Clemens Or San Marcos - You Pick Em'

[clemensbuff]

I would love to hear from all the people out there who are not either Clemens fans or SM fans on this one to get a better feel for what everyone else thinks on this one.

[SeguinMatadors]

I would love to hear from all the people out there who are not either Clemens fans or SM fans on this one to get a better feel for what everyone else thinks on this one.

Clemens becomes THE team of the San Antonio area this year with a dominate showing. The D is too good. James is too good. Clemens is going far in the D-2 bracket.

[KT2000]

San Marcos' defense and rushing game have been just as productive and even more so in some areas than Clemens. This is a smashmouth football fan's dream game. My breakdown will be up later when I get back to my PC around 5-5:30.

[clemensbuff]

Clemens becomes THE team of the San Antonio area this year with a dominate showing. The D is too good. James is too good. Clemens is going far in the D-2 bracket.

I'm sure that I speak for all SC fans when I say that we appreciate your comments and surely hope that you are correct on going far in D-2. And I totally agree with you on James being good (both on and off the playing field). He is an outstanding player as well as an outstanding young man. The people of this area wish for nothing but the best from him and this team and also for all of their futures. This team has a bunch of kids with tons of character and the team chemistry is as good or better than the 03' team which could help them go a long way.

[clemensbuff]

San Marcos' defense and rushing game have been just as productive and even more so in some areas than Clemens. This is a smashmouth football fan's dream game. My breakdown will be up later when I get back to my PC around 5-5:30.

What do you mean "when you get back to your PC later". You are not aloud to leave your PC, didn't anyone tell you that! LOL
I totally agree with you on SM. They have an outstanding team. I will be looking forward to your breakdown later.

[KT2000]

Should have reworded that because I'm obviously at a PC now. When I get home , I'll post the Game of the Week goodness.

[bubbacoach]

The Clemens/San Marcos game will definetly be about running the ball down the other defenses throat and playing good defense. I think defensively Clemens probably holds the edge, with San Marcos holding an edge offensively. Both have more than capable at controlling the clock with their running game, if one team falls behind, then they could be in trouble. I do not think either teams passing game can be effective coming from behind. The play action pass can be effective for either team if they are playing from ahead and their running game is effective, but not if they have to throw. I expect a low scoring game with the team that makes the fewest mistakes winning the game. If there are no turnovers and few penalties, then I will have to give Clemens the slight edge. Clemens 17-14. It will be a slugfest.

[buffbacker]

I think Clemens takes this one in a close game. I have watched Clemens play since 1980. In my opinion this is their best defense ever.

Clemens 17 San Marcos 7.

[clemensbuff]

I think Clemens takes this one in a close game. I have watched Clemens play since 1980. In my opinion this is their best defense ever.

Clemens 17 San Marcos 7.

I would agree with you on the defense being their best ever. I also beleive that the offense is improving weekly although it is truly hard to tell because of the weak teams that we've played in the last few weeks! We'll find out just how good that defense is this Friday night!

[purple_thunder]

what game is the game of the week

[clemensbuff]

what game is the game of the week

If it not's this one in the SA area, there really are some HS football morons choosing it! LOL

[clemensbuff]

Bucky, where are you, I'd like to get your thoughts on this one!

[KT2000]

Game of the Week- Wk. 8 (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/gameeight.htm)

Have at it.

[J-Rock Football]

i am choosing San Marcos fo the upset in overtime 26 - 24
GO RATTLERS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reaganrattler07]

GO RATTLERS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

Mind if I add that in my sig.....and yes, I know, I'm not stupid, I know your talking about San Marcos...but still :D

[purple_thunder]

will it be a high scoring game or low scoring game ill say low 17-14 San Marcos

[clemensbuff]

i am choosing San Marcos fo the upset in overtime 26 - 24
GO RATTLERS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So, you're saying that the Rattlers are going to get a safety on us in OT? That means that they will have to back us up 75 yards in 4 plays, since each team gets the ball at their opponents 25! LOL

[SeguinMatadors]

So, you're saying that the Rattlers are going to get a safety on us in OT? That means that they will have to back us up 75 yards in 4 plays, since each team gets the ball at their opponents 25! LOL

LMAO! I think maybe he is saying they get the ball first in whatever OT it may be, go for two and get it... you guys score and fail the two point conversion. That is one hell of a prediction.

