Strength of schedule for the final 8

[Shoot2thrill]

Not sure of what to make of this but according to this very site's method of calculating the strength of schedule, here is the SOS of the final 8 teams after 11 games. Apparently this wasn't calculated after the 11th game. I thought it was interesting who had the highest and lowest SOS.;)

Converse Judson- 4

Pflugerville- 18

San Antonio Madison- 25

Abilene- 42

Northshore- 57

E. Trinity- 71

Plano- 87

Katy- 126

[t-long20]

When we played madison they talked about our SOS in every other post. So according to there theory,they should have no problem beating Katy:D

[big guy 65]

how do they judge this?

[Butch Fifield]

well i guess now you have to decide whether you would rather be first in that list with 4 losses or last on the list with 0 losses.

[Shoot2thrill]

well i guess now you have to decide whether you would rather be first in that list with 4 losses or last on the list with 0 losses.

My take: As long as you are still playing in mid-December, who cares about SOS. :puke;)

[SMC020]

So what is this telling me? Judson had the easiest SOS or the hardest :confused:

[Shoot2thrill]

So what is this telling me? Judson had the easiest SOS or the hardest :confused:

Hardest. It's like golf, the lower numbers are better.:cool:

[SMC020]

Hardest. It's like golf, the lower numbers are better.:cool:

OK great.............then we should beat NS with ease :rolleyes: LOL All kidding aside....this is going to be a hard fought game.

[jbusch]

More fun with #'s

masseys after 12 games has the following SOS ratings of the texas 5a teams

ET - 1
Plano - 7
abilene - 19
Pf ville -29
Judson - 72
katy - 79
SA Mad - 101
NS - 131

[texalaska]

Calpreps: {through all 14 games}

http://calpreps.com/2007/ratings/Texas_all.htm

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L
1 Trinity (Euless, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 7 5A 13-1 7-0 (1st) 12-1 63 35.5 95-63
WINS: #70 Bowie (Arlington, TX) (21-14), #97 Permian (Odessa, TX) (38-14), #342 Waco (TX) (27-7), #718 Martin (Arlington, TX) (31-0), #929 Lewisville (TX) (42-17), #1200 MacArthur (Irving, TX) (48-10), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (21-10), #1740 Dallas Jesuit (Dallas, TX) (24-0), #2353 Bell (Hurst, TX) (44-0), #2533 South Grand Prairie (Grand Prairie, TX) (34-10), #3785 Irving (TX) (43-7), #6322 Grand Prairie (TX) (31-0), #7122 Nimitz (Irving, TX) (38-0), LOSSES: #97 Permian (Odessa, TX) (30-3)

2 Plano (TX) Texas 5A Region II District 9 5A 13-1 6-1 (2nd) 13-1 56.7 34.7 87-74
WINS: #201 Skyline (Dallas, TX) (41-20), #219 Westfield (Houston, TX) (31-19), #594 Mesquite (TX) (28-7), #594 Mesquite (TX) (31-13), #672 Rockwall (TX) (42-35), #1071 Plano East (Plano, TX) (28-14), #1095 Rowlett (TX) (35-6), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (42-7), #1378 Plano West (Plano, TX) (14-9), #1469 Wylie (TX) (35-7), #3144 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (41-6), #3502 Berkner (Richardson, TX) (27-7), #10073 Richardson (TX) (42-7), LOSSES: #404 Allen (TX) (35-26)

3 Bowie (Arlington, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 8 5A 12-2 6-1 (2nd) 10-2 56.5 34.4 100-60
WINS: #201 Skyline (Dallas, TX) (17-7), #352 Cedar Hill (TX) (57-45), #489 Coronado (Lubbock, TX) (37-14), #718 Martin (Arlington, TX) (49-21), #781 Marcus (Flower Mound, TX) (35-7), #1200 Lamar (Arlington, TX) (35-14), #1408 Ryan (Denton, TX) (27-7), #1810 Arlington (TX) (43-3), #2353 Bell (Hurst, TX) (48-0), #2655 Duncanville (TX) (42-14), #6538 Dunbar (Fort Worth, TX) (54-6), #9149 Houston (Arlington, TX) (50-0), LOSSES: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (21-14), #525 De Soto (TX) (24-23)

4 Permian (Odessa, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 3 5A 12-1 5-0 (1st) 12-1 54.5 35.1 91-60
WINS: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (30-3), #118 Abilene (TX) (28-21), #694 Montwood (El Paso, TX) (37-17), #940 Lee (Midland, TX) (31-7), #1575 Monterey (Lubbock, TX) (44-7), #1705 Midland (TX) (52-16), #1732 Mansfield (TX) (60-21), #1783 Cooper (Abilene, TX) (40-14), #2934 Odessa (TX) (49-13), #3043 Amarillo (TX) (56-7), #3219 Tascosa (Amarillo, TX) (47-28), #6827 Lubbock (TX) (69-14), LOSSES: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (38-14)

5 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 18 5A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 14-0 54.5 22.7 81-75-1
WINS: #899 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (42-0), #966 Pasadena Memorial (Pasadena, TX) (30-14), #1241 Klein (TX) (45-0), #1597 A&M Consolidated (College Station, TX) (41-14), #1654 Strake Jesuit (Houston, TX) (51-18), #2469 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (24-13), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (48-7), #3589 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (38-9), #3972 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (63-3), #4022 Madison (Houston, TX) (42-8), #4185 Taylor (Katy, TX) (48-0), #4968 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (45-6), #4968 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (38-0), #7690 Morton Ranch (Katy, TX) (52-12), LOSSES: none

6 Highland Park (Dallas, TX) Texas 4A Region II District 10 4A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 13-0 54.3 27 92-67
WINS: #638 Waxahachie (TX) (35-13), #718 West Mesquite (Mesquite, TX) (49-6), #718 West Mesquite (Mesquite, TX) (38-20), #1095 Kilgore (TX) (38-6), #1235 Rockwall-Heath (Rockwall, TX) (31-14), #1597 Frisco (TX) (31-26), #1597 Frisco (TX) (49-28), #1763 South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) (36-13), #2315 Pearce (Richardson, TX) (45-20), #2918 Poteet (Mesquite, TX) (42-21), #4185 Forney (TX) (42-7), #4756 Bishop Lynch (Dallas, TX) (56-0), #4952 Greenville (TX) (59-21), #5724 Terrell (TX) (31-0), LOSSES: none

7 Everman (TX) Texas 4A Region I District 8 4A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 12-0 54.2 23.1 89-70
WINS: #156 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) (21-19), #267 Stephenville (TX) (31-28), #418 Aledo (TX) (35-28), #1469 Wichita Falls (TX) (33-14), #1469 Wichita Falls (TX) (50-19), #2448 Hereford (TX) (48-6), #2934 Crowley (TX) (30-3), #3609 Kennedale (TX) (31-13), #4265 Cleburne (TX) (35-20), #5619 Alvarado (TX) (55-0), #5931 Joshua (TX) (45-0), #6322 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (32-0), #6538 Dunbar (Fort Worth, TX) (57-21), #7721 Mineral Wells (TX) (43-13), LOSSES: none

8 Abilene (TX) Texas 5A Region I District 3 5A 13-1 4-1 (2nd) 12-1 53.2 31.9 93-70
WINS: #167 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (22-21), #396 Hebron (Carrollton, TX) (20-10), #594 Mesquite (TX) (13-10), #940 Lee (Midland, TX) (37-13), #1095 Westlake (Austin, TX) (31-10), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (21-6), #1408 Ryan (Denton, TX) (49-41), #1575 Monterey (Lubbock, TX) (17-0), #1705 Midland (TX) (45-17), #1783 Cooper (Abilene, TX) (34-10), #2243 Coronado (El Paso, TX) (56-18), #2934 Odessa (TX) (33-26), #6481 Weatherford (TX) (48-14), LOSSES: #97 Permian (Odessa, TX) (28-21)

9 Madison (San Antonio, TX) Texas 5A Region IV District 26 5A 13-1 7-1 (1st) 13-1 50.8 28.8 99-65
WINS: #205 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) (29-14), #205 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) (38-35), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (42-14), #1200 Warren (San Antonio, TX) (17-13), #1249 O'Connor (Helotes, TX) (55-15), #2038 Roosevelt (San Antonio, TX) (38-10), #2224 Churchill (San Antonio, TX) (28-14), #2224 San Marcos (TX) (22-14), #2612 Weslaco (TX) (59-42), #2838 Wagner (San Antonio, TX) (42-7), #4685 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) (35-0), #6122 Lee (San Antonio, TX) (62-0), #6381 Seguin (TX) (50-0), LOSSES: #352 Judson (Converse, TX) (20-17)

10 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) Texas 4A Region I District 5 4A 12-2 6-0 (1st) 11-2 50.6 26.1 85-75
WINS: #267 Stephenville (TX) (32-29), #583 Frenship (Wolfforth, TX) (31-7), #940 Lee (Midland, TX) (42-35), #1408 Ryan (Denton, TX) (45-7), #1469 Wichita Falls (TX) (56-13), #2514 Estacado (Lubbock, TX) (56-0), #3688 Denison (TX) (63-21), #4538 Sherman (TX) (45-13), #6322 Springtown (TX) (42-14), #7015 Plainview (TX) (51-0), #8672 Guyer (Denton, TX) (48-10), #9419 Denton (TX) (41-7), LOSSES: #101 Everman (TX) (21-19), #267 Stephenville (TX) (27-15)

11 Pflugerville (TX) Texas 5A Region II District 14 5A 11-3 4-3 (4th) 11-3 50.5 37.5 96-65
WINS: #196 Longview (TX) (35-14), #396 Georgetown (TX) (28-14), #555 Cedar Park (TX) (28-14), #606 Klein Forest (Houston, TX) (18-7), #966 McNeil (Austin, TX) (49-14), #1001 Temple (TX) (34-31), #1010 Westwood (Austin, TX) (38-19), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (20-18), #1522 Bryan (TX) (23-16), #1597 A&M Consolidated (College Station, TX) (21-16), #2224 San Marcos (TX) (48-21), LOSSES: #242 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) (39-34), #376 Leander (TX) (37-36), #444 Round Rock (TX) (31-10)

12 Liberty Hill (TX) Texas 3A Region III District 18 3A 13-0 4-0 (1st) 12-0 50.2 20.9 80-68
WINS: #651 Cuero (TX) (49-35), #1134 Carthage (TX) (41-14), #1886 Robinson (TX) (42-14), #1976 Navasota (TX) (48-14), #2918 Wimberley (TX) (35-10), #3043 Connally (Waco, TX) (33-13), #3043 Rockdale (TX) (37-25), #3199 Burnet (TX) (34-17), #3309 Pleasanton (TX) (49-7), #4467 Yoe (Cameron, TX) (63-14), #4490 Hutto (TX) (52-7), #8265 Gatesville (TX) (70-7), #8296 Taylor (TX) (52-7), LOSSES: none

13 Carroll (Southlake, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 5 5A 11-2 7-0 (1st) 11-1 50 31.4 78-67
WINS: #352 Cedar Hill (TX) (37-18), #672 Rockwall (TX) (49-42), #1259 Flower Mound (TX) (35-24), #1359 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (42-14), #1575 Grapevine (TX) (49-21), #3144 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (42-10), #3276 Keller (TX) (42-13), #3355 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (54-14), #4063 Northwest (Justin, TX) (65-24), #6322 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (58-6), #7015 Keller Central (Keller, TX) (63-16), LOSSES: #47 Northwestern (Miami, FL) (29-21), #118 Abilene (TX) (22-21)

14 Longview (TX) Texas 5A Region II District 12 5A 12-2 5-0 (1st) 10-2 48.8 32.3 98-67
WINS: #73 Curtis (River Ridge, LA) (24-20), #376 Leander (TX) (40-21), #498 South Garland (Garland, TX) (28-14), #594 Mesquite (TX) (22-14), #620 Lufkin (TX) (31-24), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (20-12), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (50-18), #2592 North Mesquite (Mesquite, TX) (38-21), #3758 Horn (Mesquite, TX) (38-13), #4250 Tyler (TX) (10-6), #4560 Marshall (TX) (41-7), #7257 White (Dallas, TX) (34-3), LOSSES: #158 Pflugerville (TX) (35-14), #620 Lufkin (TX) (16-13)

15 Skyline (Dallas, TX) Texas 5A Region II District 11 5A 12-2 5-0 (1st) 10-2 48.7 25.3 82-80
WINS: #444 Round Rock (TX) (13-10), #1095 Rowlett (TX) (49-7), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (28-10), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (35-0), #1810 Arlington (TX) (34-17), #3179 Samuell (Dallas, TX) (57-13), #3526 Kimball (Dallas, TX) (13-6), #3758 Horn (Mesquite, TX) (49-9), #7257 White (Dallas, TX) (49-0), #9748 Molina (Dallas, TX) (48-0), #11891 Adams (Dallas, TX) (52-6), #13379 Sunset (Dallas, TX) (62-0), LOSSES: #67 Plano (TX) (41-20), #70 Bowie (Arlington, TX) (17-7)

16 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) Texas 5A Region IV District 26 5A 12-2 7-1 (2nd) 12-2 48.4 29 100-63
WINS: #352 Judson (Converse, TX) (31-17), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (47-27), #1296 Austin (TX) (34-0), #1395 Spring (TX) (26-14), #1999 Harlingen South (Harlingen, TX) (55-7), #2038 Roosevelt (San Antonio, TX) (72-34), #2224 Churchill (San Antonio, TX) (31-7), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (37-25), #2838 Wagner (San Antonio, TX) (49-9), #4560 East Central (San Antonio, TX) (49-22), #4685 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) (61-16), #6122 Lee (San Antonio, TX) (49-6), LOSSES: #153 Madison (San Antonio, TX) (29-14), #153 Madison (San Antonio, TX) (38-35)

17 Celina (TX) Texas 3A Region II District 9 3A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 12-0 48.3 12.1 73-73
WINS: #1886 Robinson (TX) (19-6), #2155 Pittsburg (TX) (50-23), #2181 Glen Rose (TX) (70-21), #2181 Wakeland (Frisco, TX) (36-0), #2655 Liberty Christian (Denton, TX) (41-27), #3163 Prosper (TX) (62-13), #3219 West (TX) (41-0), #4082 Pilot Point (TX) (56-6), #4127 Whitesboro (TX) (44-7), #8321 Rains (Emory, TX) (48-6), #8969 Princeton (TX) (35-6), #9505 Prestonwood Christian (Plano, TX) (50-17), #10421 Van Alstyne (TX) (62-0), #12793 Bonham (TX) (55-6), LOSSES: none

