Obama fires back.

[t-long20]

Obama confronts racial division
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_race

PHILADELPHIA - Barack Obama confronted the nation's racial divide head-on Tuesday, tackling both black grievance and white resentment in a bold effort to quiet a campaign uproar over race and his former pastor's incendiary statements.

Standing before a row of eight American flags near the building where the Declaration of Independence was adopted, Obama urged the nation to break "a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years.'"

"The anger is real," he said. "It is powerful, and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races."

The speech, at the National Constitution Center, was by far the most prominent airing of racial issues in Obama's 13-month campaign to become the first black president. It was prompted by the wider notice his former pastor's racial statements have been receiving in the past week or so.

He said he recognized his race has been a major issue in a campaign that has taken a "particularly divisive turn." Many people have been turning to the Internet to view statements by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who suggested in one sermon that the United States brought the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on itself and in another said blacks should damn America for continuing to mistreat them.

Obama rejected Wright's divisive statements but still embraced the man who brought him to Christianity, officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and inspired the title of his book "The Audacity of Hope."

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," Obama said. "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

Obama's father is a black Kenyan who left the family when he was 2. He was raised by his white mother and her parents in Hawaii.

Wright's controversial statements have gotten new life as his church's most prominent member became the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination. A CBS News poll taken Sunday and Monday indicated most voters had heard at least something about Wright's comments, and about a third said they made them feel more negative.

Obama at first tried to avoid the controversy. Then he responded Friday in a blog entry on the Huffington Post in which he said he was not in church to hear those comments and condemned them. That only increased news coverage, and Obama's advisers said he came to them Saturday saying he wanted to deliver a major speech to address the controversy and broader problems of race in the country.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's chief Democratic rival, said she was glad Obama had given the speech.

"Issues of race and gender in America have been complicated throughout our history, and they are complicated in this primary campaign," said Clinton, also campaigning in Philadelphia. "There have been detours and pitfalls along the way, but we should remember that this is a historic moment for the Democratic Party and for our country. We will be nominating the first African-American or woman for the presidency of the United States, and that is something that all Americans can and should celebrate."

Obama's speech also drew praise from one of his former Democratic presidential rivals who has not endorsed him or Clinton. Delaware Sen. Joe Biden called it powerful, truthful and "one of most important speeches we've heard in a long time"

"He told the story of America — both the good and the bad — and I believe his speech will come to represent an important step forward in race relations in our country," Biden said.

Obama advisers said he wrote the deeply personal speech himself. They said it was delivered in Philadelphia because of the city's historical significance, not because it is the most populous black city in Pennsylvania, site of the next primary vote on April 22.

Obama said he came to Wright's church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, nearly 20 years ago because he was inspired by the pastor's message of hope and his inspiration to rebuild the black community. He also said black anger persists over injustice in America, and whites shouldn't be surprised that it bursts out in sermons.

"The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning," he said.

"In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed," Obama said.

Obama said it's not just blacks who are angry — some whites are, too, because they feel blacks are often given an unfair advantage through affirmative action.

"When they are told to bus their children to a school across town, when they hear that an African-American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed, when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time," he said.

"If we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care or education or the need to find good jobs for every American," Obama said, drawing a rare burst of applause in a somber address.

During an interview with ABC's "Nightline" for broadcast Tuesday night, Obama said he always expected he'd have to give the race speech, but that he didn't anticipate the subject would come up in the way that it did.

"This is a big leap for the country," he said. "Even me being the nominee is a big leap and then, obviously, actually being the president is a big leap. ... What I want to do is to make sure that we understand that my campaign is not premised on that, it's not premised on making history, but that, whoever is president, this is always going to be an ongoing issue that we have to struggle with and that, perhaps, I can lend some special insight into."

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who until Obama had been the black candidate closest to winning a major party's presidential nomination, said video of Wright's sermons had threatened to derail the campaign with racial fear — along with comments by Clinton supporter Geraldine Ferraro that Obama wouldn't have gotten so far in the campaign if he were white.

"He made the case we've been here before, but not this time will we linger. This time we're going to higher ground," Jackson said.

[t-long20]

And heres a link to that racist pastor.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_pastor;_ylt=Au.XG9T5Eu9ILztxqxL1f85h24cA

Yet while the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's racially tinged messages still resonate in some black churches, evidence also suggests his style is receding into the past as civil rights-era pastors retire. Sermons in other congregations now focus less on societal divisions and more on the connection between spirituality and a materially prosperous life.

Wright's words have come under intense scrutiny because of his long association with Obama, a member of his Chicago congregation. Video clips widely circulated in the past week show Wright, in a booming voice, suggesting that America's actions were partly to blame for the Sept. 11 attacks and accusing the country of continuing to mistreat blacks

Wright, he said, failed to recognize the nation's great progress in race relations, embodied by Obama's own candidacy for president. But Obama also pointed out Wright's good works and attempted to put his comments in context, noting that Wright and his contemporaries grew up during an era of segregation and restricted opportunity.

More than three decades ago, Wright took over a small, demoralized congregation on Chicago's impoverished South Side and built it into the largest church in the liberal, mostly white United Church of Christ.

At the 8,000-member Trinity United Church of Christ, the slogan "Unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian" has meant preaching about divestment during South Africa's apartheid era. It has also meant fighting poverty, homelessness and AIDS at home. The religious message has been anything but watered down, with Wright dissecting Bible passages line-by-line.

The pastor's experience is grounded not only in the civil rights movement, but also in 1960s black liberation theology, which applies the Christian Gospel to contemporary struggles against race-based oppression.

[mojotrain]

Obama confronts racial division
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_race

I would hope that his own old preacher and members of that congragation viewed in those tapes of long, long ago were sitting in the fron row listing to him. Those fully taped sermons for sale were hateful don't you think?

[t-long20]

Somehow "I told you so" just doesn't cut it.

While Trinity United Church of Christ is more Afrocentric and slightly more political than most black churches, "even conservative black churches talk about racism in a way that many whites would find wounding or offensive," said Gary Dorrien, a religion professor at Columbia University in New York.


"Most white Americans have a very limited capacity for dealing with black anger or acknowledging their own racial privileges," Dorrien said. "Wherever white people are dominant, whiteness is transparent to them. In black church communities, dealing with that problem is an every-week issue

[t-long20]

I would hope that his own old preacher and members of that congragation viewed in those tapes of long, long ago were sitting in the fron row listing to him. Those fully taped sermons for sale were hateful don't you think?

refer to post #4 than slap yourself.

[GoOwls]

refer to post #4 than slap yourself.

Juan Williams thinks Obama fell far short in his statements.

[TheBigPeach]

I think he said all he could say. He had to do something to clear up all the controversy.

[HebronHawk]

You know that Christians can serve as slaves and still be Christians. I don't see the link between Wright's sermons on race and Christianity.

Seems like the church was just a segregated meeting place where pro Black racial sayings could be spouted safely without media attention.

Am I missing something?

[ktCarl]

I think he said all he could say. He had to do something to clear up all the controversy.


Clear as mud!!! For someone 'new and exciting' trying to bring about 'change' it sounds like the same old political fluff.

[mad_fan]

Re: Obama fires back.

I thought he misfired back...

[GoOwls]

I think he said all he could say. He had to do something to clear up all the controversy.



Juan Williams, the noted liberal/Democrat from NPR (National Public Radio), and also a black man, just said that Obama did not do enough to distance himself from the "god da...America" comment, along with the others, because Obama used that church to establish an identity in the black community, due to being bi-racial, and used that affiliation and credibility to further his political career. If he turns his back on that church and Wright, it would destroy his credibility...no matter how he feels about the comments.

Not my words, a paraphrase of Juan.

[drgnbkr]

Clear as mud!!! For someone 'new and exciting' trying to bring about 'change' it sounds like the same old political fluff.

Hope, hope, change, change.....Nothing new in that speech..but I guess he doesn't really get the notion of damage control anyway...I have this mental image of Obama trying desperately to get the toothpaste back in the tube, while asking his lame preacher buddy to get out there and blame somebody..."It has to be somebody elses fault...couldn't be mine..."

[TrojanHorse03]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/Story?id=4472576&page=1

[Fleeman93]

Somehow "I told you so" just doesn't cut it.


Was this a black man that said that white men would not understand what is said in a black church?

[t-long20]

Was this a black man that said that white men would not understand what is said in a black church?

Yahoo reported this article . In his speech he said no such thing. But ofcourse you would assume that.
While Trinity United Church of Christ is more Afrocentric and slightly more political than most black churches, "even conservative black churches talk about racism in a way that many whites would find wounding or offensive," said Gary Dorrien, a religion professor at Columbia University in New York.

[t-long20]

Hope, hope, change, change.....Nothing new in that speech..but I guess he doesn't really get the notion of damage control anyway...I have this mental image of Obama trying desperately to get the toothpaste back in the tube, while asking his lame preacher buddy to get out there and blame somebody..."It has to be somebody elses fault...couldn't be mine..."

I missed the part where he actually blamed someone else.

[t-long20]

Re: Obama fires back.

I thought he misfired back...

Actually im the one who came up with the thread title. Nice try mad

[Favpack]

I thought it was an excellent speech. I understand alot folks have/had already made up their mind - and it is unfortunate the whole thing went down. It does irk me that apparently some think Obama IS this pastor - which I don't think is the case.

But, Obama should have known this day was coming - apparently you don't have to look too hard to find sermons of this type from Pastor Wright.

[JMSFan]

Obama Merely Changes The Subject
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: Rather than break ties with his demagogic, anti-American pastor, Barack Obama used a speech on race to excuse his behavior and sweep the controversy under the rug. Passing the buck is not very presidential.



Speaking in Philadelphia, steps away from where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were enacted, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination for president delivered an address that used the words "race" or "races" 11 times, "racial" or "racially" 15 times, and "racism" or "racist" six times.

But Obama's recent troubles, which this much-hyped speech was supposed to put past him, are not about race relations. They're about one churchman who happens to be black, whose views from the pulpit are repugnant and from whom Obama doesn't seem to have the guts to distance himself.

Reacting to being linked with a bigoted conspiracy theorist by lecturing the nation on race is like disgraced ex-New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer responding to his getting caught patronizing an international prostitution ring by giving a speech on the female physique.

The supposed divide between black and white is not the issue here; Obama's longtime association with Jeremiah Wright is.

This is a man who believes the U.S. government formulated the HIV virus to commit genocide against blacks and that it is also responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, Obama claimed in his speech to have "condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy." But he quickly proceeded to equivocate regarding them.

The problem, according to Obama, is not that Wright is wrong about America being a racist society, but that he "sees white racism as endemic." The problem is not that Wright has made statements that clearly seem anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli, but that he, as Obama puts it, "sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."

Obama's pastor of 20 years is nothing more than "imperfect," as Obama sees it. And so, "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community." He won't quit this church where hate is spewed, and he doesn't explain why over all the years he has never tried to straighten Wright out.

The rest of Obama's speech was spent explaining and rationalizing hate such as Wright's rather than denouncing it. Wright's words "reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through," the result of which has been "a cycle of violence, blight and neglect" still haunting America.

