Largest Fan Base?

[Plano West Wolf]

Just wanting some opinions, which school has the largest fan base?

[Bass]

Lufkin, Katy, Trinity, North Shore and Carroll all probably make the top 5.

[ChanSHS]

I'd think Permian would be up there.

[drgnbkr]

Abilene brings it.

[North Shore Mustang]

Not being biased, but we have a pretty large fan base. I am really proud of it. When they all show up at once, it's crazy!

This coming season, I hope the fan base is in full gear from beginning to start; It's gonna be a WILD one!

[LPack007]

From the ones I have seen...Lufkin, Katy and SLC.

[the_phoenix612]

Carroll certainly travels extraordinarily well.

[Pearland Longhorn]

Katy is the biggest I've seen. North Shore is weird. I've seen them pack the house against weak opponents and then just totally not show up for big road games. Perfect example was DP on the road this year. They barely filled up 1/4 of Abshire Stadium. Pearland and Cy-Fair have both had real nice followings. That might have something to do with the Sam Mcguffie fascination for Cy-Fair though.

Honorable Mention to La Marque. They have 900 kids in their school and probably no more than 15,000 in the city but they bring it wherever they play. They can be very vocal too...

[slorch]

Carroll certainly travels extraordinarily well.

we politely disagree.

signed,
the empty seats at SFA, 3 years ago

[TrojanHorse03]

I'll also say while the Trinity fan base is the best and most loyal, I wouldn't consider it one of the biggest.

[Empire strikes back]

Permian and Abilene for sure

[BandidoNB]

I'll put some of the valley schools up there.

[hunterbunter]

most of our valley teams always have big crowds, but the playoffs they're even bigger mainly because by the time we play an SA school theres only a couple teams left, and the rgv comes ou to support them.

[CoveMom]

I'd think Permian would be up there.

That was my first thought when I saw this thread. FNL helped to expand that, imo.

[twcpfan1]

Lufkin's fans were surprisingly sedate last year during the one game at the Abe I attended. Even those funny radio guys were whining about it. I love those guys btw. Very entertaining.

[WestPlano006]

Plano is up there, their side of Clark is always packed. Can't say the same of East and West though.

[jrock210]

If we are talking on the board then SLC, NS, and Judson for sure;)

[jbusch]

I'd think Permian would be up there.

Permian brings caravans of motor homes and tailgaters. _ freaked me out at the playoff game in Abilene,

[DrEdward]

we politely disagree.

signed,
the empty seats at SFA, 3 years ago

Sample of one. However, the turnout that day was rather pathetic for Carroll.

[AE 8008]

abilene permian and carroll are all big. havent ever seen katy lufkin or ns though

[BDB]

most of our valley teams always have big crowds, but the playoffs they're even bigger mainly because by the time we play an SA school theres only a couple teams left, and the rgv comes ou to support them.

i was at the Alamodome when San Benito filled the lower level and wrapped ahlf way around the end-zone. weslaco easily had 17,000 on their side this past year.

there aren't alot of region 4 teams that travel like the valley (as an area) does.

[Cy-Fair07]

Pearland and Cy-Fair have both had real nice followings. That might have something to do with the Sam Mcguffie fascination for Cy-Fair though.

Or it may have something to do with the fact that historically Cy-Fair has always had a great following. Before, during, and after the Sam McGuffie era.

[Trojan4653]

I saw Permain, Tyler Lee, Bowie, Abilene, P'ville, Katy, Plano, Carroll,, Judson, Lewisville, Highland Park, Everman
Permian wins hands down!
Ours are avid but NOWHERE near OP avid....NOBODY comes close:notworthy

[AHSeagles]

I saw Permain, Tyler Lee, Bowie, Abilene, P'ville, Katy, Plano, Carroll,, Judson, Lewisville, Highland Park, Everman
Permian wins hands down!
Ours are avid but NOWHERE near OP avid....NOBODY comes close:notworthy

Are you speaking of playing Permian at Ratliff of the second time at Texas Stadium? Last time Abilene went there the year before last it was the battle for the district title and I wasn't all that impressed with Permian's fans that day. Granted a bad crowd for a Little Southwest Conference school is a good crowd for most other schools.

[owlfan 1]

naaman?

*runs away and dives into a ditch*

[t-long20]

Katy,SLC,Lufkin,Allen

[Redhoss]

abilene permian and carroll are all big. havent ever seen katy lufkin or ns though

Since I grew up in Odessa and have seen a few games with Permian and Abilene, I can tell you that Katy is on par with those followers.

[PlanoFootball]

Plano? There have been few teams that could match our fanbase.

Plano, Permian, Trinity, Carroll, Katy

Those are a few that come to mind.

[ken-in-rockwall]

The Orange of Rockwall usually shows up !! :D

Largest maybe realitive based on the size of school, or town, etc..?!

[KT2000]

Katy, Lufkin, Trinity and Carroll bring the best crowds I've seen.

Now, for one that might shock you...Brazoswood. Those Lake Jackson folks are great supporters.

[Empire strikes back]

Are you speaking of playing Permian at Ratliff of the second time at Texas Stadium? Last time Abilene went there the year before last it was the battle for the district title and I wasn't all that impressed with Permian's fans that day. Granted a bad crowd for a Little Southwest Conference school is a good crowd for most other schools.



:confused::confused::confused: I saw the video by odessapermian, and it shows that Permian had the bigger crowd than Abilene.

[lonny23]

For me, the largest fanbase is not defined by how many go the games. I'm looking for a good team that geographically should have the most people as fans.

For example Southlake has like 25K people. Lufkin has more than that. Abilene might be the biggest based upon fans at games. I bet even San Angelo has plenty even if they don't always go the games.

[Plano West Wolf]

naaman?

*runs away and dives into a ditch*

Lies! Lakeview Centennial!! :D

[Plano West Wolf]

That was my first thought when I saw this thread. FNL helped to expand that, imo.

I agree. I'm sure that there are some people who aren't associated with the school or city and will root for them just because they saw the movie.

[Dawg Fan]

I think when they are winning Permian would outdo just about everyone else. When they went through the tough years it was pretty low.

[KC88]

Permian, SLC, Converse Judson, Euless Trinity, Katy, and Abliene in that order.

[odessapermian.com]

All things being equal (both teams doing well at the time) the only time I can recall our fans being "out-MOJOed" was when Plano came to Ratliff, I believe in 1987. They had their stuff together. They would do the wave, except they started at the bottom row and went up. Very cool.

[Football4life]

I'm a Klein fan I have to say Lufkin... because i was there the that they filled up all of the vistor side and some of the home side at Klein Memorial for our playoff game :o

[odessapermian.com]

:confused::confused::confused: I saw the video by odessapermian, and it shows that Permian had the bigger crowd than Abilene.


We had a good crowd that night but I don't think we sold out.

The game with Abilene this past season is a good representation for both teams IMO. Great atmosphere- http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=ODESSAPERMIAN&t=c&s=football&p=custom&pagename=MOJO%2028%20Abilene%2021

[AHSeagles]

We had a good crowd that night but I don't think we sold out.

The game with Abilene this past season is a good representation for both teams IMO. Great atmosphere- http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=ODESSAPERMIAN&t=c&s=football&p=custom&pagename=MOJO%2028%20Abilene%2021

This years game was packed! Permian came to Abilene in mass and there was more than overflow on the home side and student section for Abilene.

[odessapermian.com]

This picture from the Abilene-Reporter News is cool- http://eteamz.active.com/odessapermian/albums/index.cfm?id=462216&ShowGoogle=0&picture=4658787

[Plano West Wolf]

This picture from the Abilene-Reporter News is cool- http://eteamz.active.com/odessapermian/albums/index.cfm?id=462216&ShowGoogle=0&picture=4658787

Wow, I don't I think see an empty seat...

[Redhoss]

According to my buddy Texas Bob, here are some interesting seating capacities of a few stadiums.

Shotwell, Abilene - 15075

Ratliff, Odessa - 19302

Abe Martin, Lufkin - 10000

Rhodes, Katy - 9768

Dragon, Southlake - 9000

Pennington, Euless - 12000

I've attended games in Odessa at the old W.T. Barrett which held approx.
18k and it was standing room only.

Katy packs the home side most every game. In '94 against Plano at Kyle Field, those nice guys wouldn't let us sit in the upper deck and we were stretched from end zone to end zone. :eek: :mad:

[Bass]

Quick! Someone from Katy post the picture from the Cinco game! You know the one!

[EagleDude73]

i was at the Alamodome when San Benito filled the lower level and wrapped ahlf way around the end-zone. weslaco easily had 17,000 on their side this past year.

there aren't alot of region 4 teams that travel like the valley (as an area) does.

Don't forget Port-Neches Groves. the largest crowd I've ever seen at a state championship game.

[AHSeagles]

Wow, I don't I think see an empty seat...

That's because there wasn't one.:notworthy:D

[Plano West Wolf]

That's because there wasn't one.:notworthy:D

I'd love to see the North Garland vs Naaman Forest game. I'm sure there'd be plenty of seats for all! :D

[78 Spartan]

Don't forget Port-Neches Groves. the largest crowd I've ever seen at a state championship game.

If PN-G makes the playoffs, NOBODY travels like those guys do.

[RedRage00]

If we are talking on the board then SLC, NS, and Judson for sure;)

Judson? Are you kidding?

They don't even fill up Comalander most of the time. And that is just down the street from Converse.

[owlfan 1]

I'd love to see the North Garland vs Naaman Forest game. I'm sure there'd be plenty of seats for all! :D
GISD fan bases are smaller than we would wish - but they draw as well as most multiple school suburban school districts (nothing like Plano, Katy, SLC, etc). Naaman had about 4500 at their game vs. Garland this year.

Garland usually has the most fan support - end of last year notwithstanding. The Owls draw good crowds to playoff games - again, nothing like Trinity or SLC, but okay...

[dada]

Quick! Someone from Katy post the picture from the Cinco game! You know the one!

Deleted most of them....had some good ones...the best I have is:


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/dada4w/myspace/katy.jpg

[twcpfan1]

Actually if you took the equation, (# of fans ) less (# of haters), my guess is the ones of the top of the list are:

in no particular order:

ET
GPNS
Lufkin
Abilene

On the other end of the spectrum:

Katy
SLC
TWHS
TWCP (they're guilty by association and by way of their school name)
Highland Park

[mad_fan]

Re: Largest Fan Base?

I'd say jtk has to be up there somewhere...

:rolleyes:

[RedRage00]

Re: Largest Fan Base?

I'd say jtk has to be up there somewhere...

:rolleyes:

LMFAO!

Along with El Prez :D

[trojanbacker]

Trinity has a good following but I'm not sure I'd put them in the top five. I was really impressed with Permian in the playoffs. Those folks know how to create a game day atmosphere like no other.

[dada]

Is this playoffs or just any game?

