Dallas Carter: Contender or Pretender?

[StormingCowboy]

For the past several years, Carter's reputation has been to have great regular seasons and early exits from the post season.

Not looking at the past, and taking them for 2005, how deep do you think their playoff run will be and why? If not very deep, why?

[BHS0005]

Yall will go pretty far. Yall have some huge and fast players.

[Favpack]

If they have a disciplined D, a good kicking game; at least an average passing game - and they don't run the simple toss sweep 18 times a game-- this year could be different. If not, I see a similar exit.

[dada]

For the past several years, Carter's reputation has been to have great regular seasons and early exits from the post season.

Not looking at the past, and taking them for 2005, how deep do you think their playoff run will be and why? If not very deep, why?
From the outiside looking in....if DISD is anything like HISD, the district dosent prepare them for long runs in the playoffs. Every now and then an inner city school suprises us though. Would be nice if they did though.

[StormingCowboy]

Coach Wilson is very excited about this year's team because this is the first group that has been in his system since their freshmen year.

This also the best QB he's had since he's been at Carter, and his junior class is the most talented group he's had since he's been at Carter.

[GoOwls]

You have all the parts in place, you just have to execute and you will contend.

[LeanderLions3033]

As far as your athletes go, you have some of the best athletes in the state. But you can't win games without some kind of passing attack, and thats how it was two years ago. And as far as the kicking game goes, our last few kickers have been soccer players that can kick the ball a mile. Carter always tends to have some random guy just toe punching it for them. Which brings me to my point about special teams, you must have decent special teams as well. I haven't seen you guys play since 03, but i don't think you will go very far if you havent fixed any of this. If you have, you guys have the athletes to compete with anybody in the state.

[c-lisle]

I don't know but I hope to see a Carter/JT matchup in the playoffs. Wilson against his old team with a new face.

[StormingCowboy]

As far as your athletes go, you have some of the best athletes in the state. But you can't win games without some kind of passing attack, and thats how it was two years ago. And as far as the kicking game goes, our last few kickers have been soccer players that can kick the ball a mile. Carter always tends to have some random guy just toe punching it for them. Which brings me to my point about special teams, you must have decent special teams as well. I haven't seen you guys play since 03, but i don't think you will go very far if you havent fixed any of this. If you have, you guys have the athletes to compete with anybody in the state.

Last year, the year after losing to Leander, Wilson started using the spread along with the Wing- T. Carter doesn't pass a whole lot, but enough to keep you honest and enough to successfully get out of 3rd and long situations.

As far as the special teams, I've only noticed one lapse on kick off and 2 at the most on field goals and they were holder issues.

[LoneRocket]

Wish you guys the best.

[gtowndrumma]

Id rather see a rematch between GHS and Carter. thatll be a good game imo

[StormingCowboy]

Wish you guys the best.

Thanx.

The Cowboy Country is just waiting to get this district play over with.
Sooooooooooo boring!!! It's TORTURE!!!

I wish DISD would let Carter jump ship from the ALL DISD district and be in 7-5A. In fact, geographically, Carter is closer to Duncanville and Desoto than any of it's district opponents.

[Papa LoneStar]

I wish DISD would let Carter jump ship from the ALL DISD district and be in 7-5A. In fact, geographically, Carter is closer to Duncanville and Desoto than any of it's district opponents.

I've been waiting of the longest to see a matchup between Duncanville and Carter.

[Carter Cowboy]

Ditto to the different district comment...but we gotta make due with what we have.

I have been to a few games this year, Garland, Molina(homecoming) and scrimmage match-ups against bowie.

Carter is talented, granted, but I have to say that the defense is more impressive to me than I can remeber in recent years. Not that they were ever bad, but they are playing with more consitency and umph.

The first game of the season we slid past Sam Houston, they gave us all we wanted...even though Sqam Houston's record may not indicate it, they are a firey squad with talent.

Kimball is always tough even if it is only with us, Arl. Lamar is always talented too(maybe not as much this year vs past), but talented non the less and Garland, I can not say enough about them. They were highly favored, but we managed to pull it off.

