Who would be on your "Mt Rushmore" of NFL QB's?

[slorch]

Montana, Elway, Favre, Baugh

[ChanSHS]

Elway, Unitas, Montana and Favre

[Favpack]

Meredith, Staubach, Aikman, Romo

:D

[TrojanHorse03]

Montana, Favre, Marino, Manning

[slorch]

Meredith, Staubach, Aikman, Romo

:D

you win.

[jtk1519]

Montana, Elway, Marino, Brady

[Trinity Alum]

Montana, Marino, Favre, P. Manning

[CoveMom]

Meredith, Staubach, Aikman, Romo

:D

Homer? Is that you? :D

[Favpack]

Homer? Is that you? :D

What? Who's not to love in that group? It's not like I put Carter or Hogeboom in there - but I did consider Danny White.

[gtown04]

Montana, Elway, Aikman, Favre

[slorch]

What? Who's not to love in that group? It's not like I put Carter or Hogeboom in there - but I did consider Danny White.

I guess Eddie LeBaron, Craig Morton, Glenn Carano, Jason Garrett, and Bernie Kosar didn't make the cut either?
Ryan Leaf?
Wade Wilson?
Clint Longley?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

John Elway, Dan Marino, Roger "The Dodger" Staubach, Joe Montana

[CoveMom]

What? Who's not to love in that group? It's not like I put Carter or Hogeboom in there - but I did consider Danny White.

I liked your list. And, it's "your" Mt Rushmore, put White on there too!

[SLC93]

Meredith, Staubach, Aikman, Romo

:D

Nice.;)

[mad_fan]

Starr, Majik, Favre, SPACE AVAILABLE...

[TheBigPeach]

Favre, Montana, Marino, Manning or Brady

[slorch]

Favre, Montana, Marino, Manning or Brady

Play the game right or don't play at all.

No Alternates...:mad:

[TheBigPeach]

Play the game right or don't play at all.

No Alternates...:mad:

ughh fine.... Brady <--- got more rings.

[BoomerSooner]

Montana, Elway, Marino, Brady

Get the :Censor: out right now!

[Firebird]

Montana, Elway, Layne, Baugh

[WestPlano006]

Bradshaw.... why has nobody mentioned him... he owns Brady in rings and halftime show commentary.

[GoOwls]

Hey, the spirit of Mt. Rushmore would suggest that QB's who were the foundation of modern football would be the honorees, not contemporary QB's. Therfore mine would be:

Sammy Baugh
Bobby Layne
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas

[coriv]

Joe Montana - 4-0 in Super Bowls, 11 TD's - 0 Int's

John Elway - 2 Super Bowl wins. Almost single-handedly took average teams to 3 Super Bowl appearances and 4 AFC title game appearances in the late 80's and early 90's

Tom Brady - Won 3 Super Bowls with guys like Deion Branch, Troy Brown, David Patten, and David Givens at receiver. When they finally got him two elite receivers, he threw for 4,806 yards and 50 TD's.

Peyton Manning - Won a Super Bowl. Has thown for at least 3,739 yards and 26 TD's in all of his 10 seasons.

[coriv]

Starr, Majik, Favre, SPACE AVAILABLE...

Lynn Dickey.;)

[slorch]

Bradshaw.... why has nobody mentioned him... he owns Brady in rings and halftime show commentary.

Bradshaw had one of the best all time defenses, a HOF RB, and 2 great WRs( one of which is in the HOF, but I dispute his worthiness.) He was a good leader, but he didn't ever strike me as the guy that made the Steelers win the game. Yes he has 4 rings, but IMO, he isn't any better than Jim Kelly, whose name never gets mentioned in the context of greatness.

[slorch]

Hey, the spirit of Mt. Rushmore would suggest that QB's who were the foundation of modern football would be the honorees, not contemporary QB's. Therfore mine would be:

Sammy Baugh
Bobby Layne
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas

Nobody can old school like GoOwls.

Nice work.

[SLC93]

Bradshaw.... why has nobody mentioned him... he owns Brady in rings and halftime show commentary.

Lots of overs with him, like overblow & over rated. Very good ball player but, according the people that vote, was surrounded by about 37 other hall of famers.

[SLC93]

Bradshaw had one of the best all time defenses, a HOF RB, and 2 great WRs( one of which is in the HOF, but I dispute his worthiness.) He was a good leader, but he didn't ever strike me as the guy that made the Steelers win the game. Yes he has 4 rings, but IMO, he isn't any better than Jim Kelly, whose name never gets mentioned in the context of greatness.

