SLC vs ET poll

[Eagle Hombre]

I Southlake Carroll goes D1 and plays Euless Trinity in the first round, who wins to play another week?

[bleedgreen]

Lobos, baby!!! i thought you knew????

[GTown80]

It would be a good game but I think it would be a shame also that these two teams would have to face each other in the first round. Unfortunately, that's the breaks of Div I or Div II designations I suppose. Just seems a match-up like that should be played later in the rounds. Although I think "the machine" (SLC) would handle them, it just isn't right for one of them to got out in the first round. Just my opinion.

[taco_bockley]

i think that et will win but it will be close I don't think this is slc year to win if
the winner out of that game in my opinion will win state

[Eagle Hombre]

I think it would be a shame that these two teams would have to face each other in the first round. Unfortunately, that's the breaks of Div I or Div II designations, I guess. Just seems a match-up like that should be played later in the rounds. Although I think "the machine" (SLC) would handled them, it just isn't right for one of them to got out in the first round. Just my opinion.

I agree - I hope we go to some sort of Superbracket next year, when they allow 4 teams from each district. This would take of the conjecture that comes up every year as to who the true 5A champ is. We need to put all the 5As into a single bracket and be done with it. :D

[taco_bockley]

super bracket?

[GTown80]

I don't know much about the size of schools in districts 5 and 6 or where they are in the standings, but are there any scenarios whereby SLC and ET wouldn't play each other in round one? KT, maybe you have some stats.

[drgnbkr]

I don't know much about the size of schools in districts 5 and 6 or where they are in the standings, but are there any scenarios whereby SLC and ET wouldn't play each other in round one? KT, maybe you have some stats.

If they are both D-1 that is the bi-district match-up for the first game.

[GTown80]

If they are both D-1 that is the bi-district match-up for the first game.

True, but if a bigger school in either district made the playoffs, wouldn't that bump SLC or ET to Div-II?

[drgnbkr]

True, but if a bigger school in either district made the playoffs, wouldn't that bump SLC or ET to Div-II?

Sure, thats why I said if they are both D-1....Trinity is D-1 for sure & it's looking more likely that Carroll will be also..we'll know more after this weekend.

[GTown80]

Sure, thats why I said if they are both D-1....Trinity is D-1 for sure & it's looking more likely that Carroll will be also..we'll know more after this weekend.

I realize that if they are both Div-I they will see each other in the first round. I just don't follow either district enough to know if a larger school has a chance to bump one or the other down. Like you said, we'll know more after this weekend. Thanks for the input!

[BigFoot]

I don't know much about the size of schools in districts 5 and 6 or where they are in the standings, but are there any scenarios whereby SLC and ET wouldn't play each other in round one? KT, maybe you have some stats.
Trinity is the largest school in the district (not by many maybe 10 but still the largest) SGP is next I think.

[dragons08]

SLC wins this IMO

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I think it will be a high scoring game, honestly!!

Southlake Carroll 49
Euless Trinity 35

No knock on the defenses, but these are two of the 5 best offenses in the state, yet their defenses are good, but not great!

[Garland02]

It would be a good game but I think it would be a shame also that these two teams would have to face each other in the first round. Unfortunately, that's the breaks of Div I or Div II designations I suppose. Just seems a match-up like that should be played later in the rounds. Although I think "the machine" (SLC) would handle them, it just isn't right for one of them to got out in the first round. Just my opinion.


I have no sympathy for either team, having to play each other that early. Thats how I always felt about Garland having to play Lufkin and Longview so early, so often. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best, whenever its time. I want to see this matchup more than any other game in the state this year. I think either team has the tools to win, if they play their game and don't make mistakes.

The only prediction I will make about this game with any certainty, is that my butt will be in the stands for this one regardless of where and when they play it. I will be disappointed if this game doesn't fall into place.

[Redneckn]

I go with ET on this one.. I don't think SLC can handle all the pressure their fans are putting on them.

[dragonfootballfan]

I go with ET on this one.. I don't think SLC can handle all the pressure their fans are putting on them.
my vote for dumbest post ever

[TrojanHorse03]

On the contrary as they say heavy is the head that wears the crown.

[dragonfootballfan]

On the contrary as they say heavy is the head that wears the crown.
To say someone will lose because someone's fans puts pressure on them is ludicrous. Last year they had much more pressure than this year and they did not fail. The Trojans are the ones with pressure, I mean afterall they are still searching for their first championship right? I mean I think that the Trojans are used to getting knocked of the playoffs in the first round by Lamar all those times. It will just be business as usual for the Trojans and the Dragons

[dragonbuck]

On the contrary as they say heavy is the head that wears the crown.

You forgot the 2nd part to that quote:
"Strong is the neck that supports that heavy head that supports all those crowns!" Not to mention the hand that supports all those rings!

