SLC 2005 vs. SLC 2004

[SLCDad]

A comparison of SLC statistics through 7 games. Slightly more points scored. Better defense. Overall, 2005 is very similar to 2004.

......................................2005........ 2004
Points Scored Per Game........51...........48
Points Allowed Per Game.......16...........21
Ave Margin of Victory...........35..........27

Yards Gained.....................537.........545
Yards Allowed....................263.........317
Yards Difference................274........229

Passing Yards.....................303.........306
Passing %..........................56%........56%
Rushing Yards.....................234.........239
Rushing %..........................44%........44%

Turnovers Per Game.............1.4...........1.4

[bubbacoach]

I think if they played each other SLC would win in a landslide.

[Cujo]

I think if they played each other SLC would win in a landslide.
LOL

Talk about multitasking for Coach Dodge, I'd like to see how he'd pull that one off.

[implacable44]

who cares?

[toonman]

who cares?

I think a lot of fans care. SLC are the State Champs and are on track to repeat. In addition, SLC is one of the most discussed programs on this site and all posts appear to have considerable interest throughout the state.

[Fleeman93]

My question is if SLC does not win state in 2005 is this team still going to be regarded as better than the 2004 team?

[ALLIN]

plac, I should have known YOU would have that comment.

[SLCDad]

I think a lot of fans care. SLC are the State Champs and are on track to repeat. In addition, SLC is one of the most discussed programs on this site and all posts appear to have considerable interest throughout the state.I agree. That's why I posted the stats.

SLC hasn't missed a beat after filling the huge holes left by Daniel, Luna and some other key players. The best news for SLC fans is that the defense is better.

It is remarkable how similar the statistics are between the two years.

[stevefoxsc]

hold your horses slc winning state the way i c it we'll see when it happen's, though there is hype that they will win it but they have to past some tough teams up ahead.

but 04 vs 05 hmmm ill go with 04

[SLCDad]

My question is if SLC does not win state in 2005 is this team still going to be regarded as better than the 2004 team?Why would anyone attempt to answer a hypothetical question regarding events that haven't happened yet?

[SLCDad]

hold your horses slc winning state the way i c it we'll see when it happen's, though there is hype that they will win it but they have to past some tough teams up ahead.

but 04 vs 05 hmmm ill go with 04It takes a very good team and a bit of luck to win a championship. I'd say 10 teams have a legitimate shot this year.

[stevefoxsc]

It takes a very good team and a bit of luck to win a championship. I'd say 10 teams have a legitimate shot this year.

agree'd just kinda smacks me when people jump around and shout MY TEAMS TAKIN STATE then lose first round of play off's *cough cough 03 lufkin* :p

[Fleeman93]

Why would anyone attempt to answer a hypothetical question regarding events that haven't happened yet?

Because after the fact I can hear SLC fans saying "although we put up better numbers in 2005 the 2002 team was the best followed by the 2004." You know the whole hind site 20 20 thing.

[Favpack]

SLC was in a very unique situation last year. They had a decent D that had a ton of juniors on it. Their wr's were all juniors except Gedwig - but they had the best qb in the state who had been to a final the year before and arguably an all-state rb. So, while we can debate the closeness of it (very, very close in 3 games IMO), they won state. This year, they really only replaced Daniel and Luna - and a few O-lineman, in addition to a few defenders. Not a small order, but not huge outside the fact that SLC's qb HAS to be really good.

Add that all together -- and this year's version appears to show no clear weakness to last years version - IF the O-line protects McElroy. To me, that's the only real if with this team -- coupled with the obvious fact they have to beat some good teams to win state.

While this will draw a snicker from the SLC faithful-- replacing all wr's, 9 defenders and your qb next year will be more challenging.

[SLCDad]

While this will draw a snicker from the SLC faithful-- replacing all wr's, 9 defenders and your qb next year will be more challenging.No snicker from me. I agree. There will be plenty of no-names on the starting units next year. On the bright side Riley and Tre are coming along nicely.

[slcsportsfan]

Let me start my post by saying that these type of comparisons are awesome when they are applicable to your school.

As for 04 vs 05, you will find that most of us who have folllowed the Dragons for years will tell you that both teams are better than the other in certain areas. The 05 defense is better than the 04. The 05 offense is putting up great numbers this year. I think everyone can agree that our district, as a whole, is not as good as last years. I think this is allowing our young players to mature while under fire. Hopefully, by the playoffs, they should be ready for the run. Maybe Grapevine is better than last year, Heritage... sometimes, other than that, not even close.

The Daniel/McElroy comparison is amusing to me, The bottome line is that both have had Coach Dodge. Chase is a different QB than Greg. Doesn't make one better or worse. Chase is more cerebral than Greg and could run better, Chase had the fortune of having the best athlete around in Luna to act as a calming force when things were heated. Greg has a fantastic arm, haven't seen him miss many 40+ yarders in stride. Can go when he must. Greg also has shown he can get the ball to a number of receivers, Chase would tend to find a mismatch and ride it the whole game.