The solutions? Expanded government for one, of course. But while Obama concedes that "the erosion of black families" is "a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened," he fails to understand what "Wealth and Poverty" author George Gilder knew back in 1981:

"What actually happened since 1964 was a vast expansion of the welfare rolls that halted in its tracks an ongoing improvement in the lives of the poor, particularly blacks, and left behind . . . a wreckage of broken lives and families worse than the aftermath of slavery."

Another of Obama's answers is that black anger and white resentment should give way to "the real culprits" — capitalists, or as Obama puts it, "a corporate culture rife with inside-dealing, questionable accounting practices and short-term greed" and Washington lobbyists who support it.

The early reaction to Obama's speech amounted to more media fawning on the order of that which was spoofed in a recent "Saturday Night Live" sketch. The Reuters headline was "Obama denounces preacher, urges race healing." The Boston Globe titled its story "Obama calls for racial unity." And the Washington Post proclaimed: "Obama Confronts Race in U.S." A CNN analyst even compared it to Lincoln's 1858 "A House Divided" classic.

Lincoln, however, used that occasion to warn that "this government cannot endure, permanently half-slave and half-free . . . . It will become all one thing or all the other." Unlike Obama, Honest Abe wasn't trying to have it both ways.

[t-long20]

I thought it was an excellent speech. I understand alot folks have/had already made up their mind - and it is unfortunate the whole thing went down. It does irk me that apparently some think Obama IS this pastor - which I don't think is the case.

But, Obama should have known this day was coming - apparently you don't have to look too hard to find sermons of this type from Pastor Wright.

Exactly some people post as if Obama is an idiot and his former pastor is the most rasict man on earth. I can understand concern but don't jump the boat before it sets sail.
Yet messages like Wright's are still heard in the majority of black churches because most are in poor, urban areas with high black unemployment and other inequities, said Hopkins, of the University of Chicago.

[t-long20]

Obama Merely Changes The Subject
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: Rather than break ties with his demagogic, anti-American pastor, Barack Obama used a speech on race to excuse his behavior and sweep the controversy under the rug. Passing the buck is not very presidential.



Speaking in Philadelphia, steps away from where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were enacted, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination for president delivered an address that used the words "race" or "races" 11 times, "racial" or "racially" 15 times, and "racism" or "racist" six times.

But Obama's recent troubles, which this much-hyped speech was supposed to put past him, are not about race relations. They're about one churchman who happens to be black, whose views from the pulpit are repugnant and from whom Obama doesn't seem to have the guts to distance himself.



I find it how abcnews and yahoo are alot more credible and unbiased than Investors business daily?
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/707/fail34ke2.jpg

[twcpfan1]

I thought it was an excellent speech. I understand alot folks have/had already made up their mind - and it is unfortunate the whole thing went down. It does irk me that apparently some think Obama IS this pastor - which I don't think is the case.

But, Obama should have known this day was coming - apparently you don't have to look too hard to find sermons of this type from Pastor Wright.

I think everybody knows, but cannot admit to themselves that it was a good speech. Pretty soon, people are going to wake up to the fact that Obama being president is a real possibility. Personally, I'm still not sure which way I'm going to go, come November. Leaning towards McCain, but definitely not discounting the other two.

[t-long20]

I think everybody knows, but cannot admit to themselves that it was a good speech. Pretty soon, people are going to wake up to the fact that Obama being president is a real possibility. Personally, I'm still not sure which way I'm going to go, come November. Leaning towards McCain, but definitely not discounting the other two.

IMO that speech helped but there are still ignorant people out there who will continure to use this as a weapon against him. Obama has exploded into the media like parish hilton did when she went to jail. All this talk about race, im not even sure America is ready for a black president.

[twcpfan1]

IMO that speech helped but there are still ignorant people out there who will continure to use this as a weapon against him. Obama has exploded into the media like parish hilton did when she went to jail. All this talk about race, im not even sure America is ready for a black president.

Like it or not, right or wrong, race is an issue in this election and can potentially polarize this country more than than it ever has in recent history. Whether the reasons are justified or not, that must come into play when casting your vote.

[JMSFan]

IMO that speech helped but there are still ignorant people out there who will continure to use this as a weapon against him. Obama has exploded into the media like parish hilton did when she went to jail. All this talk about race, im not even sure America is ready for a black president.

I didnt put that post that editorial on here for you to begin your name calling again. I put that on here for everyone to see another's view on it. Not just the mainstream media view.
Look, I know you are riding Obama's jock, and thats cool. Its your choice.

[DrEdward]

I think everybody knows, but cannot admit to themselves that it was a good speech. Pretty soon, people are going to wake up to the fact that Obama being president is a real possibility. Personally, I'm still not sure which way I'm going to go, come November. Leaning towards McCain, but definitely not discounting the other two.

I believe most folks thought it was a well done speech. But one can listen to a speech and not find it convincing. I would have been much more impressed had he delivered such a speech way before this Wright mess broke disavowing such remarks by his pastor. As we discussed in the other thread on this, the reason that it is important is the observation that Obama may well be the next President of the United States. Thus it is important to examine his associations with those he considers his intimate advisors, including his long time pastor.

[HUM398]

Ive been to several black churches, and heard countless messages where rasicm was mentioned...and while i didn't always agree with the pastors taste of words, they were never severely wrong.

The problem with wrights messages, is that their is a lot of hate towards white people. In all my life, ive never heard a Pastor or preacher claim that white people actually invented the AIDS virus to kill blacks... It completely and totally absurd. As for Obama, i just don't buy it. His speech lacked a lot of logic....you condemn the pastors views, yet you attended his church for 20 years and never had a problem with any of his stances? If the slightest doctrine is corrupted or false, chances are its not the only unsound doctrine your Pastor is spewing...I'm speaking of this completely and totally from a biblical standpoint. I personally don't believe that Obama is a racist, but im not to sure i want a racist to have access to My President...i mean this guy was his spiritual adviser. In Obama's speech is sounded more like he was trying to Justify Rev. Wrights attempt at condemning perceived injustice....

While the Media has cherry picked what it wanted to do in this instance, it still rather disturbing that he said it all...And the fact that he embraced Louis Farrakhan (Rev.Wright) doesn't really change my opinion of the Trinity United Church of Christ and their former pastor (or current what ever he is)

[twcpfan1]

I believe most folks thought it was a well done speech. But one can listen to a speech and not find it convincing. I would have been much more impressed had he delivered such a speech way before this Wright mess broke disavowing such remarks by his pastor. As we discussed in the other thread on this, the reason that it is important is the observation that Obama may well be the next President of the United States. Thus it is important to examine his associations with those he considers his intimate advisors, including his long time pastor.

Agreed. Just that an incredible amount of time and energy is being spent on his association with this guy when people should probably be focusing more on what he might do with the economy and foreign policy. Besides, as I've stated before, people should probably be keeping a closer eye on his wife instead of his pastor. Got a feeling that she will have quite a bit of influence on his decision making.

[katyfan52]

I didnt put that post that editorial on here for you to begin your name calling again. I put that on here for everyone to see another's view on it. Not just the mainstream media view.
Look, I know you are riding Obama's jock, and thats cool. Its your choice.
You know, I'm really a live and let live person. I respect the opposing view and do not denigrate those who espouse it. It would be nice to see a little of that coming back in this direction. Whether you agree with his policies or not, he has earned the respect of his peers and even the man you probably want to vote for, and a little more respect for him and his position would be appreciated.

[RocklandDragon]

Analysis from commentators of MSNBC and CNN was favorable to Obama's speech. Fox News wasn't as praising...

Still, for the most part, the speech should stop the bleeding and seeing how MSNBC and CNN were just in pure praise for his speech, he now will get more positive coverage and won't get too much scrutiny from them. H. Clinton won't have much to counter with, because she can't hit him on this issue. Her press coverage was negative and hurt her campaign whenever her campaign was accused of using racial politics.

This speech was important because of the future tallies of the remaining primary states. Obama won't win Pennsylvania or West Virginia or not even Indiana or Kentucy. However, since he won't get fully blown out in those states (example a 69% to 31%) and he will win some other states, he is on the path to the Democratic nomination. More so, he will have more actual votes and pledged delegates when the Democratic National Convention takes place.

This speech and how he did ensures that his campaign doesn't collapse and Hillary can't be there to pick up the pieces.

Oh, but the Superdelegates might think otherwise, because this issue of Rev. Wright might not be a major factor in the Dem. primary but it certainly won't win people over in the general election.

The Superdelegates would have a valid point saying that this issue can hurt independents and the negative coverage of Obama and more dirt being uncovered could make him unelectable. It is a valid point and certainly conserative groups, RNC supporters, etc. could easily bring this up and remind the general public of his association with other questionable figures. Still, H. Clinton is polarizing and with all the resources and clear advantage she had in the beginning of this primary and is now losing to a 1st term Senator with not much experience highlights that she is a flawed candidate. The Superdelegates would have a point questioning his electability but H. Clinton should not get the nomination if she is losing to him when the convention arrives...and the Democratic party could be in chaos if she does get the nomination over the votes of the people.

This all helps John McCain.

Right now, Sen. John McCain is enjoying all this negative coverage of Obama and Clinton. The prolonged fight and dirt that is being exposed against both Democrats, is certainly going to have people view McCain more favorably and garner more votes in the general election.

Long term, this could be a problem for Sen. Obama. I think he did a decent job in the speech. Let's see how in polls if he was able to keep his presidential bid from derailing.

:confused:

[HUM398]

You know, I'm really a live and let live person. I respect the opposing view and do not denigrate those who espouse it. It would be nice to see a little of that coming back in this direction. Whether you agree with his policies or not, he has earned the respect of his peers and even the man you probably want to vote for, and a little more respect for him and his position would be appreciated.

You know what they say....10% of respect is deserved, the other 90% has to be earned.

With all that being said, Obama has 10% of that respect coming from me...He has not done anything to deserve that 90%

[katyfan52]

I think everybody knows, but cannot admit to themselves that it was a good speech. Pretty soon, people are going to wake up to the fact that Obama being president is a real possibility. Personally, I'm still not sure which way I'm going to go, come November. Leaning towards McCain, but definitely not discounting the other two.
Most on here have already made up their minds about him, and will probably never look for anything but the negative where he is concerned. That's just the way it is. :(

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Truth be told.. if you hated Obama before his Ex-Preacher (Wright) was heard spouting "hatred" about white Americans, you still hate him even after he says he disagreed w/ many of Wright's viewpoints. Obama could part the dark clouds, cure cancer w/ a kiss, designate Texas as the premiere football state and walk on water and those who dislike him would dislike him still. That's just our world. That's just the way things are. You can make all the excuses for why you dislike (he just talks, he doesn't clarify himself, he doesn't have experience, blah, blah, blah...) but the truth is there's pretty much nothing that can be done to change your mind.