[Plano West Wolf]

GISD fan bases are smaller than we would wish - but they draw as well as most multiple school suburban school districts (nothing like Plano, Katy, SLC, etc). Naaman had about 4500 at their game vs. Garland this year.

Garland usually has the most fan support - end of last year notwithstanding. The Owls draw good crowds to playoff games - again, nothing like Trinity or SLC, but okay...

Hell yeah, I agree with you. There were more Garland fans at the Plano West v Garland basketball game than there were Naaman fans when we played them in football.

[D-FW#1]

Lufkin, Katy, Trinity, North Shore and Carroll all probably make the top 5.

All those teams are a distant second to Permian hands down.

[Plano West Wolf]

Is this playoffs or just any game?

A combination of both. Large playoff crowds compared with just regular game crowds separate the bandwagoners.

[D-FW#1]

Judson? Are you kidding?

They don't even fill up Comalander most of the time. And that is just down the street from Converse.

Everytime Converse Judson came to Texas Stadium to play for state they had no problems filling up their side of the stadium. When they played Trinity in Round Rock a couple of years ago they represented well. How does Victoria travel redrage?

[dada]

All those teams are a distant second to Permian hands down.

What other team is playing in Odessa on a friday night? lol......:D

[RedRage00]

Everytime Converse Judson came to Texas Stadium to play for state they had no problems filling up their side of the stadium. When they played Trinity in Round Rock a couple of years ago they represented well. How does Victoria travel redrage?

Not good since consolidation.

But I lived in San Antonio the last 4 years so I would know what I'm talking about.

But of course you're going to represent well at a STATE game. I was at the Judson-Trinity state game this year and their were a ton of Judson fans but the REAL Judson fans on here will tell you "Where were these people during the regular season and other playoff games?" They know attendance has dropped the last several years.

Plus, we didn't know which were Judson and which were Katy fans saving rows and rows of seats LOL

No offense to you, but I think I've seen a few more Judson games the last several years besides State games.

RR

[DrEdward]

Trinity has a good following but I'm not sure I'd put them in the top five. I was really impressed with Permian in the playoffs. Those folks know how to create a game day atmosphere like no other.

I agree. I have always been surprised at the relative lack of Trinity fans at their games, especially considering how good they have been for the past several years. (Carroll-Trinity exception duly noted.)

[RedRage00]

Victoria used to have a pretty good fanbase before consolidation. I remember when I was in HS we'd have more fans in the stands at AWAY games than the home team. And that was traveling to places such as Corpus, Austin, Alice, San Antonio to name a few. We were used to traveling and it wasn't a surprise to be in a line of cars on the highway all with VHS emblems on the cars. You knew we were all heading to the same place. We used to fill up visitor stands. I remember playing King in CC and we had more people in the stands for their homecoming LOL. Thats when we were pretty good so I dont know why King made us their homecoming cause we blew em out the water that year(1999) LOL. Also, the cheerleaders would decorate the highway with signs so that the players and fans could see the support as we drove down the highway.

Memorial attendance is just pathetic. Its sad to see what has happened to the Victoria program. Of course I didn't see but one game in 2007 so it could have improved LOL. But I know the several games I went to in 2006 in San Antonio (when I lived there) were pretty bad as far as attendance goes. We went from filling up the stands at away games to bringing 100 people.

Consolidation killed the spirit that once thrived in Victoria. And this was just VHS...Stroman had their clan as well and was pretty good at traveling.

[rich_pack]

Plano is up there, their side of Clark is always packed. Can't say the same of East and West though.

Really? I have been to a few games there, and I have don't remember it being that packed, not like SLC, Lufkin, Katy

[jbusch]

I agree. I have always been surprised at the relative lack of Trinity fans at their games, especially considering how good they have been for the past several years. (Carroll-Trinity exception duly noted.)

Are your trying to draw the Trinity fans off sides with that remark?. Nope we ain't gonna bite! too much discipline and good coaching :D

[dada]

Carr's last time on a football field in Texas:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/dada4w/rice.jpg

[Tigerjag]

Quick! Someone from Katy post the picture from the Cinco game! You know the one!

Click here for the one you might be thinking of from the 2006 game. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Tigerjag/KatyVScinco21.jpg)

I think Texas Bob took this one too. It's also 2006. This is the kick-off that the officials took a redux on because the plane flying over didn't get a good shot. No one ever saw that picture... but you can see that the grassy knoll has lots of folks, as well as both sides of the stands. More people came throughout the first quarter, since traffic was a mess.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Tigerjag/KatyVScinco19.jpg

[dada]

Click here for the one you might be thinking of from the 2006 game. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Tigerjag/KatyVScinco21.jpg)

I think Texas Bob took this one too. It's also 2006. This is the kick-off that the officials took a redux on because the plane flying over didn't get a good shot. No one ever saw that picture... but you can see that the grassy knoll has lots of folks, as well as both sides of the stands. More people came throughout the first quarter, since traffic was a mess.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Tigerjag/KatyVScinco19.jpg

Plus....this was like......4 hours before the game.......Players got their early....the were board and decided to practice kickoffs together.:D

[Tigerjag]

I agree with whoever said that the largest fan base may belong to Port Neches-Groves. They can turn a stadium purple in a hurry.

I think Katy has one of the largest fan bases. I'm not posting pictures to prove that we have THE largest. But I have pictures and I like visuals. :D

I promise this is the last one! Katy in the rain against the Madison Marlins. We look like Skittles. Granted, it was a playoff game.

http://i25.tinypic.com/21e0yly.jpg

[LPack007]

http://www.lufkinpanthersports.com/Gallery/Football/Lufkin%20vs.%20Longview%202004/PACK4.jpg



http://www.lufkinpanthersports.com/Gallery/Football/Lufkin%20vs.%20Longview%202004/PACK9.jpg

Lufkin vs Longview game in 04...


but IMO,...Katy and Lufkin have to be in the top two or three when your talking about the largest fan bases.

[dada]

I agree with whoever said that the largest fan base may belong to Port Neches-Groves. They can turn a stadium purple in a hurry.

I think Katy has one of the largest fan bases. I'm not posting pictures to prove that we have THE largest. But I have pictures and I like visuals. :D

I promise this is the last one! Katy in the rain against the Madison Marlins. We look like Skittles. Granted, it was a playoff game.

http://i25.tinypic.com/21e0yly.jpg

I'm up under the pressbox in a grey sweater and black sweat pants....the KT brothers are to my right......my son is to the left standing on the bleachers in his Red poncho screaming "AUNDRE!.....AUNDRE!!!!"

[Tigerjag]

Lufkin vs Longview game in 04...


but IMO,...Katy and Lufkin have to be in the top two or three when your talking about the largest fan bases.

Biggest pictures, too. :D

No arguement with Lufkin. Big fan base. I've seen Judson travel and they bring a whole lotta red themselves. SLC I've also seen. Yes, big fan base. I agree with KT2000 - Brazoswood brings a crowd, too.

I've not seen Trinity or Permian in person. I was not one of the Katy fans who made it to the Trinity-Judson game to see both fan bases - or the game - in person.

[mojotrain]

See if the numbers guy can do the numbers. I say from 1959 through 2007, through state championships to no win district seasons Permian High school has put more fans in the seats at home and or away than any team in the state. With or without FNL. Bad years from 5000 to 7000 fans per game, good years 7000 to 12000 per game. In a 20,000 seat stadium available seats on the home side are non- existant. More Permian fans travel to where ever over longer distances than any team in the nation. It could just mean notrious instead of fans, but more highschool football fans nation wide know more about Permian than any school mentioned before in this spin.

I just spent ten days in Washington DC and in Lancaster County Pa. I at time wore a simple black Permian cap with a P on the front and a very small mojo on the adjustment strap in the back. I could not carry on a conversation with those with me without some one asking if I knew of Mojo High school or Permian High School in Texas. .

When it comes to fans in the seats or simply listing on the radio, buying T-shirts or ball caps. Permian licensed their logo before it became a fad. Permian is and has been #I in stuff sales since they opened or shortly there after.

The only other team that is even on the same page with Permian state wide or nation wide would be Plano.

None of the above can be proved without research. This you can count on. When Permian plays a Lubbock team who has been less that 50 percent for years next year, If that game is in Lubbock 140 miles away at least 7000 fans will be there from Odessa. Against OHS we will occupy half of a overflow crowd of 25,000 and the same with both Midland schools. If we play ET or SLC or whoever at their home or at the Jones place we will have as many or most likely out number them. We will be limited only by the number of seats given to us.

The history of Permian followers/ fans are what legends are built on. Permian put the long time standards of fandom, pertaining to highschool football in the books. That even before FNL. If it were not a big deal FNL would have been about Katy or ET. It might could have been about Plano.

Folks brag about 50-60 thousand at the Jones place or the Allamo or Houston. Well cut a fat hog. 15 to 25 thousand in towns of 100,000 like Midland or Odessa is a lot more impressive.

60,000 people at a game in DFW or Houston is like telling me the Chinese army is 10 time bigger that ours.

Ya'll fight for second place. Get someone smart to post documented facts that put you ahead of any of the old 3-5A teams but specifically Permian. Change my mind with fact don't try to baffle me with bs.

[drgnbkr]

See if the numbers guy can do the numbers. I say from 1959 through 2007, through state championships to no win district seasons Permian High school has put more fans in the seats at home and or away than any team in the state. With or without FNL. Bad years from 5000 to 7000 fans per game, good years 7000 to 12000 per game. In a 20,000 seat stadium available seats on the home side are non- existant. More Permian fans travel to where ever over longer distances than any team in the nation. It could just mean notrious instead of fans, but more highschool football fans nation wide know more about Permian than any school mentioned before in this spin.

I just spent ten days in Washington DC and in Lancaster County Pa. I at time wore a simple black Permian cap with a P on the front and a very small mojo on the adjustment strap in the back. I could not carry on a conversation with those with me without some one asking if I knew of Mojo High school or Permian High School in Texas. .

When it comes to fans in the seats or simply listing on the radio, buying T-shirts or ball caps. Permian licensed their logo before it became a fad. Permian is and has been #I in stuff sales since they opened or shortly there after.

The only other team that is even on the same page with Permian state wide or nation wide would be Plano.

None of the above can be proved without research. This you can count on. When Permian plays a Lubbock team who has been less that 50 percent for years next year, If that game is in Lubbock 140 miles away at least 7000 fans will be there from Odessa. Against OHS we will occupy half of a overflow crowd of 25,000 and the same with both Midland schools. If we play ET or SLC or whoever at their home or at the Jones place we will have as many or most likely out number them. We will be limited only by the number of seats given to us.

The history of Permian followers/ fans are what legends are built on. Permian put the long time standards of fandom, pertaining to highschool football in the books. That even before FNL. If it were not a big deal FNL would have been about Katy or ET. It might could have been about Plano.

