Appeal to all Judson fans, players, and coaches

[lonny23]

A lot of what I've read lately bothers me. I would've loved to have been a full-time Judson fan since the 70's, but I didn't get to live in SA back then. Regardless of the teasing I sometimes get, you know I'm a real fan and I'd like to make an appeal to everybody.

I think change can be a good thing and going into the year I thought the new offense would be a good thing. It hasn't been working out, but I can't say it's the coaches fault. I hear the players haven't bought into the system and that's wrong. Regardless of how successful Judson has been through the years, you can't fight the coaches to get your way or the old system back. You have to run their offense and put your complete effort into it. EVERYBODY has to be on the same page and that's all I ask of you.

I don't want to see anybody giving up and that includes the players, coaches, and fans. I was at the Bowie game in Kyle when the Rockets had a chance to go out in Round 1 in 2002. It took a late score, a blocked extra point, and a blocked FG, but they won and moved on. I was there the next week when Clark took th Rockets to OT. I sure enough was there for the title game when nobody gave up.

2003 was a terrible year, but nobody gave up then, either. When Clemens and Madison ran all over you, you kept your composure. I was there for the Roosevelt game in the cold that kept the winning season streak alive and ruined their undefeated season. That's the kind of effort I'm looking for and I want the fans to believe. I know I believed in 2002 when it looked bad.

Fans, we need to support the team. They need to hear us cheer. I wish I could be there to do my part.

I want to see Rocket Pride win these last 3 games. The district is tough, but Judson players have pride drilled into them and just need to let it out on Friday night.

[jrdaniel]

I support them with Rocket Pride if what was on the field was indeed Rocket Pride. I don't believe Judson will continue to a Permian-like demise, but some growing pains are on the way. It is hard to watch something you have been so used to for 20+ years change and produce results that are less than average.

I kept looking at this year like Smithson Valley last year. Install a new offense, maybe take a little time to get used to it, but perfect it and run it like the Judson O of the past. Now I realize it isn't all about the plays. It is the style of offense the Rockets ran before and the attitude we had in running the plays. Everything was perfectly lined up: tempo, plays, attitude, conditioning, pride, etc. It all composed the Judson offense. Every single one of those things seems to have changed and that doesn't equal success in one season.

This might have been the way things had to go, due to the drop in attendance, so I have to reserve judgement on the coaching until a couple years down the line. I have a friend that is a Jefferson fan and he supports his team, so I think more of the problem with Judson fans - myself included - is being spoiled. Sorry Judson, sorry lonny, I WILL attend more games this year!

[mad_fan]

JR, I like your attitude (better than Lonny's). Of course, I would only say that this week. :)

[lonny23]

I support them with Rocket Pride if what was on the field was indeed Rocket Pride. I don't believe Judson will continue to a Permian-like demise, but some growing pains are on the way. It is hard to watch something you have been so used to for 20+ years change and produce results that are less than average.

I kept looking at this year like Smithson Valley last year. Install a new offense, maybe take a little time to get used to it, but perfect it and run it like the Judson O of the past. Now I realize it isn't all about the plays. It is the style of offense the Rockets ran before and the attitude we had in running the plays. Everything was perfectly lined up: tempo, plays, attitude, conditioning, pride, etc. It all composed the Judson offense. Every single one of those things seems to have changed and that doesn't equal success in one season.

This might have been the way things had to go, due to the drop in attendance, so I have to reserve judgement on the coaching until a couple years down the line. I have a friend that is a Jefferson fan and he supports his team, so I think more of the problem with Judson fans - myself included - is being spoiled. Sorry Judson, sorry lonny, I WILL attend more games this year!
I know it's hard to watch. I haven't watched them that long and haven't seen them at all this year, but it's hard to hear about it.

He has to be a fan if he goes to all the Jefferson games! :D

[BRUCEBANNER]

I Too Graduated From Judson (90) And Have Watched The Changing Of The Guard. My Only Problem Is Why Would The Coaches Hire Coaches(excluding Soto) Who Do Not Have A Good Track Record Of Winning Outside The Regular Season. Madison Never Made It To State, The New Braunfels Coach Sure Didn't, So Why Hire Them. Why Keep It In The "family" Of Central Texas And Not Go Out And Hire A Coach With A Proven Track Record To Become Coach. You Cannot Tell Me That Their Aren't Coaches Throughout Texas And Even The Nation Who Would Have Wanted To Coach For Judson. Also What With The "fake" Spread Offense? As Everyone Knows (nebraska) You Cannot Totally Scrap A Offense And Install A New Offense And Expect It To Work With The Old Players. Judson's Offense Has Been Working Since The Late 70's, Why Not Add A Couple Of Tight End Plays Like Michigan And Gradually Change. Dance With The Girl Who Brung You. Also Please Fire Rackley, He Hasn't Won With His Players, The Last State Championship Was With The Left Overs Of Rutledge

[Bucky]

I Too Graduated From Judson (90) And Have Watched The Changing Of The Guard. My Only Problem Is Why Would The Coaches Hire Coaches(excluding Soto) Who Do Not Have A Good Track Record Of Winning Outside The Regular Season. Madison Never Made It To State, The New Braunfels Coach Sure Didn't, So Why Hire Them. Why Keep It In The "family" Of Central Texas And Not Go Out And Hire A Coach With A Proven Track Record To Become Coach. You Cannot Tell Me That Their Aren't Coaches Throughout Texas And Even The Nation Who Would Have Wanted To Coach For Judson. Also What With The "fake" Spread Offense? As Everyone Knows (nebraska) You Cannot Totally Scrap A Offense And Install A New Offense And Expect It To Work With The Old Players. Judson's Offense Has Been Working Since The Late 70's, Why Not Add A Couple Of Tight End Plays Like Michigan And Gradually Change. Dance With The Girl Who Brung You. Also Please Fire Rackley, He Hasn't Won With His Players, The Last State Championship Was With The Left Overs Of Rutledge


Coach Roades played for a state championship at New Braunfels in 2002.