In fairness, it's the exact same way vice versa. Those who love the guy.. will love him even if he actually adopts Ohio as the only state for true football, openly supports OU Sooner football, professes his love for gangster rap, admits he secretly has a crush on Britney Spears :puke and loves her.. "singing voice" and refers to General Patton as the biggest :Censor: of all-time!!! :eek:

Hey, we're American! We have the right to be mindless diehards for whatever cause we wish! Hey, maybe I'm wrong.. and that's the whole point on the war in Iraq... to help give them the right to be ---holes and morons, just like us! :D

[drgnbkr]

I missed the part where he actually blamed someone else.

Thats because you don't want to see...Obama is blaming the pastor for the idiotic stuff comming out of his mouth, when Obama sat there for 20 years agreeing with it....If he had ever dissagreed with any part of it, he would have simply gotten up, grabbed his family and found a church that was more compatible with his views on America...It speaks volumes that he sat there for those 20 years, nodding, having the guy marry him, and openly agreeing with him by supporting him....That's the part you missed because you just don't want to see...

[drgnbkr]

Truth be told.. if you hated Obama before his Ex-Preacher (Wright) was heard spouting "hatred" about white Americans, you still hate him even after he says he disagreed w/ many of Wright's viewpoints. Obama could part the dark clouds, cure cancer w/ a kiss, designate Texas as the premiere football state and walk on water and those who dislike him would dislike him still. That's just our world. That's just the way things are. You can make all the excuses for why you dislike (he just talks, he doesn't clarify himself, he doesn't have experience, blah, blah, blah...) but the truth is there's pretty much nothing that can be done to change your mind.

In fairness, it's the exact same way vice versa. Those who love the guy.. will love him even if he actually adopts Ohio as the only state for true football, openly supports OU Sooner football, professes his love for gangster rap, admits he secretly has a crush on Britney Spears :puke and loves her.. "singing voice" and refers to General Patton as the biggest :Censor: of all-time!!! :eek:

Hey, we're American! We have the right to be mindless diehards for whatever cause we wish! Hey, maybe I'm wrong.. and that's the whole point on the war in Iraq... to help give them the right to be ---holes and morons, just like us! :D


I never hated Obama and don't now...He just has been uncovered as a part of an America hating church...Obama is so liberal he borders on socialism..that's why I could never vote for him...Hate has no place here and definately has no place in a church....

[katyfan52]

You know what they say....10% of respect is deserved, the other 90% has to be earned.

With all that being said, Obama has 10% of that respect coming from me...He has not done anything to deserve that 90%
So you think his hard work earns him so little just because you disagree with him? Thank goodness he's not counting on your respect to prop him up. :rolleyes: He's managed to earn the respect of John McCain, which is a more reliable test as far as I'm concerned. It was the "jock strap" comment that I really took exception to, and the respect I was talking about was not just for Mr. Obama, but for his (JMS) fellow posters, including me.

[yankee]

So you think his hard work earns him so little just because you disagree with him? Thank goodness he's not counting on your respect to prop him up. :rolleyes: He's managed to earn the respect of John McCain, which is a more reliable test as far as I'm concerned. It was the "jock strap" comment that I really took exception to, and the respect I was talking about was not just for Mr. Obama, but for his (JMS) fellow posters, including me.

or maybe you shouldn't make such a big deal out of a little comment...:confused:

[yankee]

Thats because you don't want to see...Obama is blaming the pastor for the idiotic stuff comming out of his mouth, when Obama sat there for 20 years agreeing with it....If he had ever dissagreed with any part of it, he would have simply gotten up, grabbed his family and found a church that was more compatible with his views on America...It speaks volumes that he sat there for those 20 years, nodding, having the guy marry him, and openly agreeing with him by supporting him....That's the part you missed because you just don't want to see...

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[JMSFan]

The reason I have been harping so much on Obama and his pastor is because that is what these threads have been about. And it is only logical to conclude that his relationship with Wright is not a good thing if he becomes the leader of our country.
As far as his policies go, there are many things that I dont agree with, but have yet to state those. There are many questions about why he states one stance, then once it gets time to vote, he goes the other way 1. Obama has not supported cutting funding to the war as a way to end U.S. involvement in the conflict. He stated that, "Once we were in, we were going to have some responsibility to try to make it work as best we can". Obama was however one of 14 senators who voted against the successful passage of H.R.2206 in May 2007, a bill meant to provide continued funding for the Iraq war free from any withdrawal deadlines. 2. He supports gun control. 3. He claims to be a man of faith, yet he voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment which would have defined marriage as between one man and one woman.Obama stated on March 15, 2007, that "I do not agree...that homosexuality is immoral." During the July 23, 2007 CNN/YouTube debate, Obama further stated that "... we've got to make sure that everybody is equal under the law. And the civil unions that I proposed would be equivalent in terms of making sure that all the rights that are conferred by the state are equal for same-sex couples as well as for heterosexual couples 4.He has advocated closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, but has not supported two specific bills that would have done so. 5.He voted against the Flag Desecration Amendment in 2006, arguing that flag burning didn't justify a constitutional amendment, but said that he would support a law banning flag burning.
Most of this information came form Wikipedia.

[STJL41]

Truth be told.. if you hated Obama before his Ex-Preacher (Wright) was heard spouting "hatred" about white Americans, you still hate him even after he says he disagreed w/ many of Wright's viewpoints. Obama could part the dark clouds, cure cancer w/ a kiss, designate Texas as the premiere football state and walk on water and those who dislike him would dislike him still. That's just our world. That's just the way things are. You can make all the excuses for why you dislike (he just talks, he doesn't clarify himself, he doesn't have experience, blah, blah, blah...) but the truth is there's pretty much nothing that can be done to change your mind.

If he does both of those things he gets me vote.


I have a hard time with this issue...I've sat in church and heard preachers say things I disagree with but I didn't walk out. On the other hand, I never heard a preacher say the United States invented AIDS to wipe out the black community. I'm more than aware that "black churches" operate in a different manner from "white churches" and the issue of race relations can be a hot topic at times, especially for a pastor who grew up before and during the civil rights movement. I find it strange, however, that Obama could be the unifying, understanding and open minded man he claims to be while still having a "spiritual advisor" who holds such views...views that do not appear to be unifying (except for within his own community) understanding or open minded.

I'm aware that racism is still alive and well in America, but people like Jeremiah Wright refuse to acknowledge that this racism is present in every community, be it whites, hispanics, asians, blacks or anyone else. Villifying the white community is not the way to esure steps towards true racial equality.

[JMSFan]

So you think his hard work earns him so little just because you disagree with him? Thank goodness he's not counting on your respect to prop him up. :rolleyes: He's managed to earn the respect of John McCain, which is a more reliable test as far as I'm concerned. It was the "jock strap" comment that I really took exception to, and the respect I was talking about was not just for Mr. Obama, but for his (JMS) fellow posters, including me.

I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to tlong when I made the remark about him riding Obama's jock. Sorry you took offense to it.

[HUM398]

So you think his hard work earns him so little just because you disagree with him? Thank goodness he's not counting on your respect to prop him up. :rolleyes: He's managed to earn the respect of John McCain, which is a more reliable test as far as I'm concerned. It was the "jock strap" comment that I really took exception to, and the respect I was talking about was not just for Mr. Obama, but for his (JMS) fellow posters, including me.

What has he done for our country? NOTHING. he is a naive senator out of Illinois, who is running for president on speeches that lack total substance. Argue with that dude, the guy is a great speaker...but he has everyone that isn't fainting at his feet and wanting to wash him underwear for him ..asking.."What the hell is change i can believe in?" ...I go to his website, and i look at his stances...and i see the same thing i see on liberal progressives website. idea's that haven't worked anywhere else in the world, but they want to try here....the "Oh, they just weren't run by the right people" BS.

[t-long20]

me...He has not done anything to deserve that 90%

And neither has the other candidates.

[katyfan52]

I never hated Obama and don't now...He just has been uncovered as a part of an America hating church...Obama is so liberal he borders on socialism..that's why I could never vote for him...Hate has no place here and definately has no place in a church....
I keep reading comments like this on here. Do you think he's more liberal than Clinton? Below is an excerpt from the source of that sound byte.

"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate." (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/)

It is illuminating to find out how the National Journal comes up with that ranking. Their reckoning puts him ahead of Feingold, and Sanders a Vermonter who actually is a Socialist. It seems they base their ranking on how Senators vote in 99 Senate votes during 2007. Obama missed 33 of those votes while he was campaigning, so he was was ranked on 66 votes. Here's (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm) the list of votes and how he and Senator Clinton voted on each and she was ranked 16th. Here are also a couple of more articles I found about this dubious honor...

Now I'll grant you that he's not conservative, but I think it's only fair to say that there are plenty of folks in the Senate more liberal than Obama. I can't wait until the list comes so we can see where the others stand.

[t-long20]

I didnt put that post that editorial on here for you to begin your name calling again. I put that on here for everyone to see another's view on it. Not just the mainstream media view.
Look, I know you are riding Obama's jock, and thats cool. Its your choice.

Excuse me for not being allowed to have my own opinion supported by facts. Unlike your numerous rants. Obama this and obama that blah blah blah. Supported by your rediculous links to biased and uncredible sites, its just hilarious. Every single source you posted no one has ever heard of, hmmm wonder why?

[t-long20]

Like it or not, right or wrong, race is an issue in this election and can potentially polarize this country more than than it ever has in recent history. Whether the reasons are justified or not, that must come into play when casting your vote.


America is a rasict country, theres no hiding that. Call me what you want but im not going to sugarcoat it.All these "race speeches" obama has to give etc. etc.If it wasn't then none of this would be an issue. Race is still a big deal in this country whether you like it or not.

Just look at the coverage foxnews gives him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms

[ThEgReAtOnE]

What has he done for our country? NOTHING. he is a naive senator out of Illinois, who is running for president on speeches that lack total substance. Argue with that dude, the guy is a great speaker...but he has everyone that isn't fainting at his feet and wanting to wash him underwear for him ..asking.."What the hell is change i can believe in?" ...I go to his website, and i look at his stances...and i see the same thing i see on liberal progressives website. idea's that haven't worked anywhere else in the world, but they want to try here....the "Oh, they just weren't run by the right people" BS.

What substance does Hillary or McCain have, that's significantly better?? All Presidential nominees talk... unfortunately we don't get to see their muster until after they've taken the office. Usually, in the end, we get the shaft - when before there was once a glimmer of hope! See current Oval Office Occupant!

[katyfan52]

or maybe you shouldn't make such a big deal out of a little comment...:confused:
If it was being said by a liberal about President Bush would it be a little comment? No. It would be just as crude considering we are talking about people who have put themselves in the position to vie for the highest office in the land.

[katyfan52]

What substance does Hillary or McCain have, that's significantly better?? All Presidential nominees talk... unfortunately we don't get to see their muster until after they've taken the office. Usually, in the end, we get the shaft - when before there was once a glimmer of hope! See current Oval Office Occupant!
:notworthy

[RedRage00]

And neither has the other candidates.

