Texas #1

[Texasfrog]

Well gents... Texas is the new #1... at least for this week. The voters have looked and watched and evaluated and what do they say ?? Texas #1 :D

[garlandredraider]

Just saw that... Congrats Texas! It looks good for tech too to only have 1 loss from the #1 team.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/2005-short2.pdf

Tech #16
Colorado #24

That about wraps up the Big 12

[GTown02]

I guess a few people agreed with Corso ;).

[mtbray]

YESSSS now to make reservations in Pasadena...

[TheDuke]

Oh Ya!!!!!!!


HOOK 'EM BABY!! :D

[Hdshrinker]

Well gents... Texas is the new #1... at least for this week. The voters have looked and watched and evaluated and what do they say ?? Texas #1 :D


The voters? Laughing....check the other polls where truly the humans are registered.....the real...errrrr.....voters AP= Texas #2 USA = Texas #2
ESPN = Texas #2 Harris = Texas #2 Hd Shrinker = Texas # 4 , 5 at worst; 3 at best. Any system that had TT ranked 6th/7th is seriously flawed.


This is CLASSIC......not only is the Texas schedule a joke...their coach a joke......but now truly...their ranking is......

[Butch Fifield]

This is CLASSIC......not only is the Texas schedule a joke...their coach a joke......but now truly...their ranking is......

and who might your school be......?

[GTown02]

and who might your school be......?
I have a slight feeling that its not Texas ;).

[Hdshrinker]

and who might your school be......?

As soon as My son signs this spring I'll tell you...until then....


I'm a fan of football.....and the bcs is making a mockery of it all......and that's too bad......we really...really need a playoff system...........

I am an EX-Texas fan......two years of weasal mack soured Me.

[Butch Fifield]

I am an EX-Texas fan......two years of weasal mack soured Me.

Mack has never been a weasel. He has always been a very good guy. The players love him.

Yes, I have always had my concerns about his coaching ability, but do think he is learning and is much better than he used to be. Coaching will not be a hinderance this year.

[Hdshrinker]

Mack has never been a weasel. He has always been a very good guy. The players love him.

Yes, I have always had my concerns about his coaching ability, but do think he is learning and is much better than he used to be. Coaching will not be a hinderance this year.


We'll have to agree to disagree on his weasal whinning self....as for his players....show me one of them that is playing at the pro level that came in with enough talent to play at the pro level. Please dont point Me to Ricky blunt who is a washout.....and as much as I love Roy Williams style of play against the run he cannot guard a pass for his life. Learning? At how many million a year is he learning? Coaching will be a hinderance but it probably won't show up till the bowl. With this schedule of talent this year even mack brown (knock on wood) can't screw it up. It's hard not to look good when you have the best talent in the Nation ask Laker/Bulls coach Phil, and ask him now that he has only kobe.


My problems with mack started at simms and Applewhite.

[Butch Fifield]

and as much as I love Roy Williams style of play against the run he cannot guard a pass for his life.

that Roy was a Sooner.

[Hdshrinker]

that Roy was a Sooner.


LOL...there ya go......where is his Roy Williams...I remember now he was a receiver....

[stevefoxsc]

i smell an aggy

[Hdshrinker]

Actually if he goes D1 on scholarship he'll be TCU or AirForce that we know of.

[dragonfootballfan]

What you have to understand is that mid-season BCS standings don't mean anything. The computers which is one part of the BCS get more and more accurate when more data are entered. As happy as I am that Texas is ranked ahead of USC, I do not agree with it and know that by the end of the season they will be number two unless USC loses. If you think that Texas is not in the top 2 that is your opinion, but you also do not agree with all but 2 or coaches that vote in the coaches poll and 2 or 3 writers that vote in the AP poll. The bottomline is Texas beat a top 25 team by 35 and USC beat a 1-6 team by I think 17 while Alabama beat a 3-3 team by 3 and could not move the ball and Georgia beat 2-5 team by 3 points. I don't know who you thought was the most impressive last week, but I know who I thought was the most impressive.

[dragonfootballfan]

What you have to understand is that mid-season BCS standings don't mean anything. The computers which is one part of the BCS get more and more accurate when more data are entered. As happy as I am that Texas is ranked ahead of USC, I do not agree with it and know that by the end of the season they will be number two unless USC loses. If you think that Texas is not in the top 2 that is your opinion, but you also do not agree with all but 2 or coaches that vote in the coaches poll and 2 or 3 writers that vote in the AP poll. The bottomline is Texas beat a top 25 team by 35 and USC beat a 1-6 team by I think 17 while Alabama beat a 3-3 team by 3 and could not move the ball and Georgia beat 2-5 team by 3 points. I don't know who you thought was the most impressive last week, but I know who I thought was the most impressive.
I forgot Va Tech. They beat a Maryland(4-3 record) team who was in the game until the fourth quarter but the final score was 28-9

[Hdshrinker]

What you have to understand is that mid-season BCS standings don't mean anything. The computers which is one part of the BCS get more and more accurate when more data are entered.

You're going to spoil their day....and you make a very good point...the more data entered the more accurate. What is going to happen when those ranked under Texas are playing teams in the top 10 and top 25 and Texas is playing well......their little brothers?

and I did not think it very impressive that Texas rolled TT. They were supposed to. As intelligent a fellow as you seem to be, you can admit that TT didn't belong ranked up there having played absolutely no one..... 2 Div II teams and?

In fact I thought to myself, that if they were playing a real team, those VY errors would have cost them heavily early in the game.

Low scoring that it was I actually thought that ALA/Tenn game was the most impressive. Not only was that a ranked team but those two schools hate each other ever since Tenn Coach was a witness against ALA in the NCAA investigation. Lot of intensity in that game.

[dragonfootballfan]

Low scoring that it was I actually thought that ALA/Tenn game was the most impressive. Not only was that a ranked team but those two schools hate each other ever since Tenn Coach was a witness against ALA in the NCAA investigation. Lot of intensity in that game.
Alabama will not be able to move the ball on any good defense because they lost Prothro. He is a game changer and was their only offensive threat.

TT is still a top 25 team. Were they overrated in the top 10? Yes, but they are still a top 25 team. The Texas defense stepped up and showed everyone that they are the best defense in the NCAA.

[Hdshrinker]

Alabama will not be able to move the ball on any good defense because they lost Prothro. He is a game changer and was their only offensive threat.

TT is still a top 25 team. Were they overrated in the top 10? Yes, but they are still a top 25 team. The Texas defense stepped up and showed everyone that they are the best defense in the NCAA.

They've still got Hall who has almost as many catches as pro was forcasted to have and more yardage.

[dragonfootballfan]

They've still got Hall who has almost as many catches as pro was forcasted to have and more yardage.
I know, but he is not nearly the thrat that Prothro was.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I truly hate the USC Condoms...everyone on here probably knows that, by now. However, I'm a firm believer of...

If you win the National Championship in the year 2004....until you are beaten, YOU ARE NUMBER 1!!....

.....regardless of what a human voter or computer ranking says. USC should be off limit, until they're beaten! If a Cahmpionship team is weaker the following year, someone should be able to defeat them, in the regular season....or they'll go 11-0 and play for the Championship again.....and then they can be beat, by a STRONG squad.

Honestly, I hate USC -- with a passion, but they're #1, until the Rose Bowl!!

HOOK'EM HORNS!!!!!!!!!

[wide-e-wide]

The voters? Laughing....check the other polls where truly the humans are registered.....the real...errrrr.....voters AP= Texas #2 USA = Texas #2
ESPN = Texas #2 Harris = Texas #2 Hd Shrinker = Texas # 4 , 5 at worst; 3 at best. Any system that had TT ranked 6th/7th is seriously flawed.


This is CLASSIC......not only is the Texas schedule a joke...their coach a joke......but now truly...their ranking is......


***** envy...an aggy tradition.
HDShrinker you are pathetic.

[Hdshrinker]

***** envy...an aggy tradition.
HDShrinker you are pathetic.


You really ought to seek help there wide......this infatuation with *****.....but then maybe that comes from being stuck on a boat for long periods of time.

oh btw....I'm not an aggie and not an aggie fan.......there's only one team in Texas that's amongst the big boys...unfortunately it's being run by a moron.


and lastly.....read above....some of the more intelligent less blinded Texas fans make some good points.

[wide-e-wide]

Standby...you just pissed all the Navy guys off.
And there are quite a few of us on this board.

And I looked all over every single base I was stationed on....
not once did I see a boat...
The Coast Guard has boats...the Navy has ships.

[LeanderLions3033]

IMO opinion Texas is arguably the best team in college football (how can you not argue it, they are undefeated, any team that is undefeated could arguably be te best team). And regardless of what you think, whether it be at one or two Texas has alot of breathing room and will more than likely be playing in the national championship. Is the BCS a joke, yes. Can we do anything about it RIGHT NOW no. If they all go undefeated, VA Tech deserves a shot, Alabama (or Georgia) deserves a shot, and UCLA or USC (the winner wont be undefeated) also deserves a shot. All UT can do is play the teams that are put in front of them from hear on out. You act like UT's whinning last year wasnt right. Texas Tech stomped Cal, and Texas stomped Tech. And the players in the NFL that are producing from Texas are the players from the trenches. Thats what has made Texas so good over the years, do your research. Some team will more than likely get screwed this year and its wrong. But their is nothing anybody can do about it. Don't hate the player (UT/Mack Brown), hate the game (the BCS).

[Hdshrinker]

IMO opinion Texas is arguably the best team in college football (how can you not argue it, they are undefeated, any team that is undefeated could arguably be te best team). And regardless of what you think, whether it be at one or two Texas has alot of breathing room and will more than likely be playing in the national championship. Is the BCS a joke, yes. Can we do anything about it RIGHT NOW no. If they all go undefeated, VA Tech deserves a shot, Alabama (or Georgia) deserves a shot, and UCLA or USC (the winner wont be undefeated) also deserves a shot. All UT can do is play the teams that are put in front of them from hear on out. You act like UT's whinning last year wasnt right. Texas Tech stomped Cal, and Texas stomped Tech. And the players in the NFL that are producing from Texas are the players from the trenches. Thats what has made Texas so good over the years, do your research. Some team will more than likely get screwed this year and its wrong. But their is nothing anybody can do about it. Don't hate the player (UT/Mack Brown), hate the game (the BCS).



The game is not the BCS...the player is not mack brown...and both are moronic......

Tell Me some of those mack brown standouts in the trenches....

[wide-e-wide]

I'm in favor of a playoff system. I say bring 'em on...
But even after Texas beat everybody...there would still
be some moron that says they are over-rated...I don't understand
that...Of course I'm not a hater.

[LeanderLions3033]

Well you got Shaun Rodgers, Casey Hampton (Shaun Rodgers is emerging as one of the leagues best DT's, and Casey Hampton is probably the best Nose Tackle in the league), and Marcus Tubbs. And on the offensive side of the ball you got Lenard Davis, and Mike Williams so far. Johnothan Scott will be the #1 or #2 Tackle taken in the draft, and Justin Blaylock will be a first rounder as well. Also Rod Wright will be the #1 or #2 DT taken in the draft according to most players. Texas is known for putting out linemen and running backs. That hasnt changed this season. You just need to swallow your pride and realize that their is a very good possiblilty that UT could be the best team in America, or at least you could make a very strong argument. I just want you to admit that and i'll be done.

[Hdshrinker]

I'm in favor of a playoff system. I say bring 'em on...
But even after Texas beat everybody...there would still
be some moron that says they are over-rated...I don't understand
that...Of course I'm not a hater.


If they beat someon...anyone of notable reputation.....I'd be happy

[dragonfootballfan]

You just need to swallow your pride and realize that their is a very good possiblilty that UT could be the best team in America, or at least you could make a very strong argument. I just want you to admit that and i'll be done.
he already has. he believes that they are the third, fourth or fifth best team. Most of America disagrees with him, but that is alright.

[Hdshrinker]

Well you got Shaun Rodgers, Casey Hampton (Shaun Rodgers is emerging as one of the leagues best DT's, and Casey Hampton is probably the best Nose Tackle in the league), and Marcus Tubbs. And on the offensive side of the ball you got Lenard Davis, and Mike Williams so far. Johnothan Scott will be the #1 or #2 Tackle taken in the draft, and Justin Blaylock will be a first rounder as well. Also Rod Wright will be the #1 or #2 DT taken in the draft according to most players. Texas is known for putting out linemen and running backs. That hasnt changed this season. You just need to swallow your pride and realize that their is a very good possiblilty that UT could be the best team in America, or at least you could make a very strong argument. I just want you to admit that and i'll be done.


NO ....no...no...you obviously mis-understood the question...not the wannabes..... not the gonnabes...... who are the standouts in the NFL now that have come from mack brown?

[Reaganrattler07]

Wide, you do seem a little obsessed with talking about ***** envy.....well, I won't go further.

BCS Polls are just polls..at the moment....the only time they matter is the last week when Bowl Games are decided.

Texas Tech was overrated since Day 1. They should've been in the high teens-twenties before they played Texas.

As for the BCS Games. I was watching a show on ESPN (can't remember the name, but there's plenty) that were saying "Just throw out the National Title game but still have the BCS Bowl games. Cause if your gonna have four undefeated teams, then it's kinda hard to determine a champion....the reason why they're keeping the Bowl System is because it generates money for each and everyone of those cities.

Now, I was watching another show on ESPN (can't remember the name) and they were saying that if Va. Tech won all of their games, someone may get left out, and it won't be them.

USC should be #1 until beaten. Not just cause a few voters from Texas think they're #1.

[wide-e-wide]

You're kidding right?

[Reaganrattler07]

IMO opinion Texas is arguably the best team in college football (how can you not argue it, they are undefeated, any team that is undefeated could arguably be te best team).

Keyword :arguably

A lot of teams are undefeated, and we may get four of them by season end.

[Hdshrinker]

Wide, you do seem a little obsessed with talking about ***** envy.....well, I won't go further.

BCS Polls are just polls..at the moment....the only time they matter is the last week when Bowl Games are decided.

Texas Tech was overrated since Day 1. They should've been in the high teens-twenties before they played Texas.

As for the BCS Games. I was watching a show on ESPN (can't remember the name, but there's plenty) that were saying "Just throw out the National Title game but still have the BCS Bowl games. Cause if your gonna have four undefeated teams, then it's kinda hard to determine a champion....the reason why they're keeping the Bowl System is because it generates money for each and everyone of those cities.

Now, I was watching another show on ESPN (can't remember the name) and they were saying that if Va. Tech won all of their games, someone may get left out, and it won't be them.

USC should be #1 until beaten. Not just cause a few voters from Texas think they're #1.



Im not a va tech fan...but if they go undefeated they deserve the #2 ranking

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Well you got Shaun Rodgers, Casey Hampton (Shaun Rodgers is emerging as one of the leagues best DT's, and Casey Hampton is probably the best Nose Tackle in the league), and Marcus Tubbs. And on the offensive side of the ball you got Lenard Davis, and Mike Williams so far. Johnothan Scott will be the #1 or #2 Tackle taken in the draft, and Justin Blaylock will be a first rounder as well. Also Rod Wright will be the #1 or #2 DT taken in the draft according to most players. Texas is known for putting out linemen and running backs. That hasnt changed this season. You just need to swallow your pride and realize that their is a very good possiblilty that UT could be the best team in America, or at least you could make a very strong argument. I just want you to admit that and i'll be done.

Don't forget...

Dan Neil...Denver/Carolina
Blake Brockemeyer....Chicago (I think he retired a year or two, ago!)

And 2003 NFL Drafted All-American OT/OG Derrick Dockery...6'7 355 lbs. His brother, Cedric Dockery, will be on that list, as he's a freshman at UT, and he's an athletic speciment on the "O" Line, at 6'4 1/2 318 lbs...he'll easily grow 2 or 3, more, inches and gain about 20 to 25 more pounds of solid muscle!

Texas has always put out the big boys, that can play ball...I should know! ;)

[Reaganrattler07]

Im not a va tech fan...but if they go undefeated they deserve the #2 ranking

They have the tougher schedule in the tougher Division. ACC is still tougher than Big XII.

[dragonfootballfan]

Im not a va tech fan...but if they go undefeated they deserve the #2 ranking
what if the other teams in that league lose several games. If FSU drops a couple and BC and Miami do the same. Those wins don't look nearly as impressive as they would have. It is tough to make a blanket statement like that so early in the season.

[Reaganrattler07]

what if the other teams in that league lose several games. If FSU drops a couple and BC and Miami do the same. Those wins don't look nearly as impressive as they would have. It is tough to make a blanket statement like that so early in the season.

And it's tough to say Texas is going to the Rose Bowl.

[wide-e-wide]

If I'm obsessed with it...it's because I'm surrounded by people that have it.

Good Lord...why do you people get so much pleasure from this?
They are undefeated...and a damn good team.

Even as much as I hate aggy...if it were aggy in this situation...I would have to give them props.