18 Westfield (Houston, TX) Texas 5A Region II District 16 5A 10-3 6-0 (1st) 10-3 47.9 31.4 86-62
WINS: #242 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) (33-21), #606 Klein Forest (Houston, TX) (24-7), #623 Klein Oak (Spring, TX) (38-0), #1241 Klein (TX) (41-17), #1395 Spring (TX) (31-14), #1439 West Brook (Beaumont, TX) (33-24), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (55-28), #4467 Clear Brook (Friendswood, TX) (24-7), #5908 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) (41-0), #6481 Tomball (TX) (38-0), LOSSES: #67 Plano (TX) (31-19), #1134 Cypress Falls (Houston, TX) (47-45), #3758 Memorial (Houston, TX) (10-9)

19 Gilmer (TX) Texas 3A Region II District 15 3A 14-0 5-0 (1st) 11-0 47.2 15.8 82-77
WINS: #337 Tatum (TX) (71-28), #481 Wylie (Abilene, TX) (28-21), #966 Roosevelt (Dallas, TX) (42-36), #1333 Daingerfield (TX) (35-12), #3163 Richwood (Monroe, LA) (39-0), #3708 Liberty-Eylau (Texarkana, TX) (41-26), #4063 Spring Hill (Longview, TX) (65-7), #4356 Mabank (TX) (35-28), #7382 Atlanta (TX) (42-14), #8715 Mineola (TX) (52-0), #8882 Center (TX) (63-6), #9592 Gladewater (TX) (53-17), #11214 White Oak (TX) (63-7), #12356 Sabine (Gladewater, TX) (59-7), LOSSES: none

20 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) Texas 5A Region II District 14 5A 9-3 6-1 (1st) 9-3 47 34.1 78-58
WINS: #158 Pflugerville (TX) (39-34), #376 Leander (TX) (17-10), #396 Georgetown (TX) (48-38), #444 Round Rock (TX) (33-15), #966 McNeil (Austin, TX) (35-31), #1010 Westwood (Austin, TX) (21-17), #1522 Bryan (TX) (49-20), #2386 Ellison (Killeen, TX) (59-25), #12304 Reagan (Austin, TX) (72-0), LOSSES: #219 Westfield (Houston, TX) (33-21), #555 Cedar Park (TX) (49-21), #1296 Austin (TX) (24-21)

21 Copperas Cove (TX) Texas 4A Region II District 16 4A 12-2 3-2 (2nd) 8-2 46.9 25 74-78
WINS: #418 Aledo (TX) (15-9), #638 Waxahachie (TX) (37-35), #1510 Boyd (McKinney, TX) (48-26), #1886 Midway (Waco, TX) (48-45), #2118 Killeen (TX) (33-10), #2353 San Angelo Central (San Angelo, TX) (33-0), #3179 Samuell (Dallas, TX) (55-7), #4250 Tyler (TX) (37-16), #4900 University (Waco, TX) (48-21), #4928 Shoemaker (Killeen, TX) (63-12), #5402 Harker Heights (TX) (55-7), #11325 Tuloso-Midway (Corpus Christi, TX) (36-7), LOSSES: #342 Waco (TX) (27-21), #1296 Brownwood (TX) (17-10)

22 Stephenville (TX) Texas 4A Region I District 8 4A 10-2 6-1 (2nd) 10-2 46.3 22.7 76-61
WINS: #156 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) (27-15), #418 Aledo (TX) (31-28), #1886 Midway (Waco, TX) (41-7), #2934 Crowley (TX) (35-14), #4265 Cleburne (TX) (41-7), #5619 Alvarado (TX) (42-10), #5931 Joshua (TX) (64-11), #6953 Wyatt (Fort Worth, TX) (56-21), #7721 Mineral Wells (TX) (52-14), #11970 Azle (TX) (54-14), LOSSES: #101 Everman (TX) (31-28), #156 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) (32-29)

23 North Shore (Houston, TX) Texas 5A Region III District 22 5A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 14-0 46.2 19.4 80-78-1
WINS: #792 Pearland (TX) (24-20), #966 Pasadena Memorial (Pasadena, TX) (52-31), #1038 Hightower (Sugar Land, TX) (33-9), #1654 Cy-Fair (Cypress, TX) (45-31), #1754 Eisenhower (Houston, TX) (45-14), #2203 Deer Park (TX) (38-17), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (35-17), #4441 Kingwood (TX) (21-7), #4467 Aldine (Houston, TX) (48-37), #4756 South Houston (TX) (45-20), #5262 La Porte (TX) (35-0), #8464 Dobie (Houston, TX) (38-0), #10387 Pasadena (TX) (65-14), #11367 Rayburn (Pasadena, TX) (58-0), LOSSES: none

24 La Vega (Waco, TX) Texas 3A Region III District 17 3A 13-1 5-0 (1st) 11-1 44.5 19.4 78-78
WINS: #501 China Spring (TX) (42-13), #704 West Orange-Stark (Orange, TX) (20-12), #1834 Crockett (TX) (40-13), #1886 Robinson (TX) (35-0), #3043 Connally (Waco, TX) (48-7), #4467 Yoe (Cameron, TX) (49-20), #4900 University (Waco, TX) (42-28), #4968 Marlin (TX) (20-12), #5989 Mexia (TX) (52-7), #8265 Gatesville (TX) (56-6), #8356 Lorena (TX) (35-7), #9470 Fairfield (TX) (42-9), #9773 Groesbeck (TX) (34-0), LOSSES: #501 China Spring (TX) (31-28)

25 Tatum (TX) Texas 2A Region III District 19 2A 13-1 7-0 (1st) 12-0 44.4 14.5 96-66
WINS: #648 Elysian Fields (TX) (13-7), #1051 Salado (TX) (41-31), #1283 Newton (TX) (20-16), #1333 Daingerfield (TX) (24-14), #1333 Daingerfield (TX) (48-20), #2141 Arp (TX) (34-24), #5697 West Rusk (New London, TX) (35-18), #8882 Center (TX) (55-2), #9671 Blooming Grove (TX) (47-14), #9798 Troup (TX) (50-18), #10958 Garrison (TX) (42-0), #12367 Timpson (TX) (49-0), #12977 Waskom (TX) (54-6), LOSSES: #236 Gilmer (TX) (71-28)

26 Waco (TX) Texas 4A Region II District 16 4A 9-2 5-0 (1st) 7-1 44.3 31.4 73-52
WINS: #245 Copperas Cove (TX) (27-21), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (19-15), #1296 Brownwood (TX) (34-14), #1469 Wylie (TX) (35-15), #1502 Ennis (TX) (38-20), #1886 Midway (Waco, TX) (28-3), #2118 Killeen (TX) (42-0), #2673 Corsicana (TX) (31-13), #4900 University (Waco, TX) (47-7), LOSSES: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (27-7), #1502 Ennis (TX) (37-34)

27 Cisco (TX) Texas 2A Region II District 10 2A 14-0 5-0 (1st) 11-0 44.2 7.4 94-71
WINS: #1614 Gunter (TX) (21-14), #1919 Early (TX) (20-9), #2750 Boyd (TX) (55-21), #2750 Boyd (TX) (46-23), #3371 Seymour (TX) (41-7), #4900 Lone Oak (TX) (51-0), #6708 Albany (TX) (51-0), #7208 Nocona (TX) (63-0), #8085 Merkel (TX) (45-8), #8696 Godley (TX) (48-6), #9444 Paradise (TX) (48-0), #11038 Comanche (TX) (41-7), #12146 Eastland (TX) (48-7), #13403 Millsap (TX) (55-0), LOSSES: none

28 Cedar Hill (TX) Texas 5A Region I District 8 5A 8-4 4-3 (3rd) 8-4 44 33 83-52
WINS: #396 Hebron (Carrollton, TX) (38-31), #718 Martin (Arlington, TX) (31-3), #1200 MacArthur (Irving, TX) (61-24), #1200 Lamar (Arlington, TX) (20-9), #1359 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (23-16), #2655 Duncanville (TX) (35-14), #5371 North Crowley (Fort Worth, TX) (52-7), #9149 Houston (Arlington, TX) (52-0), LOSSES: #70 Bowie (Arlington, TX) (57-45), #167 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (37-18), #525 De Soto (TX) (37-30), #1810 Arlington (TX) (34-31)

29 Judson (Converse, TX) Texas 5A Region IV District 26 5A 10-4 5-3 (4th) 10-3 44 30.4 109-58
WINS: #153 Madison (San Antonio, TX) (20-17), #376 Leander (TX) (32-26), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (42-21), #949 Bowie (Austin, TX) (21-10), #1559 Southwest (San Antonio, TX) (24-16), #2038 Roosevelt (San Antonio, TX) (34-7), #2224 Churchill (San Antonio, TX) (28-7), #4356 La Joya (TX) (34-16), #4685 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) (28-0), #6122 Lee (San Antonio, TX) (37-21), LOSSES: #205 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) (31-17), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (36-22), #899 Tivy (Kerrville, TX) (40-21), #2838 Wagner (

[SMC020]

Wow...talk about a reversal of stats :eek: Either several of the statisticians don't know what they are taiking about or this is all crap!!

[texalaska]

The Calpreps one includes ALL GAMES and is up to date.

[Fleeman93]

I would be concerned with Katy’s strength of schedule IF they had not handled the competition the way they did. Use last week as a good example.

[Dynastybegan86]

SOS! is someone in need of help:confused:

[katyfan52]

I would be concerned with Katy’s strength of schedule IF they had not handled the competition the way they did. Use last week as a good example.
And the fact that everybody brings their "A" game when the play Katy. The numbers Tex posted seem to bring Katy's sos more into line with Madison's.

[Dynastybegan86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJBJNq3yKAw :ninja:

[chainsaw83]

LMAO....this almost as funny as the "mascot" thread. You know what Katy, whatever you need to make yourself feel better abou this game, is fine by me. :rolleyes:

Frankly, i'm shocked y'all are even interested in this week's game. Y'all need to spend your time better and cry about how you weren't able to play teams like NS, SLC, SV or Judson. Go predict the outcome over next week's game against abiline.

I honestly don't understand why people could possibly think Katy's schedule was easier. I mean, y'all played tough teams throughout district...

I'm shocked y'all got past your district with awesome teams like:

Hastings: 6-4
Mayde Creek: 6-5
Cinco Ranch: 5-6
Taylor: 4-6
Elsik: 4-7
Taylor: 3-7
Morton Ranch: ahem 1-9

It's amazing y'all are still around. :notworthy
y'all sure as hell went thru the gauntlet this year!! :notworthy



....get a grip :rolleyes:

[katyfan52]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJBJNq3yKAw :ninja:

Now it works. :)

[Dynastybegan86]

LMAO....this almost as funny as the "mascot" thread. You know what Katy, whatever you need to make yourself feel better abou this game, is fine by me. :rolleyes:

Frankly, i'm shocked y'all are even interested in this week's game. Y'all need to spend your time better and cry about how you weren't able to play teams like NS, SLC, SV or Judson. Go predict the outcome over next week's game against abiline.

I honestly don't understand why people could possibly think Katy's schedule was easier. I mean, y'all played tough teams throughout district...

I'm shocked y'all got past your district with awesome teams like:

Hastings: 6-4
Mayde Creek: 6-5
Cinco Ranch: 5-6
Taylor: 4-6
Elsik: 4-7
Taylor: 3-7
Morton Ranch: ahem 1-9

It's amazing y'all are still around.
y'all sure as hell went thru the gauntlet this year!!



....get a grip :rolleyes:

WHY???!!!! Show where a Katy fan said Katy played a tougher schedule than Madison. All I have read is how great the 265 is and that most people agree. Show where a Katy fan said we played in tough district. Personally, I think your trying to make yourself less nervous, but hey I don't know. I guess we will get this one locked too!:(

Do you truly think sos is gonna matter a kick-off Saturday? Never mind, of course you do, your team plays in the 265:rolleyes:

[chainsaw83]

WHY???!!!! Show where a Katy fan said Katy played a tougher schedule than Madison. All I have read is how great the 265 is and that most people agree. Show where a Katy fan said we played in tough district. Personally, I think your trying to make yourself less nervous, but hey I don't know. I guess we will get this one locked too!:(

Do you truly think sos is gonna matter a kick-off Saturday? Never mind, of course you do, your team plays in the 265:rolleyes:

No, i don't. that's why i think this thread is funny. But really? Posts 9, 10, and 15 all say that Katy's schedule is either equal to or tougher than Madison's.

[katyfan52]

No, i don't. that's why i think this thread is funny. But really? Posts 9, 10, and 15 all say that Katy's schedule is either equal to or tougher than Madison's.
Actually the posts just list the information listed on other supposedly reputable sites. Post 9 lists the more up to date Massey numbers and is posted by a ET fan. Post 10 is a link to (and listing of) the Calpreps page with the numbers updated to include all the games. Since so many of your posters seem to place so much importance on SoS, I would think you would want accurate information. And my post (I think it is 15) is merely a statement of fact and an observation based on the numbers posted on the two different sites. You guys were the ones who put so much stock in the sos numbers. I don't think think they matter one iota, and I think it's a little disingenuous to try to deflect credit for this subject onto Katy fans. :D We have nothing but respect for the Mavs, and know it will be a tough game between two worthy opponents. :cool:

[jc84chill]

The strength of schedule formula we use for this site is definitely a work in progress. ktchamp is a microsoft excel master and I can't possibly relay to you how much statistical analysis he has for every team in the state. All of which are apart of the SOS ranking formula he uses. A few tweaks of the current formula, along with figuring out how to add in more important SOS factors numerically and next year's version will be more much more accurate than this year's.

Matter of fact, we just spent about an hour discussing ideas on improving the current SOS formula and with an improved SOS formula comes accurate power rating/rankings.

Lots of good stuff coming during the off-season.

[katyfan52]

The strength of schedule formula we use for this site is definitely a work in progress. ktchamp is a microsoft excel master and I can't possibly relay to you how much statistical analysis he has for every team in the state. All of which are apart of the SOS ranking formula he uses. A few tweaks of the current formula, along with figuring out how to add in more important SOS factors numerically and next year's version will be more much more accurate than this year's.

Matter of fact, we just spent about an hour discussing ideas on improving the current SOS formula and with an improved SOS formula comes accurate power rating/rankings.

Lots of good stuff coming during the off-season.
You guys are the best, and what makes it even better is that it is a labor of love. Thanks for all you do.