They are on their candidates jockstrap just as much as you're on yours...screw em :cool:

[t-long20]

Thats because you don't want to see...Obama is blaming the pastor for the idiotic stuff comming out of his mouth, when Obama sat there for 20 years agreeing with it....If he had ever dissagreed with any part of it, he would have simply gotten up, grabbed his family and found a church that was more compatible with his views on America...It speaks volumes that he sat there for those 20 years, nodding, having the guy marry him, and openly agreeing with him by supporting him....That's the part you missed because you just don't want to see...

He can't control his pastors mouth in the media. As far as what the former pastor has said during his sermons, thats already been explained. You just refuse to open your eyes.

[HUM398]

What substance does Hillary or McCain have, that's significantly better?? All Presidential nominees talk... unfortunately we don't get to see their muster until after they've taken the office. Usually, in the end, we get the shaft - when before there was once a glimmer of hope! See current Oval Office Occupant!

Bro, i dislike McCain more then i dislike Obama. and the Clinton's, it borders on hate.

I don't respect Hilary at all...I Respect McCain ONLY because he served his country in a war. and i respect Obama because he is a fellow American...who is running for president.

we already got shafted on our choices for president. We all get screwed either way.

[t-long20]

What substance does Hillary or McCain have, that's significantly better?? All Presidential nominees talk... unfortunately we don't get to see their muster until after they've taken the office. Usually, in the end, we get the shaft - when before there was once a glimmer of hope! See current Oval Office Occupant!

:notworthy I really can't wait to see McCain or Hillary in office, seing how everyone else is asumming their some kind of saint.

[HUM398]

I keep reading comments like this on here. Do you think he's more liberal than Clinton? Below is an excerpt from the source of that sound byte.

"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate." (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/)

It is illuminating to find out how the National Journal comes up with that ranking. Their reckoning puts him ahead of Feingold, and Sanders a Vermonter who actually is a Socialist. It seems they base their ranking on how Senators vote in 99 Senate votes during 2007. Obama missed 33 of those votes while he was campaigning, so he was was ranked on 66 votes. Here's (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm) the list of votes and how he and Senator Clinton voted on each and she was ranked 16th. Here are also a couple of more articles I found about this dubious honor...

Now I'll grant you that he's not conservative, but I think it's only fair to say that there are plenty of folks in the Senate more liberal than Obama. I can't wait until the list comes so we can see where the others stand.

He is a progressive...which is a step before socialism. That makes it hard to trust him...I like him as a person, but i don't like his views...they just don't work.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

America is a rasict country, theres no hiding that. Call me what you want but im not going to sugarcoat it.All these "race speeches" obama has to give etc. etc.If it wasn't none of this would be an issue. Race is still a big deal in this country whether you like it or not.

I truly believe it's in the failure to recognize America still has ways to go with all kinds of prejudices, that many people are blinded by the words of Wright. Regardless of what color you are, race is unfortunately still a wide-spread determining factor in many aspects; loans, criminal profiling, employment, educational-redlining, etc. Personally, I think it's best to talk about these things than to allow stereotypical views to continue to plague ths country. By stereotypical, I mean all of those conservatives who look over their shoulder when they jog past a black or hispanic man on a Sunday morning exercise stroll. Or the arrogant high-tide middle-class Americans (of all races) who say stereotypical phrases, while int he presence of their counterparts, but dare not say the same openly to a vast community or body of people. And that does include those who are in the same campaigns of Hillary and McCain.

Lets remember, "race and/or skin color in America" is an issue that was brought to this country by the means of lazy, pompus, conservative, self-assured supremacists who had no or little awareness of what havoc they'd reap on the future generations w/ their goofy decisions. Unfortunately, we're having to sort out their foundation 100's of yrs later. If we're smart, we won't do the same to our future generations.

[JMSFan]

:notworthy I really can't wait to see McCain or Hillary in office, seing how everyone else is asumming their some kind of saint.

No one assumes they are. Do you really think people are that gullible? And the same would go for Obama supporters.
If you would back up a couple of pages, I listed some of Obamas policies, where he stands with them, and the fact that I dont agree with his Liberal and sometimes Socialist politics.
Go back and read, I also mentioned that they came from your favorite source, Wikipedia

[t-long20]

No one assumes they are. Do you really think people are that gullible? And the same would go for Obama supporters.
If you would back up a couple of pages, I listed some of Obamas policies, where he stands with them, and the fact that I dont agree with his Liberal and sometimes Socialist politics.
Go back and read, I also mentioned that they came from your favorite source, Wikipedia

Shutup already and get off my jock. Im tired of wasting my time replying to you.

[JMSFan]

Shutup already and get off my jock. Im tired of wasting my time replying to you.


Great response.......I mention the policies and issues and you run away.:eek:

See, honestly, him being black or white, green or red will not get a vote from me. But I suspect it will from you.

[HUM398]

I truly believe it's in the failure to recognize America still has ways to go with all kinds of prejudices, that many people are blinded by the words of Wright. Regardless of what color you are, race is unfortunately still a wide-spread determining factor in many aspects; loans, criminal profiling, employment, educational-redlining, etc. Personally, I think it's best to talk about these things than to allow stereotypical views to continue to plague ths country. By stereotypical, I mean all of those conservatives who look over their shoulder when they jog past a black or hispanic man on a Sunday morning exercise stroll. Or the arrogant high-tide middle-class Americans (of all races) who say stereotypical phrases, while int he presence of their counterparts, but dare not say the same openly to a vast community or body of people. And that does include those who are in the same campaigns of Hillary and McCain.

Lets remember, "race and/or skin color in America" is an issue that was brought to this country by the means of lazy, pompus, conservative, self-assured supremacists who had no or little awareness of what havoc they'd reap on the future generations w/ their goofy decisions. Unfortunately, we're having to sort out their foundation 100's of yrs later. If we're smart, we won't do the same to our future generations.

Your so off base, it borders humorous.

I really dont see how a Conservative has anything to with bringing the issue of race and skin color to America.

The Democrats have done more to hurt blacks then either of the parties, but for some reason it fails to be seen. Seriously, both parties haven't done enough on this issue..., i also think a white liberal jogging down his river oak community is just as likely to keep his distance from a black or Hispanic man strolling around in his neighborhood the the white conservative guy. lets wake up, shall we.

[t-long20]

Great response.......I mention the policies and issues and you run away.:eek:

No one assumes they are. Do you really think people are that gullible? And the same would go for Obama supporters.
If you would back up a couple of pages, I listed some of Obamas policies, where he stands with them, and the fact that I dont agree with his Liberal and sometimes Socialist politics.
Go back and read, I also mentioned that they came from your favorite source, Wikipedia


Please point out his policies and issues again I fail to specifically see it anywhere in your post.

If he managed to become president what will he do that will be so different from anyother democrat or hillary? Huh? Can you answer that?

[katyfan52]

What has he done for our country? NOTHING. he is a naive senator out of Illinois, who is running for president on speeches that lack total substance. Argue with that dude, the guy is a great speaker...but he has everyone that isn't fainting at his feet and wanting to wash him underwear for him ..asking.."What the hell is change i can believe in?" ...I go to his website, and i look at his stances...and i see the same thing i see on liberal progressives website. idea's that haven't worked anywhere else in the world, but they want to try here....the "Oh, they just weren't run by the right people" BS.
Without going into what he has actually done, I would rather have just about anyone than four more years of Bush the sequel. And that's pretty much what McCain has become. I have had a lot of respect for him in the past, but he has sold out. Tell me, before he was President, what had Bush done for our country??? In my opinion, people who voted for Bush shouldn't throw stones. I'm not so sure I see their judgment as unquestionable. ;)

I'd rather have someone who's not so entrenched in Washington politics. Maybe a little idealism is not a bad thing. :) It sure beats the alternative, which is more of the same. :cry

[drgnbkr]

Please point out his policies and issues again I fail to specifically see it anywhere in your post.

If he managed to become president what will he do that will be so different from anyother democrat or hillary? Huh? Can you answer that?

Thats what turns people off about Obama..he's left of Hillary and most democrats....We don't need to try what's already failed in Russia (socialism) and in France, England and Mexico (Socialized medicine - outrageous taxes) to know that what Obama wants to do would be a disaster...We've already seen it tried and fail...

[drgnbkr]

Without going into what he has actually done, I would rather have just about anyone than four more years of Bush the sequel. And that's pretty much what McCain has become. I have had a lot of respect for him in the past, but he has sold out. Tell me, before he was President, what had Bush done for our country??? In my opinion, people who voted for Bush shouldn't throw stones. I'm not so sure I see their judgment as unquestionable. ;)

I'd rather have someone who's not so entrenched in Washington politics. Maybe a little idealism is not a bad thing. :) It sure beats the alternative, which is more of the same. :cry

Prior to becoming a two term President, you missed the part of running our great state...You're blinded by your Bush hatred obsession...lowest unemployment in 45 years, kept us safe after 9-11, got us out of the Clinton recession by lowering taxes for everyone...Don't like his lax immigration policies or the fact that he spends too much, but thank God we've got him instead of that idiot Gore.

[chhspantherfan]

Prior to becoming a two term President, you missed the part of running our great state...You're blinded by your Bush hatred obsession...lowest unemployment in 45 years, kept us safe after 9-11, got us out of the Clinton recession by lowering taxes for everyone...Don't like his lax immigration policies or the fact that he spends too much, but thank God we've got him instead of that idiot Gore.

well said.

[katyfan52]

Bro, i dislike McCain more then i dislike Obama. and the Clinton's, it borders on hate.

I don't respect Hilary at all...I Respect McCain ONLY because he served his country in a war. and i respect Obama because he is a fellow American...who is running for president.

we already got shafted on our choices for president. We all get screwed either way.
That's a tough place to be. That's how I felt in the last election...choosing what I considered to be the lesser of many evils. So what do you do?? :confused:

[HUM398]

Without going into what he has actually done, I would rather have just about anyone than four more years of Bush the sequel. And that's pretty much what McCain has become. I have had a lot of respect for him in the past, but he has sold out. Tell me, before he was President, what had Bush done for our country??? In my opinion, people who voted for Bush shouldn't throw stones. I'm not so sure I see their judgment as unquestionable. ;)

I'd rather have someone who's not so entrenched in Washington politics. Maybe a little idealism is not a bad thing. :) It sure beats the alternative, which is more of the same. :cry

Bush was the governor of Texas, had executive experience and was qualified. You could look at bush and say, ok....not bad.

I look at Obama, and i say...What? He was a lawyer..then a State senator for what...2 years..and a US Senator for a little bit. The guy has NO experience.

My quarrel with him is a lack of experience and total disconnection from reality as far as policy goes.

And i will go on the record saying...Bush is a sell out, and a complete and total wimp...spineless and a disappointment.

[HUM398]

That's a tough place to be. That's how I felt in the last election...choosing what I considered to be the lesser of many evils. So what do you do?? :confused:

im going third party.

[katyfan52]

He is a progressive...which is a step before socialism. That makes it hard to trust him...I like him as a person, but i don't like his views...they just don't work.
So what do you do?? Choose the devil you know? :( Hillary's a megalomaniac, McCain's a sell out. I think I'll go with the idealist who hasn't done anything I disagree with. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes. Not much fun.