I'd argue he's considerably less than Kelly, to be honest.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Bradshaw had one of the best all time defenses, a HOF RB, and 2 great WRs( one of which is in the HOF, but I dispute his worthiness.) He was a good leader, but he didn't ever strike me as the guy that made the Steelers win the game. Yes he has 4 rings, but IMO, he isn't any better than Jim Kelly, whose name never gets mentioned in the context of greatness.

Kelly and Bradshaw both played with great teammates:

A few of Kelly's teammates:
RB-Thurman Thomas - HOF'er/18,000 total yds/109 tds
OT-Howard Ballard - Started 112 games for Bills/4-Time All-Pro/6-Time Pro-Bowl
OG-Jim Ritcher - Played in 200 games for Bills/2-Time All-Pro/2-Time Pro Bowl
OG-Rueben Brown - Started 170 games for Bills/4-Time All-Pro/9-Time Pro-Bowl
C-Kent Hull - Started 170 games for Bills/5-Time All-Pro/4-Time Pro-Bowl
WR-Andre Reed - 14,500 yds/97 tds/4-Time All-Pro/7-Time Pro-Bowl
WR-James Lofton - Played in 70 games w/ Bills/15,000 yds/85 tds/6-Time All-Pro
DT-Freddy Smerlas - Started 152 games w/ Bills/6-Time All-Pro/5-Time Pro Bowl
NG-Jeff Wright - Started 67 games w/ 32 sacks/300 tckls (Not bad for a short NG!)
DE-Bruce Smith - HOF'er/200 sacks/ Outside Reggie White, the best DE ever!
DE-Phil Hansen - Started 148 games for Bills/62 career sacks
DE/OLB-Cornelius Bennett - 72 sacks/6-Time All-Pro
LB-Shane Conlan - Started 114 games/800 tckls/3-Time All-Pro/3-Time Pro Bowl
LB-Daryl Talley - 1200 tckls, 39 sacks/12 Ints/2-Time All-Pro
S-Nate Odoms - 2-Time All-Pro

Jim Kelly didn't play on a team with a bunch of sissies, guys! :D Find me a SB winning QB and I'll find you a team that was either led, mainly by a truly great QB's arm or by a team of All-Pro/HOF'ers. IE.. John Elway and Tom Brady going to the majority of their SB's w/ mainly their arms (Yes I know Elway had "TD", but that was only for 2 of his 4 SB apprcs)... and Bradshaw, Aikman and Kelly being surrounded by excellent All-Pro/HOF talent. Montana is the middle ground. Outside of Rice n' Rathman.. who else, off the top of your head, is considered perennial All-Pro/HOF material for the 49'ers, back then??

And both Stallworth and Swann are in the HOF.. and yes, Swann shouldn't be. He's easily the most overrated WR of All-Time.

Did you know? RB's-Franco Harris/Tony Dorsett own the record for most fumbles by a RB at 90! :eek:

[K-Rock]

Elway - Sucked

Marino, Montana, Staubach (Classiest QB to ever play the Position), P. Manning


Elway - Sucked

[WestPlano006]

Y.A. Tiddle

[SLC93]

Elway - Sucked Marino, Montana, Staubach (Classiest QB to ever play the Position), P. Manning


Elway - Sucked

Most of the free world, and even those imprisoned, would disagree. Besides the numbers, which are staggering, name another qb who took his team to 5 super bowls when 3 of those teams didn't have any talent other than him. He did more with less than any qb that we discuss for a list like this, period.

[K-Rock]

Most of the free world, and even those imprisoned, would disagree. Besides the numbers, which are staggering, name another qb who took his team to 5 super bowls when 3 of those teams didn't have any talent other than him. He did more with less than any qb that we discuss for a list like this, period.

Elway sucked. :cool:

[GoOwls]

Nobody can old school like GoOwls.

Nice work.

Thank you, I'm just 50, but I take that as an extreme compliment.

Most people don't know that between, say, 1944 to 1955, or so, Otto Graham had a .830 to .860, or so, winning percentage for the Browns. He was a true pioneer of the modern game.

[GoOwls]

Elway - Sucked

Marino, Montana, Staubach (Classiest QB to ever play the Position), P. Manning


Elway - Sucked

I will never vote for Elway for any list of excellence simply because I resent, as a fan of the game, how he manipulated the system, like a whinny little kid, at the draft. He is as classless as they come and I can't stand his lack of charachter. Same for Manning Light, even if I did cheer for him against the Evil Empire last Super Bowl. It came down to him...or them....I couldn't stand him less than I couldn't stand them...I guess. :eek:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Thank you, I'm just 50, but I take that as an extreme compliment.

