lufkin rulz kf

[poppy]

lufkin kicked kf's butt...37-21...
so i apologize to any pack fans that didn't like my coment about
lufkin being over rated....
the pack be bad...... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[SmilinTiger]

lufkin kicked kf's butt...37-21...
so i apologize to any pack fans that didn't like my coment about
lufkin being over rated....
the pack be bad...... :eek: :eek: :eek:

How did KF score 21 points on the states best defense?

Lufkin does have the states best defense, don't they?

[LongviewLobo209]

Well, I thought Longview had one of the best too, and we allowed 35. So I'm not about to say anything...

[KLH75287]

How did KF score 21 points on the states best defense?

Lufkin does have the states best defense, don't they?

They didn't. The 3rd score was against LP's 2nd string Offense on a fumbled pitch returned for a TD.

Any more questions? Do I sense a hint of hatred for The Pack?

GO PACK IN '05

[LPFAN]

lufkin kicked kf's butt...37-21...
so i apologize to any pack fans that didn't like my coment about
lufkin being over rated....
the pack be bad...... :eek: :eek: :eek:
Hey apology accepted. It started good and then looked kind of ugly. I know that our offense's passing game is nowhere near what SLC has but that is just my opinion. I know we have big play potential but it is not consistant. For a while I thought KF was going to come back and give us a much tougher game. As far as us being over rated. I could care less about that or even being ranked. Rankings don't win ball games. I could say more about the game but I will leave it up to the other Lufkin fans. I will take the win though.

[drgnbkr]

Nothin but respect from this area.... :)

[LPFAN]

How did KF score 21 points on the states best defense?

Lufkin does have the states best defense, don't they?
NO KATY DOES!!! :eek:

[LPanther]

They only had one legitimate drive. KC scored on a short drive after a turnover. KF'S defense scored late in the game after LP put in the BU QB, who promptly made a bad pitch which led to a fumble.

[SmilinTiger]

They didn't. The 3rd score was against LP's 2nd string Offense on a fumbled pitch returned for a TD.

Any more questions? Do I sense a hint of hatred for The Pack?

GO PACK IN '05

No hatred here buddy. Just curious about the 21 points.

[SmilinTiger]

NO KATY DOES!!! :eek:

Yet to be determined, fella.

[LPFAN]

Yet to be determined, fella.
Well I know you are not accusing me of saying that Lufkin has the best D in the state but I just want you to know that I have never said that. I don't buy into all the rankings etc. I think we have a great D and I will leave it at that. Good luck on the rest of your season.

[VB Pack Fan]

Well I see Poppy had to give us our props. This KF team could be really good , but they are really bad sportsmen. Two got kick out and they playing dirty most of the night. Lp should have put up 50 pts, but penalties, turnovers cost them. Played kind of sloppy at times.One thing I must say is KF defense is as fast as LP,s Our defese played well giving up only 14 pts.Can,t ask for a better game from them.Stopping the running tadem of KF,S. Robinson leads the district with 700 + yds, held to 30 tonight.

[SmilinTiger]

Well I know you are not accusing me of saying that Lufkin has the best D in the state but I just want you to know that I have never said that. I don't buy into all the rankings etc. I think we have a great D and I will leave it at that. Good luck on the rest of your season.

Thanks. Good luck to you and yours. We are just the observers from the stands. There are times when I would like to be putting a forearm shiver on a few people. But, that's behind me now.
As far as the rankings go, they all go by the wayside when the playoffs start and then it's the games that matter.
LP has done well. Katy has done well. Maybe we'll meet at the end of the road.

[DragonNation]

The mighty Panthers gave up 21 points tonight? WOW! Congratulations on another fine victory.

[PACKMAN]

Thanks. Good luck to you and yours. We are just the observers from the stands. There are times when I would like to be putting a forearm shiver on a few people. But, that's behind me now.
As far as the rankings go, they all go by the wayside when the playoffs start and then it's the games that matter.
LP has done well. Katy has done well. Maybe we'll meet at the end of the road.


My observations were based on what I saw firsthand at your game. Give us the respect of at least seeing our games before you try stirring things up!

Like my grandpa always reminded me ......... "be careful what you wish for"!

[pack4life]

I enjoyed the game for the most part, but the sportmanship displayed was horrible. KF really needs to learn to get their guys in line, at one point, there was four personal fouls and four ejections on one play!! That set up KF kicking off from their own 15.

[LPFAN]

I enjoyed the game for the most part, but the sportmanship displayed was horrible. KF really needs to learn to get their guys in line, at one point, there was four personal fouls and four ejections on one play!! That set up KF kicking off from their own 15.
I can tell you that the KF players were actually turning to the Lufkin fans on the visitors side and taunting us too. I was higher up but several of them would do it every time they thought they were back in the game.(If they got a first down or a good run) It was pretty bad. I don't think I have ever seen any other team do that at all. I know they did it a lot. They should have been more focused on the game and checked the scoreboard every now and then instead of checking out the fans. Maybe if they didn't have such sorry attitudes they would be a much better team. I would assume that with that many kids with such sorry attitudes that it has to carry over in practice. If they had more discipline I am sure they would be a much better team. They really just made idiots of themselves and I would be embarrassed of them if I was one of their parents.

[oldmanwoodlandsfan]

I can't wait for the Woodland/Pack game.


BTW-Katy is the best team in TX right now, they WOULD beat SLC!!!

[TXfbfan]

I can't wait for the Woodland/Pack game.


BTW-Katy is the best team in TX right now, they WOULD beat SLC!!!

You can never tell until they actually play. But my guess is that we will get that chance. Man that will be exciting.

[WoodlandsHigh]

I picked Klein Forest to win.

What was I thinking ?

Looks like Lufkin & Woodlands. It will be a very interesting game.

Coaching is the only way we can win this game. I hope we make the right adjustments.

We simply cannot win this game (Lufkin) without blocking. It is as simple as that.

[Hartless]

Witnessed this game as well. Easy on the exaggeration. KF lost their composure for sure. But the play had TWO unsportsmanlikes and ONE ejection. Very disappointed in the Pack's demeanor as well. Two 15 yard late hit penalties and some blatant taunting. Noticed the police escorted at least one person from our crowd as well.

[protect_this_house]

I can tell you that the KF players were actually turning to the Lufkin fans on the visitors side and taunting us too. I was higher up but several of them would do it every time they thought they were back in the game.(If they got a first down or a good run) It was pretty bad. I don't think I have ever seen any other team do that at all. I know they did it a lot. They should have been more focused on the game and checked the scoreboard every now and then instead of checking out the fans. Maybe if they didn't have such sorry attitudes they would be a much better team. I would assume that with that many kids with such sorry attitudes that it has to carry over in practice. If they had more discipline I am sure they would be a much better team. They really just made idiots of themselves and I would be embarrassed of them if I was one of their parents.

