View Full Version : Are Katy Fans Disappointed?
cyfallsbooster2
12-10-2007, 08:49 PM
The Katy program returned almost all of last year's very talented team, probably the most talent they have had as a whole. And rightfully so, the Katy fans have been very anxious this year to see thier team in action. So far, thier enthusiasm has been answered with one of the most dominant performances, possibly of all time. In fact, many of the Katy fans were so enthusiastic about the upcoming (this) season, they were discussing the possiblities in July of SLC going DII so they could see thier team go up against them in the championship. As the season began to unfold, it became apparent that Smithson Valley, too was dominating thier games so some Katy fans began to get excited about the possiblities of getting another matchup against another elite program in the semi-finals. And then the last piece began to fall into place with CyFalls developing into a team that looked to be headed for a regional finals matchup with Katy for a 3rd straight year. So it was all beginning to line up......Falls, SV, Slc. Three programs that have provided very good competition for Katy over the past few years, two of them considered "elite" programs and one of them has won a State title 4 of the last 5 years.
However, over the past few weeks, these teams did not take care of thier business on the field (as Katy has) and have fallen by the wayside. So the question is, even though Katy is still in it (and my opinion is they will win it all in a very convincing fashion with the talent they have this year) are the Katy fans disappointed that they did not get to see thier team face these 3 teams along the way? This is a question from the fans' perspective and not the team's. I know the coaches and kids do not care who they are playing, they are merely focused on attaining another State title.
It was just a question that came to me after this past weekend. If katy fans think it is too early to discuss this issue, we can revisit it after the season is complete.:D
ruffshod
12-10-2007, 08:52 PM
Lock it up.....Championship!
Haha, we're all smiles over here! No regrets, no disappointments! Can't wait to see how it ends! :D:D:D
KatyTigerDad0407
12-10-2007, 09:06 PM
This is a question from the fans' perspective and not the team's. I'll take it as such. As a fan, I desperately wanted Carroll to destroy MNW. It didn't happen. From that perspective I am glad Carroll lost midway through the playoffs. Nothing against Carroll, but let it be said that MNW didn't beat the best in Texas.
I believe we are 1-1 with all three teams. Too much respect for the Dragons, Rangers, and Golden Eagles, not to mention the Falcons of Clear Lake(which Katy is (0-1)). As a fan I want memories to cherish. All 4 of these teams have given me great memories - good and sad.
Katy has been out while these have played on. So it goes deep in the playoffs, Katy is playing while these sit.
drgnbkr
12-10-2007, 09:09 PM
The Carroll guys were looking 3 weeks into the future and what they saw in Katy just overwhelmed them and Abilene took advantage and ran with it.....:D;)
cougmantx
12-10-2007, 09:10 PM
Boy I would love to get into this one...:D....but we got some unfinished buisness to take care of before I feel comfortable giving my wish list. You can be sure though that the number one thing on my list is to have Katy win state in a convincing fashion and the boys get the credit they deserve...
Maybe in 2 weeks
Redhoss
12-10-2007, 09:12 PM
I suppose we've developed some rivalries with those we have played against so it's natural to want to play again. There's some disappointment that we won't meet any of those 3 teams this year.
But I'm just glad to see us in the semifinals regardless of the opponent. :D
cyfallsbooster2
12-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Boy I would love to get into this one...:D....but we got some unfinished buisness to take care of before I feel comfortable giving my wish list. You can be sure though that the number one thing on my list is to have Katy win state in a convincing fashion and the boys get the credit they deserve...
Maybe in 2 weeks
Half way through my post, the thought occured to me. That's why I ended the way I did.
cyfallsbooster2
12-10-2007, 09:21 PM
I suppose we've developed some rivalries with those we have played against so it's natural to want to play again. There's some disappointment that we won't meet any of those 3 teams this year.
But I'm just glad to see us in the semifinals regardless of the opponent. :D
Understandable in both directions.
tigerbd
12-10-2007, 09:22 PM
As fans, it is always fun to play against teams that bring a large, loud, crowd to the playoffs. Katy has played Cy Falls, SV, and SLC each twice in the last 5 years and 2 of those games are on the 5A greatest games list. Most of them were decided by less than a TD and were exciting right to the end.