[RedRage00]

That's a tough place to be. That's how I felt in the last election...choosing what I considered to be the lesser of many evils. So what do you do?? :confused:

You vote McCain because thats who THEY like ;)

[HUM398]

You vote McCain because thats who THEY like ;)

Didn't you read my post. or are you just completely incompetent?

i obviously answered the question..and who the hell is THEY

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Your so off base, it borders humorous.

I really dont see how a Conservative has anything to with bringing the issue of race and skin color to America.

The Democrats have done more to hurt blacks then either of the parties, but for some reason it fails to be seen. Seriously, both parties haven't done enough on this issue..., i also think a white liberal jogging down his river oak community is just as likely to keep his distance from a black or Hispanic man strolling around in his neighborhood the the white conservative guy. lets wake up, shall we.

A liberal in River Oaks?? :eek: And I'm way off base?? ROLMFAO!! :D Dawg, c'mon bro.. I know you represent Humble and all... just tell me you got the 4-block Montrose area ;) and RO mixed up?? :D

[katyfan52]

im going third party.
Which one? Libertarian? My late husband used to always vote for Nader.:rolleyes: He was very fed up with Washington politics. I wonder if he would this time around. It made for some interesting discussions after dinner. Never during, I didn't want to lose my appetite. :puke

[HUM398]

So what do you do?? Choose the devil you know? :( Hillary's a megalomaniac, McCain's a sell out. I think I'll go with the idealist who hasn't done anything I disagree with. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes. Not much fun.

I go third party and pick someone i believe is the best for the job. I like Alan Keyes, and i hear he is going to go third party.

I won't sell out to my beliefs and vote for 1 of the 3 candidate currently still standing.

Im pissed at both parties...neither has done a good job of representing the people. Especially my party (Republicans), who say they represent my beliefs and my value systems...but are just as dirty and corrupted as those they accuses of being rotten to the core.

[HUM398]

Which one? Libertarian? My late husband used to always vote for Nader.:rolleyes: He was very fed up with Washington politics. I wonder if he would this time around. It made for some interesting discussions after dinner. Never during, I didn't want to lose my appetite. :puke

Not sure yet...I like Alan Keyes as a third party candidate...

but if he doesn't enter, ill just look around tell i find someone.

[HUM398]

A liberal in River Oaks?? :eek: And I'm way off base?? ROLMFAO!! :D Dawg, c'mon bro.. I know you represent Humble and all... just tell me you got the 4-block Montrose area ;) and RO mixed up?? :D

Bro, my Uncles boss is the biggest liberal on the planet....and he lives in the RO. When i think liberal i think him....Hell when i think racist, i think him.

[katyfan52]

You vote McCain because thats who THEY like ;)
It's a tough place for him to be. I have a candidate I like, until someone shows me a picture of him killing kittens or stealing little kids lunch money. ;)

[HUM398]

A liberal in River Oaks?? :eek: And I'm way off base?? ROLMFAO!! :D Dawg, c'mon bro.. I know you represent Humble and all... just tell me you got the 4-block Montrose area ;) and RO mixed up?? :D

i think you got the idea though..

Liberal or Conservative...Rich white folk always give the middle and lower class people a second glance...and walk or run a little faster.

[katyfan52]

Not sure yet...I like Alan Keyes as a third party candidate...

but if he doesn't enter, ill just look around tell i find someone.
Good luck with that. Sincerely. We may not agree on the issues, but I respect that you go beyond the surface and don't just parrot the spin. I hope you get to exercise your conscience. :)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Bro, my Uncles boss is the biggest liberal on the planet....and he lives in the RO. When i think liberal i think him....Hell when i think racist, i think him.

It's just so hard to see a liberal in RO. I rub shoulders w/ these people everyday and they're noses couldn't be any stiffer and pocketbooks any closer to their hearts!

[HUM398]

Good luck with that. Sincerely. We may not agree on the issues, but I respect that you go beyond the surface and don't just parrot the spin. I hope you get to exercise your conscience. :)

Thank you. Im a reasonable person, well...at least i like to think so.

I don't hate anyone for their political views, and actually don't let it dictate what i think of anyone. I'm also fairly open minded, and open to discussion and compromise if its within the realm of reason. I disagree with Dada on some issues, but i understand where he comes from because we both grew up in similar homes... Wide and I disagree on political views, but i got his back...and think he is a great guy...and even better person.

i hope i find someone that i can feel good about voting for....

[ThEgReAtOnE]

i think you got the idea though..

Liberal or Conservative...Rich white folk always give the middle and lower class people a second glance...and walk or run a little faster.

Gotcha!

[RedRage00]

Didn't you read my post. or are you just completely incompetent?

i obviously answered the question..and who the hell is THEY

THEY obviously doesn't include you, but it does include a majority of the posters on here. ;)

RR

[chhspantherfan]

THEY obviously doesn't include you, but it does include a majority of the posters on here. ;)

RR

and YOU were talking stereotypes the other day. whats up with that?

[HUM398]

It's just so hard to see a liberal in RO. I rub shoulders w/ these people everyday and they're noses couldn't be any stiffer and pocketbooks any closer to their hearts!

Bro, that type of attitude is not synonymous with Conservatives...trust me, their are plenty of liberals in RO.

The thing is, that a liberal white guy may say he is the most open minded guy on the planet....But he will that guy that tells his daughter no to a black boyfriend.


Trust me, bro... People are liars...all of them. Republican or Democrat.

[RedRage00]

and YOU were talking stereotypes the other day. whats up with that?

What's stereotypical? This is TX....if we took a poll the Republican candidate would win....I've read enough on here to know how most people on here will vote ;)

Not a stereotype.

[chhspantherfan]

What's stereotypical? This is TX....if we took a poll the Republican candidate would win....I've read enough on here to know how most people on here will vote ;)

Not a stereotype.

so why is it that? I believe that this is a great awakening, and our country will be better for it. But until Nov. we won't know how awake.

[STJL41]

Bro, that type of attitude is not synonymous with Conservatives...trust me, their are plenty of liberals in RO.

The thing is, that a liberal white guy may say he is the most open minded guy on the planet....But he will that guy that tells his daughter no to a black boyfriend.


Trust me, bro... People are liars...all of them. Republican or Democrat.

Ditto. In this world of polarizing politics a lot of people are not willing to admit that there are idiots and liars on both sides of the aisle (speaking both about Washington and the general public).

[mojotrain]

Juan Williams thinks Obama fell far short in his statements.

Today they are taking about how Obama said if any one he was connected with him ever made racsist remarks like Don Imus said, they should be fired on the spot. Different deal?
Now they are reading in Obamas his book that he agreed with Bush on the Iraq war as we pulled down Saddams statue. He said it looked like Bush was right. Do you suppose he put that in a book he wrote?

Whats the deal in Florida? a few years back they were all upset cause they didn't get to vote now they are all up set because they may get to vote. Whats the deal?

I Voted Allen Keyes.

[drgnbkr]

Today they are taking about how Obama said if any one he was connected with him ever made racsist remarks like Don Imus said, they should be fired on the spot. Different deal?
Now they are reading in Obamas his book that he agreed with Bush on the Iraq war as we pulled down Saddams statue. He said it looked like Bush was right. Do you suppose he put that in a book he wrote?

Whats the deal in Florida? a few years back they were all upset cause they didn't get to vote now they are all up set because they may get to vote. Whats the deal?

I Voted Allen Keyes.

Obama criticizes Hillary for voting for the authorization of force in Iraq...he brags that he was against it...we'll never know because he didn't show up for that all important vote...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Bro, that type of attitude is not synonymous with Conservatives...trust me, their are plenty of liberals in RO.

The thing is, that a liberal white guy may say he is the most open minded guy on the planet....But he will that guy that tells his daughter no to a black boyfriend.


Trust me, bro... People are liars...all of them. Republican or Democrat.



I agree w/ u. It's just that the liberalistic view just doesn't seem to go over well (or as a characteristic) in the RO area. That's mainly a community of old, white rich conservatives w/ quaint and subtle attitudes about life. They don't really voice themselves. I picture a liberal (or the ones we talk about) as being the exact opposite. Then again, I guess you could be right. Liars come in all shapes and sizes.

I always think of the RO and Woodlands areas as the equivalent of the Las Calinas area (up in Irving/Dallas)... but just more muggy! :D

[Dawg Fan]

What substance does Hillary or McCain have, that's significantly better?? All Presidential nominees talk... unfortunately we don't get to see their muster until after they've taken the office. Usually, in the end, we get the shaft - when before there was once a glimmer of hope! See current Oval Office Occupant!

That is just your opinion. I have been and still am a Bush supporter.

[mojotrain]

We Have not ever had a president who is proposing change like Obama. Will he model the USA after another country? What ideal country would be his and his wifes? Has there been a country in his mind in the past that he would try to imitate. Changes I can believe in are well and good. Considering as many goverments as there as been in the world you would think all had been tried. He must have a pattern. If some of you supporters will tell me who he want's us to be like, I'll look at them then maybe I could agree. Don't tell me to read anything just tell me.

[drgnbkr]

We Have not ever had a president who is proposing change like Obama. Will he model the USA after another country? What ideal country would be his and his wifes? Has there been a country in his mind in the past that he would try to imitate. Changes I can believe in are well and good. Considering as many goverments as there as been in the world you would think all had been tried. He must have a pattern. If some of you supporters will tell me who he want's us to be like, I'll look at them then maybe I could agree. Don't tell me to read anything just tell me.

Change, change, hope, hope! Ignore my preacher!

[DrEdward]

Obama criticizes Hillary for voting for the authorization of force in Iraq...he brags that he was against it...we'll never know because he didn't show up for that all important vote...

Obama could not show up for the vote authorizing use of military force against Sadam, as he was not even a member of the U.S. Senate then. It would appear that he seems to conveniently forget that little bit of information when he says he did not vote for the war.

[t-long20]

Thats what turns people off about Obama..he's left of Hillary and most democrats....We don't need to try what's already failed in Russia (socialism) and in France, England and Mexico (Socialized medicine - outrageous taxes) to know that what Obama wants to do would be a disaster...We've already seen it tried and fail...

We have a psychic on our hands. Everybody watchout.

[t-long20]

Prior to becoming a two term President, you missed the part of running our great state...You're blinded by your Bush hatred obsession...lowest unemployment in 45 years, kept us safe after 9-11, got us out of the Clinton recession by lowering taxes for everyone...Don't like his lax immigration policies or the fact that he spends too much, but thank God we've got him instead of that idiot Gore.

And your blinded by your Obama hatred obsession. Whats new?

[t-long20]

Bush was the governor of Texas, had executive experience and was qualified. You could look at bush and say, ok....not bad.

I look at Obama, and i say...What? He was a lawyer..then a State senator for what...2 years..and a US Senator for a little bit. The guy has NO experience.

My quarrel with him is a lack of experience and total disconnection from reality as far as policy goes.

And i will go on the record saying...Bush is a sell out, and a complete and total wimp...spineless and a disappointment.

So experience automatically qualifies you to be a good president?(see bush) Look at hillary's resume everything she has ever done has lead up to this. You don't think she planned it do you?