[clemensbuff]

Game of the Week- Wk. 8 (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/gameeight.htm)

Have at it.

Hey KT2000, just to let you know Big Bo Hurley (6'6", 295) is not playing the D-Line this year. They moved him to O-Tackle before the year started because they felt this is where he will end up playing in college.

Your take on the game is right on target! Great preview, great job!

[clemensbuff]

LMAO! I think maybe he is saying they get the ball first in whatever OT it may be, go for two and get it... you guys score and fail the two point conversion. That is one hell of a prediction.

I think you're right, I must have had a serious brain fart!

[SVite]

Such great! numbers in that great defensive 25 5A,not to mention all those great offenses,to make both these teams look like state champs to be.....Jefferson,Southwest,Highlands,East Central, lets see there yearly totals.I think i`ll wait till this ones over before i do any praising!And you can throw common opponents,or we beat this team,that played them tough talk.Match up...match up ....match up....I`m not sold on either one Yet!We`ll see how both do with interim head coaches,in the playoffs.

[gobuffs04]

Hey KT2000, just to let you know Big Bo Hurley (6'6", 295) is not playing the D-Line this year. They moved him to O-Tackle before the year started because they felt this is where he will end up playing in college.

Your take on the game is right on target! Great preview, great job!

they're putting bo on defense for this game....that's what a few of my friends who are on varsity told me

[gobuffs04]

clemens takes this game although it will be a good game and probably one of the best matchups this regular season accross the state...hopefully it'll be a good game to watch cuz i want my money's worth...although a lot of people been sayin its gonna be over quick...i want clemens to win but that'd be kinda lame if it was over in the first half :confused:

[clemensbuff]

Such great! numbers in that great defensive 25 5A,not to mention all those great offenses,to make both these teams look like state champs to be.....Jefferson,Southwest,Highlands,East Central, lets see there yearly totals.I think i`ll wait till this ones over before i do any praising!And you can throw common opponents,or we beat this team,that played them tough talk.Match up...match up ....match up....I`m not sold on either one Yet!We`ll see how both do with interim head coaches,in the playoffs.

Say what you want to, but I'm sold on both Clemens and SM. We can't do a damn thing about the district we play in. You play the cards that are handed to you and do your best. SM has already proven they are for real by beating Madison this year! We have proven ourselves by dominating Roosevelt this year. And we will both prove ourselves in round 1 against 26-5a! As far as totals go, I also would not look at what we have done against the teams you listed above but I sure would count our defensive totals that we put up against Roosevelt and Waco. If you think that Waco is as bad as their record, ask Coperras Cove fans if they are really that bad!

If anyone has not proven themselves this year yet, it would be the Rangers! I have not seen you play yet, but I did see Judson and Churchill and can tell you that Clemens would beat both of them handily! When I listened to the SV game against Judson I thought that they did a great job and still do. But, if they played the same Judson team that I saw two weeks later against Churchill, then SV did not beat a true CJ team!!! They are struggling to put it mildly.

[clemensbuff]

they're putting bo on defense for this game....that's what a few of my friends who are on varsity told me

I wonder why they would do this? From all that I'm being told he is just now starting to adjust to the O-Tackle position. Did they tell you that he was going both ways? I don't see a guy his size going both ways at this point, especially when he has not even played a full game at Tackle since week two! If they are moving him, I sure as he!! hope they have a tackle to replace him that can do the job against a good SM defense!

[SeguinMatadors]

I wonder why they would do this? From all that I'm being told he is just now starting to adjust to the O-Tackle position. Did they tell you that he was going both ways? I don't see a guy his size going both ways at this point, especially when he has not even played a full game at Tackle since week two! If they are moving him, I sure as he!! hope they have a tackle to replace him that can do the job against a good SM defense!

Idk, I think it is a good move by the Buffs coaching staff. Putting a big 6'6 295 pound DT on the line can cause a lot of problems for their offense. If he can get off the ball with his size and strength and get a push into their backfield it can be disruptive to what they do.