[lonny23]

Calpreps: {through all 14 games}

http://calpreps.com/2007/ratings/Texas_all.htm

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L
1 Trinity (Euless, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 7 5A 13-1 7-0 (1st) 12-1 63 35.5 95-63
WINS: #70 Bowie (Arlington, TX) (21-14), #97 Permian (Odessa, TX) (38-14), #342 Waco (TX) (27-7), #718 Martin (Arlington, TX) (31-0), #929 Lewisville (TX) (42-17), #1200 MacArthur (Irving, TX) (48-10), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (21-10), #1740 Dallas Jesuit (Dallas, TX) (24-0), #2353 Bell (Hurst, TX) (44-0), #2533 South Grand Prairie (Grand Prairie, TX) (34-10), #3785 Irving (TX) (43-7), #6322 Grand Prairie (TX) (31-0), #7122 Nimitz (Irving, TX) (38-0), LOSSES: #97 Permian (Odessa, TX) (30-3)

2 Plano (TX) Texas 5A Region II District 9 5A 13-1 6-1 (2nd) 13-1 56.7 34.7 87-74
WINS: #201 Skyline (Dallas, TX) (41-20), #219 Westfield (Houston, TX) (31-19), #594 Mesquite (TX) (28-7), #594 Mesquite (TX) (31-13), #672 Rockwall (TX) (42-35), #1071 Plano East (Plano, TX) (28-14), #1095 Rowlett (TX) (35-6), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (42-7), #1378 Plano West (Plano, TX) (14-9), #1469 Wylie (TX) (35-7), #3144 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (41-6), #3502 Berkner (Richardson, TX) (27-7), #10073 Richardson (TX) (42-7), LOSSES: #404 Allen (TX) (35-26)

3 Bowie (Arlington, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 8 5A 12-2 6-1 (2nd) 10-2 56.5 34.4 100-60
WINS: #201 Skyline (Dallas, TX) (17-7), #352 Cedar Hill (TX) (57-45), #489 Coronado (Lubbock, TX) (37-14), #718 Martin (Arlington, TX) (49-21), #781 Marcus (Flower Mound, TX) (35-7), #1200 Lamar (Arlington, TX) (35-14), #1408 Ryan (Denton, TX) (27-7), #1810 Arlington (TX) (43-3), #2353 Bell (Hurst, TX) (48-0), #2655 Duncanville (TX) (42-14), #6538 Dunbar (Fort Worth, TX) (54-6), #9149 Houston (Arlington, TX) (50-0), LOSSES: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (21-14), #525 De Soto (TX) (24-23)

4 Permian (Odessa, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 3 5A 12-1 5-0 (1st) 12-1 54.5 35.1 91-60
WINS: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (30-3), #118 Abilene (TX) (28-21), #694 Montwood (El Paso, TX) (37-17), #940 Lee (Midland, TX) (31-7), #1575 Monterey (Lubbock, TX) (44-7), #1705 Midland (TX) (52-16), #1732 Mansfield (TX) (60-21), #1783 Cooper (Abilene, TX) (40-14), #2934 Odessa (TX) (49-13), #3043 Amarillo (TX) (56-7), #3219 Tascosa (Amarillo, TX) (47-28), #6827 Lubbock (TX) (69-14), LOSSES: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (38-14)

5 Katy (TX) Texas 5A Region III District 18 5A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 14-0 54.5 22.7 81-75-1
WINS: #899 Clements (Sugar Land, TX) (42-0), #966 Pasadena Memorial (Pasadena, TX) (30-14), #1241 Klein (TX) (45-0), #1597 A&M Consolidated (College Station, TX) (41-14), #1654 Strake Jesuit (Houston, TX) (51-18), #2469 Alief Hastings (Houston, TX) (24-13), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (48-7), #3589 Cinco Ranch (Katy, TX) (38-9), #3972 Mayde Creek (Houston, TX) (63-3), #4022 Madison (Houston, TX) (42-8), #4185 Taylor (Katy, TX) (48-0), #4968 Alief Elsik (Houston, TX) (45-6), #4968 Alief Taylor (Houston, TX) (38-0), #7690 Morton Ranch (Katy, TX) (52-12), LOSSES: none

6 Highland Park (Dallas, TX) Texas 4A Region II District 10 4A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 13-0 54.3 27 92-67
WINS: #638 Waxahachie (TX) (35-13), #718 West Mesquite (Mesquite, TX) (49-6), #718 West Mesquite (Mesquite, TX) (38-20), #1095 Kilgore (TX) (38-6), #1235 Rockwall-Heath (Rockwall, TX) (31-14), #1597 Frisco (TX) (31-26), #1597 Frisco (TX) (49-28), #1763 South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) (36-13), #2315 Pearce (Richardson, TX) (45-20), #2918 Poteet (Mesquite, TX) (42-21), #4185 Forney (TX) (42-7), #4756 Bishop Lynch (Dallas, TX) (56-0), #4952 Greenville (TX) (59-21), #5724 Terrell (TX) (31-0), LOSSES: none

7 Everman (TX) Texas 4A Region I District 8 4A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 12-0 54.2 23.1 89-70
WINS: #156 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) (21-19), #267 Stephenville (TX) (31-28), #418 Aledo (TX) (35-28), #1469 Wichita Falls (TX) (33-14), #1469 Wichita Falls (TX) (50-19), #2448 Hereford (TX) (48-6), #2934 Crowley (TX) (30-3), #3609 Kennedale (TX) (31-13), #4265 Cleburne (TX) (35-20), #5619 Alvarado (TX) (55-0), #5931 Joshua (TX) (45-0), #6322 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (32-0), #6538 Dunbar (Fort Worth, TX) (57-21), #7721 Mineral Wells (TX) (43-13), LOSSES: none

8 Abilene (TX) Texas 5A Region I District 3 5A 13-1 4-1 (2nd) 12-1 53.2 31.9 93-70
WINS: #167 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (22-21), #396 Hebron (Carrollton, TX) (20-10), #594 Mesquite (TX) (13-10), #940 Lee (Midland, TX) (37-13), #1095 Westlake (Austin, TX) (31-10), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (21-6), #1408 Ryan (Denton, TX) (49-41), #1575 Monterey (Lubbock, TX) (17-0), #1705 Midland (TX) (45-17), #1783 Cooper (Abilene, TX) (34-10), #2243 Coronado (El Paso, TX) (56-18), #2934 Odessa (TX) (33-26), #6481 Weatherford (TX) (48-14), LOSSES: #97 Permian (Odessa, TX) (28-21)

9 Madison (San Antonio, TX) Texas 5A Region IV District 26 5A 13-1 7-1 (1st) 13-1 50.8 28.8 99-65
WINS: #205 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) (29-14), #205 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) (38-35), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (42-14), #1200 Warren (San Antonio, TX) (17-13), #1249 O'Connor (Helotes, TX) (55-15), #2038 Roosevelt (San Antonio, TX) (38-10), #2224 Churchill (San Antonio, TX) (28-14), #2224 San Marcos (TX) (22-14), #2612 Weslaco (TX) (59-42), #2838 Wagner (San Antonio, TX) (42-7), #4685 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) (35-0), #6122 Lee (San Antonio, TX) (62-0), #6381 Seguin (TX) (50-0), LOSSES: #352 Judson (Converse, TX) (20-17)

10 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) Texas 4A Region I District 5 4A 12-2 6-0 (1st) 11-2 50.6 26.1 85-75
WINS: #267 Stephenville (TX) (32-29), #583 Frenship (Wolfforth, TX) (31-7), #940 Lee (Midland, TX) (42-35), #1408 Ryan (Denton, TX) (45-7), #1469 Wichita Falls (TX) (56-13), #2514 Estacado (Lubbock, TX) (56-0), #3688 Denison (TX) (63-21), #4538 Sherman (TX) (45-13), #6322 Springtown (TX) (42-14), #7015 Plainview (TX) (51-0), #8672 Guyer (Denton, TX) (48-10), #9419 Denton (TX) (41-7), LOSSES: #101 Everman (TX) (21-19), #267 Stephenville (TX) (27-15)

11 Pflugerville (TX) Texas 5A Region II District 14 5A 11-3 4-3 (4th) 11-3 50.5 37.5 96-65
WINS: #196 Longview (TX) (35-14), #396 Georgetown (TX) (28-14), #555 Cedar Park (TX) (28-14), #606 Klein Forest (Houston, TX) (18-7), #966 McNeil (Austin, TX) (49-14), #1001 Temple (TX) (34-31), #1010 Westwood (Austin, TX) (38-19), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (20-18), #1522 Bryan (TX) (23-16), #1597 A&M Consolidated (College Station, TX) (21-16), #2224 San Marcos (TX) (48-21), LOSSES: #242 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) (39-34), #376 Leander (TX) (37-36), #444 Round Rock (TX) (31-10)

12 Liberty Hill (TX) Texas 3A Region III District 18 3A 13-0 4-0 (1st) 12-0 50.2 20.9 80-68
WINS: #651 Cuero (TX) (49-35), #1134 Carthage (TX) (41-14), #1886 Robinson (TX) (42-14), #1976 Navasota (TX) (48-14), #2918 Wimberley (TX) (35-10), #3043 Connally (Waco, TX) (33-13), #3043 Rockdale (TX) (37-25), #3199 Burnet (TX) (34-17), #3309 Pleasanton (TX) (49-7), #4467 Yoe (Cameron, TX) (63-14), #4490 Hutto (TX) (52-7), #8265 Gatesville (TX) (70-7), #8296 Taylor (TX) (52-7), LOSSES: none

13 Carroll (Southlake, TX) Texas 5A Region I District 5 5A 11-2 7-0 (1st) 11-1 50 31.4 78-67
WINS: #352 Cedar Hill (TX) (37-18), #672 Rockwall (TX) (49-42), #1259 Flower Mound (TX) (35-24), #1359 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (42-14), #1575 Grapevine (TX) (49-21), #3144 Lake Highlands (Dallas, TX) (42-10), #3276 Keller (TX) (42-13), #3355 Richland (North Richland Hills, TX) (54-14), #4063 Northwest (Justin, TX) (65-24), #6322 Haltom (Haltom City, TX) (58-6), #7015 Keller Central (Keller, TX) (63-16), LOSSES: #47 Northwestern (Miami, FL) (29-21), #118 Abilene (TX) (22-21)

14 Longview (TX) Texas 5A Region II District 12 5A 12-2 5-0 (1st) 10-2 48.8 32.3 98-67
WINS: #73 Curtis (River Ridge, LA) (24-20), #376 Leander (TX) (40-21), #498 South Garland (Garland, TX) (28-14), #594 Mesquite (TX) (22-14), #620 Lufkin (TX) (31-24), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (20-12), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (50-18), #2592 North Mesquite (Mesquite, TX) (38-21), #3758 Horn (Mesquite, TX) (38-13), #4250 Tyler (TX) (10-6), #4560 Marshall (TX) (41-7), #7257 White (Dallas, TX) (34-3), LOSSES: #158 Pflugerville (TX) (35-14), #620 Lufkin (TX) (16-13)

15 Skyline (Dallas, TX) Texas 5A Region II District 11 5A 12-2 5-0 (1st) 10-2 48.7 25.3 82-80
WINS: #444 Round Rock (TX) (13-10), #1095 Rowlett (TX) (49-7), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (28-10), #1296 Carter (Dallas, TX) (35-0), #1810 Arlington (TX) (34-17), #3179 Samuell (Dallas, TX) (57-13), #3526 Kimball (Dallas, TX) (13-6), #3758 Horn (Mesquite, TX) (49-9), #7257 White (Dallas, TX) (49-0), #9748 Molina (Dallas, TX) (48-0), #11891 Adams (Dallas, TX) (52-6), #13379 Sunset (Dallas, TX) (62-0), LOSSES: #67 Plano (TX) (41-20), #70 Bowie (Arlington, TX) (17-7)

16 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) Texas 5A Region IV District 26 5A 12-2 7-1 (2nd) 12-2 48.4 29 100-63
WINS: #352 Judson (Converse, TX) (31-17), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (47-27), #1296 Austin (TX) (34-0), #1395 Spring (TX) (26-14), #1999 Harlingen South (Harlingen, TX) (55-7), #2038 Roosevelt (San Antonio, TX) (72-34), #2224 Churchill (San Antonio, TX) (31-7), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (37-25), #2838 Wagner (San Antonio, TX) (49-9), #4560 East Central (San Antonio, TX) (49-22), #4685 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) (61-16), #6122 Lee (San Antonio, TX) (49-6), LOSSES: #153 Madison (San Antonio, TX) (29-14), #153 Madison (San Antonio, TX) (38-35)

17 Celina (TX) Texas 3A Region II District 9 3A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 12-0 48.3 12.1 73-73
WINS: #1886 Robinson (TX) (19-6), #2155 Pittsburg (TX) (50-23), #2181 Glen Rose (TX) (70-21), #2181 Wakeland (Frisco, TX) (36-0), #2655 Liberty Christian (Denton, TX) (41-27), #3163 Prosper (TX) (62-13), #3219 West (TX) (41-0), #4082 Pilot Point (TX) (56-6), #4127 Whitesboro (TX) (44-7), #8321 Rains (Emory, TX) (48-6), #8969 Princeton (TX) (35-6), #9505 Prestonwood Christian (Plano, TX) (50-17), #10421 Van Alstyne (TX) (62-0), #12793 Bonham (TX) (55-6), LOSSES: none

18 Westfield (Houston, TX) Texas 5A Region II District 16 5A 10-3 6-0 (1st) 10-3 47.9 31.4 86-62
WINS: #242 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) (33-21), #606 Klein Forest (Houston, TX) (24-7), #623 Klein Oak (Spring, TX) (38-0), #1241 Klein (TX) (41-17), #1395 Spring (TX) (31-14), #1439 West Brook (Beaumont, TX) (33-24), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (55-28), #4467 Clear Brook (Friendswood, TX) (24-7), #5908 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) (41-0), #6481 Tomball (TX) (38-0), LOSSES: #67 Plano (TX) (31-19), #1134 Cypress Falls (Houston, TX) (47-45), #3758 Memorial (Houston, TX) (10-9)

19 Gilmer (TX) Texas 3A Region II District 15 3A 14-0 5-0 (1st) 11-0 47.2 15.8 82-77
WINS: #337 Tatum (TX) (71-28), #481 Wylie (Abilene, TX) (28-21), #966 Roosevelt (Dallas, TX) (42-36), #1333 Daingerfield (TX) (35-12), #3163 Richwood (Monroe, LA) (39-0), #3708 Liberty-Eylau (Texarkana, TX) (41-26), #4063 Spring Hill (Longview, TX) (65-7), #4356 Mabank (TX) (35-28), #7382 Atlanta (TX) (42-14), #8715 Mineola (TX) (52-0), #8882 Center (TX) (63-6), #9592 Gladewater (TX) (53-17), #11214 White Oak (TX) (63-7), #12356 Sabine (Gladewater, TX) (59-7), LOSSES: none

