how Real is Madison in YOUR opinion?

[In The Bag Is Mad]

They are atop the 26-5A of course...but seriously....are they really meant to be there. Im sure most of you guys have been to their games. Now, they have played some good teams in the distrct like Churchill and Reagan, but...They haven't played the Rocks or the Rangers. Obviously Im questioning Madison's playability. Are they better then last year? Or are they atop the district just purely because of the madness thats happening their district, and somehow they've escaped it. I for one, I really don't know how real Madison is. this upcoming game is a time to prove themselves. They got a fast QB and RB. Chris Caflisch and Tony Green.

[Reaganrattler07]

They are atop the 26-5A of course...but seriously....are they really meant to be there. Im sure most of you guys have been to their games. Now, they have played some good teams in the distrct like Churchill and Reagan, but...They haven't played the Rocks or the Rangers. Obviously Im questioning Madison's playability. Are they better then last year? Or are they atop the district just purely because of the madness thats happening their district, and somehow they've escaped it. I for one, I really don't know how real Madison is. this upcoming game is a time to prove themselves. They got a fast QB and RB. Chris Caflisch and Tony Green.

Due to a few recent events....I want the Mavs to dismantle the Rangers. I think they'll be better this year. They'll be able to split with either SV or Judson....I think they have a better chance with Judson, but I think Madison can beat SV. Madison is probably looking to straighten out Macarthur from last year...and if Lonny is right about Streety....expect a high scoring game!....especialy if it's just one side scoring.

[In The Bag Is Mad]

Due to a few recent events....I want the Mavs to dismantle the Rangers. I think they'll be better this year. They'll be able to split with either SV or Judson....I think they have a better chance with Judson, but I think Madison can beat SV. Madison is probably looking to straighten out Macarthur from last year...and if Lonny is right about Streety....expect a high scoring game!....especialy if it's just one side scoring.


haha, he won't call the dogs off on this one

[Reaganrattler07]

haha, he won't call the dogs off on this one

Probably not....

[bubbacoach]

From what I seen of Streety is that he will run the score every opportunity he can. I do not think they will be able to run up the score on the Judson defense. That is if the offense gives them a chance to rest every now and then.

[Reaganrattler07]

From what I seen of Streety is that he will run the score every opportunity he can. I do not think they will be able to run up the score on the Judson defense. That is if the offense gives them a chance to rest every now and then.

We were talking about Macarthur...

[In The Bag Is Mad]

From what I seen of Streety is that he will run the score every opportunity he can. I do not think they will be able to run up the score on the Judson defense. That is if the offense gives them a chance to rest every now and then.

we were talking about the mac game....
on the judson game they prolly can't run up the score
unless J Roc is just doing horrible

[bubbacoach]

Sorry, but I do not think they can run it up on Mac either.

[bubbacoach]

Mac's offense should spend alot of time on the field limiting Madisons chances

[In The Bag Is Mad]

Mac's offense should spend alot of time on the field limiting Madisons chances

...that made me laugh almost as much as the time i found out I was banned lol....

but seriously, Mac is not looking good at this very moment, and believe me Jim Streety WILL run up the score, Madison is brahma blood thirsty

[Reaganrattler07]

Sorry, but I do not think they can run it up on Mac either.

I think it's easier than you think. From what I've seen Mac has a decent running game but they rely a lot on screen passing and midrange passing. I've seen very few long balls. And because Madison is a running team it is more likely that Madison can hold on to the ball for a greater amount of time....just my opinion.

[In The Bag Is Mad]

just my opinion


hmm...Another person with an opinion...wow
nothing against you skins, It's just I was banned for posting my opinion

[Reaganrattler07]

...that made me laugh almost as much as the time i found out I was banned lol....

but seriously, Mac is not looking good at this very moment, and believe me Jim Streety WILL run up the score, Madison is brahma blood thirsty

I haveta agree.....although Fuschak didn't run the score up last year....Streety probably won't show as much mercy. Which, as much as I don't agree with running up the score....it's good to see your own team dominate.

