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charger85
12-24-2007, 03:03 PM
What is more impressive to you, Todd Dodge winning multiple state championships and changing the way high school football is played in the state of Texas but doing it at one school and not really having much success anywhere else. Or what Steve Lineweaver has done winning multiple state championships and doing it at multiple schools. Just a thought both are great coaches but which is more impressive to you.

TrojanHorse03
12-24-2007, 03:08 PM
Well if you were to ask Coach Lineweaver he'd probably tell you he's not as good a coach as Eddy Peach, so the man himself may defer to Dodge, he's as humble as they come. But if y'all should remember anything Coach Lineweaver ain't done yet...it's just 3 and counting....

BAMF cowboy
12-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Dodge. 4 out of 5, and 3 in a row is unprecedented at the 5A level.

CCHS77
12-24-2007, 03:24 PM
I just glad both made a coaching "stop" at Carroll!

Boss Hawgette
12-24-2007, 04:05 PM
What is more impressive to you, Todd Dodge winning multiple state championships and changing the way high school football is played in the state of Texas but doing it at one school and not really having much success anywhere else. Or what Steve Lineweaver has done winning multiple state championships and doing it at multiple schools. Just a thought both are great coaches but which is more impressive to you.

Apples or oranges, oranges or apples...both are impressive in their own right.

powerofthehaka
12-24-2007, 04:08 PM
I will not dignify this thread with a response. Both are special in their own way.

Wait......I just did.

Trinity Alum
12-24-2007, 05:48 PM
They both are good at what they do. I wouldn't say one is better than the other. They do what works for their program.

SLC93
12-24-2007, 06:08 PM
I love them both, period. Dodge's impact was the most historic and made the bigger splash, one that may never be equaled. Lineweaver is the most underappreciated, great coach of recent history and, perhaps, all time. He's not done a Trinity. The man is simply one of the best program builders of all time. At Carroll, he ran the offensive side of the ball, make no mistake. We were near unstoppable. Folks forget about his three rings from Carroll when they give his total. You know what Commerce was before Steve Lineweaver arrived? They were a team that got beat 56-0 in the first round of the playoffs, consistently. I know because it was us who spanked that arse a few times. Lineweaver arrives and all that stops. He was but a handful of points from having most of Sealy's titles. So it comes as no suprise that he took a campus like Trinity's, unified it and raised it to a new level. No offense to the long time Trojans, I know you've had some good teams in the past, but no coached has ever harvested that campus like Lineweaver has.Whether you pick a side or stand on the fence, there is no wrong choice here.

TrojanHorse03
12-24-2007, 06:11 PM
I love them both, period. Dodge's impact was the most historic and made the bigger splash, one that may never be equaled. Lineweaver is the most underappreciated, great coach of recent history and, perhaps, all time. He's not done a Trinity. The man is simply one of the best program builders of all time. At Carroll, he ran the offensive side of the ball, make no mistake. We were near unstoppable. Folks forget about his three rings from Carroll when they give his total. You know what Commerce was before Steve Lineweaver arrived? They were a team that got beat 56-0 in the first round of the playoffs, consistently. I know because it was us who spanked that arse a few times. Lineweaver arrives and all that stops. He was but a handful of points from having most of Sealy's titles. So it comes as no suprise that he took a campus like Trinity's, unified it and raised it to a new level. No offense to the long time Trojans, I know you've had some good teams in the past, but no coached has ever harvested that campus like Lineweaver has.Whether you pick a side or stand on the fence, there is no wrong choice here.

Perfectly said.

Trinity Alum
12-24-2007, 06:16 PM
I love them both, period. Dodge's impact was the most historic and made the bigger splash, one that may never be equaled. Lineweaver is the most underappreciated, great coach of recent history and, perhaps, all time. He's not done a Trinity. The man is simply one of the best program builders of all time. At Carroll, he ran the offensive side of the ball, make no mistake. We were near unstoppable. Folks forget about his three rings from Carroll when they give his total. You know what Commerce was before Steve Lineweaver arrived? They were a team that got beat 56-0 in the first round of the playoffs, consistently. I know because it was us who spanked that arse a few times. Lineweaver arrives and all that stops. He was but a handful of points from having most of Sealy's titles. So it comes as no suprise that he took a campus like Trinity's, unified it and raised it to a new level. No offense to the long time Trojans, I know you've had some good teams in the past, but no coached has ever harvested that campus like Lineweaver has.Whether you pick a side or stand on the fence, there is no wrong choice here.


