Best Offense in 5A?

[gritty52]

This I hope will make for some interesting chat. I'll start with Trinity's offense probably don't have the numbers of some teams, but I think will rate with MOST. The starting offense has scored 49 TD's out of 54 attempts. That is good for 91%. We've had 2 interceptions, 1 fumble and 2 punts. Nance has 1429 yards on 121 carries and 21 TD's. Passing we have over 900 yds. and 11 TD's. Would like to see how we stack up tha :D ts all!!!!

[In The Bag Is Mad]

Well....I'll probably be wrong but In My opinion (wow..once again)
I think plano has a pretty high powered offense

[pack0808]

My opinion on who has the best offense!!

1. SLC
2. Spring Westfield
3. Longview
4. Euless Trinity
5. Katy

[dada]

This I hope will make for some interesting chat. I'll start with Trinity's offense probably don't have the numbers of some teams, but I think will rate with MOST. The starting offense has scored 49 TD's out of 54 attempts. That is good for 91%. We've had 2 interceptions, 1 fumble and 2 punts. Nance has 1429 yards on 121 carries and 21 TD's. Passing we have over 900 yds. and 11 TD's. Would like to see how we stack up tha :D ts all!!!!
I can only go on what teams I have seen and what I read about on this board. SLC and Trinty seems to score a lot, but from what I've seen Westfield and Northshore are more well rounded. IF the starters play more than one half, I can only imagine the numbers they would put up. Also they have stout defenses also.

[pack0808]

I can only go on what teams I have seen and what I read about on this board. SLC and Trinty seems to score a lot, but from what I've seen Westfield and Northshore are more well rounded. IF the starters play more than one half, I can only imagine the numbers they would put up. Also they have stout defenses also.


NS definitely has a top 10 offense but did you miss the game that they only scored 7 points vs a top 10 defense in The Woodlands?? Do not start the excuses either!! They did not get in the endzone but 1 time and that is all that matters. i have never seen SLC only score 7 points!!

[SLCDad]

Trinity's offense may have the best of most worlds. They control the clock and the game. They can score quickly and they make few mistakes. On the downside, their passing game is not great (but good enough to keep the opposing defense honest). No doubt Trinity puts fear in most defenses and has earned the respect of everyone.

There are a few other offenses that also deserve HUGE respect.

RanK . . .School . . . . . . . . . . . . .Points . .Points/Game
1 . . . Southlake Carroll (7-0) . . . . . 359 . . . 51
2 . . . Euless Trinity (7-0) . . . . . . . .351 . . . 50
3 . . . Galena Park North Shore (7-0).328 . . . 47
4 . . . Buda Hays Consolidated (7-0) .326 . . . 47
5 . . . Spring Westfield (5-0) . . . . . .233 . . . 47
6 . . . Houston Lamar (7-0) . . . . . . .299 . . . 43
7 . . . Plano (7-0) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 297 . . . 42
8 . . . Mansfield Summit (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
9 . . . Houston Madison (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
10 . . Corpus Christi Carroll (6-0) . . .244 . . .41

[dada]

NS definitely has a top 10 offense but did you miss the game that they only scored 7 points vs a top 10 defense in The Woodlands?? Do not start the excuses either!! They did not get in the endzone but 1 time and that is all that matters. i have never seen SLC only score 7 points!!
No excuses...sometimes they seem to freeze up when the other team fights back...I mean look what Westfield did to them last year. Last year they didnt get tested until Pearland gave them all they could handle in the first round and that seemed too late. The Woodlands game may have helped them. But like I said...the Defense came through. If SLC is ever held to 7...I doubt it would be a win.

[dragonsdaddy]

No excuses...sometimes they seem to freeze up when the other team fights back...I mean look what Westfield did to them last year. Last year they didnt get tested until Pearland gave them all they could handle in the first round and that seemed too late. The Woodlands game may have helped them. But like I said...the Defense came through. If SLC is ever held to 7...I doubt it would be a win.
we'd be 3-4 if we'd scored 7 each game.

[dada]

Trinity's offense may have the best of most worlds. They control the clock and the game. They can score quickly and they make few mistakes. On the downside, their passing game is not great (but good enough to keep the opposing defense honest). No doubt Trinity puts fear in most defenses and has earned the respect of everyone.

There are a few other offenses that also deserve HUGE respect.

RanK . . .School . . . . . . . . . . . . .Points . .Points/Game
1 . . . Southlake Carroll (7-0) . . . . . 359 . . . 51
2 . . . Euless Trinity (7-0) . . . . . . . .351 . . . 50
3 . . . Galena Park North Shore (7-0).328 . . . 47
4 . . . Buda Hays Consolidated (7-0) .326 . . . 47
5 . . . Spring Westfield (5-0) . . . . . .233 . . . 47
6 . . . Houston Lamar (7-0) . . . . . . .299 . . . 43
7 . . . Plano (7-0) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 297 . . . 42
8 . . . Mansfield Summit (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
9 . . . Houston Madison (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
10 . . Corpus Christi Carroll (6-0) . . .244 . . .41
North Shore is STILL #3, despite the 7-6 win over the Woodlands.

[SLCDad]

North Shore is STILL #3, despite the 7-6 win over the Woodlands.They are averaging 53.5 points in the other 6 games. Not bad.

[gutbuster]

This is a category where strength of schedule needs to be checked.

[TrojanHorse03]

No doubt.