The guys that Rackley won with were Sophmores when Rutledge retired. At a big 5A school..Rutledge had very little contact with the soph's.. He was the coach and he did have an impact on them but Rackley won with a program that included Jeter and Gibbons. Rackley is a good coach and will get things going. Rhodes and Manglod are both good caoches and good men..so I dont think you are correct in you evaluation. Their program is not working right now but that is mainly because its different. And the players are not adjusting very well. Give them time..they will make it..The problem is that for this season ..there isnt much time left to get it straight...

[TexasRed6x]

I Too Graduated From Judson (90) And Have Watched The Changing Of The Guard. My Only Problem Is Why Would The Coaches Hire Coaches(excluding Soto) Who Do Not Have A Good Track Record Of Winning Outside The Regular Season. Madison Never Made It To State, The New Braunfels Coach Sure Didn't, So Why Hire Them. Why Keep It In The "family" Of Central Texas And Not Go Out And Hire A Coach With A Proven Track Record To Become Coach. You Cannot Tell Me That Their Aren't Coaches Throughout Texas And Even The Nation Who Would Have Wanted To Coach For Judson. Also What With The "fake" Spread Offense? As Everyone Knows (nebraska) You Cannot Totally Scrap A Offense And Install A New Offense And Expect It To Work With The Old Players. Judson's Offense Has Been Working Since The Late 70's, Why Not Add A Couple Of Tight End Plays Like Michigan And Gradually Change. Dance With The Girl Who Brung You. Also Please Fire Rackley, He Hasn't Won With His Players, The Last State Championship Was With The Left Overs Of Rutledge

I am sorry, but a changing of the guard is what might be needed here. I have been able to see all 7 games and if and that's a big if I would have seen any improvment in the offense I would at least tell everyone that. I just cannot say that and it hit a all time low Friday night. I also realize it is hard to "accept" what is ahead but it is starting to happen here. I will always think highly of Judson and it's fans but something is wrong and if you dig deep inside you all know if you have gone to all seven games it is getting worse when for 20 years Judson starts to peek now. We can all sit and cheer loud, louder and scream to top of our lungs, but something is deadly wrong here and I would like to know who it starts with. I really can accept losing IF I se a little fire, but to lose and not care I do not go for that.

[Reaganrattler07]

I'll support Judson for one or two games...but that last game is ours!

[eingedikid]

In many ways this really does remind me of 1981.

http://www.geocities.com/eingedi.geo/judson_record.html#judson1981
Judson was mired at 4-3 following a 10-3 win over San Marcos. The defense in Def Coord Rutledge's second year was doing well enough, but the offense was struggling mightily in Parker's second year as OC. Against SM Judson limited them to 150 yards, but unfortunately the offense had only 62 yards---57 on the ground and 5 in the air. Judson scored on a short FG after recovering a fumble on the opening kickoff, then in the 4th qtr scored on a 50-yard run by JJ Lewis. You can figure out the math w/r how much offense Judson had before (and after) that play. Things looked ominous indeed what with an undefeated TR looming next, but beginning with the TR game, history would be made. But going into that game, many people were starting to seriously question just what Frank Arnold and his newly arrived crew were trying to do, especially since the overall offensive performance up to that point was very offensive, if you get my drift .
http://www.geocities.com/eingedi.geo/1981.html

The Red Sea didn't look like it was going to part until it actually parted. Up to that point, the people stuck on the beach thought they were permanently screwed, and were *****ing at their leader for bringing them out there. But, thanks to the faith of Moses, history would be made. Now we're left trying to put our faith in the team representing another Moses---as in Moses Judson High School. There is still hope, although it certainly doesn't look good---so far

[Alamo_Mojo]

[QUOTE=jrdaniel]I support them with Rocket Pride if what was on the field was indeed Rocket Pride. I don't believe Judson will continue to a Permian-like demise, but some growing pains are on the way. It is hard to watch something you have been so used to for 20+ years change and produce results that are less than average.

Same song 2nd verse... I feel your HOPE and your pain all at the same time. Its not easy hoping each year your team will battle back to WHAT THEY ONCE WERE - like I do. In some earlier post I read where Coaching/Personal was a part of Rocket success. I would agree to the "T" this reminds me of Mojo's NEW coaching take over in the early 90's. The system was still there but the conductors had moved on. As the case in Converse - but it sounds like OLD SCHOOL is out over there / and NEW SCHOOL IS IN and the natives are restless. Losing is contagious just as winning, therefore, hope and pray this is just a bad year! Three tallies in the lost column is unheard of in ROCKETLAND. You really can't see the demise comming until 10 years later after the fact! Right now ALL eyes are turned in Rackey's direction which normal. Permian Like demise? Good Possibility?

[Slim-Rob]

I Too Graduated From Judson (90) And Have Watched The Changing Of The Guard. My Only Problem Is Why Would The Coaches Hire Coaches(excluding Soto) Who Do Not Have A Good Track Record Of Winning Outside The Regular Season. Madison Never Made It To State, The New Braunfels Coach Sure Didn't, So Why Hire Them. Why Keep It In The "family" Of Central Texas And Not Go Out And Hire A Coach With A Proven Track Record To Become Coach. You Cannot Tell Me That Their Aren't Coaches Throughout Texas And Even The Nation Who Would Have Wanted To Coach For Judson. Also What With The "fake" Spread Offense? As Everyone Knows (nebraska) You Cannot Totally Scrap A Offense And Install A New Offense And Expect It To Work With The Old Players. Judson's Offense Has Been Working Since The Late 70's, Why Not Add A Couple Of Tight End Plays Like Michigan And Gradually Change. Dance With The Girl Who Brung You. Also Please Fire Rackley, He Hasn't Won With His Players, The Last State Championship Was With The Left Overs Of Rutledge

I agree with a lot of what your saying, except for firing Rackley. That is the dumnest thing I have ever heard. I guess last year was Rutledge too? I don't think so

[BRUCEBANNER]

look, i'm not saying rocket pride is dead in any way. what i am saying is that this is not the right way. i've been at the games since before the "immaculate reception" against churchill. i was there against willowridge,reagan,marshall,tx,carter,aldine,even midland. the only difference is that the judson system was known but unstoppable. look at the nfl champs, not spread, college, not spread. heck the spread didn't help slc beat sv. judson's offense was fine, remember guy anderson use to hold the record for most passing yards in a state game. the coaches judson hired aren't big game coaches, why not get katy's asst, or longview, heck even carters. why not start clean, do you really think the coaches at wagner will do as good except for the fact they have the better players. oh and by the way, rutledge never won a championship by "luck" his wins were decisive. if midlands coach would have played full prevent rackley would be 0-1 in state, and t
at's probably how he'll stay since he'll never return there