[Redneckn]

my vote for dumbest post ever


Well, I guess your opinion is proof that no matter how free we are to have an opinion, that doesn't keep some of us (you) from having a stupid one...

[dragonfootballfan]

Well, I guess your opinion is proof that no matter how free we are to have an opinion, that doesn't keep some of us (you) from having a stupid one...
explain to me how pressure that fans put on the players will cause the team to lose. explain to me how this year they have more pressure on them than last year.

[Redneckn]

explain to me how pressure that fans put on the players will cause the team to lose. explain to me how this year they have more pressure on them than last year.

I don't know much about last year.. I didn't even know who SLC was until I got to Texas back in March.
I just think that there can be an enormous amount of pressure to win put on a team by it's fan base and it can have an adverse effect. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be nutty about your team. I'm nutty for ECA even though they were spoon fed their arses by Longview..TexasHigh, and Springdale.
I just think that maybe the SLC fans put a lot of pressure on the team to win. In my own opinion (and I am a practicing psychologist. I practice all the time) when everybody is saying "win win win" kids can crack under the pressure. I'm not saying that SLC will crumble like that.. I'm just saying that it would fit and be understandable.. I'm trying to give your guys a way out here for when they lose..and you're being difficult. :)

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't know much about last year.. I didn't even know who SLC was until I got to Texas back in March.
I just think that there can be an enormous amount of pressure to win put on a team by it's fan base and it can have an adverse effect. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be nutty about your team. I'm nutty for ECA even though they were spoon fed their arses by Longview..TexasHigh, and Springdale.
I just think that maybe the SLC fans put a lot of pressure on the team to win. In my own opinion (and I am a practicing psychologist. I practice all the time) when everybody is saying "win win win" kids can crack under the pressure. I'm not saying that SLC will crumble like that.. I'm just saying that it would fit and be understandable.. I'm trying to give your guys a way out here for when they lose..and you're being difficult. :)
saying the way the reason that SLC will lose is because of fan induced pressure tells me that you are fishing for a reason to say that Carroll will lose. You cannot find another weakness but still want to root for the underdog. How many Carroll fans do you actually know? How many of them put that type of pressure on the players?

[Redneckn]

saying the way the reason that SLC will lose is because of fan induced pressure tells me that you are fishing for a reason to say that Carroll will lose. You cannot find another weakness but still want to root for the underdog. How many Carroll fans do you actually know? How many of them put that type of pressure on the players?


I met a SLC fan..Once.. In a gas station. We both said "hi" to each other and I knew then that y'all put too much pressure on your team.. kidding.. Read some of the posts around here from the SLC people.. No so much recently though..And not as bad as the Longview crowd can be at times...
I saw the SLC/Lufkin game from last year on tape and the SLC/DR game from this year on tape.. I think this years team is not as strong as last.. And I think SLC can lose it this year... That dont mean they will, that just means that it is more possible this year than last. And you're are kind of right that I am rooting for the underdog. I'm not fishing for a reason though. I think, based on what I've read here and at another site, that the SLC fanbase might possibly put too much pressure on the team to win.
I still think that currently, SLC is the best team in Texas.. But I just get the feeling that that may not be the case come playoff time...

[dragonfootballfan]

I met a SLC fan..Once.. In a gas station. We both said "hi" to each other and I knew then that y'all put too much pressure on your team.. kidding.. Read some of the posts around here from the SLC people.. No so much recently though..And not as bad as the Longview crowd can be at times...
I saw the SLC/Lufkin game from last year on tape and the SLC/DR game from this year on tape.. I think this years team is not as strong as last.. And I think SLC can lose it this year... That dont mean they will, that just means that it is more possible this year than last. And you're are kind of right that I am rooting for the underdog. I'm not fishing for a reason though. I think, based on what I've read here and at another site, that the SLC fanbase might possibly put too much pressure on the team to win.
I still think that currently, SLC is the best team in Texas.. But I just get the feeling that that may not be the case come playoff time...
I have read most of the posts here and on other sites and they are different from what most fans seem to hope for. The goals at the beginning of every season for the team are to win a district championship and to practice football on Thanksgiving morning. They have not changed since Dodge got there and most of the fans realize this. Many on the message boards may say one thing there and are totally different when talking to players and other fans.

[Redneckn]

I have read most of the posts here and on other sites and they are different from what most fans seem to hope for. The goals at the beginning of every season for the team are to win a district championship and to practice football on Thanksgiving morning. They have not changed since Dodge got there and most of the fans realize this. Many on the message boards may say one thing there and are totally different when talking to players and other fans.


That may very well be. I'm just tossing out the possibility, that's all.

Thanksgiving morning? Any morning? That's impressive.. Insane.. But impressive nonetheless. I really can't wait to see SLC in person..
I still think ET would win though... :D

[DragonWatcher]

saying the way the reason that SLC will lose is because of fan induced pressure tells me that you are fishing for a reason to say that Carroll will lose. You cannot find another weakness but still want to root for the underdog. How many Carroll fans do you actually know? How many of them put that type of pressure on the players?