The other teams might bring just as big a crowd and might have just as great a game (Clements did bring a good crowd, at least), but you don't know what to expect.
Kind of like looking forward to going out to eat at a great steak house, then finding it's closed. You might still get a great meal at the seafood place next door, but you are probably disappointed that the steak house was closed, at least till you see how good the seafood is.
I hope that makes some sense.
Jeff-n-Katy
12-10-2007, 09:22 PM
I personally want us to play the better team. I know we have history with those teams mentioned but I would rather go up against the "best" the state has to offer. The teams that are left are the ones that proved that they had what it takes to move on and get the job done.
Just my .02
twcpfan1
12-10-2007, 09:27 PM
If I was a Katy fan, I'd be relieved that somebody else took care of SV, SLC and Cy Falls. It would be lunacy to wish to have to go through programs that have beaten you before. No matter which team you follow. Pretty sure they're feeling pretty confident about their chances to win it all, given who's left.
Football 101
12-10-2007, 09:27 PM
I would have loved to see a game between Katy and SV this year. I think it would have been good and I was really looking forward to it. Sorry it didn't happen. Sometimes things just don't work out like we would like.
Good luck next week.
KatyTigerDad0407
12-10-2007, 09:28 PM
If I was a Katy fan, I'd be relieved that somebody else took care of SV, SLC and Cy Falls. It would be lunacy to wish to have to go through programs that have beaten you before. No matter which team you follow. Pretty sure they're feeling pretty confident about their chances to win it all, given who's left.That why you are Cavalier, Dad.
twcpfan1
12-10-2007, 09:31 PM
That why you are Cavalier, Dad.
Yep, the name of the game is winning state. Not how ballsy you were , or how good you looked getting there.
Fleeman93
12-10-2007, 09:34 PM
The Katy program returned almost all of last year's very talented team, probably the most talent they have had as a whole. And rightfully so, the Katy fans have been very anxious this year to see thier team in action. So far, thier enthusiasm has been answered with one of the most dominant performances, possibly of all time. In fact, many of the Katy fans were so enthusiastic about the upcoming (this) season, they were discussing the possiblities in July of SLC going DII so they could see thier team go up against them in the championship. As the season began to unfold, it became apparent that Smithson Valley, too was dominating thier games so some Katy fans began to get excited about the possiblities of getting another matchup against another elite program in the semi-finals. And then the last piece began to fall into place with CyFalls developing into a team that looked to be headed for a regional finals matchup with Katy for a 3rd straight year. So it was all beginning to line up......Falls, SV, Slc. Three programs that have provided very good competition for Katy over the past few years, two of them considered "elite" programs and one of them has won a State title 4 of the last 5 years.
However, over the past few weeks, these teams did not take care of thier business on the field (as Katy has) and have fallen by the wayside. So the question is, even though Katy is still in it (and my opinion is they will win it all in a very convincing fashion with the talent they have this year) are the Katy fans disappointed that they did not get to see thier team face these 3 teams along the way? This is a question from the fans' perspective and not the team's. I know the coaches and kids do not care who they are playing, they are merely focused on attaining another State title.
It was just a question that came to me after this past weekend. If katy fans think it is too early to discuss this issue, we can revisit it after the season is complete.:D
To me Booster there is nothing you can do about who you play but keep winning. Early this season I did want a rematch with Falls but after the Strtatford game I really felt Stratford was a much better game so I was thinking I would be happy playing them. Then Clements comes along and beats Stratford so I was glad to be playing them. Madison is better team than SV as show by the two loses this year so I am happy we are playing them. SLC is a dissapointment because they were #2 all year and I really wanted a #1 vs #2 state championship for a change. I guess the bottom line is you have to take what you get.
Dynastybegan86
12-10-2007, 09:35 PM
I want to win! I want to beat any team in the path of winning our 5th state title! Now if we go out and get the job done, prove to everyone we were for real and had the best team in the state, then yes, I will discuss it with you then! Fair question CFB2!:)
Miss Kitty
12-10-2007, 09:38 PM
Nope. I am happy, proud, and blessed to be a Katy fan no matter the score on the scoreboard or who we play.
