Who is the most TALENTED 5A head coach in Texas?

[Drake]

It seems that there are a lot of people on this board that know an awful lot about a lot of teams.

I'm curious about opinions on who does the best job of coaching with an emphasis on doing more with less.

I don't know the situation in a lot of areas, but I've been impressed with Coach Olin at Baytown Lee in the past. (however, they're 0-6 or something this year)

[TheDuke]

I think the SLC coach is obviously pretty darn good!

[bleedgreen]

definitely Dodge, Outlaw, and Owens(Tyler Lee--despite the record this season, he's still one hell of a coach).........many others, i'm sure.............

[TheDuke]

Is one of those the Longview coach? He should be up there also. They are always good.

[Drake]

Todd Dodge? Played against him in HS. Obviously he knows the game forwards and backwards being on one of the most prolific offenses in TX HS history and then playing at UT. But I'm also assuming he has a fantastic talent pool to work with. ASSUMING. I was wondering more about some out there that get a lot out of their program with less resources and talent. Maybe you have to have it ALL anymore to win big or consistantly in 5A and there aren't any overachievers anymore. I was just curious.

[GTown02]

Outlaw would get my vote... one hell of a coach and it doesnt hurt to have some monster talent out there in Lufkin...

[bleedgreen]

yea, Duke...King is a pretty good coach, but i don't say that on here because we already have way too many Longview "homers" posting....don't want to sound so biased.........strakedrake......one that comes to mind is the Copperas Cove coach.....don't know his name, but have heard really good things about him and he has definitely made Cove a serious contender...................

[taco_bockley]

outlaw get's my vote
he producesses a handfull of players to d1 colleges every year, and he has more respect for the team he is playing and won't run the score up on the like
slc or et

[bleedgreen]

i guess i'll follow the lead of Duke and GTown and say HOOK'EM HORNS!!! now, i feel better--LOL......Garland's coach is a very good motivator, as well....got those Owls hitting on all cylinders................

[dragonfootballfan]

outlaw get's my vote
he producesses a handfull of players to d1 colleges every year, and he has more respect for the team he is playing and won't run the score up on the like
slc or et
Carroll only has two quarterbacks on varsity this year, both of them play from the first quarter on. They only have two runningbacks that can move the ball and one of them was hurt last week. I think that 7 receivers caught passes last week. They did not run up the score and have not all season. This team is not very deep, as in if you put the backup O-line in with our very important backups at quarterback and runningback they will get hurt. They do not run up the score. They only have spread shotgun sets where you cannot run the ball if there are 7-8 in the box, so in order to move the ball you have to throw it to keep the defense honest. They are not trying to run up the score, rather they are trying to move the football using short passes which are basically five yard handoffs.

[Favpack]

You guys are gonna laugh and I don't even know his name -- but I was impressed with Huntsville's coach. I've talked to several officials who say this guy is good. The team is disciplined; smart; and they never give up regardless of the score or opponent. He maximizes the little talent he has as well.

I've said it before but Bill Harper will completely turn Nacogdoches around by next year.

I've been very impressed with Coach King at Longview. He's done more than Pat Collins with that talent - period.

[PACK '97]

you have to say Dodge, Outlaw, Owens, and the Longview coach (king, maybe)....Anyways, look at the production Outlaw has done since he inherited a luke-warm system at Lufkin and see what he has done since then...totally turned the program around...Have to take my hat off to him...Has done a hell of a job

[bleedgreen]

You guys are gonna laugh and I don't even know his name -- but I was impressed with Huntsville's coach. I've talked to several officials who say this guy is good. The team is disciplined; smart; and they never give up regardless of the score or opponent. He maximizes the little talent he has as well.

I've said it before but Bill Harper will completely turn Nacogdoches around by next year.

I've been very impressed with Coach King at Longview. He's done more than Pat Collins with that talent - period.
Ditto on that post brother....but, we all seem to be forgetting one team(because they haven't been producing in awhile)----John Tyler!! Cujo is alive and well.....we will call out the dog catchers next friday and have them put to sleep---LOL......seriously, they look good...not to shabby of a coaching debut, huh??? their problem was never talent..it was motivation...that coach has got those kids motivated and ready to shock the state...plus, the "fair-weather" JT fans in Tyler are back out in groves now--that accounts for some of the motivation.....................

[sendero]

I don't know where he is at now but when Tam Hollingshead went to Temple he turned the program around then look what happen after he left. I heard he went to a Rockwall school?

Among the other ones mentioned already I would throw in Larry Hill from Smithson Valley as well. He gets a lot of kids to stay interested in the program even though they are fighting to get some playing time with the number of players on the roster.