1.Trinity(state's top backfield AND best o-line AND ever improving receivers)
2. Southlake(SLC best offense ever????)
3.Spring Westfield(young performers from last yr have stepped up their game as expected)
4.Longview(good backfield, and clutch veteran at QB)
5.Katy(running games is there as usual, but the surprising passing game is perking up attention)

[nate]

I believe SLC 2003 was their best offense. I do not believe the current QB and RB's are of the same quality as Daniel and Luna.

[Butch Fifield]

just to sum up my feelings from all the threads...

Plano has:

best offense in 5A
best kicker
best uniforms
hardest hitting defence
and they have the best of whatever future thread y'all bring up.....

it's kinda like asking a bunch of dads who has the best looking daughter.

[Trojan22]

One thing I would like to say is that Trinity's starters have been pulled before the second quarter three games out of seven this year. The other four games they were pulled after the half. Now you see the number Trinity has put up already this year, they have done that in less time then any other team. If we could see the amount of time starters play compared to other teams, you would see Trinity has a big gap compared to others.

Now when the last two games of Trinity's schedule come (SGP and Irving Mac), we might get to see the starters in for maybe a whole three quarters.
And if things keep going the way they are and if the good Lord loves me, Trinity will play SLC first round and I will get see what Nance can do when he gets a good amount of carries for the first time. The way he is averaging yards a carry with 40 carries you are looking atleast 350 - 400 yards. There is no way SLC can hold our running game and we are going to put pressure on the quarterback (McElroy) that he hasn't seen yet.

Trinity will be coming off of two big games that will get them ready for a hard first round, but I really don't think SLC is ready to play a team like the Trojans. Thats probably why everything I say something about it to a SLC fan they freeze up.

[TrojanHorse03]

Honestly all the elite teams can make claims about not playing entire games. Wasn't Longview leading the state in that category.

[BAMF cowboy]

I believe SLC 2003 was their best offense. I do not believe the current QB and RB's are of the same quality as Daniel and Luna.

2003...really?

i would say that was the weakest of their 4 year history in 5a. not just because they didnt win state, i just didn't feel that the offense was as dangerous, especially compared to the last 2 years. 2003's receiving corp has got NOTHING on this years, or even last year. and Chase Daniel and Aaron Luna were a year more experienced last year?

i disagree with you buddy

[SLCDad]

One thing I would like to say is that Trinity's starters have been pulled before the second quarter three games out of seven this year. The other four games they were pulled after the half. Now you see the number Trinity has put up already this year, they have done that in less time then any other team. If we could see the amount of time starters play compared to other teams, you would see Trinity has a big gap compared to others.

Now when the last two games of Trinity's schedule come (SGP and Irving Mac), we might get to see the starters in for maybe a whole three quarters.
And if things keep going the way they are and if the good Lord loves me, Trinity will play SLC first round and I will get see what Nance can do when he gets a good amount of carries for the first time. The way he is averaging yards a carry with 40 carries you are looking atleast 350 - 400 yards. There is no way SLC can hold our running game and we are going to put pressure on the quarterback (McElroy) that he hasn't seen yet.

Trinity will be coming off of two big games that will get them ready for a hard first round, but I really don't think SLC is ready to play a team like the Trojans. Thats probably why everything I say something about it to a SLC fan they freeze up.Nothing much here but homer hype.

[TrojanHorse03]

Thats to far in the future to be simply be regarded as hype.

[SLCDad]

Thats to far in the future to be simply be regarded as hype.You mean it's worse than hype? I can't argue with that.

[football fanatic]

How many D-1 kids does Trinity have this year committed??

[Primetime536]

This I hope will make for some interesting chat. I'll start with Trinity's offense probably don't have the numbers of some teams, but I think will rate with MOST. The starting offense has scored 49 TD's out of 54 attempts. That is good for 91%. We've had 2 interceptions, 1 fumble and 2 punts. Nance has 1429 yards on 121 carries and 21 TD's. Passing we have over 900 yds. and 11 TD's. Would like to see how we stack up tha :D ts all!!!!
Amazing, how can anyone beat this

[zippy]

SLC has the best offense no doubt. I think Trinity and a couple of others are more well rounded however. For sure the best passing game, and it alone is working so far.

[SLCDad]

SLC has the best offense no doubt. I think Trinity and a couple of others are more well rounded however. For sure the best passing game, and it alone is working so far.Trinity more rounded? I'm wondering how you make the conclusions you do.

Trinity gains 70% of it's yards on the ground. They have zero FGs this year and 11 missed attempts at points after touchdowns (mostly failed kicks).

SLC is more balanced at 57% passing and 43% running with a very good kicking game (longest FGs 45 and 50 yards). In fact in weeks 5 and 6 SLC gained over 350 yards rushing per game.

Trinity is pretty much a one-dimensional team but that dimension is very, very good (the best).

[GTown02]

Trinity more rounded? I'm wondering how you make the conclusions you do.

Trinity gains 70% of it's yards on the ground. They have zero FGs this year and 11 missed attempts at points after touchdowns (mostly failed kicks).

SLC is more balanced at 57% passing and 43% running with a very good kicking game. In fact in weeks 5 and 6 SLC gained over 350 yards rushing per game.

Trinity is pretty much a one-dimensional team but that dimension is very, very good (the best).
Trinity is very balanced... the reason they dont have many passing attempts is because they never need to throw. But when they do throw Vittatoe is unbelievable... He has a hand cannon and is extremely accurate on the run or in the pocket. They have some wideouts and tightends who can really catch..