Luna/Newton comparisons are the most glaring, in my opinion. People tend to forget that Luna was to come up for the playoffs in 02. What kept that from happening was Mono. He missed the last 2 games his freshman year. When he arrived his sophomore year, he played like he had been there forever. He returned the opening kickoff of the year 45 yards or so & was the starting deep snapper a week after he was in some foreign country playing baseball for the USA team. It seemed that, while Luna was here, he played his best in the bigger games, or when things were trying to get out of hand. Fumbled the ball only 4 times in 3 years and never missed a game due to injury. The first time Tre plays a full season will be his first. As I have posted in the past, they are two different types of runners. Case in point, the play where a QB named Chase would follow Luna into a whole isn't run much with this group. Tre will be fine in the years to come, asking him to be Luna is unfair to him. There will be some aspects that he just can't do. Just as if we asked Luna to be the same type of back that Tre is.

[BAMF cowboy]

Shutouts:

2004: 0
2005: 2

[Fleeman93]

Sportsfan you sound like a voice of reason. I was just making a point in another thread that I didn't think this offense was as good as last years team. It isn't a hit on McElroy or Newton, but I just think the other two were better for the spread at this point. I know it isn't fair to compare Newton to Luna, but I guess that is my point.

[dragonsdaddy]

the spread has evolved from what everyone thought it would be on inception. many teams run almost exclusively and pretty successfully so out of the spread. success of an offense is measured better by overall production and wins than by any other measure. it is entirely possible for a team to be 75-25(pass) out of the spread like ennis generally is and be very successful. the other extreme is also the case.

i would be surprised if many pairs of athletes could successfully out-perform the 2 srs with 96 starts between them(at last viewing) right out of the box. considering the numbers they have put up, however, they may be doing just that by game 16(if they are so lucky). they are still on the steeper part of the learning curve.

[SLCDad]

I realize it's totally unfair to compare a senior with 38 varsity starts (through 6 games) to a sophmore with 3-4 varsity starts, but here is a comparison of Aaron Luna's 2004 stats to Tre Newton's 2005 stats through six games. Newton was platooned at RB for the first 2-3 games.

Name . . . . . . Attempts . Yards . Yards/Carry . TDs
Aaron Luna. . . . 75 . . . . .761. . . . 10.1 . . . . .8
Tre Newton . . . .51 . . . . .629 . . . .12.3 . . . . .5

[Its In The Bag]

SLC....psssh they have alot of hype going for them, For some reason i just dont see them winning the State ship again

[drgnbkr]

[QUOTE=Its In The Bag]SLC....psssh they have alot of hype going for them, For some reason i just dont see them winning the State ship again
QUOTE]


He says..Uh Uh...no way....uh uh ....

[dragons08]

I think if they played each other SLC would win in a landslide.
i dont know...goes into 6 overtimes, when ortega kicks a field goal, then theres controversy, because hes kicking for both teams!

[Fleeman93]

As I have said in previous threads Dad, I have no doubt that Newton may be a better running back, but he is nowhere near Luna as far as a spread back goes.

[TXfbfan]

which team had the tougher schedule

[ALLIN]

Almost identical schedules this year, by the way, this years defense really has 3 shutouts, Haltom only had an interception return for a td (they were averaging like 30).

[Fleeman93]

If the competition is identical then maybe this offense is as good or better than last years.

[Blitzkreig]

As long time SLC watcher see an '05 team with an unusually mature OL and defense. OL protection of QB and execution for running game continues to improve. Defense remains VERY GOOD! Running backs looks very good with each bringing something different to the game; Moorfield appears to be the best blocker, which is so very important in the spread. Regarding QB stats, just saw a recruiting report on QB. Pass: 120/176/68pct./1875yds/26TDs; Run: 424yds/6TD's; total 2299yds/32TD's. Numbers indicate he is one of best in TX/nationally, particularly at top division levels. Wow...and, I understand, he recently turned 17. If my observations don't deceive me I don't see the '05 team "leveling off" as the '04 team appeared to do. This team continues to build and barring key injuries should "2-peat".

[Fleeman93]

So you think Moorfield is a better blocker than Newton?

[crunked9]

The 2002 team is better than both!

[implacable44]

I think a lot of fans care. SLC are the State Champs and are on track to repeat. In addition, SLC is one of the most discussed programs on this site and all posts appear to have considerable interest throughout the state.


maybe it should have been worded differently then. The title might give the appearance of a who would win type debate which is pointless. If you are analyzing statistics and saying this years team is as good or better than last years well there are a lot of variables to that. Other teams might be weaker - ie denton ryan appears to be a weaker team and I recall a post about the combined records of the teams SLC has played so far - I would be interested to see the combined record of the 2004 squad's opponents I guess - maybe I missed that. Maybe this is a good thing - that way if SLC loses this year - which is not likely - then all the billions of posts that will pile in can use this post as evidence that they would have beaten the 2004 squad too.

