Ron Mendoza from Southlake Carroll named.....

[CedarHillDad]

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New Defensive Coordinator at Cedar Hill High School. More info and details to follow.:D

[CedarHillDad]

Southlake Carroll. sorry about the mispelling. :o

[ftballin11]

what coach was he at SLC.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

:eek:YIKES!:notworthy

This is a huge, and great hire for the Longhorns.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

what coach was he at SLC.

He was defensive coordinator for all, or most, of their 4 state titles teams since they've been in 5A.

[ftballin11]

Uh oh, they lost there offensive specialist in Dodge, there defensive specialist, now. Is SLC starting to drop just a bit. Or did they simply just let him go because they have somebody else.

[CCHS77]

He was defensive coordinator for all, or most, of their 4 state titles teams since they've been in 5A.

He was DC for three of the titles, He was LB coach for the '02 title and '03 loss to Katy.

[CCHS77]

Uh oh, they lost there offensive specialist in Dodge, there defensive specialist, now. Is SLC starting to drop just a bit. Or did they simply just let him go because they have somebody else.

Coach Mendosa left with Coach Dodge in '06 (season) He did not coach at SLC last season. He was DC @ NT last year.

[CCHS77]

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New Defensive Coordinator at Cedar Hill High School. More info and details to follow.:D

Congrats to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Having said that, I hope the boys are ready. He is a tough taskmaster.

[ftballin11]

Coach Mendosa left with Coach Dodge in '06 (season) He did not coach at SLC last season. He was DC @ NT last year.


O well that answers the question why there defense looked so out of position against MNW.

Why wold you leave a program like SLC and go to Cedarhill. SLC wouldnt take him back or what.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

He was DC for three of the titles, He was LB coach for the '02 title and '03 loss to Katy.

Okay, I knew it was something like that. Thanks for the clarification!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

O well that answers the question why there defense looked so out of position against MNW.

Why wold you leave a program like SLC and go to Cedarhill. SLC wouldnt take him back or what.

He didn't leave Carroll for Cedar Hill, he left Carroll for North Texas with Coach Dodge. Mendoza was then fired by UNT after this season, and Cedar Hill pursued him pretty hard, I guess!

[trainin' the game]

O well that answers the question why there defense looked so out of position against MNW.

Why wold you leave a program like SLC and go to Cedarhill. SLC wouldnt take him back or what.

Why not? ch has better athletes and the city is growing everyday.

[CedarHillDad]

O well that answers the question why there defense looked so out of position against MNW.

Why wold you leave a program like SLC and go to Cedarhill. SLC wouldnt take him back or what.

And what is so wrong with going to chill?

[ftballin11]

Why not? ch has better athletes and the city is growing everyday.


All that growing city means is more high schools. Katy i one of the fastest growing cities but Katy high is almost at 4a numbers. Yea they have athletes. But the state powers right now dont. Programs are more than talent.

[trainin' the game]

Congrats to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Having said that, I hope the boys are ready. He is a tough taskmaster.

I think the last dc was the same way shouldn't be too bad (disiciplined choas continues @ the hill:D); but everyone's different.

Good luck coach; there are alot of athletes down their off of hwy 67.

[CedarHillDad]

All that growing city means is more high schools. Katy i one of the fastest growing cities but Katy high is almost at 4a numbers. Yea they have athletes. But the state powers right now dont. Programs are more than talent.

exactly, that is why you always, always try to improve your program. I think chill just improved their program.

[CCHS77]

Is the CH head coach staying? (re: Plano talk)

[CedarHillDad]

Is the CH head coach staying? (re: Plano talk)

he can't leave. Chaos would ensue.:D

[trainin' the game]

All that growing city means is more high schools. Katy i one of the fastest growing cities but Katy high is almost at 4a numbers. Yea they have athletes. But the state powers right now dont. Programs are more than talent.

ch is a growing program that has been on the rise since joey mcguire took over 5 years ago.

their first playoff win was last year and then they ran off five more to go perfect on the year at 16-0. you want to talk about programs go and look at the recruits, the wt. room, oh yea their "boot camp" style of off-season i heard it's the real deal.

some teams have just been doing it longer, but it is one to look out for. especially now.

[ftballin11]

exactly, that is why you always, always try to improve your program. I think chill just improved their program.