[Reaganrattler07]

hmm...Another person with an opinion...wow
nothing against you skins, It's just I was banned for posting my opinion

I've missed a few days and I seem to miss a lot......I've only caught up with like 5% of stuff....and to everyone who cares, I will move into the college/pro threads at a later time. I always start off with high school.

But from what I've seen....you haven't done anything wrong.

[bubbacoach]

That is exactly what I am saying. Mac does not have a quick strike offense allowing them to hold onto the ball. It will limit both teams posessions and whichever team scores with their opportunities will win.

[Reaganrattler07]

That is exactly what I am saying. Mac does not have a quick strike offense allowing them to hold onto the ball. It will limit both teams posessions and whichever team scores with their opportunities will win.

...well duh, thats the whole point, bubba!

But Madison's defense is good, I will give them that. And as the game progresses, I really think the Mavs will blitz more and more....judging from what happened when Mac played Reagan.

[In The Bag Is Mad]

I've missed a few days and I seem to miss a lot......I've only caught up with like 5% of stuff....and to everyone who cares, I will move into the college/pro threads at a later time. I always start off with high school.

But from what I've seen....you haven't done anything wrong.


for real, I haven't
and I just want my Its In The Bag sn back, I had a nice amt of posts there like 100 or something, lol. Still...I want sn back, I'll probably be banned later on this afternoon for making this sn. So you know hopefully you guys could fight for me, but I dont expect much. Anyways back on topic, I agree with the Mac mid range passes. If madison can use Devon Thomas to his full rushing the QB affect, we could have a nice game

[mad_fan]

Not as real as '84 or '01.

[sv ranger]

But Madison's defense is good, I will give them that. And as the game progresses, I really think the Mavs will blitz more and more....judging from what happened when Mac played Reagan.[/QUOTE]

there defense must not be to good to let lee score

[mad_fan]

If we still had Waters, the O might even be worth talking about. :mad:

[lonny23]

Due to a few recent events....I want the Mavs to dismantle the Rangers. I think they'll be better this year. They'll be able to split with either SV or Judson....I think they have a better chance with Judson, but I think Madison can beat SV. Madison is probably looking to straighten out Macarthur from last year...and if Lonny is right about Streety....expect a high scoring game!....especialy if it's just one side scoring.
The only problem is Judson's defense is too good for Streety to score like he wants to.

[lonny23]

...that made me laugh almost as much as the time i found out I was banned lol....

but seriously, Mac is not looking good at this very moment, and believe me Jim Streety WILL run up the score, Madison is brahma blood thirsty
Streety sure will try to run up the score if he can! :D

[lonny23]

Not as real as '84 or '01.
Not as real as 2002, either. Madison is good, but they don't have the dominating offense they had with Gutierrez and Gary Green. It's real hard to call the district right now. Madison might go undefeated in district, but they can easily lose the next 3.

[Reaganrattler07]

Streety sure will try to run up the score if he can! :D

Against Mac...oh yeah

[Reaganrattler07]

But Madison's defense is good, I will give them that. And as the game progresses, I really think the Mavs will blitz more and more....judging from what happened when Mac played Reagan.

there defense must not be to good to let lee score[/QUOTE]

They couldn't let a lot of offenses score. Unless Lee beats Madison....I'll be surprised, but Madison probably went in looking a lil too far ahead...it doesn't matter, the Mavs have beaten some quality teams.

[zippy]

All I know is last year they were suppose to rock SV accourding to everyone at that school. It looks like they will on paper this year just like it did last year. I was real nervous going into that game last year. Their athletes were a lot better than SV. The outcome?
Madison lost 42-6 The game was over in the first quarter. The 6 came against the 2nd and 3rd teams. I think both Judson and SV will beat them. This year the scores will be closer than they were last year however, and I would say I am just a nervous, but SV will "Find a Way"

[Reaganrattler07]

All I know is last year they were suppose to rock SV accourding to everyone at that school. It looks like they will on paper this year just like it did last year. I was real nervous going into that game last year. Their athletes were a lot better than SV. The outcome?
Madison lost 42-6 The game was over in the first quarter. The 6 came against the 2nd and 3rd teams. I think both Judson and SV will beat them. This year the scores will be closer than they were last year however, and I would say I am just a nervous, but SV will "Find a Way"

I'm with Madison on this one....they're at least a respectable team.