20 Stony Point (Round Rock, TX) Texas 5A Region II District 14 5A 9-3 6-1 (1st) 9-3 47 34.1 78-58
WINS: #158 Pflugerville (TX) (39-34), #376 Leander (TX) (17-10), #396 Georgetown (TX) (48-38), #444 Round Rock (TX) (33-15), #966 McNeil (Austin, TX) (35-31), #1010 Westwood (Austin, TX) (21-17), #1522 Bryan (TX) (49-20), #2386 Ellison (Killeen, TX) (59-25), #12304 Reagan (Austin, TX) (72-0), LOSSES: #219 Westfield (Houston, TX) (33-21), #555 Cedar Park (TX) (49-21), #1296 Austin (TX) (24-21)

21 Copperas Cove (TX) Texas 4A Region II District 16 4A 12-2 3-2 (2nd) 8-2 46.9 25 74-78
WINS: #418 Aledo (TX) (15-9), #638 Waxahachie (TX) (37-35), #1510 Boyd (McKinney, TX) (48-26), #1886 Midway (Waco, TX) (48-45), #2118 Killeen (TX) (33-10), #2353 San Angelo Central (San Angelo, TX) (33-0), #3179 Samuell (Dallas, TX) (55-7), #4250 Tyler (TX) (37-16), #4900 University (Waco, TX) (48-21), #4928 Shoemaker (Killeen, TX) (63-12), #5402 Harker Heights (TX) (55-7), #11325 Tuloso-Midway (Corpus Christi, TX) (36-7), LOSSES: #342 Waco (TX) (27-21), #1296 Brownwood (TX) (17-10)

22 Stephenville (TX) Texas 4A Region I District 8 4A 10-2 6-1 (2nd) 10-2 46.3 22.7 76-61
WINS: #156 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) (27-15), #418 Aledo (TX) (31-28), #1886 Midway (Waco, TX) (41-7), #2934 Crowley (TX) (35-14), #4265 Cleburne (TX) (41-7), #5619 Alvarado (TX) (42-10), #5931 Joshua (TX) (64-11), #6953 Wyatt (Fort Worth, TX) (56-21), #7721 Mineral Wells (TX) (52-14), #11970 Azle (TX) (54-14), LOSSES: #101 Everman (TX) (31-28), #156 Rider (Wichita Falls, TX) (32-29)

23 North Shore (Houston, TX) Texas 5A Region III District 22 5A 14-0 7-0 (1st) 14-0 46.2 19.4 80-78-1
WINS: #792 Pearland (TX) (24-20), #966 Pasadena Memorial (Pasadena, TX) (52-31), #1038 Hightower (Sugar Land, TX) (33-9), #1654 Cy-Fair (Cypress, TX) (45-31), #1754 Eisenhower (Houston, TX) (45-14), #2203 Deer Park (TX) (38-17), #2770 The Woodlands (TX) (35-17), #4441 Kingwood (TX) (21-7), #4467 Aldine (Houston, TX) (48-37), #4756 South Houston (TX) (45-20), #5262 La Porte (TX) (35-0), #8464 Dobie (Houston, TX) (38-0), #10387 Pasadena (TX) (65-14), #11367 Rayburn (Pasadena, TX) (58-0), LOSSES: none

24 La Vega (Waco, TX) Texas 3A Region III District 17 3A 13-1 5-0 (1st) 11-1 44.5 19.4 78-78
WINS: #501 China Spring (TX) (42-13), #704 West Orange-Stark (Orange, TX) (20-12), #1834 Crockett (TX) (40-13), #1886 Robinson (TX) (35-0), #3043 Connally (Waco, TX) (48-7), #4467 Yoe (Cameron, TX) (49-20), #4900 University (Waco, TX) (42-28), #4968 Marlin (TX) (20-12), #5989 Mexia (TX) (52-7), #8265 Gatesville (TX) (56-6), #8356 Lorena (TX) (35-7), #9470 Fairfield (TX) (42-9), #9773 Groesbeck (TX) (34-0), LOSSES: #501 China Spring (TX) (31-28)

25 Tatum (TX) Texas 2A Region III District 19 2A 13-1 7-0 (1st) 12-0 44.4 14.5 96-66
WINS: #648 Elysian Fields (TX) (13-7), #1051 Salado (TX) (41-31), #1283 Newton (TX) (20-16), #1333 Daingerfield (TX) (24-14), #1333 Daingerfield (TX) (48-20), #2141 Arp (TX) (34-24), #5697 West Rusk (New London, TX) (35-18), #8882 Center (TX) (55-2), #9671 Blooming Grove (TX) (47-14), #9798 Troup (TX) (50-18), #10958 Garrison (TX) (42-0), #12367 Timpson (TX) (49-0), #12977 Waskom (TX) (54-6), LOSSES: #236 Gilmer (TX) (71-28)

26 Waco (TX) Texas 4A Region II District 16 4A 9-2 5-0 (1st) 7-1 44.3 31.4 73-52
WINS: #245 Copperas Cove (TX) (27-21), #1200 Lee (Tyler, TX) (19-15), #1296 Brownwood (TX) (34-14), #1469 Wylie (TX) (35-15), #1502 Ennis (TX) (38-20), #1886 Midway (Waco, TX) (28-3), #2118 Killeen (TX) (42-0), #2673 Corsicana (TX) (31-13), #4900 University (Waco, TX) (47-7), LOSSES: #19 Trinity (Euless, TX) (27-7), #1502 Ennis (TX) (37-34)

27 Cisco (TX) Texas 2A Region II District 10 2A 14-0 5-0 (1st) 11-0 44.2 7.4 94-71
WINS: #1614 Gunter (TX) (21-14), #1919 Early (TX) (20-9), #2750 Boyd (TX) (55-21), #2750 Boyd (TX) (46-23), #3371 Seymour (TX) (41-7), #4900 Lone Oak (TX) (51-0), #6708 Albany (TX) (51-0), #7208 Nocona (TX) (63-0), #8085 Merkel (TX) (45-8), #8696 Godley (TX) (48-6), #9444 Paradise (TX) (48-0), #11038 Comanche (TX) (41-7), #12146 Eastland (TX) (48-7), #13403 Millsap (TX) (55-0), LOSSES: none

28 Cedar Hill (TX) Texas 5A Region I District 8 5A 8-4 4-3 (3rd) 8-4 44 33 83-52
WINS: #396 Hebron (Carrollton, TX) (38-31), #718 Martin (Arlington, TX) (31-3), #1200 MacArthur (Irving, TX) (61-24), #1200 Lamar (Arlington, TX) (20-9), #1359 Heritage (Colleyville, TX) (23-16), #2655 Duncanville (TX) (35-14), #5371 North Crowley (Fort Worth, TX) (52-7), #9149 Houston (Arlington, TX) (52-0), LOSSES: #70 Bowie (Arlington, TX) (57-45), #167 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (37-18), #525 De Soto (TX) (37-30), #1810 Arlington (TX) (34-31)

29 Judson (Converse, TX) Texas 5A Region IV District 26 5A 10-4 5-3 (4th) 10-3 44 30.4 109-58
WINS: #153 Madison (San Antonio, TX) (20-17), #376 Leander (TX) (32-26), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (42-21), #949 Bowie (Austin, TX) (21-10), #1559 Southwest (San Antonio, TX) (24-16), #2038 Roosevelt (San Antonio, TX) (34-7), #2224 Churchill (San Antonio, TX) (28-7), #4356 La Joya (TX) (34-16), #4685 MacArthur (San Antonio, TX) (28-0), #6122 Lee (San Antonio, TX) (37-21), LOSSES: #205 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) (31-17), #489 Reagan (San Antonio, TX) (36-22), #899 Tivy (Kerrville, TX) (40-21), #2838 Wagner (
That's not strength of schedule order. That's power ranking order. Let me help you out with the strength of schedule order according to Calpreps:

1. Pflugerville 37.5
2. Trinity 35.5
3. Plano 34.7
4. Abilene 31.9
5. Judson 30.4
6. Madison 28.8
7. Katy 22.7
8. North Shore 19.4

Pflugerville's opponents were 37.5 points better than an average team (Around 7000 something nationwide). It also means Pflugerville's opponents were 18.1 points better than North Shore's opponents this year.

Region 1 and 2 had to play some pretty good teams in the playoffs to get this far. That has bumped up their ratings. Region 4 is down somewhat overall with the bottom of 26-5A being less than most years, but with a stronger 3 and 4 team than many years. In any case, a down Region 4 and 26-5A is still a lot stronger than Region 3.

[lonny23]

The Calpreps one includes ALL GAMES and is up to date.
Yeah, but the data needs to be presented correctly!:p

[lonny23]

And the fact that everybody brings their "A" game when the play Katy. The numbers Tex posted seem to bring Katy's sos more into line with Madison's.
No, Katy's opponents were 6 points worse than Madison's. I'm ready for that 11 point differential between Judson and North Shore!:D

[mad_fan]

No, i don't. that's why i think this thread is funny. But really? Posts 9, 10, and 15 all say that Katy's schedule is either equal to or tougher than Madison's.

I think there is just some confusion...sos v ranking...not that either matters on Saturday...
The CalPreps post is RANKINGS...though the SOS numbers are in there...it is not sorted by SOS...

[lonny23]

No, i don't. that's why i think this thread is funny. But really? Posts 9, 10, and 15 all say that Katy's schedule is either equal to or tougher than Madison's.
We go through this every year and nobody ever learns. Houston teams almost exclusively play Houston teams. They never know their Region isn't as good as the rest of the state until they get to the Semis and then Katy bails out the region about half the time and they somehow scrape up winning in the Semis about 40% of the time. When Houston plays non-Houston teams, they get beat the vast majority of the time. That goes for the regular season and the playoffs. I've been looking at Calpreps ratings every year since 2003 or 2004 and they've always said the same thing. Houston has a whole lot of weak teams and no districts that are very strong. More times than not, 17 and 23 have a little balance and sometimes Katy's district is somewhat respectable. North Shore's district has gone from "DOA" to "On life support."

[lonny23]

Actually the posts just list the information listed on other supposedly reputable sites. Post 9 lists the more up to date Massey numbers and is posted by a ET fan. Post 10 is a link to (and listing of) the Calpreps page with the numbers updated to include all the games. Since so many of your posters seem to place so much importance on SoS, I would think you would want accurate information. And my post (I think it is 15) is merely a statement of fact and an observation based on the numbers posted on the two different sites. You guys were the ones who put so much stock in the sos numbers. I don't think think they matter one iota, and I think it's a little disingenuous to try to deflect credit for this subject onto Katy fans. :D We have nothing but respect for the Mavs, and know it will be a tough game between two worthy opponents. :cool:SOS does matter some. I think it matters a lot more for North Shore than Katy, though. Katy has played in a weak region for quite a while now, but they still get to the title game a fair amount of the time. More times than not, they do it when they have homefield in the Semis, but they're still able to overcome it. The game results for North Shore look a lot more impressive this year than Judson's but this reminds me a lot of 2005 when a 6-4 (9-4 in the Semis) Judson team beat a 10-0 (13-0 in Semis) Westfield team. The only differences are the game is in Houston and North Shore has played a weaker schedule than 05 Westfield and has a worse power ranking.

For the record, here are the point spreads on Calpreps, which are based upon all the games each team has played.

Trinity by 6.7 over Plano.
North Shore by 2.2 over Judson.

Abilene by 2.7 over Pflugerville.
Katy by 3.7 over Madison.

The ratings adjust each week because Judson was like a 3 or 4 point underdog to Reagan last week according to Calpreps.

[lonny23]

The strength of schedule formula we use for this site is definitely a work in progress. ktchamp is a microsoft excel master and I can't possibly relay to you how much statistical analysis he has for every team in the state. All of which are apart of the SOS ranking formula he uses. A few tweaks of the current formula, along with figuring out how to add in more important SOS factors numerically and next year's version will be more much more accurate than this year's.

Matter of fact, we just spent about an hour discussing ideas on improving the current SOS formula and with an improved SOS formula comes accurate power rating/rankings.

Lots of good stuff coming during the off-season.Thanks for the updates you're going to make.

[lonny23]

I think there is just some confusion...sos v ranking...not that either matters on Saturday...
The CalPreps post is RANKINGS...though the SOS numbers are in there...it is not sorted by SOS...
Correctamundo.

[MADFAN#1]

Correctamundo.

Let me help with that. If you add up the ranking of all the teams Katy played and divide by 14 (games played) you get an average rank of 3213. For Madison that number is 2344. See, numbers can be turned to show you what you want. When the game starts SOS will not mean anything, just like it does now. Good luck to both and safe trip here (SA) Katy fans.

Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination. Vin Scully

I can prove anything by statistics except the truth. George Canning

Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures. Evan Esar


GO MAVS

[nsmustang]

SOS does matter some. I think it matters a lot more for North Shore than Katy, though. Katy has played in a weak region for quite a while now, but they still get to the title game a fair amount of the time. More times than not, they do it when they have homefield in the Semis, but they're still able to overcome it. The game results for North Shore look a lot more impressive this year than Judson's but this reminds me a lot of 2005 when a 6-4 (9-4 in the Semis) Judson team beat a 10-0 (13-0 in Semis) Westfield team. The only differences are the game is in Houston and North Shore has played a weaker schedule than 05 Westfield and has a worse power ranking.

For the record, here are the point spreads on Calpreps, which are based upon all the games each team has played.

Trinity by 6.7 over Plano.
North Shore by 2.2 over Judson.

Abilene by 2.7 over Pflugerville.
Katy by 3.7 over Madison.

The ratings adjust each week because Judson was like a 3 or 4 point underdog to Reagan last week according to Calpreps.

You still forget the injury to Beasley. He stay's healthy and judson loses that game. It's not like judson overpowered WF that year and had an easy time.

[nsmustang]

And the fact that everybody brings their "A" game when the play Katy. The numbers Tex posted seem to bring Katy's sos more into line with Madison's.

That is a fact overlooked often. Teams play to the level of competition.
It sounds like some on this board are trying to read tea leaves with all the stats. I still say if you are good, you will win and sos has no bearing on your run at this point. You either can do it or you can't do it. In the po's, all the teams are good.

[KT2000]

SOS does matter some. I think it matters a lot more for North Shore than Katy, though. Katy has played in a weak region for quite a while now, but they still get to the title game a fair amount of the time. More times than not, they do it when they have homefield in the Semis, but they're still able to overcome it.

Katy is 6-1 in the semifinals against Region 4.

Katy won two of those games at the Alamodome (vs. Macarthur 1998, vs. Schertz Clements 2003) and two at neutral sites- DKR (vs. Judson 1994) and Kyle (vs. Marshall 2000).

Of course, this doesn't include Katy's win over Judson at the beginning of the 1999 season at the Alamodome.

So, Katy's had better than average success playing Region 4 champions outside of the Houston area.