[bullrock]

It's easy for people on the outside to second guess what we are talking about when we say "Rocket Football". The only thing they get from those two words are fear. There is no doubt Judson has set a new standard for teams in San Antonio to match or beat. This will be hard to do as fast as all sectors of the area are growing. Most will split long before the split at Judson occrrued during thier great run. getting back to Rocket Football, if you aint been there, it's hard to explain. The ones who have, know what they're seeing and it aint what we're used to seeing. I suppose if we give it time, it might turn into something good, but it will never be the "Rocket Ball' we speak of today. I have and will probably always be a Judson fan. I have no choice but to be patient with what's taking place, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I also believe Rackley has the ability to get the most out of his players. If this split is going to do anything, it will solidify the new Rocket Community even though there will be less of us. Maybe in time we will be happy with what they are trying to accomplish. I know all of this sounds like bandwagoners jumping off the wagon. That's not it at all. We have never experienced a perfect season and are not used to it. Losing is part of the game. We can take that. What we don't tolerate is the attitude this new team has adopted, whether it's the coaches fault or not. Face it, those kids are influenced by thier coaches and if they aren't getting through to them then there is a breakdown in the system. That's all we are seeing. If you don't want to give it your best then you will never achieve your best. That's all we are asking for. As far as Judson losing it's fans, that is something that will never take place in the generation I come from.

[eingedikid]

What we don't tolerate is the attitude this new team has adopted, whether it's the coaches fault or not.
I think one thing that seemed so foreign to me to watch was how, when Churchill was driving down-field to go up 14-0, at one point it was 4th and long (Churchill converted), and while the clock was stopped before the play on which Churchill converted, the players on the sidelines started prancing and dancing to that crappy crunk-style Hip Hop, that the cheerleaders' crew insisted on dubbing into the sound system the other night, as the best (or now maybe only?) way they apparently knew in which to get pumped up. Crunk has always struck me as merely southern-fried gangsta. The Rocketball style I felt characterized the team and the spirit in the past was always some upbeat old-school Hip Hop (pre-Nineteen-Naughty-Three/'93) and relatively clean but not prudish or stodgy either----even by today's "standards." I've always said Old-school works any time. Now they seem to have gone gangsta on us, and you see where it's gotten them.

[TexasRed6x]

It's easy for people on the outside to second guess what we are talking about when we say "Rocket Football". The only thing they get from those two words are fear. There is no doubt Judson has set a new standard for teams in San Antonio to match or beat. This will be hard to do as fast as all sectors of the area are growing. Most will split long before the split at Judson occrrued during thier great run. getting back to Rocket Football, if you aint been there, it's hard to explain. The ones who have, know what they're seeing and it aint what we're used to seeing. I suppose if we give it time, it might turn into something good, but it will never be the "Rocket Ball' we speak of today. I have and will probably always be a Judson fan. I have no choice but to be patient with what's taking place, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I also believe Rackley has the ability to get the most out of his players. If this split is going to do anything, it will solidify the new Rocket Community even though there will be less of us. Maybe in time we will be happy with what they are trying to accomplish. I know all of this sounds like bandwagoners jumping off the wagon. That's not it at all. We have never experienced a perfect season and are not used to it. Losing is part of the game. We can take that. What we don't tolerate is the attitude this new team has adopted, whether it's the coaches fault or not. Face it, those kids are influenced by thier coaches and if they aren't getting through to them then there is a breakdown in the system. That's all we are seeing. If you don't want to give it your best then you will never achieve your best. That's all we are asking for. As far as Judson losing it's fans, that is something that will never take place in the generation I come from.

Bullrock where you at the game on Friday? I agree with you when you say WE won't tolerate the attitude of these kids. I know one of the the players parents and she has told me that Porter is a great runningback and even the kids what him to play, but Rackley keeps telling him its about the seniors. It's getting kinda late to keep waiting on a bumch of non hungry seniors who look like they don't care.

[Slim-Rob]

Bullrock where you at the game on Friday? I agree with you when you say WE won't tolerate the attitude of these kids. I know one of the the players parents and she has told me that Porter is a great runningback and even the kids what him to play, but Rackley keeps telling him its about the seniors. It's getting kinda late to keep waiting on a bumch of non hungry seniors who look like they don't care.

Porter IS pretty good, but he hasn't proved it to the coaches yet. As far as Rackley telling him it is all about the seniors, that is a load of crap. All of the seniors that start deserve to start. Alfred McDaniels doesn't look that good, but if our offensive line would pick it up, he would be a top back in San Antonio. I'm not saying Porter wouldn't be, but its not McDaniels' fault.

[BRUCEBANNER]

bullrock,
for you to say those outside the system don't know. i've probably been in the system longer than you've been alive. i knew players from chris pryor to parker towery and vincent kyle, to jerod douglas, brent mccullom and even worked with guy anderson. i never said i wouldn't be a fan, i've been a fan since 76'. what i'm saying is that rackley has "mack brown disease" if he didn't have young he would be terrible. he's a great recruiter and motivator but terrible coach. look at rackley's record outside of judson! i never said judson wouldn't bounce back but it's not going to happen with rackley. maybe they should have hired jinks or rutledge jr instead. rocket pride will never die but it does need an infusion of new blood

[bubbacoach]

bullrock,
for you to say those outside the system don't know. i've probably been in the system longer than you've been alive. i knew players from chris pryor to parker towery and vincent kyle, to jerod douglas, brent mccullom and even worked with guy anderson. i never said i wouldn't be a fan, i've been a fan since 76'. what i'm saying is that rackley has "mack brown disease" if he didn't have young he would be terrible. he's a great recruiter and motivator but terrible coach. look at rackley's record outside of judson! i never said judson wouldn't bounce back but it's not going to happen with rackley. maybe they should have hired jinks or rutledge jr instead. rocket pride will never die but it does need an infusion of new blood

