View Full Version : Why is North Shore not ranked higher?
ALLIN
10-19-2005, 09:22 AM
It seems like they have the best defense, adn one of the best offenses, my question is why are they only number 8 on this site? I guess I am wondering if copperas cove is better than they are.
TWHPA
10-19-2005, 09:25 AM
It probably has to do with only beating The Woodlands by 1...I don't think that many think we are a team considered to be a threat. Don't worry....being ranked lower has it's benefits later on as you face higher ranked teams.
KT2000
10-19-2005, 09:40 AM
The district schedule they play hurts them because it doesn't give us a chance to see them up against a tough opponent. The Woodlands is the only team Shore has played so far that had the kind of team that could test them. We're going to have to wait until the playoffs to get a good feel for just how good North Shore is (and I think they are definitely top 10 worthy having seen them in person this year) because they probably won't have to play a four quarter game until then.
Big Daddy Cool
10-19-2005, 10:24 AM
Not only does our district schedual hurt when it comes to things such as rankings, but our non district schedual doesn't help either. As I've said before when we first started playing Elsik and Hastings both had very good programs.Though with the addition of Taylor to their school district they lost a lot of talent and have since fallen on hard times. Sure they still manage to produce some good players just not near as many as they were a couple of years ago. I really hope next year that we would add some real non district competition to our schedual.
Statman/NS
10-19-2005, 10:58 AM
I agree that for the most part our district schedule WEEPS... but as I look at SOME of the other top ranked teams, their schedules aren't much better!!! I fully understand that from the outside we have faced one tough opponent.
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 11:11 AM
What was that first round score for North Shore last year?
:D
~DnM
What was that first round score for North Shore last year?
:D
~DnM
First round they beat Pearland 35-30 :D
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 11:15 AM
Which round did they lose by a *huge* margin? Something like 50?
~DnM
Which round did they lose by a *huge* margin? Something like 50?
~DnM
They lost to state finalist Westfield 56-14
I knew what you were talking about....just giving you a hard time
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 11:18 AM
Right, I just looked it up.
My point was, fair or not, Top 10 rankings OFTEN depend on the previous year.... Until the current one is over.
~DnM
Right, I just looked it up.
My point was, fair or not, Top 10 rankings OFTEN depend on the previous year.... Until the current one is over.
~DnM
I think the top 10 focuses more on returning players rather than than your last game.
lonny23
10-19-2005, 11:37 AM
Which round did they lose by a *huge* margin? Something like 50?
~DnM
Round 2.
lonny23
10-19-2005, 11:38 AM
The district schedule they play hurts them because it doesn't give us a chance to see them up against a tough opponent. The Woodlands is the only team Shore has played so far that had the kind of team that could test them. We're going to have to wait until the playoffs to get a good feel for just how good North Shore is (and I think they are definitely top 10 worthy having seen them in person this year) because they probably won't have to play a four quarter game until then.
That district is terrible, but NS might still be one of the 5 best teams in Texas.
eagleike
10-19-2005, 11:59 AM
North Shore is running under the radar this year which gives them the advantage against Westfield. Last year North Shore was expected to win following the great 03 season.
Westfield will have their hands full in 2005. Will the game be played in GPISD stadium? If so advantage North Shore.
North Shore is running under the radar this year which gives them the advantage against Westfield. Last year North Shore was expected to win following the great 03 season.
Westfield will have their hands full in 2005. Will the game be played in GPISD stadium? If so advantage North Shore.
Westfield is looking GOOD this year.
KT2000
10-19-2005, 12:15 PM
Lonny, Shore is definitely a good team this year. They just lost a little luster in my eyes with the big loss to Westfield last year and that's why they started this year lower, but I was very impressed when I saw them in person.
The teams in front of them to start the year have given us no excuse to change the order drastically since the football action started up. Our top seven or so from the pre-season is pretty much untouched into week eight.
03mustangwideout
10-19-2005, 12:20 PM
Right, I just looked it up.
My point was, fair or not, Top 10 rankings OFTEN depend on the previous year.... Until the current one is over.
~DnM
im sorry but that has to be the dumbest thig ive heard. Yeah maybe at the beginning of the year but we are 8 weeks in the season what happenedlast year doesnt mean anything by now. And they are a top 5 team im sorry im not trying to be bias but its true.
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 12:45 PM
Whichever.
Think what you want to.
Had North Shore not started so low(because of LAST YEAR), they would be higher.
~DnM
Whichever.
Think what you want to.
Had North Shore not started so low(because of LAST YEAR), they would be higher.
~DnM
Huh?
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:18 PM
Where did GPNS start the season? What rank?
Where did they end last year?
~DnM
Where did GPNS start the season? What rank?
Where did they end last year?
~DnM
The Westfield game had NOTHING to do with the pre-season rankings. Some teams dont make the playoffs one year and are ranked the next. They were ranked #1 or #2 when the lost to Westfield last year.
Big Daddy Cool
10-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Come on guys he's just trying to get ou all riled up over nothing really. We all know when anyone be it KT and the boys here or Dave Campbell or USA Today or anyone they always look at what a team did the previous year when maing their ranking for the following year. Now seeing as we are setting in the top ten says that people have taken notice of what we are doing. So it's not like we are beign majorly disrespected.
And knowing that KT and gang are firm believers in North Shore being one of the top programs in the state i can't see them ever disrespecting us in any way. The fact of the matter is until we get in a competetive district which most likely will never happen due to area and travel we are forever going to get rated lower than most. And as I said in my above post we need to schedual some major players in our no district schedual as well to really get people's attention. We are going to have to leave the Alief school behind and step up and play the top programs like Katy,Lufkin,SLC, and so forth
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Interesting...