[HOOKEM]

Not sure of what to make of this but according to this very site's method of calculating the strength of schedule, here is the SOS of the final 8 teams after 11 games. Apparently this wasn't calculated after the 11th game. I thought it was interesting who had the highest and lowest SOS.;)

Converse Judson- 4

Pflugerville- 18

San Antonio Madison- 25

Abilene- 42

Northshore- 57

E. Trinity- 71

Plano- 87

Katy- 126


LOL, I have been arguing this point for weeks now. Check my past posts. Somebody else is finally exposing the weekness (or top heavyness) that is the 18.

[KT2000]

Region 3 and Region 4 are both extremely top heavy, but I don't think anyone worth the keyboard they type on would debate the quality of the best teams from each.

[lonny23]

You still forget the injury to Beasley. He stay's healthy and judson loses that game. It's not like judson overpowered WF that year and had an easy time.
Ever since that game I've said that Judson was shutting Beasley down before he got hurt. I agree Judson didn't have an easy time, but we're also talking about a 6-4 team beating a team with far more D1 talent.

[twcpfan1]

You guys are the best, and what makes it even better is that it is a labor of love. Thanks for all you do.

amen.

[lonny23]

Katy is 6-1 in the semifinals against Region 4.

Katy won two of those games at the Alamodome (vs. Macarthur 1998, vs. Schertz Clements 2003) and two at neutral sites- DKR (vs. Judson 1994) and Kyle (vs. Marshall 2000).

Of course, this doesn't include Katy's win over Judson at the beginning of the 1999 season at the Alamodome.

So, Katy's had better than average success playing Region 4 champions outside of the Houston area.
On Katy, I agree. The rest of Houston, No.

[twcpfan1]

Katy is 6-1 in the semifinals against Region 4.

Katy won two of those games at the Alamodome (vs. Macarthur 1998, vs. Schertz Clements 2003) and two at neutral sites- DKR (vs. Judson 1994) and Kyle (vs. Marshall 2000).

Of course, this doesn't include Katy's win over Judson at the beginning of the 1999 season at the Alamodome.

So, Katy's had better than average success playing Region 4 champions outside of the Houston area.

I'll take the 'weak' SOS if at the end, I can have the end result of the 2 teams often 'accused' of having it. Katy and Carroll.

[nsmustang]

Ever since that game I've said that Judson was shutting Beasley down before he got hurt. I agree Judson didn't have an easy time, but we're also talking about a 6-4 team beating a team with far more D1 talent.

I do give credit to judson. No question they pulled it off but my point is that the WF defense held judson the whole game but the WF O was hamstrung after the injury. Also, out of curiosity, I wonder how often a team with 4 losses makes it to the title game? WOS? Anyone?

[KT2000]

On Katy, I agree. The rest of Houston, No.

And that's not an argument I will try to make. Eisenhower and Yates are the only other two programs to consistently represent Region 3 at some point similar to the way Katy has/is still. Ike never could get over that barrier, but there were some good games in there.

[jbusch]

Actually the posts just list the information listed on other supposedly reputable sites. Post 9 lists the more up to date Massey numbers and is posted by a ET fan. Post 10 is a link to (and listing of) the Calpreps page with the numbers updated to include all the games. Since so many of your posters seem to place so much importance on SoS, I would think you would want accurate information. And my post (I think it is 15) is merely a statement of fact and an observation based on the numbers posted on the two different sites. You guys were the ones who put so much stock in the sos numbers. I don't think think they matter one iota, and I think it's a little disingenuous to try to deflect credit for this subject onto Katy fans. :D We have nothing but respect for the Mavs, and know it will be a tough game between two worthy opponents. :cool:

BTW - My post # 9 was not meant to brag up ET but mearly to show the disparity regarding the same statisical subject among the various "experts".

No problems here, and I understand your point of view

It will all be decided on the field ( hopefully not by the refs) :D

[katyfan52]

SOS does matter some. I think it matters a lot more for North Shore than Katy, though. Katy has played in a weak region for quite a while now, but they still get to the title game a fair amount of the time. More times than not, they do it when they have homefield in the Semis, but they're still able to overcome it. The game results for North Shore look a lot more impressive this year than Judson's but this reminds me a lot of 2005 when a 6-4 (9-4 in the Semis) Judson team beat a 10-0 (13-0 in Semis) Westfield team. The only differences are the game is in Houston and North Shore has played a weaker schedule than 05 Westfield and has a worse power ranking.

For the record, here are the point spreads on Calpreps, which are based upon all the games each team has played.

Trinity by 6.7 over Plano.
North Shore by 2.2 over Judson.

Abilene by 2.7 over Pflugerville.
Katy by 3.7 over Madison.

The ratings adjust each week because Judson was like a 3 or 4 point underdog to Reagan last week according to Calpreps.
Thanks for the info. :notworthy :)

[HOOKEM]

WHY???!!!! Show where a Katy fan said Katy played a tougher schedule than Madison. All I have read is how great the 265 is and that most people agree. Show where a Katy fan said we played in tough district. Personally, I think your trying to make yourself less nervous, but hey I don't know. I guess we will get this one locked too!:(

Do you truly think sos is gonna matter a kick-off Saturday? Never mind, of course you do, your team plays in the 265:rolleyes:


Well well Dynasty don't make me go back and qoute where you bragging on Katy's gauntlet of a playoff run through the toughest region in the state (scarcasm).

You posted on 11/26 "26-5 is average at best" as opposed to the Juggernaut that is the 18?

Get real and look at the stats before your eyes.
Without Katy there to roll there would not be 1 team in the 18 worthy of being in the playoffs.

I love messin with the tigers.
Here kitty kitty kitty!

[twcpfan1]

On Katy, I agree. The rest of Houston, No.

GPNS may have an argument. A dominant performance in 2003 and a possible place in the big dance this year. Not a bad 5 year run, not to mention the undefeated streak in regular season games.

[ALLIN]

Stop getting info from Calpreps, they are known for being "out there" with there stats!

[KT2000]

GPNS may have an argument. A dominant performance in 2003 and a possible place in the big dance this year. Not a bad 5 year run, not to mention the undefeated streak in regular season games.

They haven't been there consistently enough IMO. Too many early exits when they had the quality to go further. I hope they get it done this year. I'm a big fan of their program.

[jbusch]

Stop getting info from Calpreps, they are known for being "out there" with there stats!

But if they support my twisted bigoted logic I'll continue to preach it.:D

[ALLIN]

True True!!! I think that is why they do it!!!

[cougmantx]

Region 3 and Region 4 are both extremely top heavy, but I don't think anyone worth the keyboard they type on would debate the quality of the best teams from each.

They just let that one go right by them to continue to argue mundain stats that will worth .02 cents come saturday. I can't wait the get this game behind us.

[twcpfan1]

They haven't been there consistently enough IMO. Too many early exits when they had the quality to go further. I hope they get it done this year. I'm a big fan of their program.


If compared to Katy, I would agree.

[dada]

Just curious.....what does this have to do with Saturday's game? Let's say I'm driving to San Antonio........I go straight out I-10 in a Lamborgini.....some one else is going to San Antonio and they're taking all the back roads in a pinto....hitting every light.....they had a tougher road than the guy in the Lamborgini....BUT the both eventually meet up in San Antonio.....get out of their cars and have a fist fight.....Can i say the dude in the Pinto is gonna kick the guy in the Lambo's a@@ because he had the "TOUGHER ROAD"? LMAO....Strenght of schedule ONLY matters when you're fighting for BCS possitions....so if Katy wins state...with that "SOFT" Strength of schedule.....Maybe Texas football isnt as great as we think it is. Just because you get beat up by 3 guys in your neighborhood on a weekly basis dosent exactly mean those 3 guys can beat up everyone in the state. On the flipside, if you can walk through your neighborhood and not get into fights at all, dosent mean you CAN'T fight.

[katyfan52]

No, Katy's opponents were 6 points worse than Madison's. I'm ready for that 11 point differential between Judson and North Shore!:D
Okay, I'm just trying to see if I understand these numbers. On this site the sos numbers are Rankings, right. With Madison ranked at 25 for sos (based on the first 11 games?) I'd say they were much higher than Katy at 126. Am I right so far? Now from the appearance, the calpreps numbers are indices rather than rankings, right? So the numerical distance between the two teams sos cannot be determined by comparing rank (after 11 games) and indices (after 14 games). But to the statistically challenged (myself), it appears that Katy's sos is closer to Madison's with the 12th, 13th and 14th games taken into consideration. How am I doing? The numbers are interesting, but my opinion is based more on Katy's execution rather than stats. Thanks for the insight lonny23. :)

[twcpfan1]

If there is one advantage to being in R3, it's the travel time, or lack of it. I know a team like Katy travels well. Just wondering if they had to do it for 5 games instead of 1 or 2, like other regions have to.

[MADFAN#1]

Just curious.....what does this have to do with Saturday's game? Let's say I'm driving to San Antonio........I go straight out I-10 in a Lamborgini.....some one else is going to San Antonio and they're taking all the back roads in a pinto....hitting every light.....they had a tougher road than the guy in the Lamborgini....BUT the both eventually meet up in San Antonio.....get out of their cars and have a fist fight.....Can i say the dude in the Pinto is gonna kick the guy in the Lambo's a@@ because he had the "TOUGHER ROAD"? LMAO....Strenght of schedule ONLY matters when you're fighting for BCS possitions....so if Katy wins state...with that "SOFT" Strength of schedule.....Maybe Texas football isnt as great as we think it is. Just because you get beat up by 3 guys in your neighborhood on a weekly basis dosent exactly mean those 3 guys can beat up everyone in the state. On the flipside, if you can walk through your neighborhood and not get into fights at all, dosent mean you CAN'T fight.

I agree with the point you are trying to make, but the analogy falls way short. The type of vehicle you drive in no way prepares you to fight. :D:D

[rwilleby]

Right now our SOS is 14-0... Everything else really doesn't matter, now does it? ;)

On the traveling question... Yep, we'd do it...

[dada]

I agree with the point you are trying to make, but the analogy falls way short. The type of vehicle you drive in no way prepares you to fight. :D:D

What if you don't have power steering????:D

[MADFAN#1]

What if you don't have power steering????:D

I had a pinto and it had power steering!! LOL :D

[KT2000]

Right now our SOS is 14-0... Everything else really doesn't matter, now does it? ;)

On the traveling question... Yep, we'd do it...

Imagine the RV decorations people would come up with. :)

[dada]

I had a pinto and it had power steering!! LOL :D

Ok...scratch the Pinto....Let's say.....Buick 225 Electra!...you know the one where you had to wrestle the steering wheel like a bus and turn it 30 times just to switch lanes?.....one of those.

[texalaska]

Yea but the RED Lamborgini has a TIGER IN THE TANK!

[Shoot2thrill]

Good Lord, I started this thread last night at 10:30 and we already have 60 + replies and have even lowered ourselves to discussion of sub-par transportation from the past. When will all the madness stop??:):puke

At this rate, this only being Wednesday, I predict this will be a 15 page thread by Friday!:laugh

[slcdragonfan]

In the fight, it's not the car, nor the route, but the person driving the car that makes the difference. If Ali steps out of that lamb, he probably wins. And that is the point about strength of schedule, yaddayadda.

[dada]

Yea but the RED Lamborgini has a TIGER IN THE TANK!

But he had such an EASY road to San Antonio...how could he even compete with the guy in the pinto?:D

[dada]

In the fight, it's not the car, nor the route, but the person driving the car that makes the difference. If Ali steps out of that lamb, he probably wins. And that is the point about strength of schedule, yaddayadda.

BINGO!!!!:notworthy

[Dynastybegan86]

Well well Dynasty don't make me go back and qoute where you bragging on Katy's gauntlet of a playoff run through the toughest region in the state (scarcasm).

You posted on 11/26 "26-5 is average at best" as opposed to the Juggernaut that is the 18?

Get real and look at the stats before your eyes.
Without Katy there to roll there would not be 1 team in the 18 worthy of being in the playoffs.

I love messin with the tigers.
Here kitty kitty kitty!

You're taking what I said out of context. Typical for a 'sip. I never said 18 was a juggernaut, nor did I ever brag on Katy's run in the playoffs to that point. You are probably correct about Katy and the 185, but it is getting better. We'll never be as good as the 265, but we could be close in a few years. If you would like to go back and qoute what I said, that is fine with me, its your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ynebb2fhg&feature=related


I think Sarcasm is the key word you were looking for, and a key word in many of my posts!

[katyfan52]

LOL, I have been arguing this point for weeks now. Check my past posts. Somebody else is finally exposing the weekness (or top heavyness) that is the 18.
This hasn't exactly been a secret. :D We complain about it regularly. That's why we are so glad to see the change in coaching at Mayde Creek and Cinco's yearly improvement.

[dada]

You're taking what I said out of context. Typical for a 'sip. I never said 18 was a juggernaut, nor did I ever brag on Katy's run in the playoffs to that point. You are probably correct about Katy and the 185, but it is getting better. We'll never be as good as the 265, but we could be close in a few years. If you would like to go back and qoute what I said, that is fine with me, its your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ynebb2fhg&feature=related

that video scares me. I have to be careful when I'm riding my pet elephant through tall grass now.

[2smooth07]

This is not the BCS so it doesnt matter about SOS...what matters is that Madison is a good football team alongside Katy...This will be a tough test for both squads...is this game going to be on FSN or are the State games the only ones televised???

[katyfan52]

that video scares me. I have to be careful when I'm riding my pet elephant through tall grass now.
You've done it again. :D Is it worse than CFB2's creepy clown avatar?

[Dynastybegan86]

that video scares me. I have to be careful when I'm riding my pet elephant through tall grass now.

Well as long as you don't call him, you'll be ok! When someone says "here kitty, kitty, kitty" then you best back away quickly:D


BTW, good post about the drive! Wise words.:ninja:

[dada]

Well as long as you don't call him, you'll be ok! When someone says "here kitty, kitty, kitty" then you best back away quickly:D


BTW, good post about the drive! Wise words.:ninja:

I like the video...That guy represnts Madison..The Elephant represents 26-5A...and once they stepped on the field.....they saw the "Lil' Kitty":D

[lonny23]

I do give credit to judson. No question they pulled it off but my point is that the WF defense held judson the whole game but the WF O was hamstrung after the injury. Also, out of curiosity, I wonder how often a team with 4 losses makes it to the title game? WOS? Anyone?
I know it happened in 2005!:p

OK, Hebron also did it a few years ago in 4A and Beaumont West Brook did it in 1982.

[lonny23]

GPNS may have an argument. A dominant performance in 2003 and a possible place in the big dance this year. Not a bad 5 year run, not to mention the undefeated streak in regular season games.
2003 was dominant and a title game this year would be a nice 5 year run. The bad thing for GPNS is that they've won all those regular season games in a row and haven't won that many playoff games. It's 7 years of not losing in the regular season, but those wins will pale to what Judson has done in those 7 years if GPNS loses.