[SLCDad]

maybe it should have been worded differently then. The title might give the appearance of a who would win type debate which is pointless. If you are analyzing statistics and saying this years team is as good or better than last years well there are a lot of variables to that. Other teams might be weaker - ie denton ryan appears to be a weaker team and I recall a post about the combined records of the teams SLC has played so far - I would be interested to see the combined record of the 2004 squad's opponents I guess - maybe I missed that. Maybe this is a good thing - that way if SLC loses this year - which is not likely - then all the billions of posts that will pile in can use this post as evidence that they would have beaten the 2004 squad too.I started this thread to make a point that SLC hasn't slowed down any from last year. If fact, the two teams are remarkably similar statistically. They won't lose in district but anything can happen in the playoffs. There are some VERY good teams around the state with one outstanding team just down the road. Is SLC 2005 better than 2004? Who knows? 2004 got the ring. We'll see what happens the rest of this year.

[SLCDad]

i dont know...goes into 6 overtimes, when ortega kicks a field goal, then theres controversy, because hes kicking for both teams!Yes and McKay Jacobson catches a pass from McElroy but runs the wrong direction and scores for SLC 2004. The refs can't decide if it's a touchdown or a safety and then get really confused trying to decide who should kick-off and from which yard line. Later, Todd Dodge is accused of stealing the play signals from himself.

[football fanatic]

It is amusing to me to see all of this debate between Tre/McElroy and Luna/Daniel.......

By the time Luna and Daniel started their senior year they had already played in 32 Varsity games......nothing replaces experience.....

By the same token McElroy and Newton have played (extensively) in only 7 games......how do their numbers compare to Luna/Daniel after 7 games????

Both Newton and McElroy should feed excellent about their progress....Newton for his per carry average and McElroy for throwing 26 td's and only 3 ints.....

No one on this board expected either one to perform like they have so far.......

[dragonsdaddy]

i expected mcelroy to be what he's become. newton was the question mark. he's done very well and is improving in all areas. he hasn't dropped a pass yet and hasn't fumbled but once i believe.

[RidgePride]

If the competition is identical then maybe this offense is as good or better than last years.
Bottom line is that Carroll's offensive line has remained dominant. Many Quarterbacks that have at least 4 seconds to throw the ball can shred a defense especially if you have 4 to 5 receivers. It is almost impossible to cover that many receivers 4 to 5 seconds on every play.
That is where Carroll really has been killing teams.

Their timing has to be disrupted all night to have a chance to beat them.
You need 4 shut down corners and send the house. 7 guys coming with no slc receiver open after about 3 seconds would doom them. However, it is rare to find a team with 4-5 shut down corners.

or

Do like Katy did, Keep SLC's offense off the field and get lucky.
(Blocked punt safety)

[farmerfan]

The 2002 team is better than both!

If we go on past teams, i say the 92 team was the best of em all.

As far as this year or last year, I say this year based on defense. Carroll has had a underrated defense the last 3 years and this year's is the best of them all. I dont see anyone moving the football and scoring many points on them, so based on defense I give my nod to the 05 team, but this talk becomes irrelevant of this year's team does not win a state title.

[RidgePride]

If we go on past teams, i say the 92 team was the best of em all.

As far as this year or last year, I say this year based on defense. Carroll has had a underrated defense the last 3 years and this year's is the best of them all. I dont see anyone moving the football and scoring many points on them, so based on defense I give my nod to the 05 team, but this talk becomes irrelevant of this year's team does not win a state title.
When your offense scores in less than a minute, the defense will be on the field a lot and will give up points.

[TXfbfan]

Bottom line is that Carroll's offensive line has remained dominant. Many Quarterbacks that have at least 4 seconds to throw the ball can shred a defense especially if you have 4 to 5 receivers. It is almost impossible to cover that many receivers 4 to 5 seconds on every play.
That is where Carroll really has been killing teams.

Their timing has to be disrupted all night to have a chance to beat them.
You need 4 shut down corners and send the house. 7 guys coming with no slc receiver open after about 3 seconds would doom them. However, it is rare to find a team with 4-5 shut down corners.

or

Do like Katy did, Keep SLC's offense off the field and get lucky.
(Blocked punt safety)

get lucky???
obviously you werent at the game, Slc was lucky to be in the game. A couple of stalled out drives a great scrable by daniels to pick up a long 1st down after an offensive pass interference which eventually led slc to a touch down which regained them the lead and a mismanaged clock by katy before half time kept katy from pulling away. Im not a katy fan but that day Katy dominated the numbers but not the scoreboard.

[SLC13]

The 2002 team is better than both!Is that a little bias showing there, Crunked9?? :D

[dragonsdaddy]

get lucky???
obviously you werent at the game, Slc was lucky to be in the game. A couple of stalled out drives a great scrable by daniels to pick up a long 1st down after an offensive pass interference which eventually led slc to a touch down which regained them the lead and a mismanaged clock by katy before half time kept katy from pulling away. Im not a katy fan but that day Katy dominated the numbers but not the scoreboard.
the first half was all kt , but the domination switched ends in the second. still one of the best played games all the way thru(xcept for the time management) by kt. they stuck to their guns and it paid off.