The King
12-10-2007, 09:38 PM
You can only play the team in front of you. Once you get into the playoff you play a better and better team each week.
Dynastybegan86
12-10-2007, 09:42 PM
If I was a Katy fan.
I just figured it out! It hit me square in the face:eek: CavDad, you're NOT a hater...you're a WANNABE! I thought all along.....
"man, everytime something says Katy on it, here comes CavDad to do his tongue and cheek routine, what a hater:rolleyes:"......
Now I know you're here because you want to be a Tiger!
Hey my good fan, there's plenty of room! No more blue shirts though, we are RED!;)
RedRage00
12-10-2007, 09:43 PM
This thread sounds like you may as well hand the trophy to Katy....Madison may have something to say about that this Saturday.
RR
ktytiger58mom
12-10-2007, 09:48 PM
If I was a Katy fan, I'd be relieved that somebody else took care of SV, SLC and Cy Falls. It would be lunacy to wish to have to go through programs that have beaten you before. No matter which team you follow. Pretty sure they're feeling pretty confident about their chances to win it all, given who's left.
This may be the difference between the two types of fans on this board. One type (not-Katy) says, "Alright, the tough teams are out of the way, the road to State is smooth sailing". The other type (Katy) say, "Holy crap, there are better teams than SV, SLC and Cy Falls that we have to worry about now!!"
twcpfan1
12-10-2007, 09:55 PM
This may be the difference between the two types of fans on this board. One type (not-Katy) says, "Alright, the tough teams are out of the way, the road to State is smooth sailing". The other type (Katy) say, "Holy crap, there are better teams than SV, SLC and Cy Falls that we have to worry about now!!"
Not smooth sailing. Just a history of matching up better with those teams. I'm not going to second guess what the Katy fans are thinking. But the majority of the ones who are disappointed SLC is gone are so because they wanted to beat the best. The ones who are disppointed Cy Falls is gone is because they wanted payback for last year. With SV, it's because they are 1-1. I seriously doubt if they are more worried about the teams that beat these teams. But hey, I could be wrong.
rellufnalla
12-10-2007, 09:55 PM
Ok, if this was Burger King and I can have it my way.
Over the Falls and through the Valley to sleigh the Dragon!
Yeah, that would have been the best gift under the tree.
But Tigers are smart enough to know to never look a gift horse in the mouth. :eek:
CyFallsMom
12-10-2007, 10:01 PM
Interesting thread. I think Katy for the most part would have liked to have seen a more competitive grouping of teams through the playoffs but, as some have already said, you take what comes along and you just take care of business. I have come to believe what they have been telling me all along - that it's possibly not a lack of competition but rather the fact that Katy is just that good this year and makes the competition look weak.
The supposed "elite" teams are out (except for Katy and North Shore) so some of the fun is gone...BUT, I'll bet when Katy is hoisting that hardware up towards the Alamodome roof, there won't be any sadness or crying, that's for sure - only sheer jubilation. I know there are Madison fans out there going "okay, what about us" - well, I haven't seen Katy play yet this year except for the televised game but a friend of mine went Saturday and I was told that Katy looks damn good - scary good - and they don't see any ending but a state championship trophy with the Katy Tigers on it. I have seen North Shore and I feel the same about them. It's HOUSTON'S year baby!!:):):D
katybacker
12-10-2007, 11:04 PM
Interesting thread. I think Katy for the most part would have liked to have seen a more competitive grouping of teams through the playoffs but, as some have already said, you take what comes along and you just take care of business. I have come to believe what they have been telling me all along - that it's possibly not a lack of competition but rather the fact that Katy is just that good this year and makes the competition look weak.