Most people don't know that between, say, 1944 to 1955, or so, Otto Graham had a .830 to .860, or so, winning percentage for the Browns. He was a true pioneer of the modern game.


Graham's Brown's teammates:
WR-Ray Renfro - 2-Time All-Pro
RB-Marion Motley - NFL HOF'er
TE-Mac Speedie - 6-Time All-Pro
WR-Dante Lavelli - NFL HOF'er
C-Frank Gatski - NFL HOF'er
OG-Chuck Noll - NFL HOF'er
OG-Abe Gibron - 4-Time All-Pro
OT-Lou Rymkus - 7-Time All-Pro
K-Lou Graza - NFL HOF'er
DT-Mike McCormack - NFL HOF'er
DT-Don Colo - 6-Time All-Pro
DE-Lenny Ford - NFL HOF'er
S-Warren Lahr - 6-Time All-Pro
S-Tommy James - 2-Time All-Pro
DT-John Kisell - 2-Time All-Pro

Graham comes off as a Bradshaw-like QB, but in a different era and with a better completion percentage. He had a CCP of 55% w/ 174 tds and 135 Ints which was phenomenal for that era. He was raw, rugged and a winner. He went All-Pro in every season he played Pro football (10) and led his teams to 8 Pro football Titles. Then again, he was on a team with 7 future NFL HOF'ers and at least 15 other perrenial All-Pro players.

[dada]

Joe Montana - 4-0 in Super Bowls, 11 TD's - 0 Int's

John Elway - 2 Super Bowl wins. Almost single-handedly took average teams to 3 Super Bowl appearances and 4 AFC title game appearances in the late 80's and early 90's

Tom Brady - Won 3 Super Bowls with guys like Deion Branch, Troy Brown, David Patten, and David Givens at receiver. When they finally got him two elite receivers, he threw for 4,806 yards and 50 TD's.

Peyton Manning - Won A Super Bowl. Has thown for at least 3,739 yards and 26 TD's in all of his 10 seasons.
I guess that makes him better than Jim Kelly, Bradshaw and Williams.


Hell..I vote WARREN MOON.:D

[GoOwls]

Graham's Brown's teammates:
WR-Ray Renfro - 2-Time All-Pro
RB-Marion Motley - NFL HOF'er
TE-Mac Speedie - 6-Time All-Pro
WR-Dante Lavelli - NFL HOF'er
C-Frank Gatski - NFL HOF'er
OG-Chuck Noll - NFL HOF'er
OG-Abe Gibron - 4-Time All-Pro
OT-Lou Rymkus - 7-Time All-Pro
K-Lou Graza - NFL HOF'er
DT-Mike McCormack - NFL HOF'er
DT-Don Colo - 6-Time All-Pro
DE-Lenny Ford - NFL HOF'er
S-Warren Lahr - 6-Time All-Pro
S-Tommy James - 2-Time All-Pro
DT-John Kisell - 2-Time All-Pro

Graham comes off as a Bradshaw-like QB, but in a different era and with a better completion percentage. He had a CCP of 55% w/ 174 tds and 135 Ints which was phenomenal for that era. He was raw, rugged and a winner. He went All-Pro in every season he played Pro football (10) and led his teams to 8 Pro football Titles. Then again, he was on a team with 7 future NFL HOF'ers and at least 15 other perrenial All-Pro players.

True...all true...but I'm talking about just the groundwork he laid for todays game, based on the earlier premise of mine that the NFL MT. Rushmore should be populated by the guys who laid the groundwork, not contemporary guys, just like the real Mt. Rushmore.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

True...all true...but I'm talking about just the groundwork he laid for todays game, based on the earlier premise of mine that the NFL MT. Rushmore should be populated by the guys who laid the groundwork, not contemporary guys, just like the real Mt. Rushmore.

I would question the meaning and foundation of Mt. Rushmore. Are these QB's the greatest of All-Time?? Or just a bunch of guys who did it first??

[GoOwls]

I would question the meaning and foundation of Mt. Rushmore. Are these QB's the greatest of All-Time?? Or just a bunch of guys who did it first??