[Kingwolf]

I have the utmost respect for Dodge, King, Brooks(JT), Owens, Garland's, Cove's, Westfield....

there are two coaches who have done the most outstanding things in the last 10 years....

1. John Outlaw-took an underachieving program, used the talent and shocked Texas....if not for SLC, they would have 3 titles since 2001....

2. GPN...before you laugh, look at the history of that program and what has happened since he arrived, they have come out of no where..........

[Covedawg]

On of the front runners has to be Jack Welch at Copperas Cove, he came to town in 1994 and took a team (couldn't even call it a program) and started a program. Cove did not have pee wee football or much of anything for that matter. Got the city to start a peewee program to get little ones involved, got the track team going (All great football teams have a great track program), Got the field renovated, put the astro-play turf down, one of the first few schools to do that. Got the team into the playoffs for the first time since 1960. Have not have a kid fail out in several years now, sends a lot of kids to college now, and has several players in the NFL also. In the last 5 years Cove has had two 10-0 seasons and possibly one this year as well. That first time in playoffs Cove went 3 deep and lost to Midland Lee (Cedric Benson)...Jack Welch may not be the best one out there, but he should be considered in any Top 10

IMHO

[hornfan713]

I've got to say Coach Aymond over at North Shore. From everything ive heard he's done impressive things over there in Galena Park. Also, Coach Outlaw and Coach King at Longview. I can't discount Coach Dodge either. He may not always have amazing talent at every position, but he manages to make it seem like it.

[Covedawg]

The other question is how many Bad coaches are out there.....
How many talented kids never have got the chance to develope their talent because of poor coaching......

[BHS0005]

Jim Ledford out of Berkner. He took a horrible program into a growing, elite team in the area. If you think this team plays horrible competition, jus remember 2 years ago when Berkner was in the same district as Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Allen, Rockwall, McKinney... they beat Plano West to clinch the 3rd spot to get in the playoffs. Berkner is now 5 times better.

[TXfbfan]

The coaches who most impress me are the ones that have great teams with little talent. Like, Katy smiyhson Valley, Austin Westlake. Yet year in year out they have great teams.

[dragonsdaddy]

i am really really surprised at the lack of love shown for 2 of the best coaches both motivationally and tactically-sv's hill and dr's joflo. these 2 have done it over and over for 5 years now. great genlemen and a definite credit to their chosen profession. i'd have been proud to have my kids play for either of them.

[Eagle Hombre]

I'm going to throw out Steve Warren. He took a long dormant Abilene High program and has developed it into one of the elite programs in the state. Having to compete in the "Little Southwest Conference" long dominated by the traditional powers Midland Lee, Permian, and Abilene Cooper. Who all made their own state championship runs during Warren's tenure. He and his staff have taken AHS from an average team to one of the top programs in West Texas. Aside from the development of the football program he has sent countless assistants on to positions as head coaches at other programs. Success breeds Success. :D :D :cool:

[clemensbuff]

I'm going to say Todd Dodge and Larry Hill. IMO those two guys take the least and make the most out of it year after year! Don't get mad at me right off the bat Rangers and Dragons. I truly beleive that your respective players are talented, but I think they are this way because of great training, coaching, and the program they play in! Again, IMO there are many, many teams that have way more God given talent than either of those two teams could dream of having and never play in or win a state championship game!

[c-lisle]

Dodge and Outlaw are the top two and then the rest...

[rich_pack]

Outlaw, then Todd Dodge......I know this team is not a playoff team really, but the coach at Rockwall has been doing good latley

[Red Raiders]

Dodge (Southlake Carroll), Outlaw (Lufkin), Owens (Tyler Lee), and Brook (Tyler John Tyler) <He brought the Cujo back alive! I was not suprised about that though because I just knew he would be a good coach by looking at his career with other schools.

[Rerun]

I am going to go ahead and throw in my #1 pick.

Greg Ferrera from Schertz follwed closely by Jim Rackley at Converse

[farmerfan]

Steve Lineweaver- Euless Trinity
Took over the program in 2001 and led them to the state semis, where they gave eventual champ Lufkin all they could handle. He has taken a very good program and turned it into a great program. I think he is the best coach in the state of Texas regardless of classification.
Before coming to Trinity, he was very successfull at Commerce taking them to 3 title games winning 1.