[Hunting82]

I dont think SM misdirection offense worries Clemens that much they see these guys every year......this is who they prepare for from the start of two-a-days.......Clemens will win its a STONE COLD LOCK

[gobuffs04]

I wonder why they would do this? From all that I'm being told he is just now starting to adjust to the O-Tackle position. Did they tell you that he was going both ways? I don't see a guy his size going both ways at this point, especially when he has not even played a full game at Tackle since week two! If they are moving him, I sure as he!! hope they have a tackle to replace him that can do the job against a good SM defense!

oh god if he played both ways he'd be done b4 half time...haha he's a friggin beast but there's no way he'd go both ways...but clemens is pretty stacked at tackle position so i think what they're doin is gonna be good, it'll stir there offense up n they'll have a lot harder time moving the ball down field

[clemensbuff]

oh god if he played both ways he'd be done b4 half time...haha he's a friggin beast but there's no way he'd go both ways...but clemens is pretty stacked at tackle position so i think what they're doin is gonna be good, it'll stir there offense up n they'll have a lot harder time moving the ball down field

He is a beast for sure. My god, he's definately not one of those fat 300 pounders, he's a full grown man. He stands besides some of the guys in the 6-2 260 pound range and makes them look tiny! He looks like an NFL lineman aready! I know moving him to D-Tackle will help with the push up front, I just hope that the guy who takes his spot on the O-line can do the job good enough! I totally agree with you on how important it will be to get a push into their backfield to disrupt their offensive sceme!

[clemensbuff]

Idk, I think it is a good move by the Buffs coaching staff. Putting a big 6'6 295 pound DT on the line can cause a lot of problems for their offense. If he can get off the ball with his size and strength and get a push into their backfield it can be disruptive to what they do.

I totally agree that having BIG BO HURLEY up front on the defense could help to upset what SM does best. But, I just hope that our offense doesn't lose anything because no matter how good your defense is, you still have to put some points on the board to get the W! IMO, this could be a good move, but it also could backfire if the offense cannot control the line of scrimmage and move the ball consistently! Bottom line, it is a coaching decision which they are paid to make so I respect that! Unless of course it doesn't work and then I'll call for their heads! LOL GO BUFFS

[gobuffs04]

I totally agree that having BIG BO HURLEY up front on the defense could help to upset what SM does best. But, I just hope that our offense doesn't lose anything because no matter how good your defense is, you still have to put some points on the board to get the W! IMO, this could be a good move, but it also could backfire if the offense cannot control the line of scrimmage and move the ball consistently! Bottom line, it is a coaching decision which they are paid to make so I respect that! Unless of course it doesn't work and then I'll call for their heads! LOL GO BUFFS

i wouldn't worry about there offensive line too much...they're stacked at the position and have plenty of guys that are capable of stepping up...i doubt the coaches woulda done that if they were at all concerned about how the o line would do

[clemensbuff]

i wouldn't worry about there offensive line too much...they're stacked at the position and have plenty of guys that are capable of stepping up...i doubt the coaches woulda done that if they were at all concerned about how the o line would do

Hey gobuffs04, since you obviously played for Ferrara, what is your take on him. The little that I have spoken to him, I'm really impressed! I think that he is the man to get Clemens over the hump, whether it will be this year or not. I also beleive that the kids really respect him and like the fire that he brings. What do you think?

[gobuffs04]

Hey gobuffs04, since you obviously played for Ferrara, what is your take on him. The little that I have spoken to him, I'm really impressed! I think that he is the man to get Clemens over the hump, whether it will be this year or not. I also beleive that the kids really respect him and like the fire that he brings. What do you think?

back in 03 when he was defensive coordinator and lenhoff was coach was when i played and we went to state semis and lost to katy :mad: ...to be honest i think that if we had been under ferrara that year we woulda made it to state...no disrespect to lenhoff but ferrara is definately one of the best if not the best highschool coach in texas...no doubt clemens is gonna be a force for years to come...and the players really do respect him on and off the field...and think he's the right guy for the job