The supposed "elite" teams are out (except for Katy and North Shore) so some of the fun is gone...BUT, I'll bet when Katy is hoisting that hardware up towards the Alamodome roof, there won't be any sadness or crying, that's for sure - only sheer jubilation. I know there are Madison fans out there going "okay, what about us" - well, I haven't seen Katy play yet this year except for the televised game but a friend of mine went Saturday and I was told that Katy looks damn good - scary good - and they don't see any ending but a state championship trophy with the Katy Tigers on it. I have seen North Shore and I feel the same about them. It's HOUSTON'S year baby!!:):):DWow!! I hope Katy and North Shore are not falling into this trap. Guys, Madison and Judson are darn good teams and if you let up just a bit, say goodbye to State. The last thing we need to be thinking about is any hardware in 2 weeks. You talking about a trap game, this is it. So if you don't bring everything you have and more, it will be a long trip home.Cyfallsmom, thanks for all the adulations but if you don't mind, hold them just a bit longer. Thank you
78 Spartan
12-10-2007, 11:57 PM
Wow!! I hope Katy and North Shore are not falling into this trap. Guys, Madison and Judson are darn good teams and if you let up just a bit, say goodbye to State. The last thing we need to be thinking about is any hardware in 2 weeks. You talking about a trap game, this is it. So if you don't bring everything you have and more, it will be a long trip home.Cyfallsmom, thanks for all the adulations but if you don't mind, hold them just a bit longer. Thank you
San Antonio teams have been sticking it to Houston teams for years. I'd like to see WOS87 do the math on Region III vs. Region IV in the semis for the past 30 years, I bet it's been pretty darn competitive.
I learned that fact personally in 1978 when Stratford lined up against Churchill and the Chargers played us the best, most physical game of the year. We had no doubt that Churchill was good enough to beat us, and had they done it they would have been a 15-0 state champ that year.
I, too, think both Katy and North Shore have great shots at winning titles this year, but no doubt they will get their clocks cleaned if they look past these fine ballclubs from 26-5A.
78 Spartan
12-11-2007, 12:24 AM
San Antonio teams have been sticking it to Houston teams for years. I'd like to see WOS87 do the math on Region III vs. Region IV in the semis for the past 30 years, I bet it's been pretty darn competitive.
Never mind -- WOS87's thread on regional champs let me do the count. Since 1977 (last 30 years), Region 3 has won 27 and Region 4 has won 20, so obviously the best teams from the two regions are generally pretty well matched.
Region 4 might not be as deep as Region 3 (fewer different schools winning region 4 titles), but the best in R4 definitely can match up to the best in R3, according to history.
I'll admit, I really wanted to see Katy v. Southlake Carroll, Round 3. With Dodge healthy, it could have been one for the ages. However, I still think these last two games (potentially) will be very difficult and very entertaining.
katyfan52
12-11-2007, 01:39 AM
are the Katy fans disappointed that they did not get to see thier team face these 3 teams along the way?
Absolutely not. You go with what God gives you. ;) Those 3 teams will be there ready and willing to give us a game next year or the year after that or..... well you get the picture. :) Will there be any Cy's at the game this weekend booster???
DrEdward
12-11-2007, 04:19 AM
Certainly cannot speak for the Katy fans, but I am certainly disappointed that we couldn't get a third matchup between Katy and Carroll. With the injuries we have, even assuming we could have gotten there, the advantage would have had to be with Katy. With a healthy Carroll team, it would have been a great game to see.
CyFallsMom
12-11-2007, 06:10 AM
Wow!! I hope Katy and North Shore are not falling into this trap. Guys, Madison and Judson are darn good teams and if you let up just a bit, say goodbye to State. The last thing we need to be thinking about is any hardware in 2 weeks. You talking about a trap game, this is it. So if you don't bring everything you have and more, it will be a long trip home.Cyfallsmom, thanks for all the adulations but if you don't mind, hold them just a bit longer. Thank you
I just call them as I see them;). I know there are still two games to go but this Katy team isn't just any team as far as I can tell. Those boys aren't falling into any traps. This team is too disciplined. They will do what they have done all year...they are too focused and all of them remember last year too and that feeling in their gut. Like many Katy fans have said in the past - the fans can talk all they want - the teams do the talking on the field and that's the only voice that matters. Another thing that many of the fans say is that if a team wins or loses by what is said on a message board, then they shouldn't be where they are to begin with. It seems Katy hasn't taken anyone lightly this year even though so many of us have predicted they would.