[t-long20]

So what do you do?? Choose the devil you know? :( Hillary's a megalomaniac, McCain's a sell out. I think I'll go with the idealist who hasn't done anything I disagree with. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes. Not much fun.

I might have to put this in my sig. Good post.

[t-long20]

Im pissed at both parties...neither has done a good job of representing the people. Especially my party (Republicans), who say they represent my beliefs and my value systems...but are just as dirty and corrupted as those they accuses of being rotten to the core.

Thats right. Let it all out.:rolleyes:

[t-long20]

It's just so hard to see a liberal in RO. I rub shoulders w/ these people everyday and they're noses couldn't be any stiffer and pocketbooks any closer to their hearts!

Welcome to upscale America.

[t-long20]

Change, change, hope, hope! Ignore my preacher!

Its catchy isn't it? I don't blame him for the slogan. If bush and the republicans didn't screw up so bad he would've never had a fighting chance in the begining IMO. Thank the republican party for that.;)

[t-long20]

Obama could not show up for the vote authorizing use of military force against Sadam, as he was not even a member of the U.S. Senate then. It would appear that he seems to conveniently forget that little bit of information when he says he did not vote for the war.

So? If you don't know what your doing then why do it? Im aware of most of the choices he made in Senate. But ofcourse you would like to bring up any excuse you can think of. Whats next? He doesn't wash his hands after using the restroom?

[mojotrain]

We Have not ever had a president who is proposing change like Obama. Will he model the USA after another country? What ideal country would be his and his wifes? Has there been a country in his mind in the past that he would try to imitate. Changes I can believe in are well and good. Considering as many goverments as there as been in the world you would think all had been tried. He must have a pattern. If some of you supporters will tell me who he want's us to be like, I'll look at them then maybe I could agree. Don't tell me to read anything just tell me.

I guess this is what is called a hard question. I appears there will be no answer. It's the same kind of questions he fails to address now. He is asking for people to vote in blind faith or is he asking for every one in American to buy his book and find out? Thats a lot of books and a lot of money.

Blacks have some viable and capable people who should run and who could be President. Obama is not one of them. I don't think he will beat Hilliary fairly or unfairly. Hilliary might beat McCain, but by the time Time Hilliary and Obama are through with their hate fights, which is what they do best, I doubt it.

[t-long20]

Blacks have some viable and capable people who should run and who could be President. Obama is not one of them. I don't think he will beat Hilliary fairly or unfairly. Hilliary might beat McCain, but by the time Time Hilliary and Obama are through with their hate fights, which is what they do best, I doubt it.

Thats a bold statement buddy, who did you have in mind? Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

Its a good thing this presidential candidacy isn't based on what you THINK.

[JMSFan]

Thats a bold statement buddy, who did you have in mind? Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

Its a good thing this presidential candidacy isn't based on what you THINK.

Wow, I'm glad to know that its not just me you like to argue with. You instigate crap with everyone.

[JMSFan]

Please point out his policies and issues again I fail to specifically see it anywhere in your post.

If he managed to become president what will he do that will be so different from anyother democrat or hillary? Huh? Can you answer that?

Post # 39 in this thread.

As far as his policies go, there are many things that I dont agree with, but have yet to state those. There are many questions about why he states one stance, then once it gets time to vote, he goes the other way 1. Obama has not supported cutting funding to the war as a way to end U.S. involvement in the conflict. He stated that, "Once we were in, we were going to have some responsibility to try to make it work as best we can". Obama was however one of 14 senators who voted against the successful passage of H.R.2206 in May 2007, a bill meant to provide continued funding for the Iraq war free from any withdrawal deadlines. 2. He supports gun control. 3. He claims to be a man of faith, yet he voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment which would have defined marriage as between one man and one woman.Obama stated on March 15, 2007, that "I do not agree...that homosexuality is immoral." During the July 23, 2007 CNN/YouTube debate, Obama further stated that "... we've got to make sure that everybody is equal under the law. And the civil unions that I proposed would be equivalent in terms of making sure that all the rights that are conferred by the state are equal for same-sex couples as well as for heterosexual couples 4.He has advocated closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, but has not supported two specific bills that would have done so. 5.He voted against the Flag Desecration Amendment in 2006, arguing that flag burning didn't justify a constitutional amendment, but said that he would support a law banning flag burning.
Most of this information came form Wikipedia.

[mojotrain]

Thats a bold statement buddy, who did you have in mind? Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

Its a good thing this presidential candidacy isn't based on what you THINK.

Of course I would not vote for either. I voted for a black this time. So color is not a problem with me. But rather than answer what I described as a hard question in my two previous post you want to argue about two, who are not on the ballot. I think You might be following on blind faith because you think Obama can get revenge for something his pastor has brought out and something that was evident in his church for years. Those are not sound bites. They are hour long week by week sermons available for purchase as you exit the front door of this church. Thats why things don't seem to get better. Hate is preached. t You have prejudice, so do I and every one else on this board but we should and can exist a lot better that what we have since a long time ago. You must know that anything forced will never be accepted. Never. Lincoln said that himself, or he said that you can't take away one mans freedom to give freedom to give to another man. (Jkl1915 orfirebird whoever could give you a direct quote.) Every one connected from those times are long gone. It was wrong and 99.9 percent of whites believe it was wrong but they can't take it back. IMO no amount of money given to blacks would heal resentment of slavery. Obama can't give it back either. IMO He has nothing but catch words a phrases because he won't define is modle his pattern of what he wants to change this country to. In the booth that will scare 75 percent of the people. I hope you would find out what he whats my life to be as well as yours before you vote for him.

[DrEdward]

So? If you don't know what your doing then why do it? Im aware of most of the choices he made in Senate. But ofcourse you would like to bring up any excuse you can think of. Whats next? He doesn't wash his hands after using the restroom?

What excuse do you think I am bringing up? Before talking more crap like this, perhaps you should go back and read what I was responding to. Someone said he was absent for the vote authorizing military action against Iraq. I pointed out that he wasn't even a member of the US Senate then. It would seem that at least some folks are not aware of that. Your support of the man is getting in the way of any rationale on your part.

[HUM398]

Thats right. Let it all out.:rolleyes:

not really understanding your sarcasm....Intent, what is it?


am i not allowed to be pissed at both parties?

[HUM398]

Thats a bold statement buddy, who did you have in mind? Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

Its a good thing this presidential candidacy isn't based on what you THINK.

how about Alan Keyes(Great debater, great orator...very upset at the American "Condition"...also former US Ambassador to the UN under Ronald Reagan), J.C Watts (former OU qb, and Canadian football player and Oklahoma US Congressmen)

two very talent men....with some great ideas.

[GoOwls]

I believe most folks thought it was a well done speech. But one can listen to a speech and not find it convincing. I would have been much more impressed had he delivered such a speech way before this Wright mess broke disavowing such remarks by his pastor. As we discussed in the other thread on this, the reason that it is important is the observation that Obama may well be the next President of the United States. Thus it is important to examine his associations with those he considers his intimate advisors, including his long time pastor.

I agree, it was a great speach....engaging....thoughtful....

But what did it really say and did it answer any questions....nope...just more spin by a very magnetic speaker with the voice of a network announcer.

It's kind of like a pretty woman....look through all the fluff and see if there is anything of substance...for me....NO....just a another pretty face....:rolleyes:..;)

[GoOwls]

Agreed. Just that an incredible amount of time and energy is being spent on his association with this guy when people should probably be focusing more on what he might do with the economy and foreign policy. Besides, as I've stated before, people should probably be keeping a closer eye on his wife instead of his pastor. Got a feeling that she will have quite a bit of influence on his decision making.

A tree with bad roots will not flouish...hence the reason for the focus on his. ;)

[GoOwls]

I keep reading comments like this on here. Do you think he's more liberal than Clinton? Below is an excerpt from the source of that sound byte.

"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate." (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/)

It is illuminating to find out how the National Journal comes up with that ranking. Their reckoning puts him ahead of Feingold, and Sanders a Vermonter who actually is a Socialist. It seems they base their ranking on how Senators vote in 99 Senate votes during 2007. Obama missed 33 of those votes while he was campaigning, so he was was ranked on 66 votes. Here's (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm) the list of votes and how he and Senator Clinton voted on each and she was ranked 16th. Here are also a couple of more articles I found about this dubious honor...

Now I'll grant you that he's not conservative, but I think it's only fair to say that there are plenty of folks in the Senate more liberal than Obama. I can't wait until the list comes so we can see where the others stand.

Obama voted 97%, 96%, and 97%, straight Democratic Party line his first three years in office.....about as liberal as you can get...but I hear he has his own mind and thinks for himself....REALLY NOW?

Looks more like the party does his thinking for him...now that's facts.....;)

[GoOwls]

What substance does Hillary or McCain have, that's significantly better?? All Presidential nominees talk... unfortunately we don't get to see their muster until after they've taken the office. Usually, in the end, we get the shaft - when before there was once a glimmer of hope! See current Oval Office Occupant!

All three of them suck as candidates....how about that? I'll dish my crap out evenly....it's just Obama's turn right now.

[drgnbkr]

how about Alan Keyes(Great debater, great orator...very upset at the American "Condition"...also former US Ambassador to the UN under Ronald Reagan), J.C Watts (former OU qb, and Canadian football player and Oklahoma US Congressmen)

two very talent men....with some great ideas.

Condi Rice is far more experienced than Obama also, but wait...they are all conservative leaders.....:eek:

[drgnbkr]

Its catchy isn't it? I don't blame him for the slogan. If bush and the republicans didn't screw up so bad he would've never had a fighting chance in the begining IMO. Thank the republican party for that.;)

I guess it's a catchy slogan, if only we knew what he was going to change and hope for...I guess if you repeat a slogan enough, some folks might actually believe there is some substance behind it....:eek: As I said before thank God we've had a leader in the whitehouse versus Kerry or Gore...And by the way, Bush's margin was even greater as he beat Kerry for a second term, so you are truly in the minority!:p

[RedRage00]

I guess it's a catchy slogan, if only we knew what he was going to change and hope for...I guess if you repeat a slogan enough, some folks might actually believe there is some substance behind it....:eek: As I said before thank God we've had a leader in the whitehouse versus Kerry or Gore...And by the way, Bush's margin was even greater as he beat Kerry for a second term, so you are truly in the minority!:p

He could come out and answer EVERY single one of your questions to a tee and you would still find another reason to dislike him LOL

[STJL41]

He could come out and answer EVERY single one of your questions to a tee and you would still find another reason to dislike him LOL

Ya know, you say this but I think there are some people who really want him to do just that: come out and tell us what this "change [we] can believe in" exactly is. What are his plans for our nation AND how does he plan to carry them out? You can't write people off and say "you still wouldn't like him" if he hasn't even proven to us that he has an actual plan.

[STJL41]

NVm

[STJL41]

my bad. double post.

[katyfan52]

Obama voted 97%, 96%, and 97%, straight Democratic Party line his first three years in office.....about as liberal as you can get...but I hear he has his own mind and thinks for himself....REALLY NOW?