[Fleeman93]

Who do you think changed their game plan in the second half of that game?

[crunked9]

Carroll has had a underrated defense the last 3 years and this year's is the best of them all. .


That would be a negative! The 2002 defense gave up 100 points in the first ten games! This years has given up 108 in 7 games!

And yes i may be bias, but i'm right! lol! :D

But i'm not trying to bring any Dragon team down! We all bleed green!

[dragonsdaddy]

Who do you think changed their game plan in the second half of that game?
i think slc o took the bull a little more by the horns. our defense had a little more success in the second, too. kt didn't need to change. why fix what ain't broke.

[dragonfootballfan]

That would be a negative! The 2002 defense gave up 100 points in the first ten games! This years has given up 108 in 7 games!

And yes i may be bias, but i'm right! lol! :D

But i'm not trying to bring any Dragon team down! We all bleed green!
you're right

2002 also scored 500 points through the first ten games. Besides the first game of the regular season and playoffs, the second team that year always played a full fourth quarter in the I-formation.

[Fleeman93]

The biggest change was that SLC started running the ball. Do you think that was by choice?

[dragonsdaddy]

well, the dodgeball decisions are almost always based on defensive sets/actions, so it was decided by how the defense is playing. since they only ran what-15 plays in the first half, if that many, they certainly didn't establish much. kt seemed to get back on their heels a little in the third and early 4th, and were not able to respond to the power shown by daniel and luna. i still don't know why we never went back to the deep route that we ran right out nof the chute. lots of whatifs could have changed that game in lots of ways.

[Fleeman93]

You didn't go to the deep route because Katy gave you the run. Now granted Katy didn't want to give you as much as they did, they still game planned to not let SLC's O beat them with the deep ball in the second half. I think Katy really thought they could contain the run better than they did and still stop the deep ball, but obviously they didn't.

[oldmanwoodlandsfan]

The Woodlands and North Shore 03 would have beaten BOTH of those teams!!

[Fleeman93]

North Shore, most likely. The Woods, not a chance.

[oldmanwoodlandsfan]

Fleeman Youre an idiot, NS beat TWH 23-7 and definately outplayed them, but I watched that team all year and NS definately didn't get TWH's best I can promise you that. I've watched SLC the past 2 years in the texas bowl and both eyars they have not impressed me at all. This past game verse a Denton Ryan was the most impressive preformance I've seen of them, but you have to take into account that this Dryan team is much weaker than they have been in the past. In 2003 North Shore and The Woodlands were by far the best two teams in the state, adn either one of them would have won it if they had played Katy or SLC that year. I think the announcer said during the NS-TWH game there was over 25 D-1 atheltes playing or something like that. Both of those teams would no problem, would be able to handle SLC.

[Fleeman93]

Not talking about SLC! ;)

[SLCDad]

Fleeman Youre an idiot, NS beat TWH 23-7 and definately outplayed them, but I watched that team all year and NS definately didn't get TWH's best I can promise you that. I've watched SLC the past 2 years in the texas bowl and both eyars they have not impressed me at all. This past game verse a Denton Ryan was the most impressive preformance I've seen of them, but you have to take into account that this Dryan team is much weaker than they have been in the past. In 2003 North Shore and The Woodlands were by far the best two teams in the state, adn either one of them would have won it if they had played Katy or SLC that year. I think the announcer said during the NS-TWH game there was over 25 D-1 atheltes playing or something like that. Both of those teams would no problem, would be able to handle SLC.Fortunately, SLC doesn't need to impress you over the TV. Their record on the field against the best in Texas is all the impressing they need to do.

[Sloth]

It is too bad they do not get a chance to play one another. I always thought it would be fun if SLC would schedule one of the Houston powers. If we had one state champ they still would not play because they would probable add a 6A classification. And considering both of these schools double the enrollment of SLC they would be 6A. Just think if you placed SLC and the close by Colleyville Heritage in one school they would still not be as large as The Woodlands.

[SLCDad]

It is too bad they do not get a chance to play one another. I always thought it would be fun if SLC would schedule one of the Houston powers. If we had one state champ they still would not play because they would probable add a 6A classification. And considering both of these schools double the enrollment of SLC they would be 6A. Just think if you placed SLC and the close by Colleyville Heritage in one school they would still not be as large as The Woodlands.I made the comment that I did because so many people make stupid comments like oldmanwoodlandsfan did. I've heard it again and again. "I saw you on TV and I wasn't impressed". That's a silly homer comment.

The chances of SLC playing The Woodlands or North Shore are slim because of SLC's small size. All of the stars need to be in alignment for SLC to go D1. However, the stars could align this year.

[farmerfan]

That would be a negative! The 2002 defense gave up 100 points in the first ten games! This years has given up 108 in 7 games!

