Dating someone you knew as a child

[jtk1519]

jtk is in a situation that is feeling a little weird. Long story short, one of my brother's best friends is a girl that he grew up with and went to school with since elementary school. I used to know this girl real well as she was always over at our house, but I have not seen her since she was 10. She's now 20 and I ran into her this morning at a wedding. How I've managed to not see her for a decade is beyond me, but needless to say, jtk was blown away. Like, in need of a cold shower blown away. Apparently God does his best structural work in that 10 years (if you know what I mean).

So, jtk turns on the charm (that's right ladies :cool:) and ends up sitting next to her at the wedding. We talk, she flirts, jtk reciprocates and phone numbers are soon exchanged. Nothing big, but we're going out for coffee later and now jtk is sitting and pondering the reality of dating a girl that he knew as a child. This is weirding jtk out a bit. jtk senses pending awkwardness. It would be less awkward scraping peanut butter off Rami's beautiful bald head. Oh, there's also the awkwardness that will come with jtk telling his brother that he is going out with one of his best friends.

BTW, can anybody explain the point behind marriage? This is the second friend I have seen married in as many years and I've yet to figure it out. What is the appeal? Is it a sex thing? Do you just not like having a bed to yourself? Do guys just get tired of peeing all over the toilet lid? jtk doesn't have anything against marriage as an institution, but jtk doesn't understand it's appeal.

[slorch]

my marriage saved my life, but yeah, it's probably overrated...:rolleyes:

Yes, my sarcasmometer is a-working, so I'll take your post as being in jest.

having a relationship, sanctified with vows in the name of our Lord... what's so great about that? i believe with all my heart that very few people ever attain the true blessings that are to be theirs in blessed matrimony. Whether it is power, money, sex, or whatever, they have a so-called marriage, but never focus on what it really is all about. A man and woman having a union(spiritually, physically, and any other way) thast is blessed in the eyes of God and publicly proclaimed in front of your family and friends should be one of the most rewarding institutions in life, along with having kids and playing Texas high school football.

This is only one man's opinion though...

[Dawg Fan]

I am just glad he is interested in girls:p

[hunterbunter]

jtk is in a situation that is feeling a little weird. Long story short, one of my brother's best friends is a girl that he grew up with and went to school with since elementary school. I used to know this girl real well as she was always over at our house, but I have not seen her since she was 10. She's now 20 and I ran into her this morning at a wedding. How I've managed to not see her for a decade is beyond me, but needless to say, jtk was blown away. Like, in need of a cold shower blown away. Apparently God does his best structural work in that 10 years (if you know what I mean).

So, jtk turns on the charm (that's right ladies :cool:) and ends up sitting next to her at the wedding. We talk, she flirts, jtk reciprocates and phone numbers are soon exchanged. Nothing big, but we're going out for coffee later and now jtk is sitting and pondering the reality of dating a girl that he knew as a child. This is weirding jtk out a bit. jtk senses pending awkwardness. It would be less awkward scraping peanut butter off Rami's beautiful bald head. Oh, there's also the awkwardness that will come with jtk telling his brother that he is going out with one of his best friends.

BTW, can anybody explain the point behind marriage? This is the second friend I have seen married in as many years and I've yet to figure it out. What is the appeal? Is it a sex thing? Do you just not like having a bed to yourself? Do guys just get tired of peeing all over the toilet lid? jtk doesn't have anything against marriage as an institution, but jtk doesn't understand it's appeal.

so what...when you were pushin wheels she was pushin pampers??

[jakerz]

jtk is in a situation that is feeling a little weird. Long story short, one of my brother's best friends is a girl that he grew up with and went to school with since elementary school. I used to know this girl real well as she was always over at our house, but I have not seen her since she was 10. She's now 20 and I ran into her this morning at a wedding. How I've managed to not see her for a decade is beyond me, but needless to say, jtk was blown away. Like, in need of a cold shower blown away. Apparently God does his best structural work in that 10 years (if you know what I mean).

So, jtk turns on the charm (that's right ladies :cool:) and ends up sitting next to her at the wedding. We talk, she flirts, jtk reciprocates and phone numbers are soon exchanged. Nothing big, but we're going out for coffee later and now jtk is sitting and pondering the reality of dating a girl that he knew as a child. This is weirding jtk out a bit. jtk senses pending awkwardness. It would be less awkward scraping peanut butter off Rami's beautiful bald head. Oh, there's also the awkwardness that will come with jtk telling his brother that he is going out with one of his best friends.