Va. Tech has been exposed.
Texas ...thus far has only been tested once.
And Jamaal Charles didn't have to shove Vince in the endzone
for them to beat Ohio St.

[Hdshrinker]

If I'm obsessed with it...it's because I'm surrounded by people that have it.

Good Lord...why do you people get so much pleasure from this?
They are undefeated...and a damn good team.

Even as much as I hate aggy...if it were aggy in this situation...I would have to give them props.

Va. Tech has been exposed.
Texas ...thus far has only been tested once.
And Jamaal Charles didn't have to shove Vince in the endzone
for them to beat Ohio St.


I'm glad to see you admit to it...that's the first process of healing.....


Va Tech is exposed? LOL...they are undefeated as are many others that don't play their little brothers.....

[wide-e-wide]

I'm still trying to figure out your previous comment...
Were you trying to say that being on a ship causes one to
become a homosexual?
Might want to check the male/female ratio for the US Navy...
before you make a ******** statement like that.
Hell...TexasFrog is a SEAL...why don't you meet up with him
and question his sexuality? That would be interesting to see....
It's a dumb stereotype...that many Sailors (myself included)
take serious offense to....not cool bro...not cool at all.

[Reaganrattler07]

I'm glad to see you admit to it...that's the first process of healing.....


Va Tech is exposed? LOL...they are undefeated as are many others that don't play their little brothers.....

Apparently if someone disagrees with him it's ***** envy....

The Hokies get exposed because a team that morally hates them scores 9 points on them? Dang.....I guess we were exposed.

[Hdshrinker]

I'm still trying to figure out your previous comment...
Were you trying to say that being on a ship causes one to
become a homosexual?
Might want to check the male/female ratio for the US Navy...
before you make a ******** statement like that.
Hell...TexasFrog is a SEAL...why don't you meet up with him
and question his sexuality? That would be interesting to see....
It's a dumb stereotype...that many Sailors (myself included)
take serious offense to....not cool bro...not cool at all.


*Chuckles * you are so easy to rile wide......but I wonder why they take offense? It wouldn't bother Me......and the male /female ratio was much lower when you were there wide.....*chuckles*

[wide-e-wide]

We?
What position do you play?

[Reaganrattler07]

We?
What position do you play?

I'm guessing this post was directed to me? I play the position of the Fan :D

Wide, if I remember I've seen you use "we" quite a bit, we all use it. But I guess you can only see things one way.

[dragonfootballfan]

I'm glad to see you admit to it...that's the first process of healing.....


Va Tech is exposed? LOL...they are undefeated as are many others that don't play their little brothers.....
Their schedule so far has not nearly been as hard as Texas or USC's schedule. It may get harder and it may not, depending on how their opponents do. FSU was exposed last week and then Virginia lost this week. Miami lost to that same FSU team that lost to Virginia in the week of the season. Boston College lost to FSU, but other than that game has not played anyone challenging. Those teams could be just as overrated as Texas Tech was or they could beat Va Tech. They also could be underrated as well. We will find out at the end of the season.

The thing that I do not understand about college football this season is Notre Dame. They lost at home to a bad Michigan State team that got blown out by Northwestern. They lost at home to USC in a great game but still suffered their second home loss of the season. They beat are really overrated Michigan team that lost their best offensive player in that game. They beat a very overrated Pitt team and a terrible Washington team. What have they done to deserve a top ten rating that 15 other teams haven't. They have two home losses and at this point in the season do not deserve the top ten.

[Hdshrinker]

I'm guessing this post was directed to me? I play the position of the Fan :D

Wide, if I remember I've seen you use "we" quite a bit, we all use it. But I guess you can only see things one way.


When you have nothing else of value to attack...wel...you go for what is there....

At the end of the day.....Texas strength of schedule even eats at them.....

[HOOKEM]

Actually if he goes D1 on scholarship he'll be TCU or AirForce that we know of.

Yes and u will probably be voting them into your top 25.
everyone on this board can see that you have a biased opinion as do I, but to call Texas a joke makes you look like a joke. Everyone in the nation can see that Texas has handled every opponent they have played. There is still alot of football left so stop hating and smell the roses.

It would be funny if your kid ended up in A&M so they could get their A$$ handed to them all 4 years by the joke U.

[Reaganrattler07]

Yes and u will probably be voting them into your top 25.
everyone on this board can see that you have a biased opinion as do I, but to call Texas a joke makes you look like a joke. Everyone in the nation can see that Texas has handled every opponent they have played. There is still alot of football left so stop hating and smell the roses.

It would be funny if your kid ended up in A&M so they could get their A$$ handed to them all 4 years by the joke U.

They've handled everyone cause they haven't played anyone...with the exception of Ohio State which, they were exposed as frauds as they have dropped to 13 and haven't been as good as people though they were. Virginia had a huge fluke against FSU.

[Hdshrinker]

Yes and u will probably be voting them into your top 25.
everyone on this board can see that you have a biased opinion as do I, but to call Texas a joke makes you look like a joke. Everyone in the nation can see that Texas has handled every opponent they have played. There is still alot of football left so stop hating and smell the roses.

It would be funny if your kid ended up in A&M so they could get their A$$ handed to them all 4 years by the joke U.


No...Im a realist......and Texas hasn't had an opponent.....

I have one kid at A&M...and it is funny...she's there on scholarship while I bank the money.....if He goes there...and they wanta pay for it...oh well...there is life after footabll....ask the supposed great one....

[HOOKEM]

Wide, you do seem a little obsessed with talking about ***** envy.....well, I won't go further.

BCS Polls are just polls..at the moment....the only time they matter is the last week when Bowl Games are decided.

Texas Tech was overrated since Day 1. They should've been in the high teens-twenties before they played Texas.

As for the BCS Games. I was watching a show on ESPN (can't remember the name, but there's plenty) that were saying "Just throw out the National Title game but still have the BCS Bowl games. Cause if your gonna have four undefeated teams, then it's kinda hard to determine a champion....the reason why they're keeping the Bowl System is because it generates money for each and everyone of those cities.

Now, I was watching another show on ESPN (can't remember the name) and they were saying that if Va. Tech won all of their games, someone may get left out, and it won't be them.

USC should be #1 until beaten. Not just cause a few voters from Texas think they're #1.
Actually crack addict, one of the two voters that flopped Texas is from a North Carolina paper. I really don't care who is one or two, they can settle it on the field, but all talk about Texas from You haters is getting old. Like you said Polls are just polls and until Texas plays USC we really won't know who is no.1. I give all the teams credit that are undefeated to date. Let's just wait and see what happens then you can skew up some crow.

[HOOKEM]

They've handled everyone cause they haven't played anyone...with the exception of Ohio State which, they were exposed as frauds as they have dropped to 13 and haven't been as good as people though they were. Virginia had a huge fluke against FSU.

There you go again They have not played anyone "Except".
You like that word.
Texas beats ohio state "Exception"
Virginia beats FSU "Fluke" guess that means you give FSU a weekend pass.

You are such a biased hating joker it is not even funny.
Like my signature says I am biased but I respect what USC and Tech have done. You on the other hand are looking at ways to discredit anything and everything Texas has done because you have obviously been jaded by something in the past

[ThEgReAtOnE]

So much hostility on here! The fact is you're #1 until you're beaten! It should be the same, anywhere...in any sport!

BEAT USC, THEN WE'LL SAY UT IS #1!!!


And OMG I WANT UT TO WIN SO BAD!!!!

I HATE USC, WITH A PASSION!!

[HOOKEM]

No...Im a realist......and Texas hasn't had an opponent.....

I have one kid at A&M...and it is funny...she's there on scholarship while I bank the money.....if He goes there...and they wanta pay for it...oh well...there is life after footabll....ask the supposed great one....

I am sure that if your kid got a free ride to Texas you would still be hating every weekend. It would be pretty sad to see you bashing your kids team then.

[Reaganrattler07]

How am I a crack addict all of a sudden?

Why do you all get riled up when I tell you all what the rest of the country is thinking? Have you not watched news from OUTSIDE of Texas? People are laughing at the idea of Texas being #1. In fact, people are predicting they fall to 3. And the weasel won't have anything to complain about this year because the teams replacing him have had tougher schedules.

Face it, osu is NOT what people thought they were. Texas Tech should never have been in the top 10 to begin with.

[HOOKEM]

So much hostility on here! The fact is you're #1 until you're beaten! It should be the same, anywhere...in any sport!

BEAT USC, THEN WE'LL SAY UT IS #1!!!


And OMG I WANT UT TO WIN SO BAD!!!!

I HATE USC, WITH A PASSION!!
I agree and have no problem with USC at number one as I am sure they will be again after next weeks game against OSU. I would rather playit and winit or lose it on the field.

[Hdshrinker]

I am sure that if your kid got a free ride to Texas you would still be hating every weekend. It would be pretty sad to see you bashing your kids team then.

I almost pray that he doesn't

[zippy]

ND should be #1

[HOOKEM]

How am I a crack addict all of a sudden?

Why do you all get riled up when I tell you all what the rest of the country is thinking? Have you not watched news from OUTSIDE of Texas? People are laughing at the idea of Texas being #1. In fact, people are predicting they fall to 3. And the weasel won't have anything to complain about this year because the teams replacing him have had tougher schedules.

Face it, osu is NOT what people thought they were. Texas Tech should never have been in the top 10 to begin with.

Rest of the country? Last I checked the coaches poll and AP writers were all not based in Texas. Somebody had to vote for Texas.

[Reaganrattler07]

Rest of the country? Last I checked the coaches poll and AP writers were all not based in Texas. Somebody had to vote for Texas.

Please tell me you don't think that there only coahces beyond the borders of this 'great' State. Heck, I'm watching ESPN and even they said that Texas has the easiest schedule.

[HOOKEM]

I almost pray that he doesn't

Yes me to. That would make you look bad.
Send him to A&M that way he can get a degree to farm.

[HOOKEM]

Please tell me you don't think that there only coahces beyond the borders of this 'great' State. Heck, I'm watching ESPN and even they said that Texas has the easiest schedule.
That is your problem you watch to much ESPN. Form your own biased opinion and stop asking everyone to think for you.

[Hdshrinker]

ND should be #1


laughing.........you have to beat #1 to be #1.......

[Hdshrinker]

Rest of the country? Last I checked the coaches poll and AP writers were all not based in Texas. Somebody had to vote for Texas.


LAST I checked ALL the coaches polls had UT #2 behind USC.....still an anomaly...but at least not the joke that it is today....

[HOOKEM]

laughing.........you have to beat #1 to be #1.......


I actually agree with the shrunken head on this one. Texas will have to beat USC to claim #1. But even the Redskin and Shrunken head will still think of some lame excuse to discredit them.
As for the crack head comment redskin, what else would make a grown man put on a Dress and pigs nose for a freakin football game.

[wide-e-wide]

*Chuckles * you are so easy to rile wide......but I wonder why they take offense? It wouldn't bother Me......and the male /female ratio was much lower when you were there wide.....*chuckles*


You act like I got out 30 years ago...
My official discharge date was Feb 2005...
It's not funny dude.
And of course it wouldn't bother you...you have no integrity.
You never served and belonged to something that you are proud of...
If you did..you would know that making those statements is not cool.
I'm not riled....I'm dumbfounded.
How is insulting your country funny?

[Hdshrinker]

You act like I got out 30 years ago...
My official discharge date was Feb 2005...
It's not funny dude.
And of course it wouldn't bother you...you have no integrity.
You never served and belonged to something that you are proud of...
If you did..you would know that making those statements is not cool.
I'm not riled....I'm dumbfounded.
How is insulting your country funny?


Insulting My country? I toured for My country moron...I wasn't insulting my country moron...I was insulting your fascination for *****'s and attributing it to your long stays in the "boat". But then you knew that.....I served while you were still wet behind the ears....I see why you get banned ...you got issues lad and you ought to get them adjusted before you start attacking people's integrity that you havent the slightest knowledge of who they are.....all because of a team that is a facade.....

[Hdshrinker]

I actually agree with the shrunken head on this one. Texas will have to beat USC to claim #1. But even the Redskin and Shrunken head will still think of some lame excuse to discredit them.
As for the crack head comment redskin, what else would make a grown man put on a Dress and pigs nose for a freakin football game.


I'll repeat...if Texas beats anyone of note....someone...anyone....then we can talk about rank......and TT don't count......until then.....you might be right...they might make it to the roses...and embarrass us once again.

[wide-e-wide]

You insulted your country by making a horrible attempt at a joke.
Saying that a person has a fascination with *****' because he was in
the Navy and served onboard a ship. That's how.........
How the hell would you know what goes on onboard a ship?
Loser....
And if you served this country...why would it ....for one second be funny
to insult a fellow veteran? Why?
The Navy jokes are old and tired...And I am positive I am not the only board member who thinks this...
It's a good way to get a visit to your dentist if you say it to me.
And don't worry about me being banned...mind your business.

[Hdshrinker]

You insulted your country by making a horrible attempt at a joke.
Saying that a person has a fascination with *****' because he was in
the Navy and served onboard a ship. That's how.........
How the hell would you know what goes on onboard a ship?
Loser....
And if you served this country...why would it ....for one second be funny
to insult a fellow veteran? Why?
The Navy jokes are old and tired...And I am positive I am not the only board member who thinks this...
It's a good way to get a visit to your dentist if you say it to me.
And don't worry about me being banned...mind your business.


Big man behind a little screen issuing threats now wide? 2nd Division IndianHead patch Lad...... better bring your lunch and lay off the beer....


You can make it a country issue if you whine enough...reminds me of mack...but it's a ***** issue...and you keep bringing it up...that's why as hard as you try to get some of your fellows to join you they aren't.......I am a veteran lad.....it ain't about that...it's about cheap shots that you keep labeling people with...if you can't stand the heat...get out of the kitchen

[Reaganrattler07]

Yes me to. That would make you look bad.
Send him to A&M that way he can get a degree to farm.

Or he could do what my sister did. Graduate summa cum laude in architecture and make 30+ bucks an hour, drive a corvette and live in a luxury apartment in San Francisco.....

[Hdshrinker]

Or he could do what my sister did. Graduate summa cum laude in architecture and make 30+ bucks an hour, drive a corvette and live in a luxury apartment in San Francisco.....


LOL....Ive got a brother-n-law who graduated from Texas....he sells cars....

[HOOKEM]

Or he could do what my sister did. Graduate summa cum laude in architecture and make 30+ bucks an hour, drive a corvette and live in a luxury apartment in San Francisco.....
You need 30 an hour to live above poverty in Cali.

[wide-e-wide]

Did I wonder into a freakin' Irish Spring commercial?
How many times can you call someone lad in one post?

My point was ...your attempt at a joke was lame.
And very offensive...and I'm not trying to employ any of
my shipmates to come rescue me. I'm sure when they read this
they will respond.

I respect the fact that you are a veteran. And I would never
dream of insulting your service to this country or the branch in which you were a part of...I was raised better than that. My old man did 2 tours in the 'Nam...and is still my hero...and a damn good Marine. He taught me
to always respect fellow veterans...to always shake their hand...to consider
them your brother for the rest of your life. I try very hard to honor his wishes.

Your little joke was out of line and you know it.
And the fact that you are a veteran makes it even worse.
That's why you have no integrity.

[HOOKEM]

Madison won't last long? Redskin I am seeing this all over the board. Where did it originate?

[Hdshrinker]

Did I wonder into a freakin' Irish Spring commercial?
How many times can you call someone lad in one post?

My point was ...your attempt at a joke was lame.
And very offensive...and I'm not trying to employ any of
my shipmates to come rescue me. I'm sure when they read this
they will respond.

I respect the fact that you are a veteran. And I would never
dream of insulting your service to this country or the branch in which you were a part of...I was raised better than that. My old man did 2 tours in the 'Nam...and is still my hero...and a damn good Marine. He taught me
to always respect fellow veterans...to always shake their hand...to consider
them your brother for the rest of your life. I try very hard to honor his wishes.

Your little joke was out of line and you know it.
And the fact that you are a veteran makes it even worse.
That's why you have no integrity.



NO...it wasn't out of line...that's exactly what you don't see wide......no more than it is for you to be incessant over *****'s and attributing it to someone else..... what's good for the goose...is good for the gander....you just throw stuff out there and expect it to be taken....if you want respect be respectful.....glad to see your wife calmed you down though..... *chuckles*

And you know nothing about My integrity...I am in a business that demands and legislates just that wide.....

[Reaganrattler07]

You need 30 an hour to live above poverty in Cali.

30+....what does that mean? Do you really think I wanna be talking about how much my sister makes?

[Reaganrattler07]

Madison won't last long? Redskin I am seeing this all over the board. Where did it originate?

Lol, it was a joke with mad_fan....I'm pulling for Madison though.

[HOOKEM]

I'll repeat...if Texas beats anyone of note....someone...anyone....then we can talk about rank......and TT don't count......until then.....you might be right...they might make it to the roses...and embarrass us once again.