And yes i may be bias, but i'm right! lol! :D

But i'm not trying to bring any Dragon team down! We all bleed green!

Well I think you could make a case that so far the 05 Dragons have had it a little tougher than the 02 Dragons. In district alone it is much tougher than going up against the likes of Lewisville, FM, Marcus and The Colony who were not exactly offensive powerhouses.
It is all based on opinion and so far I think that the 05 Dragon defense is better than the 02-04 version, that is not saying those other were not good defenses, cause they were, its just I think this bunch is better.

[Fleeman93]

I made the comment that I did because so many people make stupid comments like oldmanwoodlandsfan did. I've heard it again and again. "I saw you on TV and I wasn't impressed". That's a silly homer comment.

Why is it silly to say you weren't impressed with a team that you saw play? I certainly was impressed with SLC, but that is not to say that someone else might not have been.

[farmerfan]

Why is it silly to say you weren't impressed with a team that you saw play? I certainly was impressed with SLC, but that is not to say that someone else might not have been.


Because everyone hates a winner, and when you win like southlake has over the last 4 years, people will do anything to convince themselves that they are not a impressive football team. I dont know how it is not impressive when a team goes on the road against one of the states top programs, and beats them 41-0.
As SLCDAD said, it is purely a homer comment, I dont know how anyone could not be impressed with Carroll, when they opened up against Midland Lee, to me they looked like they were struggling but 4 quarters later the offense had put up 40+ points and the defense was dominating the Lee offense. Bottome line is that the Dragons are a impressive football team.

[Fleeman93]

Because everyone hates a winner, and when you win like southlake has over the last 4 years, people will do anything to convince themselves that they are not a impressive football team. I dont know how it is not impressive when a team goes on the road against one of the states top programs, and beats them 41-0.
As SLCDAD said, it is purely a homer comment, I dont know how anyone could not be impressed with Carroll, when they opened up against Midland Lee, to me they looked like they were struggling but 4 quarters later the offense had put up 40+ points and the defense was dominating the Lee offense. Bottome line is that the Dragons are a impressive football team.

I agree 100% that I don't understand how someone couldn't have been impressed with SLC's performance against Ryan, but he still can have the opinion that he wasn't impressed. His opinion might have held a little more water with everyone had he backed it with a few facts.

[SLCDad]

Why is it silly to say you weren't impressed with a team that you saw play? I certainly was impressed with SLC, but that is not to say that someone else might not have been.Do you think a valid evaluation can be made watching one game on TV? When statements like that are made they are homer comments and are really a cheap shot at the other team.

[crunked9]

Well I think you could make a case that so far the 05 Dragons have had it a little tougher than the 02 Dragons. In district alone it is much tougher than going up against the likes of Lewisville, FM, Marcus and The Colony who were not exactly offensive powerhouses.
It is all based on opinion and so far I think that the 05 Dragon defense is better than the 02-04 version, that is not saying those other were not good defenses, cause they were, its just I think this bunch is better.

This is probably true! But i have had tho chance to watch both play and play against one of them for 16 weeks! And having seen some of the offenses the 05 team has played against i would have to give it to the 02 team! B/c most of the teams carroll has played this year look "not good" on offense! But never the less, they are both carroll teams and thats all that matters! But ofcourse its fun to talk about! I hope SLC makes it to state and it's in San Antonio! We need another out of town party! lol

[Fleeman93]

Do you think a valid evaluation can be made watching one game on TV? When statements like that are made they are homer comments and are really a cheap shot at the other team.

Getting to see a game and make an evaluation is better than not seeing any teams play (see all HS national championship teams).

[SLCDad]

Getting to see a game and make an evaluation is better than not seeing any teams play (see all HS national championship teams).Wow . . . . I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Could we grow up a bit please? Now you are sounding as foolish as the other guy.

[Fleeman93]

Wow . . . . I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Could we grow up a bit please? Now you are sounding as foolish as the other guy.


Not at all. Your argument is that this guy can't say that SLC didn't impress him based on watching one game. So how can national writers proclaim a team national champs even though they may not see any of the teams play. On the same note, I guess KT2000 and KTChamp are both foolish because they rank teams and haven't seen them play. How foolish!

[TXfbfan]

Fleeman Youre an idiot, NS beat TWH 23-7 and definately outplayed them, but I watched that team all year and NS definately didn't get TWH's best I can promise you that. I've watched SLC the past 2 years in the texas bowl and both eyars they have not impressed me at all. This past game verse a Denton Ryan was the most impressive preformance I've seen of them, but you have to take into account that this Dryan team is much weaker than they have been in the past. In 2003 North Shore and The Woodlands were by far the best two teams in the state, adn either one of them would have won it if they had played Katy or SLC that year. I think the announcer said during the NS-TWH game there was over 25 D-1 atheltes playing or something like that. Both of those teams would no problem, would be able to handle SLC.

who was the best team NS played all year. They did the same thing in 04 smoked a bunch of weak teams then played a good westfield team and got dominated. I dont care fow many D1 players they all had ,in high school football coaching and tradition is most important D1s are a luxury. If teams one of strictly talent Katy, SLC and Smithson Valley would never win state, but year in year out they are there.