[SLCDad]

Trinity is very balanced... the reason they dont have many passing attempts is because they never need to throw. But when they do throw Vittatoe is unbelievable... He has a hand cannon and is extremely accurate on the run or in the pocket. They have some wideouts and tightends who can really catch..Unbelievable? Vittatoe's completion rate is 60% against teams playing 8 in the box. Not bad, but there are plenty of QBs that are better. For example, McElroy completes over 68% of his passes against 6 or 7 in the box.

[TrojanHorse03]

McElroy isnt necessarily the best example, he has a receiving corp that can only lend to success. Mathew Stafford but not necessarily McElroy.

[SLCDad]

McElroy isnt necessarily the best example, he has a receiving corp that can only lend to success. Mathew Stafford but not necessarily McElroy.OK. The point is still the same. Like I said there are plenty of QBs that are better than what Vittatoe has shown. Don't knock McElroy to much. He's got something like 6-8 D1 offers and is a Texas top 5 QB with only 7 varsity starts. Not bad.

[zippy]

Well rounded does not mean they pass as much as they run. What I mean is that they can score the points, but they can also keep other teams from scoring at the same time. A good kicking game is not what I meant by well rounded. As for SLC running game, they played a team that was decent at defence in stopping the run and the running back was shut down. SLC is a passing team, and there are no two ways about that.


Trinity more rounded? I'm wondering how you make the conclusions you do.

Trinity gains 70% of it's yards on the ground. They have zero FGs this year and 11 missed attempts at points after touchdowns (mostly failed kicks).

SLC is more balanced at 57% passing and 43% running with a very good kicking game (longest FGs 45 and 50 yards). In fact in weeks 5 and 6 SLC gained over 350 yards rushing per game.

Trinity is pretty much a one-dimensional team but that dimension is very, very good (the best).

[zippy]

Yea the QB is good at passing, but he cant run like Daniel could, and the RB is not near what Luna was in my opinion. In any aspect of the game. Blocking, running, rec.


I believe SLC 2003 was their best offense. I do not believe the current QB and RB's are of the same quality as Daniel and Luna.

[Slim-Rob]

Converse Judson...oh wait....did you say best? I thought it said worst. Oops

[gritty52]

You folks have been getting on Trinity's kicker enough! That sophemore is a soccer star. When Lineweaver lets him all of his kickoffs are in the end zone. He has missed 95% of his kicks because of freaking bad snaps. It's not his fault. Trinity hasn't needed any field goals yet! Also someone asked about why isn't any of Trinity's player going D-1! LSU, TULANE, UTEP, HOUSTON,are just a few looking at them. # 90 Henry Nuitai is verbally going to UTEP to play for Mike Price. :

[The Great Evaluator]

Unbelievable? Vittatoe's completion rate is 60% against teams playing 8 in the box. Not bad, but there are plenty of QBs that are better. For example, McElroy completes over 68% of his passes against 6 or 7 in the box.
The thread is about who has the best offense and the point he's trying to make is that you have to pick your poision. 7 in the box = smashmouth football. 8 in the box = big plays down the field. Trinity has demonstrated the ability to do that. Having said that, I am very impressed with Carroll's front 7. They are very physical at the point of attack!

[DragonFan]

With Trinity getting ready to play the best teams in it's district and with SLC having already played the leading contenders, then I think you will see that the Trinity Offense will not score as many points or get as many yards per game, while SLC will be exploding with more 600+ games and half a hundred scores.

At this point in the season SLC is the #1 offense in scoring and yards per game. By the end of the season the gap between SLC and the next team will be much greater. All of which will amount to nothing because after the 10th game there is a new season that startes and everyone is undefeated where one loss means time for Basketball!

I think the #1 offense is the one that wins the last 5 or 6 games of the second season!

[SLCDad]

With Trinity getting ready to play the best teams in it's district and with SLC having already played the leading contenders, then I think you will see that the Trinity Offense will not score as many points or get as many yards per game, while SLC will be exploding with more 600+ games and half a hundred scores.

At this point in the season SLC is the #1 offense in scoring and yards per game. By the end of the season the gap between SLC and the next team will be much greater. All of which will amount to nothing because after the 10th game there is a new season that startes and everyone is undefeated where one loss means time for Basketball!

I think the #1 offense is the one that wins the last 5 or 6 games of the second season!Yes, Trinity has it's toughest games yet to play, however, their strength of schedule so far has still been slightly higher than SLC's.I agree with your prediction regarding what will happen to the stats. I'm also glad that Newton (and to a lesser extent McElroy) will get more of the experience they will need entering week 11.

[ALLIN]

I am rofl about the Trinity is the most well rounded comment. That is funny! Any team that runs 40 times a game and throws about 10 is not well rounded. Can they throw? I dunno, but we will see soon. I have heard they lack the receivers to be a big threat through the air. What are they like?

[BigFoot]

Trinity's offense may have the best of most worlds. They control the clock and the game. They can score quickly and they make few mistakes. On the downside, their passing game is not great (but good enough to keep the opposing defense honest). No doubt Trinity puts fear in most defenses and has earned the respect of everyone.

There are a few other offenses that also deserve HUGE respect.