BTW, can anybody explain the point behind marriage? This is the second friend I have seen married in as many years and I've yet to figure it out. What is the appeal? Is it a sex thing? Do you just not like having a bed to yourself? Do guys just get tired of peeing all over the toilet lid? jtk doesn't have anything against marriage as an institution, but jtk doesn't understand it's appeal.

You're gay, right? :eek:

[dragonsdaddy]

You're gay, right? :eek:

he often plays one on tv.

[jtk1519]

so what...when you were pushin wheels she was pushin pampers??

I'm 25 right now so it's not like the age gap is huge and I was 15 the last time I saw her. It was still a little weird. She's cool though. It wasn't near as awkward as I thought, mainly because she is hot.

FWIW, I also got the phone number of the best man. :cool:

[mad_fan]

I often tell ms mad that if I lost her I'd never marry again...:D

[jtk1519]

my marriage saved my life, but yeah, it's probably overrated...:rolleyes:

Yes, my sarcasmometer is a-working, so I'll take your post as being in jest.

having a relationship, sanctified with vows in the name of our Lord... what's so great about that? i believe with all my heart that very few people ever attain the true blessings that are to be theirs in blessed matrimony. Whether it is power, money, sex, or whatever, they have a so-called marriage, but never focus on what it really is all about. A man and woman having a union(spiritually, physically, and any other way) thast is blessed in the eyes of God and publicly proclaimed in front of your family and friends should be one of the most rewarding institutions in life, along with having kids and playing Texas high school football.

This is only one man's opinion though...

I was not being sarcastic and I didn't intend for it to be taken in jest, but I also wasn't being flippant about it. I honestly don't understand the appeal of marriage. Is your relationship better because you said some vows in front of friends and family? Are you spiritually closer to someone after exchanging vows in front of a God? I honestly don't get it which is probably why I don't want it.

[Kboda]

I met Jboda in Jr. High. We spent 4 years in school together and then I moved to the school on the other side of the tracks to finish the last 3 of high school. We had many of the same friends but ended up not seeing each other at functions (or seeing through each other since he was an usher at a wedding and I was in the house party and neither of us remembers the other at that function and were only persuaded it was true when we saw pictures). We had our first date when we were 25. Jboda is much like jtk as he asked "I don't mean to be rude but when did you get those" pointing at my boobs and I had to explain to him that I had them for all but the first year we'd know each other, he just hadn't noticed!
Long story short (too late!), we moved in after dating for 4 months, married 2 years after that and are now on year 20 together.
Why marriage? Because we didn't like just living together. You can walk out anytime on one of those relationships. Marriage at least makes you think of the legal and financial hassle that comes with divorce if you think of leaving. Being with one person for a long time makes you more committed in the bedroom because you try not to get in a rut.

[jtk1519]

jtk did not ask her about her breasts, but rest assured, jtk was aware of their presence. :cool: jtk feels weird about that. :confused:

[slorch]

I was not being sarcastic and I didn't intend for it to be taken in jest, but I also wasn't being flippant about it. I honestly don't understand the appeal of marriage. Is your relationship better because you said some vows in front of friends and family? Are you spiritually closer to someone after exchanging vows in front of a God? I honestly don't get it which is probably why I don't want it.

This is something that i am very passionate about, and I wish more people understand and gain the blessings of a wedding born in God's love.

To answer your question, no, the ceremonies don't make it more likely that your marriage will succeed. IMO, if the sincerity is there, the public exchange of vows creates a positive pressure to maintain those vows. does your word mean anything, or not? If you think your marriage will just be the product of you and your spouse, then you will have a tougher row to hoe in having a successful marriage. It helps tremendously if you can get along with her family, and vice-versa. This is not an absolute for success, mind you, but it is a ttremendous tool in having a happy marriage.

Your next question asks about "a God," but you capitalized God, so I will assume you mean our God in Heaven as we Christians believe in. Does simply saying the words do anything to increase the odds of success? No way. It is my most foundational belief that a marriage built on seeking the ways of the Lord will not fail. My buddies would always tease me for dropping chicks like a hot potato once I figured out I would never marry them. I dropped one girl because she not only had an abortion( not mine,) but hid it from her parents. if she'll hide that from them, then what should i expect coming my way?