You'd be surprised dragonfootballfan, I can attest that there is a lot of pressure on you as an athlete at SLC, however the coaches do a great job of keeping it under the radar, playing one game at a time. Yes there is pressure but I don't think it will get to any of the SLC football players as long as the current coaching staff is at Carroll.

[Dds115]

Thanksgiving morning? Any morning? That's impressive.. Insane.. But impressive nonetheless. I really can't wait to see SLC in person..
I still think ET would win though... :D

I think it's a really cool goal, it is set every year. They want to be practicing over thanksgiving day (in other words, still be in the playoffs) but they don't put it that way.

[dragonsdaddy]

thanksgiving day is exactly how it is worded. there are no further pre-stated goals after that. the rest of the season is one day at a time.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Trinity would win some how. It will be one heck of a game though.

[bugw09]

Trinity 42 Southlake Carroll 38

Poor vs. The Rich

It's Trinity's turn. Plus y'all have a weak running game(dont say Tre Newton is good because he's got awhile to go) and as you saw from Texas Tech, it's hard to score in the Red Zone when you have no running game. Just my opinion.

I know about to get blasted from the Southlake Cult but while I have you folks I was wondering, can you be a fan or live in Southlake for that matter without the Green Dragon sticker? :D

[dragonfootballfan]

can you be a fan or live in Southlake for that matter without the Green Dragon sticker? :D
I don't have one, but I think I should get one because if you get one the cops don't bother you as much.

[drgnbkr]

Trinity 42 Southlake Carroll 38

Poor vs. The Rich


I know about to get blasted from the Southlake Cult but while I have you folks I was wondering, can you be a fan or live in Southlake for that matter without the Green Dragon sticker? :D

Now why would we blast such an ill informed opinion?...... :D

[ktCarl]

I have to go with SLC since they are defending champs and ET is looking for their first championship. It really all boils down to who executes the best. I would like to see the game if it happens but it's a fer piece from Katy.

[SLCDRGN]

This game will be a barnburner for the first half. SLC will takeover in the second half and put it away. The score you ask:

SLC 63
ET 21

SLC has been there and knows what it is all about. This will be a great learning experience for ET and should help them build for the future.

ET will be bigger/stronger but the SLC speed & quickness will wear those big boys down & out!! The ET beef will be sucking eggs in the second half and SLC will light-up the scoreboard!!

This game MUST happen!!!!!

[SLCDad]

As of this moment, the poll is SLC 34, Trinity 30. That's probably as close as the game would be.

[toonman]

Trinity 42 Southlake Carroll 38

Poor vs. The Rich

It's Trinity's turn. Plus y'all have a weak running game(dont say Tre Newton is good because he's got awhile to go) and as you saw from Texas Tech, it's hard to score in the Red Zone when you have no running game. Just my opinion.

I know about to get blasted from the Southlake Cult but while I have you folks I was wondering, can you be a fan or live in Southlake for that matter without the Green Dragon sticker? :D

From what I have read and seen Southlake scores most of their touchdowns from outside the Red Zone. This squashes your theory about no running back for the Red Zone.

[farmerfan]

This game will be a barnburner for the first half. SLC will takeover in the second half and put it away. The score you ask:

SLC 63
ET 21

SLC has been there and knows what it is all about. This will be a great learning experience for ET and should help them build for the future.

ET will be bigger/stronger but the SLC speed & quickness will wear those big boys down & out!! The ET beef will be sucking eggs in the second half and SLC will light-up the scoreboard!!

This game MUST happen!!!!!

I dont think anyone in the country would beat Trinity by 42 points and the same goes for Carroll.
How will this be a great learning experience for Trinity? They were state semifinalist in 2001 and 2004, they have been in big games for quite some time. Also, Trinity does not need to build for the future, great programs such as Trinity and Carroll are they type of programs who dont reBUILD they reload.
Trinity has some speed as well, yes they are big up front, but their defensive backfield and LB corps are very quick and hard hitting football players. They are a lot like Southlake in that the defense gets overlooked by the impressive numbers the offense puts up. If you think Trinity lacks in the speed department then you have another thing coming.
This is a dream matchup for us fans, and one that keeps getting closer, with all the hype surrounding a game that is not set in stone, I hope that we can have it. If not, then it will be a whole offseason of why one team would beat the other.

[gritty52]

If they think that Trinity will only score 21 points against this defense they know less than I thought they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

If they think that Trinity will only score 21 points against this defense they know less than I thought they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if you think that Trinity will score more than Carroll then know less than I thought

[farmerfan]

If they think that Trinity will only score 21 points against this defense they know less than I thought they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think 99% of Carroll fans would say Trinity would score more than 21pts, I think they would also say a 42 pt win would be a bit of a exageration. But like most Trinity fans, they believe in their team if this game were to take place. The veteran dragon poster's on this board would not predict such a score, I think most knowledgeable dragon fan's think if this game were to take place then it would be a very tight football game, of course they will tell you Carroll would pull it out, and going on recent history, that would be hard to argue against.
I wont say who I think will win, I will wait till this game is certain to take place, if it does not happen, then it would be pointless banter.

