Hilary busted again...

[drgnbkr]

Hillary has been reciting a story about a young pregnant woman in Ohio who sought medical care only to be turned away..supposedly because she didn't have $100 the hospital needed to treat her.. The baby died and the woman later died..and Hillary blamed it all on the fact that the young mother couldn't afford to be treated...the two died, but other than that it was all a fabrication of Hillary to make America look bad & promote her socialized medical plan, and was all untrue...the parents of the mother are incensed that Hillary would use her daughter for political gain and insist all of Hillary's points are way off base....It wasn't a matter of money, it wasn't a matter of poor treatment...it was all an inconvenient lie of tragic proportions by "her thighness"...

[Slim-Rob]

and obama recites speeches and passes them off as his own. big whoop.

[BDB]

and obama recites speeches and passes them off as his own. big whoop.

you realize that presidential candidates rarely read thier own speeches, right?

[dragonsdaddy]

and obama recites speeches and passes them off as his own. big whoop.
george washington must be rolling over in his cherrywood coffin. we have gone from, "i cannot tell a lie", to "i cannot tell the truth from a lie". i guess in the clinton household, the ends do actually justify the means.

[EagleDude73]

two el's not one

[BDB]

two el's not one

for a second there, i thought there was another one of me running around here that i didn't know about.

[Slim-Rob]

Ok, what about the whole thing with Canada? And what about his preacher? In the beginning of his campaign he was ALL ABOUT his preacher...and now...

EVERY politician lies. NO ONE is going to get us out of Iraq. Period. Its gonna be hard to fix the economy, gas prices are not going to go back down very much. Big whoop.

I think Obama is a great candidate, but I would rather have Hillary.

Also, to those who think Race has absolutely nothing to do with this election, look at the percentage of African Americans that have voted for Obama. Now tell me they ALL think he truly is a better candidate rather than the fact that he is a black man.

[jrock210]

Obama and Hillary trash each other so much McCain looks good and Nader too..

[Slim-Rob]

Honestly, if Obama gets the Nomination, the republican party is going to tear him up.

But I just think it's funny when people get all worked up over politics.

[CoveMom]

I'm giving HER a pass on this one. But not her staff. The Democratic candidates have made a science out of parading health care stories/nightmares for so many years that they hardly seem to notice when one seems a bit fishy. So it's hard to blame a stressed-out candidate (and that applies to Obama and McCain also) when this kind of crap comes up.

At least they (the campaign) dropped it asap and said they would not dispute the hospital on this one. I'd really hate to be the guy that sold them this story in the first place.

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm giving HER a pass on this one. But not her staff. The Democratic candidates have made a science out of parading health care stories/nightmares for so many years that they hardly seem to notice when one seems a bit fishy. So it's hard to blame a stressed-out candidate (and that applies to Obama and McCain also) when this kind of crap comes up.

At least they (the campaign) dropped it asap and said they would not dispute the hospital on this one. I'd really hate to be the guy that sold them this story in the first place.

you'll give the president a pass, but you'd likely roast your child for the same prevarication.. sounds fishy.

[t-long20]

Ok, what about the whole thing with Canada? And what about his preacher? In the beginning of his campaign he was ALL ABOUT his preacher...and now...

EVERY politician lies. NO ONE is going to get us out of Iraq. Period. Its gonna be hard to fix the economy, gas prices are not going to go back down very much. Big whoop.

I think Obama is a great candidate, but I would rather have Hillary.

Also, to those who think Race has absolutely nothing to do with this election, look at the percentage of African Americans that have voted for Obama. Now tell me they ALL think he truly is a better candidate rather than the fact that he is a black man.

You would rater have Hillary because shes white. If you want to play the race card lets bring up both sides.

No:Censor: African Americans are voting for him, he has a chance to make history. There wont be another black candidate for atleast another 50 years if your lucky. You dont think if Obama was Mexican the Mexicans wouldn't vote for him? Or if he was Asian the Asians wouldn't vote for him?

You can thank the republican screwups for letting a "black man" have this great of a chance at getting nominated.

Thank you republican party:notworthy without your help Obama would have no chance.