That is not to say when Mrs Slorch,19, and I, 22, were married that we knew how to work our marriage like God has designed. I did marry her because I knew she loved God. she knew our home would be founded in the ways of the Lord as well. A young marriage, just like being a new parent, has participants that are immersed in O.J.T.( On the Job Training.) It is a matter of faith and doing what God puts on your heart in being the husband your wife needs you to be, and the one that God wants you to be. Seek God and the Truth will be revealed.

If you think I have been the perfect husband, you'd be dead wrong, and I would be the first to admit my shortcomings. A common fallacy is that a Christian marriage is somehow perfect and never struggles. It is because of the foundation of Christian beliefs that we find forgiveness for each other and keep seeking the blessings that are to be ours through Christ. Don't think the worst, as neither one of has ever cheated on each other, I'm talking about stuff like spending too much time with my buddies as a young husband when i should have been with my wife and our young son. I'm talking about stupid stuff like gambling with money that i shouldn't have used.

We are not perfect, as we were even expecting our first son when we got married. Some in our families truly doubted our chances for success. We have been through the gamut of financial troubles with our sons' medical issues, which i have shared on here before. Bottom line is, neither one of us will ever quit on the other one.

Because we haven't quit, I now get to wake up next to my best friend every morning. I have a wife that loves me for being the Christian, husband, and father that i am. i am blessed every day with knowing the woman I share my life with will spend eternity in Heaven with me and chooses to live a life serving God. 15 years later, i still think about being in her arms and sharing our physical relationship. i live for the long talks we have into the wee hours of the mornings.

It is almost impossible to quantify what it means, I will just say that I have never been to a shrink, i don't take happy pills, and i don't ever dread walking in the front door at our house. It is my favorite place on Earth. She is my favorite person on Earth. We could just be really lucky, or we could also have put our emotional, as well as physical, investments in the right accounts. I just believe with all my heart that marriage is truly a gift from God, that should give the blessings that my wife and I have shared.

Society says we're corny and not sexy enough. We can live with that. It sure is a beautiful experience when it's done right.

[SLC93]

Are we sure this girl is in fact 20? I got Chris Hansen with Dateline on the phone jonesing for scoop!;):D

[SLC93]

Seriously, though, go for it. It's part of growing up. My fiancee is 6 years younger than I am. The only issue is if you think of this young lady as a ten year old while horizontal. In that case, run to the nearest shower, scrub down with peroxide & seek help.

[slorch]

after viewing your self portrait on the other thread, I hope for her sake that she's blind, as well as young.

[jtk1519]

after viewing your self portrait on the other thread, I hope for her sake that she's blind, as well as young.

She found it sexy. I'm obviously dealing with a sick young woman.

[jtk1519]

Seriously, though, go for. It's part of growing up. My fiancee is 6 years youner than I am. The only issue is if you think of this young lady as a ten year old while horizontal. In that case, run to the nearest shower, scrub down with peroxide & seek help.

jtk isn't going for anything. jtk isn't even aiming for her bed chamber. At this point, jtk is looking for nothing more than an enjoyable person to spend some time with.

[hunterbunter]

jtk isn't going for anything. jtk isn't even aiming for her bed chamber. At this point, jtk is looking for nothing more than an enjoyable person to spend some time with.

confirmed: he's gay

[HUM398]

confirmed: he's gay

No, she is a dog.

[jtk1519]

confirmed: he's gay

Only for you.

[jakerz]

jtk isn't going for anything. jtk isn't even aiming for her bed chamber. At this point, jtk is looking for nothing more than an enjoyable person to spend some time with.

Confirmed.

[jtk1519]

You all are perverts. It's a sad, sad day when slorch is the voice of reason.

[SLC93]

jtk isn't going for anything. jtk isn't even aiming for her bed chamber. At this point, jtk is looking for nothing more than an enjoyable person to spend some time with.

In other news, local interweb celeb, jtk, is again battling sexuality rumors. The gossip appears to have been stoked by revelations that he has no interest in a smoking hot, 20 year old with a rack that speaks to men. Some say that an addiction to viagra and old lady porn has forever ruined this once promising prospect. Word out of Washington is that congress may subpoena jtk as his placement in the HOF is now under scrutiny. Sources tell us that all of this could have been avoided if jtk has only used the pair God had given him and engaged in the pursuit of said hottie.