I agree, they did improve. I was just wondering why SLC didnt pursue him.

[CedarHillDad]

I agree, they did improve. I was just wondering why SLC didnt pursue him.

SC's lost chill's gain

[CCHS77]

I agree, they did improve. I was just wondering why SLC didnt pursue him.

While I don't know if they did or didn't, they don't have a position open.

[trainin' the game]

Is the CH head coach staying? (re: Plano talk)

no; i mean yes he is staying; read the question wrong.

[ftballin11]

ch is a growing program that has been on the rise since joey mcguire took over 5 years ago.

their first playoff win was last year and then they ran off five more to go perfect on the year at 16-0. you want to talk about programs go and look at the recruits, the wt. room, oh yea their "boot camp" style of off-season i heard it's the real deal.

some teams have just been doing it longer, but it is one to look out for. especially now.

Recruits and size of your weight room doesnt matter. Boot camp is easy compared to alot of offseasons. Plus i dont believe offseason is all about the working out, but instead about developing leadersship and character.

[trainin' the game]

Is the CH head coach staying? (re: Plano talk)
yes

[trainin' the game]

Recruits and size of your weight room doesnt matter. Boot camp is easy compared to alot of offseasons. Plus i dont believe offseason is all about the working out, but instead about developing leadersship and character.

like i said i invite you to go to cedar hill and see what they do. you want character and leadership go up their on friday's.

[ftballin11]

like i said i invite you to go to cedar hill and see what they do. you want character and leadership go up their on friday's.

Ill take your word for it. lol. All im saying is ive seen them play once and it looks like they are relying on talent. But maybe this hire will help get them in the right direction.

[DrEdward]

Good luck to Coach Mendoza at Cedar Hill. He can be a tough task master. As has been pointed out, Ron left for North Texas with Dodge and some other Carroll coaches prior to last season. Since then, obviously Carroll has filled his position with a competent man and he remains on the staff at Carroll. Thus, there is no position available for Coach Mendoza as a defensive co-ordinator at Carroll. So 1) he did not leave Carroll for Cedar Hill (even though there would be nothing wrong with that) and 2) his absense was not the reason for Carroll's defensive play against MNW. The latter was much more a result of the almost complete varsity-level inexperience of the defensive secondary. But that is a different subject.

[ftballin11]

Good luck to Coach Mendoza at Cedar Hill. He can be a tough task master. As has been pointed out, Ron left for North Texas with Dodge and some other Carroll coaches prior to last season. Since then, obviously Carroll has filled his position with a competent man and he remains on the staff at Carroll. Thus, there is no position available for Coach Mendoza as a defensive co-ordinator at Carroll. So 1) he did not leave Carroll for Cedar Hill (even though there would be nothing wrong with that) and 2) his absense was not the reason for Carroll's defensive play against MNW. The latter was much more a result of the almost complete varsity-level inexperience of the defensive secondary. But that is a different subject.

Well SLC just didnt look like the same team that im use to seeing with turnovers and mental breakdowns.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Is the CH head coach staying? (re: Plano talk)

That is the rumor that he had applied and had inquried about the job. Some folks think he will get the job. However if he is leaving he sure must be doing a good job in hiding in since he just hired a new DC.

Personally, He needs to stay at Cedar Hill. Not sure if it would be the right fit for Plano. He is a good coach but he has no ties to Plano and with all the weapons coming back on offense how much will he change things up and will he tinker with the Plano system on Defense that has been in place with the same schemes for over 40 years.

Plano has had 3 head coaches in 40 years. All came from within the program and it has proved to be very successful except for some hiccups the last 6 years.

[DrEdward]

Well SLC just didnt look like the same team that im use to seeing with turnovers and mental breakdowns.

I agree, but the turnovers were not by the defense and the breakdowns were, in my mind, largely the result of the inexperience. But we should leave this for a different thread, rather than this one, if you would like to discuss.

[Trinity Alum]

Coach Mendosa left with Coach Dodge in '06 (season) He did not coach at SLC last season. He was DC @ NT last year.

That's what I was thinking.

[Trinity Alum]

O well that answers the question why there defense looked so out of position against MNW.

Why wold you leave a program like SLC and go to Cedarhill. SLC wouldnt take him back or what.