Biased once again. Simple fact of the matter is that Ohio State is higher ranked in the BCS than any other opponent that the top 3 have played this year. No matter how You sugar coat it Notre dame lost twice at home.

[wide-e-wide]

A veteran making comments that question another veteran's sexuality....
Outstanding integrity bro...
The fact that the University of Texas can't do anything without all of the haters coming out the woodworks to down them...and say they are over-rated...proves my point...it's envy...it's little man syndrome...get over it. Be glad that a team from Texas has a shot at a national championship...possibly it's second such title in one year...Why all the hate?
And my wife has nothing to do with this....is that another attempt at a joke?
Dude you are out of control...first you insinuate I might be fascinated with men's genitals because of time serving in the Navy....and now you talk about my wife?
Maybe it is a good thing I am behind a computer...Because I would definitely be adding another assault charge to my list.
Just go away dude...you ain't worth it.
Welcome to the ignore list.

[Reaganrattler07]

Biased once again. Simple fact of the matter is that Ohio State is higher ranked in the BCS than any other opponent that the top 3 have played this year. No matter how You sugar coat it Notre dame lost twice at home.

Bias? Or truth? Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

Ohio State THEN was ranked higher....but now they've dropped...a lot.

[HOOKEM]

Bias? Or truth? Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

Ohio State THEN was ranked higher....but now they've dropped...a lot.

Still have a higher BCS rating than any of the top three opponents so far to date.

[Reaganrattler07]

Be glad that a team from Texas has a shot at a national championship...

Why? It'll be a cold day in hell when I root for the weasel. I like Texas High School Football but on the College level, Texas football is overrated.

[HOOKEM]

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Shrunken head and Redskin for helping boost my post total. I had a pretty good tally last year till the site got wiped out.
Lucky post #69

[Reaganrattler07]

Still have a higher BCS rating than any of the top three opponents so far to date.

# 7 Miami. Ohio State is #13.....I'm too lazy to go into USC's schedule but wasn't Notre Dame ranked high last week?

[HOOKEM]

# 7 Miami. Ohio State is #13.....I'm too lazy to go into USC's schedule but wasn't Notre Dame ranked high last week?
Note to self, Miami has not played Va Tech yet. Notre dame is in the top 10 because they are the media darling. They still have two losses. Everyone seems to give them a pass for losing to Michigan state. Note I said BCS rating, Notre dame would stay around the top 10 if they lost out, thanks to the media giant

Notre Dame #15 BCS

[Reaganrattler07]

Note to self, Miami has not played Va Tech yet. Notre dame is in the top 10 because they are the media darling. They still have two losses. Everyone seems to give them a pass for losing to Michigan state. Note I said BCS rating, Notre dame would stay around the top 10 if they lost out, thanks to the media giant

Note to self, Texas is not yet in the Rose Bowl.

[HOOKEM]

Note to self, Texas is not yet in the Rose Bowl.
You are correct I realize that but they will be and it is eating you alive!

[dragons08]

i just realized you guys are having a little fight going on in here, being the voice of reason that i am...your both right! ;)

[HOOKEM]

I am just having passionate convo with redskin. He's alright.

[Reaganrattler07]

You are correct I realize that but they will be and it is eating you alive!

Hahahahahahahahaha, you got anymore jokes? The only thing eating me alive is my history test tomorrow. And the anticipation of seeing all my Cowpuke fans tomorrow.

If Virginia Tech goes undefeated, we may see different rankings.

[dragons08]

I am just having passionate convo with redskin. He's alright.
passionate eh? i'll be stepping out of this chat..

[Reaganrattler07]

passionate eh? i'll be stepping out of this chat..

It was a "heated debate" with hook'em....no hard feelings.

[Hdshrinker]

A veteran making comments that question another veteran's sexuality....
Outstanding integrity bro...
The fact that the University of Texas can't do anything without all of the haters coming out the woodworks to down them...and say they are over-rated...proves my point...it's envy...it's little man syndrome...get over it. Be glad that a team from Texas has a shot at a national championship...possibly it's second such title in one year...Why all the hate?
And my wife has nothing to do with this....is that another attempt at a joke?
Dude you are out of control...first you insinuate I might be fascinated with men's genitals because of time serving in the Navy....and now you talk about my wife?
Maybe it is a good thing I am behind a computer...Because I would definitely be adding another assault charge to my list.
Just go away dude...you ain't worth it.
Welcome to the ignore list.


It's always better to live in denial that face the facts......for some people....
1) You questioned your own sexuality with the constant ***** focus.
2) And you speak of integrity.....integrity demands that if a Texas team has a shot at a national title that it is a shot earned.....otherwise it's a fallacy and anything but integrity...an embarrassment...WE in Texas don't want anything given to us....we earn it. No hate......true I don't like Mack Brown....but no hate...I don't like the tuna either....but no hate....a game is not worth hate.....
3) Again in the same post you bring up men's genitals.....
4) If you must insist that I talked about your wife...at least I did it with respect. Someone must control you....or did you take your meds?
5) and then...another threat....*Chuckles.....


You are a real piece of work wide......Frankly...I'm honored to be on your ignore list.......birds of a feather fly together...and frankly I am glad I'm not in your flock.....and no...that's not an air force slam.....LOL

[HOOKEM]

Hahahahahahahahaha, you got anymore jokes? The only thing eating me alive is my history test tomorrow. And the anticipation of seeing all my Cowpuke fans tomorrow.

If Virginia Tech goes undefeated, we may see different rankings.

May is the key word, but Tech has to Pass Texas in the human polls to have a chance and right now they are not even close.

[Reaganrattler07]

May is the key word, but Tech has to Pass Texas in the human polls to have a chance and right now they are not even close.

right now is the keyword in your statement

I have a feeling that if Tech does go undefeated the human voters will change their minds....

[dragonfootballfan]

right now is the keyword in your statement

I have a feeling that if Tech does go undefeated the human voters will change their minds....
I doubt it. Texas has such a huge lead and a few first place votes. They will not drop unless they lose. The computers will not drop Texas lower than 3rd or 4th and then they will still be ahead of Virginia Tech.

[Hdshrinker]

I doubt it. Texas has such a huge lead and a few first place votes. They will not drop unless they lose. The computers will not drop Texas lower than 3rd or 4th and then they will still be ahead of Virginia Tech.


If they drop 3rd...and Va Tech goes undefeated......they are in trouble....

[dragonfootballfan]

If they drop 3rd...and Va Tech goes undefeated......they are in trouble....
nope. Two thirds of the BCS is the human polls. If Texas is 2nd in both human polls and third in the computers while Va Tech is third in both human polls and second in the computers it won't matter.

[HOOKEM]

This is risky skin, but I am going to call my shot in advance that way it is documented. You should do the same.
I think Va tech will lose to Miami. As much as I hate the U they are really starting to play offense finally. Then they will beat FSU in the Championship game.

Georgia is done if Shockley can't play, they will lose at least one.
Alabama will lose to Auburn or LSU or both.

I think you can agree that Texas should run the table and I will call that.

That could mean that the winner of the USC/UCLA game could play in the Rose Bowl for the national title against Texas.

Would that be a shocker UCLA in the Title game. Who would have thunkit.
I will still say USC vs Texas

This is my biased outlook well see in time.

[Hdshrinker]

This is risky skin, but I am going to call my shot in advance that way it is documented. You should do the same.
I think Va tech will lose to Miami. As much as I hate the U they are really starting to play offense finally. Then they will beat FSU in the Championship game.

Georgia is done if Shockley can't play, they will lose at least one.
Alabama will lose to Auburn or LSU or both.

I think you can agree that Texas should run the table and I will call that.

That could mean that the winner of the USC/UCLA game could play in the Rose Bowl for the national title against Texas.

Would that be a shocker UCLA in the Title game. Who would have thunkit.
I will still say USC vs Texas

This is my biased outlook well see in time.


That's no risk hookem......odds are it's going to play out just that way.....and then...once again we will be embarrassed.....I'd rather we not get there under these circumstances.....

[HOOKEM]

Beetle juice, I thought you went to bed.

[Hdshrinker]

nope. Two thirds of the BCS is the human polls. If Texas is 2nd in both human polls and third in the computers while Va Tech is third in both human polls and second in the computers it won't matter.

As we see though...the bcs ranks teams higher than the human polls....if Texas is 3rd in the BCS they will be fourth or fifth in the human polls......

[dragonfootballfan]

As we see though...the bcs ranks teams higher than the human polls....if Texas is 3rd in the BCS they will be fourth or fifth in the human polls......
how is this possible. It ranks teams using a formula, not by arbitrarily assigning people rankings. That does not make any sense. It ranks teams lower too. USC is number one in both human polls, but second in the BCS. Your logic is terrible

[HOOKEM]

As we see though...the bcs ranks teams higher than the human polls....if Texas is 3rd in the BCS they will be fourth or fifth in the human polls......
Your sniffing glue to think Texas would drop to 4th or 5th in the human polls.
They will stay at no.2 unless they lose. You wanna call your shot. Does Texas lose any before the post season?

[Hdshrinker]

how is this possible. It ranks teams using a formula, not by arbitrarily assigning people rankings. That does not make any sense. It ranks teams lower too. USC is number one in both human polls, but second in the BCS. Your logic is terrible


Texas is #1 in the bcs and in all 3 other polls (human) #2 therein lies My logic......

[Hdshrinker]

Your sniffing glue to think Texas would drop to 4th or 5th in the human polls.
They will stay at no.2 unless they lose. You wanna call your shot. Does Texas lose any before the post season?


That's really a hard shot to call.....everything tells Me no way...no way do they lose to a lay down schedule....Heck...even I can coach them to an undefeated season with jamal and vince and playing against the little brothers....but then...there is the weasal factor...but no...I'll call My shot here.....they go undefeated.....if any other team goes undefeated that are currently in the top 4...they leap frog Texas b/c of strength of schedule....

[HOOKEM]

That's really a hard shot to call.....everything tells Me no way...no way do they lose to a lay down schedule....Heck...even I can coach them to an undefeated season with jamal and vince and playing against the little brothers....but then...there is the weasal factor...but no...I'll call My shot here.....they go undefeated.....if any other team goes undefeated that are currently in the top 4...they leap frog Texas b/c of strength of schedule....

Glad you stepped up.
Well see who is right soon enough.

[Hdshrinker]

Glad you stepped up.
Well see who is right soon enough.


At the end of the day...I always step up hookem....even when it's not a popular thing to do.....it's easy to go with the crowd......

[HOOKEM]

At the end of the day...I always step up hookem....even when it's not a popular thing to do.....it's easy to go with the crowd......

Yes, but in my case I have been running with the orange crowd since my daddy taught me how to make the hookem sign. No bandwagon here.

Applewhite is still #1 in my book.

[Reaganrattler07]

I'll go ahead and just wait until the final polls. I still think the Hokies can go undefeated.

[Hdshrinker]

Yes, but in my case I have been running with the orange crowd since my daddy taught me how to make the hookem sign. No bandwagon here.

Applewhite is still #1 in my book.


I was a longhorn fan for many...many years.....I grew up a UT fan...and I am older than most of you.....then mack brown came...and with anticipation I waited...and I watch him lose a championship when a qb named Applewhite would have taken us to the top.......after that I swore....as long as that moron was there.....I would find any other team to root for.... OK was My hero for years...but even that wouldn't get the weasal fired....then last year...it went from bad to worse...he embarrassed our state by crying like a woman.....

When the spurs trade Sean Elliot to Chiago I swore off them until they would bring him back...to My surprise they did.....I'm holding out for mack to get fired.......It's my greatest hope that he remembers he's mack the weasal and trips up...maybe even to A& M LOL......

[GTown02]

Your going to be waiting a while... Mack, besides the "whining" last season, has only brought 10 win seasons for the Longhorns... How was Texas pre-mack days? Terrible... He brought the recruits and the wins back to Texas... I may not agree with the coaches he keeps around him (Greg Davis), or choosing to play Simms instead of Major, but the alum would be stupid to get rid of Mack...

[Hdshrinker]

Your going to be waiting a while... Mack, besides the "whining" last season, has only brought 10 win seasons for the Longhorns... How was Texas pre-mack days? Terrible... He brought the recruits and the wins back to Texas... I may not agree with the coaches he keeps around him (Greg Davis), or choosing to play Simms instead of Major, but the alum would be stupid to get rid of Mack...


The weasal seems to be a great recruiter...which tells Me he should be a car salesman.....I'd rather have bad days than days where I couldn't look in the mirror and face what I see.

[Rerun]

Hd, The Spurs never traded him to Chicago. They traded him to Detroit.

[dragonfootballfan]

Texas is #1 in the bcs and in all 3 other polls (human) #2 therein lies My logic......
what about USC. Number one in both human and #2 in the BCS. It does not make any sense

[Hdshrinker]

Hd, The Spurs never traded him to Chicago. They traded him to Detroit.
Yep...them too.....for Rodman......class for ***.....

[ThEgReAtOnE]

what about USC. Number one in both human and #2 in the BCS. It does not make any sense

Well, that was the "reason" for having created the BCS....so that we could stop the argument of human polling! But then again, we kept human polls alive, so the BCS proves no point, and excists to trick us out our mindset, which is....

PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Until we have a playoff system....College Football will suffer!

[dragonfootballfan]

Well, that was the "reason" for having created the BCS....so that we could stop the argument of human polling! But then again, we kept human polls alive, so the BCS proves no point, and excists to trick us out our mindset, which is....

PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Until we have a playoff system....College Football will suffer!
I was refferring to the post that I quoted above, not the BCS system

[GoOwls]

Apparently if someone disagrees with him it's ***** envy....

The Hokies get exposed because a team that morally hates them scores 9 points on them? Dang.....I guess we were exposed.

I wasn't aware you played for the Hokie Pokies.....you said we. :D

[GoOwls]

*Chuckles * you are so easy to rile wide......but I wonder why they take offense? It wouldn't bother Me......and the male /female ratio was much lower when you were there wide.....*chuckles*

Hey Wide, do real men "chuckle"? I thought Chuckles was a clown.......now I guess it's just what jealous haters do.

[Primetime536]

ok, usc wins out VTECH wins out, we see a NC game between usc and VT

[dragonfootballfan]

ok, usc wins out VTECH wins out, we see a NC game between usc and VT
That is not necessarily true. It may or may not come to fruition. It depends on more than winning and losing, which is one of the reasons that the BCS is ridiculous.

[GoOwls]

Or he could do what my sister did. Graduate summa cum laude in architecture and make 30+ bucks an hour, drive a corvette and live in a luxury apartment in San Francisco.....

UPS drivers make more than that per hour and without an aggy degree, only a HS diploma or a GED. Leave it to aggy to go to school and come out making less than a UPS driver. Do you haters ever think before you type?

[Hdshrinker]

Hey Wide, do real men "chuckle"? I thought Chuckles was a clown.......now I guess it's just what jealous haters do.


What would he know about real men??? First he's got this ***** thing now you 're telling me he's a real man kinda guy? Crap...this just gets uglier.....

[GoOwls]

NO...it wasn't out of line...that's exactly what you don't see wide......no more than it is for you to be incessant over *****'s and attributing it to someone else..... what's good for the goose...is good for the gander....you just throw stuff out there and expect it to be taken....if you want respect be respectful.....glad to see your wife calmed you down though..... *chuckles*

And you know nothing about My integrity...I am in a business that demands and legislates just that wide.....

Wide uses wild statements, including ***** references, as part of his trash talking. You may not like it, but that is his style. He was just doing what he does when he made the reference and you should know it, you've had enough posts to know. You crossed the line by making the military reference, granted borderline, but the fact you were in the military makes it deplorable. As for my military pedigree, both grandfathers in France in WWI, father in Pearl Harbor for 3 1/2 years in WWII, an uncle at sea in the Pacific on a destroyer for 3 years in WWII, one son in the 4th ID and a first wave infantry guy into Iraq and served for 16 months kicking in doors there and is presently in his 7th year in the military, and another son is now, as we speak, on the ground and kicking in doors in Afghanistan and will be there until May 06. As an experienced military family man, I think you should be ashamed of yourself........I don't think you are......but you don't appear to have the "esprit de corps".

[farmerfan]

UPS drivers make more than that per hour and without an aggy degree, only a HS diploma or a GED. Leave it to aggy to go to school and come out making less than a UPS driver. Do you haters ever think before you type?

I worked for UPS for 3 years at DFW airport and it depends on what kind of driver you are talking about. Package car drivers do not make that kind of money, it is the cross country hauling that makes that kind of money. In order to drive a 18 wheeler accross country you have to be at UPS for a long long time.