Not to call you a moron but,you really are way off base. When is the last time you actually talked to one of the Judson coaches or players? I will tell you this right now, no one has had big game experience until they have been in a big game. Rackley did not win the State Championship in 2002 with Rutledges kids, he won them with his kids, mind you, a bunch of kids that were convinced to believe (by Rackley and his coaches) and then went out and over achieved. I know I was there. As far as Rackley's record outside of Judson, Who cares? That is the past and as all good coaches do they learn from their experience and they grow from them. You say they should hire Junks. LOL, LMAO. What about his head coaching record? He has been a head coach one year, and he did not exactly turn the football world upside down. Oh yea, and as a coordinator he really made Lee successful. Wait maybe you are talking about his accomplishments at Austin Crockett. As for Rutledge Jr. (his name is Clint by the way) he ain't his daddy, not the same fire,not the same drive. Great guy but not a head coach. I to know Guy Anderson, Richard Mendoza, Parker Towery, Jerod Douglas, Chris Pryor, Robert Bruce, Charlie Bruce, Mark Soto, would you like me to go on. These guys were all Judson Rockets before the change, and they will tell you that it is different, but they will also tell you, that change takes time. Judson has been depleted by injuries, discipline, and grades this year. Injuries happen and that is part of the game and sometimes they are so great it is hard to overcome them. Hell, they have a fourth string J.V. outside linebacker being forced to play nose right now, because of these problems. As far as, discipline and grades go, that's on the kids. Unfortunately, kids make choices and they are not always the best choices and we as coaches have to try to figure out how to overcome them. Rackley is the right coach for the job, he is going through a tough year, and you as a fan should back him not kick him while he is down. Because next year, when they are 7-0 at this point, he will be a genuis in your eyes and it will just prove you know absolutly nothing about the game. It is easy to sit in the stands and dog someone, but if you can't do better yourself, SHUT UP! Let the coaches do their job, be patient, and let the experts handle what is going on at Judson. Remember, he was probably a horrible coach when they missed the playoffs in 2003. And then a genuis last year when they went to the semi-finals. :mad:

[clemensbuff]

Not to call you a moron but,you really are way off base. When is the last time you actually talked to one of the Judson coaches or players? I will tell you this right now, no one has had big game experience until they have been in a big game. Rackley did not win the State Championship in 2002 with Rutledges kids, he won them with his kids, mind you, a bunch of kids that were convinced to believe (by Rackley and his coaches) and then went out and over achieved. I know I was there. As far as Rackley's record outside of Judson, Who cares? That is the past and as all good coaches do they learn from their experience and they grow from them. You say they should hire Junks. LOL, LMAO. What about his head coaching record? He has been a head coach one year, and he did not exactly turn the football world upside down. Oh yea, and as a coordinator he really made Lee successful. Wait maybe you are talking about his accomplishments at Austin Crockett. As for Rutledge Jr. (his name is Clint by the way) he ain't his daddy, not the same fire,not the same drive. Great guy but not a head coach. I to know Guy Anderson, Richard Mendoza, Parker Towery, Jerod Douglas, Chris Pryor, Robert Bruce, Charlie Bruce, Mark Soto, would you like me to go on. These guys were all Judson Rockets before the change, and they will tell you that it is different, but they will also tell you, that change takes time. Judson has been depleted by injuries, discipline, and grades this year. Injuries happen and that is part of the game and sometimes they are so great it is hard to overcome them. Hell, they have a fourth string J.V. outside linebacker being forced to play nose right now, because of these problems. As far as, discipline and grades go, that's on the kids. Unfortunately, kids make choices and they are not always the best choices and we as coaches have to try to figure out how to overcome them. Rackley is the right coach for the job, he is going through a tough year, and you as a fan should back him not kick him while he is down. Because next year, when they are 7-0 at this point, he will be a genuis in your eyes and it will just prove you know absolutly nothing about the game. It is easy to sit in the stands and dog someone, but if you can't do better yourself, SHUT UP! Let the coaches do their job, be patient, and let the experts handle what is going on at Judson. Remember, he was probably a horrible coach when they missed the playoffs in 2003. And then a genuis last year when they went to the semi-finals. :mad:

Great post Bubbacoach. I think you are exactly right about Rackley and what is going on with Judson this year. There is no doubt whatsoever that the challenge will become harder to remain the dominant Judson that they have been the past 20+ years with Wagner opening up, but if anyone can keep Judson a top notched program through this change, it is definately coach Rackley! He is a great coach and even greater man.

On coach Jinks, what kind of head coach do you think that he will make at Steele? I was very surprised when Lenholf hired him for the job. I thought that they would shoot for someone with more experience or someone from within the district. However, I'm hearing great things about him already. From what I hear, the kids really like and respect him (and that equates to beleiving in what he says) and so do the parents.

[bubbacoach]

Great post Bubbacoach. I think you are exactly right about Rackley and what is going on with Judson this year. There is no doubt whatsoever that the challenge will become harder to remain the dominant Judson that they have been the past 20+ years with Wagner opening up, but if anyone can keep Judson a top notched program through this change, it is definately coach Rackley! He is a great coach and even greater man.

On coach Jinks, what kind of head coach do you think that he will make at Steele? I was very surprised when Lenholf hired him for the job. I thought that they would shoot for someone with more experience or someone from within the district. However, I'm hearing great things about him already. From what I hear, the kids really like and respect him (and that equates to beleiving in what he says) and so do the parents.
He may be young and not have alot of head coaching experience, but he will grow with the program. If he has the kids and the parents backing him he will be fine. Give him time and he will be a very good caoch at Steele.

[bullrock]

I agree. Jinks wil be a good coach. He has already won two important battles. Getting the fans behind him and having his players believe in what he is doing. I think that is the problem at Judson and it will take time. I can see why the coaching staff at Judson would want to change thier playbooks. Wagner will also have to come up with a different philosophy because the coaching staff at both schools knew the old one. Knowing the plays and executing them with desire are two different things. Maybe it's a lot more difficult than most of us realize.
Now to Bruce. I'd like to think I wasn't around while you were witnessing games in the seventies. The fact is I was. I can probably recall some names you haven't thought of in a while. Humke (76), Masters (70; 71), do I need to keep going? Don't think you are the only old timer watching the Rockets. Fact is, there are more of us than there are new ones. That's one of the reasons this program has been so strong for so long. I look at the SLC program today and I see the Rocket program 25 years ago. True, we didn't win as many titles as quickly as they have, but I see the fire in the Dragon Nation and I know exactly where they are and where they're headed. 25 years from now they'll be on this board talking about the great teams of the turn of the century and there will be kids thinking" are these guys for real"? Time flies by. Enjoy every day because they will be history tommorrow.