Eagle81
12-11-2007, 06:55 AM
Last I checked. We're in the semi-final round. Maybe you guys know something I don't know, but I thought the state championship was open to any one of the four teams still playing in it. I understand Katy is loaded and has good reason to believe they will win the championship hands down. But I do think there are 3 other pretty goood teams with a chance to knock them off. It would be real disappointing if Katy lost this week and didn't even make it to the championship. Stranger things have happened.
twcpfan1
12-11-2007, 07:00 AM
Last I checked. We're in the semi-final round. Maybe you guys know something I don't know, but I thought the state championship was open to any one of the four teams still playing in it. I understand Katy is loaded and has good reason to believe they will win the championship hands down. But I do think there are 3 other pretty goood teams with a chance to knock them off. It would be real disappointing if Katy lost this week and didn't even make it to the championship. Stranger things have happened.
Again, I cannot speak for the Katy fans. But note that a non Katy fan started the thread and asked a direct question. They, and others were just responding, and not necessarily diminishing the accomplishments of the teams still in it.
ktCarl
12-11-2007, 07:35 AM
I don't care who we have to play on the journey. I think it is dissing SA Madison by saying we wanted SV instead. SA Madison is more than a worthy opponent and is quite capable of beating Katy. So are the other R1 and R2 champs. In fact, from this fans perspective, Katy has already had a successful season and a loss in the Semis or Finals doesn't ruin the whole journey. You have to take the season as a whole that way. Example being..If I were Clements/SV fans I would be proud of their kids and their accomplishments. A Regional Final is no easy undertaking.
So, I welcome all our worthy opponents as we face them without any disappointments. Right now it's SA Madison. They have earned their right to face us as much as we have earned the right to be playing them.
ktCarl
12-11-2007, 07:37 AM
Last I checked. We're in the semi-final round. Maybe you guys know something I don't know, but I thought the state championship was open to any one of the four teams still playing in it. I understand Katy is loaded and has good reason to believe they will win the championship hands down. But I do think there are 3 other pretty goood teams with a chance to knock them off. It would be real disappointing if Katy lost this week and didn't even make it to the championship. Stranger things have happened.
And this has been a strange season with favorites getting knocked off. Don't think Katy fans aren't aware of this.
ktCarl
12-11-2007, 07:40 AM
Never mind -- WOS87's thread on regional champs let me do the count. Since 1977 (last 30 years), Region 3 has won 27 and Region 4 has won 20, so obviously the best teams from the two regions are generally pretty well matched.
Region 4 might not be as deep as Region 3 (fewer different schools winning region 4 titles), but the best in R4 definitely can match up to the best in R3, according to history.
You better hope Lonny23 doesn't read your post. :D
Who Katy is playing fails to matter. I'm happy that there is a game this week, and will be even happier with a return trip to SA the following Saturday. Madison is the next obstacle for the Tigers and hopefully not the last.
KT2000
12-11-2007, 07:57 AM
Some fans may be dissapointed, but I guarantee you the Katy players are not and Madison has their undivided attention this week. None of that other stuff is in anyone's control. It's part of the game and it happens. The teams who are still standing have earned it, and fully deserve to be in their current positions.
MADFAN#1
12-11-2007, 08:12 AM
I don't care who we have to play on the journey. I think it is dissing SA Madison by saying we wanted SV instead. SA Madison is more than a worthy opponent and is quite capable of beating Katy. So are the other R1 and R2 champs. In fact, from this fans perspective, Katy has already had a successful season and a loss in the Semis or Finals doesn't ruin the whole journey. You have to take the season as a whole that way. Example being..If I were Clements/SV fans I would be proud of their kids and their accomplishments. A Regional Final is no easy undertaking.
So, I welcome all our worthy opponents as we face them without any disappointments. Right now it's SA Madison. They have earned their right to face us as much as we have earned the right to be playing them.
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
cougmantx
12-11-2007, 08:21 AM
From everything that I have heard about this SA Madison team and listening to the radio when they made their come back last week end, there is no doubt in my mind that we are playing the best from the 26-5a. Props to SA Madison for making it this far and I feel confident that the Katy team is focusing on them and only them.
