Thug it up! Mavs need Artest.

[SLC93]

Dallas is in good shape now. The hot deal that the media won't let go of is the Kidd deal. This one is tough for me because I love Kidd. As far as I'm concerned he's the best pg of this generation and ranks very close to Magic in terms of running a team and making an impact. I still curse the day he was traded. Me & my little sis used to go out to Reunion just to watch him. All that said, that is not the deal to make, especially at the price the Nets want. The cost is tooooo high. The time to acquire Kidd was the day after Nash left several years ago. Had that happened, Dallas would have at least one banner, probably two. The deal they should explore is gonna make some of y'all think I've lost my mind. Our Dallas Mavericks need to go out and get Ron Artest and the reasons are many. First, he can be acquired for very little. To put this in perspective for you, you could trade Stack for Artest and the numbers would match. Now, I'm not suggesting the Kings would do that I only wanted to illustrate how low Artest's financial figure is. It's coneivable the Kings would do this deal for an expiring contract(Diop) or the KVH contract. Artest is 28 so he has alot of tread left on those tires. He brings the attitude we sometimes lack. He's a lock down defender and either the 2 or 3. He's a ferocious defender and has the mid range offensive game to thrive on a team full of perimeter players. Most importantly he improves us at two positions. Acquiring Artest gives us a true small forward and allows Josh Howard to be our starting 2 guard. No more spare parts playing the two. No more Ager, Jones, Hassell & Stackhouse rotations. You put an all star at the 3 and you move Howard to where he needs to be. A starting lineup of Harris/Howard/Artest/Dirk/Dampier wins the NBA title this year and competes for several more after that. Harris=24, Howard=27, Artest=28 and Dirk=29 and that is a prime lineup. Unlike Kidd or O'Neal you're not taking on unGodly money for an old player. Artest can be had without giving up one of our big 3, like Gasol to the Lakers. That's a fact and it needs to happen.

[TXFOOSBALL]

Dallas is in good shape now. The hot deal that the media won't let go of is the Kidd deal. This one is tough for me because I love Kidd. As far as I'm concerned he's the best pg of this generation and ranks very close to Magic in terms of running a team and making an impact. I still curse the day he was traded. Me & my little sis used to go out to Reunion just to watch him. All that said, that is not the deal to make, especially at the price the Nets want. The cost is tooooo high. The time to acquire Kidd was the day after Nash left several years ago. Had that happened, Dallas would have at least one banner, probably two. The deal they should explore is gonna make some of y'all think I've lost my mind. Our Dallas Mavericks need to go out and get Ron Artest and the reasons are many. First, he can be acquired for very little. To put this in perspective for you, you could trade Stack for Artest and the numbers would match. Now, I'm not suggesting the Kings would do that I only wanted to illustrate how low Artest's financial figure is. It's coneivable the Kings would do this deal for an expiring contract(Diop) or the KVH contract. Artest is 28 so he has alot of tread left on those tires. He brings the attitude we sometimes lack. He's a lock down defender and either the 2 or 3. He's a ferocious defender and has the mid range offensive game to thrive on a team full of perimeter players. Most importantly he improves us at two positions. Acquiring Artest gives us a true small forward and allows Josh Howard to be our starting 2 guard. No more spare parts playing the two. No more Ager, Jones, Hassell & Stackhouse rotations. You put an all star at the 3 and you move Howard to where he needs to be. A starting lineup of Harris/Howard/Artest/Dirk/Dampier wins the NBA title this year and competes for several more after that. Harris=24, Howard=27, Artest=28 and Dirk=29 and that is a prime lineup. Unlike Kidd or O'Neal you're not taking on unGodly money for an old player. Artest can be had without giving up one of our big 3, like Gasol to the Lakers. That's a fact and it needs to happen.

You mean the 3 "J's" I remember those days.

I think you will like this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=KTE6tOJrjlA

[SLC93]

You mean the 3 "J's" I remember those days.