Enough said!

DrEdward
12-24-2007, 06:40 PM
I love them both, period. Dodge's impact was the most historic and made the bigger splash, one that may never be equaled. Lineweaver is the most underappreciated, great coach of recent history and, perhaps, all time. He's not done a Trinity. The man is simply one of the best program builders of all time. At Carroll, he ran the offensive side of the ball, make no mistake. We were near unstoppable. Folks forget about his three rings from Carroll when they give his total. You know what Commerce was before Steve Lineweaver arrived? They were a team that got beat 56-0 in the first round of the playoffs, consistently. I know because it was us who spanked that arse a few times. Lineweaver arrives and all that stops. He was but a handful of points from having most of Sealy's titles. So it comes as no suprise that he took a campus like Trinity's, unified it and raised it to a new level. No offense to the long time Trojans, I know you've had some good teams in the past, but no coached has ever harvested that campus like Lineweaver has.Whether you pick a side or stand on the fence, there is no wrong choice here.

Not to be a grinch this evening, but I think I am correct in stating that Lineweaver has two rings from Carroll. He was gone for the third, even though it was still most definitely his offense out there. That aside, both he and Dodge have proven themselves tobe great high school coaches.

slcdragonfan
12-24-2007, 07:21 PM
SLC93 said it all. Very completely. Done!

Super B
08-27-2013, 10:59 AM
Lineweaver is 66. I wonder how many more seasons he will coach.

titus211
08-27-2013, 11:08 AM
Dodge. 4 out of 5, and 3 in a row is unprecedented at the 5A level.
Not that special in the split title era. Austin Reagan won 3 titles in 4 years at the top level, which was very impressive when you consider only district champions made the playoffs, so every win was over a district champion, not 3rd or 4th place teams.

tjw
08-27-2013, 11:09 AM
I think both have proven themselves as winners. Did respect the discipline Todd Dodges teams had coming on the field to warm-up.

E-Vol-ution
08-27-2013, 11:13 AM
Both are great and HOF guys........as long as Coach Lineweaver doesn't wear that floral shirt. My eyes still hurt from that. :notworthy

OakTreeUp-n-Out
08-27-2013, 11:40 AM
Not that special in the split title era.

Yes.... it's so common that it happens all the ti... wait.... never. No one else has ever done it.

Good call.

dragonpants
08-27-2013, 11:45 AM
Both men are impressive on and off the field.
However what Lineweaver has accomplished as a body of work to me is more impressive.
Not taking anything away from TD but SL has done it at multiple schools.

I love TD but to say he changed the way Texas HS football was played is a little too much.
There were teams that were running the spread with precision before TD did, take a peek at what Briles was doing at Stephenville and Harrell at Ennis before TD was doing it.
He may have done it better(debatable) but he was certainly not the first.

LPack007
08-27-2013, 11:56 AM
What is more impressive to you, Todd Dodge winning multiple state championships and changing the way high school football is played in the state of Texas but doing it at one school and not really having much success anywhere else. Or what Steve Lineweaver has done winning multiple state championships and doing it at multiple schools. Just a thought both are great coaches but which is more impressive to you.

How did he change the way high school football was played in this state? Btw....I gotta pick Lineweaver. He was able to have success at multiple schools like others have said and of course he won those championships at Trinity in 5A. Although they were in 3A, SLC had a lot of titles and a winning tradition before TD came to town. So, I think Lineweaver's record and success over the years have been more impressive.

LPack007
08-27-2013, 11:56 AM
Both men are impressive on and off the field.
However what Lineweaver has accomplished as a body of work to me is more impressive.
Not taking anything away from TD but SL has done it at multiple schools.