[t-long20]

Honestly, if Obama gets the Nomination, the republican party is going to tear him up.

But I just think it's funny when people get all worked up over politics.

You don't think that could happen to Hillary? Thank God this election system isn't based on what you THINK will happen. Last year if you asked anyone in america if a black man would make it this far they would laugh in your face.

I voted for obama because he is white.

[Slim-Rob]

You would rater have Hillary because shes white. If you want to play the race card lets bring up both sides.

No:Censor: African Americans are voting for him, he has a chance to make history. There wont be another black candidate in another 50 years if your lucky. You dont think if Obama was Mexican the Mexicans wouldn't vote for him? Or if he was Asian the Asians wouldn't vote for him?

You can thank the republicans for letting a "black man" have thid great a chance at getting nominated.

I'd rather have Hillary because I like Bill. I don't give a damn about her race. The only reason I brought up Obama's race is because if he was white Hillary would have already wrapped up this race and would be going against McCain already. If you think I'm the slightest bit of racist you've got me :Censor: up. And there are a lot of black candidates, he is just doing the best because has been the best one to run so far. In the future there will be more and you can bet your :Censor: I will vote for them if I feel they are the best candidate.

[t-long20]

I'd rather have Hillary because I like Bill. I don't give a damn about her race. The only reason I brought up Obama's race is because if he was white Hillary would have already wrapped up this race and would be going against McCain already. If you think I'm the slightest bit of racist you've got me :Censor: up. And there are a lot of black candidates, he is just doing the best because has been the best one to run so far. In the future there will be more and you can bet your :Censor: I will vote for them if I feel they are the best candidate.

I never said you were a racist. Like I stated before you can thank the republican screw-ups for giving a Obama such a good chance.

Im sure he appreciates the help as well.

[Slim-Rob]

You don't think that could happen to Hillary? Thank good this election system isn't based on what you THINK will happen. Last year if you asked anyone in america if a black man would make it this far they would laugh in your face.

I voted for obama because he is white.


It could happen to Hillary but there is a lot more in Obama's past that should NOT be brought up that WILL get brought up than there is in Hillary's.


Look you can turn this into a race argument but race has nothing to do with me picking Hillary. I am not going to get into a race argument with you because they never end up good. Like I said, think I'm a racist if you wish but it is not the truth.

[Slim-Rob]

double post...stupid internet. i hate you.

tlong i didn't mean to start an argument. I'm done in this thread, I hate politics.

[yankee]

You would rater have Hillary because shes white. If you want to play the race card lets bring up both sides.

No:Censor: African Americans are voting for him, he has a chance to make history. There wont be another black candidate for atleast another 50 years if your lucky. You dont think if Obama was Mexican the Mexicans wouldn't vote for him? Or if he was Asian the Asians wouldn't vote for him?

You can thank the republican screwups for letting a "black man" have this great of a chance at getting nominated.

Thank you republican party:notworthy without your help Obama would have no chance.

"i'm voting for mccain because he's white."

if i said that i'd have al sharpton all over my butt...but i guess blacks get a free pass right? oh the double standard in this country...:rolleyes:

[t-long20]

It could happen to Hillary but there is a lot more in Obama's past that should NOT be brought up that WILL get brought up than there is in Hillary's.


Look you can turn this into a race argument but race has nothing to do with me picking Hillary. I am not going to get into a race argument with you because they never end up good. Like I said, think I'm a racist if you wish but it is not the truth.

Thank you for putting words in my mouth yet again. Please point out in any of my post where I said you were a racist. Nice try. But the "feel sorry for me argument" isn' going to work.

You want to bring up race? You want to play the race card again? Oh we can bring up race alright and it won't be pretty.

[CoveMom]

you'll give the president a pass, but you'd likely roast your child for the same prevarication.. sounds fishy.

She's not president.

My child is not under constant scrutiny and having to keep tabs on literally thousands on a daily basis right now. Yes, he would not get a pass from me, but again, the health care nightmares were such a staple for so long that nobody questioned them. Thank goodness someone now does. It like the scare stories about Social Security and yet we get a President who is actually willing to do something and NO. The congress seems to need that crutch for future campaigns. I blame my own party for the failure of SS reform. They were in the majority.