I think you will like this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=KTE6tOJrjlA

I taught her well. She started at pg for 2 years at Carroll. Man, she was head over heels in love with Kidd. It was easy to get cheap tickets from the scalpers back then. We'd get there around game time, walk up to some dude and were inside sitting in decent seats for 20 bucks. Talk about what could have been. If we'd have had a real coach and a real gm, if Jim Jack never blows that ankle in Jersey, if him and Kidd weren't houndin the same ladies ect..ect.. To this day I'll never understand what motivated us to trade the most talented of that bunch. There's a beef/friction and Jackson stays? That group had special potential, though.

[TXFOOSBALL]

I taught her well. She started at pg for 2 years at Carroll. Man, she was head over heels in love with Kidd. It was easy to get cheap tickets from the scalpers back then. We'd get there around game time, walk up to some dude and were inside sitting in decent seats for 20 bucks. Talk about what could have been. If we'd have had a real coach and a real gm, if Jim Jack never blows that ankle in Jersey, if him and Kidd weren't houndin the same ladies ect..ect.. To this day I'll never understand what motivated us to trade the most talented of that bunch. There's a beef/friction and Jackson stays? That group had special potential, though.


They were exciting to watch...they are my first memories as a Mavs fan. What year did your sis grad?

[SLC93]

They were exciting to watch...they are my first memories as a Mavs fan. What year did your sis grad?

Class of 97. I go back to the late 80's Mavs. Talk about an organization screwing things up. Think about the talent on those teams for a moment. Derek Harper, Rolando Blackman, Mark Aguire, Sam Perkins, James Donaldson, Roy Tarpley, Detlef Schrempf and Brad Davis. Those Mavs were freakin loaded. They'd run the table in today's NBA. Within a matter of 2-3 years the NBA's model franchise had pissed away everyone of those assets for one reason or another and were doomed for the next decade.

[lonny23]

Class of 97. I go back to the late 80's Mavs. Talk about an organization screwing things up. Think about the talent on those teams for a moment. Derek Harper, Rolando Blackman, Mark Aguire, Sam Perkins, James Donaldson, Roy Tarpley, Detlef Schrempf and Brad Davis. Those Mavs were freakin loaded. They'd run the table in today's NBA. Within a matter of 2-3 years the NBA's model franchise had pissed away everyone of those assets for one reason or another and were doomed for the next decade.
I bought an Old School Mavs Bobblehead set at the AAC a few months back. I have it in my office:

Donaldson
Blackman
Harper
Aguirre
Davis

[slorch]

Maybe if Kidd comes back, Jackson and Mashburn will rekindle their smoldering careers...:D

[SLC93]

I bought an Old School Mavs Bobblehead set at the AAC a few months back. I have it in my office:

Donaldson
Blackman
Harper
Aguirre
Davis

I think people forget just how good those teams were. They had the terrible luck of being in the west in the 80's battling the Lakers. Still, they were broke up far too early. It was tough watching so many of those guys play in finals, make all star teams and win awards with outher squads.

[slorch]

I think people forget just how good those teams were. They had the terrible luck of being in the west in the 80's battling the Lakers. Still, they were broke up far too early. It was tough watching so many of those guys play in finals, make all star teams and win awards with outher squads.

This is a monumental "if" but I still wonder what "if" Roy Tarpley never tried crack. That guy was phenomenal on the court.

[lonny23]

I think people forget just how good those teams were. They had the terrible luck of being in the west in the 80's battling the Lakers. Still, they were broke up far too early. It was tough watching so many of those guys play in finals, make all star teams and win awards with outher squads.
1. Aguirre was a cancer and only played hard half the time. He had to go.

2. The future went up in smoke (Among other things) with Tarpley.

3. Perkins left for a little more money, but mostly playing time.

4. Sonju and Sund just started drafting horribly with guys like Randy White and Donald Hodge.

5. People forget how good LA and Boston were in the 80's just like they forget how hard it's been to win titles this decade, although Dallas was robbed of one title.