[eingedikid]

Time flies by. Enjoy every day because they will be history tommorrow.

"All we are is dust in the wind"...."all glory is fleeting."

[Reaganrattler07]

"all glory is fleeting."

Patton quoted that from the Romans, didn't he?

[eingedikid]

Patton quoted that from the Romans, didn't he?

Yes

[bubbacoach]

Didn't Patton use to be the head trainer at the University formerly known as SWT.

[BRUCEBANNER]

unlike you i will refrain from name calling, i also was not "calling out names" bullrock said i didn't know the system i was just showing him i did. now as far as your reply, it does matter what their previous records are, if it didn't you would not have mentioned jinks results at other schools. i know he got more out of those players than their previous coaches. second did you ever here me say i wouldn't be a fan NO! rackley is not right for the job because he's "SILK" meaning to soft he's a great motivator and fire in the heart coach but i don't believe the players respect him otherwise they wouldn't be on the sideline getting "crunk" they would be paying attention. i never say a soul train dance line when rutledge coached. also, i know his name is clint, i was just joking, he was the coach at judson last year right, was up in the box calling down suggested plays and making adjustments right, they made it to the semi's right, who makes those calls now right, apparently no one because i haven't seen any adjustments. rackley is a good coach just not a good judson coach but you'll realize that when they lose most of their games left this year. if they go undefeated or win state or whatever you said for next year i will never post again.guess i'll see you in the stands friday, you'll probably be the one crying!
"FIRST WE MUST TRULY UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE THREAT"
:mad:

[Bucky]

bullrock,
for you to say those outside the system don't know. i've probably been in the system longer than you've been alive. i knew players from chris pryor to parker towery and vincent kyle, to jerod douglas, brent mccullom and even worked with guy anderson. i never said i wouldn't be a fan, i've been a fan since 76'. what i'm saying is that rackley has "mack brown disease" if he didn't have young he would be terrible. he's a great recruiter and motivator but terrible coach. look at rackley's record outside of judson! i never said judson wouldn't bounce back but it's not going to happen with rackley. maybe they should have hired jinks or rutledge jr instead. rocket pride will never die but it does need an infusion of new blood

What do you do for a living Bruce? I would like to examine your success in your career field, as you seem so ready to do that to Rackley. In 2002..Jim Rackley was THE BEST coach in the State of Texas in High school football. As for what he did elsewhere..who cares is right... Art Briles was the best coach in the world when he was at stephenville...before that I believe he got run out of town where he was before stephenville. It happens all the time. Lets put your career stats out here for all to see mr banner and we can compare them to coach rackley..who you want so badly to fire. Just my opinion :cool:

[eingedikid]

I think what frequently happens is what's true about what Bum Phillips once said:
"There are two kinds of coaches---those that have been fired and those that are going to be."

Sometimes the situation even for a very good coach deteriorates to the point that you have to do a CTRL-ALT-DEL and start over, because somehow there are times when even the best coach can no longer get control of a particular situation, and for their own sake and the sake of the team it's best to move on, where the coach will probably still do well somewhere else, and the former team will continue to do well after a new regime puts a new system in place. I'm not necessarily ready to admit this is the situation at Judson yet. Although I like a bunch of other people am concerned about certain aspects of what I'm seeing and feeling, time will literally tell for sure whether or not the chemistry is no longer right for whatever number of reasons.

[SLCDad]

I look at the SLC program today and I see the Rocket program 25 years ago. True, we didn't win as many titles as quickly as they have, but I see the fire in the Dragon Nation and I know exactly where they are and where they're headed. 25 years from now they'll be on this board talking about the great teams of the turn of the century and there will be kids thinking" are these guys for real"? Time flies by. Enjoy every day because they will be history tommorrow.Actually, the Dragon Nation does remember the good days of 20 years ago. SLC was beginning the longest regular season winning streak in Texas history and was beginning the era of their first 3 state championships. The more things change, the more they seem the same.

[bubbacoach]

unlike you i will refrain from name calling, i also was not "calling out names" bullrock said i didn't know the system i was just showing him i did. now as far as your reply, it does matter what their previous records are, if it didn't you would not have mentioned jinks results at other schools. i know he got more out of those players than their previous coaches. second did you ever here me say i wouldn't be a fan NO! rackley is not right for the job because he's "SILK" meaning to soft he's a great motivator and fire in the heart coach but i don't believe the players respect him otherwise they wouldn't be on the sideline getting "crunk" they would be paying attention. i never say a soul train dance line when rutledge coached. also, i know his name is clint, i was just joking, he was the coach at judson last year right, was up in the box calling down suggested plays and making adjustments right, they made it to the semi's right, who makes those calls now right, apparently no one because i haven't seen any adjustments. rackley is a good coach just not a good judson coach but you'll realize that when they lose most of their games left this year. if they go undefeated or win state or whatever you said for next year i will never post again.guess i'll see you in the stands friday, you'll probably be the one crying!
"FIRST WE MUST TRULY UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE THREAT"
:mad:
I said, I was not calling you a moron. which means I did not call you a name. I was bringing up Jink's previous record to prove my point that past records do not matter. "Silk" is smooth and some of the most expensive fabric out there? If when you say getting "crunk" meaning getting excited and showing emotion on the sideline, you must have not have been to many games in the Rutledge era. Do you know how frustrated Clint would get on his suggestions last year when they were not used. More often than not. The man calling the plays last year was Coach Jeter. Did I say they were going to win any of their games the rest of this year? And as far as seeing me in the stands crying, I will see you, I already know who you are. You are the fan that has nothing good to say, thinks you know the difference between a toss and a sweep or bootleg and a sprint out, but truly have no clue. And please do not call yourself a Judson Rocket Fan if you are not behind them all the time. Call yourself a bandwagoner, because it sounds to me like you are with them in the good times and ready to jump ship as soon as a small leak appears. :mad:

[LoneRocket]

When Coach Rackley was at Southwest I believe he had a winning record competing against the North side ISD schools. A lot of us can credit part of our personal success to his leadership. He can motivate and he can swing that pine also. (LOL)

[lonny23]

Not to call you a moron but,you really are way off base. When is the last time you actually talked to one of the Judson coaches or players? I will tell you this right now, no one has had big game experience until they have been in a big game. Rackley did not win the State Championship in 2002 with Rutledges kids, he won them with his kids, mind you, a bunch of kids that were convinced to believe (by Rackley and his coaches) and then went out and over achieved. I know I was there. As far as Rackley's record outside of Judson, Who cares? That is the past and as all good coaches do they learn from their experience and they grow from them. You say they should hire Junks. LOL, LMAO. What about his head coaching record? He has been a head coach one year, and he did not exactly turn the football world upside down. Oh yea, and as a coordinator he really made Lee successful. Wait maybe you are talking about his accomplishments at Austin Crockett. As for Rutledge Jr. (his name is Clint by the way) he ain't his daddy, not the same fire,not the same drive. Great guy but not a head coach. I to know Guy Anderson, Richard Mendoza, Parker Towery, Jerod Douglas, Chris Pryor, Robert Bruce, Charlie Bruce, Mark Soto, would you like me to go on. These guys were all Judson Rockets before the change, and they will tell you that it is different, but they will also tell you, that change takes time. Judson has been depleted by injuries, discipline, and grades this year. Injuries happen and that is part of the game and sometimes they are so great it is hard to overcome them. Hell, they have a fourth string J.V. outside linebacker being forced to play nose right now, because of these problems. As far as, discipline and grades go, that's on the kids. Unfortunately, kids make choices and they are not always the best choices and we as coaches have to try to figure out how to overcome them. Rackley is the right coach for the job, he is going through a tough year, and you as a fan should back him not kick him while he is down. Because next year, when they are 7-0 at this point, he will be a genuis in your eyes and it will just prove you know absolutly nothing about the game. It is easy to sit in the stands and dog someone, but if you can't do better yourself, SHUT UP! Let the coaches do their job, be patient, and let the experts handle what is going on at Judson. Remember, he was probably a horrible coach when they missed the playoffs in 2003. And then a genuis last year when they went to the semi-finals. :mad:
Todd Dodge wasn't that great before he got to SLC. None of their fans care what he did before he came to the Dragons!

[lonny23]

unlike you i will refrain from name calling, i also was not "calling out names" bullrock said i didn't know the system i was just showing him i did. now as far as your reply, it does matter what their previous records are, if it didn't you would not have mentioned jinks results at other schools. i know he got more out of those players than their previous coaches. second did you ever here me say i wouldn't be a fan NO! rackley is not right for the job because he's "SILK" meaning to soft he's a great motivator and fire in the heart coach but i don't believe the players respect him otherwise they wouldn't be on the sideline getting "crunk" they would be paying attention. i never say a soul train dance line when rutledge coached. also, i know his name is clint, i was just joking, he was the coach at judson last year right, was up in the box calling down suggested plays and making adjustments right, they made it to the semi's right, who makes those calls now right, apparently no one because i haven't seen any adjustments. rackley is a good coach just not a good judson coach but you'll realize that when they lose most of their games left this year. if they go undefeated or win state or whatever you said for next year i will never post again.guess i'll see you in the stands friday, you'll probably be the one crying!
"FIRST WE MUST TRULY UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE THREAT"
:mad:
I think a lot of the players would run through walls for Rackley. As much as Judson was the old guys who left, Rackley is a big part of Judson being Judson. Don't throw him under the bus yet. If Judson let him go, there would be other schools lining up to hire him. He DID win a state title.

[lonny23]

What do you do for a living Bruce? I would like to examine your success in your career field, as you seem so ready to do that to Rackley. In 2002..Jim Rackley was THE BEST coach in the State of Texas in High school football. As for what he did elsewhere..who cares is right... Art Briles was the best coach in the world when he was at stephenville...before that I believe he got run out of town where he was before stephenville. It happens all the time. Lets put your career stats out here for all to see mr banner and we can compare them to coach rackley..who you want so badly to fire. Just my opinion :cool:
Bruce, I want you to know that Bucky played for Rackley. I bet SFA Football would say the same thing and he played for Rackley, too. Where's Stud 79 at?

[clemensbuff]

I think a lot of the players would run through walls for Rackley. As much as Judson was the old guys who left, Rackley is a big part of Judson being Judson. Don't throw him under the bus yet. If Judson let him go, there would be other schools lining up to hire him. He DID win a state title.

I agree that there are plenty of schools that would scoop him up in a heart beat, and for good reason. He's a hell of a coach who can change a average or bad program into a good one. But even more important, he can change the lives of the young men that he comes in contact with!

[bubbacoach]

Looks like your out numbered brucebanner

[Reaganrattler07]

Didn't Patton use to be the head trainer at the University formerly known as SWT.

I was referring to Gen. George S. Patton....

[TexasRed6x]

I agree. Jinks wil be a good coach. He has already won two important battles. Getting the fans behind him and having his players believe in what he is doing. I think that is the problem at Judson and it will take time. I can see why the coaching staff at Judson would want to change thier playbooks. Wagner will also have to come up with a different philosophy because the coaching staff at both schools knew the old one. Knowing the plays and executing them with desire are two different things. Maybe it's a lot more difficult than most of us realize.
Now to Bruce. I'd like to think I wasn't around while you were witnessing games in the seventies. The fact is I was. I can probably recall some names you haven't thought of in a while. Humke (76), Masters (70; 71), do I need to keep going? Don't think you are the only old timer watching the Rockets. Fact is, there are more of us than there are new ones. That's one of the reasons this program has been so strong for so long. I look at the SLC program today and I see the Rocket program 25 years ago. True, we didn't win as many titles as quickly as they have, but I see the fire in the Dragon Nation and I know exactly where they are and where they're headed. 25 years from now they'll be on this board talking about the great teams of the turn of the century and there will be kids thinking" are these guys for real"? Time flies by. Enjoy every day because they will be history tommorrow.