[Haysrebels#1]

i think Bob shelton at hays consolidated is because
He has benn ther 40 years and started the whole program and has them ubdefeated and outscoring their opponents and average 47-23 this year

[dragons08]

I'm going to say Todd Dodge and Larry Hill. IMO those two guys take the least and make the most out of it year after year! Don't get mad at me right off the bat Rangers and Dragons. I truly beleive that your respective players are talented, but I think they are this way because of great training, coaching, and the program they play in! Again, IMO there are many, many teams that have way more God given talent than either of those two teams could dream of having and never play in or win a state championship game!
dodge takes the players strengths and uses them to their advantage, the players also work their butts off, plus buying into the system like many dragon posters say as well. plus many young dragons, dream of being big dragons (varsity) and they work and try as hard as they can to make it to there from pee-wee, the work ethic is INSANE!

[TrojanHorse03]

Amen FarmerFan, the most knowledgable person on this entire board.

[clemensbuff]

dodge takes the players strengths and uses them to their advantage, the players also work their butts off, plus buying into the system like many dragon posters say as well. plus many young dragons, dream of being big dragons (varsity) and they work and try as hard as they can to make it to there from pee-wee, the work ethic is INSANE!

I totally agree with what you say. You know, the turtle did beat the rabbit!!! If you work hard and don't quit, good things happen.

[dragons08]

I totally agree with what you say. You know, the turtle did beat the rabbit!!! If you work hard and don't quit, good things happen.
exactly, and this goes back to what i said a while back, one of the main reasons why slc is so good is because of the parents, that put the work ethic into their children

[clemensbuff]

exactly, and this goes back to what i said a while back, one of the main reasons why slc is so good is because of the parents, that put the work ethic into their children

Abosolutely, positively, without any doubt whatsoever! Parents who do drugs, have kids who do drugs! Parents who work their A$$e$ off, have kids who will do the same!!!!

[Primetime536]

The other question is how many Bad coaches are out there.....
How many talented kids never have got the chance to develope their talent because of poor coaching......
wacos coach, absolutly terrible. waco has all the talent, but no coaching. give waco a good coach, and youll see some 4a state championships

[clemensbuff]

wacos coach, absolutly terrible. waco has all the talent, but no coaching. give waco a good coach, and youll see some 4a state championships

I thought they had a new coach this year, or did they just install a new offense? I'll agree with you that they do have a pile of talent on the field! Lots of speed and size to boot!

[Primetime536]

I thought they had a new coach this year, or did they just install a new offense? I'll agree with you that they do have a pile of talent on the field! Lots of speed and size to boot!
I think it was a new O cordinator. But yea their size and speed will be scary in 4A

[The Great Evaluator]

Steve Lineweaver Euless Trinity. 56-13 since taking over the Trojans and his record at Commerce was something like 82% winning percentage. Having said that I am a Trojan fan so to make this fair, I think we should vote on the coach we would most like to see coach our team if our current head coach were to leave. The short list for me would include in order:

Ennis-Sam Harrell.Great innovative mind that took a fledgling program to 3 state titles.

SLC - Todd Dodge. Offensive genius. He's still years ahead of everyone else.

Denton Ryan - Joey Florence. High School Football's version of Jimmy Johnson.
A players coach who "turned the thing around".

South Grand Prairie - David Fisher. Huh? I've gotten the opportunity to get to know him and he is a quality person with high moral character. You would feel safe with him in charge of your kids.

Most underrated Coach...Personally I think it's Lineweaver but I'll also include Copperas Cove Jack Welch and Irving MacArthur's David Beaty.

I live in Dallas/Ft. Worth so i don't know much about many of the state's other coaches but these are the guys i would want from around here.

[Oiler99]

Pearlands heath. He won more games there in the last five yr then the won in the 24 yrs before that. plus since he arrived in 1997 they have only missed the playoffs twice and have been since 2000 and are in agian this yr. Postin 73 wins since he arrive in 98 compare to the 6 games they won in the same time span before that. Houston coach of the yr in 2001 and runner up several other times.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Does anyone remember Coach Tommy Watkins?!!

Does anyone know what he's doing, now?!!

And how about Coach Alton Hill, from Garland Lakeview?!!

[Ladypack34]

Coach Outlaw and Coach Dodge....not sure in which order...but I guess I'll say Outlaw...'cause he's a cool guy...sure Dodge is too..but I don't know him

[bleedgreen]

Outlaw, then Todd Dodge......I know this team is not a playoff team really, but the coach at Rockwall has been doing good latley
yea, definitely Lineweaver at Trinity(which i personally stated about 3 months ago on this very site)....can't forget about Rockwall's coach(how could i forget that after that circus a couple of weeks ago in Longview)...don't know his name, but he has got those boys on the right track.........

[DragonFan]

Dodge of SLC, Joey Florence of Denton Ryan, and Hill of Smithson Valley.