[HUM398]

You all are perverts. It's a sad, sad day when slorch is the voice of reason.

Look, your being a little girl again.

She is a women...if you feel awkward about someone you havent seen in 10 years...then perhaps Hunter is right.

You were what, 14 years old the last time you saw her....I can't even remember who my friends were when i was 14....let alone the 10 year old girl that used to come over to my house to play with my brother.

[HUM398]

Why do i open threads that JTK starts, with an obvious emotional struggle centered at the core?

[jakerz]

Look, your being a little girl again.

She is a women...if you feel awkward about someone you havent seen in 10 years...then perhaps Hunter is right.

You were what, 14 years old the last time you saw her....I can't even remember who my friends were when i was 14....let alone the 10 year old girl that used to come over to my house to play with my brother.

I'm not sure about what type of lifestyle other people live, nor do I care, but I would never go after another woman who used to "play with my brother". That's just me though :(

[slorch]

Look, your being a little girl again.

She is a women...if you feel awkward about someone you havent seen in 10 years...then perhaps Hunter is right.

You were what, 14 years old the last time you saw her....I can't even remember who my friends were when i was 14....let alone the 10 year old girl that used to come over to my house to play with my brother.

you're

woman

Friends don't let their friends post like farmer, until they have a nice buzz going...:notworthy

[jtk1519]

but I would never go after another woman who used to "play with my brother". That's just me though :(

See, that's what I'm talking about. There's a strangeness to it. Until today, my last memory of this girl was as a 10 year old. I wasn't there to see the growing up part so there is a transition that needs to occur. Until then, it feels to weird to get too sexual right now. jtk doesn't apologize for his rather conservative approach here.

[slorch]

See, that's what I'm talking about. There's a strangeness to it. Until today, my last memory of this girl was as a 10 year old. I wasn't there to see the growing up part so there is a transition that needs to occur. Until then, it feels to weird to get too sexual right now. jtk doesn't apologize for his rather conservative approach here.

It's not conservatism. 'tis fear.;):D

[SLC93]

you're

woman

Friends don't let their friends post like farmer, until they have a nice buzz going...:notworthy

So true.:D

[rocketgrl94]

ya'll are both adults whats the big deal
this girl might be THE ONE!! She came back into your life for some reason

[jtk1519]

It's not conservatism. 'tis fear.;):D

That too. jtk doesn't yet know how she's going to react to his peanut butter fetish.

[jtk1519]

ya'll are both adults whats the big deal
this girl might be THE ONE!! She came back into your life for some reason

Settle down. I'm not saying I don't like the girl or wont pursue her in some way. I'm just saying there needs to be a little "catch up" time before jtk shows off his thong collection.

[rocketgrl94]

Settle down. I'm not saying I don't like the girl or wont pursue her in some way. I'm just saying there needs to be a little "catch up" time before jtk shows off his thong collection.

i do like the get to know you approach first not the i have 2 get into your panties now attitude but save the sex until ya'll get married:D;)

[HUM398]

you're

woman

Friends don't let their friends post like farmer, until they have a nice buzz going...:notworthy

Its saturday bub. Ive been pasted Buzz since 10 am this morning.

[Firebird]

I was not being sarcastic and I didn't intend for it to be taken in jest, but I also wasn't being flippant about it. I honestly don't understand the appeal of marriage. Is your relationship better because you said some vows in front of friends and family? Are you spiritually closer to someone after exchanging vows in front of a God? I honestly don't get it which is probably why I don't want it.


Simple question, really. If you believe in ONE-- as in, God, Yahweh, Allah-- the issue is pretty much non-negotiable. That's pretty constant across the monotheisims. The choice is celibacy or marriage, unless you have decided on some kind of bizarre interpretation of what are fairly clearly defined rules.

If you believe in many, or none, or one "universal spirit", then do whatever you feel like. Just don't be too surprised when things go off track.

[Dawg Fan]

In other news, local interweb celeb, jtk, is again battling sexuality rumors. The gossip appears to have been stoked by revelations that he has no interest in a smoking hot, 20 year old with a rack that speaks to men. Some say that an addiction to viagra and old lady porn has forever ruined this once promising prospect. Word out of Washington is that congress may subpoena jtk as his placement in the HOF is now under scrutiny. Sources tell us that all of this could have been avoided if jtk has only used the pair God had given him and engaged in the pursuit of said hottie.