[Hdshrinker]

Wide uses wild statements, including ***** references, as part of his trash talking. You may not like it, but that is his style. He was just doing what he does when he made the reference and you should know it, you've had enough posts to know. You crossed the line by making the military reference, granted borderline, but the fact you were in the military makes it deplorable. As for my military pedigree, both grandfathers in France in WWI, father in Pearl Harbor for 3 1/2 years in WWII, an uncle at sea in the Pacific on a destroyer for 3 years in WWII, one son in the 4th ID and a first wave infantry guy into Iraq and served for 16 months kicking in doors there and is presently in his 7th year in the military, and another son is now, as we speak, on the ground and kicking in doors in Afghanistan and will be there until May 06. As an experienced military family man, I think you should be ashamed of yourself........I don't think you are......but you don't appear to have the "esprit de corps".



You are right...I am not ashamed of Myself.....not in the least....I served My time...and proud that I did...if the moron wants to insult people along those lines...then he takes it along those lines..... perhaps he ought to take a step back.....and you supporting him does nothing but enable his ineptness....trash talk and you get trashed talked....necessary force we called it......and when you have walked in My shoes...tell Me about the espirit de corps..... You tell Me about your grandfathers...father and your sons...what about you?

[GoOwls]

Texas is #1 in the bcs and in all 3 other polls (human) #2 therein lies My logic......

So your "logic" is that the people polls who include coaches and writers, etc. with and agenda, are more accurate that a computer poll that doesn't have the chance of bias as it simply follows a formula and reaches a result?

Your "logic" is "illogical", to say the least. Are you aggy?

Also, oh "logical one", where was the disgrace in last years' Rose Bowl? That game is widely regarded as one of the greatest in NCAA history and became an "Instant Classic" on ESPN Classic.

Momma always said it's better to let folks think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Foot taste good?

[Hdshrinker]

So your "logic" is that the people polls who include coaches and writers, etc. with and agenda, are more accurate that a computer poll that doesn't have the chance of bias as it simply follows a formula and reaches a result?

Your "logic" is "illogical", to say the least. Are you aggy?

Also, oh "logical one", where was the disgrace in last years' Rose Bowl? That game is widely regarded as one of the greatest in NCAA history and became an "Instant Classic" on ESPN Classic.

Momma always said it's better to let folks think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Foot taste good?


My logic is that those who know the game including coaches and those who make their living off the game know best...they rank Texas #2. Common sense says that if you are ranked #1 and you haven't lost.....you are still #1....


An aggy? Is that your rebuttal?


And when are you going to answer me about your personal military experience? or are you?


There is a saying....that wise men speak because they have something to say...and fools speak to have something to say....guess where you fit?

[GoOwls]

You are right...I am not ashamed of Myself.....not in the least....I served My time...and proud that I did...if the moron wants to insult people along those lines...then he takes it along those lines..... perhaps he ought to take a step back.....and you supporting him does nothing but enable his ineptness....trash talk and you get trashed talked....necessary force we called it......and when you have walked in My shoes...tell Me about the espirit de corps..... You tell Me about your grandfathers...father and your sons...what about you?

I was pretty sure a low class guy would go there about my military stuff. Well, there isn't any, because I have had epilepsy since age 12. I had 36 gran mall seizures from age 12 through 14. My seizures have been controlled since age 14, but the military won't take you with a history of a seizure disorder. I didn't realize that at the time and took the ASVAB test my senior year. I scored a total 94th percentile and all 4 branches were calling me up with offers. The army was the best, with 2 years college and going in as a Warrant Officer with the option to go to West Point for the final 2 years if I qualified, but I told the Colonel that came to my house that I had a history of epilepsy and he said I ruined his day. I wanted to continue the family history, it just wasn't in God's plan. I'd have been retired 9 years now if I could have gotten in.

So, smart guy, make fun of my epilepsy and say it's a homo thing that I couldn't serve.

I'm so proud my boys have taken up the slack and are serving to protect your right to be so heartless.

[Hdshrinker]

I was pretty sure a low class guy would go there about my military stuff. Well, there isn't any, because I have had epilepsy since age 12. (edited for brevities sake)

So, smart guy, make fun of my epilepsy and say it's a homo thing that I couldn't serve.

I'm so proud my boys have taken up the slack and are serving to protect your right to be so heartless.


Then My suggestion to you...is you should stay out of things you have no knowledge of....like what it is to serve your country while others put you down.


Again...you like wide...beat a drum that doesn't exist. Heartless? What heartless? you are the one crying that I would make fun of you...call you a homo (which borders on racism) and on and on and on...Ive done none of that.......too bad huh?


I'm glad you are proud of your boys...your grandfathers...your father...but we aren't talking about them are we? So tell Me once more about the espirit de' corps?

[GoOwls]

Then My suggestion to you...is you should stay out of things you have no knowledge of....like what it is to serve your country while others put you down.


Again...you like wide...beat a drum that doesn't exist. Heartless? What heartless? you are the one crying that I would make fun of you...call you a homo (which borders on racism) and on and on and on...Ive done none of that.......too bad huh?


I'm glad you are proud of your boys...your grandfathers...your father...but we aren't talking about them are we? So tell Me once more about the espirit de' corps?

I may not have been in it, but my whole life has been about it and surrounded by it. I can talk espirit de corps all day with you, and, apparently, teach you something about it.

Here is a military analogy that is reminding me of you. "Just because a man goes fishing, doesn't mean he can fish, or even wants to, or knows why he is there".

Stew on that one a while.

I wasn't in the military, remember, I can talk to you that way.

[mtbray]

If they beat someon...anyone of notable reputation.....I'd be happy

Ohio State? OR maybe your were in Lala land when that game was played. You seriously reek of envy, tool. Good luck to your son.

[mtbray]

I would make fun of you...call you a homo (which borders on racism)

/personal insult

You are a moron. I'm glad you do not have affiliations with The University.

[wide-e-wide]

Homo borders on racism? hahaha
What a nimrod...
Got your different shades of bigotry mixed up there "chuckles"
Now you've manage to piss off all the minorities...you're making
friends everywhere. Good for you.

[Hdshrinker]

I wasn't in the military, remember, I can talk to you that way.



Huh?

[Hdshrinker]

Homo borders on racism? hahaha
What a nimrod...
Got your different shades of bigotry mixed up there "chuckles"
Now you've manage to piss off all the minorities...you're making
friends everywhere. Good for you.


Geessshhh wide I thought I was on ignore? I understand that wide stands for your ego now.....BUT, you are right.....it's bigotry.....

What I find most interesting is "you" trying to tell "who" to be offended.....*laughing*

It didn't work for the discerning military man....well...one who knew someone in the military.....

And it won't work for...whoever it is you are trying to get to help you now.....


When you step in "it" wide not too many people are going to want to come help you clean it off....

[Hdshrinker]

Ohio State? OR maybe your were in Lala land when that game was played. You seriously reek of envy, tool. Good luck to your son.



Let's see....hmmmmm where are they ranked? Oh yeah...down there at the bottom....but yeah...you are right...they did play ONE good team this year .

[ktchamp97]

You really ought to seek help there wide......this infatuation with *****.....but then maybe that comes from being stuck on a boat for long periods of time.

oh btw....I'm not an aggie and not an aggie fan.......there's only one team in Texas that's amongst the big boys...unfortunately it's being run by a moron.


and lastly.....read above....some of the more intelligent less blinded Texas fans make some good points.

Hdshrinker,
"***** envy" is a common phrase in the english language used to indicate jealousy or an inferiority complex. It doesn't have anything to do with an actual *****. I'm sure you know that, so I'm sure you also know that your jab at wide and the Navy in general was inappropriate and uncalled for. Your comments about UT and "the weasel" reek of jealously and irrational comtempt, so while "***** envy" may not have been the best way to express that, it was the appropriate connotation for what he was trying to get across.

I see that your hatred for UT comes from the fact that Simms played instead of Applewhite and Simms cost UT the Big XII title. Applewhite had some atrocious games including a Big XII Championship game, himself. Who could forget the "Apple Turnover" game where the saint, Major, single-handedly accounted for 7 turnovers against Kansas State in an embarrasing home loss? How about his stellar performance against Nebraska in San Antonio where he bravely led the offense to 0 points, while accumulating several horrid turnovers. I understand that many preferred Applewhite over Simms, but many of the Applewhite supporters conveniently forget that he had some real stinkers of his own. Also, don't forget, Simms played, initially, because Applewhite went down with injury against Tech. To hate the school and the coach based off of that seems a little extreme, but you're certainly entitled to do so.

By the way, I don't understand why you hate Mack for standing up for his team? If it were your team, wouldn't you want them to be in the BCS? Doesn't it mean anything that they proved they belonged while Cal got blasted by a Tech team that Texas whipped? Mack is a class coach and he's built one of the top programs in college football...that's not even arguable.

By the way, I am a UT graduate and I am doing OK for myself thank you. UT is a fine school and your son or daughter would do very well if they went there.

As far as the #1 ranking...I could care less. Just about every analyst and coach in the country has UT and USC clearly ahead of the rest of the pack, so all that matters is that Texas is either #1 or #2. We won't stay at #1 anyway because of the remaining schedule. We've already played 3 Top 25 teams and USC still has to play 3 Top 25 teams, so this could be the last week that UT is in the #1 slot until they possibly win it all.

UT fans better get used to the bashing...it comes with being on top. If we weren't any good, nobody would hate us (see A&M).

[Rerun]

An outstanding post, kt. Simply outstanding.

UT is a fine, fine program and Mack is a hell of a coach and leader.

And, I am not even a UT fan. I am down with Tech......

[Hdshrinker]

Hdshrinker,
"***** envy" is a common phrase in the english language used to indicate jealousy or an inferiority complex. It doesn't have anything to do with an actual *****. I'm sure you know that, so I'm sure you also know that your jab at wide and the Navy in general was inappropriate and uncalled for. Your comments about UT and "the weasel" reek of jealously and irrational comtempt, so while "***** envy" may not have been the best way to express that, it was the appropriate connotation for what he was trying to get across.

I see that your hatred for UT comes from the fact that Simms played instead of Applewhite and Simms cost UT the Big XII title. Applewhite had some atrocious games including a Big XII Championship game, himself. Who could forget the "Apple Turnover" game where the saint, Major, single-handedly accounted for 7 turnovers against Kansas State in an embarrasing home loss? How about his stellar performance against Nebraska in San Antonio where he bravely led the offense to 0 points, while accumulating several horrid turnovers. I understand that many preferred Applewhite over Simms, but many of the Applewhite supporters conveniently forget that he had some real stinkers of his own. Also, don't forget, Simms played, initially, because Applewhite went down with injury against Tech. To hate the school and the coach based off of that seems a little extreme, but you're certainly entitled to do so.

By the way, I don't understand why you hate Mack for standing up for his team? If it were your team, wouldn't you want them to be in the BCS? Doesn't it mean anything that they proved they belonged while Cal got blasted by a Tech team that Texas whipped? Mack is a class coach and he's built one of the top programs in college football...that's not even arguable.

By the way, I am a UT graduate and I am doing OK for myself thank you. UT is a fine school and your son or daughter would do very well if they went there.

As far as the #1 ranking...I could care less. Just about every analyst and coach in the country has UT and USC clearly ahead of the rest of the pack, so all that matters is that Texas is either #1 or #2. We won't stay at #1 anyway because of the remaining schedule. We've already played 3 Top 25 teams and USC still has to play 3 Top 25 teams, so this could be the last week that UT is in the #1 slot until they possibly win it all.

UT fans better get used to the bashing...it comes with being on top. If we weren't any good, nobody would hate us (see A&M).



Let's be clear of a couple things.....I've stated before and you UT fans can't seem to see clear of.....it has nothing....let me repeat...nothing to do with hate.....I have in fact stated that UT is the only school that can now and most likely ever run with the big dawgs of the nation.....it's a game....and I don't hate over a game....Now......having cleared the air over that.....

Yes...Applewhite had his failures....all learning process qb's do. He nearly single handly brought us back in the ou game as well....I understand Simms came in as a result of injury to Applewhite....but you don't lose your job because of injury. Coaching decisions.

Mack built the program? He inherited a great program that had gone through a couple of years that Texas alumni were not willing to suffer. Or do you not remember the Earl Cambell days?

I said it elsewhere I'll say it again....show me some Texas players that mack has cultivated and groomed, that as a result of playing for mack brown are better than they were when they came in? VY still isn't a good passer as was exposed in the TT game. If that had been an Ohio St, ala, USC team Texas would have paid for those mistakes. They come in with skills because they are the best in the land.....they leave with those same skills....they should be leaving with those skills upgraded. How many of mack's players do we see in the NFL and competing? Simms? (excuse me while I laugh here since ONE of your wide backers objects to my chuckling) As I stated else where on this board.....you give Phil Jackson the best talent in the NBA and He wins championships and get's lots of praise. You give him kobe and some scrubs...and he whines and loses. So on mack...we'll have to agree to disagree.....you give any decent coach the best talent in the land and they are going to have a good program. Mack stands up for his players? It's embarrassing if your program can't speak for itself.... Remember the left out team last year? Know what coach said? That's the bcs....we don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

You are right....unless mack stumbles, and I don't think even he can blow this schedule....USC and Texas are gonna be smelling roses.....and then we'll know who was right, and who was wrong, won't we? Just remember I called this shot early in the season.

As for wide....he made it a larger issue in the hopes of getting some support.... just like he tried with the race card....let him fight his own battles....you reap what you sow.....If you don't want abrasiveness then don't be abrasive..... no reason these forums can't be civil places to debate a game.

[wide-e-wide]

For the last time...it's Earl Campbell for God's sake...
Goodness gracious...If you're gonna bring up one of...possibly
the greatest RB in the school's history...at least spell his name right.

And I am not searching or crying out for anyone to rescue me. If you have
been on this site long enough...or if you asked anybody on here...they would tell you...the last thing I need is someone to fight my battles. I do just fine by myself.

I have my own style...and my own opinions...and my own terms that I use to describe events or people...
I'm sure that I have made my share of enemies during my time on this board...but I have also made a lot of friends. So if someone speaks up and agrees with me...it doesn't mean that I recruited them to come to my defense. It means they have read my posts long enough to know what it is I'm trying to say...and they get it...You don't and that is unfortunate.

And KT ...thanks for defining "***** envy"...At least I know one person payed attention in freshman year General Psych.

[westlake]

Let's be clear of a couple things.....I've stated before and you UT fans can't seem to see clear of.....it has nothing....let me repeat...nothing to do with hate.....I have in fact stated that UT is the only school that can now and most likely ever run with the big dawgs of the nation.....it's a game....and I don't hate over a game....Now......having cleared the air over that.....

Yes...Applewhite had his failures....all learning process qb's do. He nearly single handly brought us back in the ou game as well....I understand Simms came in as a result of injury to Applewhite....but you don't lose your job because of injury. Coaching decisions.

Mack built the program? He inherited a great program that had gone through a couple of years that Texas alumni were not willing to suffer. Or do you not remember the Earl Cambell days?

I said it elsewhere I'll say it again....show me some Texas players that mack has cultivated and groomed, that as a result of playing for mack brown are better than they were when they came in? VY still isn't a good passer as was exposed in the TT game. If that had been an Ohio St, ala, USC team Texas would have paid for those mistakes. They come in with skills because they are the best in the land.....they leave with those same skills....they should be leaving with those skills upgraded. How many of mack's players do we see in the NFL and competing? Simms? (excuse me while I laugh here since ONE of your wide backers objects to my chuckling) As I stated else where on this board.....you give Phil Jackson the best talent in the NBA and He wins championships and get's lots of praise. You give him kobe and some scrubs...and he whines and loses. So on mack...we'll have to agree to disagree.....you give any decent coach the best talent in the land and they are going to have a good program. Mack stands up for his players? It's embarrassing if your program can't speak for itself.... Remember the left out team last year? Know what coach said? That's the bcs....we don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

You are right....unless mack stumbles, and I don't think even he can blow this schedule....USC and Texas are gonna be smelling roses.....and then we'll know who was right, and who was wrong, won't we? Just remember I called this shot early in the season.

As for wide....he made it a larger issue in the hopes of getting some support.... just like he tried with the race card....let him fight his own battles....you reap what you sow.....If you don't want abrasiveness then don't be abrasive..... no reason these forums can't be civil places to debate a game.


Texas has played 3 ranked teams (same as USC), does that not mean anything? Ohio State is at the bottom of the list? they're #13 and #4 when we played them come on. To add to that, we played them at the Horseshoe, one of the toughest places to play, braking a long home winning streak.

Who has Virginia Tech played to make them all high and mighty? Oh yeah, GA Tech, who was #15 then and isnt even ranked now.

Do you know that Mack Brown took over in the late 90's? and that Earl Campbell played in the 70's. from 92-97 John Macovik went 41-28-2, Mack Brown is 77-19 since 1998. With 7 Bowl appearances, what makes him a weasel. The players love him and he wins games.

Oh and if a player gets injured and someone replaces them and does a good job, it is usually best for the team not to switch things that are working. Especially with a position as important as QB.