I think it is absolutely shameful that this story was told (ad nauseum) but I am giving her credit for trusting the staff to get it right. Likely she won't do that in future. Which may have actually advanced this political season a step or two (baby ones) forward.

[t-long20]

double post...stupid internet. i hate you.

tlong i didn't mean to start an argument. I'm done in this thread, I hate politics.

Next time do everyone a favor and think before you post.

[t-long20]

"i'm voting for mccain because he's white."

if i said that i'd have al sharpton all over my butt...but i guess blacks get a free pass right? oh the double standard in this country...:rolleyes:

300 years of slavery,segregation,discrimination, etc. etc. Will create double standards in this country. Whether you like it or not.

Don't blame me I had no part in it.;)

If history was vice versa than there would be double standards against blacks as well. Im sorry that you don't understand that.

[yankee]

300 years of slavery,segregation,discrimination, etc. etc. Will create double standards in this country. Whether you like it or not.

Don't blame me I had no part in it.;)

If history was vice versa than there would be double standards against blacks as well. Im sorry that you don't understand that.

and something that took place 200 years ago does not hold water any more today...

is there racism today? absolutely. always will be...but pulling out the race card is holding less and less water in today's society and people try to hind behind it and it's cowardly.

[Slim-Rob]

Thank you for putting words in my mouth yet again. Please point out in any of my post where I said you were a racist. Nice try. But the "feel sorry for me argument" isn' going to work.

You want to bring up race? You want to play the race card again? Oh we can bring up race alright and it won't be pretty.


I didn't say u said I was a racist, I said don't think I'm a racist because of what I said. The race card HAS BEEN PULLED but not by me. That's all this election is. It's either the Woman, the Black Guy, or the Typical Old White Guy. It's freaking rediculous.

I don't give a damn if anyone feels sorry for me so cut it trying to say i'm pulling a "feel sorry for me argument". that's crap.

Bring up race. What you got to say? I got nothing against anyone EXCEPT the black people who have a grudge against white people because of the past. IT'S THE PAST. I have a bunch of black friends and I have absolutely no problems with them. What i have a problem with is the people who bring up slavery or discrimination as a means of justifying their actions. That's crap. Sorry for the past and what the "white man" did to black people then but when people tell me MY ancestors enslaved THEIRS, that's crap. Half my family immigrated here from Italy between WWI and WWII and the other half is Native American. (NOTE: This has nothing to do with the election or Obama I just had to vent.)

[t-long20]

and something that took place 200 years ago does not hold water any more today...

is there racism today? absolutely. always will be...but pulling out the race card is holding less and less water in today's society and people try to hind behind it and it's cowardly.

Tell that to RocketTRN, he mentioned race in his first post on here. I don't like playing th race card because it 2008. Sadly whenever Obama is brought up, race is most likely to be brought up as well. As if no one knows what race he is or as if we constantly need to be reminded. Sometimes I wonder if its really the 21st century.

[Slim-Rob]

300 years of slavery,segregation,discrimination, etc. etc. Will create double standards in this country. Whether you like it or not.

Don't blame me I had no part in it.;)

If history was vice versa than there would be double standards against blacks as well. Im sorry that you don't understand that.

Ok, how about this one. I'm Native American. My "people" were killed off, all their land stolen from them, AND they were enslaved as well. Where are my reparations? I want some land and some money. It's only fair.

Don't bring up slavery. Black people were not the first to become enslaved and they won't be the last. Let the past go, it's the past. It's tiring to hear about slavery this and slavery that.

[Slim-Rob]

Tell that to RocketTRN, he mentioned race in his first post on here. I don't like playing th race card because it 2008. Sadly whenever Obama is brought up, race is most likely to be brought up as well. As if no one knows what race he is or as if we constantly need to be reminded. Sometimes I wonder if its really the 21st century.

Yeah I played the race card :rolleyes:

Sit there at your keyboard and honestly tell me there is no coincidence in Obama receiving 90 something % of the black vote in most primaries and the color of his skin.

I don't have a problem with it though. If Obama wins the nomination, I will vote for him. Like I said, I don't give a damn if he's black or white or purple.