Folks brag about 50-60 thousand at the Jones place or the Allamo or Houston. Well cut a fat hog. 15 to 25 thousand in towns of 100,000 like Midland or Odessa is a lot more impressive.

60,000 people at a game in DFW or Houston is like telling me the Chinese army is 10 time bigger that ours.

Ya'll fight for second place. Get someone smart to post documented facts that put you ahead of any of the old 3-5A teams but specifically Permian. Change my mind with fact don't try to baffle me with bs.

Pretty defensive about your fans huh?:D I'll take over 50,000 fans for the Trinity / Carroll game, with many more stuck outside trying to get in...No matter where it was played it was a mob and it was electric! We played you guys in Lubbock a couple of years ago, so we've seen your mojo... One thing we can agree on, especially those of us who have been to out of state games, nobody brings the fans like Texas.

[Gazelle]

Plano is up there, their side of Clark is always packed. Can't say the same of East and West though.

Only when they are posting a winning record.
The PSHS side of Clark gets pretty empty when they are 3-5 playing East.
East doesn't support their team very well, you are right.
But West doesn't show up very well either, probably even worse than East.

[Plano West Wolf]

Only when they are posting a winning record.
The PSHS side of Clark gets pretty empty when they are 3-5 playing East.
East doesn't support their team very well, you are right.
But West doesn't show up very well either, probably even worse than East.

West only being 8 years old has something to do with that. :D

and I agree about Plano. Whenever they are good, they have loads of fans show up. When they aren't... not so much.

[Tigerjag]

(Lotta snip)

Ya'll fight for second place. Get someone smart to post documented facts that put you ahead of any of the old 3-5A teams but specifically Permian. Change my mind with fact don't try to baffle me with bs.

I'm picturing you flouncing off now. :eek:

[mojotrain]

Pretty defensive about your fans huh?:D I'll take over 50,000 fans for the Trinity / Carroll game, with many more stuck outside trying to get in...No matter where it was played it was a mob and it was electric! We played you guys in Lubbock a couple of years ago, so we've seen your mojo... One thing we can agree on, especially those of us who have been to out of state games, nobody brings the fans like Texas.

50,000 fans in a area of multi millions is miniscule and is a reflection of texas high school football fans as much as fans of Carrol or ET.

25,000 fans in a town of 100,000 is huge and a notice of fans of Permian or Odessa High. Same for both Midland schools or a combination of either. Permian being the greatest draw of all.

When we came to the ET place in 2006 after a 5-5 season and un ranked we brought as many fans to your house as you brought to Ratliff in 2007 when you were ranked and ranked ahead of us.

During regular season no one has more fans at games than Permian. During playoffs teams from metro or near metro areas may have more in attendence but that shouldn't be construed as all fans for either teams. Just fans of football.

Putting it on a single team basis. No one touch's Permian. The first game of 2008 Permian will have more Permian fans in the seats than ET has ET fans at you first home game. That will happen throughout the regular season. If we play you at a neutral site in the playoffs , Permian fans will out number ET fans. If that site is in the DFW area and you incompass all of DFW as your fan base then you will outnumber us. That's not a big deal. Us bringing 12,000 from 300 miles away is a very big deal.

For over 40 years Plano is the only one close, but they can do their own fighting for second place.

[mojotrain]

Pretty defensive about your fans huh?:D I'll take over 50,000 fans for the Trinity / Carroll game, with many more stuck outside trying to get in...No matter where it was played it was a mob and it was electric! We played you guys in Lubbock a couple of years ago, so we've seen your mojo... One thing we can agree on, especially those of us who have been to out of state games, nobody brings the fans like Texas.

Not that I really want to sound caustic. Especially to you SLC fans. You did show up in Lubbock. Your fans and Team both reminded of what we had once been. I believe coach Allman took more from that game than any. For the 40 plus years I've been following Permian the fans where as much of a topic as the team. Not ony in sheer numbers but the rankness of our support. It dwindled somewhat in the later nintys and early two thousands but that means we dropped from 10,000 plus a game to 6000. We are back now. To me that's #1 in the state.

[CCHS77]

Not ony in sheer numbers but the rankness of our support.

"rankness"????????

[drgnbkr]

"rankness"????????

Lubbock can be pretty stanky when the wind blows just right, but I would never evaluate Permian based upon their "rankness"....:eek: There are rankings, you can be ranked, road kill can achieve a level of rank & depending on the heat, can reach a level of rankness that would scare off even the most desperately hungry buzzard....

[mojotrain]

Lubbock can be pretty stanky when the wind blows just right, but I would never evaluate Permian based upon their "rankness"....:eek: There are rankings, you can be ranked, road kill can achieve a level of rank & depending on the heat, can reach a level of rankness that would scare off even the most desperately hungry buzzard....

Well yes, some consider us to be somewhere in that mix.

[D-FW#1]

i was at the Alamodome when San Benito filled the lower level and wrapped ahlf way around the end-zone. weslaco easily had 17,000 on their side this past year.

there aren't alot of region 4 teams that travel like the valley (as an area) does.

:laugh
What else is there to do in the Valley?

[fballgirl22]

"rankness"????????


Wees stanky:eek:

[CCHS77]

Wees stanky:eek:

Question or statement?

[fballgirl22]

Question or statement?


Statement :D

[DrEdward]

Are your trying to draw the Trinity fans off sides with that remark?. Nope we ain't gonna bite! too much discipline and good coaching :D

No. I was not even trying to imply anything negative. I have rooted for Trinity on many occasions (granted not against Carroll). But when sitting in Texas Stadium for quite a few playoff games involving Trinity, I was always a bit surprised that more Tirnity fans didn't make the trip across 183 to cheer for the haka guys.

[Redhoss]

Mojotrain makes a great point in regard to the number of fans who turn out to a game from a town of less than 100k.

I've been to games with Mojo and Odessa High with standing room only in a stadium which holds 18,000.

In addition, I've attended games in places like Shotwell, Abilene with some Mojo friends to cheer them in the playoffs. When Mojo has traveled in the playoffs in the past, some supporters are from the cross town rival OHS.
The town and area really do turn out.

[purebloodedpanther81]

I know that in the valley, we don't have huge stadiums like the numbers posted a few pages back, but, obviously, we don't have the city populations to fill up 20,000 seat stadiums. However, the fan bases are awesome, despite their lack in population. I know in Weslaco, our stadium holds about 8,500 and the home side is sold out every single time. Against SA Madison, we brought in extra bleachers and had at least 10,000 there. That doesn't include those parked across the street and watching the game on our video scoreboard...We travel pretty well too. I remember a thursday night game where we had to travel to Brownsville, about 40 min. away, and we had a bigger crowd than the home team. Also, last year at the Alamodome against Laredo United, I was told that we broke attendance records for football games at the dome that was not a part of the state final four! We had more fans travel to SA for that game than SA fans travel to Weslaco for our game this year...

Away side...middle section is Madison, rest is valley
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/tuesday_green00/DSC05227-1.jpg

small pic of home side
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/mitsuclipse_02/Weslaco%20Panthers/stadium4-1.jpg

[PackAttack2005]

We will see how all these great fan bases travel next fall when gas is $3.40 or more a gallon.

The fan bases I have seen personally, that not only support big at home but equally on the road are Lufkin, Longview, Katy and SLC. Road support needs to be defined because the fan bases in East Texas and West Texas travel many more miles for road games than the fans in the Houston, Dallas or SA areas. In Lufkin's case, except for Nacogdoches every other year, all of our road games are at least 100 - 150 miles or more one way and I know the West Texas schools have even greater distances to cover. If the team has a huge fan base that follows them on the long road miles, that should be a deciding factor for who has the best fans.

[odessapermian.com]

"largest fan base"

I don't know guys....some of those Trinity fans were pretty large. :eek:

[grayowl60]

I went to see a playoff game between Gilmer and Dallas Roosevelt last Fall at Mesquite Memorial. That stadium seats 20,000. 10,000 on each side. Us locals usually sit on the east side when we go to a game between teams that are not a "home" team, so I sat on the east looking across at the Gilmer crowd. Nowthen, Gilmer has about 600 students in the top four grades, and the city has maybe 5500 population. Thier side was at least 50% full. almost all in Gilmer colors. So they had about 5000 people there. Traveled around 100 miles or so.
The next week I went to the Plano*, Skyline game, and sat on the Skyline side of Mesquite Memorial. O f course Memorial was not near large enough, yada, yada. But what I saw across the way was a Plano side that was at the most 75% to 80% full. Maybe 8000 at the most, and likely many of those were local east side generic fans.

[AHSeagles]

Mojotrain makes a great point in regard to the number of fans who turn out to a game from a town of less than 100k.

I've been to games with Mojo and Odessa High with standing room only in a stadium which holds 18,000.

In addition, I've attended games in places like Shotwell, Abilene with some Mojo friends to cheer them in the playoffs. When Mojo has traveled in the playoffs in the past, some supporters are from the cross town rival OHS.
The town and area really do turn out.

I've never been to a Permian vs. Odessa High game, but I've never been to an OHS game, home or away, where they came close to filling their side of the stands. Most of the time we bring more to Odessa than their home crowd does.

[Ranger2010]

based on FB Clements/Katy game, id say katy....

[mojotrain]

Mojotrain makes a great point in regard to the number of fans who turn out to a game from a town of less than 100k.

I've been to games with Mojo and Odessa High with standing room only in a stadium which holds 18,000.

In addition, I've attended games in places like Shotwell, Abilene with some Mojo friends to cheer them in the playoffs. When Mojo has traveled in the playoffs in the past, some supporters are from the cross town rival OHS.
The town and area really do turn out.

Pssssst! Red, you been gone too long. Barrett had 21,000 real seats and Ratliff had 19,300 until now.

[mojotrain]

We will see how all these great fan bases travel next fall when gas is $3.40 or more a gallon.

The fan bases I have seen personally, that not only support big at home but equally on the road are Lufkin, Longview, Katy and SLC. Road support needs to be defined because the fan bases in East Texas and West Texas travel many more miles for road games than the fans in the Houston, Dallas or SA areas. In Lufkin's case, except for Nacogdoches every other year, all of our road games are at least 100 - 150 miles or more one way and I know the West Texas schools have even greater distances to cover. If the team has a huge fan base that follows them on the long road miles, that should be a deciding factor for who has the best fans.

I think it will be a wash. A drop may happen but the leaders will still be leaders. The drop off percentage wise will be no greater in Odessa/Midland than any other part of the state. Maybe even less. Not me, but a lot of fans in these two towns are making big bucks off this mess. It may be the same in the East with oil producing areas.

[mojotrain]

"largest fan base"

I don't know guys....some of those Trinity fans were pretty large. :eek:

Right! I do remember one very large fan base from ET but it did not travel well at all. Don't you remember OP?

[Katy Band 2010]

based on FB Clements/Katy game, id say katy....