I love TD but to say he changed the way Texas HS football was played is a little too much.
There were teams that were running the spread with precision before TD did, take a peek at what Briles was doing at Stephenville and Harrell at Ennis before TD was doing it.
He may have done it better(debatable) but he was certainly not the first.

Agree.

Bass
08-27-2013, 01:00 PM
Not that special in the split title era. Austin Reagan won 3 titles in 4 years at the top level, which was very impressive when you consider only district champions made the playoffs, so every win was over a district champion, not 3rd or 4th place teams.

That was back when half the teams didn't actually know how to play. And three out of four isn't the same as three in a row.

THE OLDMAN
08-27-2013, 01:04 PM
That's hard to say but if I had to pick one it would be Dodge!

wolfpack4life
08-27-2013, 01:19 PM
Lineweaver has history of winning before Euless Trinity. Soo..

Grainraiser
08-27-2013, 01:53 PM
I have great respect for both coaches both on and off the field but I would have to give the the edge to Lineweaver. He has done it at multiple stops and turned average teams into great teams. Dodge walked into a great situation and took it up another level. Both of Texas HOF coaches.


Reggie

mojotrain
08-27-2013, 05:14 PM
Dodge. 4 out of 5, and 3 in a row is unprecedented at the 5A level.

four out of five ok but not three in a row

Fleeman93
08-27-2013, 05:17 PM
I'm real curious to see what Dodge does at Marble Falls. Saw one game last year (Boerne Champion) and both offenses looked incredible and both defenses looked piss poor.

Trinity 94 UNT 2000
08-27-2013, 10:31 PM
Good Evening

I gotta go with Lineweaver.

Dodge’s high school record is pretty pedestrian when not at SLC.

Dodge’s teams at UNT would make you puke in your mouth. PUKE IN YOUR MOUTH.

Dodge’s High School Career
1994…..Cameron Yoe……..3-7
1995…..Cameron Yoe……..5-5
1996…..Newman Smith…..4-6
1997…..Newman Smith…..5-5
1998…..Fossil Ridge…………2-7
1999…..Fossil Ridge…………5-5
2012…..Marble Falls………..4-6
7 Years…………………………28-41

“The Mustangs prolific passing attack set state records and raised eyebrows during legendary coach Dodge’s inaugural season at the school, highlighted by graduated QB Mike Richardson’s state record 725 yards passing against Boerne Champion. Now, Dodge must find some complementary defense if Marble Falls hopes to contend for a playoff spot in one of the toughest 4A districts in the state. The Mustangs gave up 41 points a game in 2012……..” -Dave Campbells 2013.

Without Todd Dodge SLC has won 4 other championships…88,92,93,2011.

Good Luck Marble Falls.

Thankyou

Trinity 94 UNT 2000
08-28-2013, 11:45 PM
Good Evening

It has been over 24 hours. So I guess Lineweaver won?

Thankyou

SLCbacker
08-29-2013, 12:01 AM
Good Evening

It has been over 24 hours. So I guess Lineweaver won?

Thankyou

Good Evening

Lineweaver had this argument hands down, but with 23 hours and 59 minutes past, he faked a punt and did not make it. Dodge wins again!!

Thankyou

Trinity 94 UNT 2000
08-29-2013, 12:09 AM
Good Evening

SLCBACKER.......you win for comment of the day. That make me genuinely chuckle out loud. Good job.

Thankyou

SLCbacker
08-29-2013, 12:13 AM
Good Evening

SLCBACKER.......you win for comment of the day. That make me genuinely chuckle out loud. Good job.

Thankyou

I couldn't resist. :) I enjoy all of your analysis. Thanks for all the hard work.

Trinity-Jagger
08-29-2013, 05:17 AM
Both Coaches do things their way.
I can`t pick one or the other ,,,,but will say either way I look at it IMHO the apple didn`t fall to far from the tree as they say.
Both men are Legendary Coaches in Texas High School IMHO .


​GO JAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DrEdward
08-29-2013, 07:29 AM
Good Evening

It has been over 24 hours. So I guess Lineweaver won?

Thankyou


Good Evening

Lineweaver had this argument hands down, but with 23 hours and 59 minutes past, he faked a punt and did not make it. Dodge wins again!!