[t-long20]

Bring up race. What you got to say? I got nothing against anyone EXCEPT the black people who have a grudge against white people because of the past. IT'S THE PAST. What i have a problem with is the people who bring up slavery or discrimination as a means of justifying their actions. That's crap. Sorry for the past and what the "white man" did to black people then but when people tell me MY ancestors enslaved THEIRS, that's crap. Half my family immigrated here from Italy between WWI and WWII and the other half is Native American. (NOTE: This has nothing to do with the election or Obama I just had to vent.)

Thats the problem. Who constantly brings up that? Are you constantly bombarded by people who bring up the past? I highly doubt that. Nice try at trying to change the subject.

You went form black people vote for Obama because hes black to. I hate black people who hate white people for the past.:confused:

What does any of that have to do with this thread? You are trying to make up for your ignorant post and its not working. Better luck next time.

[Slim-Rob]

And BTW it was my second post, so take your own advice and "Next time do everyone a favor and think before you post."

ALSO I said, and I quote "Also, to those who think Race has absolutely nothing to do with this election, look at the percentage of African Americans that have voted for Obama. Now tell me they ALL think he truly is a better candidate rather than the fact that he is a black man."

I don't know what in that sentence offended you, but it wasn't meant to do so.

[t-long20]

Yeah I played the race card :rolleyes:

Sit there at your keyboard and honestly tell me there is no coincidence in Obama receiving 90 something % of the black vote in most primaries and the color of his skin.

I don't have a problem with it though. If Obama wins the nomination, I will vote for him. Like I said, I don't give a damn if he's black or white or purple.

I know hes receivingthe majority of the black votes. Did you skip my post about it. If he was mexican he would get 90% of their votes. If he was asian or italian he would get 90% of their votes as well. Anyone with a brain knows this thanks for stating the obvious.

But if you did have a brain you wuld know that blacks aren't the reason he is ahead of Hillary now. Guess what? Yup white people are the reason he is wining. Very poor attempt at trying to explain you senseless post. Even more reason to why the "race card" holds no weight

[Slim-Rob]

Thats the problem. Who constantly brings up that? Are you constantly bombarded by people who bring up the past? I highly doubt that. Nice try at trying to change the subject.

You went form black people vote for Obama because hes black to. I hate black people who hate white people for the past.:confused:

What does any of that have to do with this thread? You are trying to make up for your ignorant post and its not working. Better luck next time.

Better luck reading everything I write next time because at the bottom in parenthesis I said, and again I quote myself so you read it "NOTE: This has nothing to do with the election or Obama I just had to vent."

AND I do constantly hear about the past and about how slavery holds black people back. I have a friend who brings it up every chance he gets. Don't try and act like you know my life and what I live around.

[t-long20]

ALSO I said, and I quote "Also, to those who think Race has absolutely nothing to do with this election, look at the percentage of African Americans that have voted for Obama. Now tell me they ALL think he truly is a better candidate rather than the fact that he is a black man."


What is up with you in race. All the black people in america could'nt have voted for him. And quess what? He would still be wining. You obviously don't know the difference between minority and majority.

[Slim-Rob]

I know hes receivingthe majority of the black votes. Did you skip my post about it. If he was mexican he would get 90% of their votes. If he was asian or italian he would get 90% of their votes as well. Anyone with a brain knows this thanks for stating the obvious.

But if you did have a brain you wuld know that blacks aren't the reason he is ahead of Hillary now. Guess what? Yup white people are the reason he is wining. Very poor attempt at trying to explain you senseless post. Even more reason to why the "race card" holds no weight

Keep insinuating that I'm stupid and don't have a brain, it's hilarious. After reading some of the crap you've posted in the past you have absolutely no basis to call anyone slow. I did not try to say he's winning because of the black vote. I DID say that race DOES have a part in this election and IT DOES. Period. If you don't think so, look at how everyone blew up about his Preacher's words. Hmm. Was that about race? Lets see here. SO don't try and act like i'm the only person in the nation that's bringing up race in this.

[Slim-Rob]

What is up with you in race. All the black people in america could'nt have voted for him. And quess what? He would still be wining. You obviously don't know the difference between minority and majority.