In the last 7 years,

GPNS
01 12-1 and out in Round 3
02 11-1 and out in Round 2
03 15-0 and Champs
04 11-1 and out in Round 2
05 11-1 and out in Round 2
06 11-1 and out in Round 2
07 14-0

15-5 in the playoffs

Judson
01 9-3 and out in Round 2
02 14-1 and Champs
03 6-4 and missed playoffs
04 13-1 and lost Semifinals
05 10-5 and lost title game
06 6-4 and missed playoffs
07 10-4

17-3 in the playoffs

[Tut]

Not strength of schedule, but since I'm bored, I decided to see what Cal Preps thinks of Texas football.
For starters, California has three of the top seven. Miami Northwest is ranked 47.
Here are the top Texas rankings. I scrolled down for all eight remaining 5A teams.

20 Euliss Trinity
67 Plano
71 Arlington Bowie
97 Odessa Permian
98 Katy
100 Highland Park
101 Everman
119 Abilene
153 SA Madison
157 Wichita Falls Rider
158 Pflugerville
165 Liberty Hill
167 Southlake Carroll
197 Longview
202 Dallas Skyline
208 Smithson Valley
214 Celina
221 Spring Westfield
227 Gilmer
242 RR Stoney Point
248 Copperas Cove
267 Stephenville
270 GP North Shore
333 Waco LaVega
341 Tatum
342 Waco
344 Cisco
352 Cedar Hill
364 Converse Judson

[lonny23]

Just curious.....what does this have to do with Saturday's game? Let's say I'm driving to San Antonio........I go straight out I-10 in a Lamborgini.....some one else is going to San Antonio and they're taking all the back roads in a pinto....hitting every light.....they had a tougher road than the guy in the Lamborgini....BUT the both eventually meet up in San Antonio.....get out of their cars and have a fist fight.....Can i say the dude in the Pinto is gonna kick the guy in the Lambo's a@@ because he had the "TOUGHER ROAD"? LMAO....Strenght of schedule ONLY matters when you're fighting for BCS possitions....so if Katy wins state...with that "SOFT" Strength of schedule.....Maybe Texas football isnt as great as we think it is. Just because you get beat up by 3 guys in your neighborhood on a weekly basis dosent exactly mean those 3 guys can beat up everyone in the state. On the flipside, if you can walk through your neighborhood and not get into fights at all, dosent mean you CAN'T fight.Year in, year out playing better teams has traditionally given teams a better chance for playoff success. Teams that play in December, but lose a few games along the way are dangerous to play.

Now saying all that, sometimes a team that just rolls over everybody keeps it up and sometimes teams are so good it doesn't matter who they play.

Even in 1A, we know that 9-1A is a tough district and they still have 2 teams alive. Windthorst went 4-6 and got beat in the Quarterfinals 17-16 by a 13-0 Munday team from their district. If the Trojans had won last week, I would've predicted that they win state. That's what happens when you play tough teams all year.

Judson is 10-4 and Pflugerville is 11-3, but you can't sleep on either team. They've played tough teams and that has helped them in the playoffs. All I'm saying is North Shore is ripe for the picking this week; even in Houston.

[bullrock]

Someone asked if a team has ever reached the finals with 4 losses before this thread digressed to pintos and elephants. Judson did get to the finals in 05 with the same record we are entering this weeks game.
'Cuse me, my weenie dog just peed on my elephants leg making him run through the tall grass beside my trailerhouse. He was running so fast, he completely squashed my pinto. How am I going to get to the game in Houston this week? The elephant pulled a hammy after tripping over the pinto so I can't take him and I don't have a Lambo.

[lonny23]

Okay, I'm just trying to see if I understand these numbers. On this site the sos numbers are Rankings, right. With Madison ranked at 25 for sos (based on the first 11 games?) I'd say they were much higher than Katy at 126. Am I right so far? Now from the appearance, the calpreps numbers are indices rather than rankings, right? So the numerical distance between the two teams sos cannot be determined by comparing rank (after 11 games) and indices (after 14 games). But to the statistically challenged (myself), it appears that Katy's sos is closer to Madison's with the 12th, 13th and 14th games taken into consideration. How am I doing? The numbers are interesting, but my opinion is based more on Katy's execution rather than stats. Thanks for the insight lonny23. :)
Calpreps gives you 2 things. They have your overall rating, which is a comparison to all the other teams nationwide and there is a rank within the nation, state, and classification associated with that rating. They also list the strength of schedule for the teams, but there is no rank associated with the strength of schedules unless you count them manually yourself.

Here's some more data from elsewhere.

Rating strength of schedule:

1. Judson 177.51
3. Madison 176.30
4. Trinity 176.05
5. Pflugerville 175.93
11. Plano 174.96
12. Abilene 174.77
59. Katy 169.27
65. North Shore 168.93

Record strength of schedule (Goes by total opponent wins and ultimately moves teams up that play longer):

1. Judson 123-58
2. Madison 113-65
3. Pflugerville 109-66
4. Trinity 108-64
6. Abilene 104-73
8. Plano 100-74
12. Katy 93-76
17. North Shore 90-82

Average district power ratings:

3 (Abilene) 176.30
14 (Pflugerville) 174.72
26 (Judson/Madison) 174.67
9 (Plano) 169.99
7 (Trinity) 166.96
22 (North Shore) 166.25
18 (Katy) 166.13

[mad_fan]

Good Lord, I started this thread last night at 10:30 and we already have 60 + replies and have even lowered ourselves to discussion of sub-par transportation from the past. When will all the madness stop??:):puke

At this rate, this only being Wednesday, I predict this will be a 15 page thread by Friday!:laugh

Not on Saturday...;)

[Dynastybegan86]

All I'm saying is North Shore is ripe for the picking this week; even in Houston.

Somebody from NShore copy and paste this into a word doc and post it in the NShore locker room!! PLEASE!!! :eek:

[bullrock]

Leave it to Lonny. I'm sure there is enough garbage going both ways to paper all the halls of both schools.

[Dynastybegan86]

Someone asked if a team has ever reached the finals with 4 losses before this thread digressed to pintos and elephants. Judson did get to the finals in 05 with the same record we are entering this weeks game.
'Cuse me, my weenie dog just peed on my elephants leg making him run through the tall grass beside my trailerhouse. He was running so fast, he completely squashed my pinto. How am I going to get to the game in Houston this week? The elephant pulled a hammy after tripping over the pinto so I can't take him and I don't have a Lambo.

Well......

Sometimes you're the dog
Sometimes you're the hydrant :D

[lonny23]

Good Lord, I started this thread last night at 10:30 and we already have 60 + replies and have even lowered ourselves to discussion of sub-par transportation from the past. When will all the madness stop??:):puke

At this rate, this only being Wednesday, I predict this will be a 15 page thread by Friday!:laughThis is one of the funnest weeks of the year every year. I'm circling it on the calendar next year:

Fight with Region 3 week!:D

[mad_fan]

Katy is 6-1 in the semifinals against Region 4.

Katy won two of those games at the Alamodome (vs. Macarthur 1998, vs. Schertz Clements 2003) and two at neutral sites- DKR (vs. Judson 1994) and Kyle (vs. Marshall 2000).

Of course, this doesn't include Katy's win over Judson at the beginning of the 1999 season at the Alamodome.

So, Katy's had better than average success playing Region 4 champions outside of the Houston area.

Most of those kids have graduated...Right???:)

[lonny23]

Not strength of schedule, but since I'm bored, I decided to see what Cal Preps thinks of Texas football.
For starters, California has three of the top seven. Miami Northwest is ranked 47.
Here are the top Texas rankings. I scrolled down for all eight remaining 5A teams.

20 Euliss Trinity
67 Plano
71 Arlington Bowie
97 Odessa Permian
98 Katy
100 Highland Park
101 Everman
119 Abilene
153 SA Madison
157 Wichita Falls Rider
158 Pflugerville
165 Liberty Hill
167 Southlake Carroll
197 Longview
202 Dallas Skyline
208 Smithson Valley
214 Celina
221 Spring Westfield
227 Gilmer
242 RR Stoney Point
248 Copperas Cove
267 Stephenville
270 GP North Shore
333 Waco LaVega
341 Tatum
342 Waco
344 Cisco
352 Cedar Hill
364 Converse Judson2 games blew Judson's rating out of the water and they've never fully recovered. It was those losses to Tivy and Wagner that have held them in the 300-500 range all year. Otherwise, they'd be up around 100 nationally.

[Dynastybegan86]

Most of those kids have graduated...Right???:)

I think they did:confused:, but I know plenty of those players who have brothers on this years team. Those older brothers are really getting after them too.:rolleyes:

[lonny23]

Someone asked if a team has ever reached the finals with 4 losses before this thread digressed to pintos and elephants. Judson did get to the finals in 05 with the same record we are entering this weeks game.
'Cuse me, my weenie dog just peed on my elephants leg making him run through the tall grass beside my trailerhouse. He was running so fast, he completely squashed my pinto. How am I going to get to the game in Houston this week? The elephant pulled a hammy after tripping over the pinto so I can't take him and I don't have a Lambo.
Judson also lost to a 6-4 team in the Semis in 1982.

[lonny23]

Somebody from NShore copy and paste this into a word doc and post it in the NShore locker room!! PLEASE!!! :eek:
They might not know it now, but they will at kickoff. I hope Judson reads it, too because they don't need to bow down and cower at the thought of playing North Shore.

[Dynastybegan86]

2 games blew Judson's rating out of the water and they've never fully recovered. It was those losses to Tivy and Wagner that have held them in the 300-500 range all year. Otherwise, they'd be up around 100 nationally.

So how did CJRockets get this far??:confused:


What I read you saying is that ratings and rankings mean bupkiss this time of year, correct?:eek:

[bullrock]

The last time Judson was intimidated by any team was that 6-4 Beaumont Westbrook team in 1982. I think they made up thier minds in that game that they could play with anybody. That doesn't always translate to a win, but they are not afraid to but heads with them.

[Dynastybegan86]

They might not know it now, but they will at kickoff. I hope Judson reads it, too because they don't need to bow down and cower at the thought of playing North Shore.

With their reputation, I would be shocked if they are bowing down to or cowering at any thought of playing anyone! You shouldn't bring your boys down like that.

[katyfan52]

Calpreps gives you 2 things. They have your overall rating, which is a comparison to all the other teams nationwide and there is a rank within the nation, state, and classification associated with that rating. They also list the strength of schedule for the teams, but there is no rank associated with the strength of schedules unless you count them manually yourself.

Here's some more data from elsewhere.

Rating strength of schedule:

1. Judson 177.51
3. Madison 176.30
4. Trinity 176.05
5. Pflugerville 175.93
11. Plano 174.96
12. Abilene 174.77
59. Katy 169.27
65. North Shore 168.93

Record strength of schedule (Goes by total opponent wins and ultimately moves teams up that play longer):

1. Judson 123-58
2. Madison 113-65
3. Pflugerville 109-66
4. Trinity 108-64
6. Abilene 104-73
8. Plano 100-74
12. Katy 93-76
17. North Shore 90-82

Average district power ratings:

3 (Abilene) 176.30
14 (Pflugerville) 174.72
26 (Judson/Madison) 174.67
9 (Plano) 169.99
7 (Trinity) 166.96
22 (North Shore) 166.25
18 (Katy) 166.13
I appreciate the effort, lonny23, and I think I understand, but this post proves to me why I was glad I was a music major; because it meant I didn't have to take calculus in college. ;) What I am getting from all this is that looking at the strength of our region and district as exemplified by our sos, and looking at our record in the playoffs, that Katy appears to defy conventional wisdom by being one of those teams that manages to be a strong contender w/out being challenged in district. Is that a fair statement? Thanks for all the work. :)

[lonny23]

So how did CJRockets get this far??:confused:


What I read you saying is that ratings and rankings mean bupkiss this time of year, correct?:eek:
Judson got this far because they're a good team. I was just commenting that the Rockets are better than their rating because of 2 horrendous losses that never should've been. They beat Leander and then lost to Tivy. They beat Madison and then lost to Wagner. I'm not saying ratings are garbage at all. I will say that Judson is peaking and North Shore might've already hit a plateau.

[dada]

Ok...it's official...Katy and North Shore are the weakest teams left in the playoffs. Do we have to go through the "My kid is cuter than your kid" talk all this week? I mean that's all these threads are. One person who hasnt seen one team play all year trying to force his OPINION on someone else.

[lonny23]

I appreciate the effort, lonny23, and I think I understand, but this post proves to me why I was glad I was a music major; because it meant I didn't have to take calculus in college. ;) What I am getting from all this is that looking at the strength of our region and district as exemplified by our sos, and looking at our record in the playoffs, that Katy appears to defy conventional wisdom by being one of those teams that manages to be a strong contender w/out being challenged in district. Is that a fair statement? Thanks for all the work. :)
Yes,

Katy somewhat defies logic with all the Semifinal wins they have. All across the state in all classifications, the teams from the best districts win a lot more in the playoffs than the bad districts. Getting pushed by better teams just translates to more playoff wins. The horrible districts have early playoff exits. Katy and North Shore are usually in mediocre districts and can go either way depending on how good their teams are that year.

[katyfan52]

Yes,

Katy somewhat defies logic with all the Semifinal wins they have. All across the state in all classifications, the teams from the best districts win a lot more in the playoffs than the bad districts. Getting pushed by better teams just translates to more playoff wins. The horrible districts have early playoff exits. Katy and North Shore are usually in mediocre districts and can go either way depending on how good their teams are that year.
Thanks. That seems to reflect the reality. ;)

[fbstangman]

I'm glad we play the game on the field and not in some statisticians living room. See ya on Saturday. Go Mighty Mustangs.

[lonny23]

I'm glad we play the game on the field and not in some statisticians living room. See ya on Saturday. Go Mighty Mustangs.
I'm glad it's on the field, too. The statmen are mistaken about which team is better!:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

Wow...talk about a reversal of stats :eek: Either several of the statisticians don't know what they are taiking about or this is all crap!!

Agreed. What this thread has taught me is that SOS is a bunch of BS. It apparently is a subjective thing since the results can vary so widely. Kinda like polls. Only thing that matters is scoreboard at the end of the game.

[Statman/NS]

The statmen are not mistaken....I'm one of them! All they do is provide numbers from which you and others can reference to make comparisons. There is no perfect system. Until you are actually on the field, you don't know. Gaging someone's speed from film is not a perfect science either. Until he runs by you you don't realize just how fast or slow they are. Once you see it live you make adjustments to them.

As for the predictions and number crunching, just look at college football this year. Anybody can go down from week to week!!

So let's just get to the field, face to face and see what happens. As the saying goes "let's get it on"

And by the way GO MUSTANGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trojanbacker]

I've always felt that it wasn't the strength of schedule that counted but the strength of the beating you put on those teams on your schedule. The other stuff is just for fans to argue about.