I agree but not just because of that game...

[rocketgrl94]

largest fan base that saves the most seats and puts caution tape around them goes to KATY!!!!:notworthy:notworthy:D:D

[Trinity Alum]

largest fan base that saves the most seats and puts caution tape around them goes to KATY!!!!:notworthy:notworthy:D:D

:laugh

[shady08]

euless trinity, katy, slc, ns, permian

[mojotrain]

I've never been to a Permian vs. Odessa High game, but I've never been to an OHS game, home or away, where they came close to filling their side of the stands. Most of the time we bring more to Odessa than their home crowd does.
No one is claiming OHS as the greatest fan base. They come out for Permian now and when they had success with the Sheppard kids they filled. Barrett Stadium with a capacity of 21,000 was built with that many seats for a reason. It was built for OHS and they filled it every friday night in the 40's. Odessa then had a population of less than 40,000. So even prior to Permian Odessa was king.

Look folks a good Indian sign as to where the largest fan base's in the state are would be to see where the largest high school "only" stadiums are. Big ball yards are built for one purpose. A full house of 5000 is not equal to a half house of 10,000. Barrett and now Ratliff, the most fannies in the seats for over half a century. IMO.


I still feel like our numbers guy could bring this to a end.

[mojotrain]

I've never been to a Permian vs. Odessa High game, but I've never been to an OHS game, home or away, where they came close to filling their side of the stands. Most of the time we bring more to Odessa than their home crowd does.

Believe me from the early 60's until just about 6 years ago(thats a very long time) Fans of Odessa or Permian would have been safe when the Eagles were in Odessa in fireing a battery of scatter guns across the field at the Abilene side. No one would have been hit. Eagle following was shameful. What you are now has been very short term. If you know any of your fans from those years ask them.

Perhaps the original intent of this topic was to determine who was the best last year, or the last few years. It's one of those questions with no barrow ditch's.

[AHSeagles]

Believe me from the early 60's until just about 6 years ago(thats a very long time) Fans of Odessa or Permian would have been safe when the Eagles were in Odessa in fireing a battery of scatter guns across the field at the Abilene side. No one would have been hit. Eagle following was shameful. What you are now has been very short term. If you know any of your fans from those years ask them.

Perhaps the original intent of this topic was to determine who was the best last year, or the last few years. It's one of those questions with no barrow ditch's.

Oh I know Abilene's following then was shameful. Cooper came to town in the 60s and for a very long time kind of ruled the town like Permian does in Odessa. But even when Abilene was bad and we didn't bring very many fans even to home games I still don't recall Odessa High filling their side.

[Redhoss]

I've never been to a Permian vs. Odessa High game, but I've never been to an OHS game, home or away, where they came close to filling their side of the stands. Most of the time we bring more to Odessa than their home crowd does.

I'm not surprised at that nowadays since they don't typically make the playoffs.

You wouldn't have been able to say that before Permian came into being in
'59. :D

Permian definitely has the largest following now.

[Redhoss]

Pssssst! Red, you been gone too long. Barrett had 21,000 real seats and Ratliff had 19,300 until now.

Train, not gone too long, just getting old and can't remember. :D

[hsfbfan05]

some numbers i just looked up real quick...feel free to look this up on your own and make sure im close...

odessa has approx 100,000 people and two schools
my math is a little rusty but i do believe thats 50000 to 1 (population to school)

the dfw has approx 9 million people and 230 highschools (according to dallasmorning news online, private and all classifications i.e. 5a,4a, etc) sooo.... 40000/1

more people means more schools... so the argument that dfw having more people is why they can pull more fans at a game doesnt hold much water with me, sorry guys...

[mojotrain]

According to my buddy Texas Bob, here are some interesting seating capacities of a few stadiums.

Shotwell, Abilene - 15075

Ratliff, Odessa - 19302

Abe Martin, Lufkin - 10000

Rhodes, Katy - 9768

Dragon, Southlake - 9000

Pennington, Euless - 12000

I've attended games in Odessa at the old W.T. Barrett which held approx.
18k and it was standing room only.

Katy packs the home side most every game. In '94 against Plano at Kyle Field, those nice guys wouldn't let us sit in the upper deck and we were stretched from end zone to end zone. :eek: :mad:

Red I'm gonna help ya out here with a little Red Hoss luv. concerning the mostest fans. In 1946 our:) Hosses led by the second best highschool football player ever, Byron Santone Townsend played a Kyle Rote led team from from San Antonio Jefferson for the State Championship game and of course the west Texas lads prevailed 21-14. BUT HERE IS THE STORY, 40,000 fans and in Austin.

This is kinda panty waist in numbers after that, but impressive anyhow. In 1947 those little ole West Texas kids from Odessa High were at it again but in Dallas. The foe was a bunch of uppitty rich kids from Highland Park. The Mayor of Dallas and the city council formed the officiating crew and the kids in pretty gingham dresses won 21-14. THE STORY HERE 17,000 fans in Dallas.

Not a big deal at all but they had 17,000 fans in the stands here in Odesaa against Woodrow Wilson in 1953 in a semi final game they won on first downs as the Dallas Mayor and friends were again were in charge of the whistles. A side note: A smallish defensive end Russell Rumbaugh on this team made a fannie load of tackles and recovered a fumble in this game. His grandson Ryan will start the season as the top returning pass reciever for Permian in 2008.

This can't be all OHS.

In 1984 Permian and Mitlan Lee had to play a play off game. This was before the Grande Stadium. (Which would have never been needed if it were not for the Permian/ Lee games.) Their Stadium was too small and they refused to play @ Ratliff, so they load up the busses and 25,000 drive 140 miles to Lubbock to see a football game.

Now, I know it's hard to impress most of you or give credit to any thing out of your own city limits but these are big.

[mojotrain]

some numbers i just looked up real quick...feel free to look this up on your own and make sure im close...

odessa has approx 100,000 people and two schools
my math is a little rusty but i do believe thats 50000 to 1 (population to school)

the dfw has approx 9 million people and 230 highschools (according to dallasmorning news online, private and all classifications i.e. 5a,4a, etc) sooo.... 40000/1

more people means more schools... so the argument that dfw having more people is why they can pull more fans at a game doesnt hold much water with me, sorry guys...

Thats a democrats view if I've ever seen one. Here is what I say. Hang with me on this.

Lets get 60,001 people in the seats to watch ET play SLC. This is a huge game, a premier game between two top teams in the nation.

1) Est. 7,000 come from Slc. Est. maybe 15 miles.
2) Est. 7,000 come from ET. Est maybe 15 miles.
3) Est. 4,000 concerned come from HP. Est. 10 miles.
4) Est. 6,000 concerned from Arl. Bowie. Est. 6 miles.
5) Est. 8,000 concerned from Arl. Red River. Est. 6.5 miles.
6) Est. 17,500 concerned from Carter. Est 8 blocks.
7) Est. 500 from Plano South by southwest. Est.45 miles.
8) Est. 10,000 from Plano the other way. Est. 45 miles.
9) Est. 1 from Denton. Est 40 miles.


Thats 60,001, I hope. See little effort. The two schools playing furnish 14,000 fans, Who drive a few miles to see the games. The remainder are fans of highschool football, none of which are required to drive over 50 miles to see a once in a decade game. So the draw is 60,000 from a possibility of 9,000,000. Figure that out for me please.


To get 60,001 people into Ratliff to see OHS and Permian Play
1) est. 11,500 from PHS at zero miles
2) est 11,501 from OHS at est. I mile.
3) uhhh
4) uhhh
5) uhhh
6) uhhh
7) uhhh
8) Est. 0 from El Paso Habernero. Est. 285 miles.
9) Est. 0 from Panhandleshot. Est. 345 miles.

See, for us It can't be done and it need not be done. !00,000 thousand people in a town, on a friday night. 23,001 on the corner of Yukon and Grandview at a place know as Ratliff, viewing a game no one cares about other than...100,000 people. It's been this way for Odessa since 1946, Permian since 1959. A recently published book on the NY times best seller list called, "100 must see things before you die". The OHS /Permian game was one of the hundred and the only highschool football game on the list. It was not a sports book. We didn't write it, we didn't print it, we didn't ask that it be printed. It happened, It is what it is.

So in this town, out of 100,000 humble souls, almost 25 percent of them are at the game. That would be equal to 2,250,000 to view Slc/ ET.:eek:

Your math isn't rusty it's just that your in the wrong book.

I have a good friend in Abilene who has a saying I would like to borrow but change just a little.

If having the most fans were easy then someplace other than Odessa would have the title of having the most fans.

The last statement is a joke, it's 1:15 am so take it as that please.

[RedRage00]

largest fan base that saves the most seats and puts caution tape around them goes to KATY!!!!:notworthy:notworthy:D:D

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!:notworthy

[Redhoss]

Red I'm gonna help ya out here with a little Red Hoss luv. concerning the mostest fans. In 1946 our:) Hosses led by the second best highschool football player ever, Byron Santone Townsend played a Kyle Rote led team from from San Antonio Jefferson for the State Championship game and of course the west Texas lads prevailed 21-14. BUT HERE IS THE STORY, 40,000 fans and in Austin.

This is kinda panty waist in numbers after that, but impressive anyhow. In 1947 those little ole West Texas kids from Odessa High were at it again but in Dallas. The foe was a bunch of uppitty rich kids from Highland Park. The Mayor of Dallas and the city council formed the officiating crew and the kids in pretty gingham dresses won 21-14. THE STORY HERE 17,000 fans in Dallas.

Not a big deal at all but they had 17,000 fans in the stands here in Odesaa against Woodrow Wilson in 1953 in a semi final game they won on first downs as the Dallas Mayor and friends were again were in charge of the whistles. A side note: A smallish defensive end Russell Rumbaugh on this team made a fannie load of tackles and recovered a fumble in this game. His grandson Ryan will start the season as the top returning pass reciever for Permian in 2008.

This can't be all OHS.

In 1984 Permian and Mitlan Lee had to play a play off game. This was before the Grande Stadium. (Which would have never been needed if it were not for the Permian/ Lee games.) Their Stadium was too small and they refused to play @ Ratliff, so they load up the busses and 25,000 drive 140 miles to Lubbock to see a football game.

Now, I know it's hard to impress most of you or give credit to any thing out of your own city limits but these are big.

Train, your recollection of history is better than mine. Of course you are older even though not by much. :)

That same 1946 Redhoss team had a quarterback by the name of Hayden Fry. Some here might remember he coached some years later at the alma mater, SMU, North Texas I think and finally Iowa.
My Mother ran around with his sister.

I also went to school with a guy by the name of Townsend. Guess who he belonged to? :eek:

I have cousins who played for the Hosses when they were in the playoffs and their nephews played on Permian's '72 State team. They both were starters.