Crabtree now has his offensive rythm, the o line is big, fast and tough.
Although we are knwn for the run, the passing has gotten better. Last week we threw for 115 yards, which may not seem like a lot compared to some programs, but when you rush for nearly 400 yards, it'll always look insignificant. But the pass is there.

I honestly believe that caoch wilson knows now that he has a reliable QB and recievers if and when the time is needed.

I look foward to the White and Skyline Games, both of which wiol be some what competitive and will help in preparing our boys for a tough play-off run.

As far as play-offs, I would like to see a Carter/JT/garland match. Either way it would be very emotionally played. But I am really more concerned with getting past round 1 as of now. Never sleep on anyone.

We are slept on alot and that is cool, everyone has their own opinion...guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Storming Cowboy I'll be at the skyline game and every play-off game....I'm always by the band, might catch up with you one game.

By the way how did carter do in that three way scrimmage with midland and trinity..esp against trinity?

[GTown02]

Would love to play Carter again :D. Maybe this time, both our passing games will be much improved! ;)

[StormingCowboy]

By the way how did carter do in that three way scrimmage with midland and trinity..esp against trinity?

I almost forgot about that scrimmage...

1st team scored 1 TD on Trinity and Midland, and gave up 1 TD(ETwere w/o Nance and Handy) to both.
2nd Team scored twice on ET, and gave up 1. They scored twice on Midland and held them scoreless.

They started out kinda slow but looked to be dominant later on.


Right now, weeks later, ET seems to look like the most dominant out of the 3!!!!

[Carter Cowboy]

trinity does look pretty awsome, but I feel that if the boys were able to contened with them then then they are ok, plus that was just the begining of the season, they've improved.

btw the white skyline score was 35-24 skyline ( i sure was pull'n for white oh well)

[eagleike]

Carter has a very bumpy road to the final. A re-match with Garland, and then the winner of Leander/ Copperas Cove. Finally a showdown with the Longview/Lufkin winner!! All of that and then possibly Abilene!!

Whew!!...........my oh my, what a challenge!!

Go for it Cowboys!!!

[StormingCowboy]

It's a bumpy road but you can only get there one bump at a time.

[CCBoy]

trinity does look pretty awsome, but I feel that if the boys were able to contened with them then then they are ok, plus that was just the begining of the season, they've improved.

btw the white skyline score was 35-24 skyline ( i sure was pull'n for white oh well)
What's happening Carter and Storming Cowboys. I really feel (hoping) that this is the year that Carter will do more than what everyone is expecting them to do. I've been following them since 1986 and I really feel like this is a great year for them. I have been in the past, very critical, and still can be of them, but I see that they have pieces that they haven't had in a long time. There are many great teams this year and all we must do is wait it out and see if this truly is the team. Carter has always covered the pass pretty good, but the run is what has killed us in the past. (Ex. Garland 2004 and Mesquite 2004.) This year Carter has covered the rush big time. They've held some big time backs in check. The pieces are there fellas, but we'll have to wait it out. Hope to see you at state.

[Carter Cowboy]

Yeah I keep up with them too...proably too much...got their complete history in a binder. I'm currently working on something with someone to get the red-storm following greater. If it goes through it'll be a real good thing for all Carter fans , alumni and friends.


BTW CC BOY and Storming Cowboy what classes did you finish in? C/o 2000 here Drum Major....

[CCBoy]

Yeah I keep up with them too...proably too much...got their complete history in a binder. I'm currently working on something with someone to get the red-storm following greater. If it goes through it'll be a real good thing for all Carter fans , alumni and friends.


BTW CC BOY and Storming Cowboy what classes did you finish in? C/o 2000 here Drum Major....
Phunk Phactory 1991

[StormingCowboy]

Phunk Phac-Toe-Re Class of 92, Drum Capt (1990-1992)

[Carter Cowboy]

uh-oh got the whole cc marchingmachine in this piece...so I see 91 and 92...ya'll must know each other then...anybody frat?

KKY#7 sp 01 EX UAPB Genepsi

[garlandowl08]

I sure hope Garland and Carter get to play again...I missed the first game and while i hate making predictions really early, I might give the upper-hand to Garland, solely based on the fact that we lost during the reuglar season and would have something to prove...then again, its the playoffs and every team plays with 100% grit and determination so who knows...