[farmerfan]

yea, definitely Lineweaver at Trinity(which i personally stated about 3 months ago on this very site)....can't forget about Rockwall's coach(how could i forget that after that circus a couple of weeks ago in Longview)...don't know his name, but he has got those boys on the right track.........

The Rockwall coach is Scott Smith, he was at Permian for two or three years. He has had head coaching jobs at Duncanville, Highland Park and then moved onto Baylor. The guy is a class act and a very Godly man. He is full of integrity and runs a very clean program.

[bubbacoach]

Danny Padron at San Antonio O'Connor, does more with less than most any coach. His teams are not blessed with speed or alot of size, but they still win. He instills discipline and a work ethic in his kids that gives them a chance to win each week. I have heard from teachers in his school, about how much of a difference he has made in the overall attitude of the school. He went to a school who had no winning history in its short time, but has made it into a contender in region 4 year in and year out. It will only be a matter of time before he makes them a state contender year in and year out.

[BigDaddy]

Amarillo HS-Coach Larry Dipple. One of the most winningest Texas HS football coaches going. Dipple has gone deep in the playoffs with one of the smallest 5A enrollments in Texas. They are currently 7-1 and show no signs of slowing down until playoff time. :eek:

[lonny23]

It seems that there are a lot of people on this board that know an awful lot about a lot of teams.

I'm curious about opinions on who does the best job of coaching with an emphasis on doing more with less.

I don't know the situation in a lot of areas, but I've been impressed with Coach Olin at Baytown Lee in the past. (however, they're 0-6 or something this year)
Does Mangold count as Judson's offensive coordinator?

HE DOES LESS WITH MORE! :D

[lonny23]

definitely Dodge, Outlaw, and Owens(Tyler Lee--despite the record this season, he's still one hell of a coach).........many others, i'm sure.............
I'll agree on Dodge. The other 2 are good coaches, but play with a boatload of talent.

[lonny23]

You guys are gonna laugh and I don't even know his name -- but I was impressed with Huntsville's coach. I've talked to several officials who say this guy is good. The team is disciplined; smart; and they never give up regardless of the score or opponent. He maximizes the little talent he has as well.

I've said it before but Bill Harper will completely turn Nacogdoches around by next year.

I've been very impressed with Coach King at Longview. He's done more than Pat Collins with that talent - period.
The Roaches are a lot better this year than last year!

[lonny23]

The coaches who most impress me are the ones that have great teams with little talent. Like, Katy smiyhson Valley, Austin Westlake. Yet year in year out they have great teams.
You're the only person on the first page who actually answered the question correctly. I have to give coaches credit for mining talent, but these guys get more from less and so has Judson traditionally.

[lonny23]

I am going to go ahead and throw in my #1 pick.

Greg Ferrera from Schertz follwed closely by Jim Rackley at Converse
We'll sure find out about Ferreira in the playoffs. I said before the year that Clemens might be a lot better after the coaching change and I wanted to wait and see what they did.

Rackley has been around for 5 of Judson's 6 titles and obviously has made a difference at the school.

[lonny23]

exactly, and this goes back to what i said a while back, one of the main reasons why slc is so good is because of the parents, that put the work ethic into their children
That same work ethic is put into military kids and the reason why they are so successful.

[lonny23]

Danny Padron at San Antonio O'Connor, does more with less than most any coach. His teams are not blessed with speed or alot of size, but they still win. He instills discipline and a work ethic in his kids that gives them a chance to win each week. I have heard from teachers in his school, about how much of a difference he has made in the overall attitude of the school. He went to a school who had no winning history in its short time, but has made it into a contender in region 4 year in and year out. It will only be a matter of time before he makes them a state contender year in and year out.
You're right about Padron. I wonder where he learned how to coach? :confused:

[Rerun]

We'll sure find out about Ferreira in the playoffs. I said before the year that Clemens might be a lot better after the coaching change and I wanted to wait and see what they did.

Rackley has been around for 5 of Judson's 6 titles and obviously has made a difference at the school.

I never thought Lenhoff was a bad coach either. I think he was top notch and did a very, very good job at running the football program. He was in my eyes, the best AD/HC possible.

Ferrera is a hell of a coach and an overall great guy. I think he will guide Clemens to a state title within the next couple of season(if not this year) in Class 4A.

I am also really pleased with the new Clemens DC, Steve Hoffman. He use to be an asst. baseball coach for Clemens when I played there and he was always, always an intense man. I know he bit my head off more than a few times. He has done a great job with the D this year. Overall, I think Clemens, Judson, and SV have the best coaching staffs in the Region and possibly the state.

[ALLIN]

James Morton from Monterey High in Lubbock is a pretty good one, with little talent to work with.