Props to Lufkin on the win. Martin Stadium appeared to have the KF offense rattled early as the 14 easy points that the Lufkin defense created obviously was the difference in the game. The KF defense was very impressive considering the stalled 3 Panther drives for field goals (the kicker for Lufkin is excellent), and only really gave up one big pass play. The "Dez Bryant is the best WR in the state" talk that some people have thrown around should come to a grinding hault. He was nearly shut out by the KF corner #19. Again, props to the Lufkin D, they got after KF.

After seeing both Lufkin's D & The Woodlands D live, I can honestly say that Lufkin does have more defensive speed, but The Woodlands is much more dominant within their scheme. KF moved the ball effectively at times vs Lufkin, yet seriously struggled vs The Woodlands. Actually, The Woodz team speed was pretty impressive too considering that no KF player could break loose on them, yet both KF touchdowns versus the Pack were on big plays were no Panther defenders could catch the KF players. The Lufkin vs The Woodlands game should be a good one.

LPFAN, this is for you in particular. Before you critisize the first KF player for "poor sportsmanship and sorry attitudes" I personally challenge you to go back and watch the game film and isolate on #62, DT for the Panthers. He drew the first flag of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct by spearing a defensless KF player on the ground & I KNOW you will find that his play throughout the night to be very unsportsmanlike. To the point that the coaches pulled him out after several plays because of his tactics. I implore you, go back watch the film & then comment on dirty play. Ask the Lufkin Police officer on the KF sideline how many "Lufkin Fans" that he had to escort out of the game for throwing objects toward the KF sideline before you comment on how people should conduct themselves.

[pack98]

LUFKIN WON.

HOW ABOUT THEM PANTHERS. NEXT UP THE HORNETS.


GO PACK. the KF game is over and they lost better luck in the playoffs.


PACK STILL 7-0!!!!!

[LPFAN]

Props to Lufkin on the win. Martin Stadium appeared to have the KF offense rattled early as the 14 easy points that the Lufkin defense created obviously was the difference in the game. The KF defense was very impressive considering the stalled 3 Panther drives for field goals (the kicker for Lufkin is excellent), and only really gave up one big pass play. The "Dez Bryant is the best WR in the state" talk that some people have thrown around should come to a grinding hault. He was nearly shut out by the KF corner #19. Again, props to the Lufkin D, they got after KF.

After seeing both Lufkin's D & The Woodlands D live, I can honestly say that Lufkin does have more defensive speed, but The Woodlands is much more dominant within their scheme. KF moved the ball effectively at times vs Lufkin, yet seriously struggled vs The Woodlands. Actually, The Woodz team speed was pretty impressive too considering that no KF player could break loose on them, yet both KF touchdowns versus the Pack were on big plays were no Panther defenders could catch the KF players. The Lufkin vs The Woodlands game should be a good one.

LPFAN, this is for you in particular. Before you critisize the first KF player for "poor sportsmanship and sorry attitudes" I personally challenge you to go back and watch the game film and isolate on #62, DT for the Panthers. He drew the first flag of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct by spearing a defensless KF player on the ground & I KNOW you will find that his play throughout the night to be very unsportsmanlike. To the point that the coaches pulled him out after several plays because of his tactics. I implore you, go back watch the film & then comment on dirty play. Ask the Lufkin Police officer on the KF sideline how many "Lufkin Fans" that he had to escort out of the game for throwing objects toward the KF sideline before you comment on how people should conduct themselves.
Hey where in my message did I say anything about dirty play? Please comprehend my message and respond accordingly. Do not make assumptions ok man. I know what happened and what I saw. I was referring to something totally different then what you are trying to "call me out on." I guess if our fans started acting like idiots too they deserved to be escorted out of the stadium. I can say that every other game I have been to I have not seen it happen as a result of messing with other fans or players. I am not saying it hasn't happened because I am sure it has. But I guess it had nothing to do with the way your players were acting on the sidelines. Nope it was all Lufkin's fans fault and the players were just reacting huh. I believe it goes both ways. There were fans acting like idiots in the stands and there were players acting like idiots on the sideline. Other then that thanks for the props. I still see a lot of work that needs to be done especially on the offense. Is this the game that you said that KF would win?

[pack0808]

Everybody wake up my lord!! Some people or so blind or so in denial or have no clue?? protectthishouse?? should i even bother commenting?? :rolleyes: Dez Bryant has 1 game without getting 100 plus yards and 2 or 3 td's and he is officially out of the mix as one of the best?? Maybe you should consider another sport to follow because that is an embarrassing statement?? They had a safety spying on him the whole night to double team so the Lufkin coaches tried to spread the ball around to everybody else moron!! He caught everything his way besides a finger tip diving catch in the endzone after beating his man!! I mean really.


Kf had 185 total yards with 2 td's and most of those yards came on a great screen pass call on a all out blitz and a post pattern when cb Chris Brown got beat for the 2nd week in a row. Landry took his spot after that and gave up nothing. Lufkin's defense did not give up anything in the 2nd half the one lucky score KF got was when the game was over and Lufkin put their 2nd string offense in and tried a stupid option pitch and fumbled and KF defense took it the other way for a 70 td.

Check this out!! KF rushing yards!! 36 for 40 yards!! :eek: That is a healthy 1.1 a carry!! :eek: Mr Ty Robinson that protectthismouse bragged on forever had 34 yards rushing!! :eek: Lufkin had at least 6 sacks but maybe more?? Lufkin won the total yards about 315 to 185!! Wake up people it was a dominant performance besides a few busted plays. KF never came close to having a sustained drive!! Not close!! Hewitt had 2 picks when they went his way.

Poppy admitted reality now you try it protect!! KF has always been the most dirty team i have ever seen Lufkin play. Period!! If they get down they are going to punch, kick, hit late, cuss players cuss refs it does not matter. They are one of the most undisciplined team i have ever seen when facing defeat. Sad!! The KF coaches were on the field all night and if KF did anything good you would think they just won the super bowl. So desperate to beat Lufkin but sorry back to reality. So what about that GREAT KF defense protect?? Gave up well over 300 total yards and 37 points!! :eek: Wake up call!! Welcome to Abe and bye bye now until next year. LOL

[Hartless]

Again, stop focusing on KF. Yes they lost their composure. But they did play great defense. But for that long pass at the end of the first half, our offense did nothing on them. We got 14 points on a mere 18 yards of offense due to our defense. In the third quarter we could only manage two field goals even given great field position all night. Our offense had real trouble with the speed of KF's defense and when they took away our big play capability, we were limited very long field goals.