As I posted at the beginning of this tread, I will be glad to give my wish list when we have completed our season but right now SA Madison is front of us and they are a pretty determined team with a huge confidence booster from last weeks game. Let's take care of buisness boys in a very convincing way and leave no doubt in anyones mind who was the best team when you leave that field on Saturday. :notworthy
Gateruner
12-11-2007, 08:22 AM
The beauty of the Playoffs is everything is decided on the field. It is tough to be the top team in the playoffs every year(although it has been done) but the reality is there will be some schools that just have a great class of kids come through and beat some of the "elite" programs. SA Madison and Abilene are prime examples of this. They werent really a big factor last year as far as I can remember yet they are playing this week and in my mind both teams deserve respect. Who knows, they may be set to be the next group of elite teams. I for one am happy we are still playing who ever it is.
To give you an answer to your question, I have enjoyed the atmosphere of playing the teams you listed. May not have liked all the outcomes but the atmosphere was awesome and if it isnt replicated then I will be disappointed. So in a way I am bummed that those teams arent there, but, who says the next game wont be a copy of the matches between SLC, SV or Cy. Then let them both play their best games and the chips will fall on the field. No shame in failing to advance if you played your absolute best.
With that said,
GO KATY!!
Miss Kitty
12-11-2007, 08:24 AM
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
You have not seen that in any of my posts. And please keep in mind, some of the folks on here from Katy, do not represent the whole fan base. But can you tell me what would be wrong with setting a goal of winning the State Championship? Would you or would you want your kids to strive to be anything less than the best they can be? You don't get there by setting the bar low. You get there by setting it as high as it will go an striving to reach it while keeping your eye on the prize. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would imagine all of the remainding teams feel the same way.
cougmantx
12-11-2007, 08:27 AM
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
Your right about that, but that is not new in the Katynation. We start every year, right after the last game of the year with that one goal in mind. From the time that these kids are in Jr. High, that is their goal. Win state as a varsity player for Katy High. It's a wonderful thing.
Having said that, anyone that has made it this far knows what is takes to get there and any team playing in the Semi Finals is a team good enough to win state.
Gateruner
12-11-2007, 08:34 AM
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
You want honesty, ok. If we aren't in the State Championship every year then I am disappointed. Yes, I am but it never takes anything away from the season as a whole. Never. I have always said that most teams are happy just to make the playoffs and that is it. I think Katy sets their sites to a higher goal. It isnt always reached but I believe it is always there. As far as not an option is concerned why is that bad. Part of winning it all is believing you will. I dont feel you can have doubts about that in your mind. The real test is when you dont, how do you react. Do you turn tail and hide or re-group and get ready to make the mark next year.
katyfan52
12-11-2007, 08:38 AM
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
I think DB86 put it well when he explained that the goal of winning the state championship was the goal set by the team at the end of the last season. Our job as fans and parents is to support our team/kids in pursuing their goal. That does not in any way diminish our respect for any opponent. I think what KTCarl's saying is that we will be there for them no matter what. It's all about the kids. :)
KTBandKid
12-11-2007, 08:47 AM
i personally was in shock after slc lost, but i don't think i was too disappointed. i do however know that a former tiger football player and a couple of his old team mates were very disappointed.
The King
12-11-2007, 08:49 AM
I think DB86 put it well when he explained that the goal of winning the state championship was the goal set by the team at the end of the last season. Our job as fans and parents is to support our team/kids in pursuing their goal. That does not in any way diminish our respect for any opponent. I think what KTCarl's saying is that we will be there for them no matter what. It's all about the kids. :)
The 1st question I was aksed in Freshman football was Q. do you want to win state when your a senior? A. yes. In the Katy football program they set high standards for the players. We did not get their when I was a Senior, but we went 10-2. Was I dissapointed yes. were we unsuccessful no.
If you do not set a high standard you will never get their.
If you set a high standard you might get their, but you will certainly get farther than you would have setting a low standard or no standard.
FreshmanTiger
12-11-2007, 08:49 AM
The Katy program returned almost all of last year's very talented team, probably the most talent they have had as a whole. And rightfully so, the Katy fans have been very anxious this year to see thier team in action. So far, thier enthusiasm has been answered with one of the most dominant performances, possibly of all time. In fact, many of the Katy fans were so enthusiastic about the upcoming (this) season, they were discussing the possiblities in July of SLC going DII so they could see thier team go up against them in the championship. As the season began to unfold, it became apparent that Smithson Valley, too was dominating thier games so some Katy fans began to get excited about the possiblities of getting another matchup against another elite program in the semi-finals. And then the last piece began to fall into place with CyFalls developing into a team that looked to be headed for a regional finals matchup with Katy for a 3rd straight year. So it was all beginning to line up......Falls, SV, Slc. Three programs that have provided very good competition for Katy over the past few years, two of them considered "elite" programs and one of them has won a State title 4 of the last 5 years.