[c-lisle]

my heart says ET but my head says SLC

[zippy]

I have seen SLC play once in person, and once on TV. I have seen Trinity only once live. If I had to place a wager on this game, I would go with Trinity. Either way, I am going to miss SV play that week (if they are playing) to watch this game. Trinity 35 SLC 31

[zippy]

SLC is putting up these type points against the pop-warner teams they play in district, they wont against a great team like Trinity...


This game will be a barnburner for the first half. SLC will takeover in the second half and put it away. The score you ask:

SLC 63
ET 21

SLC has been there and knows what it is all about. This will be a great learning experience for ET and should help them build for the future.

ET will be bigger/stronger but the SLC speed & quickness will wear those big boys down & out!! The ET beef will be sucking eggs in the second half and SLC will light-up the scoreboard!!

This game MUST happen!!!!!

[c-lisle]

I have seen SLC play once in person, and once on TV. I have seen Trinity only once live. If I had to place a wager on this game, I would go with Trinity. Either way, I am going to miss SV play that week (if they are playing) to watch this game. Trinity 35 SLC 31


It will be very good game no doubt. I am going to try and squeeze this game in with Lview's game if it happens. I think SLC is more beatable this year. Mcelroy is very good but isn't Daniels and Newton is good but not near what Luna was. They will pass on everyone but the run game can be slowed more since they don't have two 4.0 speedsters in the backfield. I just think a good run defense can make them one dimensional.

[bugw09]

From what I have read and seen Southlake scores most of their touchdowns from outside the Red Zone. This squashes your theory about no running back for the Red Zone.


In the event of a matchup with SLC I thought it a good idea to have some statistical comparisons, to gain an objective of how a matchup against them might go. They are an awsome "glitzy" offense, and their defense may be the best we see this year. But enough rambling here are just a few numbers I've compiled for objective analysis

Trinity rushing offense: 38-345yds per game @9.20yds per carry
SLC rushing offense: 33-234yds per game @7.01yds per carry

Trinity passing offense: 146.43 yds per game @30.06yds per completion
SLC passing offense: 302.57 yds per game @16.78yds per completion

Tri - passing effeciency: 5 - 8.8 - 0.3 @ 60.2%
Slc- passing effeciency: 19.4 - 30.0 - 0.6 @ 64.0%

Tri - yds/game - 492
Slc - yds/game - 537

****Defense****

Tri Rush D/game allows - 36 - 148 @ 3.95yds/carry
Slc Rush D/game allows - 30 - 115 @ 3.61yds/carry

Tri pass D/game allows - 116.6 @13.9 yds/catch
Slc pass D/game allows - 148.0 @9.5 yds/catch

Tri pass D/allows - 10 - 18.6 - 0.6 @ 51%
Slc pass D/allows - 16 - 30.9 - 0.7 @ 49%

Tri D allows/game - 264yds
Slc D allows/game - 263yds


*note* SLC averages 12 offensive possessions a game, whereas Trinity only 9. A running team in a running conference will have less clock stopages during the run of play thus effectively shortening the game considerably, with that in mind our offense looks alot more imposing and perhaps a little more edge has been added to thier defense

*why I think the Trojans have a chance to win:

SLC has had 85 offensive possesions in 7 games this year
Tri has had 64 offensive possesions in 7 games this year

SLC has scored on only 55 of those 85 series for a scoring eff. of 65%
and only 47 of those scores were touchdowns for a TouchDown eff. of 55%

TRI has scored(TRI doesn't kick field goals) 51 times out of 64 possessions for a TouchDown eff. of 80%
TRI starters are an amazing 49 out of 55 for a mindboggling 91%. Throw in the fact that Lineweaver calls the dogs off on average a quarter earlier than Dodge at SLC, the stats look even more impressive
ofcourse you could make the same argument that SLC starters have a higher efficiency% but when you look at their boxscores, they often get of to late starts and thier backups are equally effecient with their opportunities.

To win...SLC would have to play their perfect game and hope to get a few stops. Number of points scored and offensive yards per game are irrelevant because Trinity scores on just about every possession. So What does matter is that you keep up with the Trojans by scoring on every possession as well, tough to do when your scoring average has been around the 40% at times against decent defenses like Plano East and Denton Ryan, luckily in those games the SLC defense was able to shut down the opposing offense,(Neither team has been overwhelming on offense), but I don't think that will happen against the Trojans offense.

Tri would just have to do what they always do...take care of the ball, and continue to score, this offense has been unstoppable, quick strike offense...is impressive, but when your batting average is lower, when are you gonna catch up?