Thanks a lot for the history lesson. :D

One of the best football games I've ever seen happened at W. T. Barrett between two teams wearing Red and Black. :D

[mojotrain]

Train, your recollection of history is better than mine. Of course you are older even though not by much. :)

That same 1946 Redhoss team had a quarterback by the name of Hayden Fry. Some here might remember he coached some years later at the alma mater, SMU, North Texas I think and finally Iowa.
My Mother ran around with his sister.

I also went to school with a guy by the name of Townsend. Guess who he belonged to? :eek:

I have cousins who played for the Hosses when they were in the playoffs and their nephews played on Permian's '72 State team. They both were starters.

Thanks a lot for the history lesson. :D

One of the best football games I've ever seen happened at W. T. Barrett between two teams wearing Red and Black. :D

Keep your memory bank open. Maybe we can grab a ice cream cone at otto's some time.

[rocketgrl94]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!:notworthy

its true!!!! i'll probably never witness that again from any school

[mojoguy]

some numbers i just looked up real quick...feel free to look this up on your own and make sure im close...

odessa has approx 100,000 people and two schools
my math is a little rusty but i do believe thats 50000 to 1 (population to school)

the dfw has approx 9 million people and 230 highschools (according to dallasmorning news online, private and all classifications i.e. 5a,4a, etc) sooo.... 40000/1

more people means more schools... so the argument that dfw having more people is why they can pull more fans at a game doesnt hold much water with me, sorry guys...

Ok, now let's analyze those (loaded) numbers. 50,000 people per school in Odessa vs. 40,000 per school in Dallas. That means that we should put fans in the stands ON AVERAGE at a rate that is 5:4 the size of a Dallas area game. Let's just say that on average we bring about 9,000 home fans per game. That would mean that in the AVERAGE Dallas area game there should be roughly 7,200 home fans at the game. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is probably not the case. I guess I'm missing your point. We actually sell a lot more tickets than almost any Dallas area schools do. Now, before you run in and point out certain playoff games with their ticket numbers, please remember that when the fans of one school are not able to watch their team play, they go to see the big games between other teams in the area. I'm not taking anything away from SLC or Trinity or Plano, but I'm just saying.

[jrp83]

Judson? Are you kidding?

They don't even fill up Comalander most of the time. And that is just down the street from Converse.

I'll agree with you on that, Judson's fan base probably started declining as early as a few years before Wagner opened, mainly due to sub par regular season records. The die hards such as myself will alway be there, but the poor records and missing the PO's a few times lately have not endeared the program to the younger generation. And with all the entertainment choices that are out there today, you won't attract too much attention with 6-4 regular season records, even if you make the PO's and make a deep run. Now back in the 80's & 90's, you would have definetely included Judson.

Go Rockets!!

[mojotrain]

Ok, now let's analyze those (loaded) numbers. 50,000 people per school in Odessa vs. 40,000 per school in Dallas. That means that we should put fans in the stands ON AVERAGE at a rate that is 5:4 the size of a Dallas area game. Let's just say that on average we bring about 9,000 home fans per game. That would mean that in the AVERAGE Dallas area game there should be roughly 7,200 home fans at the game. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is probably not the case. I guess I'm missing your point. We actually sell a lot more tickets than almost any Dallas area schools do. Now, before you run in and point out certain playoff games with their ticket numbers, please remember that when the fans of one school are not able to watch their team play, they go to see the big games between other teams in the area. I'm not taking anything away from SLC or Trinity or Plano, but I'm just saying.
Where did he go?:)

[Plano West Wolf]

Where did he go?:)

To the Hillary Clinton rally. :D

[Plano West Wolf]

some numbers i just looked up real quick...feel free to look this up on your own and make sure im close...

odessa has approx 100,000 people and two schools
my math is a little rusty but i do believe thats 50000 to 1 (population to school)

the dfw has approx 9 million people and 230 highschools (according to dallasmorning news online, private and all classifications i.e. 5a,4a, etc) sooo.... 40000/1

more people means more schools... so the argument that dfw having more people is why they can pull more fans at a game doesnt hold much water with me, sorry guys...

Those numbers really don't mean anything, there is just so much more to consider when analyzing fan-bases like how old the school is, state championships won, ect, ect, ect. You can't just plug in numbers like that to determine the strength of fan-bases.

[Redhoss]

Keep your memory bank open. Maybe we can grab a ice cream cone at otto's some time.

Are you kidding, is Otto's still open? :D

[mojotrain]

Those numbers really don't mean anything, there is just so much more to consider when analyzing fan-bases like how old the school is, state championships won, ect, ect, ect. You can't just plug in numbers like that to determine the strength of fan-bases.

And you are absolutly right. Almost! Permian playing 500 ball and coached by Scott Smith and OHS playing about the same played before 24,000 in 2004.

The only measurment you can use is what team sells the most tickets to view their games in their home games during a regular/District game. Thats their fans. Thats their fan base.

Permian has fans all over the State and Nation but no one who graduates from Permian stays in Odessa. They are in DFW or Houston or Jail they are fans but not in the sense that they could be counted in a poll such as this.

You can't count SLC vs ET in front of 60,000 at Texas Stadium anything other than, that's a heck of a lot of Texas High School Football fans some of which were fans of SLC and ET.

To come to a conclusion, to have a winner, only ticket sales at home from your ticket facility must be counted.

Beyond that woud be supposition wouldn't it? I told ya the numbers guy could dig it out of something.

[mojotrain]

Are you kidding, is Otto's still open? :D

Nope! I'm just making sure you are really the red deal. You can't trust hardly anyone one this site.

[Redhoss]

Nope! I'm just making sure you are really the red deal. You can't trust hardly anyone one this site.

Ha, don't doubt you there. :eek:

I've eaten a lot of ice cream at Otto's. Mom got us hooked. :D

As it turned out, we moved and it was on the way home. ;)

[katyfan52]

It seems that Permian has laid claim to the most fans in the seats. The question I am left with after reading all this is, "What else is there to do on any given Friday night in Odessa?" After looking at event calendars for the City of Odessa it appears that they have about as many drawing events in a year as one of the greater metropolitan areas might have in a week or month. The City of Katy had a population of approximately 12,000 in the 2000 census. While their proximity to the Greater Houston Area makes it possible for residents to take advantage of the many cultural, entertainment and sports (college and professional) offerings, Katy games still draw capacity crowds all season. Now I'm not a numbers person, but it seems to me that those factors should maybe be considered in coming up with an answer to the question. Can you tell I'm a Katy fan??? I think my sig says it all. :D

[RedRage00]

It seems that Permian has laid claim to the most fans in the seats. The question I am left with after reading all this is, "What else is there to do on any given Friday night in Odessa?" After looking at event calendars for the City of Odessa it appears that they have about as many drawing events in a year as one of the greater metropolitan areas might have in a week or month. The City of Katy had a population of approximately 12,000 in the 2000 census. While their proximity to the Greater Houston Area makes it possible for residents to take advantage of the many cultural, entertainment and sports (college and professional) offerings, Katy games still draw capacity crowds all season. Now I'm not a numbers person, but it seems to me that those factors should maybe be considered in coming up with an answer to the question. Can you tell I'm a Katy fan??? I think my sig says it all. :D

Good point. People in metro areas have more things to do on a Friday night than go to a HS football game. Usually the ones that go are the ones that are hardcore fans for life, parents, family and friends.

No offense to Odessa and Permian fans but if I lived in Odessa I'd probably have nothing else to do as well. LOL

RR

[mojoguy]

The majority of the fans that go to the Permian games would go if Odessa was one giant party. I won't question the fanhood of Katy fans or anything, but to say the ticket sales are only as a result of there being nothing else to do out here is a huge cop-out. That's like saying Tech should sell more tickets than UT because the people out in West Texas have so much less to do on a Saturday afternoon.


Give Odessa some credit too, by the way. We have always found plenty of ways to get into trouble every night of the week out here. ;)

[DrEdward]

I have no arguments with the observation that Permian has a great fan base, maybe one of the most loyal and perhaps largest around. I am far less certain that ticket sales to the home stadium is all that reliable a measure. No all schools play in a stadium the size of Ratliff. Carroll plays in a stadium that seats around 9,000 but we can get about 11,000 into before the fire marshall says stop. I would estimate that on a typical Friday night home game, about 8500 show up. Of those, probably about 6,000 or so are Carroll fans. To put that in perspective, such attendance represents about 25% of the population of Southlake, although not all the Carroll fans are from the City of Southlake. When Carroll plays in a larger capacity stadium, e.g., Texas Stadium, many more Carroll fans typically show up, simply because there is more room for them to do so. So the capacity of a stadium certainly would limit the size of the fan base if we were to rely solely on the size of the home stadium as a measure of size of the fan base, although the measures may well be positively correlated.

[mojoguy]

I have no arguments with the observation that Permian has a great fan base, maybe one of the most loyal and perhaps largest around. I am far less certain that ticket sales to the home stadium is all that reliable a measure. No all schools play in a stadium the size of Ratliff. Carroll plays in a stadium that seats around 9,000 but we can get about 11,000 into before the fire marshall says stop. I would estimate that on a typical Friday night home game, about 8500 show up. Of those, probably about 6,000 or so are Carroll fans. To put that in perspective, such attendance represents about 25% of the population of Southlake, although not all the Carroll fans are from the City of Southlake. When Carroll plays in a larger capacity stadium, e.g., Texas Stadium, many more Carroll fans typically show up, simply because there is more room for them to do so. So the capacity of a stadium certainly would limit the size of the fan base if we were to rely solely on the size of the home stadium as a measure of size of the fan base, although the measures may well be positively correlated.

I definitely appreciate the Carroll fans. They are some of the coolest and most knowledgeable around, and they are elite. So are some other select programs. I won't knock any program that shows up the way you guys do in the playoffs, and the Dragons have a lot of respect everywhere they go, because of the fact that their football program is such a classy operation and news of it travels by word of mouth. Katy fans are the same way in a lot of ways. Plano also has a very elite group of fans. There are others as well that have large, classy fanbases. I just think Permian definitely belongs in the same group as those schools, and probably resides at or near the top. I agree 100% with your observation about ticket sales not being a great indicator though. If SLC played at a stadium comparable in size to Ratliff, they would sell out the home side every week as well. I think a more realistic measure of the size of a fanbase might be merchandise sales or something along those lines. When it comes to quality though, its hard to pick between the big time programs' fanbases. The devotion in Texas to high school football is high enough that most of the programs we talk about in here have booster clubs and ISD's that will put millions of dollars at a time into the program. The fact that so many people are on message boards talking about football season in March also says a lot.

[trojanbacker]

All the schools mentioned on this thread can make an argument for having a great fan base. I'd put Trinity somewhere in the middle of that list. They tend to show up for big games but not so much for contests that are expected to be blowouts.