:notworthy:notworthy:D

[hunterbunter]

Settle down. I'm not saying I don't like the girl or wont pursue her in some way. I'm just saying there needs to be a little "catch up" time before jtk shows off his thong collection.

you haven't seen her for a decade, how do you not know shes a wild child, if shes as hot as you say she is, if you don't take her home from that wedding night, somebody else with huevones will

[jtk1519]

Simple question, really. If you believe in ONE-- as in, God, Yahweh, Allah-- the issue is pretty much non-negotiable. That's pretty constant across the monotheisims. The choice is celibacy or marriage, unless you have decided on some kind of bizarre interpretation of what are fairly clearly defined rules.

If you believe in many, or none, or one "universal spirit", then do whatever you feel like. Just don't be too surprised when things go off track.

You read too much into things. It was a typo. I originally typed "a priest", but changed "priest" to "God" and forgot to remove the "a".

[SLC93]

:notworthy:notworthy:D

I try.:D

[jtk1519]

you haven't seen her for a decade, how do you not know shes a wild child, if shes as hot as you say she is, if you don't take her home from that wedding night, somebody else with huevones will

She's good friends with my brother so I know enough about her. I also know her Dad. I just haven't seen her in 10 years. It was the physical maturation that threw me off.

[jtk1519]

This is something that i am very passionate about, and I wish more people understand and gain the blessings of a wedding born in God's love.

To answer your question, no, the ceremonies don't make it more likely that your marriage will succeed. IMO, if the sincerity is there, the public exchange of vows creates a positive pressure to maintain those vows. does your word mean anything, or not? If you think your marriage will just be the product of you and your spouse, then you will have a tougher row to hoe in having a successful marriage. It helps tremendously if you can get along with her family, and vice-versa. This is not an absolute for success, mind you, but it is a ttremendous tool in having a happy marriage.

Your next question asks about "a God," but you capitalized God, so I will assume you mean our God in Heaven as we Christians believe in. Does simply saying the words do anything to increase the odds of success? No way. It is my most foundational belief that a marriage built on seeking the ways of the Lord will not fail. My buddies would always tease me for dropping chicks like a hot potato once I figured out I would never marry them. I dropped one girl because she not only had an abortion( not mine,) but hid it from her parents. if she'll hide that from them, then what should i expect coming my way?

That is not to say when Mrs Slorch,19, and I, 22, were married that we knew how to work our marriage like God has designed. I did marry her because I knew she loved God. she knew our home would be founded in the ways of the Lord as well. A young marriage, just like being a new parent, has participants that are immersed in O.J.T.( On the Job Training.) It is a matter of faith and doing what God puts on your heart in being the husband your wife needs you to be, and the one that God wants you to be. Seek God and the Truth will be revealed.

If you think I have been the perfect husband, you'd be dead wrong, and I would be the first to admit my shortcomings. A common fallacy is that a Christian marriage is somehow perfect and never struggles. It is because of the foundation of Christian beliefs that we find forgiveness for each other and keep seeking the blessings that are to be ours through Christ. Don't think the worst, as neither one of has ever cheated on each other, I'm talking about stuff like spending too much time with my buddies as a young husband when i should have been with my wife and our young son. I'm talking about stupid stuff like gambling with money that i shouldn't have used.

We are not perfect, as we were even expecting our first son when we got married. Some in our families truly doubted our chances for success. We have been through the gamut of financial troubles with our sons' medical issues, which i have shared on here before. Bottom line is, neither one of us will ever quit on the other one.

Because we haven't quit, I now get to wake up next to my best friend every morning. I have a wife that loves me for being the Christian, husband, and father that i am. i am blessed every day with knowing the woman I share my life with will spend eternity in Heaven with me and chooses to live a life serving God. 15 years later, i still think about being in her arms and sharing our physical relationship. i live for the long talks we have into the wee hours of the mornings.

It is almost impossible to quantify what it means, I will just say that I have never been to a shrink, i don't take happy pills, and i don't ever dread walking in the front door at our house. It is my favorite place on Earth. She is my favorite person on Earth. We could just be really lucky, or we could also have put our emotional, as well as physical, investments in the right accounts. I just believe with all my heart that marriage is truly a gift from God, that should give the blessings that my wife and I have shared.