However, over the past few weeks, these teams did not take care of thier business on the field (as Katy has) and have fallen by the wayside. So the question is, even though Katy is still in it (and my opinion is they will win it all in a very convincing fashion with the talent they have this year) are the Katy fans disappointed that they did not get to see thier team face these 3 teams along the way? This is a question from the fans' perspective and not the team's. I know the coaches and kids do not care who they are playing, they are merely focused on attaining another State title.
It was just a question that came to me after this past weekend. If katy fans think it is too early to discuss this issue, we can revisit it after the season is complete.:D
I think every championship team wishes they play the best teams. While SLC, SV, and Cy-Falls are all very special programs and have great history. This year I would not take anything away from the teams that were able to put together 4 good quarters of football and beat them. I still think Katy is playing good solid football teams and no matter who you are if you make it to the final 8 or the elite 4 than you are good.:cool:
ktCarl
12-11-2007, 08:53 AM
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
The State Championship is the GOAL and is not Katy's DESTINY. The journey towards that goal is what I enjoy. I can't help what other posters write and you have to remember they are all excited because of the way the Tigers are playing. I'm certain you and your fans are just as excited about your team. Beating SV TWICE in one season is sobering.
Dynastybegan86
12-11-2007, 09:19 AM
I think DB86 put it well when he explained that the goal of winning the state championship was the goal set by the team at the end of the last season. Our job as fans and parents is to support our team/kids in pursuing their goal. That does not in any way diminish our respect for any opponent. I think what KTCarl's saying is that we will be there for them no matter what. It's all about the kids. :)
Yeah, what she said!:cool:
WOS87
12-11-2007, 11:33 AM
Never mind -- WOS87's thread on regional champs let me do the count. Since 1977 (last 30 years), Region 3 has won 27 and Region 4 has won 20, so obviously the best teams from the two regions are generally pretty well matched.
Region 4 might not be as deep as Region 3 (fewer different schools winning region 4 titles), but the best in R4 definitely can match up to the best in R3, according to history.
The numbers definitely do NOT portray Region IV in the best light. Region IV may have won 20 out of 47 Semifinal matches in 5A over the past 30 seasons (42.6%), but if you expand the window to include 4A schools as well, the difference becomes huge....
In 4A Semifinal games Region III has won 33 out of 41 games (80.5%) over the past 30 years
Region IV has won 8 out of 41 games to date (19.5%). 2 of the 8 were by teams that are considered Region III today (Bay City and Willowridge) so the percentage of wins by teams that are considered Region IV currently is even lower (14.6%).
http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/scores/4aregionchamps.gif
6 of the 8 Region IV winners in 4A have spent various amounts of time in 5A over the past 30 years so I think it's valid to combine the 4A and 5A totals.
Despite the obvious difference in success Region III has had, in defense of Region IV, I will say that in witnessing first-hand the best Region IV had to offer on the 5 different occasions WO-S has been blessed enough to make it out of Region III over the past 20 years, without exception, the Semifinal opponent played us tougher than any of the Region III opponents we had to beat to reach that round. I think Region IV gets a bad rap and is generally underestimated most of the time more because of a string of incredibly bad luck in losing many very close games that in actuality could have gone either way, rather than there being any major difference in quality between the top echelon teams from either region.
Clements Football
12-11-2007, 12:13 PM
I know us Clements Fans are dissappointed, just say'n.....:cry
cyfallsbooster2
12-11-2007, 04:28 PM
You can only play the team in front of you. Once you get into the playoff you play a better and better team each week.
Very true. But isn't that looking at it from the players' and coaches' view point, rather than the fans'? Us fans can get on here and dream about and discuss whatever we wish. Well, I guess as long as there is a second to hold a discussion with.
cyfallsbooster2
12-11-2007, 04:33 PM
This thread sounds like you may as well hand the trophy to Katy....Madison may have something to say about that this Saturday.