So are you saying that you would fire a DC just because the guy that held that position before him wanted his job back?

[CCHS77]

I'm sure most coaches would like to become Head Coaches. That being said, he's getting his chance.

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[Trinity Alum]

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My mistake. I read it wrong. :D

[ftballin11]

So are you saying that you would fire a DC just because the guy that held that position before him wanted his job back?


If he is a better DC than yes

[SLC93]

Folks can argue over his style all they want but the bottom line is Mendoza can really get a defense ready. Great pick up for CHill!

[SLC93]

Also remember that while he was at Carroll he never got 1st pick of athletes. Dodge set his offensive squads and then let Mendoza have the left overs to put his defenses together with. That's not a slap at all the great kids that have played defense for the Dragons in any way. It's just the way it was. Be interesting to see him with the kind of athletes that roam the halls at CHill playing on his side of the ball.

[Trinity Alum]

If he is a better DC than yes

Too bad, so sad. :D

[ftballin11]

Also remember that while he was at Carroll he never got 1st pick of athletes. Dodge set his offensive squads and then let Mendoza have the left overs to put his defenses together with. That's not a slap at all the great kids that have played defense for the Dragons in any way. It's just the way it was. Be interesting to see him with the kind of athletes that roam the halls at CHill playing on his side of the ball.


Thats pretty funny, at katy the offense gets the first two picks then the next eleven go to defense. Obviously kids positions will change as the coaches see fit, but we see the different styles.

[TheBigPeach]

Why not? ch has better athletes and the city is growing everyday.

Saying CH has better athletes than Southlake is a pretty big statment......

[ftballin11]

Saying CH has better athletes than Southlake is a pretty big statment......

I would second that. C-hill, is more talented

[slc1knight]

Congrats to Coach Mendoza. A very unique guy who gets the most out of players. His style requires commitment, repsect and dedication. That was easier at SLC than it proved in the college ranks. The Chill players better get ready to put forth 110% effort every play, practice and off the field. The kind of coach who players respect, fear and are glad to have played under.

[ftballin11]

Congrats to Coach Mendoza. A very unique guy who gets the most out of players. His style requires commitment, repsect and dedication. That was easier at SLC than it proved in the college ranks. The Chill players better get ready to put forth 110% effort every play, practice and off the field. The kind of coach who players respect, fear and are glad to have played under.

He sounds like a great DC, has the loss effected SLC since.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

I would second that. C-hill, is more talented

That's a really assine statement since SC knocked Chill out of the playoffs in Round 2 - 37-18. Where was Chill's talent on that day?

[slc1knight]

He sounds like a great DC, has the loss effected SLC since.

Not sure. Like Dr. E said, the discussion is for another thread. I would agree that last years problems were primarily due to a very inexperienced D. Without Mendoza, I would say we lost a little of the tougheness. The new SLC DC however, made great adjustments considering the talent vs. the last several years. And the MNW comments - I thought SLC D played well considering the inexperience and the talent MNW had.

[TheBigPeach]

That's a really assine statement since SC knocked Chill out of the playoffs in Round 2 - 37-18. Where was Chill's talent on that day?

I was thinking about bringing that up. Tommy Avers (Soph) ran all over Ceder Hill...

[Trinity Alum]

I would second that. C-hill, is more talented

Are you serious? :rolleyes:

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

I was thinking about bringing that up. Tommy Avers (Soph) ran all over Ceder Hill...
A SC poster couldn't say that but I can. As in the past, Trinity's got SC's back and SC's got Trinity's back.

[TheBigPeach]

A SC poster couldn't say that but I can. As in the past, Trinity's got SC's back and SC's got Trinity's back.

So so true

[ftballin11]

Are you serious? :rolleyes:

LOL, yall take it as an insult when i mean it as a compliment. I think team with less talent and is still a state power such as Katy SV SLC and Trinity. Would you rather me say that SLC wins state because they are so talented or coaching and tradition how i believe those teams do it.

[TheBigPeach]

LOL, yall take it as an insult when i mean it as a compliment. I think team with less talent and is still a state power such as Katy SV SLC and Trinity. Would you rather me say that SLC wins state because they are so talented or coaching and tradition how i believe those teams do it.