Of course the only thing that matters is what transpires during any one individual game but I'd bet the farm our boys are at a statistical advantage

For Trinity to win... make a few stops...keep them from making big plays...play soft in coverage and let them catch underneath, Like Joey Florence did in last years playoffs (unfortunately for him he didn't have the offense to compliment that stategy like the Trojans have) Make Carroll score from inside the red-zone instead of big plays, classic bend don't break D between the 20's ... and with less vertical field for them to play with, they'll experience the Spreads inbuilt weakness, scoring once inside the 20 yard line, our boys will have less field to defend and chances are they'll kick a few field goals...

So while thier kicking FG ...we will be scoring touchdowns...Edge to Trinity

Ofcourse maybe SLC defense offers something we haven't seen...unlikely... But I don't think that Trinity is at any sort of disadvantage here.

[dragonfootballfan]

So while thier kicking FG ...we will be scoring touchdowns...Edge to Trinity


not being able to kick a field goal is a bad thing, not a good thing. So while Carroll is kicking field goals, Trinity will be turning the ball over on downs

[RidgePride]

Sure, thats why I said if they are both D-1....Trinity is D-1 for sure & it's looking more likely that Carroll will be also..we'll know more after this weekend.
this weekend will not tell much at all unless a huge upset (GV over SLC or Richland over Ridge). It will come down to the last games.

[bugw09]

not being able to kick a field goal is a bad thing, not a good thing. So while Carroll is kicking field goals, Trinity will be turning the ball over on downs

Don't count on that. We don't turn over the ball very much. And you missed the point. The point is...Trinity, because it relies on running the ball will control the clock and in result, the game. This is only my opinion, I think it could really go either way but from a statistical vantage point, Trinity seems to have the intangibles to win the game. But good luck to yall. I just wish we didn't have to play each other so early. The game is going to a madhouse/packedhouse. I have heard that they are expecting 40,000-50,000. FOR A HIGH SCHOOL GAME, WOW!!

[RidgePride]

my heart says ET but my head says SLC
ET can win because they have a style like Katy.
SLC should win because they have the better team.

[dragonfootballfan]

Don't count on that. We don't turn over the ball very much. And you missed the point. The point is...Trinity, because it relies on running the ball will control the clock and in result, the game. This is only my opinion, I think it could really go either way but from a statistical vantage point, Trinity seems to have the intangibles to win the game. But good luck to yall. I just wish we didn't have to play each other so early. The game is going to a madhouse/packedhouse. I have heard that they are expecting 40,000-50,000. FOR A HIGH SCHOOL GAME, WOW!!
Trinity has the intangibles? When is the last time Trinity won a championship? Carroll has all the intangibles. They have been in bigger games before and won them. They have faced better teams before and beat them. Carroll has played in front of big crowds before and won those games. Can you explain to me why Trinity has the intangibles even though Carroll has had one of the greatest 3 and a half year runs in all of high school football?

[DragonFan]

This game in particular should destroy the old "Big School/Small School" debate once and for all. The fact that SLC, who is the 4 largest school in its district has a chance to represent the district in the "Big School" division is a joke. The schools with the largest population and therefore the "advantage" are not making the playoffs.

When SLC surgucally removes the "0" from Trinities loss colume, then one of the smallest schools in then 5A ranks and probbally the smallest in the Div 1 Ranks would have defeated one of the largest. It will prove once and for all that school population is a bogus reason to seperate teams. So contrary to popular belief Size does not matter ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

This game in particular should destroy the old "Big School/Small School" debate once and for all. The fact that SLC, who is the 4 largest school in its district has a chance to represent the district in the "Big School" division is a joke. The schools with the largest population and therefore the "advantage" are not making the playoffs.

When SLC surgucally removes the "0" from Trinities loss colume, then one of the smallest schools in then 5A ranks and probbally the smallest in the Div 1 Ranks would have defeated one of the largest. It will prove once and for all that school population is a bogus reason to seperate teams. So contrary to popular belief Size does not matter ;)
What if Carroll wins the Division 1 championship and ends up smaller than the division 2 winner. That would really expose some inequities in the system

[lonny24]

ET is to physical!

[DragonFan]

ET is physical but so is SLC.

People do not realize just how physical they are. The Offense Line for SLC does a great job of nutralizing the Defensive line, and I would rate the SLC defensive line as one of the best units in Texas. The Line play at SLC is the key to the Dragons succuss. Do not think it is only because of the "skill" players. WR's do not mean a thing if the QB cannot Throw. A RB will become mortal if there are no lanes to run through. The one game that the SLC lines have not won the war of the trenches was against Katy. That loss tought the Dragons to never lose the war on the line. And since that time, they never have.

[SLCDad]

This game in particular should destroy the old "Big School/Small School" debate once and for all. The fact that SLC, who is the 4 largest school in its district has a chance to represent the district in the "Big School" division is a joke. The schools with the largest population and therefore the "advantage" are not making the playoffs.