[StormingCowboy]

Take care of your business against 12-5A and it will happen!!!

[Eagle Hombre]

Carter has a very bumpy road to the final. A re-match with Garland, and then the winner of Leander/ Copperas Cove. Finally a showdown with the Longview/Lufkin winner!! All of that and then possibly Abilene!!

Whew!!...........my oh my, what a challenge!!

Go for it Cowboys!!!

I remember hearing a coaches interview about being in the 3rd round of the playoffs -- "everybody's good at this point". Carter needs to get there to measure themselves against the top teams in the state. This is the point when the cream starts rising to the top. Good luck in the rest of the season and hope to see you in the later rounds -- Most teams at his point are either undefeated or just have one loss - get past this round and then a team can say that they hung with the best Texas had to offer -- Good Luck :D

[Carter Cowboy]

that's true....counting the days!

[StormingCowboy]

Another example of how bad the district is:

Carter beats Sunset 74-0. The back ups were in before halftime. The refs started running the clock quite early in this one.

[DragonNation]

Answer:

Pretender

[lonny23]

Answer:

Pretender
Probably because their district does nothing to help them win in the postseason.

[StormingCowboy]

Answer:

Pretender


Dragonnation, what's your reason for feeling this way??

[CCBoy]

Dragonnation, what's your reason for feeling this way??
Just because.........

Watch out now!

[svrangerfan]

If Carter can stay eligible in the classroom they have as much talent as anyone in the state this year. As a Smithson Valley fan I thnk we have a better shot against a team like SLC than a huge fast talented Carter team. Carters drawbacks are they are not difficult to prepare for. They run their mouths too much and they don't play a decent team in District other than Skyline(not their fault). They will get beat in the playoffs because they will get outcoached. They are up there with Lufkin or Longview in talent though.

[Eagle Hombre]

I admire what Carter does on the football field. Looking at their enrollment numbers, I believe their either right at a large 4A or just made it into 5A. I remember reading that they petitioned the UIL to stay in 5A. I also think they will make some noise in the playoffs this year. In the future, I feel that Carter will get better. I read an article in the Dallas Morning News this past year that illustrated the stragtegy that the suburbs have been using for years, controlling the athletic programs of their feeder schools. DISD schools have not had this benefit. The articel pointed out that the DISD hopes to adopt this practice. I'm hoping that they implement this in the future so that progams like Carter can reach their full potential. :D :D

[LoneRocket]

If Carter can stay eligible in the classroom they have as much talent as anyone in the state this year. As a Smithson Valley fan I thnk we have a better shot against a team like SLC than a huge fast talented Carter team. Carters drawbacks are they are not difficult to prepare for. They run their mouths too much and they don't play a decent team in District other than Skyline(not their fault). They will get beat in the playoffs because they will get outcoached. They are up there with Lufkin or Longview in talent though.
I think also if SV can stay eligible in the classroom also they can compete for state again. If there are not an anymore issues like last year they should be okay, they will have a cake walk in the playoffs (not their fault), They will get beat in the finals because they will get outcoached. Insert your comments with SV and the shoe is on the other foot. Carter's history can stack up with anybody.

[CCBoy]

I think also if SV can stay eligible in the classroom also they can compete for state again. If there are not an anymore issues like last year they should be okay, they will have a cake walk in the playoffs (not their fault), They will get beat in the finals because they will get outcoached. Insert your comments with SV and the shoe is on the other foot. Carter's history can stack up with anybody.
Hey I appreciate it Lone Rocket. You say the stuff that I can't say myself. Good looking out.

[StormingCowboy]

If Carter can stay eligible in the classroom they have as much talent as anyone in the state this year. As a Smithson Valley fan I thnk we have a better shot against a team like SLC than a huge fast talented Carter team. Carters drawbacks are they are not difficult to prepare for. They run their mouths too much and they don't play a decent team in District other than Skyline(not their fault). They will get beat in the playoffs because they will get outcoached. They are up there with Lufkin or Longview in talent though.


SVRANGERFAN, what are basing your statements on?