Looks more like the party does his thinking for him...now that's facts.....;)
The fact is that he is being called the most liberal Senator, and the basis for that accolade is skewed. I know he voted Democrat most of the time. He is a Democrat. What I'm saying is that he is not the most liberal in the Senate as claimed by the National Journal. That's what my post was responding to.

[drgnbkr]

He could come out and answer EVERY single one of your questions to a tee and you would still find another reason to dislike him LOL

Heaven forbid he ever answer any questions....it would derail his sloganisms!:D Hope hope, change change!

[GoOwls]

The fact is that he is being called the most liberal Senator, and the basis for that accolade is skewed. I know he voted Democrat most of the time. He is a Democrat. What I'm saying is that he is not the most liberal in the Senate as claimed by the National Journal. That's what my post was responding to.

You will have to try very hard to find any senator with a higher Democrat/Liberal party voting percentage than he. He's more liberal than even "The Senate Designated Driver"....Teddy Kennedy.....

WOW!!!

[GoOwls]

Heaven forbid he ever answer any questions....it would derail his sloganisms!:D Hope hope, change change!

True, I might could understand him if he would drop the silly rheotic that speaks to the 90%'er knuckle-heads and actually said HOW he was going to do these wonderful things and HOW he was going to pay for them without BANKRUPTING all of us that actually have a job.

[JMSFan]

Heaven forbid he ever answer any questions....it would derail his sloganisms!:D Hope hope, change change!

He did change on something today, his story about his grandmother. Todays version was different than Tuesdays during his speech, when he threw her under the bus.

From Fox News today

Obama also discussed the racial views of his white grandmother Tuesday, a topic he revisited Thursday in an interview with 610 WIP, Philadelphia Sports Radio. In the interview, Obama denied his grandmother held racial prejudices and described her as a “typical white person.”
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity — she doesn’t,” he said. “But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction. That has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.”

But Obama described his grandmother Tuesday as a woman who was at times fearful of black men.

“I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe,” he said.

[drgnbkr]

He did change on something today, his story about his grandmother. Todays version was different than Tuesdays during his speech, when he threw her under the bus.

From Fox News today

Obama also discussed the racial views of his white grandmother Tuesday, a topic he revisited Thursday in an interview with 610 WIP, Philadelphia Sports Radio. In the interview, Obama denied his grandmother held racial prejudices and described her as a “typical white person.”
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity — she doesn’t,” he said. “But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction. That has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.”

But Obama described his grandmother Tuesday as a woman who was at times fearful of black men.

“I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe,” he said.

His story will change as political expediency dictates...that is his nature...I feel certain that he is not long for this poitical thing....If her thighness doesn't get him, McCain will. And watch out...his own wife could do him in...as Hillary's husband has her...

[t-long20]

He did change on something today, his story about his grandmother. Todays version was different than Tuesdays during his speech, when he threw her under the bus.

From Fox News today


FOX NEWS!!! Let met tell you something about fox news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjvNSpsPu1k

I laugh at those who post media sources without questioning the credibility of it first. But ofcourse you never seize to amaze me with your ignorance.

[t-long20]

He could come out and answer EVERY single one of your questions to a tee and you would still find another reason to dislike him LOL

Exactly.:laugh They'll just find some other excuse like Obama doesn't mow his lawn or he doesn't open the door for ladies.

[RedRage00]

Exactly.:laugh They're just find some other excuse like Obama mow his front yard or he doesn't open the door for ladies.

Or he doesn't wipe his @$$ the same way as I :eek:
Or or or....he walks with a funny limp.

I think these people in here are just mad because a BLACK man has more money and education than them.

[t-long20]

I guess it's a catchy slogan, if only we knew what he was going to change and hope for...I guess if you repeat a slogan enough, some folks might actually believe there is some substance behind it....:eek: As I said before thank God we've had a leader in the whitehouse versus Kerry or Gore...And by the way, Bush's margin was even greater as he beat Kerry for a second term, so you are truly in the minority!:p

Idiot post of the year award goes to........

[LoneRocket]

Exactly.:laugh They'll just find some other excuse like Obama doesn't mow his lawn or he doesn't open the door for ladies.

At least they can not accusing him of being Muslim.

[t-long20]

Or he doesn't wipe his @$$ the same way as I :eek:
Or or or....he walks with a funny limp.

I think these people in here are just mad because a BLACK man has more money and education than them.

OR hes doesn't like hotdogs or he drives while talking on the phone or he doesn't feed his dogs.

Agreed. And whether he wins or not he has still made history. Gee with all the talk about Obama I sure can't wait to see Clinton or McCain in the whitehouse im sure those will be the best presidents America has ever seen.

[t-long20]

At least they can not accusing him of being Muslim.

But they did try. Bobcat81 and Westplano did at first. But we debunked that rediculous fable along time ago.

[RedRage00]

At least they can not accusing him of being Muslim.

But they bring his middle name up every chance they get.

I'm half white/mexican but after reading these threads Im so glad my mother gave me an American first and middle name because what if I want to run for president some day? I can't be named Juan Miguel LOL....even then....my last name is very unique and not many latinos have it so it could pass for an American name LOL

RR

[drgnbkr]

You guys are more of an embarrasment than Obama...have fun with your little pity party..your really just talking with yourselves anyway...

[RedRage00]

You guys are more of an embarrasment than Obama...have fun with your little pity party..your really just talking with yourselves anyway...


Sure had you come in and add your 2cents didn't it....

[HUM398]

FOX NEWS!!! Let met tell you something about fox news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjvNSpsPu1k

I laugh at those who post media sources without questioning the credibility of it first. But ofcourse you never seize to amaze me with your ignorance.

C'mon man... Those Youtube clips are a bunch of sound bites taken out of context, are you really that gullible?

If your going to throw the credible news source crap out there....don't you dare put up any links to CNN, The New York Times, or MSNBC.... Because they all are obviously pushing a left winged agenda.. Just as Robert Murdock pushes a Right winged agenda...although of all the major networks, FoxNews is by far the closest to balanced...

[HUM398]

Or he doesn't wipe his @$$ the same way as I :eek:
Or or or....he walks with a funny limp.

I think these people in here are just mad because a BLACK man has more money and education than them.

Why would anyone be upset because a black man has more money and education?

Thats absurd.

And why is it that so many of you are so damn Color conscious...Who gives a damn, he is black....Who cares... Doesn't change the fact that his policies won't work.

[rocketgrl94]

Why would anyone be upset because a black man has more money and education?

Thats absurd.

And why is it that so many of you are so damn Color conscious...Who gives a damn, he is black....Who cares... Doesn't change the fact that his policies won't work.

calm down HUM we ♥ black people!:cool::D
i dont know about drgnbkr though

[HUM398]

calm down HUM we ♥ black people!:cool::D

So what about other people?

[rocketgrl94]

So what about other people?

hey i said it on another post also i ♥ u and all people!:D
oh and and i cant forget my wht/hsp brotha RedRage

[RedRage00]

So what about other people?

I like all people. But some in here are closet racists...not directly meant for you (FYI).

[GoOwls]

I like all people. But some in here are closet racists...not directly meant for you (FYI).

It's meant for me....me a racist?...that would be news to my best friends....ones who come over to my house, break bread with me, go to HS games with me, work with me, worship with me, talk politics with me....

I have many black and hispanic friends I would kill for, and they for me. Most of them believe in personal responsibility...just like I do.

Grow up and get over yourself.

[RedRage00]

It's meant for me....me a racist?...that would be news to my best friends....ones who come over to my house, break bread with me, go to HS games with me, work with me, worship with me, talk politics with me....

I have many black and hispanic friends I would kill for, and they for me. Most of them believe in personal responsibility...just like I do.

Grow up and get over yourself.

Notice I said some in here....and you say you're educating people in here when you can't even read correctly?

Must have a guilty conscience to come firing back like that LOL

But I bet you're the type to crack racist jokes when you're only around white people huh? :rolleyes:;)

[rocketgrl94]

I ♥ ALL PEOPLES:D

[GoOwls]

Notice I said some in here....and you say you're educating people in here when you can't even read correctly?

Must have a guilty conscience to come firing back like that LOL

But I bet you're the type to crack racist jokes when you're only around white people huh? :rolleyes:;)

Poor blind child...

[dada]

I ♥ ALL PEOPLES:D

I hate everybody!:D

[rocketgrl94]

I hate everybody!:D

PEOPLE HATER!!!!!!;)

[dada]

PEOPLE HATER!!!!!!;)

Yep.....I hate ALL people....everybody just go back where they came from and America would be a better place.....I'll leave first.....oops....went back where I came from.....and I'm still in Houston....what's plan "B"?

[HUM398]

Yep.....I hate ALL people....everybody just go back where they came from and America would be a better place.....I'll leave first.....oops....went back where I came from.....and I'm still in Houston....what's plan "B"?

the 4th ward?

[drgnbkr]

Yep.....I hate ALL people....everybody just go back where they came from and America would be a better place.....I'll leave first.....oops....went back where I came from.....and I'm still in Houston....what's plan "B"?

I was born in Houston too..I'll be there this afternoon!

[rocketgrl94]

Yep.....I hate ALL people....everybody just go back where they came from and America would be a better place.....I'll leave first.....oops....went back where I came from.....and I'm still in Houston....what's plan "B"?

Damn i gotta go back to Illinois!! Man, i aint going back to that boring @ss state. or damn maybe i need to go back to Africa thats where we all from right?! :D

[rocketgrl94]

the 4th ward?

hes a 5th ward boy!:notworthy

[HUM398]

hes a 5th ward boy!:notworthy

I thought he went to Reagan HS for a while....that would put him...in 4th ward.

[dada]

the 4th ward?

Another good point...and another topic....4th Ward is now midtown....where do I go now?:cry

[dada]

I thought he went to Reagan HS for a while....that would put him...in 4th ward.

Yep...went to Reagan.....and want to hear something Crazy/Ironic?....the reason I left Reagan was a big "Race War" between Blacks and Hispanics where I was almost killed one night leaving a football game. My mother is Muslim and sent some "People" to come escort me out of school....and guess who one of those "people" was?.......a Young Quanell X.

[rocketgrl94]

I thought he went to Reagan HS for a while....that would put him...in 4th ward.

i know but dada should of got the 5th Ward boy part.... right dada?;)

[dada]

i know but dada should of got the 5th Ward boy part.... right dada?;)

I was born in Jeff Davis Hospial...which no longer stands, On Allen Parkway dr...on the banks of Buffalo Bayou......Freedman's town....a place where freed slaves settled..aka 4th Ward....hence the "4W" in Dada4W......me being a playa and all I see how you could have assumed it stood for "4 Women":D

[HUM398]

Yep...went to Reagan.....and want to hear something Crazy/Ironic?....the reason I left Reagan was a big "Race War" between Blacks and Hispanics where I was almost killed one night leaving a football game. My mother is Muslim and sent some "People" to come escort me out of school....and guess who one of those "people" was?.......a Young Quanell X.


Surprised he didn't stop to make a speech...

[dada]

Surprised he didn't stop to make a speech...

This is before he was disowned by Mosque 45 and went out and formed his own party.