[RATTLERS316]

i think alot of folks are forgetting that San Marcos has a couple of other backs that have performed very well and the passing game is improving...at the begining of the season our pass coverage wasnt that great but they have played solid since the east central game and basically shut down a very good seguin offense...i think the difference will be coaching in this game..both teams have new head coaches and although coach van nest has been using the same system, i think he will have a few surprises for the buffalos this year and also the Rattlers are hungry not to lose for the 4th time in a row to clemens. i know clemens is a great team and henry is a great back and clemens has a big tough defense but on this night san marcos wins 27-24. ;)

[SeguinMatadors]

i think alot of folks are forgetting that San Marcos has a couple of other backs that have performed very well and the passing game is improving...at the begining of the season our pass coverage wasnt that great but they have played solid since the east central game and basically shut down a very good seguin offense...i think the difference will be coaching in this game..both teams have new head coaches and although coach van nest has been using the same system, i think he will have a few surprises for the buffalos this year and also the Rattlers are hungry not to lose for the 4th time in a row to clemens. i know clemens is a great team and henry is a great back and clemens has a big tough defense but on this night san marcos wins 27-24. ;)

No doubt SM is a really good team. I personally think they are the third best team in the area, right behind Clemens and SV.

SM has a fine defense and Walker is a good back. However, I do think they are going to struggle against Clemens; fact is, SM style relies on them having the lead. If they get in a hole, I think they will struggle. That doesn't bode well when you are playing the Buffs with James Henrys quick strike ability. He is good for three break out touchdowns a game. The key for SM is to grab an early lead. If they can do that, and at least somewhat hold James in check, they can run the clock out, with their grind it our offense, like they did against Seguin. I just don't see that happening this Friday night.

[Hunting82]

Rattlers your crazy this game will not be that high scoring.......and as far as seguin and their offense goes......they have no offense seguin has a good defense and thats why they win some games....sure they put up some big numbers against some weak teams in the distric but their are jv teams that could do that......shutting out seguin is really not that big of an accomplishment.......for example seguin 10 east central 7......come on who only scores 10 points against EC.......not a team with a good offense

[SeguinMatadors]

Rattlers your crazy this game will not be that high scoring.......and as far as seguin and their offense goes......they have no offense seguin has a good defense and thats why they win some games....sure they put up some big numbers against some weak teams in the distric but their are jv teams that could do that......shutting out seguin is really not that big of an accomplishment.......for example seguin 10 east central 7......come on who only scores 10 points against EC.......not a team with a good offense

Simply an off night. San Marcos only scored 3 against Conally, the second lowest totall of any of the teams that played Conally. Does that make all of the teams offenses who scored more against Conally better than San Marcos? No.

[clemensbuff]

i think alot of folks are forgetting that San Marcos has a couple of other backs that have performed very well and the passing game is improving...at the begining of the season our pass coverage wasnt that great but they have played solid since the east central game and basically shut down a very good seguin offense...i think the difference will be coaching in this game..both teams have new head coaches and although coach van nest has been using the same system, i think he will have a few surprises for the buffalos this year and also the Rattlers are hungry not to lose for the 4th time in a row to clemens. i know clemens is a great team and henry is a great back and clemens has a big tough defense but on this night san marcos wins 27-24. ;)

I totally disagree about a "very good seguin offense"! Seguin's offense has been and is struggling. Seguin does however have a good defense! I would agree with you that SM's defense is good, but they are not the same caliber as Clemens' defense. Who has SM played since the EC game that you can base that opinion on? If SM does win, which is a possiblity, I don't think they put up 27 points on Clemens unless we help out your cause with a boat load of turnovers! You are saying 51 points, but yet you are saying that both teams have good defenses??? If they are that good neither one should give up as many points as you are saying are going to be scored!

There is not a doubt in my mind that SM has a super offense, but a great defense beats a great offense, (just ask the Cardinals about Roy O.). LOL

It should be a smash mouth, grind it out game, with Clemens on top at the end, Hopefully! GO BUFFS

[Red Raiders]

Def. Clemens

[Hunting82]

Look I know your a seguin fan and theres nothing wrong with that....hell i like them to....but I work with the guy that video tapes all of there games and he personally told me that seguins offense is not very good at all

[clemensbuff]

Look I know your a seguin fan and theres nothing wrong with that....hell i like them to....but I work with the guy that video tapes all of there games and he personally told me that seguins offense is not very good at all

Hunting82, SeguinMatador did not post that Seguin had a good offense, Rattlers316 did.