From Wikipedia:



Between October 4, 1927, and October 31, 1941, Gutzon Borglum and 400 workers sculpted the colossal 60-foot (18 m) carvings of U.S. presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln to represent the first 150 years of American history. These presidents were selected by Borglum because of their role in preserving the Republic and expanding its territory.

I would say the the spirit of Mt Rushmore was to comemerate the most important presidents of the first 150 years of the country. I subject that my listing of QB's is in direct relation to the spirit of the intentions of Mt. Rushmore.

[WestPlano006]

Quincy Carter.... it's a no brainer!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

From Wikipedia:



Between October 4, 1927, and October 31, 1941, Gutzon Borglum and 400 workers sculpted the colossal 60-foot (18 m) carvings of U.S. presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln to represent the first 150 years of American history. These presidents were selected by Borglum because of their role in preserving the Republic and expanding its territory.

I would say the the spirit of Mt Rushmore was to comemerate the most important presidents of the first 150 years of the country. I subject that my listing of QB's is in direct relation to the spirit of the intentions of Mt. Rushmore.

Oh, ok.. a bunch of guys who did it first, it is then! :p:D

[JMSFan]

Brett Favre
Brett Favre
Brett Favre
Brett Favre


Signed ,

John Madden

[slorch]

Y.A. Tiddle

Y.A. Tittle?

just checking?

[slorch]

I will never vote for Elway for any list of excellence simply because I resent, as a fan of the game, how he manipulated the system, like a whinny little kid, at the draft. He is as classless as they come and I can't stand his lack of charachter. Same for Manning Light, even if I did cheer for him against the Evil Empire last Super Bowl. It came down to him...or them....I couldn't stand him less than I couldn't stand them...I guess. :eek:

I agree that what John did was bad for the game.

signed,
Eli;)

[SLC93]

Elway sucked. :cool:

Says an AFC West guy that went to how many Bowls during Elway's time in Denver? Kinda what I thought.

[SLC93]

I guess that makes him better than Jim Kelly, Bradshaw and Williams.


Hell..I vote WARREN MOON.:D

Maybe not on the Mount Rushmore but Moon doesn't have to apologize to anyone for his career. Has anyone ever thrown a prettier ball?

[slorch]

Maybe not on the Mount Rushmore but Moon doesn't have to apologize to anyone for his career. Has anyone ever thrown a prettier ball?

the prince in Cinderella?

[SLC93]

the prince in Cinderella?

Maybe the gayest response, ever. Still, it's Slorch, one pass shall be granted. :)





Stupid Smiley's are revolting on me. Had to go "old school" or, as Slorch says, when I was in school.

[K-Rock]

Says an AFC West guy that went to how many Bowls during Elway's time in Denver? Kinda what I thought.

:rolleyes: Whatever. Elway sucked.

[69matador]

Unitas, Staubach, Namath and Layne.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Unitas, Staubach, Namath and Layne.


Joe Namath?? Namath??!!! The guy had a CCP of about 50%. In 7 out of 13 seasons, as a Pro, he completed less than 49% of his passes. He threw 173 tds and 220 Ints. In his only 3 playoff games, he had a CP of 42% w/ 3 tds/4 Ints. :eek: The guy had 2 seasons, in his 13 yrs, that he threw for more tds than ints. :eek: This guy is in the HOF because of his keen fashion sense :D and a bold Super Bowl prediction over the "vaunted" Colts, led by a QB who was probably better than Namath, in Earl Morrall. I wouldn't allow Namath to see the Mt. Rushmore of QB's, let alone be on it.

Then again, according to many.. this Mt. Rushmore of QB's is about the guys who did it first, so he might do it for some. If I were doing a list of the GOAT QB's, of course neither of the 4 QB's would come even close to the Top 10, let alone 4. :p

[WestPlano006]

Quincy Carter

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Fran
Terry
Dan
Brett

[coriv]

I guess that makes him better than Jim Kelly, Bradshaw and Williams.


Hell..I vote WARREN MOON.:D

Even if he hadn't won a Super Bowl, he would still be better than all of them. If he stays on his current pace and stays healthy over the next five years, he could have 450 TD's by then.

[GoOwls]

Oh, ok.. a bunch of guys who did it first, it is then! :p:D

knucklehead.....:D :D :D

[SLC93]

Joe Namath?? Namath??!!! The guy had a CCP of about 50%. In 7 out of 13 seasons, as a Pro, he completed less than 49% of his passes. He threw 173 tds and 220 Ints. In his only 3 playoff games, he had a CP of 42% w/ 3 tds/4 Ints. :eek: The guy had 2 seasons, in his 13 yrs, that he threw for more tds than ints. :eek: This guy is in the HOF because of his keen fashion sense :D and a bold Super Bowl prediction over the "vaunted" Colts, led by a QB who was probably better than Namath, in Earl Morrall. I wouldn't allow Namath to see the Mt. Rushmore of QB's, let alone be on it.