[mad_fan]

Streety sure will try to run up the score if he can! :D

you are like an elephant...look at some of the scores being laid out around the SA area and you will see that that is not true.

[mad_fan]

Not as real as 2002, either. Madison is good, but they don't have the dominating offense they had with Gutierrez and Gary Green. It's real hard to call the district right now. Madison might go undefeated in district, but they can easily lose the next 3.


I lumped 01 and 02 together, we have so few contenders I shouldnt do that. :D

[Gridiron Gopher]

Guys, I don't know how many Mac games you have seen but they are a quick strike offense. They have 6 Td's on passes (30 or more yds) down field and they have 9TD's from 46 yds or more. Craig has 6 of them, Richards 1, Odom 1 and Westbrook 1. While they will throw short passes, it is based on what the defense will allow. Five of Craig's TD's have come from screens or runs. The rest of them were long passes not screen and a KO TD by Craig. Reagan was the one team that played them straight up on the WR's and it paid off. SV try to not allow the deep pass by playing a lot of zone and dropping LB's back in coverage and Mac put up 220 yds rushing with Udell having 115 of them on 11 carries. They only passed for 131yds because they didn't need to pass. The run was wide open. The way you stop Mac is play your CB's in man and keep the pressure on the QB. Not many teams have shown they can do that. Most teams have a weak CB and LB's that are strong run stoppers playing the run but weak against pass coverage. All of the Mac WR's and Craig have speed. You have to be able to cover 4 WR's and Craig out of the backfield. That's were I give Reagan credit. Now we get to see if Churchill can do it. Everyone keeps waiting for Mac to go back to the way they were but this offense allows them to score on every play. They are no longer run, run for 2yds and then try to pass for a first down. It's fun to watch and has made them very competitive. If your secondary is not strong, you are going to give up some points.

[Reaganrattler07]

Guys, I don't know how many Mac games you have seen but they are a quick strike offense. They have 6 Td's on passes (30 or more yds) down field and they have 9TD's from 46 yds or more. Craig has 6 of them, Richards 1, Odom 1 and Westbrook 1. While they will throw short passes, it is based on what the defense will allow. Five of Craig's TD's have come from screens or runs. The rest of them were long passes not screen and a KO TD by Craig. Reagan was the one team that played them straight up on the WR's and it paid off. SV try to not allow the deep pass by playing a lot of zone and dropping LB's back in coverage and Mac put up 220 yds rushing with Udell having 115 of them on 11 carries. They only passed for 131yds because they didn't need to pass. The run was wide open. The way you stop Mac is play your CB's in man and keep the pressure on the QB. Not many teams have shown they can do that. Most teams have a weak CB and LB's that are strong run stoppers playing the run but weak against pass coverage. All of the Mac WR's and Craig have speed. You have to be able to cover 4 WR's and Craig out of the backfield. That's were I give Reagan credit. Now we get to see if Churchill can do it. Everyone keeps waiting for Mac to go back to the way they were but this offense allows them to score on every play. They are no longer run, run for 2yds and then try to pass for a first down. It's fun to watch and has made them very competitive. If your secondary is not strong, you are going to give up some points.

From what I've heard...Churchill has a weak secondary. Seems quite a few teams have been able to run on Smithson Valley though.

[Gridiron Gopher]

Churchill's secondary was an issue at the beginning of the year but they haven't played a pass oriented offense since Marshall. I'm sure they are better now.
I also agree with you on SV from what I've seen but here's were they are better then say Mac or Reagan. Their defense plays better in the red zone. That's been the difference in most of their games. They take advantage of the other teams mistakes or make you kick FG's more then you would like. The defense bends but doesn't break (as much) as others.

[Mac Is Back]

I think it's easier than you think. From what I've seen Mac has a decent running game but they rely a lot on screen passing and midrange passing. I've seen very few long balls. And because Madison is a running team it is more likely that Madison can hold on to the ball for a greater amount of time....just my opinion.