I DO UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT SAYING HE IS WINNING BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. There ARE people who believe he is the better candidate. I believe he is better than McCain.

BTW it looks bad on you when you're trying to insinuate that I'm stupid when you post things like you just did. "in race....could'nt...quess what...wining...

[t-long20]

Better luck reading everything I write next time because at the bottom in parenthesis I said, and again I quote myself so you read it "NOTE: This has nothing to do with the election or Obama I just had to vent."

AND I do constantly hear about the past and about how slavery holds black people back. I have a friend who brings it up every chance he gets. Don't try and act like you know my life and what I live around.

From who? I've never heard that and im sure ive been around more black people than you. I doubt you have a friend who says that because if you did than he would be a bum who uses that excuse to not do anything in life. But ofcourse this is the interent so you can claim your superman and no one would know it.

Don't try to act like you are constantly bombareded by "black people" who complain about the past. This is 2008 if you want to get something you better work for it. Your resorting to "i have a black friend who complains about the past" argument will not worl in 2008 sorry pal. You might have to go back in time for that argument to work.

[Slim-Rob]

From who? I've never heard that and im sure ive been around more black people than you. I doubt you have a friend who says that because if you did than he would be a bum who uses that excuse to not do anything in life. But ofcourse this is the interent so you can claim your superman and no one would know it.

Don't try to act like you are constantly bombareded by "black people" who complain about the past. This is 2008 if you want to get something you better work for it. Your resorting to "i have a black friend who complains about the past" argument will not worl in 2008 sorry pal. You might have to go back in time for that argument to work.

Are you serious? "im sure ive been around more black people than you"...lmfao. That's besides the point. I am white. I DO hear that. I hear it quite often. It's an ignorant mentality of people who don't want to work to earn better things for themselves, but I hear it. Don't sit there and say I'm lying about it because this is on the internet because I would tell you the same thing to your face.

How can you say that argument "will not worl in 2008" when you JUST SAID "300 years of slavery,segregation,discrimination, etc. etc. Will create double standards in this country. Whether you like it or not."

Nice contradiction. You can't go from saying 300 years of slavery will create double standards to saying that an argument (that btw i am NOT trying to make) will not work. I am not making an argument or using that as proof in anything. I said I don't like when people use that but besides that I have no problem with any black people. I have said over and over the only problem i have is that AND that it is only a few people. And YES I've heard it.

[Slim-Rob]

btw i also did not say i am bombarded by black people who say slavery is holding them back, I said I hear it all the time (in relation to you "never" hearing that) and a lot of it is from one of my friends. His arguments never last because other friends, black white and mexican, tell him to can it.

[t-long20]

I DO UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT SAYING HE IS WINNING BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. There ARE people who believe he is the better candidate. I believe he is better than McCain.

BTW it looks bad on you when you're trying to insinuate that I'm stupid when you post things like you just did. "in race....could'nt...quess what...wining...

Thank you grammar police. I misspell words when im typing fast. Give it up, your grasping at straws.

I never thought I would see the day a "white" man actually play the race card then try to turn it back on black people saying thats the only reason people are voting for him.:confused:

But..But..But your the one is continues to bring it up. Some people will vote for McCain because hes white.Some people won't vote for Hillary because shes a girl. Everyone has there own preference forting no matter how smart or ignorant it may be. That gives you know excuse to bring up the race card everytime Obama is mentioned. In fact, you wre the first one to mention Obama in this thread.

[Slim-Rob]

Thank you grammar police. I misspell words when im typing fast. Give it up, your grasping at straws.

I never thought I would see the day a "white" man actually play the race card then try to turn it back on black people saying thats the only reason people are voting for him.:confused:

But..But..But your the one who is continues to bring it up. Some people will vote for McCain because hes white.Some people won't vote for Hillary because shes a girl. Everyone has there own preference forting no matter how smart or ignorant it may be. That gives you know excuse to bring up the race card everytime Obama is mentioned. In fact, you wre the first one to mention Obama in this thread.

And your last paragraph brings us full circle to the original thing I said RACE DOES HAVE A PART IN THIS ELECTION. I don't think it should, but it DOES. And I mentioned Obama because the thread was started about Hillary being "busted" again. Obama has been "busted" over and over again. Both of them have.