[implacable44]

DW Rutledge is the greatest coach ever.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Coach Colbert is the best ever....... :mad:

[JoeC]

Without a doubt, I am very impressed with Outlaw (LP) - most coaches would have never recognized Javorsky Lane's talent as a running back . . . I am also impressed with the offensive scheme that Dodge runs, just like the wishbone - I think his efforts has went a long way in changing football in Texas (from basically run oriented schemes to a wide open scheme), heck, he has even changed defensive schemes in this football crazy state. I also have a lot of respect for Lineweaver at E-Trinity; especially after his team's showing a few years back against Lufkin [and Reggie McNeal] in Rose Stadium - pushing the eventual state champions to the limit. Not yet, but eventually I believe that Longview's Coach King will fall into this class - I believe that he is injecting his tenacity into our program - he's also doing something that past coaches were not very good at - he's getting basketball players to come out. But the coach that I am most impressed with has to be Hill at Smithson Valley . . . I've watched these guys on television - not exactly a haven for athletic talent, yet these guys just keep on winning - "in my mind, it's got to be the coaching."

[lonny23]

Coach Colbert is the best ever....... :mad:
Hey, does PA Memorial need an offensive coordinator? I'll give you and pay for him to go! :p

[lonny23]

DW Rutledge is the greatest coach ever.
I won't argue with that one! :D

[TexasRed6x]

Rackley with Judson, I know it has been a very long year for him and his staff but I am confident that in a few years he will have Judson back in the winning column.

[implacable44]

Rackley is no DW

[Butch Fifield]

all I know is I miss Tom Kimrough.

[lonny23]

Rackley is no DW
I even heard that one when Rackley was on his way to winning a title!

[singularity]

Larry Hil has to be in the top 3. He most definitly makes the most of the least. For the past 5 years, starting with the 4A state championship appearence how many players have gone on to D1 colleges to play football. I know you can count them on one (maybe two) hands.

I'll bet he is a great chess player. :cool:

[RidgePride]

Steve Lineweaver- Euless Trinity
Took over the program in 2001 and led them to the state semis, where they gave eventual champ Lufkin all they could handle. He has taken a very good program and turned it into a great program. I think he is the best coach in the state of Texas regardless of classification.
Before coming to Trinity, he was very successfull at Commerce taking them to 3 title games winning 1.
He was like the OC at SLC in the early 90's when they were winning championships.

[PackAttack2005]

My vote is for John Outlaw and Todd Dodge because I know the most about them and what they have accomplished.

I am surprised no one has mentioned Coach Johnson formerly from Katy and Coach Schroeder formerly of Austin Westlake those guys had a run at those schools that was incredible.

[eltigre]

2 of the very best Mike Johnston (head coach from early 80's until 2 yrs ago) and current head coach, Gary Joseph. Katy normally does not have the team speed or superior athletes, but they have been winning for years. Very well coached.......from O line, special teams, to secondary, to LBs.....very disciplined and each player knows his responsibility..........look at Katy's record for the last 20 years and then look at how many of their players have gone on to play college football........as compared to the North Shores of the HS football world.........and, ask Mr. Dodge about what he thinks of Katy football coaching.......

[clemensbuff]

I am also really pleased with the new Clemens DC, Steve Hoffman. He use to be an asst. baseball coach for Clemens when I played there and he was always, always an intense man. I know he bit my head off more than a few times. He has done a great job with the D this year. Overall, I think Clemens, Judson, and SV have the best coaching staffs in the Region and possibly the state.[/QUOTE]


Steve is one hell of a coach and an all around great guy. To know him as I have for over 20 years and see what kind of man he turned out to be is really no surprise. Besides being a great defensive coordinator he also spends many hours at Watts Elementary School with the kids that have special needs. I've heard from several teachers there that he does a wonderful job with these children! Not to mention he was a heck of a nose tackle for TT and would be playing on Sundays now if he would have had a little more size! Hoffman and Ferrara will do great things at Clemens in a very short time!

[farmerfan]

He was like the OC at SLC in the early 90's when they were winning championships.


i am aware of that, in fact Carroll's first state title came after he was hired by Ledbetter to run the offense. Rumor is he wanted that job bad and when they did not offer it to him, he was offered the Commerce job and we all know how that turned out.

[Sakatha]

Only prob w/putting Outlaw over Dodge is the plain and simple fact that both times SLC downed Lufkin, Lufkin was grossly out-coached.