They put that one away with Roosevelt. Not to say anything concerning Madison, but The Eric Udell-Jonathan Craig passing tandem that night was murder. But no, not many long passes. I think Fuschak is being conservative with Mac's passing game, to limit long passes until they're necessary (Ryan Loftin's 61 yard gain on 4th and 15 against Reagan? I think so)

Mac has shown that they can score on anyone. The question is, can they exploit that against defensively strong teams like Madison?

[Mac Is Back]

Guys, I don't know how many Mac games you have seen but they are a quick strike offense. They have 6 Td's on passes (30 or more yds) down field and they have 9TD's from 46 yds or more. Craig has 6 of them, Richards 1, Odom 1 and Westbrook 1. While they will throw short passes, it is based on what the defense will allow. Five of Craig's TD's have come from screens or runs. The rest of them were long passes not screen and a KO TD by Craig. Reagan was the one team that played them straight up on the WR's and it paid off. SV try to not allow the deep pass by playing a lot of zone and dropping LB's back in coverage and Mac put up 220 yds rushing with Udell having 115 of them on 11 carries. They only passed for 131yds because they didn't need to pass. The run was wide open. The way you stop Mac is play your CB's in man and keep the pressure on the QB. Not many teams have shown they can do that. Most teams have a weak CB and LB's that are strong run stoppers playing the run but weak against pass coverage. All of the Mac WR's and Craig have speed. You have to be able to cover 4 WR's and Craig out of the backfield. That's were I give Reagan credit. Now we get to see if Churchill can do it. Everyone keeps waiting for Mac to go back to the way they were but this offense allows them to score on every play. They are no longer run, run for 2yds and then try to pass for a first down. It's fun to watch and has made them very competitive. If your secondary is not strong, you are going to give up some points.

Mac was 3rd in PPG last time I checked for 26-5A. I could be off, I might be off, but it was something like that. Point is, I like what this guy has to say. :D

Churchill's defense should be interesting to see if they can pressure Udell. Gopher, have you any thoughts on the possible outcome? I'm beyond curious

[Reaganrattler07]

Churchill's secondary was an issue at the beginning of the year but they haven't played a pass oriented offense since Marshall. I'm sure they are better now.
I also agree with you on SV from what I've seen but here's were they are better then say Mac or Reagan. Their defense plays better in the red zone. That's been the difference in most of their games. They take advantage of the other teams mistakes or make you kick FG's more then you would like. The defense bends but doesn't break (as much) as others.

The Madison red zone defense is a killer.......SV's I don't think is as good....but still good.

[Mac Is Back]

The Madison red zone defense is a killer.......SV's I don't think is as good....but still good.

SV plays better D in the endzone. Two interceptions off Udell and whoever else cost Mac the game against the Rangers. Subtract those two interceptions, and it would have been 35-28 Mac. Potentially. The same thing led to a one touchdown loss last year as well.

[Reaganrattler07]

Double post

[Reaganrattler07]

They put that one away with Roosevelt. Not to say anything concerning Madison, but The Eric Udell-Jonathan Craig passing tandem that night was murder. But no, not many long passes. I think Fuschak is being conservative with Mac's passing game, to limit long passes until they're necessary (Ryan Loftin's 61 yard gain on 4th and 15 against Reagan? I think so)

Mac has shown that they can score on anyone. The question is, can they exploit that against defensively strong teams like Madison?

Oh wow, you all hit a touchdown....too bad you couldn't stop Greg. He had the Mac fans screaming bloody murder....

Maybe Fuschak doesn't trust in long range passing. But my advice to you....don't question Fuschak, he's far more knowledgable than you.

[Reaganrattler07]

SV plays better D in the endzone. Two interceptions off Udell and whoever else cost Mac the game against the Rangers. Subtract those two interceptions, and it would have been 35-28 Mac. Potentially. The same thing led to a one touchdown loss last year as well.

And if I were 6'4", 210, and ran a 4.2 and could throw 60 yards on average, I'd be one of the most popular guys around, wouldn't I?