Both SLC and Katy would have beat those teams, and Lufkin could have too.

[oldmanwoodlandsfan]

SLC looks VERY good this year don't get me wrong. I am JUST saying that the 03 teams of THW and NS were VERY VERY good, big schools or not.... Don't get all bent out of shape I'm not discrediting SLC's accomplishments at all, they deserve everything they have won and I'm happy for their succes. I was simply saying that Watching those teams back in 03 was a lot of fun and had some MAJOR talent.

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

at least in 04 vs 05 some version of todd dodge could see what it's like to have the score run up on you.

[dragonfootballfan]

I made the comment that I did because so many people make stupid comments like oldmanwoodlandsfan did. I've heard it again and again. "I saw you on TV and I wasn't impressed". That's a silly homer comment.

I think the reason that nobody looks good on TV is because people are so used to watching a college or pro game on TV. Those players are bigger, faster and stronger. It would be expected that the teams don't look impressive.

[Fleeman93]

I thought SLC looked very impressive on TV.

[DragonFan]

What was impressive was the the Dragon Defense made a Ryan Offense that was averaging around 38+ points a game look completely out of sync! The SLC offense had a bunch of long plays and did not panic on 3rd and long situations. In fact they scored at least 2 TD's on 3rd and long plays.

I thought that the SLC offense played uninspired or looked almost like a team set on autopilot but when you look at the results it is impressive. It is something to say that your offense was flat yet you still put up 41 points on a team that is phyced up to stop you because of the last few games that you have had against them.

Impressed or not really does not matter. For those who have seen the Dragons play for 3 1/2 years, it was an impressive performance against a district and coaching rival.

[SLCDad]

Not at all. Your argument is that this guy can't say that SLC didn't impress him based on watching one game. So how can national writers proclaim a team national champs even though they may not see any of the teams play. On the same note, I guess KT2000 and KTChamp are both foolish because they rank teams and haven't seen them play. How foolish!This is easy. You are making my points for me.

KT2000 and KTChamp know MUCH MORE about the teams they rank than watching them one time on TV. Give me a break. The same is true with many of the national polls. Just this week the National Prep Poll swapped Mission Viejo and SLC in the #1 and #2 positions in their poll. Here is part of what the Dallas Morning News reported:

"PrepNation.com publisher and football editor Jamie DeMoney said he expects questions about moving Carroll ahead of Mission Viejo, particularly since Mission Viejo is undefeated. DeMoney posted several reasons why Carroll deserved the top spot, but his focus was on comparing Carroll's 2004 team with this year's team.

"They haven't missed a beat on offense, and they look better on defense than last year," DeMoney said of Carroll. "With Mission Viejo, they're not quite at the level as they were last year. That can be debated pretty well, but that's our estimation.

"I don't think there are many Mission Viejo fans who would disagree, because they were so impressive and had the national player of the year [quarterback Mark Sanchez] last year. Southlake Carroll is pretty close to where it was last year, if not better."

The National Prep Football Poll has been compiled weekly since 1987."

I'd suggest you quit attempting to make the case that an evaluation based on watching a team on TV one time is worth much.

[SLCDad]

SLC looks VERY good this year don't get me wrong. I am JUST saying that the 03 teams of THW and NS were VERY VERY good, big schools or not.... Don't get all bent out of shape I'm not discrediting SLC's accomplishments at all, they deserve everything they have won and I'm happy for their succes. I was simply saying that Watching those teams back in 03 was a lot of fun and had some MAJOR talent.I'm not bent out of shape at all. I still say that comments like "I saw them on TV and I wasn't impressed" are shallow at best and totally foolish at worst.

A couple of months ago I saw Hoover Alabama play on TV. As I watched the game I thought to myself that this team is horrible; they could never compete with most Texas teams. However, upon doing a bit of research I've learned that Hoover is one of the best teams in the nation. If I had gone to a discussion forum and said "I saw Hoover on TV and I wasn't impressed" it would have been very ignorant on my part.

SLC could have competed very well with both North Shore and The Woodlands in 2003 despite your "one game on TV" impression to the contrary.

[crunked9]

This would be so much easier if football had a single champion for each classification! Like every other sport! Cut this crap of "oh we got 3rd in district we made the playoffs!" It should be at most 2 teams from each district! So we can have one bracket and see who is the best team! Hell then we could take the champion from each division and see who the best team in the whole state is!