When SLC surgucally removes the "0" from Trinities loss colume, then one of the smallest schools in then 5A ranks and probbally the smallest in the Div 1 Ranks would have defeated one of the largest. It will prove once and for all that school population is a bogus reason to seperate teams. So contrary to popular belief Size does not matter ;)SLC had 2,213 students at the time of the last re-alignment and Trinity had 2,926. Trinity is 32% larger.

SLC is the 5th largest school in 5-5A and Trinity is the largest school in 6-5A. Coppell, GP, and SGP are all almost as big as Trinity.

Trinity is not anywhere close to being the largest in 5A. There are a few schools that have over 4,500 or more.

[dragonsdaddy]

as far as the d-1 rep being smaller than the d-2, i bet it has happened and the first instance would have been when plano won in 94. they were 3rd in district i think and pesh went d-1. i'm not sure of this but i believe plano won a d-2 title, and were almost certainly bigger than the d-1 rep.

[BigFoot]

SLC had 2,213 students at the time of the last re-alignment and Trinity had 2,926. Trinity is 32% larger.

SLC is the 5th largest school in 5-5A and Trinity is the largest school in 6-5A. Coppell, GP, and SGP are all almost as big as Trinity.

Trinity is not anywhere close to being the largest in 5A. There are a few schools that have over 4,500 or more.
You are sooo right. Check out the size of all three Plano schools and Allen.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

When D1 and D2 gets figured out and this this game does take place I will be there. I saw the SLC players and parents after their loss to Katy, both held their heads high. I saw them again after their win over Lufkin and they were humble and gracious. They are a class organization same as Katy. I sure the E.T. program demonstrates the same principals. We don't get to have the type programs we have without demonstrating principals. It's not all about football and I think that's why you see the same teams on top year after year. When ever you see interviews with coach Outlaw, Dodge, Johnson, and Joseph, you see what I'm talking about. Everyone knows how to play the game some better than others, but without character and principals they don't get to the top. Agree or disagree? No prediction on this one just what highschool football is all about.

[BigFoot]

When D1 and D2 gets figured out and this this game does take place I will be there. I saw the SLC players and parents after their loss to Katy, both held their heads high. I saw them again after their win over Lufkin and they were humble and gracious. They are a class organization same as Katy. I sure the E.T. program demonstrates the same principals. We don't get to have the type programs we have without demonstrating principals. It's not all about football and I think that's why you see the same teams on top year after year. When ever you see interviews with coach Outlaw, Dodge, Johnson, and Joseph, you see what I'm talking about. Everyone knows how to play the game some better than others, but without character and principals they don't get to the top. Agree or disagree? No prediction on this one just what highschool football is all about.
Good post and those character traits and principles are really what adults should care about the most. Arguing over who will win is fruitless. Each team and their fans believe in that team as it should be. Being the champion the year before is exactly that..history. It doesn't mean you automatically repeat but certainly doesn't rule it out either. I am proud of Trinity and SLC fans are proud of their team. Let's just let the game be on the charts first then let the guys play and in winning be humble and in losing be gracious. Great things for life...to learn those traits.

[Sloth]

The fun thing about all of these ET and SLC threads is the fact that there is very strong possibility we are wasting our time talking about it. After all if you analyze the the games remaining in 5-5a there is a very good possibilty that GV will not get in thus all arguments are a mute point.

[dragonfootballfan]

The fun thing about all of these ET and SLC threads is the fact that there is very strong possibility we are wasting our time talking about it. After all if you analyze the the games remaining in 5-5a there is a very good possibilty that GV will not get in thus all arguments are a mute point.
no it is not all for loss. What if the scenario you laid out comes true and then both teams go on to win state in their respective division? Then this debate starts up again and gets even more heated

[bugw09]

Trinity has the intangibles? When is the last time Trinity won a championship? Carroll has all the intangibles. They have been in bigger games before and won them. They have faced better teams before and beat them. Carroll has played in front of big crowds before and won those games. Can you explain to me why Trinity has the intangibles even though Carroll has had one of the greatest 3 and a half year runs in all of high school football?

Mark it down. Trinity is the best team Carroll has faced in the last two years. Some of you Carroll fans need to take off your Green-tinted glasses and realize that you're an amazing team but not invincible. Both Trinity and Carroll are really good. To say that without a doubt "trinity will have a '1' in the loss column' is just ignorant. Either team could win. Each fan is going to think their own team will win but don't be the stereotypical southlake person and act all holier than thou, yall are definitely beatable.