[protect_this_house]

Stay with me here, I was referring to your comments about the KF players. And in particular, how you overlook your own Panther players to critisize the actions of the other team. Would you be embarrassed if you were Pack #62's family? Don't make these generized "Johnny Sportsfan" comments about one team without taking into account the actions of the other team. When your team trash talks or excersizes acts of personal exhaultation - similar to your #10's actions after a few of his sacks & tackles for losses, it's just gamesmanship. Yet, when the other team does the same it is poor sportsmanship that "carries over into practice." Another nice shot in the dark generalization on your part.

Please reply, I'm knocking these softballs of yours out of the park faster than Pujols shot off of Lidge last night...

I still give congrats to the Lufkin D & kicking game. That was clearly the advantage in the game.

[DragonNation]

pack0808,

Why don't you get back to reality. Lufkin always has a great regular season but latley can't seem to win the big one.

Why would you people not expect the pack fans to overlook their own mis-deeds on and off the field? They all live in some Lufkin wonderland where no teams are on the level of the mighty pack.

[pack0808]

Again, stop focusing on KF. Yes they lost their composure. But they did play great defense. But for that long pass at the end of the first half, our offense did nothing on them. We got 14 points on a mere 18 yards of offense due to our defense. In the third quarter we could only manage two field goals even given great field position all night. Our offense had real trouble with the speed of KF's defense and when they took away our big play capability, we were limited very long field goals.



Hey i am just speaking the truth on KF!! I have seen them completely lose their composure when facing defeat vs Lufkin 2 times now. Once in the playoffs in 2002 and last night. Just the fact's. The KF defense played solid but not great!! They definitely have some very good athletes like always. Giving up 37 points and over 300 total yards is not close to great?? They do not compare to the Lufkin defense in any stretch of the imagination in my honest opinion.

[pack0808]

pack0808,

Why don't you get back to reality. Lufkin always has a great regular season but latley can't seem to win the big one.


dragon get off our thread this does not concern you tool!! I get along with all slc poster's beside you. Did this have anything to do with SLC?? NO!! We know SLC is the #1 team in the state is that what you needed to hear?? This thread has absolutely nothing to do with SLC!! I was arguing about the game last night vs KF so why don't you grab a clue from that clueless mind of yours and scoot on out of this thread. :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

And you are a liar dragonfan and it is painfully obvious. Show me any top 10 threads for fans and you show me 1!! Just 1 Lufkin fan that picked Lufkin #1 Come on you have been called out. The vast majority of Lufkin fans have Lufkin no higher then #4 this year!! You have been called out with your bs!! 99 percent of Lufkin fans say SLC is number 1 so please get your fact's straight before spitting out complete garbage out of your mouth.

[Hartless]

You're right. Lufkin's defense definitely showed its superiority to KF's last night. However, in defense of KF's defense, they were put in a horrible hole to begin with. Take away the fourth quarter when the game was really out of hand and the first five minutes when KF's offense put it's defense in a tough situation, and for almost three full quarters they limited our offense to 16 points. If we didn't have a kicker that could hit from over 40 like Tiger makes 3 foot putts, we might be in trouble against a better team.

[LPFAN]

Stay with me here, I was referring to your comments about the KF players. And in particular, how you overlook your own Panther players to critisize the actions of the other team. Would you be embarrassed if you were Pack #62's family? Don't make these generized "Johnny Sportsfan" comments about one team without taking into account the actions of the other team. When your team trash talks or excersizes acts of personal exhaultation - similar to your #10's actions after a few of his sacks & tackles for losses, it's just gamesmanship. Yet, when the other team does the same it is poor sportsmanship that "carries over into practice." Another nice shot in the dark generalization on your part.

Please reply, I'm knocking these softballs of yours out of the park faster than Pujols shot off of Lidge last night...

I still give congrats to the Lufkin D & kicking game. That was clearly the advantage in the game.
You are still way off but that is ok because it is not the first time. I have gotten use to it. You will obviously never understand anything I post and then you think you are cute with your clever little one liners. Whatever man.
The only thing left to say is.......SCOREBOARD! :eek:

[Geaux Hard]

Hey where in my message did I say anything about dirty play? Please comprehend my message and respond accordingly. Do not make assumptions ok man. I know what happened and what I saw. I was referring to something totally different then what you are trying to "call me out on." I guess if our fans started acting like idiots too they deserved to be escorted out of the stadium. I can say that every other game I have been to I have not seen it happen as a result of messing with other fans or players. I am not saying it hasn't happened because I am sure it has. But I guess it had nothing to do with the way your players were acting on the sidelines. Nope it was all Lufkin's fans fault and the players were just reacting huh. I believe it goes both ways. There were fans acting like idiots in the stands and there were players acting like idiots on the sideline. Other then that thanks for the props. I still see a lot of work that needs to be done especially on the offense. Is this the game that you said that KF would win?

I guess you did not make the PAM game then. If I recall LP had 2 or 3 players ejected and PAM had 1 ejected. I will agree that some of the KF players need to handle some situations better and I am sure that will be addressed. Lukfin D is for real and played well. I like the safety spying Dez Bryant comment also. Maybe someone else should "spy" him.

[protect_this_house]

pack0808, excuse my ignorance, but allow me to educate you on something - KF played a 3 shell on over 80% of their defensive plays. That means ONE safety in the MIDDLE of the field. Had they played more of a 2 shell look your argument would have a shred of validity.

Regardless, if he is the "best WR in the state," then double coverage wouldn't matter would it?

I clearly gave the Pack props for winning the game. Read before you type. It will save you some embarrassment. Are you a chick?

[pack0808]

Stay with me here, I was referring to your comments about the KF players. And in particular, how you overlook your own Panther players to critisize the actions of the other team. Would you be embarrassed if you were Pack #62's family? Don't make these generized "Johnny Sportsfan" comments about one team without taking into account the actions of the other team. When your team trash talks or excersizes acts of personal exhaultation - similar to your #10's actions after a few of his sacks & tackles for losses, it's just gamesmanship. Yet, when the other team does the same it is poor sportsmanship that "carries over into practice." Another nice shot in the dark generalization on your part.

Please reply, I'm knocking these softballs of yours out of the park faster than Pujols shot off of Lidge last night...

I still give congrats to the Lufkin D & kicking game. That was clearly the advantage in the game.


You are a legend in your own mind!! :rolleyes: Lufkin did not even compare to KF in trash talking and late hitting!! Not even close. Did a Lufkin player get kicked out of the game last night?? NO!! But KF had at least 2 or 3?? They cussed the officials after being called for a late hit. So stay with me here!! Reality check!! comprendo retardo??

[pack0808]

pack0808, excuse my ignorance, but allow me to educate you on something - KF played a 3 shell on over 80% of their defensive plays. That means ONE safety in the MIDDLE of the field. Had they played more of a 2 shell look your argument would have a shred of validity.

Regardless, if he is the "best WR in the state," then double coverage wouldn't matter would it?

I clearly gave the Pack props for winning the game. Read before you type. It will save you some embarrassment. Are you a chick?