These guys are consedered "active" in the NFL

· Cedric Benson, Chicago Bears (2001-04)
· Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals (1997-2000)
· Phil Dawson, Cleveland Browns (1994-97)
· Derrick Dockery, Washington Redskins (1999-2002)
· Jerry Gray, Buffalo Bills (1981-84)
· Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (1996-2000)
· Priest Holmes, Kansas City Chiefs (1992-96)
· Quentin Jammer, San Diego Chargers (1997-2001)
· Derrick Johnson, Kansas City Chiefs (2001-04)
· D.D. Lewis, Seattle Seahawks (1997-2001)
· Cullen Loeffler, Minnesota Vikings (2000-03)
· Alan Lowry, New York Jets (1970-72)
· Will Matthews, Detroit Lions (2001-04)
· Cory Redding, Detroit Lions (1999-2002)
· Shaun Rogers, Detroit Lions (1997-2000)
· Bo Scaife, Tennessee Titans (1999-04)
· Kyle Shanahan, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2001-2002)
· Chris Simms, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1999-2002)
· Kalen Thornton, Dallas Cowboys (2000-03)
· Marcus Tubbs, Seattle Seahawks (2000-03)
· Nathan Vasher, Chicago Bears (2000-03)
· Marcus Wilkins, Cincinnati Bengals (1998-2001)
· Mike Williams, Buffalo Bills (1998-2001)
· Ricky Williams, Miami Dolphins (1995-98)
· Roy Williams, Detroit Lions (2000-03)


Your a moron. True fans dont quit being fans because they dont like a coach.

[wide-e-wide]

Well,well,well...looks like 'ol Mack has shot some talent into the NFL.
whudda thunkit?
Go ahead and tack on a few more after this season.
Not bad for a weasel....or as HDShrinker's no spelling *** calls him...
a weasal.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=weasal

[bullrock]

Let's settle this once and for all. Let A&M be #1 or #2 at the end of the season and both teams will have played them without hurting either record. The human poll would then decide who would be #1 by virtue of the final scores in both games. See there how easy that was? Not an Aggie, but a fan of them. All this hatin' on Texas is making me hungry. I don't care too much for USC but I think Tech could be a possible candidate for the rose if they win out. And for those of you who question the meaning of a degree, and I don't care where it's from much less UT or A&M, you are all morons. I didn't attend college but my kids did at A&M, TLU and UT. Does it really matter where they went to school? If they can contribute to society they are successful! Men smacking men doesn't show a lot of maturity. Let's see if we can all come together and support the great game of football. Texas is # 1 now because the BCS is the ruling authority and they say so. If they maintain their position, the truth will be told on the field whether they play USC or Tech. Let's try to be civil. My daughter reads these posts and she might not think men are Gods like I've made us out to be for so long now.

[westlake]

VY still isn't a good passer as was exposed in the TT game.

Young second in pass efficiency
Quarterback Vince Young is second nationally in pass efficiency, ahead of players such as USC's Matt Leinart and Notre Dame's Brady Quinn.

' "It means a lot to be that high," said Young (169.5), who trails Louisville's Brian Brohm (169.8). "They said I couldn't throw. It wasn't that Vince couldn't throw. I had to get my new receivers on the same page with me and get more comfortable with the offense," he said.

Young completes 65.6 percent of his passes. He has 14 TD passes and seven interceptions.'

That was from the Dallas Morning News, dont know what more he could do to not be dubbed a bad passer, i also recall him turning the ball over a few times against Ohio State, and we still won.

[westlake]

as for wide....he made it a larger issue in the hopes of getting some support.... just like he tried with the race card....let him fight his own battles....you reap what you sow.....If you don't want abrasiveness then don't be abrasive..... no reason these forums can't be civil places to debate a game.


dude, your the one that brought up the race thing, and the only reason this thread isnt civil is because of all the crap that is spewwing out of you mouth....er, fingers.

Why dont you move to Oklahoma so you can live in the sty with all your "Heroes"

[Hdshrinker]

Young second in pass efficiency
Quarterback Vince Young is second nationally in pass efficiency, ahead of players such as USC's Matt Leinart and Notre Dame's Brady Quinn.

' "It means a lot to be that high," said Young (169.5), who trails Louisville's Brian Brohm (169.8). "They said I couldn't throw. It wasn't that Vince couldn't throw. I had to get my new receivers on the same page with me and get more comfortable with the offense," he said.

Young completes 65.6 percent of his passes. He has 14 TD passes and seven interceptions.'

That was from the Dallas Morning News, dont know what more he could do to not be dubbed a bad passer, i also recall him turning the ball over a few times against Ohio State, and we still won.


I can be a good passer to if I play My sons and his buddies.

[Hdshrinker]

For the last time...it's Earl Campbell for God's sake...
Goodness gracious...If you're gonna bring up one of...possibly
the greatest RB in the school's history...at least spell his name right.

And I am not searching or crying out for anyone to rescue me. If you have
been on this site long enough...or if you asked anybody on here...they would tell you...the last thing I need is someone to fight my battles. I do just fine by myself.

I have my own style...and my own opinions...and my own terms that I use to describe events or people...
I'm sure that I have made my share of enemies during my time on this board...but I have also made a lot of friends. So if someone speaks up and agrees with me...it doesn't mean that I recruited them to come to my defense. It means they have read my posts long enough to know what it is I'm trying to say...and they get it...You don't and that is unfortunate.

And KT ...thanks for defining "***** envy"...At least I know one person payed attention in freshman year General Psych.



I've seen your "style" and I know your act. I perferred it when you claimed to put Me on ignore...what happened to that, speaking if integrity? Same thing that is gonna happen when USC beats Texas? What was that name you are going to change to?

[wide-e-wide]

So are you saying Vince makes defenses look like little kids?
Good one...
You can't argue with the numbers.

[Hdshrinker]

Texas has played 3 ranked teams (same as USC), does that not mean anything? Ohio State is at the bottom of the list? they're #13 and #4 when we played them come on. To add to that, we played them at the Horseshoe, one of the toughest places to play, braking a long home winning streak.

Who has Virginia Tech played to make them all high and mighty? Oh yeah, GA Tech, who was #15 then and isnt even ranked now.

Do you know that Mack Brown took over in the late 90's? and that Earl Campbell played in the 70's. from 92-97 John Macovik went 41-28-2, Mack Brown is 77-19 since 1998. With 7 Bowl appearances, what makes him a weasel. The players love him and he wins games.

Oh and if a player gets injured and someone replaces them and does a good job, it is usually best for the team not to switch things that are working. Especially with a position as important as QB.

Your a moron. True fans dont quit being fans because they dont like a coach.


You have Ohio to hang your hat on....and they aren't in the top 10.

AND you present the first good argument in spite of your final opinion for mack sending some<---some players to the NFL.....There are some notable names on that list....but then they came in notable didn't they? Still...they were under the weasal and have made it.....



When it is said and done...as I have shown...ALA, GA, and VA Tech will all have played more ranked teams than Texas. If any of those and two of the three could go undefeated...then Texas shouldnt be there. The argument the nation sees is Texas schedule.......I agree with them.

How many of those bowl appearances has mack won?

[wide-e-wide]

Are you going to continue to just make up words?

I made it simple for you...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=weasal

[Hdshrinker]

Are you going to continue to just make up words?

I made it simple for you...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=weasal


Why should it bother you wide? I'm on ignore remember? But then....this is not the thread for these kind of post.....

If you want to make a flame thread I'll meet you there..... but that'll be kinda hard for a guy that is on ignore.....

[wide-e-wide]

I couldn't resist...
You are like aggy. You provide me with at least one belly laugh a day.
Now learn English before you try and talk smack.

[Hdshrinker]

I couldn't resist...
You are like aggy. You provide me with at least one belly laugh a day.
Now learn English before you try and talk smack.


So you really don't mean things when you say them then? You couldn't resist because of your ego wide......and as a courtesy to the host.....I'll now let this thing die a death of it's own.

[wide-e-wide]

Oh the host that basically chastized you for being a jackass?
That one?
Okay...I can dig it.

[FootballJunkie]

Mack has never been a weasel. He has always been a very good guy. The players love him.

Yes, I have always had my concerns about his coaching ability, but do think he is learning and is much better than he used to be. Coaching will not be a hinderance this year.

Mack Brown was a weasel... I guess you forgot how he came to UT. A back door deal by a weasel!!

[Hdshrinker]

Mack Brown was a weasel... I guess you forgot how he came to UT. A back door deal by a weasel!!



weasel begats weasel

[Rerun]

Ut > A&m = Fact

[GTown02]

Mack Brown was a weasel... I guess you forgot how he came to UT. A back door deal by a weasel!!
How did Mack get the UT head coach job (serious question btw, I have no idea).

[FootballJunkie]

How did Mack get the UT head coach job (serious question btw, I have no idea).


The problem was not that he left. UT was offering more money so it is understandable. It was HOW he did it.

One of the major beefs with Brown, and probably the biggest beef, was the way he handled his departure in December 1997 -- telling not only the media but his team, during a private meeting, that he was NOT going to Texas about 24 hours before he left for Texas and 2 weeks before UNC was to play in the Gator Bowl after a 10-2 season.

Out the back door like a weasel!!

[Hdshrinker]

The problem was not that he left. UT was offering more money so it is understandable. It was HOW he did it.

One of the major beefs with Brown, and probably the biggest beef, was the way he handled his departure in December 1997 -- telling not only the media but his team, during a private meeting, that he was NOT going to Texas about 24 hours before he left for Texas and 2 weeks before UNC was to play in the Gator Bowl after a 10-2 season.

Out the back door like a weasel!!



sssssshhhhhhh.........most of these guys were probably in HS and clueless...

[wide-e-wide]

Shall we compare Mack's departure...with Fran's departure?
Hold on to the rope...????????????????????????
I didn't think so.

[GTown02]

sssssshhhhhhh.........most of these guys were probably in HS and clueless...
Actually in 97' I was in 6th grade if you want to get specific... and I had heard what Mack has done, I just forgot what exactly took place...

[Hdshrinker]

Sounds like...."well everyone else is doing it...." Why must everything come down to what A & M does or doesn't do?

Accurate post Junkie.

[Hdshrinker]

Actually in 97' I was in 6th grade if you want to get specific... and I had heard what Mack has done, I just forgot what exactly took place...


Now you know where he got his weasel moniker.......

[FootballJunkie]

Shall we compare Mack's departure...with Fran's departure?
Hold on to the rope...????????????????????????
I didn't think so.



Yea but it was one of those deals at the time, I guess if he would have just said what his intetions were no one would have had a problem... I mean it was like triple the money!! He said one thing one day then was on the plane the next but it is history now but no one on that side of the world has forgotten!!

[dragonfootballfan]

Now you know where he got his weasel moniker.......
didn't you say that you liked Texas before the last two seasons. You also then did not consider him a weasel then did you?

You sir are a hypocrite

That is all

[rattlerbacker]

The problem was not that he left. UT was offering more money so it is understandable. It was HOW he did it.

One of the major beefs with Brown, and probably the biggest beef, was the way he handled his departure in December 1997 -- telling not only the media but his team, during a private meeting, that he was NOT going to Texas about 24 hours before he left for Texas and 2 weeks before UNC was to play in the Gator Bowl after a 10-2 season.

Out the back door like a weasel!!

That's not entirely correct........but then correctness never seems to bother the haters too much. Mack said he wasn't a candidate for the Texas job, and at the time he said that he wasn't. Mack hadn't even been contacted by Texas when he said that. Texas contacted him the next day, set up a meeting for that night, and made him an offer on the spot. Mack went back to UNC, met with his coaches, and even got a counter-offer from UNC before he finally accepted the Texas offer. He told his players in a meeting before it was announced to the media.

This all happened between Monday, December 1 and Wednesday, December 3, 1997. At the time it was a huge shock because everyone thought Gary Barnett had the job because he was the only candidate known to have interviewed for the job.

[FootballJunkie]

That's not entirely correct........but then correctness never seems to bother the haters too much. Mack said he wasn't a candidate for the Texas job, and at the time he said that he wasn't. Mack hadn't even been contacted by Texas when he said that. Texas contacted him the next day, set up a meeting for that night, and made him an offer on the spot. Mack went back to UNC, met with his coaches, and even got a counter-offer from UNC before he finally accepted the Texas offer. He told his players in a meeting before it was announced to the media.

This all happened between Monday, December 1 and Wednesday, December 3, 1997. At the time it was a huge shock because everyone thought Gary Barnett had the job because he was the only candidate known to have interviewed for the job.

I see you don't have YOUR facts correct sir!! After he was given permission to talk to UT he did. He then returned to campus had the closed door meeting with his players and HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE saying he was and I quote"Devoted to UNC and would NOT be Leaving" that was after he had verbally agreed to take the job. It was less than 2 weeks before a bowl and on the short side of 2 months before recruiting season. 4 recruits backed out after Brown slid out the back door. THAT is why he is called a Weasel on that side of the country. No one would have cared it he had made the annoucement before the offer came the UPROAR was because he made it AFTER the offer and AFTER he already knew he was LEAVING. I have my facts correct YOU should check yours. It is well documented so research it. I am not a hater just not a fan he has done a good job at UT sense but love him or hate him that is one thing he DID do!!!

CHECK and see that was what all the big deal was about when UT went and played UNC a couple of years later.

[Hdshrinker]

didn't you say that you liked Texas before the last two seasons. You also then did not consider him a weasel then did you?

You sir are a hypocrite

That is all

No...I said I grew up a Texas fan......I didn't like mack, heard a lot of good about him....saw what he did.... but I waited to see......

same ole story weasels and leopards don't change their spots. (weasels got spots?)

[wide-e-wide]

Hey!
Look everybody...he learned how to spell weasel...
Outstanding hdshrinker...who taught you that?

[Hdshrinker]

USC 28 wins in a row......including one last year against the #2 team in the nation.........


I'm gonna enjoy macks whinning this year.......and the look on his face......




http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/osu/galleries/football-champions2002/bcs-trophy.jpg


inscription: 2005 USC

[HOOKEM]

I am upset, nobody called me to let me know we were still debating this thread. Gonna set a record for the most posts on a single thread.

[HOOKEM]

Wide uses wild statements, including ***** references, as part of his trash talking. You may not like it, but that is his style. He was just doing what he does when he made the reference and you should know it, you've had enough posts to know. You crossed the line by making the military reference, granted borderline, but the fact you were in the military makes it deplorable. As for my military pedigree, both grandfathers in France in WWI, father in Pearl Harbor for 3 1/2 years in WWII, an uncle at sea in the Pacific on a destroyer for 3 years in WWII, one son in the 4th ID and a first wave infantry guy into Iraq and served for 16 months kicking in doors there and is presently in his 7th year in the military, and another son is now, as we speak, on the ground and kicking in doors in Afghanistan and will be there until May 06. As an experienced military family man, I think you should be ashamed of yourself........I don't think you are......but you don't appear to have the "esprit de corps".

I fought in the french revolution.

[rattlerbacker]

Hey junkie, you have a link to any of your so-called facts? And keep your shouting to yourself, crackhead.

[GoOwls]

I fought in the french revolution.

Other than being very old, what's your point?

[GoOwls]

Hey!
Look everybody...he learned how to spell weasel...
Outstanding hdshrinker...who taught you that?

Good lord, Wide, go get grandma, aggy (or is it okie-dokie land grabbers) CAN learn. Hide the farm animals. :D

[HOOKEM]

Other than being very old, what's your point?
your no fun

[wide-e-wide]

Hey junkie, you have a link to any of your so-called facts? And keep your shouting to yourself, crackhead.


I got a link to it.
It's at www.theworldaccordingtohdshrinker.com

[GoOwls]

your no fun

Sorry, I've been fighting some dragons (not the Southlake kind) and was unprepared for your humor.

How WAS The Inqusition, anyway? :D

[FootballJunkie]

Hey junkie, you have a link to any of your so-called facts? And keep your shouting to yourself, crackhead.

What's with the name calling?? Clown!! here is one link I have plenty more.http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/63931.html (http://)

[Hdshrinker]

What's with the name calling?? Clown!! here is one link I have plenty more.http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/63931.html (http://)


It's pretty common here junkie......

[HOOKEM]

Sorry, I've been fighting some dragons (not the Southlake kind) and was unprepared for your humor.

How WAS The Inqusition, anyway? :D

I forgot it was so long ago.

[GoOwls]

I forgot it was so long ago.

Well, all that matters is "HOOK 'EM HORNS" and, by the way, did you know it's 10 pm and OU still sucks?

[Rerun]

It's pretty common here junkie......

Are you stating that name calling and trash talk is permitted on this site?

[Hdshrinker]

Are you stating that name calling and trash talk is permitted on this site?



as long as deity mack is not included.

[HOOKEM]

Well, all that matters is "HOOK 'EM HORNS" and, by the way, did you know it's 10 pm and OU still sucks?
Amen brother.

[rattlerbacker]

That link doesn't say anything about Mack having a press conference saying he was not accepting the Texas job after it was offered. Thats what you claim and thats what I want to see. I know he had a press conference on Monday saying he wasn't a candidate for the Texas job, which was the truth when he said it. He was contacted by Texas the next day and offered the job the same day, but it was the day after his press conference.