The talent differential between the two squads was just sick. Lufkin slaughers SLC regarding athletes. I am talking overall talent, here. Don't start throwin the SLC WR's at me. :)

~DnM

p.s. Regarding SLC. Contrary to popular belief, SLC keeps the score DOWN in most cases. 3 games this year already, they probably could've scored 100. No, I am not exagerating.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Hey, does PA Memorial need an offensive coordinator? I'll give you and pay for him to go! :p
Our offense is fine, our defense needs a little help but we're ok. :D

[GoRangers]

Larry Hil has to be in the top 3. He most definitly makes the most of the least. For the past 5 years, starting with the 4A state championship appearence how many players have gone on to D1 colleges to play football. I know you can count them on one (maybe two) hands.

I'll bet he is a great chess player. :cool:

Larry Hill also has twice been the Coach for the US Army Bowl. That honor should speak for itself. He's routinely acknowledged by college coaches as having very well-coached players.

[VB Pack Fan]

This thread is just like the one on who has the best fan base. There are a lot of great coaches out there, and you can,t rate it on wins and loses. You have you look at the over all big picture. I can agree with the comment about our coach Outlaw getting out coached in 2003 at Waco. No way we should loose that game with the lead we had. But as for Dodge and his offense, that offense has been around since the late 70,s. Anybody out there every heard of Archie Cooley the coach at Misssissippi Valley. That is the offense that made Jerry Rice a no. 1 pick 1985.They run that 4 and 5 receiver set every play with qb Willie Totten throwing to a group of wr,s with one running back and sometimes a empty backfield. ;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I wonder if Rusty Dowling would ever get back into coaching?! He took a useless Texas City High School team and transformed them into a 4A powerhouse! (< Bringing in 2 State titles!) It's unfortunate, though, that they've gotten back to losing days, since Dowling has left!

Is he doing well as AD in Katy?

[TexasHSfootball KIng]

ARE YOU GUYS $#@$%$% KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! MIKE JOHNSON FOR KATY 3 STATE TITLES.....MAYBE 4 IF THAT WHOLE INCIDENT IN 1998 DIDNT HAPPEN.....ALWAYS FINISHED 15-1,14-2,13-3,16-1.....the records dont lie

[zippy]

Hands down - Larry Hill

SLC has had a good program before Dodge got there, and as for everyone saying that their players are less talented than most, are you crazy? They have some of the best players around the state. Last year the Rangers were overmatched by an average of 70 pounds a man up front on the lines. SLC had better WR's, a better QB, and better RB's (by far). Remember what SV was before Hill got there? NOTHING, one of the worse teams in the state no doubt. Lost many more than they won. SLC was a winning school prior to Dodge, and he has kept it that way. Its a lot harder to work with a terrible team, that has no support, tradition, or "want".

[TexasHSfootball KIng]

:D hey zippy....who won When SLC and Katy played? :D

[zippy]

Corey Clark- A&M- O-Line (Did not start, this year is his first year to play)
Eryk Anders - Alabama - DT or DE (Might get some playing time next year)
Reagan Schneide UTEP - Kicker (Played a few years now)
Joe Pawelek - Baylor - LB (Will play next year, not this year)
Clint Haney - UT - DB (Hurt, never got to really play, only a game or two)
Cody Fuller - TT - WR (Very good, going to MLB, does not play anymore)

This year
Cody Beyer - A&M - WR
Clay Fuller - TT - WR

Possible ( I would take him anyway)
Andrew Sendejo - ? - DB

Thats all that come to mind during this time period. Anyone else that I may have left off?





QUOTE=singularity]Larry Hil has to be in the top 3. He most definitly makes the most of the least. For the past 5 years, starting with the 4A state championship appearence how many players have gone on to D1 colleges to play football. I know you can count them on one (maybe two) hands.

I'll bet he is a great chess player. :cool:[/QUOTE]

[zippy]

Good one, Katy, but who won when SV and Katy played? :D Katy has an outstanding unit as well.

:D hey zippy....who won When SLC and Katy played? :D

[dragonfootballfan]

Hands down - Larry Hill

SLC has had a good program before Dodge got there, and as for everyone saying that their players are less talented than most, are you crazy? They have some of the best players around the state. Last year the Rangers were overmatched by an average of 70 pounds a man up front on the lines. SLC had better WR's, a better QB, and better RB's (by far). Remember what SV was before Hill got there? NOTHING, one of the worse teams in the state no doubt. Lost many more than they won. SLC was a winning school prior to Dodge, and he has kept it that way. Its a lot harder to work with a terrible team, that has no support, tradition, or "want".
Carroll did not make the playoffs the year before dodge got there

[zippy]

Notice, the year, It was one year, SLC was comming off a GREAT streak of playoff appearances from 78-98, with the exception of 1983, and 1996 I think. They had also been to the state finals 4 times and won it 3 times, I think it was 88, 92, and 93. With a loss in 87. Go look up how many years SV had not been to the playoffs prior to Hill. Its funny!