[Fleeman93]

Dad I have a friend that is just like you. He is never wrong about anything (in his mind anyway). He is a real arrogant and egotistical jackass. Ok, let me slow way down and see if I can explain this in a way that a simple like you can understand. First of all an someone being impressed or not being impressed is an opinion. If the guy said he wasn't impressed then he wasn't impressed and there is no way in hell you can object to that. Second, the guy formed his opinion based on watching a game of football. A game of football which implies one game. One game of football is more than no games of football. If a national writer doesn't see a game of football then this guy has seen more games then most of the writers that vote. How is the writer's opinion any more valid than this guys. Let's go ahead and take it a step further by me asking you how in the hell you think SLC is better than Westfield, North Shore, or Katy for that matter? I am guessing that you have never seen these teams play but yet you think SLC is better than them. That makes absolutely no sense at all. I know it is hard for you to understand and justify this since you have a problem accepting plain facts, but you really should try.

[SLCDad]

Dad I have a friend that is just like you. He is never wrong about anything (in his mind anyway). He is a real arrogant and egotistical jackass. Ok, let me slow way down and see if I can explain this in a way that a simple like you can understand. First of all an someone being impressed or not being impressed is an opinion. If the guy said he wasn't impressed then he wasn't impressed and there is no way in hell you can object to that. Second, the guy formed his opinion based on watching a game of football. A game of football which implies one game. One game of football is more than no games of football. If a national writer doesn't see a game of football then this guy has seen more games then most of the writers that vote. How is the writer's opinion any more valid than this guys. Let's go ahead and take it a step further by me asking you how in the hell you think SLC is better than Westfield, North Shore, or Katy for that matter? I am guessing that you have never seen these teams play but yet you think SLC is better than them. That makes absolutely no sense at all. I know it is hard for you to understand and justify this since you have a problem accepting plain facts, but you really should try.LOL Who said SLC was better? Not me. (go back a read again)

Of course people have the right to an opinion, however, if it's based on watching one game on TV the opinion isn't worth very much.

Frankly, I'm amazed that you are going to such lengths to suggest otherwise.

[Fleeman93]

LOL Who said SLC was better? Not me. (go back a read again)

So at no time you have ever said that SLC is the best team in state or that they are the number one ranked team in state and defended it?

Of course people have the right to an opinion, however, if it's based on watching one game on TV the opinion isn't worth very much.

Well he made his opinion based on his observation. You attacking him for that opinion was the only thing that was wrong. I quote "I made the comment that I did because so many people make stupid comments like oldmanwoodlandsfan did. I've heard it again and again. "I saw you on TV and I wasn't impressed". That's a silly homer comment." Pretty fair of you to call his opinion "stupid" and a "silly homer comment." This entire board is nothing but opinions and most of them are "silly homer comments", but it doesn't seem to be a problem with you until one is made against your program.

Frankly, I'm amazed that you are going to such lengths to suggest otherwise.

Frankly, I'm not going to any lengths to suggest anything. I am making a point and supporting it with facts.

[SLCDad]

SLCDad: LOL Who said SLC was better? Not me. (go back a read again)

Flee: So at no time you have ever said that SLC is the best team in state or that they are the number one ranked team in state and defended it?

A little bait and switch I see. LOL We were talking about NS and The Woodlands. Don't change the subject.


SLCDad: Of course people have the right to an opinion, however, if it's based on watching one game on TV the opinion isn't worth very much.

Flee: Well he made his opinion based on his observation. You attacking him for that opinion was the only thing that was wrong. I quote "I made the comment that I did because so many people make stupid comments like oldmanwoodlandsfan did. I've heard it again and again. "I saw you on TV and I wasn't impressed". That's a silly homer comment." Pretty fair of you to call his opinion "stupid" and a "silly homer comment." This entire board is nothing but opinions and most of them are "silly homer comments", but it doesn't seem to be a problem with you until one is made against your program.

You finally agreed that it was a silly homer comment. It took you long enough. That was my point all along. Welcome aboard!


SLCDad: Frankly, I'm amazed that you are going to such lengths to suggest otherwise.

Flee: Frankly, I'm not going to any lengths to suggest anything. I am making a point and supporting it with facts.

I realize it's tough for you to admit it.

[ALLIN]

Why would a silly homer comment be a problem for him IF is is NOT about his program? That is stupid. I dont care what people say about......say Lufkin, or Katy, or ET; but when they start saying things about SLC you defend them right. It is like someone calling YOUR brother an idiot, I dont care, but if he calls MY brother an idiot, I will defend him......get it?

[Fleeman93]

If someone were to call my dead brother an idiot and support it with facts then I would have absolutly no problem with it at all.

[ALLIN]

LOL, sad, but funny!

[Fleeman93]

SLCDad: LOL Who said SLC was better? Not me. (go back a read again)

Flee: So at no time you have ever said that SLC is the best team in state or that they are the number one ranked team in state and defended it?

A little bait and switch I see. LOL We were talking about NS and The Woodlands. Don't change the subject.

If at any time, ever, you said SLC was the number one team in the state then you would be implying that they are better than NS and the Woodlands.


SLCDad: Of course people have the right to an opinion, however, if it's based on watching one game on TV the opinion isn't worth very much.