[unbiasedobserver]

Is Judson the only team left that failed to win the District? Who was the last team to win state without winning the District?

[Butch Fifield]

Is Judson the only team left that failed to win the District? Who was the last team to win state without winning the District?

Plano didn't win district. I am sure it isn't that uncommon.

[FreshmanTiger]

Ok...scratch the Pinto....Let's say.....Buick 225 Electra!...you know the one where you had to wrestle the steering wheel like a bus and turn it 30 times just to switch lanes?.....one of those.

I have a La Car with out power steering, but don't worry about me finding San Antonio I have "Tom Tom"...:D:eek:

[FreshmanTiger]

Most of those kids have graduated...Right???:)

Most...:D

[RedRage00]

Katy needs to work on scheduling teams that have a pair lol

RR

[STJL41]

Pflugerville didn't win their district...from what I read earlier I believe they were relegated to the 4th playoff spot after losing out on a tiebreaker (to Round Rock I believe, but don't quote me on that one)

[dada]

Can an undefeated team have a "good" strength of schedule? I mean...they BEAT everyone. The teams that LOSE to other teams are naturally feel like they had it harder right? SOS is like saying.."We loss, but it was to a GOOD team"....a loss is a loss. If you lose to a team that's 3-0 and in those 3 games, all the teams they beat were winless teams...you still benefit SOS wise from that team being 3-0...SOS....is BS. Something to make a loser feel good about themselves. If they team you loss to was 8-0 or 1-7....you still get a L.

[cyfallsbooster2]

We go through this every year and nobody ever learns. Houston teams almost exclusively play Houston teams. They never know their Region isn't as good as the rest of the state until they get to the Semis and then Katy bails out the region about half the time and they somehow scrape up winning in the Semis about 40% of the time. When Houston plays non-Houston teams, they get beat the vast majority of the time. That goes for the regular season and the playoffs. I've been looking at Calpreps ratings every year since 2003 or 2004 and they've always said the same thing. Houston has a whole lot of weak teams and no districts that are very strong. More times than not, 17 and 23 have a little balance and sometimes Katy's district is somewhat respectable. North Shore's district has gone from "DOA" to "On life support."

Actually, WOS's numbers show quite the opposite. R4 wins 40% for the past 30 years. R3 wins the 60%.

[lonny23]

Is Judson the only team left that failed to win the District? Who was the last team to win state without winning the District?
Judson 4th
Pflugerville 4th
Abilene 2nd
Plano 2nd

Katy, North Shore, Trinity, and Madison were 1st.

12-3 Tyler Lee won state in 2004 and was a 3rd place team.

[cyfallsbooster2]

You're taking what I said out of context. Typical for a 'sip. I never said 18 was a juggernaut, nor did I ever brag on Katy's run in the playoffs to that point. You are probably correct about Katy and the 185, but it is getting better. We'll never be as good as the 265, but we could be close in a few years. If you would like to go back and qoute what I said, that is fine with me, its your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ynebb2fhg&feature=related


I think Sarcasm is the key word you were looking for, and a key word in many of my posts!

WIth your posts, I think he was correct in using "scarcasm".:D

[lonny23]

Can an undefeated team have a "good" strength of schedule? I mean...they BEAT everyone. The teams that LOSE to other teams are naturally feel like they had it harder right? SOS is like saying.."We loss, but it was to a GOOD team"....a loss is a loss. If you lose to a team that's 3-0 and in those 3 games, all the teams they beat were winless teams...you still benefit SOS wise from that team being 3-0...SOS....is BS. Something to make a loser feel good about themselves. If they team you loss to was 8-0 or 1-7....you still get a L.
Yes, you can have a good strength of schedule and not lose a game. It happens every year. It just doesn't happen in Houston.

[lonny23]

Actually, WOS's numbers show quite the opposite. R4 wins 40% for the past 30 years. R3 wins the 60%.
I'm not talking about the last 30 years. Houston dominated SA through the end of the 80's. SA started winning a lot more from 1990 on.

Region 4 is 19-15 in the Semis since 1990, which is 56%, but I was also giving a loose number to account for wins like SV's 2 over Houston teams this year and some of the other recent wins by Region 4 over Houston during the season.

[dada]

Yes, you can have a good strength of schedule and not lose a game. It happens every year. It just doesn't happen in Houston.

Give me an example. Could it be the OTHER way around...being that Houston is so evenly spread out with schools and talent that you are not going to get a dominate school or one dominate district year in and year out? You could merge the Alief schools in with Houston lamar and westside and make the claim that it would be the toughest district in Houston...what if houston didnt open so many new schools and merged katy and cy-fair ISD?

[cougmantx]

With all of the discussion of SOS and Districts and blah, blah, blah...there is one fact that remains. Katy is rank #4 in the nation and #1 in the state. You don't get there without having something going for you.

Please explain the discrepancy between the SOS, districts and the rankings.

And don't tell me that Katy has these numbers "because they play in a weak region, division, district" because I am sure that these are figured into the rankings.

[dada]

With all of the discussion of SOS and Districts and blah, blah, blah...there is one fact that remains. Katy is rank #4 in the nation and #1 in the state. You don't get there without having something going for you.

Please explain the discrepancy between the SOS, districts and the rankings.

And don't tell me that Katy has these numbers "because they play in a weak region, division, district" because I am sure that these are figured into the rankings.

Katy taylor, mayde creek and cinco ranch would say they played in the toughest district in the state and could pull the "You guys don't have to play Katy every year" excuse when asked why they havent won a district title.

[cougmantx]

Give me an example. Could it be the OTHER way around...being that Houston is so evenly spread out with schools and talent that you are not going to get a dominate school or one dominate district year in and year out? You could merge the Alief schools in with Houston lamar and westside and make the claim that it would be the toughest district in Houston...what if houston didnt open so many new schools and merged katy and cy-fair ISD?

If Katy and Cy Fair district would merge it would be a super district...completly out of control. :notworthy

[cougmantx]

Katy taylor, mayde creek and cinco ranch would say they played in the toughest district in the state and could pull the "You guys don't have to play Katy every year" excuse when asked why they havent won a district title.


And they would be right.

[dada]

If Katy and Cy Fair district would merge it would be a super district...completly out of control. :notworthy

with a new school opening every year it would be HARD for Houston to have one dominate district. That's basicly what seems to be happeing in San Antonio....the best schools in the city happen to be in the same district...you can say it's a tough district, but at the same time a weak region...9 times out of 10 a San Antonio team will come out of region 4(A Valley team will make it once in my lifetime)so the region representative will come from one of the top schools....that happen to be all in the same district.

[cougmantx]

with a new school opening every year it would be HARD for Houston to have one dominate district. That's basicly what seems to be happeing in San Antonio....the best schools in the city happen to be in the same district...you can say it's a tough district, but at the same time a weak region...9 times out of 10 a San Antonio team will come out of region 4(A Valley team will make it once in my lifetime)so the region representative will come from one of the top schools....that happen to be all in the same district.

So tell me dada4w, what do they base the national and state rankings on. Don't they take distrcits, regions and such into account or do they just take the strength of the program based on the past years and caliber of players that are coming up. Seems like there are alot of good teams out there that aren't ranked. SA Madision isn't ranked are they? And if they aren't why not if they are in such a tough district?

[dada]

So tell me dada4w, what do they base the national and state rankings on. Don't they take distrcits, regions and such into account or do they just take the strength of the program passed on the past years and caliber of players that are coming up. Seems like there are alot of good teams out there that aren't ranked. SA Madision isn't ranked are they? And if they were in such a touch district, why weren't they?

I have no idea how they do national rankings....we can't even rank college teams correctly so how can someone rank every school in the country...the people who do the rankings probably haven't seen ANY team play besides Carrol on television this year. I think they just go on records...come on...the chronicle had Clements as the #3 team this year....everyone outside of Sugar Land knew that wasn't the case, yet some of the "Experts" picked Clements to win...If you go out to a game and LOOK at a team, see what plays they make, what plays they don't...no matter who they are playing you can get an idea of how good a team is....You can leave a game saying "that team is good, but there seconday is gonna hurt them later on in the year"...or something like that....Rankings don't mean anything to me..just someones list of favorite teams.

[lonny23]

Here's just 1 example of why I talk about Houston and I ran a similar stat about the 2005 season because it was the same then.

Metro Houston 5A teams are 11-25 against teams not in the metro area. I know you want to know what the wins were so here goes:

S Westfield over RR Stony Point.
Klein Forest over Lufkin.
S Westfield and FB Clements over Beaumont West Brook.
Katy over A&M Consolidated.
H Kingwood, B Lee, Humble, H Lamar, and A Nimitz over Port Arthur Memorial.
TW College Park over Huntsville.

I'm kind of partial to 26-5A, who is 26-4 against other districts this year!:D Judson, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Wagner lost a non-district game.

[lonny23]

Give me an example. Could it be the OTHER way around...being that Houston is so evenly spread out with schools and talent that you are not going to get a dominate school or one dominate district year in and year out? You could merge the Alief schools in with Houston lamar and westside and make the claim that it would be the toughest district in Houston...what if houston didnt open so many new schools and merged katy and cy-fair ISD?
It's not about new schools or any of that. Houston plays each other and when they play other places, they typically lose and their power ratings suffer. Judson beat Leander this year and you better believe that 14-5A being tough helped Judson's strength of schedule.

You could find enough teams to put together to have a dominant Houston district, but they haven't had one for a good while now.

[dada]

It's not about new schools or any of that. Houston plays each other and when they play other places, they typically lose and their power ratings suffer. Judson beat Leander this year and you better believe that 14-5A being tough helped Judson's strength of schedule.

You could find enough teams to put together to have a dominant Houston district, but they haven't had one for a good while now.

And it will never happen. Geographicaly, region 4 benefits San Antonio...more people will be rushing to San Antonio than to Laredo, Corpus, McAllen and Brownsville. And like I said, it just so happens that the best schools in the San Antonio area are in the same district and I don't think it will change. The balance of power will shift from school to school, but not in the region. On the other hand here in Houston things are changing. the powers from the 90's like Ike is fading and new ones emerging like Pearland. The powers still stay in the Region, they are just at other schools.

[lonny23]

With all of the discussion of SOS and Districts and blah, blah, blah...there is one fact that remains. Katy is rank #4 in the nation and #1 in the state. You don't get there without having something going for you.

Please explain the discrepancy between the SOS, districts and the rankings.

And don't tell me that Katy has these numbers "because they play in a weak region, division, district" because I am sure that these are figured into the rankings.
OK, I'll bite.

Jerry's ratings have a baseline startpoint. Calpreps does not have a startpoint. Both use the philosophy of teams being favored by X amount. If you beat the spread, your rating goes up. If you don't beat it, it goes down.

The ratings get out of whack, though. Teams as huge favorites typically really beat the spread and that makes your rating really go high and usually doesn't show your true strength.

The rating that starts with a baseline says Katy is #1 in Texas.
The rating that doesn't start with a baseline says they're #5.

The human polls don't factor in strength of schedule much. It's mostly if you won or lost.

[lonny23]

with a new school opening every year it would be HARD for Houston to have one dominate district. That's basicly what seems to be happeing in San Antonio....the best schools in the city happen to be in the same district...you can say it's a tough district, but at the same time a weak region...9 times out of 10 a San Antonio team will come out of region 4(A Valley team will make it once in my lifetime)so the region representative will come from one of the top schools....that happen to be all in the same district.
The thing to keep in mind is that 26-5A ventures out to play teams from elsewhere. Judson likes to play teams from 13 and 14. Having a tough district helps 26-5A in weeks like this one.

Calpreps says that only 2 teams from Region 3 have a power ranking above 40. There are 4 teams in 26-5A that have a power ranking above 40.

I won't deny that Region 4 isn't strong overall. The redeeming factor is that 25, 26, and 28 find ways to be above .500 in the Semis.

[lonny23]

So tell me dada4w, what do they base the national and state rankings on. Don't they take distrcits, regions and such into account or do they just take the strength of the program based on the past years and caliber of players that are coming up. Seems like there are alot of good teams out there that aren't ranked. SA Madision isn't ranked are they? And if they aren't why not if they are in such a tough district?
National human polls go off of recruiting hype, the past, and teams that almost never lose.

[lonny23]

And it will never happen. Geographicaly, region 4 benefits San Antonio...more people will be rushing to San Antonio than to Laredo, Corpus, McAllen and Brownsville. And like I said, it just so happens that the best schools in the San Antonio area are in the same district and I don't think it will change. The balance of power will shift from school to school, but not in the region. On the other hand here in Houston things are changing. the powers from the 90's like Ike is fading and new ones emerging like Pearland. The powers still stay in the Region, they are just at other schools.
I agree that things move around. I will say that most of the best teams just aren't as good as they used to be. I've heard that 26-5A might get broken up pretty good. They might kick Judson and SV out.

[WestlandTiger'95]

how about some x's and o's?
After watching mulitiple films on madison numerous times, they confirmed what i already knew about them. They are a very good, disciplined team. Their players do their jobs and and execute very well.
There O'line has good size and can move very well. One of their best plays is a counter trade, where tackle and gaurd pull and the fullback is right behind them with the RB right behind him. Most teams arent quick enough to to execute this very well, but Madison can get those big boys moving. I look forward to seeing how Katy's Dline is able to get in there and keep those big boys from getting to their assignment. Basically if Katy's Nose Gaurd can get in there and hit two linemen before they can get off to the second level, Madison will be in trouble in the running game.
This was why we caused so many problems for clements last week, but Madison is much better than clements. If Katy's linebackers do not have linemen in their face this game will be over very shortly. The opposite applies too, if Madison is getting to the second level often, then it will be a long day for the katy defense.

now on the outside, madison loves to throw the stop route on the one step drop. Then let their recievers do the work to pick up the YAC. Katy's DB's will have to be up close to keep this from hurting them all day long. The only way they can do that is if the safeties can trust that the boys up front are doing their job. It's all so simple and fundamental, but with two teams that are very similar it is the difference in the ballgame.
Madison loves to run these two plays from the same formation because it is so hard to tell whats coming. But they also run so many formations at you your head can spin sometimes. I do not envy coach Joseph for the work he is putting into coming up with schemes this week.

Now Madison's Defense...
Very small but very good! When you first look at their Dline you think "no way", but they are very fast and cause havoc in the backfield. They keep their pad level so low this it is hard for big linemen to get under them and keep them out of the play. The top teams in region 4 like to use this strategy of small and fast linemen on the Dline. They love to stack the box some times using a 6-2 front, a straight up 4-4 and sometimes even a 3-5 but close up. They cause alot of havoc with their speed up front and get off of blocks very well. Their Defensive versatility is what make them so good on that side of the ball. Katy's defense is the opposite, they like to give you the same look over and over but are not in the same scheme. They always seem to be in the same place with the same front but they also have the speed to send guys from every angle from anywhere on the field.