[Hdshrinker]

That link doesn't say anything about Mack having a press conference saying he was not accepting the Texas job after it was offered. Thats what you claim and thats what I want to see. I know he had a press conference on Monday saying he wasn't a candidate for the Texas job, which was the truth when he said it. He was contacted by Texas the next day and offered the job the same day, but it was the day after his press conference.


If you truly believe that I got some land over in West Texas for sale......

[FootballJunkie]

That link doesn't say anything about Mack having a press conference saying he was not accepting the Texas job after it was offered. Thats what you claim and thats what I want to see. I know he had a press conference on Monday saying he wasn't a candidate for the Texas job, which was the truth when he said it. He was contacted by Texas the next day and offered the job the same day, but it was the day after his press conference.


YEA YEA, believe what you want I I have plenty more links. It's history now but Mack Brown did that and he can't take it back!! Your nose is so far up his rear end you can't or won't admit the truth but just for you here is another link!!

Brown announced his decision after meeting with his players. He said it hasn't been decided whether he will coach the Tar Heels in their bowl appearance.
"It's going to be real bad for them. I pray they don't go out and do nothing crazy," senior defensive end Greg Ellis said of the underclassmen. ... "Some players in (the meeting) looked really hurt. I was really hurt. I can't possibly hurt like those other guys are hurting. Now, it's like, 'What do I do?' "

Sophomore tight end Alge Crumpler said he won't let Brown's decision affect him,

"this was Mack Brown's MO,career decisions are a thing you just have to be greedy about -- i.e., you have to think of yourself first. It's the only way to make them; you can't live your life to make other people happy instead of yourself.

But there's no excuse for lying to the community that's supported you and helped you succeed. And leaving without facing -- and acknowledging, not to mention thanking -- the people you've abandoned is cowardly, and disgusting."

[Hdshrinker]

AND speaking of WHINERS


Did anyone noticed what USC coach said when told about BCS? That's computers....I don't really understand them, it doesn't matter, we have to win next week.


No whine....no crackers

[rattlerbacker]

Junkie, here's what I called you out on:

He then returned to campus had the closed door meeting with his players and HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE saying he was and I quote"Devoted to UNC and would NOT be Leaving" that was after he had verbally agreed to take the job.

You still haven't provided a link that says anything about Mack having a press conference denying he was taking the Texas job after it was offered to him. What you posted last wasn't even a link and nothing you have posted has said anything at all about a press conference after he was offered the job. You are just mistaken about when he had the press conference and what he said but you don't want to admit it. You are also wrong about what he told the players at the meeting. Even your last post flat out contradicts you on that.

You keep calling people names, it fits with your personality. You still haven't backed your up your statement. Now who's the weasel?

As far as the UNC fans go, they lost the best coach they ever had. I don't blame them for being upset but they don't get to rewrite history either.

[FootballJunkie]

Junkie, here's what I called you out on:



You still haven't provided a link that says anything about Mack having a press conference denying he was taking the Texas job after it was offered to him. What you posted last wasn't even a link and nothing you have posted has said anything at all about a press conference after he was offered the job. You are just mistaken about when he had the press conference and what he said but you don't want to admit it. You are also wrong about what he told the players at the meeting. Even your last post flat out contradicts you on that.

You keep calling people names, it fits with your personality. You still haven't backed your up your statement. Now who's the weasel?

As far as the UNC fans go, they lost the best coach they ever had. I don't blame them for being upset but they don't get to rewrite history either.

So just because you are a fan of his that means he did not do it?? You refuse to believe even what his ex-players and all the media in that area that means it did not happen that way?? I mean I know you are a fan and all but lets be real. The post says after the meeting he took the job that is why the players were upset. Mack Brown has done a good job but HE DID DO THAT at that time no matter how you refuse to believe it. I am no UNC fan either the point was no one cared that he took a job that offered more money!! The problem was the WAY HE LEFT. Just because you don't like it does not make it untrue!! As for Mack Brown well he did it and YOU can't change that!!

What is he like a diety to you or something?? You seem to think there is no way Mack could have done that. OK If you say so but not like it was not Headline News at the time guess you didn't pay attention.

[rattlerbacker]

You are the one that put up the post saying he held a press conference and denied he was taking the job "after he had verbally agreed to take the job." Those are your words, not mine. I've asked you to show some proof that he held a press conference denying he was taking the job after it was offered to him. You've danced all around that issue and never addressed it.

As for the meeting with the players, your own post says: "Brown announced his decision after meeting with his players. " That meeting was to tell the players he was taking the Texas job.

This is from the Lubbock newspaper, I guess you'll say they are in love with Mack, too?

Friday, December 5, 1997

Last modified at 11:03 p.m. on Thursday, December 4, 1997
Brown to take over at Texas

AUSTIN (AP) - After 10 years of turning North Carolina into a football power, Mack Brown on Thursday took the responsibility of trying to return Texas to national prominence.

Brown, who was offered the Texas job on Wednesday, announced his resignation from North Carolina in Chapel Hill after meeting with Tar Heels players.

He said it was time to "step away and help somebody else get to this point."

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds hailed Brown's arrival, saying he will win over Texas faithful who became divided and frustrated during the six-year tenure of John Mackovic, who was fired after a 4-7 season.

"We need to put our alumni constituencies back together," Dodds said. "They need to pull for the University of Texas during good times and in bad times. They need to understand how important it is that we all be together behind the football coach and team because that means something to us in recruiting and to the players on the field.

"I think Mack can bring those things to Texas, and we need that."

Brown, whose No. 7 team is a candidate for an alliance bowl, will become Texas' 28th head coach. He was to meet with Longhorns players possibly as early as Thursday night.

Brown indicated to Texas officials after being offered the job on Wednesday that he was interested, but he waited to announce his decision until after talking to players and North Carolina athletic director Dick Baddour on Thursday.

"I felt it would be unfair to wait any longer for everybody involved," Brown said.

Dodds said it would be Brown's choice whether to coach North Carolina in its bowl game or come directly to Texas to begin working.

"I didn't want to ask him a question that gave him any chance to think about some reason he should not come to Texas," Dodds said. "When he told me he was coming, I said, `Let's get going."'

Dodds said Brown received a five-year contract with rollover clauses that essentially makes it a seven-year deal worth $750,000 per year.

Incentives tied to graduation rates and victories leading to a national championship could increase that amount to $1 million per year, Dodds said. The salary would include TV, radio and shoe endorsement income.

Brown's base salary at North Carolina was about $165,000, which didn't include TV, radio and shoe deals.

Brown said Baddour and North Carolina Chancellor Michael Hooker "did more than they should have done to try to get me to stay," but to no avail.

"The hardest thing is to leave the kids," Brown said. "I do love those kids. You probably spend more time with the football players than your own family."

Brown built a 69-46-1 record in his 10 years at North Carolina. The Tar Heels went 10-2 last year and made it to the Gator Bowl. They are 10-1 this season.

The decision came together very quickly, he said. It was a tough one because his teams have done well and Chapel Hill is such a desirable place to live.

"We've had a good run. We've had a good stay," Brown said. "There's not any reason for me to leave here. I think it's the challenge of starting over. ... I never thought I'd leave here."

Baddour compared the emotional discussions leading to Brown's decision to the death of a relative or friend.

"I don't have a better friend than Mack Brown," he said. "He has served this university with class. ... From day one, Mack Brown was a perfect fit."

Texas sought Brown because he's very personable, has proven he can win at a school with strong academics and is an offensive coach who has also fielded strong defenses.

The Tar Heels are second to top-ranked Michigan in total defense, giving up just 209.3 yards per game.

"Mack Brown is just mesmerizing," Dodds said. "He has a way of immediately knowing people's names, he looks at people when he talks to them. He has a philosophy about things that is very sound, whether it be football, academics or alums. He's very convincing.

"He will absolutely fit well in Austin, Texas, and that was some of the decision."

Carolina's 45 wins over the past five years are second-best in the Atlantic Coast Conference, behind Florida State. The Tar Heels have made five consecutive bowl appearances, winning three. They lost to Texas 35-31 in the 1994 Sun Bowl.

Texas freshman defensive tackle Leonard Davis said, "It's encouraging knowing that the coach coming in is coming from a good team. It's incentive to be motivated and work harder."

The Link (http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/120597/LS0567.html)

Now thats a link. Actually its a quote followed by a link so you can verify the quote. He waited to announce his decision publicly until after he met with the players and the AD. It was at that meeting that he told the players of his decision. Funny how there is no mention of him ever denying he was taking the job after it was offered to him. You probably still don't get it, though. Your version of events exists only in your mind. This is all I'm going to post on this.

[FootballJunkie]

After spending this week perusing message boards from Austin to Chapel Hill, reading an abundance of e-mails and listening to callers to my radio show, it has become clear that fans from each school have entirely different expectations concerning Texas’ visit to North Carolina Saturday night at Kenan Stadium.

Most Texas fans expect an easy victory and don’t take Carolina football seriously. UNC supporters are discussing the possible outcome of this important contest, but many are also talking about former UNC coach Mack Brown’s return to Chapel Hill, and many have differing views on how to treat the ex-coach when his team takes the field.

It appears that the majority of UNC fans are looking forward to raining a chorus of boos on Brown than they are the actual game itself. This should be disturbing to most UNC fans as it further fuels the stereotype that football isn’t such a big deal in Chapel Hill. A real football school, many will argue, would be fired up to knock off a top-five team with tremendous tradition, not put forth most of its focus on an event that will last all of 15 seconds and have absolutely no influence on the game’s outcome.

On the flip side, however, is that UNC football fans will show they have pride and care about how one treats them, and many feel as if Brown treated them like a dog does a fire hydrant. Such passion for feeling slighted in a sport that allegedly “doesn’t matter” much extinguishes the ignorant theory that Tar Heels don’t care about the gridiron, and gives UNC fans a rare edge usually reserved for places like Raleigh and Greenville in the Old North State.

“Mack is never coming back to the Hill to play the Heels again,” wrote bornatarheel on InsideCarolina.com’s boards. “As a matter of fact, I think he tried to cancel these games before. I say boo him. It’s not about losing him to Texas and not being happy about JB (current UNC coach John Bunting). It’s about the way he (Brown) lied to the players, fans, and coaches.”

Brown left UNC abruptly in early December, 1997, less than a month before the Tar Heels were to face Virginia Tech in the Gator Bowl. Many fans still feel slighted, not just because he left, but how he left. They think they were lied to through Brown’s claim he wasn’t leaving to the team some 24 hours prior to accepting Texas’ offer.

Others say it goes beyond that.

“Do we boo Mack Brown? No. We go beyond booing him,” said Happy, a caller to my show on Thursday. “The man’s a slug. He tells us this is his home, where his children go to school. This is where he’s planted his seed, this is where he wants to live his life. I’m very appreciative of the facility, but as you’re well aware of, Carolina pays for its own facilities. The alumni paid for that, Mack Brown didn’t pay for it. All he did was go around the state in the offseason asking for money, and the fans came through… and he didn’t.”

Even though it’s five years later, a big reason why Tar Heelites remain bitter is because UNC has won just 25 games – including this year’s 1-1 mark - since Brown left. Three years of Carl Torbush did produce a pair of winning seasons and a bowl victory over San Diego State (and the Gator Bowl win over Va. Tech). But it also included the dismal 1999 campaign that saw Carolina get clobbered by such stalwarts Furman, Houston and Wake Forest at home and at Maryland by 38 points. Not even in Brown’s first two seasons, in which UNC was a combined 2-20, had the Heels been such an embarrassment as they were three falls ago.

Fans held Torbush and Brown equally in contempt, but Brown remains the target of their venom, partly because of his success with the Longhorns, which he has turned into a perennial top-10 club.

“This is a football game, not the opera,” wrote Dean59Dook35. “When the other team runs on the field, you boo. When the other team is coached by a guy who basically told your team to (expletive) itself, you boo louder.”

Not everyone has dreams of wielding a bloody knife at the former coach. Many acknowledge his contributions to UNC football, and are optimistic Carolina has the right man in place in Bunting.

“Why do you dummies want to boo Mack,” wrote T23arheel. “All it will do is motivate the Texas players more and we will end up getting blown out by 40+ points. Is that what you guys want? Cheer for the Heels and JB (Bunting). Forget Mack. He’s ancient history.”

Others are concerned how the nation will perceive UNC’s fans.

“While I continue to be upset at Mack Brown for the manner in which he left us, let's show our class and give him an ovation,” wrote Heelhound. “To let national TV show us booing does nothing but make us look bad.”

In the end, it won’t matter what Carolina’s faithful do before the game even starts. Carolina needs its fans to be rowdy throughout the contest. And even then, if the Tar Heels have little success on the ground, don’t give Darian Durant quality pass-protection, struggle holding Cedric Benson and Texas’ rushing attack in check, don’t apply pressure on the Longhorns’ golden boy quarterback Chris Simms, can’t limit wide receiver Roy Williams’ touches, and don’t prevent Nathan Vasher from huge returns on special teams, none of this will matter. If they don’t handle these responsibilities, the emotional Brown will leave Chapel Hill in similar fashion as he did 57 months ago.

And the pain of an ugly home loss to UNC’s version of Benedict Arnold may lace a stench over the program that could take weeks to fumigate. And for those fans that care more about booing than anything else, it will take longer.

Yet if the Heels ride the crowd’s intensity, force the ’Horns into some early mistakes, generate a few turnovers, Willie Parker breaks a long run, and Sam Aiken touches the ball at least eight times, the goal posts may come down as they did after Carolina routed Florida State 41-9 last September, which was, incidentally, the first game played after Sept. 11.

The fans should enjoy themselves. Boo if you want to, but don’t throw anything. Cheer if that’s your choice. But regardless, remember what Brown did for the school, and if you truly feel that Bunting is ultimately the better man for the job, be appreciative that Brown left. Otherwise, he’d still be in Chapel Hill trying to beat FSU and Bunting would be coaching someone’s defense in the NFL.

It’s strange how things work out. But in this case, both Brown, whose idol growing up was legendary Texas coach Darrell Royal, and UNC may have both upgraded in the long run.



I mean you are not the only that can cut and paste so your point would be what???

[FootballJunkie]

I mean one paper your quote from Texas news paper kissing browns behind. My quote from an East Coast paper telling it like it was!!!

[Butch Fifield]

So what would be the purpose of having a press conference and saying that you are staying if you knew that in one day you would be telling people you really are not staying? I don't get it. What is the benefit to Mack for doing that?

[FootballJunkie]

So what would be the purpose of having a press conference and saying that you are staying if you knew that in one day you would be telling people you really are not staying? I don't get it. What is the benefit to Mack for doing that?

There was no benefit!!! That was the whole uproar!! NO ONE was mad because he wanted and had acheived enough success that he was offered a "better" job that payed more money. It was how he left that caused the problem at that time. Even the most devout UNC fan will admit he did a great job there that is why no one understood why he handled it that way.

[rattlerbacker]

So you think a "story" by a football website 4+ years after the fact that says NC fans "think" they were lied to is proof that Mack held a press conference to say he was turning down the Texas job after it was offered to him?Thats not proof of anything. If he had done that don't you think the AP story (which means it was run nationally) at the time of the event would say something about it?

The fact of the matter is, he announced he was taking the job less than 24 hours after it was offered to him. There was no press conference after he was offered the job except to announce he was taking it. There was no meeting with the players other than the one to announce he was taking the job.

UNC fans may "feel" they were lied to but the fact of the matter is they weren't. All Mack said was he wasn't a candidate for the job at a time when he wasn't a candidate and hadn't been contacted about it.

[Primetime536]

Texas has played 3 ranked teams (same as USC), does that not mean anything? Ohio State is at the bottom of the list? they're #13 and #4 when we played them come on. To add to that, we played them at the Horseshoe, one of the toughest places to play, braking a long home winning streak.

Who has Virginia Tech played to make them all high and mighty? Oh yeah, GA Tech, who was #15 then and isnt even ranked now.

Do you know that Mack Brown took over in the late 90's? and that Earl Campbell played in the 70's. from 92-97 John Macovik went 41-28-2, Mack Brown is 77-19 since 1998. With 7 Bowl appearances, what makes him a weasel. The players love him and he wins games.

Oh and if a player gets injured and someone replaces them and does a good job, it is usually best for the team not to switch things that are working. Especially with a position as important as QB.