Its a combination of all 3

[ftballin11]

Its a combination of all 3

How many D1 Prospects does SLC on avg produce. Id say katy and SV are on the lower half on most talented teams in the state where does trinity and SLC lie.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Saying CH has better athletes than Southlake is a pretty big statment......

I would second that. C-hill, is more talented

LOL, yall take it as an insult when i mean it as a compliment. I think team with less talent and is still a state power such as Katy SV SLC and Trinity. Would you rather me say that SLC wins state because they are so talented or coaching and tradition how i believe those teams do it.

What you seconded was Chill was more talented than SC. The 37-18 loss to SC proved you wrong.
More often than not, talent alone doesn't win football games. Yes, coaching, tradition, and community support is a major factor in winning football programs.
I'm still waiting to see if Chill is going to be a major force in the playoffs after their one-year wonder year with Cole. Time will tell.

[ftballin11]

What you seconded was Chill was more talented than SC. The 37-18 loss to SC proved you wrong.
More often than not, talent alone doesn't win football games. Yes, coaching, tradition, and community support is a major factor in winning football programs.
I'm still waiting to see if Chill is going to be a major force in the playoffs after their one-year wonder year with Cole. Time will tell.


So Judson is more talented than NS.:rolleyes:

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

So Judson is more talented than NS.:rolleyes:

On that day, in that game - YES.

[ftballin11]

On that day, in that game - YES.

Talented and better team are different you no that right. The more talented team doesnt always win.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

What you seconded was Chill was more talented than SC. The 37-18 loss to SC proved you wrong.
More often than not, talent alone doesn't win football games. Yes, coaching, tradition, and community support is a major factor in winning football programs.
I'm still waiting to see if Chill is going to be a major force in the playoffs after their one-year wonder year with Cole. Time will tell.

Talented and better team are different you no that right. The more talented team doesnt always win.
I've stated that already and I'm done playing parables. In fact, I'll just flat out say it - SC has more talent than Chill.
Congratulation to Chill for getting Coach Mendoza.

[drgnbkr]

Southlake Carroll was clearly the more talented team in 07. They owned Cedar Hill on the field where it matters. If you want to try and break it down to individual players, go ahead. PS: CHill is going to continue to be a force with the coaches they have in place. Mendoza is a very good addition.

[toonman]

This is a real good hire for Cedar Hill. At Southlake, RM was the Wrestling Coach as well.

[katyfan52]

Southlake Carroll. sorry about the mispelling. :o
That's quite a list of honors your son is racking up. You aren't proud of him are you? ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

Also remember that while he was at Carroll he never got 1st pick of athletes. Dodge set his offensive squads and then let Mendoza have the left overs to put his defenses together with. That's not a slap at all the great kids that have played defense for the Dragons in any way. It's just the way it was. Be interesting to see him with the kind of athletes that roam the halls at CHill playing on his side of the ball.

i agree. my youngest(before soph year) and i were visiting charlie during a recuperative phase, and he recommended when and if todd moved him to offense, that he drop the first 10 passes that he could, thus securing his defensive position. worked out good, after all. thank goodness for aaron luna.

[green day]

i agree. my youngest(before soph year) and i were visiting charlie during a recuperative phase, and he recommended when and if todd moved him to offense, that he drop the first 10 passes that he could, thus securing his defensive position. worked out good, after all. thank goodness for aaron luna.

only kid I ever saw hit dingers leading off a game from both sides of the plate in the same season... and I'm not refering to the "Tuna"

[SLC93]

How many D1 Prospects does SLC on avg produce. Id say katy and SV are on the lower half on most talented teams in the state where does trinity and SLC lie.

Not including this year's signing day, Carroll has produced more DI players than any other school in Texas over the previous 5 years. Now, that number is a little deceiving. Most of those kids are signing with Texas, Florida, Ohio State or USC but they're playing DI football, regardless. Also the 2005 class was huge. I believe 12 signee's from that class. The fact remains that there are alot of former Dragon's playing college ball.

[SLC93]

i agree. my youngest(before soph year) and i were visiting charlie during a recuperative phase, and he recommended when and if todd moved him to offense, that he drop the first 10 passes that he could, thus securing his defensive position. worked out good, after all. thank goodness for aaron luna.

That's priceless. Rest in peace, Charlie.

[timbo15]

Good hire. I think he will bring some good things to the table.