Of a larger concern to me are those schools that we all see each year who have no following at all. How many times have you looked across the field to see the band, drill team and little cluster of parents -- 200 - 300 people at the most? It really bothers me to know how much work those kids put into the game and look up into the stands and see mostly empty seats. I feel bad for them and a bit selfish for bemoaning the fact that we "only" have 5,000 or 6,000 at the game.

[dada]

All the schools mentioned on this thread can make an argument for having a great fan base. I'd put Trinity somewhere in the middle of that list. They tend to show up for big games but not so much for contests that are expected to be blowouts.

Of a larger concern to me are those schools that we all see each year who have no following at all. How many times have you looked across the field to see the band, drill team and little cluster of parents -- 200 - 300 people at the most? It really bothers me to know how much work those kids put into the game and look up into the stands and see mostly empty seats. I feel bad for them and a bit selfish for bemoaning the fact that we "only" have 5,000 or 6,000 at the game.

Exactly.....that's why we are trying "Operation: Sam Houston" here in Houston.....speaking of which, I've recieved responses and support from EVERYONE..except for Sam Houston High.....

[AE 8008]

there is a pee wee team here in the Ft. Worth area called Mojo, named after permian. their jersies and helmets look just the same as OP's.

[drgnbkr]

All the schools mentioned on this thread can make an argument for having a great fan base. I'd put Trinity somewhere in the middle of that list. They tend to show up for big games but not so much for contests that are expected to be blowouts.

Of a larger concern to me are those schools that we all see each year who have no following at all. How many times have you looked across the field to see the band, drill team and little cluster of parents -- 200 - 300 people at the most? It really bothers me to know how much work those kids put into the game and look up into the stands and see mostly empty seats. I feel bad for them and a bit selfish for bemoaning the fact that we "only" have 5,000 or 6,000 at the game.

I agree...we can all agree on the top programs, fan wise, it is the Dallas teams, Houston inner city teams, that can't even get their own parents to show up..that is sad...

[LPMOM]

I agree...we can all agree on the top programs, fan wise, it is the Dallas teams, Houston inner city teams, that can't even get their own parents to show up..that is sad...

it breaks my heart when i'm at a game like that. you look at the crowd and realize that not even all of the parents showed up.

[Planofan2007]

I went to see a playoff game between Gilmer and Dallas Roosevelt last Fall at Mesquite Memorial. That stadium seats 20,000. 10,000 on each side. Us locals usually sit on the east side when we go to a game between teams that are not a "home" team, so I sat on the east looking across at the Gilmer crowd. Nowthen, Gilmer has about 600 students in the top four grades, and the city has maybe 5500 population. Thier side was at least 50% full. almost all in Gilmer colors. So they had about 5000 people there. Traveled around 100 miles or so.
The next week I went to the Plano*, Skyline game, and sat on the Skyline side of Mesquite Memorial. O f course Memorial was not near large enough, yada, yada. But what I saw across the way was a Plano side that was at the most 75% to 80% full. Maybe 8000 at the most, and likely many of those were local east side generic fans.

Your little bios against Plano is very annoying. Every time you post something you bring Plano into even when no one said anything about Plano.

I doubt you where at that game b/c it was way more than 80% full and I am sure you didn't travel the 4 hours the week before and see how full Round Rock Stadium was on the Plano side.

[dada]

it breaks my heart when i'm at a game like that. you look at the crowd and realize that not even all of the parents showed up.

Katy played Madison in the second round of the playoffs....I will be generous and say Madison had 50 fans in the stands and 25 of those were Katy fans who couldnt find a seat on the Katy side.

[drgnbkr]

Katy played Madison in the second round of the playoffs....I will be generous and say Madison had 50 fans in the stands and 25 of those were Katy fans who couldnt find a seat on the Katy side.

We've seen that up here when we played Dallas Roosevelt or Spruce. Sad...The band would consist of 4 or 5 kids standing on the track, w/out uniforms, banging on some drums...All credit to them for showing up, but still sad.

[twcpfan1]

It seems that Permian has laid claim to the most fans in the seats. The question I am left with after reading all this is, "What else is there to do on any given Friday night in Odessa?" After looking at event calendars for the City of Odessa it appears that they have about as many drawing events in a year as one of the greater metropolitan areas might have in a week or month. The City of Katy had a population of approximately 12,000 in the 2000 census. While their proximity to the Greater Houston Area makes it possible for residents to take advantage of the many cultural, entertainment and sports (college and professional) offerings, Katy games still draw capacity crowds all season. Now I'm not a numbers person, but it seems to me that those factors should maybe be considered in coming up with an answer to the question. Can you tell I'm a Katy fan??? I think my sig says it all. :D

Not sure if there's anything in the City of Houston that would be enough to lure me away from a Friday night HS football game CP are playing in. Restaurants aren't that terrific. Not exactly an attractive city overall. And the shows in the Theater district? They usually run for more than one night. No need to go on game night. College Sports in Houston? Yeah they exist, but that's about it. When U of H and Rice students start giving a flip, yeah maybe.

I guess my point is, I don't really see anything within a 75 mile radius of Katy or the Woodlands for that matter, that would be considered a reasonable lure away from Rhodes/Woodforest on game night. I see no real sacrifices here.

[Redhoss]

The majority of the fans that go to the Permian games would go if Odessa was one giant party. I won't question the fanhood of Katy fans or anything, but to say the ticket sales are only as a result of there being nothing else to do out here is a huge cop-out. That's like saying Tech should sell more tickets than UT because the people out in West Texas have so much less to do on a Saturday afternoon.


Give Odessa some credit too, by the way. We have always found plenty of ways to get into trouble every night of the week out here. ;)

I can testify to that. :D

[NHB06]

Your little bios against Plano is very annoying. Every time you post something you bring Plano into even when no one said anything about Plano.

I doubt you where at that game b/c it was way more than 80% full and I am sure you didn't travel the 4 hours the week before and see how full Round Rock Stadium was on the Plano side.

Don't worry about him PF2007. Gayowl has got a bad case of Plano*envy. When it comes to taking about size, he can't stand the fact that his owls don't measure up.

[katyfan52]

I definitely appreciate the Carroll fans. They are some of the coolest and most knowledgeable around, and they are elite. So are some other select programs. I won't knock any program that shows up the way you guys do in the playoffs, and the Dragons have a lot of respect everywhere they go, because of the fact that their football program is such a classy operation and news of it travels by word of mouth. Katy fans are the same way in a lot of ways. Plano also has a very elite group of fans. There are others as well that have large, classy fanbases. I just think Permian definitely belongs in the same group as those schools, and probably resides at or near the top. I agree 100% with your observation about ticket sales not being a great indicator though. If SLC played at a stadium comparable in size to Ratliff, they would sell out the home side every week as well. I think a more realistic measure of the size of a fanbase might be merchandise sales or something along those lines. When it comes to quality though, its hard to pick between the big time programs' fanbases. The devotion in Texas to high school football is high enough that most of the programs we talk about in here have booster clubs and ISD's that will put millions of dollars at a time into the program. The fact that so many people are on message boards talking about football season in March also says a lot.I think the same is true with us, with the stadiums being close to the same in capacity, but our numbers at least double when we are in a venue that will support those numbers.

Absolutely. ;)

[katyfan52]

All the schools mentioned on this thread can make an argument for having a great fan base. I'd put Trinity somewhere in the middle of that list. They tend to show up for big games but not so much for contests that are expected to be blowouts.

Of a larger concern to me are those schools that we all see each year who have no following at all. How many times have you looked across the field to see the band, drill team and little cluster of parents -- 200 - 300 people at the most? It really bothers me to know how much work those kids put into the game and look up into the stands and see mostly empty seats. I feel bad for them and a bit selfish for bemoaning the fact that we "only" have 5,000 or 6,000 at the game.
I feel the same way at many games. It's sad for those kids. :(

[katyfan52]

Katy played Madison in the second round of the playoffs....I will be generous and say Madison had 50 fans in the stands and 25 of those were Katy fans who couldnt find a seat on the Katy side.
And that was the day it was POURING down rain. Madison had some talented kids and from what I've heard one of the better coaches in the area. It's just a shame. But what a testament to their commitment to the game that they come out and play their hardest no matter what. :notworthy

[katyfan52]

Not sure if there's anything in the City of Houston that would be enough to lure me away from a Friday night HS football game CP are playing in. Restaurants aren't that terrific. Not exactly an attractive city overall. And the shows in the Theater district? They usually run for more than one night. No need to go on game night. College Sports in Houston? Yeah they exist, but that's about it. When U of H and Rice students start giving a flip, yeah maybe.

I guess my point is, I don't really see anything within a 75 mile radius of Katy or the Woodlands for that matter, that would be considered a reasonable lure away from Rhodes/Woodforest on game night. I see no real sacrifices here.
I'll have to agree with you there, but we are the junkies. :D

[katyfan52]

I can testify to that. :D
After reading your posts for a few years, I have no trouble believing that. ;)

[mojotrain]

We have been through this before but maybe a few new ones are here.

Friday nights in Odessa or Midland fans are at Ratliff or Grande, both built in their own times at no expense to showcase our kids at something they do very well in. Most in these two cities will agree that putting money into showing support for our kids is better that shelling out 100 bucks for a 80 minute drive 15 miles around loop to see Madona throw chunk of plastic out for one gillionth of a second and shine a pole. We have Misty Missle at the Ittledo club for 8 bucks it takes 5 minutes to get there and she dances to Madonas records. The ones that go go one quarter everclear and threequarters bud light. They are good with that. I don't know what they see.

Midland is more refined they don't allow those clubs over there. They send there folks over here. To repay we send our bandits over there.

We have a little Ice Hockey team that plays in some not so big league, same with a arena football team and midland has a Texas league basseball team. They are all or have been good. At least you don't need to worry about reading about a underacheving, overpaid drug addict not showing up for practice.

For something, an event that is going to be in your cities that is worth while I bet there are some areas of your town that all in Odessa/Midland could beat you there. Southwest has made you our berbs.

You have all these places but truthfully how many times do you go to them?

[Royal85]

I too suggest that many of the Valley teams have great fan support. LaJoya has been "rabid" the past few years. San Benito, Weslaco and Los Fresnos have filled stadiums. The Mission fans of the 90's were the craziest ever, but that was then. They did bring a ton of people to the Astrodome in 1990 and set high school records for the dome in attendance at that time.

[katyfan52]

We have been through this before but maybe a few new ones are here.

Friday nights in Odessa or Midland fans are at Ratliff or Grande, both built in their own times at no expense to showcase our kids at something they do very well in. Most in these two cities will agree that putting money into showing support for our kids is better that shelling out 100 bucks for a 80 minute drive 15 miles around loop to see Madona throw chunk of plastic out for one gillionth of a second and shine a pole. We have Misty Missle at the Ittledo club for 8 bucks it takes 5 minutes to get there and she dances to Madonas records. The ones that go go one quarter everclear and threequarters bud light. They are good with that. I don't know what they see.