[lonny23]

This is a monumental "if" but I still wonder what "if" Roy Tarpley never tried crack. That guy was phenomenal on the court.
Tarpley was developing into a legit 20 points and 20 rebounds guy each night. Karl Malone never would've been Karl Malone if Tarp had stayed clean.

Even Rodman couldn't board nightly like Tarpley and never was close on scoring either.

[SLC93]

1. Aguirre was a cancer and only played hard half the time. He had to go.

2. The future went up in smoke (Among other things) with Tarpley.

3. Perkins left for a little more money, but mostly playing time.

4. Sonju and Sund just started drafting horribly with guys like Randy White and Donald Hodge.

5. People forget how good LA and Boston were in the 80's just like they forget how hard it's been to win titles this decade, although Dallas was robbed of one title.

Hard to argue any of that but an aging Dantley is all we got for Aguire. That was a joke. The worst part about Tarpley wasn't even his drug abuse, to be honest. It was the way Dallas held onto the delusion that he could get straight, refusing to move on for years. The Perkins decision was killing me as he was draining three's 30 years later. Never understood the moves with him and Detlef. Those two alone would have gone along way to carrying us into & through the 90's. The front office definitely lost their mojo. If we had held onto Sam & Detlef, all those blunders would have been ok if they had just picked Tim Hardaway. Too many people remember him for his off color remarks and slow days in Miami and that's unfortunate. That dude was a terror at the point andwe sure needed one. Boston, LA, Philadelphia, Dallas, Detroit ect.. in the 80's would slap this league around today, period. The talent,coaching and basketball iq's were of such a nature that the kids of today would get embarrassed.

[lonny23]

Hard to argue any of that but an aging Dantley is all we got for Aguire. That was a joke. The worst part about Tarpley wasn't even his drug abuse, to be honest. It was the way Dallas held onto the delusion that he could get straight, refusing to move on for years. The Perkins decision was killing me as he was draining three's 30 years later. Never understood the moves with him and Detlef. Those two alone would have gone along way to carrying us into & through the 90's. The front office definitely lost their mojo. If we had held onto Sam & Detlef, all those blunders would have been ok if they had just picked Tim Hardaway. Too many people remember him for his off color remarks and slow days in Miami and that's unfortunate. That dude was a terror at the point andwe sure needed one. Boston, LA, Philadelphia, Dallas, Detroit ect.. in the 80's would slap this league around today, period. The talent,coaching and basketball iq's were of such a nature that the kids of today would get embarrassed.I couldn't stand Dantley. He's in a special category in my books with these guys:

Dantley was washed up when he came to Dallas. Aguirre wasn't too much better in Detroit.

Harold Baines was a bum for Texas. That's what Texas got for trading Sosa long ago.

Ron Essink for the Cowboys. The Seahawks traded him to Dallas around 1987 and he retired a few days later. That's as close as they ever got to revenge for trading what turned out to be pick #2 and Tony Dorsett to Dallas until Romo's fumble.

Randy Johnson for 3 future starting pitchers and about 2 months of Astros help before losing to Kevin Brown twice in the 98 playoffs.

[SLC93]

I couldn't stand Dantley. He's in a special category in my books with these guys:

Dantley was washed up when he came to Dallas. Aguirre wasn't too much better in Detroit.

Harold Baines was a bum for Texas. That's what Texas got for trading Sosa long ago.

Ron Essink for the Cowboys. The Seahawks traded him to Dallas around 1987 and he retired a few days later. That's as close as they ever got to revenge for trading what turned out to be pick #2 and Tony Dorsett to Dallas until Romo's fumble.

Randy Johnson for 3 future starting pitchers and about 2 months of Astros help before losing to Kevin Brown twice in the 98 playoffs.

Harold Baines, that's a disaster I hadn't thought about in awhile. What do think about Artest? Would ya?