[HUM398]

I was born in Jeff Davis Hospial...which no longer stands, On Allen Parkway dr...on the banks of Buffalo Bayou......Freedman's town....a place where freed slaves settled..aka 4th Ward....hence the "4W" in Dada4W......me being a playa and all I see how you could have assumed it stood for "4 Women":D

I think she is trying to tell you she thought all black people in Houston were from 5th ward...:confused: :p

[dada]

I think she is trying to tell you she thought all black people in Houston were from 5th ward...:confused: :p

She's racist....Her having a black husband is like a gay guy bringing a woman to the family reunion and telling everyone it's his girlfriend.

[rocketgrl94]

I was born in Jeff Davis Hospial...which no longer stands, On Allen Parkway dr...on the banks of Buffalo Bayou......Freedman's town....a place where freed slaves settled..aka 4th Ward....hence the "4W" in Dada4W......me being a playa and all I see how you could have assumed it stood for "4 Women":D

i was wondering what the 4w was for and no i didnt think it was about women i thought it stood for 4 Weal :D

[drgnbkr]

I was born in Jeff Davis Hospial...which no longer stands, On Allen Parkway dr...on the banks of Buffalo Bayou......Freedman's town....a place where freed slaves settled..aka 4th Ward....hence the "4W" in Dada4W......me being a playa and all I see how you could have assumed it stood for "4 Women":D

I drove through there once...it was scawy!:eek::p

[dada]

i was wondering what the 4w was for and no i didnt think it was about women i thought it stood for 4 Weal :D

or...4 wives!....lol

[dada]

I drove through there once...it was scawy!:eek::p

Just tell them I sent ya!:D

[t-long20]

You guys are more of an embarrasment than Obama...have fun with your little pity party..your really just talking with yourselves anyway...

Is that the best you can do?

[rocketgrl94]

She's racist....Her having a black husband is like a gay guy bringing a woman to the family reunion and telling everyone it's his girlfriend.

far from racist i dont believe in racism guys stop spreading lies dada
damn u dont know about the group The 5th Ward Boyz thats old school rap
thats all i listened to back in the day was Houston based rap

[dada]

far from racist i dont believe in racism guys stop spreading lies dada
damn u dont know about the group The 5th Ward Boyz thats old school rap
thats all i listened to back in the day was Houston based rap

You know I'm messing with you.....I STILL listen to 5th Ward boys...."Rated G" is my favorite CD.

[rocketgrl94]

Just tell them I sent ya!:D

i always have to go by 3rd ward!

[HUM398]

You know I'm messing with you.....I STILL listen to 5th Ward boys...."Rated G" is my favorite CD.

5th ward boys suck man... i never liked them AT all. ive always been a geto boys guy myself.

[t-long20]

C'mon man... Those Youtube clips are a bunch of sound bites taken out of context, are you really that gullible?

If your going to throw the credible news source crap out there....don't you dare put up any links to CNN, The New York Times, or MSNBC.... Because they all are obviously pushing a left winged agenda.. Just as Robert Murdock pushes a Right winged agenda...although of all the major networks, FoxNews is by far the closest to balanced...


Are you that ignorant? Because theres plenty where that came from.

With your analogy don't even watch the news or read a newspaper at all, its all right winged agenda:eek:

In all reality jmsfan has posted rediclous links if you can't see that then your just blind.

[HUM398]

i always have to go by 3rd ward!

Then you can tell them...I sent you.

[HUM398]

Are you that ignorant? Because theres plenty where that came from.

With your analogy don't even watch the news or read a newspaper at all, its all right winged agenda:eek:

In all reality jmsfan has posted rediclous links if you can't see that then your just blind.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[dada]

i always have to go by 3rd ward!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MinWw9QJmhU&feature=related

[rocketgrl94]

Then you can tell them...I sent you.

i'll do that, but first they're not going to kick my @ss are they:D

[HUM398]

or...4 wives!....lol

Your mothers Muslim...and your Mormon...How did that happen?

I didn't even know their were any black Mormons.

[t-long20]

Notice I said some in here....and you say you're educating people in here when you can't even read correctly?

Must have a guilty conscience to come firing back like that LOL

But I bet you're the type to crack racist jokes when you're only around white people huh? :rolleyes:;)

Don't waste your time redrage.GoOwls is in fantasy land. Yeah I have asians,hispanics,blacks,jews who I would kill for also. Riiiight.:rolleyes: I guess he things your a naive person.

[HUM398]

i'll do that, but first they're not going to kick my @ss are they:D

nah. if you are white, they'll ask you if you know where they can find some crack.

[t-long20]

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

;)

[dada]

5th ward boys suck man... i never liked them AT all. ive always been a geto boys guy myself.

Come on now...you didnt like P.W.A......???? Situations???? Gangsta Funk?

[dada]

Your mothers Muslim...and your Mormon...How did that happen?

I didn't even know their were any black Mormons.

They are every where...but I think we are called "Pimps and Long Legged Mack Daddy's"

[rocketgrl94]

nah. if you are white, they'll ask you if you know where they can find some crack.

havent had that happen yet but if it happens i'll tell them find Hum:D

[HUM398]

havent had that happen yet but if it happens i'll tell them find Hum:D

I wouldn't know where to find Crack...i have to ask my white friends to hook up "the neighborhood"

[rocketgrl94]

I wouldn't know where to find Crack...i have to ask my white friends to hook up "the neighborhood"

Ohhh so your friends are helping the hood get high!:mad:
did they put a liquor sto' on every corner to;)

[JMSFan]

FOX NEWS!!! Let met tell you something about fox news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjvNSpsPu1k

I laugh at those who post media sources without questioning the credibility of it first. But ofcourse you never seize to amaze me with your ignorance.


Here you go again with the name calling. Blindly vote for Obama, thats what hes banking on anyway. I guess that your vote is your privilege to waste. Each time I showed the policies and issues that your boy supports and proposes, then I get a juvenile response from you.
Like I said before, just because he is black is not the reason that I wont cast a vote for him. But I believe you will, based solely on that reason. The race issue was the hot topic for the week, so now lets move on to new things, mainly the issues and proposals that he is pushing. Whether you choose to see it or not, Obama has a radical agenda and socialist views.

[JMSFan]

I like all people. But some in here are closet racists...not directly meant for you (FYI).
Are you talking about me??? Im also a bigot and a homophobe. :rolleyes:

[mojotrain]

I like all people. But some in here are closet racists...not directly meant for you (FYI).

Your wrong! every comment on this site is racist. Those in the closet have made no comments on this string. It is what it is and it is what America is. All races feel a little superior to all other races. The goverment made some think mistakenly, that the word rasist is to be used in only one direction but you can't sell that in a land of free speech.
The goverment has done things to make co-existance of all races a commendable. The Preachers of the type discussed in this string IMO keeping the fires of hate burning. Why is beyond me. Every minority child born today with proper PARENT influence can excell. Everone is, in fact born with a equal opportunity to make it to whatever level they are capable of. That level is totally dependent on their level of successful education. PERIOD! Today minoritys do excell in every school district in this nation.

I suspect Parent may be the key word here, if so the chain must be stopped now. Throwing money on top of ignorance(that's not a insult) has not helped in the last 50 years, it's still passed on and on. I don't have any Idea on a solution. Minority leaders should.


There is more hate between races now than in the early 60's. I assure any one still reading If the hate continues to begat hate and hate continues to begate hate and so on, our great grand children will be fighting this same battle. It will not ever happen. That is a iron clad guarantee. It will never be forced.

[WestPlano006]

Liberals suck

[drgnbkr]

Liberals suck

Well....there is that to contend with....fact...it just keeps getting in the way of a conversation...they do...

[t-long20]

Here you go again with the name calling. Blindly vote for Obama, thats what hes banking on anyway. I guess that your vote is your privilege to waste. Each time I showed the policies and issues that your boy supports and proposes, then I get a juvenile response from you.
Like I said before, just because he is black is not the reason that I wont cast a vote for him. But I believe you will, based solely on that reason. The race issue was the hot topic for the week, so now lets move on to new things, mainly the issues and proposals that he is pushing. Whether you choose to see it or not, Obama has a radical agenda and socialist views.

Your lucky I just read dadas thread. So I could care less.

[GoOwls]

Your lucky I just read dadas thread. So I could care less.

To not care, you sure do type alot.

I DO care....hence I type.

If you don't care...why be here at all?

Obviously you do care...you just aren't sure about what or how much...right?

[t-long20]

Some interesting news.

And its from foxnews:eek: jmsfan's favorite source and now very credible according to HUM.

So does Obama. That became harder for him to achieve after Wright's roars hit the airwaves and the Web.

A Fox News poll released two days after Obama's speech indicated that most Americans do not believe Obama shares the controversial views of his spiritual mentor, but 35 percent said their relationship raised doubts about the senator.

Among Democrats surveyed, 26 percent said the relationship raised doubts about Obama, while 66 percent said it did not.

[t-long20]

To not care, you sure do type alot.

I DO care....hence I type.

If you don't care...why be here at all?

Obviously you do care...you just aren't sure about what or how much...right?

Let me rephrase that, its late and im tired. I'll type up a response later.

[GoOwls]

Some interesting news.

And its from foxnews:eek: jmsfan's favorite source and now very credible according to HUM.

Yes, Fox is very credible, as are many of the other news agencies. This proves the point I made when I started the other thread.

The mere fact that 35% and 26% of the voters, respectfully, have doubts is huge. That equals millions and millions of voters who have doubts.

Elections are usually won by mere percentage points...35 and 26% of the voters having doubts is huge...IMHO.

[drgnbkr]

Yes, Fox is very credible, as are many of the other news agencies. This proves the point I made when I started the other thread.

The mere fact that 35% and 26% of the voters, respectfully, have doubts is huge. That equals millions and millions of voters who have doubts.

Elections are usually won by mere percentage points...35 and 26% of the voters having doubts is huge...IMHO.

It's pretty clear they should have doubts...They are honoring this idiot (Wright) in Ft. Worth today...There is a small minority who will insist that he was wright, right in his America hating rants...What can you do?

[drgnbkr]

Yes, Fox is very credible, as are many of the other news agencies. This proves the point I made when I started the other thread.

The mere fact that 35% and 26% of the voters, respectfully, have doubts is huge. That equals millions and millions of voters who have doubts.

Elections are usually won by mere percentage points...35 and 26% of the voters having doubts is huge...IMHO.

The fact that Fox so thoroughly dominates the ratings indicates where the vast majority are getting their news. It is the only network that throws out the facts without the lib bias that is so obvious with morons like Olberman, Matthews and most anyone on CNN. Check the ratings next time you want to see what everyone is watching.....Of course they are the only ones to initially run with the Wright/Obama story...the other neworks don't want it to get out....:rolleyes:

[t-long20]

The fact that Fox so thoroughly dominates the ratings indicates where the vast majority are getting their news.

Fox or Foxnews:confused:

[drgnbkr]

Fox or Foxnews:confused:

Fox News more than doubles the next closest cable news channel....It's where the vast majority get their news and there is a reason for thier success...they put the news out there without all the slant and let you, the viewer decide.