I didn't play the race card initially and it was not my intent to play it at all. But don't you dare try to say what I've lived in my life isn't real. You have no idea and if you seriously think I'm making up the fact that some people DO bring up slavery even to this day then you need help.

[t-long20]

I said I don't like when people use that but besides that I have no problem with any black people. I have said over and over the only problem i have is that AND that it is only a few people. And YES I've heard it.

Oh first you say you only have a problem with black people who complain about the past. Which happend to be highly unlikey seing how NO black person has ever lived through any of that besided segregation ofcourse. And those people would be well in there 40's or 50's. What are you doing hanging around those type of people. Im pretty sure there hatred towards white people would cause them to not have any white friends. Nice try.

[WestPlano006]

The donkey's won't win the election. Whoever wins the donkey primary will lose the supporters of the one who didn't get the nomination since they hate each other so much. Gotta love the childish play these donkey's have going on!

[t-long20]

Are you serious? "im sure ive been around more black people than you"...lmfao. That's besides the point. I am white. I DO hear that. I hear it quite often. It's an ignorant mentality of people who don't want to work to earn better things for themselves, but I hear it. Don't sit there and say I'm lying about it because this is on the internet because I would tell you the same thing to your face.

How can you say that argument "will not worl in 2008" when you JUST SAID "300 years of slavery,segregation,discrimination, etc. etc. Will create double standards in this country. Whether you like it or not."

Nice contradiction. You can't go from saying 300 years of slavery will create double standards to saying that an argument (that btw i am NOT trying to make) will not work. I am not making an argument or using that as proof in anything. I said I don't like when people use that but besides that I have no problem with any black people. I have said over and over the only problem i have is that AND that it is only a few people. And YES I've heard it.

Nope there is a double standard. I see it. Anyone can see. It was here before we were alive and it will be here after we're dead.

I never gave any excuse or advocated or supported any kind of complaining about the past. Something that you claim takes place in your life so often that it would urge you to post about it in a message board. Nice try.

[t-long20]

The donkey's won't win the election. Whoever wins the donkey primary will lose the supporters of the one who didn't get the nomination since they hate each other so much. Gotta love the childish play these donkey's have going on!

Better response than the, "Black people vote for obama" reply. Something that had nothing to do with this thread.

[Slim-Rob]

Oh first you say you only have a problem with black people who complain about the past. Which happend to be highly unlikey seing how NO black person has ever lived through any of that besided segregation ofcourse. And those people would be well in there 40's or 50's. What are you doing hanging around those type of people. Im pretty sure there hatred towards white people would cause them to not have any white friends. Nice try.

It's not a hatred of white people. And I do know a few older black people who lived through segregation and they have not problem with it. Some of the older black people I know are the nicest people i think I will ever meet in my life. They are so warm hearted and they don't let the past bother them, as it's the past. I don't know why you keep saying "nice try" because I'm not trying anything. Again, don't tell me I've never heard what I said I've heard.

What are you doing asking why I'm hanging around those kinds of people? They are my peers in some cases, and have been co-workers in the past. One of my friends says things all the time. Just because people didn't live something doesn't mean that they can't use it as a crutch. Their ancestors lived it so they take it as their own experience. So u can go ahead and stop saying I'm making it up because that is just ignorance on your part.

[t-long20]

Im done. Anybody can read this thread and clearly see whos the nutcase. You say something ignorant and your going to get called on it, thats just the way it works.

I can clearly see why you were banned before. Its all self-evident now.

[Slim-Rob]

Nope there is a double standard. I see it. Anyone can see. It was here before we were alive and it will be here after we're dead.

I never gave any excuse or advocated or supported any kind of complaining about the past. Something that you claim takes place in your life so often that it would urge you to post about it in a message board. Nice try.

I know you didn't use that excuse or advocate it but the fact that you are completely denying that it ever happens is what is so unbelievable.

[Slim-Rob]

Im done. Anybody can read this thread and clearly see whos the nutcase. You say something ignorant and your going to get called on it, thats just the way it works.

I can clearly see why you were banned before. Its all self-evident now.