[dragonfootballfan]

Mark it down. Trinity is the best team Carroll has faced in the last two years. Some of you Carroll fans need to take off your Green-tinted glasses and realize that you're an amazing team but not invincible. Both Trinity and Carroll are really good. To say that without a doubt "trinity will have a '1' in the loss column' is just ignorant. Either team could win. Each fan is going to think their own team will win but don't be the stereotypical southlake person and act all holier than thou, yall are definitely beatable.
Answer my question. I asked how Trinity has more intangibles than Carroll. You then tell me the every friday night.... stuff that has been said everytime somebody plays Carroll. Just explain to me how Trinity has more intangibles than Carroll. You continue to make blanket statements on stuff that you know nothing about like saying the 2004 Lufkin Defense was not good.

[stinger]

IF the SUPERGAME does not happen...then the debate will go on. It is fun to discuss the possibility of the game. Bot teams have good reason to believe in themselves.

[SLCDRGN]

If this game does not happen, there will be a lot of sick people around the state. What a game for the first round.........at least for the first half!!

Carroll rolls in the second half!! Lightning speed & quickness will wear the beef out........They will be sucking eggs in the second!!

[Sloth]

If this game does not happen, there will be a lot of sick people around the state. What a game for the first round.........at least for the first half!!

Carroll rolls in the second half!! Lightning speed & quickness will wear the beef out........They will be sucking eggs in the second!!
Do not underestimate Trinitys speed at the skill positions. Or the ability for beef to wear down lightning fast quickness. Kind of like UT/Tech. Though I do think SLC is better than tech.

[ALLIN]

SLC does not think they are invincible. They learned their lesson in 03. If SLC does lose it will not be because of arrogance or them beating themselves.

[trinity05]

im willing to bet that trinity is faster than slc in every aspect except for the receivers and linebackers.....Trust me when i say this trinity is very quick for their size on the d-line and the corners are very fast....if this match up does happen keep an eye out on the freshman that plays corner for trinity

[bugw09]

Answer my question. I asked how Trinity has more intangibles than Carroll. You then tell me the every friday night.... stuff that has been said everytime somebody plays Carroll. Just explain to me how Trinity has more intangibles than Carroll. You continue to make blanket statements on stuff that you know nothing about like saying the 2004 Lufkin Defense was not good.


What intagibles do you need? Maybe the fact that our team went to the state semi-finals last year. Ok, it's nowhere yalls playoff record but one thing we have is experience with the players, our backfield are all returing starters. You have nobody in your backfield that started last year and 2-3 receivers I think. Next, Trinity's district is tougher than Carroll. Our kicking game has gotten better since the beginning of the season. OK, maybe we don't have a freak ELF that goes out there and kicks 50 yard field goals but our kicking game doesn't need to be any better than extra points because scoring TD's will all that we will be doing. Ok, next intangible SIZE, no need to discuss that. Speed, toss up, we'll see in the game. We are the underdog, another intangible we own.

Lets overview Playoff Experience: Trinity, we have more returning starters that have actually played in the playoffs

Tougher schedule this year: Trinity
Kicking game: Carroll
Size: Trinity
Speed: TIE
Underdog: Trinity
Team that has more players that get to go high dollar position camps: CARROLL, haha
NEED ANYMORE INTANGIBLES????????

[dragons08]

gee wilickers another poll

[dragonsdaddy]

i guess i might suggest that everyone who has typed in on this look up the term intangible. the trinity ol is the furthest from intangible i can imagine. once we all settle on the meaning of intangible, i think we'll be in greater agreement as to where they lie. ... well, maybe not, considering.

[dragons08]

intangible, as in like expierence, momentum, focus, stuff like that?

[TrojanHorse03]

And the time of death for this thread October 26, 2005 4:28 pm central time. Cause of death rabid preoccupation with a game that might not happen even though I hope it will :D .

[SLCDRGN]

Good call TrojanHorse03........This is getting painful!!!

[dragons08]

Good call TrojanHorse03........This is getting painful!!!
i know, im embarssing my self like crazy.. "gee wilickers" wtf?

[TrojanHorse03]

Hey one thing that can be agreed by all is that everybody who resides on this site, goofy screenames and all r passionate about their football especially of the high school vatiety that involves there local team. And God Bless America for it :)

[dragons08]

Hey one thing that can be agreed by all is that everybody who resides on this site, goofy screenames and all r passionate about their football especially of the high school vatiety that involves there local team. And God Bless America for it :)
you are correct

[toonman]

If this game does happen - The sad thing is that one of the two best teams in Texas 5A Football will be eliminated from the play-offs. For what it is worth, my opinion is that game will not happen and SLC will go D2. I cannot see GV winning either of their remaining games.

[dragonfootballfan]

What intagibles do you need? Maybe the fact that our team went to the state semi-finals last year. Ok, it's nowhere yalls playoff record but one thing we have is experience with the players, our backfield are all returing starters. You have nobody in your backfield that started last year and 2-3 receivers I think. Next, Trinity's district is tougher than Carroll. Our kicking game has gotten better since the beginning of the season. OK, maybe we don't have a freak ELF that goes out there and kicks 50 yard field goals but our kicking game doesn't need to be any better than extra points because scoring TD's will all that we will be doing. Ok, next intangible SIZE, no need to discuss that. Speed, toss up, we'll see in the game. We are the underdog, another intangible we own.