Thankyou

Well played, sir.

TrinityTrojan299
08-29-2013, 11:13 AM
Good Evening

Lineweaver had this argument hands down, but with 23 hours and 59 minutes past, he faked a punt and did not make it. Dodge wins again!!

Thankyou


:rofl:
I just spit coffee all over my computer monitor....Best. Reply. Ever.

chhspantherfan
05-01-2014, 02:07 PM
just for you SLC13:cool:

Comanche
05-02-2014, 08:39 AM
I love them both, period. Dodge's impact was the most historic and made the bigger splash, one that may never be equaled. Lineweaver is the most underappreciated, great coach of recent history and, perhaps, all time. He's not done a Trinity. The man is simply one of the best program builders of all time. At Carroll, he ran the offensive side of the ball, make no mistake. We were near unstoppable. Folks forget about his three rings from Carroll when they give his total. You know what Commerce was before Steve Lineweaver arrived? They were a team that got beat 56-0 in the first round of the playoffs, consistently. I know because it was us who spanked that arse a few times. Lineweaver arrives and all that stops. He was but a handful of points from having most of Sealy's titles. So it comes as no suprise that he took a campus like Trinity's, unified it and raised it to a new level. No offense to the long time Trojans, I know you've had some good teams in the past, but no coached has ever harvested that campus like Lineweaver has.Whether you pick a side or stand on the fence, there is no wrong choice here.
:yes::yes:

SLC13
05-02-2014, 09:27 AM
just for you SLC13:cool:
I'm not sure why you resurrected this thread "just for me", but will add some thoughts.

I have had the pleasure of meeting and observing both men in action during their coaching careers. I have the utmost respect for both as coaches and molders of quality young men. That said, I think SL has the better overall body of work and resume. However, TD's 5 straight trips to the SC game with 4 titles is the most impressive aspect of either resume.

To me both are great coaches in their own ways, and both belong on any list of Legendary TX HS Coaches.

"panhandleslinger"
05-02-2014, 11:37 AM
Well since Lineweaver is the only one I've personally met, I'm gonna go with Dodge.

chhspantherfan
05-02-2014, 11:52 AM
Well since Lineweaver is the only one I've personally met, I'm gonna go with Dodge.

You just don't like the straw hat

"panhandleslinger"
05-02-2014, 11:59 AM
You just don't like the straw hat

Na! This was before the straw hate made it's debut.

BDB
05-02-2014, 12:07 PM
There is no argument here. Lineweaver is 10x the coach dodge is.

Dodge is the most overhyped coach in the history of this state . The guy has Plano'd at every stop except 1 and the 1 place he had success at had seen success prior to his arrival and since his departure. Dodge is not a great coach, Lineweaver is.

SLCDad
05-02-2014, 04:25 PM
There is no argument here. Lineweaver is 10x the coach dodge is.

Dodge is the most overhyped coach in the history of this state . The guy has Plano'd at every stop except 1 and the 1 place he had success at had seen success prior to his arrival and since his departure. Dodge is not a great coach, Lineweaver is.
Yeah, you are right. Tom Rapp had Carroll at the pinacle of success when Todd Dodge arrived. The precision, execution, work ethic, play calling, QB development, confidence, 79-1 record and 4 state titles were all already in place and on track and had nothing to do with the arrival of a new head coach. I like and respect the current SLC coach, but my quess is that most Carroll fans would take TD back in a nano-second.

Lineweaver has also been superb in a very different environment.

BDB
05-02-2014, 04:31 PM
Yeah, you are right. Tom Rapp had Carroll at the pinacle of success when Todd Dodge arrived. The precision, execution, work ethic, play calling, QB development, confidence, 79-1 record and 4 state titles were all already in place and on track and had nothing to do with the arrival of a new head coach. I like and respect the current SLC coach, but my quess is that most Carroll fans would take TD back in a nano-second.

Lineweaver has also been superb in a very different environment.

Tom Rapp took them to the semi-finals 2 years prior to Dodges arrival. Dodge didn't develop QBs he was lucky enough to have a plethora of talented fun slingers walking the halls during his stay.