Carroll did not make the playoffs the year before dodge got there

[dragonfootballfan]

Notice, the year, It was one year, SLC was comming off a GREAT streak of playoff appearances from 78-98, with the exception of 1983, and 1996 I think. They had also been to the state finals 4 times and won it 3 times, I think it was 88, 92, and 93. With a loss in 87. Go look up how many years SV had not been to the playoffs prior to Hill. Its funny!
those championships were in 3A.

[zippy]

Doesnt really matter, the opposition is equal no matter what classification. My point was, that SLC has had winning in their program, and that makes it easier for Dodge to come in and win, as opposed to Hill at SV. He had a much harder challenge there. Here is a clipping from a site about SLC (16-year reign of coach Bob Ledbetter who posted a 170-31-3 record from 1980-95). SV had a record of 139-152-6 pre-Hill, now they have a all-time record of around 260-190-6 up to this point. (in that area anyway)


those championships were in 3A.

[clemensbuff]

Notice, the year, It was one year, SLC was comming off a GREAT streak of playoff appearances from 78-98, with the exception of 1983, and 1996 I think. They had also been to the state finals 4 times and won it 3 times, I think it was 88, 92, and 93. With a loss in 87. Go look up how many years SV had not been to the playoffs prior to Hill. Its funny!

Did SV ever make the playoffs before Hill? I can't remember them ever making it! I know this, before Hill, everyone I know tried to play SV for homecoming, even if they had to play their HC game at SV! LOL

I think that Hill and Dodge are both great coaches and I wouldn't have to live on the difference between them! But for now, if I had to pick one, I'll go with Dodge since he's won a couple of titles and Hill hasn't. Also because of their record for the last four years counting this year, 1 loss, that's just unbeleivable! Especially for texas 5a football!

[PackAttack2005]

I think the original question was, which coach does the most with less talent and not who is the best coach.

My vote goes to Coach Bill Harper (former coach when Marshall was 5A) in his first year at 4A Nacogdoches. He has turned a 2-8 team around in a tough 17-4A district with Marshall and Kilgore to a competitive 4-4 reacord this year. He was also with Marshall as an assitant when they won the 5A State Championship in 1990 ovr Judson.

[zippy]

That was the original question, SV doesnt have great athletes, and from 1976 until Hill got there they didnt even make the playoffs. Since he has been there they are a state powerhouse in the top 25 every year. They didnt just all of a sudden get talent, name one player last year that had super talent from SV. Most teams have 3-4 at least. Some have them on both sides of the ball. Harper might be good, but he still has many years to get them better, 2 more games won is however an improvment I guess.


I think the original question was, which coach does the most with less talent and not who is the best coach.

My vote goes to Coach Bill Harper (former coach when Marshall was 5A) in his first year at 4A Nacogdoches. He has turned a 2-8 team around in a tough 17-4A district with Marshall and Kilgore to a competitive 4-4 reacord this year. He was also with Marshall as an assitant when they won the 5A State Championship in 1990 ovr Judson.

[singularity]

That was the original question, SV doesnt have great athletes, and from 1976 until Hill got there they didnt even make the playoffs. Since he has been there they are a state powerhouse in the top 25 every year. They didnt just all of a sudden get talent, name one player last year that had super talent from SV. Most teams have 3-4 at least. Some have them on both sides of the ball. Harper might be good, but he still has many years to get them better, 2 more games won is however an improvment I guess.

I'd have to say Joe Pawelek...thats about it. Other than Eryk Anders, everyone else is either not playing, or they are D2 or 3.

[pack0808]

I think the original question was, which coach does the most with less talent and not who is the best coach.

My vote goes to Coach Bill Harper (former coach when Marshall was 5A) in his first year at 4A Nacogdoches. He has turned a 2-8 team around in a tough 17-4A district with Marshall and Kilgore to a competitive 4-4 reacord this year. He was also with Marshall as an assitant when they won the 5A State Championship in 1990 ovr Judson.


You cannot just go by their record in this case you have to understand just how bad Nac was and has been for a very long time. Even though their record is 4-4 they played some very very good teams tough!! They would usually lose to those type of teams by 40 plus points at least. I did not even recognize them this year!! they have improved that much!! :eek:

[TxLawDawg]

Zippy -

I could only think of one more SV DI player you missed. It happens to be the other Fuller - Lance Fuller. He's a DB at Texas Tech. They all come from one heck of an athletic family. Cody, Lance and Clay are all brothers. Cody (currently in baseball minors) and Lance both at Tech and Clay is going to Baylor. Clint Haney is their cousin. The Fuller dad also played college football at Tech.