How do know Humke? I too remember going to bi-district games against Hondo, Stockdale as well. The times have been very good to Judson and have enjoyed the past 25 years. I can recall going to Austin just to scout teams that Judson would be playing in the playoffs with a couple of die hard Judson fans. IT is trying times right now and would agree that the season is not yet over. I just wish they would not have let some of the coaches now coaching for other teams get away. At present there are problems, but I hope that things can get worked out here and it may take until next year for the new system to set in. I will also say that with 3 O-line starters out 2 that played every game last year, it is very hard to replace them. I for one have to admit that I and we but stay positive and see what happens over the next 3 weeks.

[LoneRocket]

You guys forgot about Anthony Hutchinson.

[bullrock]

No i didn't I just couldn't recall his name. I was going to name him Mr. Boysville of '78 but I didn't think that would be appropriate.

[RocketQB]

Not to call you a moron but,you really are way off base. When is the last time you actually talked to one of the Judson coaches or players? I will tell you this right now, no one has had big game experience until they have been in a big game. Rackley did not win the State Championship in 2002 with Rutledges kids, he won them with his kids, mind you, a bunch of kids that were convinced to believe (by Rackley and his coaches) and then went out and over achieved. I know I was there. As far as Rackley's record outside of Judson, Who cares? That is the past and as all good coaches do they learn from their experience and they grow from them. You say they should hire Junks. LOL, LMAO. What about his head coaching record? He has been a head coach one year, and he did not exactly turn the football world upside down. Oh yea, and as a coordinator he really made Lee successful. Wait maybe you are talking about his accomplishments at Austin Crockett. As for Rutledge Jr. (his name is Clint by the way) he ain't his daddy, not the same fire,not the same drive. Great guy but not a head coach. I to know Guy Anderson, Richard Mendoza, Parker Towery, Jerod Douglas, Chris Pryor, Robert Bruce, Charlie Bruce, Mark Soto, would you like me to go on. These guys were all Judson Rockets before the change, and they will tell you that it is different, but they will also tell you, that change takes time. Judson has been depleted by injuries, discipline, and grades this year. Injuries happen and that is part of the game and sometimes they are so great it is hard to overcome them. Hell, they have a fourth string J.V. outside linebacker being forced to play nose right now, because of these problems. As far as, discipline and grades go, that's on the kids. Unfortunately, kids make choices and they are not always the best choices and we as coaches have to try to figure out how to overcome them. Rackley is the right coach for the job, he is going through a tough year, and you as a fan should back him not kick him while he is down. Because next year, when they are 7-0 at this point, he will be a genuis in your eyes and it will just prove you know absolutly nothing about the game. It is easy to sit in the stands and dog someone, but if you can't do better yourself, SHUT UP! Let the coaches do their job, be patient, and let the experts handle what is going on at Judson. Remember, he was probably a horrible coach when they missed the playoffs in 2003. And then a genuis last year when they went to the semi-finals. :mad:

To say a person is a moron because their OPINION is different from yours would make you look like what? Rackley was not a genius last year when they went to the semi-finals, he had excellent players who were already part of a program that worked! As a matter of fact, Judson should have made it to state, but with some of the bad plays Rackley called, that did not happen. That's part of coaching--taking chances. As for the changes in the Judson program, why not promote coaches who were part of the existing staff? Why go on the outside when you had a great program (a program that many other schools in the area copied)? Anyways, I don't believe Judson is really losing a lot of fans. Some fans are becoming supporters of the new school, Wagner HS. Their children attend and play on either the freshman or JV team, so their support is with the children's school. By the way, look out for Wagner to be a powerhouse. They are a good team with great former Judson HS coaches. All in all, I realize it is difficult to fathom Judson in a losing situation. It is something we have not been used to seeing for many, many years. Just look at this year as a transition period, and hopefully the coaches can tweak the program and be back on track next season. So what if they don't make the playoffs this season, they can still be proud to have won state many times. That is something a lot of teams will never be able to say! :)

[winagain]

some of you guys are dumb_sses who don't know the first thing about doing anything other than spouting off on this board. i've followed judson football forever and that includes following the coaches who have left to go elsewhere. alot of great ones, including parker, booker, padron, jinks. one of those coaches was rackley, who went to southwest in the late eighties after he was the offensive coordinator at judson. for those of you who say he wasn't successful when he coached elsewhere, your just an idiot.

when rackley went to southwest, his team was put in the same district as clark, marshall, holmes, taft, jay, etc. at that time, that district was clearly the toughest district in san antonio--much better at that time than mac, madison, churchill, roosevelt, etc.

anyway, rackley achieved the unthinkable by making southwest a real contender in that district -- they made the playoffs and beat marshall (the year that marshall had priest holmes and n.d. kalu and went to the state finals and lost to permian). southwest also beat jay (going into that game, jay was the usa today #1 ranked team in the nation). southwest also beat holmes back when holmes was a power-house in san antonio.

so don't give me this b.s. about rackley not winning anywhere else. to all you doubters, you are just showing that you are a bunch of idiots. and you are also showing that you are fair weather fans and judson can do without you.

rackley and the rest of the judson coaches will get things back on track, i promise. the old staff at judson was very good, of course, but the new one will prove themselves before its over with. rhodes is a great coach -- he took n.b. to state a few years ago. mangold is a great coach too. sometimes things just take time, but he'll get the offense going.

[LoneRocket]

A friend of mine tried to put it in perspective for me, he said when Nebraska went from an option to a spread offense. They had growing pains and so we are going to have those same pains. Maybe Rackley is looking at the kids he is going to have in the future and that is why the change.