RanK . . .School . . . . . . . . . . . . .Points . .Points/Game
1 . . . Southlake Carroll (7-0) . . . . . 359 . . . 51
2 . . . Euless Trinity (7-0) . . . . . . . .351 . . . 50
3 . . . Galena Park North Shore (7-0).328 . . . 47
4 . . . Buda Hays Consolidated (7-0) .326 . . . 47
5 . . . Spring Westfield (5-0) . . . . . .233 . . . 47
6 . . . Houston Lamar (7-0) . . . . . . .299 . . . 43
7 . . . Plano (7-0) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 297 . . . 42
8 . . . Mansfield Summit (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
9 . . . Houston Madison (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
10 . . Corpus Christi Carroll (6-0) . . .244 . . .41

The only flaw in your stat therory is ET pulls their starters. Not part but all of them. They could have scored many more points than they have. I can tell you also that the passing game is better than you give them credit for.
If you have only seen on of their games (Bell) you are not seeing the true picture. Stats are only relevant on who is playing and at the GP game our second, third till the bench was cleared played a half. We didn't try to score but running up the middle we still did. No passing. We pulled starters against Coppell and punted once inside the Coppell zone with less than a yard to go in the 4th quarter. We pulled starters against Lee and Desoto.
I can't think of a game we haven't pulled starters out. So as I say stats are not the whole story.

[SLCDad]

The only flaw in your stat therory is ET pulls their starters. Not part but all of them. They could have scored many more points than they have. I can tell you also that the passing game is better than you give them credit for.
If you have only seen on of their games (Bell) you are not seeing the true picture. Stats are only relevant on who is playing and at the GP game our second, third till the bench was cleared played a half. We didn't try to score but running up the middle we still did. No passing. We pulled starters against Coppell and punted once inside the Coppell zone with less than a yard to go in the 4th quarter. We pulled starters against Lee and Desoto.
I can't think of a game we haven't pulled starters out. So as I say stats are not the whole story.And you don't think all teams back off when they get a big lead? You think ET is special in this regard?

[stinger]

ET is not special in this regard...but....they do not have the starters in the 4th quarter and a 41 point lead. Is that waht TV exposure does to you? Then they don't want it. Lineweaver has a lot of class and gets kids into the game whenever possible. Stats don't win games; players and coaches win games. Talking is done on the field.

[SLCDad]

ET is not special in this regard...but....they do not have the starters in the 4th quarter and a 41 point lead. Is that waht TV exposure does to you? Then they don't want it. Lineweaver has a lot of class and gets kids into the game whenever possible. Stats don't win games; players and coaches win games. Talking is done on the field.Your point?

[Butch Fifield]

but....they do not have the starters in the 4th quarter and a 41 point lead.

I sure hope they don't. In Plano's last game, they took out their starting QB & running back in the first quarter up 21-0. They didn't play anymore after that. I am sure they took out a whole lot more starters, but those were the obvious ones that I noted. I think this is pretty common with the good teams. Isn't it?

[BigArab]

No doubt.

1.Trinity(state's top backfield AND best o-line AND ever improving receivers)
2. Southlake(SLC best offense ever????)
3.Spring Westfield(young performers from last yr have stepped up their game as expected)
4.Longview(good backfield, and clutch veteran at QB)
5.Katy(running games is there as usual, but the surprising passing game is perking up attention)

The state's best backfield? Refresh my memory as to when Nance and that other RB became the states top backfield. Numerous publications would not only rate Longview's the best in the state, but one of the best in the nation...hmmm....

[VB Pack Fan]

without a second thought......."SLC"

[BigFoot]

How many D-1 kids does Trinity have this year committed??

Is that the essence of a good team. I have seen many teams go deep into the playoffs with no D1 players. Let's just see how the games come out.

[TrojanHorse03]

Please Big Arab, call me when ur backfield is helping to put up 50 pts., 350yrds on the ground, and almost 500 total yds total a game.

Thank You,
TrojanHorse 03

[VB Pack Fan]

Hey SLCdad when has a team put 7 in the box playing you guys.That sounds like a dissater waiting to happen.The recievers would have a field day on that secondary.No offense but it does not take that 7 to stop Newton, he is still raw from what I seen.

[BigArab]

Please Big Arab, call me when ur backfield is helping to put up 50 pts., 350yrds on the ground, and almost 500 total yds total a game.

Thank You,
TrojanHorse 03

Call me when your team manages to have a passing game along with that fabulous backfield.

[Sloth]

Hey Arab they actually do. They just do not have to throw it 40 times a game to be effective. For them 10 times completeing 7 for about 30yds a catch is enough to place a dagger through the heart.

[Sloth]

Pack teams do place 7 in the box against SLC. Examples would be Katy and SV. They both would. And were both pretty effective. Another example of me personaly seeing it was 3yrs ago Arlington Sam Houston and they did pretty much shut down SLC.

[VB Pack Fan]

Three years ago SLC beat us, and went undefeated to win state, they must have only slowed them down :rolleyes:

[TrojanHorse03]

LOL criticism about Trinitys passing game from a Longview fan????!!!!!LOL now I've heard everything maybe we'd put even better numbers if we played against that Longview defense every week. :D If Rockwall could get 295 put Trevor down for 300....on 10 passes LOL. By the way when ur qb what's his face can do more than barely completely 50% of his passes call me.