[SeguinMatadors]

Look I know your a seguin fan and theres nothing wrong with that....hell i like them to....but I work with the guy that video tapes all of there games and he personally told me that seguins offense is not very good at all

I have seen ever game Seguin has played this year. I am not saying they are a great offense but it isnt as bad as 10 points on EC. That is all I am saying. I personally think this is a better offense than last year.

[Go Buffs]

i know clemens is a great team and henry is a great back and clemens has a big tough defense but on this night san marcos wins 27-24. ;)
There is no way Clemens ends up with a score that indicates a successful field goal. Our field goal kicking game the last few years is so weak that the refs start their "kick no good" arm crossing movement as soon as the ball is snapped! :D

[SeguinMatadors]

There is no way Clemens ends up with a score that indicates a successful field goal. Our field goal kicking game the last few years is so weak that the refs start their "kick no good" arm crossing movement as soon as the ball is snapped! :D

LMAO.

[rattlerbacker]

There is no way Clemens ends up with a score that indicates a successful field goal. Our field goal kicking game the last few years is so weak that the refs start their "kick no good" arm crossing movement as soon as the ball is snapped! :D

Have y'all perfected the fake FG play or do you just go for it straight up on 4th down? ;)

[Go Buffs]

Have y'all perfected the fake FG play or do you just go for it straight up on 4th down? ;)
Neither, we're determined to kick one. We won't give up. The odds say that, sooner or later, one's just gotta sneak (or bounce) through the uprights! :D

[SeguinMatadors]

Neither, we're determined to kick one. We won't give up. The odds say that, sooner or later, one's just gotta sneak (or bounce) through the uprights! :D

It is amazing how some teams can't find a kicker out of 2,000 kids in a school sometimes. That is the one thing that Seguin always seems to have, a good kicker. Problem this year is our long snapper is terrible and we were forced to move the holder up a yard which increases the odds of a blocked kick.

[rattlerbacker]

Gotta admire that determination! :cool:

[Go Buffs]

rattlerbacker, I'm really anxious to get this game going tomorrow. I want to see how much the Clemens offense has improved this season and this will give us a much better barometer of playoff chances.

My son asks before every game what are Clemens' chances of victory. This week he asked/guessed 50-50? I told him I'm looking at 60-40 Clemens, but to be prepared for a very much possible Rattler win.

My key to the game...Clemens offense...holding on to the ball and doing something with it. Is the offense better or not? There have been glimpses of a varied offense. Have the coaches been holding stuff back for games like this?

[Go Buffs]

It is amazing how some teams can't find a kicker out of 2,000 kids in a school sometimes. That is the one thing that Seguin always seems to have, a good kicker. Problem this year is our long snapper is terrible and we were forced to move the holder up a yard which increases the odds of a blocked kick.
Very true. It seems like it'd be so simple to enlist the help of the soccer coaches to identify candidates years in advance and keep a steady stream going. We haven't had a really good one since Scott Liddle(soccer player)about 6 years ago.

[SeguinMatadors]

Very true. It seems like it'd be so simple to enlist the help of the soccer coaches to identify candidates years in advance and keep a steady stream going. We haven't had a really good one since Scott Liddle(soccer player)about 6 years ago.

Seems resonable to me. Idk, maybe it is harder than we think and don't give kickers enough credit.

[Go Buffs]

Seems resonable to me. Idk, maybe it is harder than we think and don't give kickers enough credit.
I'm sure it is, but I see programs that seemingly always have good kicking games. That would indicate to me that a program would have to consider the kicking game as a priority, rather than just luck into good kickers now and then.

[SeguinMatadors]

I'm sure it is, but I see programs that seemingly always have good kicking games. That would indicate to me that a program would have to consider the kicking game as a priority, rather than just luck into good kickers now and then.

True. Actually, this year Seguin didn't have a kicker so Coach Carson went and got a kid who wasn't on the squad to be solely a kicker. Carson doesn't usually do that, but he was kickerless and the only way Ryan would kick is if he didn't have to play another position too (not trying to make him seem like a wimp, he is just wise, his future is in golf).