[TexasRed6x]

some of you guys are dumb_sses who don't know the first thing about doing anything other than spouting off on this board. i've followed judson football forever and that includes following the coaches who have left to go elsewhere. alot of great ones, including parker, booker, padron, jinks. one of those coaches was rackley, who went to southwest in the late eighties after he was the offensive coordinator at judson. for those of you who say he wasn't successful when he coached elsewhere, your just an idiot.

when rackley went to southwest, his team was put in the same district as clark, marshall, holmes, taft, jay, etc. at that time, that district was clearly the toughest district in san antonio--much better at that time than mac, madison, churchill, roosevelt, etc.

anyway, rackley achieved the unthinkable by making southwest a real contender in that district -- they made the playoffs and beat marshall (the year that marshall had priest holmes and n.d. kalu and went to the state finals and lost to permian). southwest also beat jay (going into that game, jay was the usa today #1 ranked team in the nation). southwest also beat holmes back when holmes was a power-house in san antonio.

so don't give me this b.s. about rackley not winning anywhere else. to all you doubters, you are just showing that you are a bunch of idiots. and you are also showing that you are fair weather fans and judson can do without you.

rackley and the rest of the judson coaches will get things back on track, i promise. the old staff at judson was very good, of course, but the new one will prove themselves before its over with. rhodes is a great coach -- he took n.b. to state a few years ago. mangold is a great coach too. sometimes things just take time, but he'll get the offense going.

The time is ticking, believe me. I feel he will be given onwe more chance here because of the split of the two schools. If things are the same way as this year then I do not feel he will be back. I hope for the sake of the program that he can, but its 50-50.

[bubbacoach]

To say a person is a moron because their OPINION is different from yours would make you look like what? Rackley was not a genius last year when they went to the semi-finals, he had excellent players who were already part of a program that worked! As a matter of fact, Judson should have made it to state, but with some of the bad plays Rackley called, that did not happen. That's part of coaching--taking chances. As for the changes in the Judson program, why not promote coaches who were part of the existing staff? Why go on the outside when you had a great program (a program that many other schools in the area copied)? Anyways, I don't believe Judson is really losing a lot of fans. Some fans are becoming supporters of the new school, Wagner HS. Their children attend and play on either the freshman or JV team, so their support is with the children's school. By the way, look out for Wagner to be a powerhouse. They are a good team with great former Judson HS coaches. All in all, I realize it is difficult to fathom Judson in a losing situation. It is something we have not been used to seeing for many, many years. Just look at this year as a transition period, and hopefully the coaches can tweak the program and be back on track next season. So what if they don't make the playoffs this season, they can still be proud to have won state many times. That is something a lot of teams will never be able to say! :)
Some of you guys read as well as you talk about football. Read the first line again "Not to call you a moron" In other words, I think you are completely off base and I am telling you this without calling you a moron. And as far as last years team being a state caliber team, you are right for the most part, but Judson was missing a QB. The QB they had was one hell of a kicker, but he could not handle any pressure to save his life. I believe he threw an interception in the semi's that was returned for a touchdown. If they would have had a QB that could handle big game pressure they might have gone to state. Kyle and the defense carried Judson as far as they could. You cannot be one dimensional on offense and expect to win it all.

[lonny23]

Some of you guys read as well as you talk about football. Read the first line again "Not to call you a moron" In other words, I think you are completely off base and I am telling you this without calling you a moron. And as far as last years team being a state caliber team, you are right for the most part, but Judson was missing a QB. The QB they had was one hell of a kicker, but he could not handle any pressure to save his life. I believe he threw an interception in the semi's that was returned for a touchdown. If they would have had a QB that could handle big game pressure they might have gone to state. Kyle and the defense carried Judson as far as they could. You cannot be one dimensional on offense and expect to win it all.
Bubba, that's a big part of it. I still think the Westfield defense was fast enough to keep Fox from scoring on the plays he scored on all year.

[LoneRocket]

Bubba, that's a big part of it. I still think the Westfield defense was fast enough to keep Fox from scoring on the plays he scored on all year.
He was ran down by a linebacker, he even had a good head start.

[lonny23]

He was ran down by a linebacker, he even had a good head start.
That's telling because people didn't catch Fox, EVER! I couldn't go to the game. Crap,they might've won if I'd gone. My bad luck for the team started last year. They beat Roosevelt when I listened to the game on the radio, but I couldn't listen any other week.

[TexasRed6x]

That's telling because people didn't catch Fox, EVER! I couldn't go to the game. Crap,they might've won if I'd gone. My bad luck for the team started last year. They beat Roosevelt when I listened to the game on the radio, but I couldn't listen any other week.


IT would not have mattered it is totally the CURSE of the SPURS, I told very early in the season that it was going to happen and BAM it has. Lets do not blame these kids is is Popovich's fault, it kind of take's the heat away from Rackley.


GO Spurs GO

[Bucky]

That's telling because people didn't catch Fox, EVER! I couldn't go to the game. Crap,they might've won if I'd gone. My bad luck for the team started last year. They beat Roosevelt when I listened to the game on the radio, but I couldn't listen any other week.


I think he got run down from behind by the O'connor LB as well. I think I saw that early in the game..

[lonny23]

A lot of what I've read lately bothers me. I would've loved to have been a full-time Judson fan since the 70's, but I didn't get to live in SA back then. Regardless of the teasing I sometimes get, you know I'm a real fan and I'd like to make an appeal to everybody.

I think change can be a good thing and going into the year I thought the new offense would be a good thing. It hasn't been working out, but I can't say it's the coaches fault. I hear the players haven't bought into the system and that's wrong. Regardless of how successful Judson has been through the years, you can't fight the coaches to get your way or the old system back. You have to run their offense and put your complete effort into it. EVERYBODY has to be on the same page and that's all I ask of you.

I don't want to see anybody giving up and that includes the players, coaches, and fans. I was at the Bowie game in Kyle when the Rockets had a chance to go out in Round 1 in 2002. It took a late score, a blocked extra point, and a blocked FG, but they won and moved on. I was there the next week when Clark took th Rockets to OT. I sure enough was there for the title game when nobody gave up.

2003 was a terrible year, but nobody gave up then, either. When Clemens and Madison ran all over you, you kept your composure. I was there for the Roosevelt game in the cold that kept the winning season streak alive and ruined their undefeated season. That's the kind of effort I'm looking for and I want the fans to believe. I know I believed in 2002 when it looked bad.

Fans, we need to support the team. They need to hear us cheer. I wish I could be there to do my part.

I want to see Rocket Pride win these last 3 games. The district is tough, but Judson players have pride drilled into them and just need to let it out on Friday night.
It started with a Madison loss, but it sure looks great now!:D