Lets overview Playoff Experience: Trinity, we have more returning starters that have actually played in the playoffs

Tougher schedule this year: Trinity
Kicking game: Carroll
Size: Trinity
Speed: TIE
Underdog: Trinity
Team that has more players that get to go high dollar position camps: CARROLL, haha
NEED ANYMORE INTANGIBLES????????
Of all the things that you mentioned none are intangibles.

[Blitzkreig]

ET does the "Haka". Southlake does the "Socka". Matchup looks ever more likely. Unfortunate it looks like it would be a first rounder. So much for seeding (not). Anything to prolong the season. On the positive side, SLC majors in first round K.O.'s. ;) Seriously, this one will be a dandy if it comes off.

[dragons08]

ET does the "Haka". Southlake does the "Socka". Matchup looks ever more likely. Unfortunate it looks like it would be a first rounder. So much for seeding (not). Anything to prolong the season. On the positive side, SLC majors in first round K.O.'s. ;) Seriously, this one will be a dandy if it comes off.
explain this Socka

[dragonfootballfan]

ET does the "Haka". Southlake does the "Socka". Matchup looks ever more likely. Unfortunate it looks like it would be a first rounder. So much for seeding (not). Anything to prolong the season. On the positive side, SLC majors in first round K.O.'s. ;) Seriously, this one will be a dandy if it comes off.
I don't think that a dance will prevent Trinity from going home in the first round if they play Carroll. This Trinity team will go down in history right next to the other Trinity teams that got knocked out in the first round by Arlington Lamar. What does "SLC majors in first round K.O.'s mean". If Carroll goes D2 I think that Trinity will make it to the state championship where they will meet one of the strong Houston area teams and get beat.

[TrojanHorse03]

U know I feel sorry for the Southlake Carroll Dragons, you know... ;) cuz people like "dragonfootballfan4life" r going to make it really hard on them when they get sent home in the first round :D !!!!

[BigFoot]

I don't think that a dance will prevent Trinity from going home in the first round if they play Carroll. This Trinity team will go down in history right next to the other Trinity teams that got knocked out in the first round by Arlington Lamar. What does "SLC majors in first round K.O.'s mean". If Carroll goes D2 I think that Trinity will make it to the state championship where they will meet one of the strong Houston area teams and get beat.


The Haka is not a dance. But whatever, that doesn't matter. I think this game could go either way and to be so cocky and unkind ...it could come back to haunt you.. I have never been unkind about SLC nor would I. I think each team even the ones with losing records give 100% every week.
I believe we should all support our teams no matter what. I am an ET fan but I certainly do not knock SLC like you guys do ET. GL anyway.

[DragonFan]

Be careful of which you speak! The first round match ups are yet to be determined and who goes home after said first round will be decided in 2 weeks!

Good luck to all who play and as someone quoted someone else "Good Football to all!"

[BigFoot]

Be careful of which you speak! The first round match ups are yet to be determined and who goes home after said first round will be decided in 2 weeks!

Good luck to all who play and as someone quoted someone else "Good Football to all!"
What does that mean....I didn't say anything agains SLC not one word.

[DragonFan]

What does that mean....I didn't say anything agains SLC not one word.

Nor I against E.T.

[DragonFan]

Be careful of which you speak! The first round match ups are yet to be determined and who goes home after said first round will be decided in 2 weeks!

Good luck to all who play and as someone quoted someone else "Good Football to all!"

Not implying anything just a word of caution to all who proclaim one team better than another. The games are played by the kids not the posters and anything can happen.

It was also a study in PC correctness to see if I could say something without offendeing anyone while offending everyone but not really saying anything! :rolleyes:

[boto24]

Should this game happen, I think it should be played on a Saturday (will definitely be played at Texas Stadium) and televised on satellite. This may be one of the greatest high school games in history. There are very, very, very few teams in the whole country who can keep pace with either of these teams.

[dragonfootballfan]

Should this game happen, I think it should be played on a Saturday (will definitely be played at Texas Stadium) and televised on satellite. This may be one of the greatest high school games in history. There are very, very, very few teams in the whole country who can keep pace with either of these teams.
It will be played at Texas Stadium on a saturday. There probably will not be TV coverage becasue of college football

[gritty52]

If it happens it will be the first game on 12 November @ Texas stadium 1pm I believe. That way it will give us and the SLC folks a chance for a seat. :D

[Eagle Hombre]

Can anyone inform me if this is still possilble --

[dragonfootballfan]

Can anyone inform me if this is still possilble --
It is still possible

[dragons08]

If it happens it will be the first game on 12 November @ Texas stadium 1pm I believe. That way it will give us and the SLC folks a chance for a seat. :D
bleh, i rahter have the late night game