Stay with me here!! KF gave up 37 points and over 300 total yards!! Are you a ****** from the state school?? This is just in!! protect says that Dez is no longer one of the best in the state or nation at wr in hs football. I better call all of those college recruiters ASAP with the news. :rolleyes:

[Hartless]

Guys, you are doing the same thing our team did last night. Letting KF get you riled up and falling to their level. For the record, ONE player was ejected.

[protect_this_house]

You are still way off but that is ok because it is not the first time. I have gotten use to it. You will obviously never understand anything I post and then you think you are cute with your clever little one liners. Whatever man.
The only thing left to say is.......SCOREBOARD! :eek:

Sooo, basically you have no response in regards to your earlier comment about the KF players attitudes? I call you out by asking you to check the play of your own & you completely dodge it with a scoreboard comment? Stay with the original point you made & don't change the subject.

Yes, scoreboard goes to LP. I've already acknowledged that.

[LPFAN]

pack0808,

Why don't you get back to reality. Lufkin always has a great regular season but latley can't seem to win the big one.

Why would you people not expect the pack fans to overlook their own mis-deeds on and off the field? They all live in some Lufkin wonderland where no teams are on the level of the mighty pack.
Ok now where in the heck did you come from. Most of the other Dragon fans have shown nothing but respect for LP and vice versa but why do you feel the need to pop off all of the sudden. In case you haven't noticed before we have commented on the "few" unnacceptable actions of a "few" players in the first couple of games. If you weren't at any of the games then you might as well leave that subject alone because you are just jumping on here and making comments based on what you have read. I am glad you are not one of SLC's finest when it cames to fans. Do them a favor and gain some true football knowledge before you jump on here and start posting your nonsense.

[Geaux Hard]

You are a legend in your own mind!! :rolleyes: Lufkin did not even compare to KF in trash talking and late hitting!! Not even close. Did a Lufkin player get kicked out of the game last night?? NO!! But KF had at least 2 or 3?? They cussed the officials after being called for a late hit. So stay with me here!! Reality check!! comprendo retardo??

Hey genius, it was only one player, which is still too much. You are selling yourself short if you think Lufkin was not even close in trash talking. I am glad you mentioned the officials they did a great job. I am sure the Piney Woods crew does a fine job for Lufkin every home game.

[pack0808]

Guys, you are doing the same thing our team did last night. Letting KF get you riled up and falling to their level. For the record, ONE player was ejected.


KF had 2 or 3 guys ejected!! At least 2!! 1 in the 1st half on the sidelines that many did not notice and the one at the end!! I thought they threw out more then one on that play at the end but i might be wrong?? Either way who cares!! KF can never win vs the big boys let's move on.

[pack0808]

Hey genius, it was only one player, which is still too much. You are selling yourself short if you think Lufkin was not even close in trash talking. I am glad you mentioned the officials they did a great job. I am sure the Piney Woods crew does a fine job for Lufkin every home game.


Now it is the officials?? Did the officials help Lufkin beat KF 38-21 at a neutral site in 2002?? NO!! Did the officials help Lufkin beat KF on their home field last year 39-8?? NO!! Move on it is over!!

[protect_this_house]

Stay with me here!! KF gave up 37 points and over 300 total yards!! Are you a ****** from the state school?? This is just in!! protect says that Dez is no longer one of the best in the state or nation at wr in hs football. I better call all of those college recruiters ASAP with the news. :rolleyes:

If that is your argument, then KF's #19 that held Dez well below his averages must be an all state calliber player. He probably solidified his own scholarship offers with that performance.

[LPFAN]

You're right. Lufkin's defense definitely showed its superiority to KF's last night. However, in defense of KF's defense, they were put in a horrible hole to begin with. Take away the fourth quarter when the game was really out of hand and the first five minutes when KF's offense put it's defense in a tough situation, and for almost three full quarters they limited our offense to 16 points. If we didn't have a kicker that could hit from over 40 like Tiger makes 3 foot putts, we might be in trouble against a better team.
IF, IF, IF. There are a lot of big IFS in football. I mean if you were going to use the IF factor in a game you can get a whole bunch of IFS and insert them in other situations where we didn't execute and then the outcome could be different again. I assume you are a Lufkin fan but I am not sure but IFS don't win games period. That is not taking anything away from KF because they have a good team but please give up the IF!

[pack0808]

If that is your argument, then KF's #19 that held Dez well below his averages must be an all state calliber player. He probably solidified his own scholarship offers with that performance.


Your are right!! If you are a top wr in the state you must have 100 plus yards a game and few td's every single game or you are no longer considered one of the best. You are never allowed to have just a regular or bad game!! It is over for him!! LOL I missed the notice that all great players must put up big numbers every single game or they are no longer considered great!! Wait a minute?? Then there would be no great players on this earth?? Again, Dez caught everything thrown his way besides a diving catch that he almost made in the endzone. They did not do one jump ball fade to him last night because they saw the safety spying on him and they knew there was a good chance he would be doubled on it. They do have 4 other wr's and they do throw it to them also. Stay with me here!! When you run a 4 to 5 wr set in a shotgun spread offense sometimes other wr's are going to get more balls thrown their way. Especially if you try to concentrate on stopping 1 wr. That is called football 101.

[pack0808]

So i guess Ty Robinson is no longer considered a good rb anymore because he had 34 total rushing yards?? :rolleyes: Same goes for Goodson last year!! He had about 48 rushing yards vs Lufkin. I guess he sucks too because of that game?? Call up rivals and let them know ASAP on Goodson because he is rated as one of the top rb's in the nation. :eek:

[Hartless]

So i guess Ty Robinson is no longer considered a good rb anymore because he had a 34 total rushing yards?? :rolleyes: Same goes for Goodson last year!! He had about 48 rushing yards vs Lufkin. I guess he sucks too because of that game?? Call up rivals and let them know ASAP on Goodson because he is rated as one of the top rb's in the nation. :eek:

Great reply. LPFAN, why are you hating on me. I merely mentioned that there were three or four times when their defense made us punt and three times they held us to a field goal. Given that we always had GREAT field position, I am just acknowledging their defense played well for about three quarters. The IF comment was more a sideways way of saying we are blessed to have the best HS kicker I have ever seen.

[protect_this_house]

So i guess Ty Robinson is no longer considered a good rb anymore because he had a 34 total rushing yards?? :rolleyes: Same goes for Goodson last year!! He had about 48 rushing yards vs Lufkin. I guess he sucks too because of that game?? Call up rivals and let them know ASAP on Goodson because he is rated as one of the top rb's in the nation. :eek:

I COMMENTED ON THE REMARKS THAT SOME MADE ABOUT DEZ BRYANT BEING THE BEST WR IN THE STATE. The best WR in the state does not get held to 4 receptions for 39 yards, facing single coverage on many plays, playing in a spread style passing attack in his own house. I NEVER said that Dez wasn't an excellent player. Ty Robinson is an excellent player too, but no one has called him the best RB in the state.