Society says we're corny and not sexy enough. We can live with that. It sure is a beautiful experience when it's done right.

I do appreciate this response BTW. I will admit that I don't fully understand it, but perhaps one day will.

[Firebird]

You read too much into things. It was a typo. I originally typed "a priest", but changed "priest" to "God" and forgot to remove the "a".

Maybe so, but it strikes me as bizarre that you would ask this question. You get married because it is not in anyone's interest-- your's, women's, future children, or society's-- for people to simply do what they want when they want with who they want. A lot of people think that's a fuddy-duddy attitude, but I encourage them to look at where things are heading since alternatives have become commonplace.

Marriage works, when you do it right.

[jtk1519]

Maybe so, but it strikes me as bizarre that you would ask this question. You get married because it is not in anyone's interest-- your's, women's, future children, or society's-- for people to simply do what they want when they want with who they want. A lot of people think that's a fuddy-duddy attitude, but I encourage them to look at where things are heading since alternatives have become commonplace.

Marriage works, when you do it right.

Again, you missed the point. I'm not condoning participating in all that marriage allows (you know what I mean) outside of marriage. I'm simply asking that what outside of sex (for those who do not believe in premarital sex) is the appeal of marriage. It seems to me that the foundation of marriage has to be more than doing the wild monkey dance and making babies. If my assumption is correct, then upon what else is marriage based? What goals or desires (again, outside of sex) are achievable only through marriage? I've heard some say commitment and that it forces you to stay more committed to another, but I don't need a paper from the Justice of the Peace and a ring to commit myself to a person.

[HUM398]

Again, you missed the point. I'm not condoning participating in all that marriage allows (you know what I mean) outside of marriage. I'm simply asking that what outside of sex (for those who do not believe in premarital sex) is the appeal of marriage. It seems to me that the foundation of marriage has to be more than doing the wild monkey dance and making babies. If my assumption is correct, then upon what else is marriage based? What goals or desires (again, outside of sex) are achievable only through marriage? I've heard some say commitment and that it forces you to stay more committed to another, but I don't need a paper from the Justice of the Peace and a ring to commit myself to a person.

Further glorification of God.

If i have to explain, then you haven't found her yet. (assuming you're Christian.)

[jtk1519]

Further glorification of God.

If i have to explain, then you haven't found her yet. (assuming you're Christian.)

What about the institution glorifies God? Do those who never get married fail to glorify God? Priests and Nuns who have taken a vow of celibacy, do they fail to glorify God? I'm honestly not trying to be a pain in the :Censor: here and I'm not trying to challenge the institution of marriage or imply that it is antiquated or useless. I just don't know what it achieves that is not achievable outside of marriage and therefore, what it's appeal is. If you are a practicing Christian, what outside of sex separates the relationship of a married couple from a devoted non-married couple?

[slorch]

What about the institution glorifies God? Do those who never get married fail to glorify God? Priests and Nuns who have taken a vow of celibacy, do they fail to glorify God? I'm honestly not trying to be a pain in the :Censor: here and I'm not trying to challenge the institution of marriage or imply that it is antiquated or useless. I just don't know what it achieves that is not achievable outside of marriage and therefore, what it's appeal is. If you are a practicing Christian, what outside of sex separates the relationship of a married couple from a devoted non-married couple?

you're not being a PIA, because you're asking sincere questions. How are you to know if you don't ask? i don't have an issue with your asking, and I don't think the other guys do either.

The vows of celibacy from priests and nuns, are part of their service to God, and yes it is done as a form of commitment not only of their bodies, but their minds to God's work. That is, they choose a life of total service to God.

Those vows are as much a function of the old church as anything else. Let's not confuse "religion" with God's word. I'm a protestant, so obviously, we don't hold our clergy to the same view on celibacy. in fact I would say throughout my life, the preachers i have personally had at my churches have in general, been outstanding examples of fathers and husbands. i don't remember ever having a non-married preacher, except for younger youth pastors that are generally going to seminary or right out of seminary.

Now the first thing someone is going to throw out there is a guy like jerry falwell and say look at what this guy did. i will just revert back to my earlier post. being a Christian doen't mean your perfect. it also doesn't mean that guy was the perfect example for us.