Midland is more refined they don't allow those clubs over there. They send there folks over here. To repay we send our bandits over there.

We have a little Ice Hockey team that plays in some not so big league, same with a arena football team and midland has a Texas league basseball team. They are all or have been good. At least you don't need to worry about reading about a underacheving, overpaid drug addict not showing up for practice.

For something, an event that is going to be in your cities that is worth while I bet there are some areas of your town that all in Odessa/Midland could beat you there. Southwest has made you our berbs.

You have all these places but truthfully how many times do you go to them?
I go when I want, but never during football season. :D All banter aside, the Katy Nation has nothing but respect for the Panthers and their fans. You guys helped set the bar and we are glad to be considered your peers. :notworthy We Katy fans are pretty rabid too though. They don't call it the sea of red for nothing. ;)

[Eagle81]

Permian and Abilene for sure

That's pretty much any 5A west texas school that makes the playoffs. Especially from the old 3-5A. That district supports each other better than just about any district I've witnessed.

[Eagle81]

This picture from the Abilene-Reporter News is cool- http://eteamz.active.com/odessapermian/albums/index.cfm?id=462216&ShowGoogle=0&picture=4658787

That looks like a major college game.

[SPTigerfan]

Just wanting some opinions, which school has the largest fan base?

Round Rocks Stony Point has a huge fan base!


Go Tigers!!!!!

[Fleeman93]

That looks like a major college game.


Looks photo shopped to me.

[Redhoss]

Round Rocks Stony Point has a huge fan base!


Go Tigers!!!!!

What stadium do you call home?

[dada]

Spartan 78's brother had a GREAT shot of Clements-Katy....I'll PM him to see if he still has the link.

[Redhoss]

After reading your posts for a few years, I have no trouble believing that. ;)

Some things never change :D

[AHSeagles]

Looks photo shopped to me.

Trust me that's definitely not photo shopped. People didn't show up to that game 6 hours early to hope to get one of the few remaining tickets for nothing.

[Fleeman93]

Trust me that's definitely not photo shopped. People didn't show up to that game 6 hours early to hope to get one of the few remaining tickets for nothing.

It was a joke.

[mojotrain]

It was a joke.

Eagles have very tender feathers. We know we pulled em out last year one by one and

[Eagle81]

Eagles have very tender feathers. We know we pulled em out last year one by one and

Yeah. We finally flew down close enough for them to get to us.

[mojoguy]

Yeah. We finally flew down close enough for them to get to us.

Yeah, took long enough to get off the ground though. Sheesh. Thanks for giving us the bell back though. We had UIL make sure that you guys can never get it back. ;)

I keed, I keed.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

That looks like a major college game.

Not really. Major college has 60,000 instead of 15,000.

[Eagle81]

Yeah, took long enough to get off the ground though. Sheesh. Thanks for giving us the bell back though. We had UIL make sure that you guys can never get it back. ;)

I keed, I keed.

Interesting you used the word "give". Just kiddin' dude. Don't worry, in two years the Eagles will be back battling yall for that bell.

[Eagle81]

Not really. Major college has 60,000 instead of 15,000.

Really? No kiddin'. Thanks for enlighting me.:rolleyes:

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Really? No kiddin'. Thanks for enlighting me.:rolleyes:


You said it not me. Don't get touchy!! Very impressive crowd none the less.

[mojoguy]

Interesting you used the word "give". Just kiddin' dude. Don't worry, in two years the Eagles will be back battling yall for that bell.

Let's hope so. I already have my reservations about this new district and the lack of Abilene schools in it.

[notremojo]

looking at pictures...a lot of you guys' stadiums are small.

[Tigerjag]

looking at pictures...a lot of y'alls stadiums are small.

(Fixed)


::gasp:: Show-off! http://i28.tinypic.com/5wzayd.gif

[mojotrain]

After reading your posts for a few years, I have no trouble believing that. ;)

Brothers-in-law!

[rellufnalla]

Perhaps we might consider who has the most consistent fan base - the crowd that is perennial, that sticks around when the tide has turned and the outlook for victory is bleak.

The crowd that does not thin when the weather becomes harsh.

The crowd that is loyal when victory is not.

[mojotrain]

Perhaps we might consider who has the most consistent fan base - the crowd that is perennial, that sticks around when the tide has turned and the outlook for victory is bleak.

The crowd that does not thin when the weather becomes harsh.

The crowd that is loyal when victory is not.

Good Idea. Our only poor years were from 1999 through 2005. Poorest season was 4-6 in 1999 and best was 6-4 in 2002 the rest were 50 percent W/L. These games did show a drop off but still avraged 6000 to 7000 per game. But even in all those poor years when we played Lee or OHS it was a homeside sell out. Remember this is two games out of five home games. During seasons prior to 1999. Sell out on the home side of Ratliff or Barrett. from 9,000 to 12,000. We are now getting back to old numbers

No doubt someone can say see from 1999 through 2005 we out fanned you. But those that had 50 percent seasons can't say that.

I still would say that Barrett and Ratliff stadiums have had more paid attendence sitting on the homeside from 1959 through 2007 than any in the nation. That was the reason for the book. It's documented. It is a homer statement but then again it's not.

Odessa or Midland teams are unlike big city teams in that very few fans from surrounding connected towns just show up to see a good game. Closest towns, Andrews, Monahans and Crane 30 to 40 miles away have excellent fans bases also and great games to view at their own place.

[eaglefootball11]

In my opinion these are the top 3 fan bases in order: Permian, SLC, Katy. I am not sure Abilene would belong in top 5. I think Abilene is terrible about having many fair weather fans. Thats just what I think.

[SLCBELIEF]

I want to say either SLC or maybe Katy. From experience though I can say going to a dragons game is like no other.

[drgnbkr]

I want to say either SLC or maybe Katy. From experience though I can say going to a dragons game is like no other.

Welcome to the board! We were getting scarce on Carroll posters...:D Carroll and Lufkin, Carroll / Trinity or Carroll / Katy are the best atmospheres I've seen...Carroll / Permian was not up to that level as Permian didn't bring what I thought they would to Lubbock in 06.

[mojotrain]

I want to say either SLC or maybe Katy. From experience though I can say going to a dragons game is like no other.

Well in home games at your house, by numbers you don't do it so how do you mean like no other?

[mojotrain]

Welcome to the board! We were getting scarce on Carroll posters...:D Carroll and Lufkin, Carroll / Trinity or Carroll / Katy are the best atmospheres I've seen...Carroll / Permian was not up to that level as Permian didn't bring what I thought they would to Lubbock in 06.

We didn't show well at LUbbock. A lot of our older folks gave into the weather. We had more fans travel to the ET game just weeks earlier. Its hard to tell at a neutral field what fans are from your place or what fans are from theirs. We had more on our side but I know we also have a lotof Odessa students at Tech. There's a lot of HS football fans in Lubbock who attended the game. We sold about 6,000 tickets in Odessa for the game I guess maybe 4,000 made the trip. How many were sold to your fans in SLC? Nuetral fields are no qway to compare but if you must that would be about the only way to compare. Us being 9-3 and runners up in our district and SLC being 12-0 and defending State/National Champs I was shocked at the small numbers on your side but by the second half your side was louder than ours. I do expect us to return to the plus 10,000 per home game average in 2008.

[AE 8008]

Not really. Major college has 60,000 instead of 15,000.

not all. some D1s are in the 15-25k range. not all have the "big house" or anything similar to it, mostly just the major programs.

[AE 8008]

I want to say either SLC or maybe Katy. From experience though I can say going to a dragons game is like no other.

ive been to a dragons game and will attest that the home crowd is good no doubt, but no better than permian or abilene. permian and abilene outgun slc on the road; i was disappointed in slc's showup in the abilene game this year. still, they are better than most crowds

[spartanwall54]

katy has the biggest in my opinion... but the stratford fan base is by far the craziest and most loyal... one of the smallest schools in 5a, but still every game is packed regardless of conditions

[mojotrain]

katy has the biggest in my opinion... but the stratford fan base is by far the craziest and most loyal... one of the smallest schools in 5a, but still every game is packed regardless of conditions

Biggest? Ok give me numbers at your place, tickets sold where ever katy fans buy tickets.

Stratford Craziest! I don't know. How do we measure?:)

Stratford loyal? Also hard to measure loyalty but I've had Permian season tickets for 43 years and that won't put me in the top 20. 30 year season ticket holders are common.

Numbers of people in the, at home seats are the only tangables in this debate. As the season starts that could be a topic. Those figures are posted in a lot of newspapers. I'll post what I see from here and maybe others can help settle this great debate.
If not estimates would be good for me.

[dada]

MOJO wins......lock thread.....next!

[drgnbkr]

We didn't show well at LUbbock. A lot of our older folks gave into the weather. We had more fans travel to the ET game just weeks earlier. Its hard to tell at a neutral field what fans are from your place or what fans are from theirs. We had more on our side but I know we also have a lotof Odessa students at Tech. There's a lot of HS football fans in Lubbock who attended the game. We sold about 6,000 tickets in Odessa for the game I guess maybe 4,000 made the trip. How many were sold to your fans in SLC? Nuetral fields are no qway to compare but if you must that would be about the only way to compare. Us being 9-3 and runners up in our district and SLC being 12-0 and defending State/National Champs I was shocked at the small numbers on your side but by the second half your side was louder than ours. I do expect us to return to the plus 10,000 per home game average in 2008.

Probably no more shocked than we were...We'd always heard about Mojo, and I had really looked forward to seeing it...We had to drive 5 1/2 hours and equaled your crowd by all neutral accounts...But the game turned out fine...:D

[RedRage00]

Largest fan base to go silent in 1.2 seconds

SLC

vs Abilene last season

:p

[ftballin11]

Largest fan base to go silent in 1.2 seconds

SLC

vs Abilene last season

:p

Or the 03' state game when Mouton caught the go ahead TD. I went through the crowd on TV and i swear i saw everyone say OMG on th TV.

[mojotrain]

MOJO wins......lock thread.....next!

THANKS!

[mojotrain]

Probably no more shocked than we were...We'd always heard about Mojo, and I had really looked forward to seeing it...We had to drive 5 1/2 hours and equaled your crowd by all neutral accounts...But the game turned out fine...:D

Coldest second half of a ball game I've ever endured. For better or worse we need to do it again.

[Tigerjag]

Or the 03' state game when Mouton caught the go ahead TD. I went through the crowd on TV and i swear i saw everyone say OMG on th TV.

Or just a few seconds later when James Aston picked up the final first down that let Katy run out the clock. Rams Reyna got a great shot of it, with Dragon fans frozen in the background.

But, that silence has happened to all teams at one time or another. That should be another thread.