Flee: Well he made his opinion based on his observation. You attacking him for that opinion was the only thing that was wrong. I quote "I made the comment that I did because so many people make stupid comments like oldmanwoodlandsfan did. I've heard it again and again. "I saw you on TV and I wasn't impressed". That's a silly homer comment." Pretty fair of you to call his opinion "stupid" and a "silly homer comment." This entire board is nothing but opinions and most of them are "silly homer comments", but it doesn't seem to be a problem with you until one is made against your program.

You finally agreed that it was a silly homer comment. It took you long enough. That was my point all along. Welcome aboard!

Exactly, I don't agree with his OPINION but it is neither my place or yours, Dad, to tell him it is wrong, silly, or stupid. A better approach for you, which I would suggest you try in the future, would have been to say I don't agree with your opinion that SLC looked unimpressive, and here is why..........


SLCDad: Frankly, I'm amazed that you are going to such lengths to suggest otherwise.

Flee: Frankly, I'm not going to any lengths to suggest anything. I am making a point and supporting it with facts.

I realize it's tough for you to admit it.

You think it is hard for me to admit that this guy had an opinion? Are you slow?

[Fleeman93]

LOL, sad, but funny!

Which part is sad and which part is funny? If someone can prove something to me with facts then who am I to say they are wrong?

[SLCDad]

Flee: Unbelievable circular logic. At least in the end you agree with me. That's good.

It was a silly homer opinion but, yes, he has the right to have it.

Whew! Are we done now?

[dragonsdaddy]

i have tired head, and i've been skipping most of the rhetoric anyway. will the winner take their trophy and get some rest. we may have something important come up any day now.

[SLCDad]

i have tired head, and i've been skipping most of the rhetoric anyway. will the winner take their trophy and get some rest. we may have something important come up any day now.Considering the Dragon's schedule over the next three weeks something important coming up doesn't seen likely any time real soon. We are left to pridefully argue silly stuff.

My apologies for this last discussion.

[dragonsdaddy]

we have almost endless discussions of great bearing and importance as to the chances of g-vine making all the experts who predicted a down year(may yet happen) look stupid, by making the po's. and whether dr can hold off the wolves and stay in themselves, needing a win in the last 3 to get a tie and 2 to go for sure. who said ties are like kissing one's sister.

[Fleeman93]

Flee: Unbelievable circular logic. At least in the end you agree with me. That's good.

The only thing that I agree with you on is that SLC looked impressive.

It was a silly homer opinion but, yes, he has the right to have it.

Unbelievable circular logic. At least in the end you agree with me. That's good.

Whew! Are we done now?

I was done before we started.

[SLCDad]

I was done before we started.Most people feel the same way when they argue with me. :p

[DrEdward]

Is that a little bias showing there, Crunked9?? :D


I think crunked9 would call it objectivity. After all, he made a title saving catch against that Lufkin squad in 02, not to mention a few other good plays that year.

[dragonsdaddy]

hey crunked- got a call from 6 yesterday, and the bb coach at acu approached him about playing this spring. he was mucho excited. looks like you may be playing each other for a change.

[lonny23]

SLC is better in 2005 than 2004. Sorry for the bad news around Texas.

[Fleeman93]

I don't disagree with you Lonny. You are a man of facts, so give us some facts that back up this claim. I honestly want to know.

[drgnbkr]

I don't disagree with you Lonny. You are a man of facts, so give us some facts that back up this claim. I honestly want to know.

Any stats quoted showing Carroll to be the top offense in the state are usually met with "but they have'nt played anybody"....so we'll just leave that to the objective. I will say that the offense is more balanced this year between run & pass, the o-line is better, the WR corp is the deepest ever. While every one knows we miss Luna, things are ok in the running back area. The D is improved over last year. The corners are covering well, and overall the linebackers are very solid. The d has proven that they can defend against the run, as no one has scored meaningful points running the ball. The place kicking game is as good as anyones, while punting remains an adventure, the Dragons don't need to do that often.

[lonny23]

I don't disagree with you Lonny. You are a man of facts, so give us some facts that back up this claim. I honestly want to know.
Their power rating is up to 209 or 210 and it was around 198 last year. That means they're 11-12 points better than they were last year after the playoffs. They might end up being one of the top 2 rated teams of all time in Texas Football Ratings.

[lonny23]

Any stats quoted showing Carroll to be the top offense in the state are usually met with "but they have'nt played anybody"....so we'll just leave that to the objective. I will say that the offense is more balanced this year between run & pass, the o-line is better, the WR corp is the deepest ever. While every one knows we miss Luna, things are ok in the running back area. The D is improved over last year. The corners are covering well, and overall the linebackers are very solid. The d has proven that they can defend against the run, as no one has scored meaningful points running the ball. The place kicking game is as good as anyones, while punting remains an adventure, the Dragons don't need to do that often.
Yeah, they'll say something if they don't want to agree with me.

[Fleeman93]

Power rankings are all derived from stats. Stats are only good if you evaluate all of the angles. Katy has broken or is on pace to break a bunch of school records this year, but I don't put much into that due to the level of competition. Facts gentleman we need facts.