When you get billed the best anything in the state you better produce every week, EVERY WEEK.

[LPFAN]

Great reply. LPFAN, why are you hating on me. I merely mentioned that there were three or four times when their defense made us punt and three times they held us to a field goal. Given that we always had GREAT field position, I am just acknowledging their defense played well for about three quarters. The IF comment was more a sideways way of saying we are blessed to have the best HS kicker I have ever seen.
I think their defense played well too and that is why it is good to have a kicker like Jaime. That is why I believe in a TEAM effort and our coaches do a pretty good job of putting a pretty good team out on the field. When one part of the team slacks up, another part picks up the slack. Once again I think KF played some pretty good D.

[pack0808]

I COMMENTED ON THE REMARKS THAT SOME MADE ABOUT DEZ BRYANT BEING THE BEST WR IN THE STATE. The best WR in the state does not get held to 4 receptions for 39 yards, facing single coverage on many plays, playing in a spread style passing attack in his own house. I NEVER said that Dez wasn't an excellent player. Ty Robinson is an excellent player too, but no one has called him the best RB in the state.

When you get billed the best anything in the state you better produce every week, EVERY WEEK.


How much do you want to bet if Dez stays healthy he will be 1st team all state wr and he will be a top 5 wr recruit in the nation next year?? The qb hardly threw his way last night what do you expect?? They have been trying to get the other wr's involved and not be all Dez. Lufkin has plenty of other talented wr's like Shankle, Thomas, Gordon, and Raines. The qb has to get him the ball and the o-line has to block for him to have a big night. It is not like a rb where they directly give him the ball?? It is much easier for a wr to have a low game numbers wise then it is a rb or a qb because they rely on many others especially the qb to get them the ball. I personally like that Lufkin spread the ball around more last night. That is what they have to do. I know teams will start doubling Dez and that will be a necesity. All it takes is 1 bad night from the qb or the o-line or the coaches do not call his # and a wr can have a bad game numbers wise even though the wr r the cb covering him had nothing to do with it. Again football 101

[pack0808]

I agree about Jaime he is one of the best kickers i have seen in hs!! The only one that i saw slightly better was the SLC kid a few years ago who was the #1 recruited kicker in the nation and now is at OU.


Now let me tell you the positives on KF. They are a good team!! They have a lot of potential. They have great athletes and they are extremely fast similar to Lufkin but just a little slower. Very solid agressive defense!! The qb is going to be very good he just had not time to throw last night for the most part. He still had a couple of big pass plays. I can tell KF has some talented rb's like Ty and Palmo but they did not have a chance because the o-line was getting blown up by the panther defense. KF is good but not great!! They are undisciplined and i blame the coaching staff for that. They could get in the playoffs and get a couple of wins no doubt. They are on the right track if they just become a more disciplined as a team. They definitely have the athletes to be a very very good team.

[protect_this_house]

How much do you want to bet if Dez stays healthy he will be 1st team all state wr and he will be a top 5 wr recruit in the nation next year?? The qb hardly threw his way last night what do you expect?? They have been trying to get the other wr's involved and not be all Dez. Lufkin has plenty of other talented wr's like Shankle, Thomas, Gordon, and Raines. The qb has to get him the ball and the o-line has to block for him to have a big night. It is not like a rb where they directly give him the ball?? It is much easier for a wr to have a low game numbers wise then it is a rb or a qb because they rely on many others especially the qb to get them the ball. I personally like that Lufkin spread the ball around more last night. That is what they have to do. I know teams will start doubling Dez and that will be a necesity. All it takes is 1 bad night from the qb or the o-line or the coaches do not call his # and a wr can have a bad game numbers wise even though the wr r the cb covering him had nothing to do with it. Again football 101

Football 101, really? Does "your" book of football 101 also state that a WR's production has nothing to do with the CB that is covering him? I'll make sure Leonard Hewitt gets the message.

[LPFAN]

How much do you want to bet if Dez stays healthy he will be 1st team all state wr and he will be a top 5 wr recruit in the nation next year?? The qb hardly threw his way last night what do you expect?? They have been trying to get the other wr's involved and not be all Dez. Lufkin has plenty of other talented wr's like Shankle, Thomas, Gordon, and Raines. The qb has to get him the ball and the o-line has to block for him to have a big night. It is not like a rb where they directly give him the ball?? It is much easier for a wr to have a low game numbers wise then it is a rb or a qb because they rely on many others especially the qb to get them the ball. I personally like that Lufkin spread the ball around more last night. That is what they have to do. I know teams will start doubling Dez and that will be a necesity. All it takes is 1 bad night from the qb or the o-line or the coaches do not call his # and a wr can have a bad game numbers wise even though the wr r the cb covering him had nothing to do with it. Again football 101
Give it up man. PTH obviously is blind to reality when it comes to this topic. What he says has no bearing on what Dez does the rest of the season and in college and it does not matter who thinks Dez is the best in the state or one of the best. I have never said he was the best but he is definitely one of the best and in no way does one game change that. There are many of the "best" players that have had average or below average games in a particular season but that is football.

[PackAttack2005]

KF doubled Bryant last night most of the time, they had to or he would have had 100 yards recieving, so forget that argument. Guess what, I talked to the officials before the game and they were from Houston, so there goes that story.

[protect_this_house]

Give it up man. PTH obviously is blind to reality when it comes to this topic. What he says has no bearing on what Dez does the rest of the season and in college and it does not matter who thinks Dez is the best in the state or one of the best. I have never said he was the best but he is definitely one of the best and in no way does one game change that. There are many of the "best" players that have had average or below average games in a particular season but that is football.

Your right, even a blind man can see that a 4 for 39 outing is a "quality performance" by what people are trying to bill as the "best WR in the state."

All I'm saying is that you can't bill a kid as the "best WR in the state," have him make 4 catches for 39 yards, and not give any props to the kid that covered him. I know that would be blasphamy for any Lufkin fans to admit.

Besides, if you didn't make the statement about Dez, why do you feel so compelled to defend it?

[pack0808]

KF double Bryant last night most of the time, they had to or he would have had 100 yards recieving, so forget that argument. Guess what, I talked to the officials before the game and they were from Houston, so there goes that story.


LOL PA!! Many are going to start using the safety as a spy on dez and double him if they throw his way. That is when Thomas, Shankle, Raines, and Thad will do their damage.

[pack0808]

Your right, even a blind man can see that a 4 for 39 outing is a "quality performance" by what people are trying to bill as the "best WR in the state."

All I'm saying is that you can't bill a kid as the "best WR in the state," have him make 4 catches for 39 yards, and not give any props to the kid that covered him. I know that would be blasphamy for any Lufkin fans to admit.