[drgnbkr]

Coldest second half of a ball game I've ever endured. For better or worse we need to do it again.
I had a full sleeping bag that I had become one with...:D I think you guys had the windier side of the field for some reason. I don't think we will be able to see each other for at least the next 2 years, as we are 2nd smallest in our district and you look to be a fixture in D-1.

[drgnbkr]

Or just a few seconds later when James Aston picked up the final first down that let Katy run out the clock. Rams Reyna got a great shot of it, with Dragon fans frozen in the background.

But, that silence has happened to all teams at one time or another. That should be another thread.

I'll always remember wondering who the guy in the bright red suspenders was on the sideline....(Coach Johnston) We have some pretty colorful guys on our sideline, and thought he was one of those types...

[Redhoss]

Coldest second half of a ball game I've ever endured. For better or worse we need to do it again.

Train, how cold was it? :D

[TrojanHorse03]

But, that silence has happened to all teams at one time or another. That should be another thread.

Very true and important to keep in mind.

[BandidoNB]

I think the largest fan base should be based on regular season games. Because everyone will have a larger crowd in the playoffs. And also someone saying here earlier about if and how much crowds diminish in losing seasons.

[Wrecking Crew 12]

Longview maybe?

[mojotrain]

Train, how cold was it? :D

It was as cold as, well I remember I was about 60 feet up toteing wheelbarrows of cement across a platform helping to build a grain elevator about 20 miles southwest of Goodwell Okla. It was about 17 but the wind was 30mph. They decided the cement was freezing and not drying. The jacks were riding up on frozen not drying concrete. Hazardious stuff. Then one time on Amistad the water kept freezing up on the spool take up and eyes of the rod and reel. Fishing in cold is more fun than watching Permian get hammered in cold. No idiots out there watching!

You were looking for something about being up in the crown of a rig and pulling wet pipe in zero weather. Right? I never did it but the old guys told me about it.

Lubbock north to Amarillo and then Texas Stadium are the coldest places in the word to play any thing.

[mojotrain]

I think the largest fan base should be based on regular season games. Because everyone will have a larger crowd in the playoffs. And also someone saying here earlier about if and how much crowds diminish in losing seasons.

Thats right.

[RedRage00]

I think the largest fan base should be based on regular season games. Because everyone will have a larger crowd in the playoffs. And also someone saying here earlier about if and how much crowds diminish in losing seasons.

This is true for even on this site as well. I've been on here since 2000 and I don't remember this many Permian fans until this past season LOL

RR

[EagleDude73]

I think the largest fan base should be based on regular season games. Because everyone will have a larger crowd in the playoffs. And also someone saying here earlier about if and how much crowds diminish in losing seasons.

So your saying third round bandwagon fans with basically a homefield advantage doesn't count.

[mojoguy]

This is true for even on this site as well. I've been on here since 2000 and I don't remember this many Permian fans until this past season LOL

RR

The internet is just one of those Al Gore inventions that gets to us West Texans a little slower than everyone else in the world. ;)

[odessapermian.com]

The original question was simply "who has the largest fanbase", period. No qualifiers or exceptions. On those terms I think Permian wins.

mojoboat, I looked for that picture you were talking about on the other thread, but couldn't find it.

[CCHS77]

The original question was simply "who has the largest fanbase", period. No qualifiers or exceptions. On those terms I think Permian wins.



What did they win?

[RedRage00]

The original question was simply "who has the largest fanbase", period. No qualifiers or exceptions. On those terms I think Permian wins.

mojoboat, I looked for that picture you were talking about on the other thread, but couldn't find it.

nm

[Redhoss]

It was as cold as, well I remember I was about 60 feet up toteing wheelbarrows of cement across a platform helping to build a grain elevator about 20 miles southwest of Goodwell Okla. It was about 17 but the wind was 30mph. They decided the cement was freezing and not drying. The jacks were riding up on frozen not drying concrete. Hazardious stuff. Then one time on Amistad the water kept freezing up on the spool take up and eyes of the rod and reel. Fishing in cold is more fun than watching Permian get hammered in cold. No idiots out there watching!

You were looking for something about being up in the crown of a rig and pulling wet pipe in zero weather. Right? I never did it but the old guys told me about it.

Lubbock north to Amarillo and then Texas Stadium are the coldest places in the word to play any thing.


I'm freezing just at the thought. :D I've been to some very cold games but that had to be one of the worst. It sleeted on us in 98 when OHS played Lubbock Coronado. :eek:

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Nederland, PNG, Lufkin, Katy, SLC, and WF Rider (only my picks cause i've actually been to their games)

[mojotrain]

This is true for even on this site as well. I've been on here since 2000 and I don't remember this many Permian fans until this past season LOL

RR

RR, Most of us didn't have pc's until oil came back a few years back. First year I had mine I didn't know it had innernet. I played card games. Some smart guy from mitlan showed me how to use it. Neat invention!

[mojotrain]

The original question was simply "who has the largest fanbase", period. No qualifiers or exceptions. On those terms I think Permian wins.

mojoboat, I looked for that picture you were talking about on the other thread, but couldn't find it.

Well it's just as well at this point. There was not anything socially redeeming qualities for the topic anyhow. It just seemed like a good thing to show at that time.

[RedRage00]

RR, Most of us didn't have pc's until oil came back a few years back. First year I had mine I didn't know it had innernet. I played card games. Some smart guy from mitlan showed me how to use it. Neat invention!


:laugh

[AllenEagles15]

Plano?


http://i38.tinypic.com/2h3dlxv.jpg

[AE 8008]

back from the dead

[trojanbacker]

I think game in and game out, SLC has the most consistently large following in North Texas. They show up for ALL the games, not just the big ones.

[AE 8008]

I think game in and game out, SLC has the most consistently large following in North Texas. They show up for ALL the games, not just the big ones.



they do have a huge crowd and following....but they probably also have the biggest hate base, at least in todays game

[trojanbacker]

Good point, as exemplified by the Hummer keyer shown on the news. What a nut job.

[saMavsFan]

Judson's fan base is uber huge. So is Katy's. But I've got to give it to Permian. That whole town goes to the football games.:notworthy

[SC52]

Oct. 3rds crowd should be huge

[DrEdward]

they do have a huge crowd and following....but they probably also have the biggest hate base, at least in todays game

Do you mean people who hate Carroll?

[jakerz]

Do you mean people who hate Carroll?

I think he does. And it's certainly true...

[DrEdward]

I think he does. And it's certainly true...

If that is his meaning, then I am not arguing. Just seeking clarification.

[Empire strikes back]

Sorry can't get the photo to work!

[odessapermian.com]

Oct. 3rds crowd should be huge


Indeed.

[AE 8008]

Do you mean people who hate Carroll?

yezzir

[MOJO_MAGIC]

Permian brings caravans of motor homes and tailgaters. _ freaked me out at the playoff game in Abilene,

That's the first thought I had. You haven't seen fan support until you see Permian fans follow MOJO through the state playoffs. Those motor homes could fill a large part of NFL stadium parking lots.

[pack75]

Does anyone happen to have a picture of the Lufkin crowd from the 2001 LP vs. Westlake State Championship game?

Electric atomosphere!

[abileneeagles311]

abilene travels pretty well to big games, but it's hard to get people to travel to fort worth when your playing teams like FW paschal. :p:p
but i have to agree that permian travels better than any other team i've seen.

[abileneeagles311]

idk if this picture was already put on here but i thought it was cool, it's last years permian-abilene high game.
http://reporternews.com/photos/2007/oct/27/6897/

[odessapermian.com]

:Music

[mojotrain]

:Music

This subject pops up fairly often. Same arguments evey time. It's like some of the younger one's hope some of the older one's have died off. So hey,.. let's try the largest fan base argument again.:)

[SLC]

I thought I remember seeing this awile back.:D

[da hawaiian]

Allen

[NBmexicutioner09]

we politely disagree.

signed,
the empty seats at SFA, 3 years ago haha thats so true..but still gotta show some love axe em jacks

[PLANO4EVER]

Texas High School football and the fanbase throughout the entire state is next to none. Plano,during the championship years of the 70's and the 80's were incredible. Including a State Championship game back in 1977 that included over 49,000 people.

[cougardude]

Texas High School football and the fanbase throughout the entire state is next to none. Plano,during the championship years of the 70's and the 80's were incredible. Including a State Championship game back in 1977 that included over 49,000 people.

But, playoff games always have people at them with no real ties to either school. Just want to see some Texas high school football, the best there is!:yes:

[mamaCat]

GUYER NATION Baby!:o...we have our own name

[dada]

The Red Sea.

[highlandernation]

Katy, Lufkin and Stony Point have all filled up the visitor side of Woodforest, and The Woodlands can sometimes bring it for the big games.

[Insaneous]

Katy or Odessa Permian. But Trinity has the best! ;)

Oh, btw, a Congrats to the Oilers! What a fairy tale season!

[reghead]

being a cove fan i would say lufkin and SLC

[Favpack]

being a cove fan i would say lufkin and SLC

Thanks - Lufkin probably peaked that Friday night against CC in Waco - what a game!

In recent years, the Purple swarm has cooled quite a bit - it will take a couple of deep PO runs to get us back at capacity - sad, but true.

[slcdragonfan]

I'll say Abilene. And Katy.

[E-Vol-ution]

I was totally impressed with Abilene......old, young, babies, cousins from surrounding areas, handicapped, homeless....it was ridiculous the numbers flowing that cold *** night in Arlington .:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

I was totally impressed with Abilene......old, young, babies, cousins from surrounding areas, handicapped, homeless....it was ridiculous the numbers flowing that cold *** night in Arlington .:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

:notworthy really amazing isn't it?

and don't forget the story of the woman who got fired from her job because she went to attend the state game.

[twcpfan1]

:notworthy really amazing isn't it?

and don't forget the story of the woman who got fired from her job because she went to attend the state game.

Was that the lady who worked retail and tried to get the day off so she can see her son play? I thought they decided to let her go to the game.

[JagFan]

Was that the lady who worked retail and tried to get the day off so she can see her son play? I thought they decided to let her go to the game.

They threatened to fire her if she did not show up but changed their mind after some pressure from the public.

[twcpfan1]

They threatened to fire her if she did not show up but changed their mind after some pressure from the public.

So who got fired? If anybody?

[JagFan]

So who got fired? If anybody?

I don't know if anyone did. The only story I remember is the lady who worked at I think Dillards. She was going to be fired if she did did not come in to work.

[E-Vol-ution]

:notworthy really amazing isn't it?

and don't forget the story of the woman who got fired from her job because she went to attend the state game.

Yep...and her son was playing.:eek:

[slcdragonfan]

Was that the lady who worked retail and tried to get the day off so she can see her son play? I thought they decided to let her go to the game.

They threatened to fire her if she did not show up but changed their mind after some pressure from the public.

So who got fired? If anybody?

That's the story. I didn't know the result, I thought she was fired. Perhaps the crowd of people with burning torches outside their establishment swayed them.