Thanks for the Laughs
TrojanHorse03

[TrojanFan4Life]

The state's best backfield? Refresh my memory as to when Nance and that other RB became the states top backfield. Numerous publications would not only rate Longview's the best in the state, but one of the best in the nation...hmmm....


UMMM.......

This is a quote from the games of the week on this website: You can visit the article yourself - on the home page

Trinity has the state's #1 backfield in senior QB Trevor Vittatoe (6'1 185) and senior RBs Dmitri Nance (5'10 190, 4.4), and LaDerrick Handy (5'10 195, 4.4). Vittatoe, Nance, and Handy combined for 4,500 yards of total offense and 42 TDs in Trinity's run to the state semi-finals last season. Vittatoe is an underrated passer and QB in general. Of course, no offense can be successful without a good offensive line and that’s an area Trinity never seems to be lacking. This year, Saia Falahola (6'2 310) and Olini Falahola (6'1 310) are just two of the players up front to look for. So far this year, the Trinity offense has scored 109 points in just two games.

[BigArab]

UMMM.......

This is a quote from the games of the week on this website: You can visit the article yourself - on the home page

Trinity has the state's #1 backfield in senior QB Trevor Vittatoe (6'1 185) and senior RBs Dmitri Nance (5'10 190, 4.4), and LaDerrick Handy (5'10 195, 4.4). Vittatoe, Nance, and Handy combined for 4,500 yards of total offense and 42 TDs in Trinity's run to the state semi-finals last season. Vittatoe is an underrated passer and QB in general. Of course, no offense can be successful without a good offensive line and that’s an area Trinity never seems to be lacking. This year, Saia Falahola (6'2 310) and Olini Falahola (6'1 310) are just two of the players up front to look for. So far this year, the Trinity offense has scored 109 points in just two games.

So, Longview's backfield of Ivory, McGee, and Freeman combined for more than that with over 50 TDs. Sounds like "self-proclaimed best backfield" to me.

[stinger]

BigArab...when they have to pass...they do with a 60% completion rate and one of the longest per pass rates in the state. They donb,t need to pass as often as others. You just don't get it. They have stoipped the passing teams and run over the rushing defenses. I do not need numbers to back this up. Scored on over 90% of possessions, and the list goes on. I didn't post those stats, another person did. They are on another thread about best offense.

[c-lisle]

BigArab...when they have to pass...they do with a 60% completion rate and one of the longest per pass rates in the state. They donb,t need to pass as often as others. You just don't get it. They have stoipped the passing teams and run over the rushing defenses. I do not need numbers to back this up. Scored on over 90% of possessions, and the list goes on. I didn't post those stats, another person did. They are on another thread about best offense.

The truth is that these teams are very similar. It sounds like ET has a better Oline...but Lviews is pretty good. ET prolly has the edge at QB but only b/c Vittatoe is bigger. Besides the size issue these two offense sound very similar, almost identical. As far as The RB and FB goes I don't see anyone being better than Ivory and Mcgee.

[Sloth]

Three years ago SLC beat us, and went undefeated to win state, they must have only slowed them down :rolleyes:

The Score was 19-16 and if I remember right held to less than 200 yds in offense. SLC was very lucky Sam Houston fumbled 3 times going into their endzone. That was SLC's year of destiny. As a side note Sam Houston had around 400 yds of offense on them just kept killing themselves. :cool:

[SLCDad]

The Score was 19-16 and if I remember right held to less than 200 yds in offense. SLC was very lucky Sam Houston fumbled 3 times going into their endzone. That was SLC's year of destiny. As a side note Sam Houston had around 400 yds of offense on them just kept killing themselves. :cool:We've discussed that game in this forum. SLC was extremely lucky to escape with a win. Sam Houston coach's decisions cost them that game in my opinion.

[SLCDad]

Hey SLCdad when has a team put 7 in the box playing you guys.That sounds like a dissater waiting to happen.The recievers would have a field day on that secondary.No offense but it does not take that 7 to stop Newton, he is still raw from what I seen.Denton Ryan played 7 in the box against SLC last week. It appeared they wanted to take away the running and short passing games. That is why SLC's offense was skewed much more to the long pass. It was no accident that Renfrow and Fentriss had great games (they are the farthest wide outs on each side).

I'm assuming you only saw Newton against Denton Ryan? He got is bell rung twice with the second time taking him out of the game. Without any tight ends running against 7 in the box is tough. Since Newton can't even drive a car yet and has only 4 varsity starts, yes he is a bit raw. However, he is the 3rd fastest player on the team (behind Renfrow and Jacobson) and has an "average yards per carry" average higher than Luna had. He is developing nicely.

[dragonfootballfan]

Denton Ryan played 7 in the box against SLC last week. It appeared they wanted to take away the running and short passing game. That is why SLC's offense was skewed much more to the long pass. It was no accident that Renfrow and Fentriss had great games (they are the two farthest wide outs).
The hardest thing about a team putting 7 in the box is trying to run the clock down at the end of the game. It is not possible to have a successful running game against a good team with 7 in the box while carroll is in their shotgun.

[Sakatha]

TEAM OFFENSE
Team Rush Pass Avg. Yds.
SL Carroll 1675 2154 547.0
Euless Trinity 2408 1025 490.4

Is this really up for debate?

TEAM DEFENSE
Team Rush Pass Avg. Yds
SL Carroll 809 1058 266.7
Euless Trinity 1047 823 267.1


~DnM

[BigFoot]

And you don't think all teams back off when they get a big lead? You think ET is special in this regard?

hmmm I saw the Denton Ryan game, I read stats and you still had most of the starters in late in the 4th quarter and then kicked that field goal. SLC comes to mind.