Reagan fumbled and missed a field goal against SV, two missed opportunities, am I crying over it? No. Cause if your team is that good, then you can overcome it.

[Reaganrattler07]

Mac was 3rd in PPG last time I checked for 26-5A. I could be off, I might be off, but it was something like that. Point is, I like what this guy has to say. :D

Churchill's defense should be interesting to see if they can pressure Udell. Gopher, have you any thoughts on the possible outcome? I'm beyond curious

The only thing that matters about PPG....is that it's higher than the other team.

[Mac Is Back]

Oh wow, you all hit a touchdown....too bad you couldn't stop Greg. He had the Mac fans screaming bloody murder....

Maybe Fuschak doesn't trust in long range passing. But my advice to you....don't question Fuschak, he's far more knowledgable than you.

"All hit a touchdown"? what is that supposed to mean? Anyway, the point is, when Mac loses (this season ONLY) they lose by no more than a touchdown (22-20 loss to Reagan, 28-21 loss to SV). Can Reagan say the same? Hmm....

I wasn't questioning Fuschak. He's actually the only coach at Mac I like, besides Honeycutt, who is a riot in the form of a seventy year old man.

Back to the topic at hand, I wasn't questioning him, but merely offering an explanation for Mac's lack of long range passing. :D

[Reaganrattler07]

"All hit a touchdown"? what is that supposed to mean? Anyway, the point is, when Mac loses (this season ONLY) they lose by no more than a touchdown (22-20 loss to Reagan, 28-21 loss to SV). Can Reagan say the same? Hmm....

I wasn't questioning Fuschak. He's actually the only coach at Mac I like, besides Honeycutt, who is a riot in the form of a seventy year old man.

Back to the topic at hand, I wasn't questioning him, but merely offering an explanation for Mac's lack of long range passing. :D

Do they teach reading and comprehension at Mac? Hopefully they do cause all my friends at Mac can read what I say.

YOU-ALL-HIT-A-TOUCHDOWN.....do you seriously not understand that? Let me break it down further. A player, took the ball, ran to the zone at the end of the field, in a futile attempt to tie the game. Maybe futile is too big a word - pointless.

If I were Fuschak, I'd go to the new school when it opens....get some of the talent that Reagan has and build them up.

Your season isn't over yet, so I wouldn't be boasting about "not losing by more than a touchdown"

[Mac Is Back]

Do they teach reading and comprehension at Mac? Hopefully they do cause all my friends at Mac can read what I say.

YOU-ALL-HIT-A-TOUCHDOWN.....do you seriously not understand that? Let me break it down further. A player, took the ball, ran to the zone at the end of the field, in a futile attempt to tie the game. Maybe futile is too big a word - pointless.

If I were Fuschak, I'd go to the new school when it opens....get some of the talent that Reagan has and build them up.

Your season isn't over yet, so I wouldn't be boasting about "not losing by more than a touchdown"

Well considering my day today, I'm not exactly at the peak of my comprehension skills. Believe me.

I could have sworn I said this season so far...if not that's what I meant.

Reading and comprehension cracks. Despite being rated "academically unacceptable" for totally asinine reasons, the majority of Mac's student body scored in the "above-standard" level last year on the reading and writing portions of the TAKS. Problem was, the school board took into consideration the ALE student's scores which hampered Mac's performance. Some protest was organized, but no further news on it has come up. So regardless of how sarcastic the original intent of that comprehension crack was, it could be considered invalid by this.

Here's the deal. You and I don't know each other. I've read a number of your replies and you seem to misunderstand what I intent to convey and I imagine I do the same. It's an unconscious thing. Now we can stop bickering mindlessly and discuss football, or you could follow this attempt at new life with a rant about how stupid kids at Mac must be because of my little display about ten minutes ago. So what say you?

[Reaganrattler07]

Well considering my day today, I'm not exactly at the peak of my comprehension skills. Believe me.

I could have sworn I said this season so far...if not that's what I meant.