To your bigger question, i believe you are looking at it as a zero sum game. Do you have to get married to glorify God, no. Do you have to be able to kick a 55 yard FG to be called a football player? There are many ways to glorify God, it is not your obligation to fulfill all of them. It is your obligation to seek Him in what you do in life.

What outside of sex seperates the married and non-married couples? i think you understimate what vows mean, as well as a public proclamation of serving God together. I guess I am struggling with describing how happy we are in our lives. i know it is no accident. can you believe what a blessing it is, when your kids look at you and know you love God and love them in the same way? Can you imagine our society having ANY of the issues we have today if every home was that way? do you know what it means to my wife to know our kids have an example of a man that loves God in our own home? How impactful will our example of marriage be on our kids in the future? Yet people continue to cheat themselves out of what could be theirs, because they think marriage is just a license to live together and have sex.

i don't want to come across as holier than thow, and no, we don't go to church 8 days a week. Loving the Lord is an all the time thing, as Vince lombardi would have said. We have other passions in our life, such as football and my job for me. My wife loves working in children's ministry and loving on those babies and kids that are left in their care during the week and on Sundays. My wife loves shopping and NASCAR( insert one-liner here.) We are not 100% GOD, God, God all of the time. but we can still glorify God in doing those other things. My guys at work know that I am a devout Christian, but that i don't judge them for not being one. i have had many an employee that has sought my testimony because I just share what has been my life. They know i have been through a lot, yet still love God. i share my love of God with them, at their request. i don't force stuff on them. I think most people respect that.

When we moved to Lake Charles from Amarillo, i met one of my fellow managers and we get in the pick-up to go eat. i crank the car and i have Metallica Black blasting away. The other guy starts laughing and says, " ( our boss) told me you were a Christian and to be careful." I simply smiled back and told him, " If I had Amazing Grace playing, would I be able to reach a devil worshipper like you?" To this day we are very close friends. We talk about family and God and that stuff all of the time. i know he is a believer too, but he had this uptight image of me before he met me. What would be my chances of communicating well with him if I crammed "religion" into every conversation? About as good as Mark May convincing you that he loves Texas.

Living a life in the ways of God is not the tribulation that the old church loved to make it out to be, in fact, it is the opposite. i cannot imagine living my life and making it with my sanity without my belief in God. Your marriage is supposed to be the best thing you ever have on earth, but look at the ways people corrpt it and pervert it. Has it been cheapened to little more than a sheet of paper with a JP's signature on it? You hear God referred to as the "Rock" all of the time. It is that foundation that keeps you from ever being taken out by the struggles you will face in life. It is that strength in knowing He will never fail, that makes a marriage focused on HIM significantly different than just being able to have guiltless sex.

[jtk1519]

I've watched most of my childhood and high school friends get married in recent years. My parents were married at 18 and when they were the age I am now, they already had two kids and I was about to start school. It boggles my mind. I can't even fathom being married. Don't get me wrong... I'm not the stereotypical horny bachelor who likes to keep his options open. I'm actually quite the opposite as I would rather be alone than be in a brief and superficial relationship. I, like pretty much everybody else, have all the desires of the typical male and I enjoy companionship as much as anybody. I've been with some women that I loved dearly and still do and with whom I shared a very intense relationship. I've just never had the desire to marry any of them (which may be why they are all ex-girlfriends). I think I'm weird.

[slorch]

I've watched most of my childhood and high school friends get married in recent years. My parents were married at 18 and when they were the age I am now, they already had two kids and I was about to start school. It boggles my mind. I can't even fathom being married. Don't get me wrong... I'm not the stereotypical horny bachelor who likes to keep his options open. I'm actually quite the opposite as I would rather be alone than be in a brief and superficial relationship. I, like pretty much everybody else, have all the desires of the typical male and I enjoy companionship as much as anybody. I've been with some women that I loved dearly and still do and with whom I shared a very intense relationship. I've just never had the desire to marry any of them (which may be why they are all ex-girlfriends). I think I'm weird.

That's not wierd. i have a brother that is 45 and never been married. He's always dating women, but he's also looking for a 40 year old virgin to marry, too. We tease him that he's looking for Mary, the mother of God, because he has had some awesome girlfriends, yet he always tells himself that there's something wrong with them...:rolleyes:

I didn't find my wife, until I quit looking. then cupid hit me over the head with a boat paddle. he didn't screw around with any little arrows...