[BigFoot]

TEAM OFFENSE
Team Rush Pass Avg. Yds.
SL Carroll 1675 2154 547.0
Euless Trinity 2408 1025 490.4

Is this really up for debate?

TEAM DEFENSE
Team Rush Pass Avg. Yds
SL Carroll 809 1058 266.7
Euless Trinity 1047 823 267.1


~DnM

Sure it is weak schedule and besides stats are all skewed depending on the
way teams play against wealer ones....if starters play longer they run up their stats ....come on this is a fruitless arguement anyway.

[nsmustang]

NS definitely has a top 10 offense but did you miss the game that they only scored 7 points vs a top 10 defense in The Woodlands?? Do not start the excuses either!! They did not get in the endzone but 1 time and that is all that matters. i have never seen SLC only score 7 points!!

pack0808- This is my beef all year with Shore. It's why I'm skeptical of what they can do. TWHS was out to play that day and NS could not get in the end zone but once. Their schedule, like SLC's is light and I won't be convinced until they beat a Westfield or run over a Pearland by a big margin. I do think they have a good defense capable of slugging it out with anybody but again, it's the O I'm not sure about.

[Sakatha]

Weak Schedule... Hrrm Okay.

SLC's

Midland Lee 2-5(WAY down this year)
Coppell 3-4(been bad for a few years now)
Plano East 4-3(playoff team)
Fossil Ridge 3-4(average to poor)
Heritage 5-2(maybe playoffs)
Haltom 4-3(average)
Denton Ryan 5-2(playoff lock and underrated)

ET's

DeSoto 4-3(good team)
Midland Lee 2-5(WAY down this year)
Tyler Lee 3-4(one of the state's biggest let downs)
Coppell 3-4(been bad for a few years now)
Irving Nimitz 3-4(0-district)
Grand Prairie 0-7(at least they are perfect!)
L.D. Bell 2-5(it's gonna take more than 1 year with the new coach)

Your argument holds no water. In fact, this is funny. So Trinity has played 1 team with a winning record? SLC has the weaker schedule?

~DnM

[SLCDad]

hmmm I saw the Denton Ryan game, I read stats and you still had most of the starters in late in the 4th quarter and then kicked that field goal. SLC comes to mind.Heaven forbid we have to open this discussion again.

Did you notice all of the 2nd teamers in the game in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters? Did you notice the number of yards gained and first downs made in the first half compared to the second half? Did you notice the 2nd team QB had around 35%+ of the snaps for the game?

If you check the rest of the games you will see similar trends.

[dragonfootballfan]

Heaven forbid we have to open this discussion again.

Did you notice all of the 2nd teamers in the game in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters? Did you notice the number of yards gained and first downs made in the first half compared to the second half? Did you notice the 2nd team QB had around 35%+ of the snaps for the game?

If you check the rest of the games you will see similar trends.
what difference does it make whether starters come out or not when comparing two teams and their starting offense. Essentially Carroll the way some say has 20 offensive starters. ET has 11 offensive starters.

[c-lisle]

I'm surprised this is being debated. SLC hands down.

[SLCDad]

what difference does it make whether starters come out or not when comparing two teams and their starting offense. Essentially Carroll the way some say has 20 offensive starters. ET has 11 offensive starters.
Exactly!

[ALLIN]

I think that it is hands down SLC too. ANd, I have said this before, the only reason that some of the defensive starters were still in the DR game towards the end was that i am sure SLC wanted the shut out pretty bad. This is due to all the negative crap said about their defense. They felt they had something to prove. Can you blame them?

[katyrecsquad6]

you have to put KATY up there even if they only had rushing but now they have passing also wow. didnt i say KATY had one of the best rec in the state

[lonny24]

You can only say who you have seen so far, so here's my top five...
1. Westfield (they have a quick o-line and speed everywhere)
2. ET ( huge and physical)
3. North Shore (Normal North Shore)
4 SLC (Not as good as last years)
5.Lufkin or Katy (Toss up both are great)

[mhsfan]

Don't forget Midland High. Points scored per game = 39, and points allowed = 12.25. Abilene High kept their starters in the game until the last play and MHS held them to 3 points in the whole second half! Note: Midland, like most others, pulls the starters in 3 & 4th quarter blowouts).

[c-lisle]

You can only say who you have seen so far, so here's my top five...
1. Westfield (they have a quick o-line and speed everywhere)
2. ET ( huge and physical)
3. North Shore (Normal North Shore)
4 SLC (Not as good as last years)
5.Lufkin or Katy (Toss up both are great)


I think Longview should be mentioned in any top 5 for offense, we just have too many weapons especially in the backfield.

I still don't understand everyone not agreeing on SLC as #1. I agree they aren't as good this year at running the ball but who needs it when you have the best pass game in the state.

[blue58]

hey all im saying is....GO BELL DEFENSE.
We held Trinity to one of their lower point totals.
We kept Trinity starters in until the 4th Quarter.

[TrojanHorse03]

No u didn't they left in the 3rd quater when it was 42-0, even BHS06 will back that up.

[TrojanHorse03]

:p :D

[ktCarl]

Nothing much here but homer hype.