Reading and comprehension cracks. Despite being rated "academically unacceptable" for totally asinine reasons, the majority of Mac's student body scored in the "above-standard" level last year on the reading and writing portions of the TAKS. Problem was, the school board took into consideration the ALE student's scores which hampered Mac's performance. Some protest was organized, but no further news on it has come up. So regardless of how sarcastic the original intent of that comprehension crack was, it could be considered invalid by this.

Here's the deal. You and I don't know each other. I've read a number of your replies and you seem to misunderstand what I intent to convey and I imagine I do the same. It's an unconscious thing. Now we can stop bickering mindlessly and discuss football, or you could follow this attempt at new life with a rant about how stupid kids at Mac must be because of my little display about ten minutes ago. So what say you?

I didn't say they were 'stupid'....if you read it i said my friends at Mac can understand what I say. We were talking about football until you couldn't understand when I was writing in English....

The only thing I find wrong with you talking about football is how Mac is still somehow the best school around....even though they weren't and haven't been for years.

[Gridiron Gopher]

Mac will have to be able to pass. Churchill has shown that they can stop the run. I think the Fanuzzi injury was a big mental blow but now they seem to be back mentally. If Mac can't pass, they won't win. The pass will open up the run. That's the way this offense works. Churchill's offense is not going to blow you off the field now but they showed they can be patient.
It will be fun to watch.

[Mac Is Back]

I didn't say they were 'stupid'....if you read it i said my friends at Mac can understand what I say. We were talking about football until you couldn't understand when I was writing in English....

The only thing I find wrong with you talking about football is how Mac is still somehow the best school around....even though they weren't and haven't been for years.

You know what I mean.


Reinstating the fact that we don't understand each other, I have yet to comment or even imply that Mac is the best school around. They are far from it. I have, obviously, discussed why Mac is better than Reagan - but that says nothing about other teams. But coming off a 2-8 season last year and having a chance at the playoffs for the first time in 5 years, the guys have earned a little credit, IMO. Reagan has too, don't get me wrong.

So again, I don't think Mac is better than everyone. Not at all. I think they're better than Reagan. But not everyone else. Understood?

Now I'll bring back that question I asked last time. Can we do what this board asks and leave it as such?

[Mac Is Back]

Mac will have to be able to pass. Churchill has shown that they can stop the run. I think the Fanuzzi injury was a big mental blow but now they seem to be back mentally. If Mac can't pass, they won't win. The pass will open up the run. That's the way this offense works. Churchill's offense is not going to blow you off the field now but they showed they can be patient.
It will be fun to watch.

We'll see. Mac's passing is their obvious strength against Churchill, but expect them to probe the Charger's defense to see if they can't get a solid run here and there.

[Reaganrattler07]

Mac will have to be able to pass. Churchill has shown that they can stop the run. I think the Fanuzzi injury was a big mental blow but now they seem to be back mentally. If Mac can't pass, they won't win. The pass will open up the run. That's the way this offense works. Churchill's offense is not going to blow you off the field now but they showed they can be patient.
It will be fun to watch.

Passing and opening up the run is how a lot of offenses work. Mac reminds me somewhat of the Seaquawks in Seatle (i purposely insulted their mascot :D ) Big passing team and it opens it up for Alexander (Craig). Now, I said their offense REMINDED me of them....I'm not making the entire comparison and claiming they are.

Mac-Churchill should be a good game...shame it's a Thursday nighter....otherwise I could sport my Reagan vs. Churchill Shirt.

[Mac Is Back]

...shame it's a Thursday nighter.....

Works to my advantage - I have to stay after school until 9 pm on Friday for tech work. :rolleyes:

[Reaganrattler07]

Works to my advantage - I have to stay after school until 9 pm on Friday for tech work. :rolleyes:

Thursday nighters totally drain me though....especially when its a big game and i'm cheering my guts out...

[Mac Is Back]

Thursday nighters totally drain me though....especially when its a big game and i'm cheering my guts out...

True. I've noticed that I haven't done so hot in the follow-up Fridays in school.

[Reaganrattler07]

True. I've noticed that I haven't done so hot in the follow-up Fridays in school.

We only had two Thursday nighters....Mac and Lee. So I used up a lot of energy in the Mac one and I was just frozen from the Lee one so it wasn't too bad.