Then again, according to many.. this Mt. Rushmore of QB's is about the guys who did it first, so he might do it for some. If I were doing a list of the GOAT QB's, of course neither of the 4 QB's would come even close to the Top 10, let alone 4. :p

Beat me to. Exactly.

[Mhs06]

The more I watch P. Manning the more I think he's going to go down as the greatest NFL quarterback ever :notworthy

[WestPlano006]

The more I watch P. Manning the more I think he's going to go down as the greatest NFL quarterback ever :notworthy

And possibly the greatest acting QB ever.... he's great in commercials and was hilarious on SNL.

[69matador]

Joe Namath?? Namath??!!! The guy had a CCP of about 50%. In 7 out of 13 seasons, as a Pro, he completed less than 49% of his passes. He threw 173 tds and 220 Ints. In his only 3 playoff games, he had a CP of 42% w/ 3 tds/4 Ints. :eek: The guy had 2 seasons, in his 13 yrs, that he threw for more tds than ints. :eek: This guy is in the HOF because of his keen fashion sense :D and a bold Super Bowl prediction over the "vaunted" Colts, led by a QB who was probably better than Namath, in Earl Morrall. I wouldn't allow Namath to see the Mt. Rushmore of QB's, let alone be on it.

Then again, according to many.. this Mt. Rushmore of QB's is about the guys who did it first, so he might do it for some. If I were doing a list of the GOAT QB's, of course neither of the 4 QB's would come even close to the Top 10, let alone 4. :p

I see you love to criticize those who make selections, yet I don't see you making any selections, afraid of the criticism that might be directed at you and your choices my friend?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Y.A. Tiddle

LMAO! You didn't even spell his name right!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Y.A. Tittle?

just checking?

Oops!

[slorch]

I see you love to criticize those who make selections, yet I don't see you making any selections, afraid of the criticism that might be directed at you and your choices my friend?

Marines might be first to fight, but...

TGO is first to pick. the man never hasitates to share his input on assessing the game and its participants. while I don't always agree with the picks, TGO's infamous lists always provide plenty of fodder for discussion. Heck, sometimes, he is even accurate in his assessments...;):D

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I see you love to criticize those who make selections, yet I don't see you making any selections, afraid of the criticism that might be directed at you and your choices my friend?

Bro, if there is another who is usually the first to announce his selections to the world, please let him present himself (Okay.. outside of WOS87! :D). I actually made a list, on here 2 yrs ago, of my Top 10. Here's an updated count, of which I posted days ago...

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showpost.php?p=749203&postcount=23

Just take the Top 4 of my list and you have my Mt. Rushmore of QB's. My GOAT QB's have 8 NFL MVP's, 9 SB-wins and 6 SB MVP's amongst them. Combined, they have played with a total of less than, perhaps, 6 or 7 HOF'ers or sure HOF'ers. Meaning, they pretty much led their teams as the best asset on their teams, respectively. And, they dominated in a time (1985-present) that was schematically and athletically far more enhanced than any other era. I want the best.. not the first! :D:p

[69matador]

Bro, if there is another who is usually the first to announce his selections to the world, please let him present himself (Okay.. outside of WOS87! :D). I actually made a list, on here 2 yrs ago, of my Top 10. Here's an updated count, of which I posted days ago...

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showpost.php?p=749203&postcount=23

Just take the Top 4 of my list and you have my Mt. Rushmore of QB's. My GOAT QB's have 8 NFL MVP's, 9 SB-wins and 6 SB MVP's amongst them. Combined, they have played with a total of less than, perhaps, 6 or 7 HOF'ers or sure HOF'ers. Meaning, they pretty much led their teams as the best asset on their teams, respectively. And, they dominated in a time (1985-present) that was schematically and athletically far more enhanced than any other era. I want the best.. not the first! :D:p


Forgive me for I wasn't on the board 2 years ago;) but anyway it's all subjective, as the old idiom goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, peace out:cool:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Forgive me for I wasn't on the board 2 years ago;) but anyway it's all subjective, as the old idiom goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, peace out:cool:

It's not all subjective.. but to each his own. Peace out.. too!:cool::D