You never know when that woman that is worth being committed to will come along. i don't see anything wrong with waiting, even if I didn't.

[jakerz]

Just don't be too surprised when things go off track.

That's an extremely idiotic statement. Hypocrisy at its best.

[mad_fan]

I do appreciate this response BTW. I will admit that I don't fully understand it, but perhaps one day will.

This is how it gets started...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Mnj1cSESg

Remember...it's a two way street...the girl gets married TOO...:eek:
If you are always willing to let go of everything prematurely...than you don't have to take a chance on marriage...she'll just move along without you...

[dragonsdaddy]

life is the ultimate contact sport, and like any such endeavor, a strong team is stronger than the sum of its parts. people are dependent on others, and when you are consecrated in marriage, you desecrate your individual weaknesses and rebuild a shrine to a stronger, more stable union than can be made alone. a bipod is significantly more stable as a shooting platform than a monood, and by also bringing a healthy and genuine relationship with
god, it becomes a tripod, which can stand alone in many more situations. you know many who were relegated, for one reason or another to having pets, rather than a loving a supportive spouse. i hope 10-15 years from now, jtk isn't a cat fancier that we have to read about in the fishwraps because the smell led to his eviction.

[GoOwls]

jtk......GoOwls openly recommends that you pair with somone you know well, as opposed to a stranger you really know nothing about.

GoOwls was married to two women, one at a time, that he knew only from social meetings....I knew not much about them.....I found out later that the lack of knowlege of their past and their upbringing and their integrity was something that would bite me most severely.

My current squeeze, of almost 14 years now, is someone I worked with in my early 20's for almost 5 years. We were buddies....just friends....but there was much mutual respect built up between us.

I went to work for the P.O. and time passes.......11 years....and I don't see here one time in that period.

After divorce #2, I made a personal pact......no serious women attachments....unless it was my current squeeze...who I guess I had kept in my heart for all those years.

As luck would have it, a mutual friend told me of her divorce....we called...we buddied up again...over time the romance bloomed. I can't think of life without her now.

WE ARE FRIENDS FIRST....PERIOD.....

The other stuff takes care of itself...if you know waht I mean.

I feel that friendship and knowing how a person is away from home is a much better barometer of how good a partner they will make as opposed to partnering with someone who you met out of nowhere and got all worked up over one night.

Sexual attraction alone can blind you to the faults inherant in a person.

Good luck.

[rocketgrl94]

Is there another date in the making already jtk?

[jtk1519]

Is there another date in the making already jtk?

Are you hitting on me?

[rocketgrl94]

Are you hitting on me?

No sorry to flatter you but im married, happily married:D

[jtk1519]

No sorry to flatter you but im married, happily married:D

I was holding out hope. I'm getting tired of farmerfan sending me love notes.

[rocketgrl94]

I was holding out hope. I'm getting tired of farmerfan sending me love notes.

damn farmerfan leave this man alone hes tired of the nonsense:D
and stop playin' footsies under the table you guys!

[AE 8008]

damn farmerfan leave this man alone hes tired of the nonsense:D
and stop playin' footsies under the table you guys!

gross

[jtk1519]

gross

Not that bad. He has nice feet.

[rocketgrl94]

Not that bad. He has nice feet.

a foot fetish too?:eek:

[AE 8008]

Not that bad. He has nice feet.

oh, ok

[slorch]

Not that bad. He has nice feet.

he has to take care of his feet. He seldom can drive.

That's the rumor, anyway.;):D

[jtk1519]

a foot fetish too?:eek:

feet + peanut butter = jtk Heaven

[rocketgrl94]

feet + peanut butter = jtk Heaven

thats just plain nasty:puke

[jtk1519]

thats just plain nasty:puke

And you call your marriage happy.

[rocketgrl94]

And you call your marriage happy.

hey i aint messin' with nobodys feet:puke

[slorch]

feet + peanut butter = jtk Heaven

get a dog involved, and you're off the charts...:D

[jtk1519]

get a dog involved, and you're off the charts...:D

Ever seen Road Trip? Peanut butter + male genitals + dog = :D.

[jtk1519]

get a dog involved, and you're off the charts...:D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TpaENcHSC00&feature=related

Watch the whole thing for laughs, or go to about the 9:05 mark for :D.