With the taken at Carroll during Dodges tenure you could have won 4 state titles in 5 years.

SLCDad
05-02-2014, 04:39 PM
Tom Rapp took them to the semi-finals 2 years prior to Dodges arrival. Dodge didn't develop QBs he was lucky enough to have a plethora of talented fun slingers walking the halls during his stay.

With the taken at Carroll during Dodges tenure you could have won 4 state titles in 5 years.
Yeah, it was all luck. Carroll could have accomplished exactly the same thing without a head coach at all.

SLCbacker
05-02-2014, 05:13 PM
Tom Rapp took them to the semi-finals 2 years prior to Dodges arrival. Dodge didn't develop QBs he was lucky enough to have a plethora of talented fun slingers walking the halls during his stay.

With the taken at Carroll during Dodges tenure you could have won 4 state titles in 5 years.

Dodge's all time recaord against SLC is 3-1. He beat Rapp 3 out of 4 times. 2 times at Newman Smith, and once at KFR. I believe that head to head success was a major factor to him being selected as the SLC HC. He took over a team at SLC that went 6-4, dropping their last 3 games to KFR, Coppell, and Keller, so he didn't exactly take over when Carroll was at the top of their game. Over the next 7 years, he went to the Region Final, Semi-final, and 5 State Championships.

Robber89
05-02-2014, 06:51 PM
Both men are impressive on and off the field.
However what Lineweaver has accomplished as a body of work to me is more impressive.
Not taking anything away from TD but SL has done it at multiple schools.

I love TD but to say he changed the way Texas HS football was played is a little too much.
There were teams that were running the spread with precision before TD did, take a peek at what Briles was doing at Stephenville and Harrell at Ennis before TD was doing it.
He may have done it better(debatable) but he was certainly not the first.


Totally agree. When you make that statement you better start with those two or include them

BDB
05-02-2014, 07:30 PM
Yeah, it was all luck. Carroll could have accomplished exactly the same thing without a head coach at all.

Not luck, just a lot of talent, more talent in that school than any other in the state at the time. They would have won state with anybody coaching them those years.

BDB
05-02-2014, 07:31 PM
Dodge's all time recaord against SLC is 3-1. He beat Rapp 3 out of 4 times. 2 times at Newman Smith, and once at KFR. I believe that head to head success was a major factor to him being selected as the SLC HC. He took over a team at SLC that went 6-4, dropping their last 3 games to KFR, Coppell, and Keller, so he didn't exactly take over when Carroll was at the top of their game. Over the next 7 years, he went to the Region Final, Semi-final, and 5 State Championships.

Super Duper, they were 2 years removed from a state semifinal apperance when he took over. He has been a loser everywhere he has been and has a losing record as a coach outside of SLC never producing 1 winning season. The guy is the most overrated coach in the history of sports.

chhspantherfan
05-02-2014, 08:49 PM
Tom Rapp took them to the semi-finals 2 years prior to Dodges arrival. Dodge didn't develop QBs he was lucky enough to have a plethora of talented fun slingers walking the halls during his stay.

With the taken at Carroll during Dodges tenure you could have won 4 state titles in 5 years.

Here is where you steer off the cliff, Todd Dodge's QB Camps are legendary. You do know that kids from all over attended all through middle school, right? If there is anyone here that ever watched one of those in the early 2000s, then you know what I'm talking about. TD can develop QBs, make no mistake.

Super B
05-02-2014, 10:50 PM
I can see both sides of the Dodge argument. Is he a great coach because he is a great coach, or was his undeniable success at Carroll just him catching lightning in a bottle?

Two facts are evident:
Dodge's record at SLC is the best seven season run any HS football coach in Texas has ever had.
His HC record at every other stop has been mediocre at best.

Let me throw out this possibility. An in between if you will. Is it possible that Dodge is the Phil Jackson of Texas HS football? Given a team with a winning pedigree and tradition, he can take them to the next level. If so, watch out! He is now taking over at Westlake, which I am sure will have many coaches and fans of other teams very nervous.