These guys are consedered "active" in the NFL

· Cedric Benson, Chicago Bears (2001-04)
· Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals (1997-2000)
· Phil Dawson, Cleveland Browns (1994-97)
· Derrick Dockery, Washington Redskins (1999-2002)
· Jerry Gray, Buffalo Bills (1981-84)
· Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (1996-2000)
· Priest Holmes, Kansas City Chiefs (1992-96)
· Quentin Jammer, San Diego Chargers (1997-2001)
· Derrick Johnson, Kansas City Chiefs (2001-04)
· D.D. Lewis, Seattle Seahawks (1997-2001)
· Cullen Loeffler, Minnesota Vikings (2000-03)
· Alan Lowry, New York Jets (1970-72)
· Will Matthews, Detroit Lions (2001-04)
· Cory Redding, Detroit Lions (1999-2002)
· Shaun Rogers, Detroit Lions (1997-2000)
· Bo Scaife, Tennessee Titans (1999-04)
· Kyle Shanahan, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2001-2002)
· Chris Simms, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1999-2002)
· Kalen Thornton, Dallas Cowboys (2000-03)
· Marcus Tubbs, Seattle Seahawks (2000-03)
· Nathan Vasher, Chicago Bears (2000-03)
· Marcus Wilkins, Cincinnati Bengals (1998-2001)
· Mike Williams, Buffalo Bills (1998-2001)
· Ricky Williams, Miami Dolphins (1995-98)
· Roy Williams, Detroit Lions (2000-03)


Your a moron. True fans dont quit being fans because they dont like a coach.
well VTECHs schedule has been mild so far, from now on the play, BC,TENESSEE,FLORDIA ST.,VIRGINA, AND I THINK MIAMI. not bad, if they win out, National Championships where their headed,

[Hdshrinker]

well VTECHs schedule has been mild so far, from now on the play, BC,TENESSEE,FLORDIA ST.,VIRGINA, AND I THINK MIAMI. not bad, if they win out, National Championships where their headed,


They should be primetime, but unless one of the top two trip up they wont be...and even mack can't screw up this schedule.

[FootballJunkie]

So you think a "story" by a football website 4+ years after the fact that says NC fans "think" they were lied to is proof that Mack held a press conference to say he was turning down the Texas job after it was offered to him?Thats not proof of anything. If he had done that don't you think the AP story (which means it was run nationally) at the time of the event would say something about it?

The fact of the matter is, he announced he was taking the job less than 24 hours after it was offered to him. There was no press conference after he was offered the job except to announce he was taking it. There was no meeting with the players other than the one to announce he was taking the job.

UNC fans may "feel" they were lied to but the fact of the matter is they weren't. All Mack said was he wasn't a candidate for the job at a time when he wasn't a candidate and hadn't been contacted about it.


Sorry if it offends you that Mack Brown did that. Last time I checked it was Mack Brown not Saint Brown. :rolleyes: Like I said earlier no one cared because he left...It was how he did it. Even his former players said the same thing. If you can't except reality then that is on you. It has been like 8 years it is a dead issue but he is no "deity" contrary to popular opinion out this way!!

[wide-e-wide]

Being the selfish guy I am...I could give a crap less what he did to UNC.
As long as he brings a National Championship to Austin...he's cool with me.
Besides....North Carolina is basketball country anyway...what are they crying for? That state still has Coach K and Roy Williams...I think they are doing pretty good.

[FootballJunkie]

Texas has played 3 ranked teams (same as USC), does that not mean anything? Ohio State is at the bottom of the list? they're #13 and #4 when we played them come on. To add to that, we played them at the Horseshoe, one of the toughest places to play, braking a long home winning streak.

Who has Virginia Tech played to make them all high and mighty? Oh yeah, GA Tech, who was #15 then and isnt even ranked now.

Do you know that Mack Brown took over in the late 90's? and that Earl Campbell played in the 70's. from 92-97 John Macovik went 41-28-2, Mack Brown is 77-19 since 1998. With 7 Bowl appearances, what makes him a weasel. The players love him and he wins games.

Oh and if a player gets injured and someone replaces them and does a good job, it is usually best for the team not to switch things that are working. Especially with a position as important as QB.

These guys are consedered "active" in the NFL

· Cedric Benson, Chicago Bears (2001-04)
· Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals (1997-2000)
· Phil Dawson, Cleveland Browns (1994-97)
· Derrick Dockery, Washington Redskins (1999-2002)
· Jerry Gray, Buffalo Bills (1981-84)
· Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (1996-2000)
· Priest Holmes, Kansas City Chiefs (1992-96)
· Quentin Jammer, San Diego Chargers (1997-2001)
· Derrick Johnson, Kansas City Chiefs (2001-04)
· D.D. Lewis, Seattle Seahawks (1997-2001)
· Cullen Loeffler, Minnesota Vikings (2000-03)
· Alan Lowry, New York Jets (1970-72)
· Will Matthews, Detroit Lions (2001-04)
· Cory Redding, Detroit Lions (1999-2002)
· Shaun Rogers, Detroit Lions (1997-2000)
· Bo Scaife, Tennessee Titans (1999-04)
· Kyle Shanahan, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2001-2002)
· Chris Simms, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1999-2002)
· Kalen Thornton, Dallas Cowboys (2000-03)
· Marcus Tubbs, Seattle Seahawks (2000-03)
· Nathan Vasher, Chicago Bears (2000-03)
· Marcus Wilkins, Cincinnati Bengals (1998-2001)
· Mike Williams, Buffalo Bills (1998-2001)
· Ricky Williams, Miami Dolphins (1995-98)
· Roy Williams, Detroit Lions (2000-03)


Your a moron. True fans dont quit being fans because they dont like a coach.


What is the point of this list? Is UT the only school in America to have someone drafted?? :D

[wide-e-wide]

hdshrinker made the comment that nobody Mack Brown coached has gone on to do anything in the league...Well...looks like hdshrinker was wrong.

[Hdshrinker]

What is the point of this list? Is UT the only school in America to have someone drafted?? :D



Naaaa....I made a comment and was half wrong in it...that there were no notable standouts of macks to have gone on....that's a pretty impressive list there....but...as I stated.....they came in with those talents.....there's no evidence he improved any of them. Most those fellows would be in the NFL if they had played with TCU. Most of those standouts were highly recruited HS kids..... My argument was and is......the weasel is a recruiter not a great coach.....


But the poster is right...there are a few there.

[Firebird]

Anytime a succesful Head Coach leaves a school for greener pastures, there are going to be hurt feelings left behind, I don't care how he does it. Folks up in Kansas call Roy Williams (Won Nat'l Basketball championship last year with North Carolina) "Benedict Williams". I don't know anyone out in Alabama who isn't seething with rage, still, at Fran. That is just the way it goes. FootballJunkie is well known for hating on anything that isn't East Coast, so no one should be surprised that he is dragging out this kind of stuff.

And Headshrinker, recruiting is half the battle, and that Mack Brown undeniably excels at. A lot of people forget that under Mack, there was a year that UT lost to Baylor, Aggie, and Tech in one season. You don't see that happen anymore. Aggie used to regularly beat the pants off UT in the recruiting wars too (though they were admitedlly cheating their butt's off). Brown has brought made the 'Horns a perennial top ten team, something fans could only dream about through most of the '90's. And he didn't do it only with recruiting, the players love him and go on to great NFL careers, often starting in their first season. Almost no one, no matter thie atletic ability, can do that if they haven't been well coached. Besides, in college, it is the postion coaches who do most of the actual player development, not the HC. His job is to manage the team, recruit, and basically serve as the anchor, which Mack is great at.

Any school in the USA, save perhaps USC, OU, and places like VaTech, FSU and PSU (who have crusty old coaches permanetly installed) would love to have Brown on their sidelines.

[Hdshrinker]

Anytime a succesful Head Coach leaves a school for greener pastures, there are going to be hurt feelings left behind, I don't care how he does it. Folks up in Kansas call Roy Williams (Won Nat'l Basketball championship last year with North Carolina) "Benedict Williams". I don't know anyone out in Alabama who isn't seething with rage, still, at Fran. That is just the way it goes. FootballJunkie is well known for hating on anything that isn't East Coast, so no one should be surprised that he is dragging out this kind of stuff.

And Headshrinker, recruiting is half the battle, and that Mack Brown undeniably excels at. A lot of people forget that under Mack, there was a year that UT lost to Baylor, Aggie, and Tech in one season. You don't see that happen anymore. Aggie used to regularly beat the pants off UT in the recruiting wars too (though they were admitedlly cheating their butt's off). Brown has brought made the 'Horns a perennial top ten team, something fans could only dream about through most of the '90's. And he didn't do it only with recruiting, the players love him and go on to great NFL careers, often starting in their first season. Almost no one, no matter thie atletic ability, can do that if they haven't been well coached. Besides, in college, it is the postion coaches who do most of the actual player development, not the HC. His job is to manage the team, recruit, and basically serve as the anchor, which Mack is great at.

Any school in the USA, save perhaps USC, OU, and places like VaTech, FSU and PSU (who have crusty old coaches permanetly installed) would love to have Brown on their sidelines.



save your mack is deity for someone who cares like wide or those guys...he's a weasel in my book...he was when he came and nothing has changed...he whines like a woman.... What did Carroll do when the bcs ( also fondly known as bull crap system) came out with USC #2? Did he cry like mack last year? Nope..." That's computers...I don't even understand them. We play next week."


I can only hope that mack remembers he's mack...but even he would be hard pressed to screw this cupcake schedule up. Maybe he'll do it against the aggies since wide likes'em so much.....I doubt it very seriously...but if he does...I'll be there to see that it.

[FootballJunkie]

Anytime a succesful Head Coach leaves a school for greener pastures, there are going to be hurt feelings left behind, I don't care how he does it. Folks up in Kansas call Roy Williams (Won Nat'l Basketball championship last year with North Carolina) "Benedict Williams". I don't know anyone out in Alabama who isn't seething with rage, still, at Fran. That is just the way it goes. FootballJunkie is well known for hating on anything that isn't East Coast, so no one should be surprised that he is dragging out this kind of stuff.

And Headshrinker, recruiting is half the battle, and that Mack Brown undeniably excels at. A lot of people forget that under Mack, there was a year that UT lost to Baylor, Aggie, and Tech in one season. You don't see that happen anymore. Aggie used to regularly beat the pants off UT in the recruiting wars too (though they were admitedlly cheating their butt's off). Brown has brought made the 'Horns a perennial top ten team, something fans could only dream about through most of the '90's. And he didn't do it only with recruiting, the players love him and go on to great NFL careers, often starting in their first season. Almost no one, no matter thie atletic ability, can do that if they haven't been well coached. Besides, in college, it is the postion coaches who do most of the actual player development, not the HC. His job is to manage the team, recruit, and basically serve as the anchor, which Mack is great at.

Any school in the USA, save perhaps USC, OU, and places like VaTech, FSU and PSU (who have crusty old coaches permanetly installed) would love to have Brown on their sidelines.


Let's get the fact's straight!! I am not hating on anyone. I said Mack Brown did a good job at UNC and I said he has done a good job at UT. I also said what he did on the way out of UNC so if the truth is hating then so be it.

If I was hating on Mack Brown I would say something like he went 10-1 twice at UNC but could not win an ACC title because he could not beat FSU. With all the talent he has had at UT he has not won a darn thing!!! He can't win the big one and if he holds true to form he won't win this year either.... If I had said something like that then I would be hating.

As for my "East Coast Bias" well lets say I'm no more in love with it than you are with everything Texas. I mean say one thing you don't like and it's hating. I said the Big XII is down this year. Am I wrong??? Didn't think so. I said UT would lose to OSU, they didn't and after I said good game. If you have a problem with people that don't agree with you all the time then...sucks to be you. I hype the teams I like just as you do so get your nose out of Mack Browns behind the world is bigger than just Texas dude!!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

well VTECHs schedule has been mild so far, from now on the play, BC,TENESSEE,FLORDIA ST.,VIRGINA, AND I THINK MIAMI. not bad, if they win out, National Championships where their headed,

Va Tech doesn't play Tennessee this year, and they may or may not play Florida State, in the ACC Title Game....

....oh and right now they're losing to BC!

[FootballJunkie]

Va Tech doesn't play Tennessee this year, and they may or may not play Florida State, in the ACC Title Game....

....oh and right now they're losing to BC!

See your wrong they are winning right now!! :D

[Primetime536]

yea, VTECH will face USC in the national champioship

[wide-e-wide]

yea, VTECH will face USC in the national champioship


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[Primetime536]

When Is It Best To Take Crack Cocaine?

As arule of thumb, it is profoundly unwise to take crack-cocaine. The brain has evolved atruly vicious set of negative feedback mechanisms. Their functional effect is to stop us from being trulyhappy for long. Nature is cruelly parsimonious with pleasure. The initial short-lived euphoria of a reinforcer as uniquely powerful as crack will be followed by a "crash". This involves anxiety, depression, irritability, extreme fatigue and possibly paranoia. Physical health may deteriorate. An intense craving for more cocaine develops. In heavy users, stereotyped compulsive and repetitive patterns of behaviour may occur. So may tactile hallucinations of insects crawling underneath the skin ("formication"). Severe depressive conditions may follow; agitated delirium; and also a syndrome sometimes known as toxic paranoid psychosis. The neural aftereffects of chronic cocaine use include changes in monoamine metabolites and uptake transporters. There is down-regulation of dopamine D2 receptors to compensate for their drug-induced overstimulation. Thus the brain's capacity to experience pleasure is diminished.
haaa, 2nd time hes said that in the last 30 min

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah...tells you something doesn't it?
I'm surrounded by freaking crackheads.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

See your wrong they are winning right now!! :D

wow! i was wrong! dang-it!


guess who makes a booty call next week?.....the U!!!

Get ready, dawg!

[KT2000]

If VT jumps Texas, I'll move to Mongolia and assume the identity of a monk.

The Hokie offense puts up decent numbers against the 2nd or 3rd tier teams.

However, they wouldn't score if they were locked in a phone booth with Salma Hayek otherwise.

[Hdshrinker]

If VT jumps Texas, I'll move to Mongolia and assume the identity of a monk.

The Hokie offense puts up decent numbers against the 2nd or 3rd tier teams.

However, they wouldn't score if they were locked in a phone booth with Salma Hayek otherwise.


and if they beat Miami?

[Primetime536]

and if they beat Miami?
#15GT, #20WV, #13BC, #6MIAMI, #9FSU, #25UVA!
what if they beat all them

[KT2000]

It'd be a heck of a lot more impressive than a win over BC. Miami has one of the best defenses in the country and the offense is improving.

BC is the toughest opponent VT has played so far this year, and that aint very impressive after seeing that team in action tonight. VT was previously hanging their hat on a big win over a now unranked Georgia Tech team.

Their resume can't compete with what Texas and USC have accomplished and they should remain behind those two as long as they both win out as expected. Virginia Tech hasn't proven much of anything on the road yet this year.

Texas won at Ohio State (they'd never lost a night game at home before) and USC won at Notre Dame and at AZ State (Irish were jacked up for the game). Texas has been completely dominant this year other than the road game at Ohio State. USC are the defending champs and deserve to be in their position until someone proves otherwise.

VT just isn't on the same level in my opinion.

[Hdshrinker]

It'd be a heck of a lot more impressive than a win over BC. Miami has one of the best defenses in the country and the offense is improving.

BC is the toughest opponent VT has played so far this year, and that aint very impressive after seeing that team in action tonight. VT was previously hanging their hat on a big win over a now unranked Georgia Tech team.

Their resume can't compete with what Texas and USC have accomplished and they should remain behind those two as long as they both win out as expected. Virginia Tech hasn't proven much of anything on the road yet this year.

Texas won at Ohio State (they'd never lost a night game at home before) and USC won at Notre Dame and at AZ State (Irish were jacked up for the game). Texas has been completely dominant this year other than the road game at Ohio State. USC are the defending champs and deserve to be in their position until someone proves otherwise.

VT just isn't on the same level in my opinion.



KT? What exactly has Texas accomplished? A close and scary win over an Ohio team that is ranked where now? and what else?


USC....29 wins in a row........

So if Va Tech beats Miami.....where then?

[FootballJunkie]

It'd be a heck of a lot more impressive than a win over BC. Miami has one of the best defenses in the country and the offense is improving.

BC is the toughest opponent VT has played so far this year, and that aint very impressive after seeing that team in action tonight. VT was previously hanging their hat on a big win over a now unranked Georgia Tech team.

Their resume can't compete with what Texas and USC have accomplished and they should remain behind those two as long as they both win out as expected. Virginia Tech hasn't proven much of anything on the road yet this year.

Texas won at Ohio State (they'd never lost a night game at home before) and USC won at Notre Dame and at AZ State (Irish were jacked up for the game). Texas has been completely dominant this year other than the road game at Ohio State. USC are the defending champs and deserve to be in their position until someone proves otherwise.

VT just isn't on the same level in my opinion.


I can't believe you just said that!! UT beat OSU and who the heck else. Oh I forgot Texas Tech. UT plays in the BIG XII and lets face it it is DOWN this year. OK UT has been dominant this year but They were not DOMINANT against OSU so what are you saying. ULL or RICE or maybe Missouri how about a 3 loss OU. Your argument is flawed big time. If we are hanging are hats on GT that was ranked 15 at the time then if I read correctly OSU has lost again since UT beat them so maybe they were overated and UT struggled. Penn ST beat them worse!! Now if my eyesight is correct just add WVU to the list of top 25 teams VTECH has beaten and that was ON THE ROAD. And just for the sake of argument why don't you tell me what UT has really accomplished this year???