Actually I got banned before because I used inappropriate language. Sorry, I've been a member since 2003/04 so that kinda busts ur "i'm a bad person and i'm stupid" bubble.

[WestPlano006]

Better response than the, "Black people vote for obama" reply. Something that had nothing to do with this thread.

My post actually has substance. It's inevitable that Obama supporters won't vote for Hillary if she wins or vice versa... I've heard a lot of people say this. Now, the question is, will there be enough of them to make an impact?

[Slim-Rob]

My post actually has substance. It's inevitable that Obama supporters won't vote for Hillary if she wins or vice versa... I've heard a lot of people say this. Now, the question is, will there be enough of them to make an impact?

My original posts had substance too, it's not my fault that he keyed on the race issue.

[t-long20]

I know you didn't use that excuse or advocate it but the fact that you are completely denying that it ever happens is what is so unbelievable.

Ofcourse it happens. But according to you it happens daily. And it happens enough for you to irrelevantly bring it up in a topic about Hillary. Please tell me what that has to do about Obama.

If I had a dime for everytime Obama was mentioned irrelevantly. I would be very wealthy. Obama is the most famous black man on earth right now.

Obama threads stay about Obama. Hillary threads get turned into Obama threads anyway. I see how it works now.

[t-long20]

My original posts had substance too, it's not my fault that he keyed on the race issue.

Really?

Also, to those who think Race has absolutely nothing to do with this election, look at the percentage of African Americans that have voted for Obama. Now tell me they ALL think he truly is a better candidate rather than the fact that he is a black man.


Also, to those who think Race has absolutely nothing to do with this election, look at the percentage of African Americans that have voted for Obama. Now tell me they ALL think he truly is a better candidate rather than the fact that he is a black man.

You just can't get enough of that race card can you?:laugh You clearly brought up race first. Something even the most logical debaters against Obama have never brought up on here. Blame his experiene, blame his name,blame his pastor or church. I dont care Ive heard it all before. But you crossed the line when you blamed his race. You must've forgot he was half white and that WHITES are the ones keeping him in the lead against hillary.That very fact leaves your race card with no weight. Nice try.

[mgkaotic]

Hilary needs to stop dividing the party up, it is true that whoever looses the nomination their followers will imo not support the winner. I know if Hilary somehow got the nomination id rather vote for Mccain than that fake arrogant broad.

[Slim-Rob]

Ofcourse it happens. But according to you it happens daily. And it happens enough for you to irrelevantly bring it up in a topic about Hillary. Please tell me what that has to do about Obama.

If I had a dime for everytime Obama was mentioned irrelevantly. I would be very wealthy. Obama is the most famous black man on earth right now.

Obama threads stay about Obama. Hillary threads get turned into Obama threads anyway. I see how it works now.

How is it that my mentioning of Obama originally was irrelevant? I brought up Obama in defense of Hillary. Completely relevant as they are running against one another right now.

Again, I did say "NOTE: This has nothing to do with the election or Obama I just had to vent."I NEVER said it happened daily. Quote it. Like you said, don't put words in my mouth.

So YOU connected it to being about Obama. YOU are the one who originally said I liked Hillary because she is white. Did I say you like Obama because he is black? No. Check yourself.

[Slim-Rob]

Really?



You just can't get enough of that race card can you?:laugh You clearly brought up race first. Something even the most logical debaters against Obama have never brought up on here. Blame his experiene, blame his name,blame his pastor or church. I dont care Ive heard it all before. But you crossed the line when you blamed his race. You must've forgot he was half white and that WHITES are the ones keeping him in the lead against hillary.That very fact leaves your race card with no weight. Nice try.

What the hell did i BLAME? I mentioned that because I always hear people say race has nothing to do about anything in this election and it quite obviously does. I have also stated multiple times that there are many many sensible people who vote for Obama because he is the better candidate in their mind, white black or hispanic.

And BTW i said my original posts. That was the END of my original first two posts. Race was not mentioned until there. BUT you decided to argue with me about race. Then I mentioned (which, in hindsight, I shouldn't have) that I don't like when people bring up race as a crutch. I did, however, state that had nothing to do with the election or Obama.