Re-read KT2000's post above.
I think he disagrees.
~DnM
p.s. I know for a fact they weren't ranked #1........
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:23 PM
Big Daddy = 100% right.
~DnM
KT2000
10-19-2005, 01:34 PM
Pre-season rankings have to be influenced some by the previous year because, at the time, that's the most recent on field performance you have to go by.
If Westfield or any other program in front of North Shore lost a game or two, Shore would pass them up in the rankings as long as they kept winning.
North Shore's a great program but, dare I say it, they've got some "unfinished business" to take care of against Westfield should the two meet up again this year.
Pre-season rankings have to be influenced some by the previous year because, at the time, that's the most recent on field performance you have to go by.
If Westfield or any other program in front of North Shore lost a game or two, Shore would pass them up in the rankings as long as they kept winning.
North Shore's a great program but, dare I say it, they've got some "unfinished business" to take care of against Westfield should the two meet up again this year.
All I'm saying is that the Westfield game is not thhe only thing that determined the rankings.
KT2000
10-19-2005, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I was replying to Sakatha.
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:42 PM
The Westfield game had NOTHING to do with the pre-season rankings. Some teams dont make the playoffs one year and are ranked the next. They were ranked #1 or #2 when the lost to Westfield last year.
Seems to me it's exact opposite.
'All you were saying' was that I am an idiot essentially, and as stated above, that game had nothing to do with the rankings.
KT2000 just *said* that the previous year's performance, which INCLUDES an @sstomping at the hands of Westfield, are taken into account.
~DnM
Yeah, I was replying to Sakatha.
Sorry, dont know why I quoted you. Every team that made the playoffs last year besides SLC and Tyler Lee ended their season with a Loss. Saying that North Shore isnt ranked high because they lost to Westfield last year is only part of the story. You have to look at the Talent returning...talent lost..not only from North Shore...but from all the teams in the top 25 as well.
Seems to me it's exact opposite.
'All you were saying' was that I am an idiot essentially, and as stated above, that game had nothing to do with the rankings.
KT2000 just *said* that the previous year's performance, which INCLUDES an @sstomping at the hands of Westfield, are taken into account.
~DnM
previous YEARS performance....the entire YEAR...not the last game you played. Is there another high school in South Lake??? You can't be from Carrol...their post make sense.
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:48 PM
I never said that the Westfield loss was the only reason...
You're the one who said it had 'nothing' to do with it, and that's simply false.
~DnM
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:49 PM
previous YEARS performance....the entire YEAR...not the last game you played. Is there another high school in South Lake??? You can't be from Carrol...their post make sense.
Could you be any more insulting? Now you're getting personal.
On that note, if you are going to attack me *PLEASE* use spell checker before you call me stupid.
~DnM
I never said that the Westfield loss was the only reason...
You're the one who said it had 'nothing' to do with it, and that's simply false.
~DnM
Plano is in the top 10...what did they do last year?
Clemens lost to Judson 31-0 in the first round last year...they are in the top 10
North Shore lost to a team tha went to state. so would they have been ranked higher if the score was....21-20? I dont think so
Could you be any more insulting? Now you're getting personal.
On that note, if you are going to attack me *PLEASE* use spell checker before you call me stupid.
~DnM
YES SIR! <salute>
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:54 PM
Is Plano ranked above North Shore?
~DnM
Is Plano ranked above you?
~DnM
Above Me?
Sakatha
10-19-2005, 01:57 PM
Now you are just being a jerk.
You win! YAY YOU!
~DnM
Now you are just being a jerk.
You win! YAY YOU!
~DnM
Elaborate..by saying above me do you mean my school?
I dont have a school on here so I'm able to watch games and teams with an open mind and any biases. When you have a favorite team you become a homer and your team can do no wrong and any other team can't do any right. You can always top their best.
ktchamp97
10-19-2005, 03:01 PM
Where did GPNS start the season? What rank?
Where did they end last year?
~DnM
North Shore started last season as the #12 team in our preseason rankings and played their way to a final regular season ranking of #4 behind Carroll, Abilene, and Lufkin.
We took some considerable heat (most of it not from NS supporters mind you) for not automatically giving them the preseason #1, but that's not how we do things. Da Sho lost a TON of experience and talent from the '03 team, so they had enough holes to fill that lead us to believe they, although a very good looking team, were not a preseason top 10 team. As the season played out, they just dominated everyone and worked their way up to #4 before getting pasted by our #22 ranked team, the Westfield Mustangs. As it turned out, North Shore probably was closer to the 12th ranked team in the state than the 4th, while Westfield was considerably underrated.
Similarly, many thought we were disrespectful by not ranking Tyler Lee higher than #11 this preseason, but we saw a team with plenty of holes to fill. We came to find out that Lee was missing even more than we had thought. This is not an "I told you so" it is just to illustrate the fact that we don't just blindly assign rankings based solely off of last year's results. They do, obviously factor in, but we also like to look at a program's recent history (it has proven to be relevant), their returning players (what does last year mean if nobody returns?), and the potential of the new guys (the hardest variable to evaluate).
North Shore Mustang
10-19-2005, 03:11 PM
It probably has to do with only beating The Woodlands by 1...I don't think that many think we are a team considered to be a threat. Don't worry....being ranked lower has it's benefits later on as you face higher ranked teams.
you're right.
Who cares where you are ranked. You show up on the field, not on rankings!
Oiler99
10-19-2005, 07:29 PM
DOnt Be so quick to automatically assume the 1st round will be a walk in the park. Even though pearland has never beaten north shore. It will probably be a game played like last year with so much heart that you hate to see either team lose. It took chunks out of both teams comin down to the final minute. COuld explain the beatin by westfield.
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