Besides, if you didn't make the statement about Dez, why do you feel so compelled to defend it?


Yawn, I did not notice tight coverage on Dez so it is hard for me to give him a bunch of credit!! Every ball they threw Dez's way that was catchable he caught. He just did not have many opportunites do to the safety spy and the coaches wanting to get others involved. Dez is the best wr i have ever seen in hs and i have seen a lot of football. You cannot have great games every single game that is just not possible.

[protect_this_house]

KF double Bryant last night most of the time, they had to or he would have had 100 yards recieving, so forget that argument. Guess what, I talked to the officials before the game and they were from Houston, so there goes that story.

Double covered? Again, that is an easy "Johnny Sportsfan" excuse. Lets talk some football. KF played cover 3 the majority of the night. That means 3 players in deep coverage & 4 underneath. Versus a 4 WR offense that means that the FS in center field must cover BOTH seams that are typically occupied by the slot receivers. If he spent all night "doubling" Dez, then how did Lufkin complete less than 50 % of their passes, or better yet why didn't they hit numerous TDs in the middle of the field that the FS has voided to help double Dez? Hard truth - Dez was SELDOM doubled. He pretty much met up with a CB that can cover a little & you saw the results.

[LPFAN]

Yawn, I did not notice tight coverage on Dez so it is hard for me to give him a bunch of credit!! Every ball they threw Dez's way that was catchable he caught. He just did not have many opportunites do to the safety spy and the coaches wanting to get others involved. Dez is the best wr i have ever seen in hs and i have seen a lot of football. You cannot have great games every single game that is just not possible.
In the PTH world it is. Don't you know, it is the only world to live in. We are just some backwoods hicks that can only afford a computer on a payment plan. We can only get dial up access so we can come on here and post clueless messages to our superior city boy neighbor down south. Please...PTH can I come to your PTH College of Football next semester?

[pack0808]

I guess when your team gets manhandled you have to hold onto something?? LMAO What do you want a congrads?? Ok Egads on limiting Dez to 30 something yards receiving!! your team has made it to the big time now.


I have to mention KF rushing stats just one more time. 36 rushes for 40 yards!! LOL

[protect_this_house]

In the PTH world it is. Don't you know, it is the only world to live in. We are just some backwoods hicks that can only afford a computer on a payment plan. We can only get dial up access so we can come on here and post clueless messages to our superior city boy neighbor down south. Please...PTH can I come to your PTH College of Football next semester?

If you want to talk x's & o's - anytime. If you want to express typical fan banter, generalizations, and defensless points - no.

Can anyone that is trying to sell the "Dez was doubled all night" bs even tell me the number of KF's FS or SS? If not, don't speculate on what coverages you think you saw. Being able to identify a one safety or two safety shell would have clued you in as to whether or not Dez was doubled.

[pack0808]

If you want to talk x's & o's - anytime. If you want to express typical fan banter, generalizations, and defensless points - no.

Can anyone that is trying to sell the "Dez was doubled all night" bs even tell me the number of KF's FS or SS? If not, don't speculate on what coverages you think you saw. Being able to identify a one safety or two safety shell would have clued you in as to whether or not Dez was doubled.


It is simple!! He was not doubled the whole night but the safety was paying extra attention to him on most plays. Even when we tripled up the other side with 3 wr's and left dez by himself he would go over there with Dez. Especially when Lufkin was in scoring position because they knew that Lufkin loves to run the fade to him in those situations. That was just good coaching. They simply did not throw many balls Dez's way. If Claybon wouldn't have slightly over threw him on that one deep pass we would not even be having this convo.

[LPFAN]

PTH were you at the game? I assume you were but I don't think I have seen you say that you were. Are you a parent of a player, just a fan, or a coach?

[pack0808]

By the way, that was an impressive performance by the amazingly quiet invisible band and drill team at halftime. ;) KF had maybe 50 fans cheering them on?? Just sad to see!!

[bleedgreen]

LMAO....pack0808 and LPFan.......haven't seen you guys riled up in awhile,LOL....sick'em Panthers--LOL......congrats on your win last night.....glad to see that you guys are "alive"!! i've been missing the "fire" from yall's posts this season---seems like you guys are doing what i do---just laying back and waiting and keeping my mouth shut! unless----an ignorant person comes on here and starts bashing my Lobos....or loud-mouthed Lobo fans who are already giving us the title....good to see that yall are still "in form".......................

[protect_this_house]

PTH were you at the game? I assume you were but I don't think I have seen you say that you were. Are you a parent of a player, just a fan, or a coach?

At the game, home side seat. That's all you get.

[Ladypack34]

pack0808,

Why don't you get back to reality. Lufkin always has a great regular season but latley can't seem to win the big one.

Why would you people not expect the pack fans to overlook their own mis-deeds on and off the field? They all live in some Lufkin wonderland where no teams are on the level of the mighty pack.


WOW....I guess I live in "Lufkin Wonderland" lol....nice one....

Lufkin wonderland...where everyone one drives fords and SUV's

SLC...where everyone drives a BMW or Mercedes....hey ...maybe both!! :)