[StormingCowboy]

Fun facts from DMN:

Carter (9-0, 5-0): The No. 3 5A area team has pitched shutouts in three of five district games. Carter is holding district foes to 1.1 yards per carry. The defense features two Big 12 recruits: DE Adrian Hamilton (Oklahoma State) and CB Antareis Bryan (Baylor).

In 9-5A this don't amount to a hill of beans, but you can brag about it to your children!!

[CCBoy]

This is an article from DMN about Carter's starting QB and RB.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/schoolday/stories/110305denspocentralcover.20f18cda.html

[Maroon Cathead]

With Coach Wilson (2 time state champion coach) at the helm, I have to believe that Carter is a strong contender. Combining Carter's talent with Wilson's coaching appears to have produced a formidable team.

[businesstron]

I'd love Carter in a district with Duncanville, Desoto, Cedar Hill, and.......two other schools. Either how is that Skyline game looking this week? It looks like they are your only real competition there since Kimball went to 4a.

[Ohio Football Rocks]

TexASS school?

PRETENDERS

No, I'm just kidding. I know TX has some damn good football...

[StormingCowboy]

At this point of the season, we have met expections. We have defeated everyone we were supposed to, how we were supposed to.

Even though this is just round 2, this is a pivotal game in our football program. I think that if we win this game people will take us serious for a change. I understand that it is hard to right now with our recent playoff history and our weak schedule.

Nevertheless, we have a tough opponent in Garland Friday, a much improved Garland team since we've played them earlier in the season, and a victory over the Owls would really send a message.

After this weekend you'll know for sure if Carter is a Pretender or Contender because if we loose, it'll be another year of Carter only going 1 or 2 rounds deep in the playoffs.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

At this point of the season, we have met expections. We have defeated everyone we were supposed to, how we were supposed to.

Even though this is just round 2, this is a pivotal game in our football program. I think that if we win this game people will take us serious for a change. I understand that it is hard to right now with our recent playoff history and our weak schedule.

Nevertheless, we have a tough opponent in Garland Friday, a much improved Garland team since we've played them earlier in the season, and a victory over the Owls would really send a message.

After this weekend you'll know for sure if Carter is a Pretender or Contender because if we loose, it'll be another year of Carter only going 1 or 2 rounds deep in the playoffs.

How is your special teams? That decides if you move on. You guys have everything else in place. Had Houston Madison had kicking game they beat strake.

[StormingCowboy]

How is your special teams? That decides if you move on. You guys have everything else in place. Had Houston Madison had kicking game they beat strake.

Kick off: B
Kick off Receiving: B
Punt (Receive): B
Punt: B+
Field Goal: C-
Defend Field Goal: B

[fbjones]

How is your special teams? That decides if you move on. You guys have everything else in place. Had Houston Madison had kicking game they beat strake.


This last sentence just shows how the average Texas High School Fan thinks about Houston football. That was NOT Houston Madison that played Strake, That WAS Fort Bend MARSHALL. If MARSHALL had a good kicker Strake would be out.

A lot of guys get on here and really don't know what they are talking about.

[rich_pack]

you have now been answered!!!

[dawgdude86]

I guess that they have made the "Your fired list"

[#655321]

well it would have to be pretender cuz they lost to Garland

[drgnbkr]

I feel for the Cowboys....they have some talent every year but can't move in the playoffs....

[stallion2owl]

Considering Carter is really a 4A school (1896 students) that stays in 5A by choice (for basketball), they are doing great. I think they should go ahead and join Kimball and compete against likesize schools. Highland Park, for example, has 1921 students.

[garlandowl08]

Kick off: B
Kick off Receiving: B
Punt (Receive): B
Punt: B+
Field Goal: C-
Defend Field Goal: B

Not to add insult to injury by any means, but Carter's special teams did not impress me at all tonight.

[FootballJunkie]

Guess pretender :confused: They Lost!!!!

[StormingCowboy]

Well everyone can get in their "I told you so". Obviously, it was another year of a great regular season.

We have bowed out once again as a pretender for the state championship.

However, no matter what anyone thinks because everyone has an opinion, and I feel that Garland fans will agree, the Carter Cowboys are still a very good team and can compete with the best.