BDB
05-02-2014, 11:35 PM
Here is where you steer off the cliff, Todd Dodge's QB Camps are legendary. You do know that kids from all over attended all through middle school, right? If there is anyone here that ever watched one of those in the early 2000s, then you know what I'm talking about. TD can develop QBs, make no mistake.

Nm

BDB
05-02-2014, 11:40 PM
I can see both sides of the Dodge argument. Is he a great coach because he is a great coach, or was his undeniable success at Carroll just him catching lightning in a bottle?

Two facts are evident:
Dodge's record at SLC is the best seven season run any HS football coach in Texas has ever had.
His HC record at every other stop has been mediocre at best.

Let me throw out this possibility. An in between if you will. Is it possible that Dodge is the Phil Jackson of Texas HS football? Given a team with a winning pedigree and tradition, he can take them to the next level. If so, watch out! He is now taking over at Westlake, which I am sure will have many coaches and fans of other teams very nervous.

Wrong again. GA Moore had a 7 year run that included a record of 98-7 from 1995-2001 with 5 state titles.

chhspantherfan
05-03-2014, 06:36 AM
Nm

tee it up for you and all i get is a "nm" :rolleyes: I do see where it lasted 5 hours:cool:

BDB
05-03-2014, 08:09 AM
tee it up for you and all i get is a "nm" :rolleyes: I do see where it lasted 5 hours:cool:

Ha. He was good at using his camp to draw in elite talent. I am sure the same will happen at Westlake. Camp = open invitation to play for him which makes it look like he developed QBs. Brilliant strategy

dragonpants
05-03-2014, 08:46 AM
Not luck, just a lot of talent, more talent in that school than any other in the state at the time. They would have won state with anybody coaching them those years.

How come Mathis cannot do it they have had more talent during the past few years than when TD was here. Skyline had sick talent and couldnt do it.
Why can't Dicus get Duncanville to the playoffs with a ton of DI talent there. You need both enough talent and great coaching.
Let's get back to you beloved Coppell,, loaded with talent and underachieve consistently.

clc
05-03-2014, 09:06 AM
Apples or oranges, oranges or apples...both are impressive in their own right.

This...they are both phenomonal coaches and the kids whose lives they have touched are lucky.

BDB
05-03-2014, 10:05 AM
How come Mathis cannot do it they have had more talent during the past few years than when TD was here. Skyline had sick talent and couldnt do it.
Why can't Dicus get Duncanville to the playoffs with a ton of DI talent there. You need both enough talent and great coaching.
Let's get back to you beloved Coppell,, loaded with talent and underachieve consistently.

What do those guys have to do with Dodge and they way he is consistently overhyped?

I don't recall anybody ever claiming Mathis or Dicus or Samples as being the best I'm the history of the universe times 10. That is what y'all do with dodge.

Instead of focusing on his failures at 5 of his 6 stops you want to mention other cochrs who have not been brought up. It's pure deflection on your part.

You can't explain why he has Plano'd everywhere he had been with the exception of the one school that had more talent over a 5 year period than any other in the country.

dragonpants
05-04-2014, 12:43 PM
What do those guys have to do with Dodge and they way he is consistently overhyped?

I don't recall anybody ever claiming Mathis or Dicus or Samples as being the best I'm the history of the universe times 10. That is what y'all do with dodge.

Instead of focusing on his failures at 5 of his 6 stops you want to mention other cochrs who have not been brought up. It's pure deflection on your part.

You can't explain why he has Plano'd everywhere he had been with the exception of the one school that had more talent over a 5 year period than any other in the country.

Those other guys are relevant because of your claims that at Carroll it was all about talent and there are teams that had more talent and not won state so which is it, talent or coaching or does it change from thread to thread to whichever best supports your argument?
I think part of the equation is that he has never been at any other school in HS for longer than 2 years so not long enough to truly evaluate.
Just MO and I can see where people can look at his record and have that opinion but what he did here was amazing over a 5 year span and even their last year in 4A he took Carroll deep in the PO before losing to Graham Harrell and Ennis.