RR
Very hardly. The only thing that makes you feel that way are my comments based on my beliefs. The Katy fans (and especially the team) know too well to not disrespect or look past an opponent. It may have been bad timing on my part to discuss this prior to the end of the season. It just seemed topical given the past weekend's results.
cyfallsbooster2
12-11-2007, 04:43 PM
I think Katy for the most part would have liked to have seen a more competitive grouping of teams through the playoffs....,
My intent was not to incinuate a more competitive grouping, but rather the past recent history with these 3 teams. Certainly, Katy has and is this week facing teams which proved themselves more competitive on the day given the oppurtunity.
cyfallsbooster2
12-11-2007, 04:53 PM
Again, I cannot speak for the Katy fans. But note that a non Katy fan started the thread and asked a direct question. They, and others were just responding, and not necessarily diminishing the accomplishments of the teams still in it.
Very true. I probably should have waited until later. Sorry if Madison, Pville and Abilene fans want to try and twist the discussion that way, but that was not the intent.
cyfallsbooster2
12-11-2007, 04:58 PM
From what I have read you are in the minority with that statement. Most Katy fans are saying State Championship or bust. There are a few who will come on and say I am wrong but if you honestly look at yourselves and all of the posts about your team you will see a majority think State Title is your destiny and anything less is not a option. :D:D
Believe me, in this reagion we have had lots of conversations, discussions and cussin's about the subject. But, I can assure you, "destiny" is completely the wrong word to use in your statement. Thier team and coaches are very focused on "obtaining" that elusive titile and the fans are very vocal in thier support of that quest. But, "destiny" is a very inappropriate word for the situation.
Redhoss
12-11-2007, 05:15 PM
I know us Clements Fans are dissappointed, just say'n.....:cry
As they say, there's always next year. Chin up. :D
texalaska
12-11-2007, 05:43 PM
I know us Clements Fans are dissappointed, just say'n.....:cry
I know you are disappointed. But from what I read, your football team went further than any other Clements team in a very very long time. And yall beat every team you played - undefeated up to the Katy game. Your team lost to the #1 rated team in the State. I think there are a lot of teams that would have taken that record. It was quite an accomplishment.
Remember, Katy lost in the Regionals last year (they were undefeated up to that point too), so they know how you feel.
As far as CyFalls, SV and SLC. Yea, we wanted to play them and expected it.
But on the other coin, I like playing teams we have not played before also, adds a little "something" different. Mixed feelings for me.
Why would Katy want to play SV when Madison is better? Madison beat them twice. A SC/Katy match up would have been a great game but there not be an asterick on the hardware just because SC isn't there this year. A state championship is the goal, not who you play.
ktrain
12-11-2007, 06:19 PM
I know us Clements Fans are dissappointed, just say'n.....:cry
Its ok to be disappointed but be very proud of what you accomplished. You had a great season that came up a little short. We have been there done that.
caveman
12-11-2007, 08:02 PM
All that matters is that team from San Antonio Madison. Beat Smithson Valley twice in the same year (Katy has not done that); and are emotionally higher than a kite after last week's match. The game will be charged; both sides will be reaching for the stars. All that matters is Saturday 1:30.:notworthy
KTFURB
12-12-2007, 12:58 AM
An earlier poster mentioned that he was sort of glad that SLC lost before the state finals after falling to MNW. No offense to SLC but I really felt the same way. I just didn't want to see our State Champ defeated by an outsider. And no offense to MNW. I saw the game and they have a great team. Madison beat SV twice, so they are the best in R4, D2. And we've never played them so it's a new challenge. Assuming Katy wins, and I really believe we will, I want Abilene. No offense to Pflugerville and nothing personal, but, a Katy-Abilene matchup looks much sexier from an historical perspective. The new elite program vs. a resurrected past elite program. The farm boys of the Katy prairie, er suburbs, against the titans of the west Texas oil patch. We missed out on the chance to play the Little SWC in the late 90's. And AHS fan, you know you want us too! So we both need to take care of business and then get it on!:cool:
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