[KT2000]

Ohio State was ranked #4 at the time and are #12 now at 5-2. They still have a chance to win the Big 10. Regardless, to go in their house and be able to win is a huge accomplishment given their track record there. I don't think you can overstate that especially given it was so early in the year. It's tough to get ready to play in an environment like that for your second game of the year. No one does that anymore.

Texas dominated a surging Colorado team (beat up on Fran's pendulum swingers the week before) that many thought could beat them. Texas went to Columbia and blew a tricky Mizzou team off of their own field. Tech came in ranked #7 in the BCS and on fire offensively. Dominated by Texas.

Key word being...domination.

The fact that you are even questing Texas' superiority over VA Tech tells me you probably haven't seen Texas play more than one game this year. It's not even close in my estimation. Aside from the stats, it's easy to see just watching the two teams.

[FootballJunkie]

Ohio State was ranked #4 at the time and are #12 now at 5-2. They still have a chance to win the Big 10. Regardless, to go in their house and be able to win is a huge accomplishment given their track record there. I don't think you can overstate that especially given it was so early in the year. It's tough to get ready to play in an environment like that for your second game of the year. No one does that anymore.

Texas dominated a surging Colorado team that many thought could beat them. Texas went to Columbia and blew a tricky Mizzou team off of their own field. Tech came in ranked #7 in the BCS and on fire offensively. Dominated by Texas.

Key word being...domination.

The fact that you are even questing Texas' superiority over VA Tech tells me you probably haven't seen Texas play more than one game this year. It's not even close in my estimation. Aside from the stats, it's easy to see just watching the two teams.


Well perhaps I see it this way. UT went to OHIO and struggled against a

PRESEASON #4, overated as we see later. They beat Colorado that had

already been beaten by MIAMI which VTech will beat. I don't remember any

analyst saying Colorado would beat UT if I'm wrong please give me his name.

Missouri was not tricky their only weapon was their QB. Tech is Tech please

don't use them for an argument. As for domination VTech's Defense IS that.

The offense is a good compliment. So from what I see UT can blow out the

teams in the BIG XII which is DOWN this year but against a 2 loss OSU team

that high powered offense struggled. SO, I say again what exactly have they

accomplished. UT undefeated...VTech undefeated

[wide-e-wide]

Ohio State was ranked #4 at the time and are #12 now at 5-2. They still have a chance to win the Big 10. Regardless, to go in their house and be able to win is a huge accomplishment given their track record there. I don't think you can overstate that especially given it was so early in the year. It's tough to get ready to play in an environment like that for your second game of the year. No one does that anymore.

Texas dominated a surging Colorado team (beat up on Fran's pendulum swingers the week before) that many thought could beat them. Texas went to Columbia and blew a tricky Mizzou team off of their own field. Tech came in ranked #7 in the BCS and on fire offensively. Dominated by Texas.

Key word being...domination.

The fact that you are even questing Texas' superiority over VA Tech tells me you probably haven't seen Texas play more than one game this year. It's not even close in my estimation. Aside from the stats, it's easy to see just watching the two teams.


Exactly...I've watched every Texas game this year...some of them twice.
And I have now watched 2 VaTech games....dude it wouldn't even be close.
Not just saying that because I love the Horns...it's just obvious. Anybody that has watched both teams and doesn't see that....is freakin' Stevie Wonder.

[FootballJunkie]

Exactly...I've watched every Texas game this year...some of them twice.
And I have now watched 2 VaTech games....dude it wouldn't even be close.
Not just saying that because I love the Horns...it's just obvious. Anybody that has watched both teams and doesn't see that....is freakin' Stevie Wonder.


OK that is just what everyone thought about OU vs USC. I know you remember struggling against OSU. What on earth thinks you would do any better against VTech and especially USC. Oh your opinion so that makes it so. Forgive me psychic friend I forgot. :rolleyes:

[Primetime536]

KT? What exactly has Texas accomplished? A close and scary win over an Ohio team that is ranked where now? and what else?


USC....29 wins in a row........

So if Va Tech beats Miami.....where then?
I think people are misunderstanding me, im not saying VT is a better team than texas, just that if they win out with their schedule
they deserve a shot at the title

[GTown02]

I think people are misunderstanding me, im not saying VT is a better team than texas, just that if they win out with their schedule
they deserve a shot at the title
Of course they deserve a shot at the NC, any team that goes undefeated though their conference shoudl have a shot... but that doesnt mean they will get one... This is just another example of how the BCS system is crap... we could have 3 or 4 undefeated teams at the end of the season, and 2 will get the boot. If we had a playoff system, we wouldnt have this argument...

[FootballJunkie]

Of course they deserve a shot at the NC, any team that goes undefeated though their conference shoudl have a shot... but that doesnt mean they will get one... This is just another example of how the BCS system is crap... we could have 3 or 4 undefeated teams at the end of the season, and 2 will get the boot. If we had a playoff system, we wouldnt have this argument...


Yea this is true. But, since the powers that be don't see fit to have one we will continue to have these arguments.

[KT2000]

FootballJunkie,

Stupid question of the day...are you a Texas A&M supporter?

[wide-e-wide]

FootballJunkie,

Stupid question of the day...are you a Texas A&M supporter?


Chugga marroo my neck,my neck...Mr. Magoo caneck
Whoop!

[FootballJunkie]

FootballJunkie,

Stupid question of the day...are you a Texas A&M supporter?


Are you serious??? Not at all. I am strictly an East Coast ACC guy when it come to college football. I am FROM VA!! :D

Would it not be a boring world if everyone shared the same opinion???

[KT2000]

I was actually curious. A&M fans have what they call a burning sensation in their urine to hate everything UT, so I wanted to clear that particular hurdle before we got any further into it. Had you responded yes, I would have followed up with "No further questions." and left the thread all together.

The fact that we even have to debate this is ridiculous. We should be able to point to a playoff bracket and say...it'll all settle out in the end and we'll see who's best because only one will be left standing.

[FootballJunkie]

I was actually curious. A&M fans have what they call a burning sensation in their urine to hate everything UT, so I wanted to clear that particular hurdle before we got any further into it. Had you responded yes, I would have followed up with "No further questions." and left the thread all together.

The fact that we even have to debate this is ridiculous. We should be able to point to a playoff bracket and say...it'll all settle out in the end and we'll see who's best because only one will be left standing.


I agree 100% with you again. Until we have that then these type of arguments will continue. Me, not being a UT fan as so many of you are makes it a lot easier to look at things from a different point of view as well as it being fun to be the lone voice that disagrees with the hundreds up here that believe UT is the geatest. Go back and you will see that I never said UT did not have a good team. That was not my argument. My argument is that if Auburn can be left out last year because of a so-called weak schedule then don't get alarmed when it happens to someone again. All UT fans will say not to us. I on the other hand say yes it can. The same arguments everyone used to keep Auburn out last year can be used to keep UT out this year. Is that just opinion or Fact. Look at the stretch run for both teams and both win out. Honestly tell me you don't get a little nervous. Especially when computers are involved. If one team loses hey it's a mute point and it has been fun going back and forth. If not it will be an interesting wait on that final BCS ranking!!

[KT2000]

A different opinion doesn't necessarily equal being right. You seem to have a favorite team/conference like some of us Texas folk do. No one is without bias.

I'm not nervous at all as far as Texas is concerned. The onfield performances speak for themselves and the pollsters have taken notice. If UT didn't get such a big boost from the computers when the first and second rankings came out, I might think VA Tech had a shot.

Texas has covered the difficult part of their schedule already and VA Tech is just now starting to get into theirs.

Texas is in control of its own destiny. Bottom line, if you look at the poll numbers and the computer figures, the Longhorns will be in the Rose Bowl as long as they win out. VA Tech can make up ground in the computers playing people like Miami and Florida State (assuming they win both games which obviously isn't a given). However, the human polls make up the huge majority of the BCS figure and Texas has a very firm standing there behind USC. The Longhorns' dominant wins have really impressed the pollsters.

If you take a step back and look at the where each stands (no biases involved) it's very tough to see how VA Tech can make up enough ground in both the computer and human polls if both win out. Texas has dropped an anchor in that 2nd position behind USC there, and that's not going to change as long as they win out.

[FootballJunkie]

A different opinion doesn't necessarily equal being right. You seem to have a favorite team/conference like some of us Texas folk do. No one is without bias.

I'm not nervous at all as far as Texas is concerned. The onfield performances speak for themselves and the pollsters have taken notice. If UT didn't get such a big boost from the computers when the first and second rankings came out, I might think VA Tech had a shot.

Texas has covered the difficult part of their schedule already and VA Tech is just now starting to get into theirs.

Texas is in control of its own destiny. Bottom line, if you look at the poll numbers and the computer figures, the Longhorns will be in the Rose Bowl as long as they win out. VA Tech can make up ground in the computers playing people like Miami and Florida State (assuming they win both games which obviously isn't a given). However, the human polls make up the huge majority of the BCS figure and Texas has a very firm standing there behind USC. The Longhorns' dominant wins have really impressed the pollsters.

If you take a step back and look at the where each stands (no biases involved) it's very tough to see how VA Tech can make up enough ground in both the computer and human polls if both win out. Texas has dropped an anchor in that 2nd position behind USC there, and that's not going to change as long as they win out.

OK lets look at the human polls. Do you remember them skipping UT over Cal last year?? I think you do. UT is still #2 in human polls and VTech is #3. Not that big of a jump 1 spot. If you look at the coaches poll VTECH is only 65 points behind UT and they have 3 first place votes. Lets see what the poll looks like on Monday!!

[KT2000]

The BCS underwent a huge change during the off-season. The computers don't hold near the influence this year that they did last year or the years before. The human element is the more dominant presence. VT can make up ground in the computers, but I don't see them taking as many human points as they need from USC and Texas if both win out.

VT will have to dominate the rest of their schedule to have a shot in my opinion. Everyone in the running needs an impressive finish, but VT and Georgia much moreso than USC and Texas based on how the numbers are shaking down. Texas and USC have a very healthy lead on the field right now.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/files/2005-long2.pdf

[FootballJunkie]

The BCS underwent a huge change during the off-season. The computers don't hold near the influence this year that they did last year or the years before. The human element is the more dominant presence. VT can make up ground in the computers, but I don't see them taking as many human points as they need from USC and Texas if both win out.

VT will have to dominate the rest of their schedule to have a shot in my opinion. Everyone in the running needs an impressive finish, but VT and Georgia much moreso than USC and Texas based on how the numbers are shaking down.

OK that is your opinion. Being they are human,What will impress the humans more?? Vtech running the table and beating a Top-10 FSU in the ACC championship or UT not playing a ranked team including their championship?? You are human you tell me what looks better.

Who does have the better resume for the humans to see??

[KT2000]

VT will have to dominate the rest of their schedule to have a shot in my opinion. That's the only opinion expressed in my above post.

VT's finishing schedule still won't eliminate what UT did in the voters' opinion. That is why Texas has the standing it does in the BCS right now. Texas doesn't lose credit. The entire body of work goes into it.

The voters will have no reason to move Texas down unless they are extremeley unimpressive in a game or flat out lose. In human polls (which emply some form of logic), a team's standing doesn't jump from week to week as long as they handle their business.

[FootballJunkie]

VT will have to dominate the rest of their schedule to have a shot in my opinion. That's the only opinion expressed in my above post.

VT's finishing schedule still won't eliminate what UT did in the voters' opinion. That is why Texas has the standing it does in the BCS right now. Texas doesn't lose credit. The entire body of work goes into it.

The voters will have no reason to move Texas down unless they are extremeley unimpressive in a game or flat out lose. In human polls (which emply some form of logic), a team's standing doesn't jump from week to week as long as they handle their business.

Well like I said we will see. New BCS on Monday then another after Miami. The harris pole who knows what they do have you seen that thing. 3-3 Tennesee still in the top 25 what logic is that?? Ap pole not a factor this year. Coaches pole .963 for UT .921 for VTech few more first place votes is all it takes.
Either way will be fun to watch. You I assume will be pulling for all things Texas and I will be pulling for Tech

[HOOKEM]

#15GT, #20WV, #13BC, #6MIAMI, #9FSU, #25UVA!
what if they beat all them
The funny thing is that Ga tech is nolonger ranked,along with Virginia. if you want to rank the teams where they were when they played there respected opponent Texas has already won on the road at #4 ohio state, #24 Colorado and vs.#8 Texas Tech.
Even though Colorado is not ranked they are getting a HE double hockey sticks of a lot more votes than both VA and Ga tech.
So What's your point here.

[FootballJunkie]

The funny thing is that Ga tech is nolonger ranked,along with Virginia. if you want to rank the teams where they were when they played there respected opponent Texas has already won on the road at #4 ohio state, #24 Colorado and vs.#8 Texas Tech.
Even though Colorado is not ranked they are getting a HE double hockey sticks of a lot more votes than both VA and Ga tech.
So What's your point here.

Colorado has already been beaten by an ACC third place team. I mean looks even better when the 3rd place ACC team beats the BigXII North Champion. :D

Week 9 Harris Poll
RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS
1. USC (95) 7-0 2806 1
2. Texas (18) 7-0 2728 2
3. Virginia Tech 7-0 2593 3
4. Georgia 7-0 2453 4
5. Alabama 7-0 2345 5
6. Miami 5-1 2184 6
7. UCLA 7-0 2097 8
8. LSU 5-1 2086 7
9. Florida State 6-1 1846 10
10. Notre Dame 5-2 1781 11
11. Penn State 7-1 1713 12
12. Boston College 6-1 1494 13
13. Ohio State 5-2 1457 14
14. Oregon 7-1 1319 16
15. Wisconsin 7-1 1198 17
16. Texas Tech 6-1 1067 9
17. Florida 5-2 888 19
18. West Virginia 6-1 850 20
19. Auburn 5-2 788 15
20. TCU 7-1 720 22
21. California 6-2 555 23
22. Northwestern 5-2 373 NR
23. Minnesota 5-2 273 25
24. Fresno State 5-1 264 NR
25. Tennessee 3-3 181 18
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
Louisville 180, Michigan 159, Missouri 58, Georgia Tech 49, UTEP 21, Toledo 14, Virginia 11, ARIZONA STATE 10, Nebraska 9, SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI 9, TEXAS AM 8, MICHIGAN STATE 8, Oregon State 5, Iowa 4, COLORADO STATE 2, Clemson 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see Colorado mentioned but I see Georgia Tech, Virginia and even Clemson also receiving VOTES.

[GTown02]

How does Colorado State get points, but Colorado doesnt!? Interesting poll...

[FootballJunkie]

How does Colorado State get points, but Colorado doesnt!? Interesting poll...


It's one of the poles THE BCS uses so go figure :rolleyes:

[HOOKEM]

Colorado has already been beaten by an ACC third place team. I mean looks even better when the 3rd place ACC team beats the BigXII North Champion. :D

Week 9 Harris Poll
RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS
1. USC (95) 7-0 2806 1
2. Texas (18) 7-0 2728 2
3. Virginia Tech 7-0 2593 3
4. Georgia 7-0 2453 4
5. Alabama 7-0 2345 5
6. Miami 5-1 2184 6
7. UCLA 7-0 2097 8
8. LSU 5-1 2086 7
9. Florida State 6-1 1846 10
10. Notre Dame 5-2 1781 11
11. Penn State 7-1 1713 12
12. Boston College 6-1 1494 13
13. Ohio State 5-2 1457 14
14. Oregon 7-1 1319 16
15. Wisconsin 7-1 1198 17
16. Texas Tech 6-1 1067 9
17. Florida 5-2 888 19
18. West Virginia 6-1 850 20
19. Auburn 5-2 788 15
20. TCU 7-1 720 22
21. California 6-2 555 23
22. Northwestern 5-2 373 NR
23. Minnesota 5-2 273 25
24. Fresno State 5-1 264 NR
25. Tennessee 3-3 181 18
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
Louisville 180, Michigan 159, Missouri 58, Georgia Tech 49, UTEP 21, Toledo 14, Virginia 11, ARIZONA STATE 10, Nebraska 9, SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI 9, TEXAS AM 8, MICHIGAN STATE 8, Oregon State 5, Iowa 4, COLORADO STATE 2, Clemson 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see Colorado mentioned but I see Georgia Tech, Virginia and even Clemson also receiving VOTES.

Go ahead and base your ***-sumptions on the Harris poll, the least credible of all polls. By the way let's just see how your argument stands up after
miami beats vt next week.

[FootballJunkie]

Go ahead and base your ***-sumptions on the Harris poll, the least credible of all polls. By the way let's just see how your argument stands up after
miami beats vt next week.

If Miami beats VTech then nothing else needs to be said. If VTech wins then UT be very afraid. As bad as the Harris pole is it is still 1/3 of the BCS formula so like I said earlier.

Smile when they move you up...Keep smiling when they move you down!!! :D