BDB
05-04-2014, 01:39 PM
Those other guys are relevant because of your claims that at Carroll it was all about talent and there are teams that had more talent and not won state so which is it, talent or coaching or does it change from thread to thread to whichever best supports your argument?
I think part of the equation is that he has never been at any other school in HS for longer than 2 years so not long enough to truly evaluate.
Just MO and I can see where people can look at his record and have that opinion but what he did here was amazing over a 5 year span and even their last year in 4A he took Carroll deep in the PO before losing to Graham Harrell and Ennis.

Desoto wasn't as talented as Allen the last two years. Allen had them beat at the OLine position as well as at QB and all over the field on the defensive side of the ball.

Coppell has run into teams more talented than they were, Trinity and Desoto for example.

There have been coaches who have at least produced a winning record and made the playoffs in year 2 of taking over programs that had not made the playoffs prior to their arrival. The longer than 2 year stuff doesn't fly, Orval.

Austin109
05-05-2014, 02:56 AM
Lineweaver. Wasn't Dodge still chasing Lineweaver's offenses production at Southlake?

Dodge lucked into a TON of talent. Looking at their total careers ouside of the run Dodge had at Carroll with one of the deepest D1/NFL teams in Texas that I can think of, he has a losing record. Everywhere. Every freaking school he's every coached at put together is a losing record. Let it simmer.

dragonpants
05-05-2014, 08:03 AM
Lineweaver. Wasn't Dodge still chasing Lineweaver's offenses production at Southlake?

Dodge lucked into a TON of talent. Looking at their total careers ouside of the run Dodge had at Carroll with one of the deepest D1/NFL teams in Texas that I can think of, he has a losing record. Everywhere. Every freaking school he's every coached at put together is a losing record. Let it simmer.

You keep talking about all of Carroll's NFL talent.
Who is playing in the NFL?
Chase Daniel, Garrett Hartley, Scott Chandler and Justin Drescher.
Hartely is a kicker, Drescher is a long snapper who wouldn't be playing more than likely if Chase and Hartely were not on the saints when their long snapper was injured.
McElroy is retired at the ripe old age of 25 or 26 and on the SEC Network.

titus211
05-05-2014, 08:14 AM
You keep talking about all of Carroll's NFL talent.
Who is playing in the NFL?
Chase Daniel, Garrett Hartley, Scott Chandler and Justin Drescher.
Hartely is a kicker, Drescher is a long snapper who wouldn't be playing more than likely if Chase and Hartely were not on the saints when their long snapper was injured.
McElroy is retired at the ripe old age of 25 or 26 and on the SEC Network.
Westlake, before Allman, did not use big OL, but under him they seemed to be trying to build a Katy system w/o the talent. As someone posted earlier, the Chaps have always been a finesse offense that took what good defenses gave. It was not rare to see the Chaps pass for 300 in a win and hit 400 the next week on the ground. They also usually had mobile QBs that could run some option or be a run threat. Ron Schroeder was great at running his wing-t system. I have not seen anyone else run a balanced wing-t save for maybe the last Garland team that won state.

dragonpants
05-05-2014, 08:38 AM
Westlake, before Allman, did not use big OL, but under him they seemed to be trying to build a Katy system w/o the talent. As someone posted earlier, the Chaps have always been a finesse offense that took what good defenses gave. It was not rare to see the Chaps pass for 300 in a win and hit 400 the next week on the ground. They also usually had mobile QBs that could run some option or be a run threat. Ron Schroeder was great at running his wing-t system. I have not seen anyone else run a balanced wing-t save for maybe the last Garland team that won state.

That is one of the misnomers of TD's offense is that it was so passing centric. I think the most lopsided the play calling was during any given season was 55/45 passing to running.
Carroll's QB's could run with the exception of McElroy and he gained 800 plus yards during his one year as a starter.
We also had some very impressive RB's most notably Trey Newton and Aaron Luna. Luna played baseball in college and then professional baseball for a few seasons.

Comanche
05-05-2014, 08:49 AM
Hey! i have an idea! lets start another Todd Dodge thread!!

drgnbkr
05-05-2014, 08:52 AM
Hey! i have an idea! lets start another Todd Dodge thread!!

Crazy huh? The love for him knows no bounds.:D