but in case you didn't notice we were not talkin about the past and what big games we didn't win...we're talkin about now and the games we are winning...

~~~~~Please come join us in Lukin Wonderland at ABE....please come and beat our MIGHTY PACK.... :D

[Ladypack34]

Your right, even a blind man can see that a 4 for 39 outing is a "quality performance" by what people are trying to bill as the "best WR in the state."

All I'm saying is that you can't bill a kid as the "best WR in the state," have him make 4 catches for 39 yards, and not give any props to the kid that covered him. I know that would be blasphamy for any Lufkin fans to admit.

Besides, if you didn't make the statement about Dez, why do you feel so compelled to defend it?


Why not just say he had a bad game...to his standards ...to coach o's standards..and to all of the standards that the on-lookers and fans have for him...that doesn't mean that he's not one of the best if not THE BEST...everyone has a bad game or 2 or 3 ....give it up...Dez is one of the best....period....... ;)

[Favpack]

lufkin kicked kf's butt...37-21...
so i apologize to any pack fans that didn't like my coment about
lufkin being over rated....
the pack be bad...... :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's what forums are for poppy - you spoke your mind - it just hadn't met the truth yet ;) -- the truth always prevails.

[Favpack]

All this talk by PTH....funny, really funny. Here's the bottom line - KF has some athletes - but no team. Sad really - that's a reflection on the head coach.

The KF wuffers had 3 tossed in the '02 shillacking we gave them and 3 more tossed last night. I say the yapping starts with the coach and works down from there. No, Lufkin is by no means perfect, but, correct me if I'm wrong - this was a HOUSTON officiating squad last night. I could care less where they're from. As Coach Outlaw said last night "their children don't know how to act." Amen Coach.

Yes, 19 for KF is a quality corner, and they do have some playmakers - but this was a complete team domination - if we played this KF squad 10 times - we'd win all 10 - and the other 9 would be worse than this one. The score should have been 44-14, but Coach Outlaw is the most compassionate coach in the state - so he puts in the subs after the Hewitt int. runback to the 15 with 6 minutes left and KF returns a poorly executed pitch for a td - whoppeee!! Coach O is all class - and the players reflect that class - he will put the second team in early to a fault.

PTH is too funny - he's strategizing this game like it was close or that one player played decent - lol - that's good comedy. It's a team game my friend - and KF does not know team-work. All wuff and no win - something to be proud of for sure.

[Favpack]

Stay with me here, I was referring to your comments about the KF players. And in particular, how you overlook your own Panther players to critisize the actions of the other team. Would you be embarrassed if you were Pack #62's family? Don't make these generized "Johnny Sportsfan" comments about one team without taking into account the actions of the other team. When your team trash talks or excersizes acts of personal exhaultation - similar to your #10's actions after a few of his sacks & tackles for losses, it's just gamesmanship. Yet, when the other team does the same it is poor sportsmanship that "carries over into practice." Another nice shot in the dark generalization on your part.

Please reply, I'm knocking these softballs of yours out of the park faster than Pujols shot off of Lidge last night...

I still give congrats to the Lufkin D & kicking game. That was clearly the advantage in the game.

I honestly don't remember our thrashing of KF last year - but in the '02 game and last night - I think I count KF having 6 total players kicked out. Lufkin - NONE. Yes, Roger Hurts got a late hit - he could have probably held up - but it was not a dirty play. He got yanked for a few plays - the coaches chewed on him - and sent him back in. Conversely, KF's head coach does none of that -- he didn't do it in '02, nor did he last night. From my viewpoint - he really has no concern about his players terrible behavior. Trashy, trashy - as coach Outlaw stated - "their children don't know how to act" - that sums it up. And, we're not talking celebrating here gang. Heck, Chase Daniels and Renfro from SLC celebrated as much as anyone. Who cares? No problem with that - of course, it does look funny when you're acting like your big and bad when the score is 37-14 -- and your lucky it was only that bad.

As far as the LP fans on the visitors side - yes, they wuff and have a good time - they are harmless. PTH is just stirring the pot with backhanded urban myth generalizations about "battery throwing" and other nonsense.

[Favpack]

I agree about Jaime he is one of the best kickers i have seen in hs!! The only one that i saw slightly better was the SLC kid a few years ago who was the #1 recruited kicker in the nation and now is at OU.


Now let me tell you the positives on KF. They are a good team!! They have a lot of potential. They have great athletes and they are extremely fast similar to Lufkin but just a little slower. Very solid agressive defense!! The qb is going to be very good he just had not time to throw last night for the most part. He still had a couple of big pass plays. I can tell KF has some talented rb's like Ty and Palmo but they did not have a chance because the o-line was getting blown up by the panther defense. KF is good but not great!! They are undisciplined and i blame the coaching staff for that. They could get in the playoffs and get a couple of wins no doubt. They are on the right track if they just become a more disciplined as a team. They definitely have the athletes to be a very very good team.

Pack - we say this every year man - every year. They have no discipline because the head coach doesn't understand the meaning of that word or teamwork. I honestly think he prompts the poor behavior - he comes across to me as a hothead who simply doesn't have the ability to instill discipline. Give this squad a top line coach and they would definitely be a handful. But, they have players every year.

[protect_this_house]

Were you even at the game favpack?

First off allow me to bring you up to speed on your first rediculous comment, KF doesn't even have the same head coach from the 2002 season. Way to go favpack, glad you're so informed.

Second off, exactly what THREE players from KF were ejected? Please give there numbers. Allow me to inform you of the exact number of ejections for KF - ONE. #98.

"...he comes across to me as a hothead who simply doesn't have the ability to instill discipline." Really? And this is because you know him personally? Or maybe because you've worked with him before? Or is this just one of those "Lufkin" opinions you've made from your perch in Martin Stadium?

And you wonder while the rest of the world gets such an amusing kick out of Lufkin Texas.

[pack4life]

Overall view of the game (from my perspective):

KF is an excellent team if they don't let their egos get the best of them.

They really never put together a substantial drive, although i give them a lot of credit for a mis direction screen play that caught our guys totally off guard.

They had a pretty good QB, and he is only a sophemore, so...

The sportsmanship was bad, on both sides, but KF got out of hand eventually. I'm really not sure exactly what was said to the referees on that extra point, but trust me, more than one player was thrown out of that game.

Jaime really stepped up and kicked some excellent field goals, he will play a big part if we are expecting to make a run at state this year.

Props on KF's D for putting pressure on Claybon and basically giving us a hard time the whole game in the redzone.

[VB Pack Fan]

Well PTH really got a few of our guys "PO" .The bottom line is whether they have the same coach or not I have seen this team play three times and every time their conduct on the field was the same.One official was from Lufkin, but so what.Two players were ejected, and we kick KF,S butt. As for the Dez comments, if anyone knows football they will know that good players don,t have outstanding games everyday, and Dez was doubled quite a bit last night.Dez is one of the top receivers in the state,but how do you know who,s the best, I don,t think you can. Football is a team effort" PTH", now until KF beats us.......................live with it, we know it,s hard :p :p :p

[PackAttack2005]

PTH, leave your sarcasim about Lufkin at the door, you have no right. Big X's and O's guy huh? Just because your a coach or played a little big league ball doesn't make you the all knowing expert about the game of football. By the way your not the only one that comes to this site that has some experience at the higher level. Some people see things differently than you and I and that's okay. To the Lufkin fans, I don't know why you debate with this guy, because we won the game 37-21, case closed. Dez Bryant did not have a good game, so what, the other recievers had a good enough games to still win the game by 16 points. I have seen Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin have bad days too, but both won superbowl rings and are still considered two of the best to ever play. This is high school and one game without star numbers is no a big issue and you all should know that, especially when you win. Come talk to us next year when Bryant is being recruited Division I schools from all over. Bryant is just a junior and I admit he has lots of growing up and improvements to make before he will ever be considered one of the best in the State. So, is he the best in the State?, don't know because there is lots of great talent around in Texas, but he is one of the best I have ever seen play at this level and I have seen a few.