[rattlerbacker]

Have the coaches been holding stuff back for games like this?

I'm sure they have, on both sides. As much as both teams will play to their strengths of running the ball and defense it may be the unexpected that wins the day.

60-40 sounds about right to me. As good as the Buffs defense may be this year, even in 2003 the Rattlers were able to move the ball, they were done in by turnovers in the first half and a big botched play in the second half.

[Go Buffs]

That's all for me tonight. If I don't make it back in tomorrow, good luck rattlerbacker. Hope everybody plays their best and comes out healthy and the fans have a good time, even as crowded and cramped as I think it will be!

Talk to you guys after the game, if not before.

[RATTLERS316]

Rattlers your crazy this game will not be that high scoring.......and as far as seguin and their offense goes......they have no offense seguin has a good defense and thats why they win some games....sure they put up some big numbers against some weak teams in the distric but their are jv teams that could do that......shutting out seguin is really not that big of an accomplishment.......for example seguin 10 east central 7......come on who only scores 10 points against EC.......not a team with a good offense
i stick by my prediction....i think both offenses will open up tomorrow night and we will see some things we havent seen yet this year about both teams...even though we shut seguin out i felt like they did a good job of execution...i think both Henry and walker will have good totals but i know San Marcos wants this game bad so i still say 27-24 san marcos...call me crazy but i stick by it...if im wrong im wrong and wont be afraid to admit it

[clemensbuff]

i stick by my prediction....i think both offenses will open up tomorrow night and we will see some things we havent seen yet this year about both teams...even though we shut seguin out i felt like they did a good job of execution...i think both Henry and walker will have good totals but i know San Marcos wants this game bad so i still say 27-24 san marcos...call me crazy but i stick by it...if im wrong im wrong and wont be afraid to admit it

I also think that we are going to see a few different wrinkles appear for each offense tonight. But the bottom line is that whoever dominates the line of scrimmage and doesn't commit turnovers will walk out with the win! I can see where you're coming from when you say that SM wants this game bad because of the three straight losses to Clemens, but don't think for a minute that these Clemens boys care one bit about any of those wins (only us crazy fans care about the past). These kids are playing for themselves and for now! Both they and the coaches are looking at this one as the chance to complete a 10-0 season! This should be a great game tonight!

SC 21 SM 14

[bubbacoach]

What about them Chargers!

[RATTLERS316]

I also think that we are going to see a few different wrinkles appear for each offense tonight. But the bottom line is that whoever dominates the line of scrimmage and doesn't commit turnovers will walk out with the win! I can see where you're coming from when you say that SM wants this game bad because of the three straight losses to Clemens, but don't think for a minute that these Clemens boys care one bit about any of those wins (only us crazy fans care about the past). These kids are playing for themselves and for now! Both they and the coaches are looking at this one as the chance to complete a 10-0 season! This should be a great game tonight!

SC 21 SM 14
i know the past is the past but it does provide for great motivation to win this one...this will be my last post until the game is over...gonna leave here at 2pm and stop somewhere there and eat...any recomendations? :rolleyes: good luck to both teams

[Hunting82]

La Tortillita

[SeguinMatadors]

La Tortillita

Oh man, I think I am going to go eat some La Tortillita tonight!

[clemensbuff]

i know the past is the past but it does provide for great motivation to win this one...this will be my last post until the game is over...gonna leave here at 2pm and stop somewhere there and eat...any recomendations? :rolleyes: good luck to both teams

La Tortillita. Just take FM 3009 to FM 78 and go left. Go 1 mile towards Cibolo and it is on the right side of 78. It is about 1 1/2 miles from the stadium. Great Authentic Mexican food at a great price.

[clemensbuff]

La Tortillita. Just take FM 3009 to FM 78 and go left. Go 1 mile towards Cibolo and it is on the right side of 78. It is about 1 1/2 miles from the stadium. Great Authentic Mexican food at a great price.

I forgot to tell you, get the PUFFY TACOS!!!!!!!!

[DiamondJ2]

Clemens 31 SM 28; costly turnovers hurt the Rattlers in the end. No, wait it's SM31 SC 28; costly turnovers hurt the Buffs in the end. Is there another choice? Should be one heck of a game.