[Slim-Rob]

Hilary needs to stop dividing the party up, it is true that whoever looses the nomination their followers will imo not support the winner. I know if Hilary somehow got the nomination id rather vote for Mccain than that fake arrogant broad.

They both do. More her though, yes. Either way I don't think either of them has a chance to win this election. McCain is going to win but it's not because of anything but the fact that Obama and Clinton are screwing themselves over.

[Pearland 06]

Obama will win more republican votes than the witch. Anybody that thinks otherwise is foolish.

[jc84chill]

Okay people...let's try continuing the discussion without going back and forth repeating the same thing over and over for pages...agree to disagree.

[CoveMom]

I heard a teaser on the news this morning (MSNBC-Morning Joe) that the FAMILY of the woman in the story is now disputing the hospital's claim.

Stay tuned.....

[HebronHawk]

I'm giving HER a pass on this one. But not her staff. The Democratic candidates have made a science out of parading health care stories/nightmares for so many years that they hardly seem to notice when one seems a bit fishy. So it's hard to blame a stressed-out candidate (and that applies to Obama and McCain also) when this kind of crap comes up.

At least they (the campaign) dropped it asap and said they would not dispute the hospital on this one. I'd really hate to be the guy that sold them this story in the first place.

Honestly, do you think Hillary is not a congenital liar. There's certainly enough examples like Bosnia. What ever happened to demanding integrity in our Presidents?

The voters will get what they deserve. George Washington would probably want to start over on this campaign.

[HebronHawk]

You don't think that could happen to Hillary? Thank God this election system isn't based on what you THINK will happen. Last year if you asked anyone in america if a black man would make it this far they would laugh in your face.

I voted for obama because he is white.

So's McCain. But he's not a democrat, so he can't get your vote.

[HebronHawk]

I didn't say u said I was a racist, I said don't think I'm a racist because of what I said. The race card HAS BEEN PULLED but not by me. That's all this election is. It's either the Woman, the Black Guy, or the Typical Old White Guy. It's freaking rediculous.

I don't give a damn if anyone feels sorry for me so cut it trying to say i'm pulling a "feel sorry for me argument". that's crap.

Bring up race. What you got to say? I got nothing against anyone EXCEPT the black people who have a grudge against white people because of the past. IT'S THE PAST. I have a bunch of black friends and I have absolutely no problems with them. What i have a problem with is the people who bring up slavery or discrimination as a means of justifying their actions. That's crap. Sorry for the past and what the "white man" did to black people then but when people tell me MY ancestors enslaved THEIRS, that's crap. Half my family immigrated here from Italy between WWI and WWII and the other half is Native American. (NOTE: This has nothing to do with the election or Obama I just had to vent.)

If you go back in history, slavery and war have been close bed fellows. For example, the Romans enslaved many that they conquered without regards to race.

I suspect that there are slaves working in Communist China and some African countries even today.

Why do African American's feel unique in all human history for suffering through the approx. 85 year period that the United States allowed slavery in a portion of the country?

[AE 8008]

Obama and Hillary trash each other so much McCain looks good and Nader too..



Darth Nader is going to surprise alot of people come years end

[JMSFan]

If you go back in history, slavery and war have been close bed fellows. For example, the Romans enslaved many that they conquered without regards to race.

I suspect that there are slaves working in Communist China and some African countries even today.

Why do African American's feel unique in all human history for suffering through the approx. 85 year period that the United States allowed slavery in a portion of the country?

The last question is a good one, and I have asked the same many times.

[mojotrain]

Obama will win more republican votes than the witch. Anybody that thinks otherwise is foolish.

Nope! You will never see a republican vote for anyone as liberal left as Obama. If you can find out the difference between Conserative,which McCain just barely meets minium requirements and a liberal, which Obama is then you will revisit your comment and LOL.

[drgnbkr]

Nope! You will never see a republican vote for anyone as liberal left as Obama. If you can find out the difference between Conserative,which McCain just barely meets minium requirements and a liberal, which Obama is then you will revisit your comment and LOL.

I agree, Obama won't get much from the conservative side....The undecideds and independents are in play, but when they really pay attention to how far left he is, they will run.