If you love to watch defenses get after the ball from all over the field, this will the the game of the year for you!

Katy has a number of weapons at it's disposal that we have read about and seen, so no need to go into that. You pretty much have to play your most disciplined, flawless game on the defensive side of the ball to slow down this years katy offense. Katy will not line up in as many formations as Madison but they do throw some different looks at you. One of the strengths of running so many plays from similar formations is you dont really know what your about to get hit with. It's really a "trick" style of offense without the trick plays. More of a Bait and switch offense. We bait you in and then turn you out. This is all stuff we have heard before and has been Katy's bread and butter for years.

Katy is very efficient in passing the ball to the corners this year. Hitting the 10-15 yard out has seemed routine at times , which can be a problem for alot of offenses at the high school level. Katy's pass protection has been very consistent and gives Mitchell ample time to look down field and let things develope.

Its so overstated and cliche, but the battle will be won in the trenches once again. Keep an eye on Katy's NG and on Madison's DE and LB. IMO opinion Those are the Keys to victory.

[cougmantx]

National human polls go off of recruiting hype, the past, and teams that almost never lose.

Thanks, so if I read this right then it is just someones "best guess" Seems like a rediculous way of reaching national and state rankings. There has to be some kind of mathimatical, statistical reasoning behind it or it is worthless.

It appears to me that this arguement would hold true for toughest districts, regions and divisions too.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Here's just 1 example of why I talk about Houston and I ran a similar stat about the 2005 season because it was the same then.

Metro Houston 5A teams are 11-25 against teams not in the metro area. I know you want to know what the wins were so here goes:

S Westfield over RR Stony Point.
Klein Forest over Lufkin.
S Westfield and FB Clements over Beaumont West Brook.
Katy over A&M Consolidated.
H Kingwood, B Lee, Humble, H Lamar, and A Nimitz over Port Arthur Memorial.
TW College Park over Huntsville.

I'm kind of partial to 26-5A, who is 26-4 against other districts this year!:D Judson, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Wagner lost a non-district game.

I know that sounds impressive to you, because you are a R4 fan. But it is not an impressive record to us R3 fans. As we all know, 265A is loaded with about 4-5 strong teams. But, you get past those 4-5 teams and the rest of R4 is weak in comparison. 175A was 19-5 during preseason which is comparable to 265A's, but it was done in a region where the competion is more evenly spread throughout the region. So what do those numbers tell us? Nothing.

[Redhoss]

Katy needs to work on scheduling teams that have a pair lol

RR

The Woodlands, A&M Consolidated and Klein will likely be taking offense to your statement.

Those teams were all in the playoffs by the way.

[Shoot2thrill]

The Woodlands, A&M Consolidated and Klein will likely be taking offense to your statement.

Those teams were all in the playoffs by the way.

That used to mean something back in the day.;)

[Redhoss]

If Katy and Cy Fair district would merge it would be a super district...completly out of control. :notworthy

And no one would want to play the top 4 teams each year. :eek::D

[jrock210]

Not sure of what to make of this but according to this very site's method of calculating the strength of schedule, here is the SOS of the final 8 teams after 11 games. Apparently this wasn't calculated after the 11th game. I thought it was interesting who had the highest and lowest SOS.;)

Converse Judson- 4

Pflugerville- 18

San Antonio Madison- 25

Abilene- 42

Northshore- 57

E. Trinity- 71

Plano- 87

Katy- 126
I know I'm late on this but Judson has 4th toughest SoS?

[Redhoss]

That used to mean something back in the day.;)

I have an idea, how about we schedule Madison every year. :D

[Tut]

Poll, rankings, ratings, sos, and computers mean nothing except in the BcS. The games are played on fields which are not made of paper. We're at a point now where very few have seen the next opponent live. Every team still remaining is capable of winning on a given day. I'm ready for Saturday!!!!!!!!!

p.s. - GO KATY!!!!!!!!!!

[HebronHawk]

I know it happened in 2005!:p

OK, Hebron also did it a few years ago in 4A and Beaumont West Brook did it in 1982.

Hebron was 16-0 in 2005 winning the 4A D2 State Championship.

[lonny23]

I know I'm late on this but Judson has 4th toughest SoS?
Toughest.

[lonny23]

Hebron was 16-0 in 2005 winning the 4A D2 State Championship.
Sorry, I meant to say North Crowley.:o

[Fleeman93]

Lonny I have a question for you when it comes to strength of schedule. What is your thoughts on what Katy did to 13-0 Clements last week (42-0)?

[jbusch]

Lonny I have a question for you when it comes to strength of schedule. What is your thoughts on what Katy did to 13-0 Clements last week (42-0)?

Ref's:D

[Shoot2thrill]

Lonny I have a question for you when it comes to strength of schedule. What is your thoughts on what Katy did to 13-0 Clements last week (42-0)?

Clements SOS was 197 so maybe there is a correlation after all. :rolleyes:

[Shoot2thrill]

Ref's:D

And they didn't bring their 'A' game.;)

[Fleeman93]

Clements SOS was 197 so maybe there is a correlation after all. :rolleyes:


Fair enough.

[DiamondJ2]

Katy is 6-1 in the semifinals against Region 4.

Katy won two of those games at the Alamodome (vs. Macarthur 1998, vs. Schertz Clements 2003) and two at neutral sites- DKR (vs. Judson 1994) and Kyle (vs. Marshall 2000).

Of course, this doesn't include Katy's win over Judson at the beginning of the 1999 season at the Alamodome.

So, Katy's had better than average success playing Region 4 champions outside of the Houston area.

And Judson is 10-5 against Region III in the semifinals. A less winning percentage than Katy, but played more semifinal games.

Astrodome 3-2
UT-Austin 2-2
Alamo Stadium 2-1
Rice 1-0
Farris 1-0
Alamodome 1-0

Houston 4-2
Austin 2-2
San Antonio 4-1

[STB24]

If Katy and Cy Fair district would merge it would be a super district...completly out of control. :notworthy

26-5a is already a super district :D

every team top to bottom can win at any given time.. every week your team has to bring their "A" game if they want to win.. and i feel bad for the teams like wagner roosevelt and churchill because being in district 26-5a is what kept them out of the playoffs this year.. in almost any other district at least 2 out of those 3 would have made playoffs.

[Tut]

2 games blew Judson's rating out of the water and they've never fully recovered. It was those losses to Tivy and Wagner that have held them in the 300-500 range all year. Otherwise, they'd be up around 100 nationally.

[QUOTE=lonny23;691937]

Calpreps says that only 2 teams from Region 3 have a power ranking above 40. There are 4 teams in 26-5A that have a power ranking above 40.
QUOTE]

So we use Calpreps to prove a point and discount their rating when it doesn't? :confused:



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[jrock210]

Toughest.

:eek: Leander= good
Tivy=good
SV=good
Madison=good
Reagan=good

You got 5 teams that are pretty good
You might throw Roosevelt in there as a decent team

[cougmantx]

26-5a is already a super district :D

every team top to bottom can win at any given time.. every week your team has to bring their "A" game if they want to win.. and i feel bad for the teams like wagner roosevelt and churchill because being in district 26-5a is what kept them out of the playoffs this year.. in almost any other district at least 2 out of those 3 would have made playoffs.


Yeah, but 26-5a will be out of it after this week end.

[MADFAN#1]

My 2 cents, and nothing more.

If you have a SOS of 126 and have a margin of victory of 37.4 then you are doing what you need to do. Sure the opponents you have played are not that good, but you have destroyed them. On the other hand if you have a SOS of 25 and have a smaller margin of victory then you are doing what you need to do also. It is the "W" that matters the most.

The bigger question should be:

How will Katy handle things if the game is close at the end? No one can really say because they have not been tested at the end of a game yet this year. I am not saying they won't step up I am just saying the jury is still out. We know Madison has been tested and come out on top in numerous games this season. They have trailed at some point in each of their four playoff games and won all four. If the game is close at the end my money will be on Madison.

No matter how the game turns out Saturday I want to say Hats Off to the Madison team for continuing to fight through all of the adversity that they have been faced with this year. Once DT went down no one would have predicted that you would have gone this far, except the players.

Good luck to both teams. :D

GO MAVS

[jrock210]

I know its a long shot but imagine if Madison is down 21 in the 4th Q and 1st play is a TD. Katy drives and fumbles and well the rest Madison rewrites...

[dada]

I know its a long shot but imagine if Madison is down 21 in the 4th Q and 1st play is a TD. Katy drives and fumbles and well the rest Madison rewrites...

If Madison is down 21 going into the 4th...I like Katy's chances.

[cougmantx]

My 2 cents, and nothing more.

If you have a SOS of 126 and have a margin of victory of 37.4 then you are doing what you need to do. Sure the opponents you have played are not that good, but you have destroyed them. On the other hand if you have a SOS of 25 and have a smaller margin of victory then you are doing what you need to do also. It is the "W" that matters the most.

The bigger question should be:

How will Katy handle things if the game is close at the end? No one can really say because they have not been tested at the end of a game yet this year. I am not saying they won't step up I am just saying the jury is still out. We know Madison has been tested and come out on top in numerous games this season. They have trailed at some point in each of their four playoff games and won all four. If the game is close at the end my money will be on Madison.

No matter how the game turns out Saturday I want to say Hats Off to the Madison team for continuing to fight through all of the adversity that they have been faced with this year. Once DT went down no one would have predicted that you would have gone this far, except the players.

Good luck to both teams. :D

GO MAVS

I know this for a fact, no matter what the outcome of the game this Saturday, no one on the Katy side has questioned Madions abilities. We know they are fast, athletic and have alot of weapons and their come back last week end was nothing short of spectacular.

[Redhoss]

Clements SOS was 197 so maybe there is a correlation after all. :rolleyes:

Probably considering Southlake Carroll is at 177 :D

[Jayhawker]

Hardest. It's like golf, the lower numbers are better.:cool:

Oh...that is what I have been doing wrong all these years. I thought it was like basketbal the first to 100 usually wins!

[slcdragonfan]

Probably considering Southlake Carroll is at 177 :D

Didn't you guys follow the car analogy in the Katy threads? Its not what route you take, or what car you drive (SOS), it's WHO IS DRIVING IT.:D

[Redhoss]

Didn't you guys follow the car analogy in the Katy threads? Its not what route you take, or what car you drive (SOS), it's WHO IS DRIVING IT.:D

yes, but you guys are the best example I have to show sos means nada. :D

[slcdragonfan]

yes, but you guys are the best example I have to show sos means nada. :D

exactly. at least, by the time you are 3-4 deep in the playoffs.:)

[nsmustang]

Didn't you guys follow the car analogy in the Katy threads? Its not what route you take, or what car you drive (SOS), it's WHO IS DRIVING IT.:D

That's correct. Take any of the final four teams this year and put them in any district you like (but not all in the same district) and they will be where they are now because they are all good teams. SOS does not matter if you are good. You will win regardless.

[CenTexFan52]

Has Katy ever played North Shore in non-district? How about recently? That would prove who is the best Houston team, probably in the state..:)

[texalaska]

Has Katy ever played North Shore in non-district? How about recently? That would prove who is the best Houston team, probably in the state..:)


I checked the 1980's, 90's and 2000's.

No games between North Shore and Katy.

Chances are very slim they play each other in playoffs because North Shore is much larger school than Katy.

[ktCarl]

Let me help with that. If you add up the ranking of all the teams Katy played and divide by 14 (games played) you get an average rank of 3213. For Madison that number is 2344. See, numbers can be turned to show you what you want. When the game starts SOS will not mean anything, just like it does now. Good luck to both and safe trip here (SA) Katy fans.

Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination. Vin Scully

I can prove anything by statistics except the truth. George Canning

Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures. Evan Esar


GO MAVS

Ahhhhhh! A most wise one. I'm with you on this post 100%. :cool:

Strength of Team is more meaningful and pertinent than Stregth of Schedule.

[TIGER07]

Imagine the RV decorations people would come up with. :)



That would ne a sight to see...:)

[Katy Band 2010]

Why doesnt the Alamodome alow spirit lines?
Why do they have a bunch of rules that dont really matter?

[Shoot2thrill]

I checked the 1980's, 90's and 2000's.

No games between North Shore and Katy.


There is no reason for that in my opinion. The two big hosses from the region should hook up at least every other year in pre-dictrict to give the fans and this message board something to talk about.;)

[lonny23]

Lonny I have a question for you when it comes to strength of schedule. What is your thoughts on what Katy did to 13-0 Clements last week (42-0)?
I'd say they won by about 10 points more than expected.

[Redhoss]

There is no reason for that in my opinion. The two big hosses from the region should hook up at least every other year in pre-dictrict to give the fans and this message board something to talk about.;)

We would like to do that. I don't know why we never have. I'm ok with playing Madison every year in pre-season but we can only play 3 or 4 games max.

[lonny23]

So we use Calpreps to prove a point and discount their rating when it doesn't? :confused:I haven't been discounting their ratings.

The truth is bad losses hurt your power ratings. Judson lost 8 power rating points after they lost to Wagner in Jerry's poll. They took a good loss after that Tivy loss, too.

That's the way things go.

On the other side, Calpreps consistently says Houston doesn't have an over the top strong district and this year was the weakest year yet.

[lonny23]

Ahhhhhh! A most wise one. I'm with you on this post 100%. :cool:

Strength of Team is more meaningful and pertinent than Stregth of Schedule.
I check all the time for teams and how much they win by and what's expected. That's the basis for me firing or not firing teams.

I'm another that wonders how teams that are rarely tested will react when pushed. History has shown me that more times than not a team that's not pushed much loses when they are pushed because they really don't know how to react. Teams that roll over people typically are shocked when somebody punches back and it takes everything they have to squeeze out a win when they don't lose.

[jt13]

If Judson had gone 10-0 in the regular season, their SOS would have been lower because their opponents would have been weakened. Makes the stats worthless.

[dada]

If Judson had gone 10-0 in the regular season, their SOS would have been lower because their opponents would have been weakened. Makes the stats worthless.

WOW...someone else with common sense...lol

[lonny23]

If Judson had gone 10-0 in the regular season, their SOS would have been lower because their opponents would have been weakened. Makes the stats worthless.
It doesn't make it worthless. It just means that Judson's opponents would have 4 fewer wins and 4 more losses and Judson would still have the best Strength of Schedule in Texas.

[dahutt77]

HAHA YAY for stats! since that will decide the outcome of the games on saturday. WOW! I really believe all the teams in this round of playoffs have played quality teams. All the teams will come out with a chip on their shoulder trying to prove something saturday and 4 teams will advance. But dont get me wrong I think it will be great fun and I enjoy all the discussions.