[Bootsdaddy]

Were you even at the game favpack?

First off allow me to bring you up to speed on your first rediculous comment, KF doesn't even have the same head coach from the 2002 season. Way to go favpack, glad you're so informed.

Second off, exactly what THREE players from KF were ejected? Please give there numbers. Allow me to inform you of the exact number of ejections for KF - ONE. #98.

"...he comes across to me as a hothead who simply doesn't have the ability to instill discipline." Really? And this is because you know him personally? Or maybe because you've worked with him before? Or is this just one of those "Lufkin" opinions you've made from your perch in Martin Stadium?

And you wonder while the rest of the world gets such an amusing kick out of Lufkin Texas.

Wow! Its good to know we can be so amusing while or football team lays waste to "H-town." How many wins in a row vs. "H-town"? At least this guy cares which is more than you can say for the majority of the "fans" of these teams in this pathetic district. The Woodlands seems to be the only community other than Lufkin which cares enough about their kids to show up at the games.

[Favpack]

Were you even at the game favpack?

First off allow me to bring you up to speed on your first rediculous comment, KF doesn't even have the same head coach from the 2002 season. Way to go favpack, glad you're so informed.

Second off, exactly what THREE players from KF were ejected? Please give there numbers. Allow me to inform you of the exact number of ejections for KF - ONE. #98.

"...he comes across to me as a hothead who simply doesn't have the ability to instill discipline." Really? And this is because you know him personally? Or maybe because you've worked with him before? Or is this just one of those "Lufkin" opinions you've made from your perch in Martin Stadium?

And you wonder while the rest of the world gets such an amusing kick out of Lufkin Texas.

If it's a different coach then that's simply an indictment against your AD - they don't know how to hire because they get the exac same results they got in '02 - no discipline from a team with some decent individual talent.

Spare me - I can't believe someone is going to sit there and try to defend the fact that you for every one guy you had ejected - there should have been 3 more. Just like Coach O said in '02 - the players get a PF -- they're not pulled; they're not even talked to by the coaches. The refs eject a player and the coach only complains - the players slink off to the end of the bench -- and not one coach goes to talk to them - sad indeed.

As I said before -- Lufkin is not perfect. But, rest assured - a player gets pulled if he gets flagged-- he gets chewed on; and if it happens more than once or twice -- he probably loses most of his playing time.

[dogsmack]

As a diehard Pack fan, it hurts me to hear you say these things about the KF program. I was sitting right behind their bench and witnessed the sideline show. A couple of notes about KF:

1) The player ejected had been talked to numerous times on the sidelines by a couple of coaches. He lost it and was ejected. Another player that was close to getting flagged, but actually never got a flag was removed by the coaching staff for the rest of the game.

2) As for fan support, I feel sorry for the kids and know that KF is basically HISD north as far as racial makeup and socioeconomic status of the families attending there. Money is a big issue not only to the families of the kids but also to the school. It is sad that they only had about 50 people there to root them on.

3)One of our own fans was escorted out by police for talking trash to a KF player. That type of behavior is disappointing on our part.

Finally, we won this game handily, but we also had two personal foul late hit calls which were not called for. We all need to worry about us and stop worrying about KF. They have a good football team with issues, we have a GREAT football team with issues.

[Favpack]

As a diehard Pack fan, it hurts me to hear you say these things about the KF program. I was sitting right behind their bench and witnessed the sideline show. A couple of notes about KF:

1) The player ejected had been talked to numerous times on the sidelines by a couple of coaches. He lost it and was ejected. Another player that was close to getting flagged, but actually never got a flag was removed by the coaching staff for the rest of the game.

2) As for fan support, I feel sorry for the kids and know that KF is basically HISD north as far as racial makeup and socioeconomic status of the families attending there. Money is a big issue not only to the families of the kids but also to the school. It is sad that they only had about 50 people there to root them on.

3)One of our own fans was escorted out by police for talking trash to a KF player. That type of behavior is disappointing on our part.

Finally, we won this game handily, but we also had two personal foul late hit calls which were not called for. We all need to worry about us and stop worrying about KF. They have a good football team with issues, we have a GREAT football team with issues.

Welcome to the forum dogsmack. If you're telling me a KF kid was chastised by a coach for his anger - I would say that's an improvement from '02 -- if that is indeed the case. Here's the bottom line -- Coach Outlaw stated more than once in print and on film that the KF squad behaved terribly - and he was really proud of the Lufkin kids for not lowering themselves to that level. I believe Coach - period.

If you saw a fan escorted out for talking trash on the visitor side - good. In my view the authorities keep a very tight rein on that side. PTH's claim (he must have seen it from across the field since he says he sat on the LP side) that Lufkin fans were throwing batteries is again nothing more than trying to inflame a riot with an urban myth.

Lastly, if you think Lufkin "has issues" I gotta say I think your wrong. PM me with your list of issues - maybe next time you drive up from Houston we can discuss the issues. I assure you I will welcome these issues with an open attitude - and if I find merit in them I will bring it up to the powers that be - Thanks.

[dogsmack]

I will gladly point out the issues I am talking about. Nothing major, but things that concern me:

1) An offense that relies too heavily on the big play. I would like to see more of a sustained running game at least as another option to deep passes.

2) A defense that is phenom, but played rather dirty at times. I noticed the two late hits and thought we might have been called for a couple others at times. Could really hurt us in a tight game.

3) And, as for this board, fans who talk trash about other programs. We are no better than the KF kids in that regard. We are the class of 5A football programs but don't let the jealousy of others bring us to their level.

[pack0808]

I will gladly point out the issues I am talking about. Nothing major, but things that concern me:

1) An offense that relies too heavily on the big play. I would like to see more of a sustained running game at least as another option to deep passes.

2) A defense that is phenom, but played rather dirty at times. I noticed the two late hits and thought we might have been called for a couple others at times. Could really hurt us in a tight game.

3) And, as for this board, fans who talk trash about other programs. We are no better than the KF kids in that regard. We are the class of 5A football programs but don't let the jealousy of others bring us to their level.


Dogsmack although agree with your #1 comment, Lufkin had a very very similar type offense in 2001 when they won state. I disagree with your #2 point?? Yes they have had some late hits but it hardly has been dirty disrespectul thug type play? I agree with you on #3 but it is hard to let certain things go when people say certain things and boards are where fans can have discussions and disagreements. I never trash another program unless they go after my alma mater first. Does not make it right and i should have more restraint but i do not. LOL The game is over let's move on.

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Thanks Dogsmack - by issues I certainly meant behavior, not x's and o's philsophy. Lufkin does not play dirty IMO - but I hear your opinion on this game. The late hit by Hurts was a poor choice, but it was not meant as injurious. To my knowledge there were no other late hits called on Lufkin. If someone from KF wants to whine about another late hit they may have seen or heard about, I'd be happy to unscroll my lengthy laundry list of flagrant fouls I saw committed by the Eagles that weren't called including an unbelievably cheap shot on Shankle out of bounds.

In terms of trash-talking on this forum - I don't do it. Pointing out that KF has a history of getting players ejected is not trash talking, its simply pointing out the obvious. Trash talking is when PTH insinuates that all of Lufkin is hickville and works at the paper mill. Me not responding to such 3rd grade behavior is not getting caught up in trash-talking. I honestly can't control other posters on this forum - nor can anyone other than the moderators.