I agree with the comments about Larry Hill. He's an absolutely phenomenal coach. He doesn't have the raw talen that other schools have, but he wins on technique, discipline, and heart. SV never went to the playoffs when he got there, and the team was 1-9 the year before he arrived. SV made the playoffs his second season and again in his fourth, and every year since. The only years they didn't make it were his first and third.

[TxLawDawg]

One more - Laron Bybee was a QB for Army

[singularity]

One more - Laron Bybee was a QB for Army

Hes doing well up at Westpoint. He got his ring this year.

[zippy]

Yea, I dont know why I forgot him, I was hoping that Clay would have gone to TT, and Cody would have stayed. It would have been cool to see all of them playing at the same school on Saturday!


Zippy -

I could only think of one more SV DI player you missed. It happens to be the other Fuller - Lance Fuller. He's a DB at Texas Tech. They all come from one heck of an athletic family. Cody, Lance and Clay are all brothers. Cody (currently in baseball minors) and Lance both at Tech and Clay is going to Baylor. Clint Haney is their cousin. The Fuller dad also played college football at Tech.

I agree with the comments about Larry Hill. He's an absolutely phenomenal coach. He doesn't have the raw talen that other schools have, but he wins on technique, discipline, and heart. SV never went to the playoffs when he got there, and the team was 1-9 the year before he arrived. SV made the playoffs his second season and again in his fourth, and every year since. The only years they didn't make it were his first and third.

[zippy]

Oh yea, The good ol 4A days. He was one heck of a QB, and real smart. He always made the right choice on the field. I dont know how I forgot about him. I think a few others could have played if they did not choose baseball. Some like Fuller and Pawelek did both which is nice to see.


One more - Laron Bybee was a QB for Army

[ktCarl]

ARE YOU GUYS $#@$%$% KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! MIKE JOHNSON FOR KATY 3 STATE TITLES.....MAYBE 4 IF THAT WHOLE INCIDENT IN 1998 DIDNT HAPPEN.....ALWAYS FINISHED 15-1,14-2,13-3,16-1.....the records dont lie

I guess you wouldn't count Coach Johnston in this thread because he's not a 5A coach anymore.

[Ebo]

Coach Larry Dippel of Amarillo High School. He won his 250th game this year.

[ruffshod]

I know they're not 5a, but the coach up at Celina has been taking names for a while now. Coach Johnson from Katy consistently dominated region III for years. Was sad to see him go. Dodge at slc isn't too bad either. They aren't loaded with athletes from top to bottom like NS and WF but They consistently go deep into the playoffs year in and year out.

[CenTexFan]

It was Schreoder (Westlake’s former coach) he always got the most from his teams. Now I would say Dodge, Outlaw and the Smithson Valley coach are my candidates.

[BigArab]

Coach Southern at Marshall. They're poised to make another serious run at the 4A Championship.

[rancher52]

I know they're not 5a, but the coach up at Celina has been taking names for a while now. Coach Johnson from Katy consistently dominated region III for years. Was sad to see him go. Dodge at slc isn't too bad either. They aren't loaded with athletes from top to bottom like NS and WF but They consistently go deep into the playoffs year in and year out.

Not sure if you meant the current Celina coach or the G.A Moore who returned to Pilot Point from Celina 3 or 4 years ago. Moore is the winningest coach at any level in Tx HSFB after breaking Gordon Wood's long standing record (of Brownwood). I think the new coach at Celina is doing well too but don't know for certain.

[rancher52]

Notice, the year, It was one year, SLC was comming off a GREAT streak of playoff appearances from 78-98, with the exception of 1983, and 1996 I think. They had also been to the state finals 4 times and won it 3 times, I think it was 88, 92, and 93. With a loss in 87. Go look up how many years SV had not been to the playoffs prior to Hill. Its funny!

There was a long p/o streak but it was from 1986-1995. They missed playoffs in 80,81,83,85,96, and 99. Some of the stories get a little more exaggerated with time. I don't think they lost a State Championship game during that time -- they played in 3 and won them in 88, 92, 93. In 87 they lost to McGregor in the semi-final game.

[dragonsdaddy]

zippy's point is accurate however. before hill-nothing. since hill- lots of success.

[LionVarsityCheer]

i like steve gideon. :D he's a great coach and role model

[swgc06]

Southlake carrolls coach is the best....he cant lose thus far...but if pearland messes around and beats north shore..then westfeild i think he might be