Homerhype.......Now that's a good username for this forum!! ;)

[DragonFan]

Bell was terrible and Trinity was bored.

[bleedgreen]

Trinity's offense may have the best of most worlds. They control the clock and the game. They can score quickly and they make few mistakes. On the downside, their passing game is not great (but good enough to keep the opposing defense honest). No doubt Trinity puts fear in most defenses and has earned the respect of everyone.

There are a few other offenses that also deserve HUGE respect.

RanK . . .School . . . . . . . . . . . . .Points . .Points/Game
1 . . . Southlake Carroll (7-0) . . . . . 359 . . . 51
2 . . . Euless Trinity (7-0) . . . . . . . .351 . . . 50
3 . . . Galena Park North Shore (7-0).328 . . . 47
4 . . . Buda Hays Consolidated (7-0) .326 . . . 47
5 . . . Spring Westfield (5-0) . . . . . .233 . . . 47
6 . . . Houston Lamar (7-0) . . . . . . .299 . . . 43
7 . . . Plano (7-0) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 297 . . . 42
8 . . . Mansfield Summit (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
9 . . . Houston Madison (6-1) . . . . . 296 . . . 42
10 . . Corpus Christi Carroll (6-0) . . .244 . . .41
if you are going to make a poll like that, then you have to make one entitled--"who has the highest scoring offense with the 1st string in for JUST the FIRST HALF".....my point is, Longview won't be in the top of your poll because our 1st string has only played ONE entire game this season(Rockwall)......the other 7 games, 2 of them, the first string stayed in until midway through the 3rd quarter, the other 5, the 1st strings were riding the pine, so to speak....in potential blowouts, we jerk our players out---we don't leave them in for ridiculous blowouts, like some OTHER teams-- that i won't mention.......70-14, 63-7, 59-7.....we don't need to disrespect and kill teams to that degree to get a win.................we give our juniors and sophomores ample playing time in case of injuries...it makes us a deeper ballclub by the 2nd teamers getting alot of live snaps..................

[dragonfootballfan]

if you are going to make a poll like that, then you have to make one entitled--"who has the highest scoring offense with the 1st string in for JUST the FIRST HALF".....my point is, Longview won't be in the top of your poll because our 1st string has only played ONE entire game this season(Rockwall)......the other 7 games, 2 of them, the first string stayed in until midway through the 3rd quarter, the other 5, the 1st strings were riding the pine, so to speak....in potential blowouts, we jerk our players out---we don't leave them in for ridiculous blowouts, like some OTHER teams-- that i won't mention.......70-14, 63-7, 59-7.....we don't need to disrespect and kill teams to that degree to get a win.................we give our juniors and sophomores ample playing time in case of injuries...it makes us a deeper ballclub by the 2nd teamers getting alot of live snaps..................
I know that this was a shot at Carroll and I do not think that you want to get into that argument again. Carroll has about 20 players on offense that get playing time from the first quarter on. This puts them at a big disadvantage and we should make a new poll that says, "who has the best offense that scores points with the second string starting in the first quarter and continuing on through the game. They don't try to embarass other teams and try for ridiculous blowouts, but are trying to get ready for the state championship and impending matchups with great programs like Lufkin. Some teams and one team in particular from east Texas should probably try to emulate Carroll since they have won 5 championships with two in the states highest classification in the past 70 years. They have also beaten teams of the caliber of Lufkin over the past 3 years something that certain team from east texas has not done in their past 9 meetings with Lufkin. Man I would hate to have to kick a last second field goal at home to try and beat a four loss team. That must be terrible."

[SLCDad]

if you are going to make a poll like that, then you have to make one entitled--"who has the highest scoring offense with the 1st string in for JUST the FIRST HALF".....my point is, Longview won't be in the top of your poll because our 1st string has only played ONE entire game this season(Rockwall)......the other 7 games, 2 of them, the first string stayed in until midway through the 3rd quarter, the other 5, the 1st strings were riding the pine, so to speak....in potential blowouts, we jerk our players out---we don't leave them in for ridiculous blowouts, like some OTHER teams-- that i won't mention.......70-14, 63-7, 59-7.....we don't need to disrespect and kill teams to that degree to get a win.................we give our juniors and sophomores ample playing time in case of injuries...it makes us a deeper ballclub by the 2nd teamers getting alot of live snaps..................Haven't we beat this dead horse enough? Don't need any more preachy stupid posts like this.

[BigFoot]

You mean it's worse than hype? I can't argue with that.
The only problem I can see in all of these threads is that ET is hype and SLC is the gospel. Just an observation.

[bleedgreen]

those comments from you and your son, dragonfootballfan are right on cue.....by the way, smart BOY(dragonfootballfan), that was not a shot at SLC...have never had anything negative to say towards SLC--have always gave them their props and respect the team very much--you can ask the REAL SLC posters about that...just don't respect you or your idiotic father, SLCdad.........talk about my posts, SLCDad?? you and your son have pissed off so many people on this site since you two idiots came on here....why don't both of you HOMERS go and play with yourselves, OK??? you would get a hell of alot further! this is what i get AGAIN for expressing my opinion about a WORTHLESS poll that doesn't mean squat.....and AGAIN, it's a major problem with just these 2 idiots!! take a page out of the other SLC fans that have been on here for awhile.....try shutting your big mouths long enough to listen, and don't jump to conclusions so fast that those delusional minds of yours make you do!! SLCDad---i don't give a good crap what you think of my post, jack!! hello??? dragonfootballfan----be sure that you quote me on this post as well......i love seeing my posts everytime you quote me...makes me feel like i'm a celebrity or something--LOL.....you must have a hard on for me to quote my posts...brother---i don't go that way, just so you know.............

[dragonfootballfan]

those comments from you and your son, dragonfootballfan are right on cue.....by the way, smart BOY(dragonfootballfan), that was not a shot at SLC...have never had anything negative to say towards SLC--have always gave them their props and respect the team very much--you can ask the REAL SLC posters about that...just don't respect you or your idiotic father, SLCdad.........talk about my posts, SLCDad?? you and your son have pissed off so many people on this site since you two idiots came on here....why don't both of you HOMERS go and play with yourselves, OK??? you would get a hell of alot further! this is what i get AGAIN for expressing my opinion about a WORTHLESS poll that doesn't mean squat.....and AGAIN, it's a major problem with just these 2 idiots!! take a page out of the other SLC fans that have been on here for awhile.....try shutting your big mouths long enough to listen, and don't jump to conclusions so fast that those delusional minds of yours make you do!! SLCDad---i don't give a good crap what you think of my post, jack!! hello??? dragonfootballfan----be sure that you quote me on this post as well......i love seeing my posts everytime you quote me...makes me feel like i'm a celebrity or something--LOL.....you must have a hard on for me to quote my posts...brother---i don't go that way, just so you know.............
What team on this board has been scrutinized the most for apparently not pulling their starters early enough and trying to run up the score?

[bleedgreen]

have i scrutinized you or SLC, dragonfootballfan??? go back inside all of the threads and show me one, damn post where i have said anything remotely negative about SLC...you won't be able to....in my last post, i wasn't directly pointing the finger at SLC...numerous teams believe in running up the score, not just SLC....didn't ever say that i had a problem with it, either...we just have 2 different coaching philosophies regarding that particular area....obviously, something is working in Southlake, might as well stick to it, right?? never said that i disagreed with the SLC method...if i did, that would be kind of ignorant on my part, right?? considering the accomplishments that you guys have...that's why i tell other Longview(Homer) fans not to disrespect the SLC program because it makes them look pretty, damn, stupid!! like i said yesterday when you were accusing that Abilene guy about the fan-based thread, man, you read into crap wayyyyyyyy tooooooooo much........don't group me in with the people who don't care for the "running up the score" tactic........i don't have a problem with it...if it were up to me, i would leave the starters in every game and run the score up to 100..............

[slcgrad]

Wow! That was uncalled for. Do we need such strong personal attacks in these threads? Are you so insecure that you need to yell and scream when someone doesn't like your posts? I thought my 2-year-olds temper tantrum over his oatmeal this morning would be the biggest one I saw today. Bleedgreen, you just proved me wrong.

[dragonfootballfan]

have i scrutinized you or SLC, dragonfootballfan??? go back inside all of the threads and show me one, damn post where i have said anything remotely negative about SLC...you won't be able to....in my last post, i wasn't directly pointing the finger at SLC...numerous teams believe in running up the score, not just SLC....didn't ever say that i had a problem with it, either...we just have 2 different coaching philosophies regarding that particular area....obviously, something is working in Southlake, might as well stick to it, right?? never said that i disagreed with the SLC method...if i did, that would be kind of ignorant on my part, right?? considering the accomplishments that you guys have...that's why i tell other Longview(Homer) fans not to disrespect the SLC program because it makes them look pretty, damn, stupid!! like i said yesterday when you were accusing that Abilene guy about the fan-based thread, man, you read into crap wayyyyyyyy tooooooooo much........don't group me in with the people who don't care for the "running up the score" tactic........i don't have a problem with it...if it were up to me, i would leave the starters in every game and run the score up to 100..............
In your original post where you say that Longview's stats are lower because they pull their starters you quoted someone that had a list of stats of the highest scoring teams. On the top of that list was Carroll. Now it is fair to assume that since you were dissagreeing with that list and who should be on top, that your post was directed toward Carroll.

[BigArab]

In your original post where you say that Longview's stats are lower because they pull their starters you quoted someone that had a list of stats of the highest scoring teams. On the top of that list was Carroll. Now it is fair to assume that since you were dissagreeing with that list and who should be on top, that your post was directed toward Carroll.

Many of you have delusions of substance.

[TrojanFan4Life]

So, Longview's backfield of Ivory, McGee, and Freeman combined for more than that with over 50 TDs. Sounds like "self-proclaimed best backfield" to me.


How can this be self proclaimed - unless of course www.5atexasfootball.com is a Trinity website. You know there is more info on this site than the message board. Trinity was featured as a team of the week and it was just a quote from that article.

I wasn't knocking Longview - just giving an unbiased quote from this website to help give creedance to a statement that was made.

I think that is is hard to say who is the best - there are several teams that have great offenses and some offenses would look even better in the stats that get so over used if the starters played a whole game.

I figure that everyone can just double the stats for ET because our starters have only played the equivalent of 4 games. I know the same can be said of your team.

These threads become more about bashing teams because that team has the audacity to say they might be better at something than SLC - it gets kind of old.

Makes me and others who read more than we post mainly because it is stupid to get into a pi**ing match with someone. You never know when the wind will change directions and get you wet.

It would be nice for some to just hold their tongue rather than insisting on the no one does anything better than us thing.