Madison vs. Judson

[sendero]

Is it too early to start this thread? I don't think Judson can score enough points to keep pace with Madison. Oddly Madison could be rooting for SV tonight versus Reagan :eek: If they take care of business against Judson then they would most likely be the DI representative if Reagan doesn't make the top three facing Seguin in the 1st round with Clemens new enrollment figures. It is getting wild in the 26-5 :confused:

[mad_fan]

Is it too early to start this thread? I don't think Judson can score enough points to keep pace with Madison. Oddly Madison could be rooting for SV tonight versus Reagan :eek: If they take care of business against Judson then they would most likely be the DI representative if Reagan doesn't make the top three facing Seguin in the 1st round with Clemens new enrollment figures. It is getting wild in the 26-5 :confused:


YES

[Its In The Bag]

I think the way Judson is playing, Madison can dispose of them. If Judson gets there act together though, Madison has no chance. LIKE I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, ITS WHOEVER COMES OUT TO PLAY! Hopefully these mighty mavs will come out strong and wild. w00t

[clemensbuff]

I think the way Judson is playing, Madison can dispose of them. If Judson gets there act together though, Madison has no chance. LIKE I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, ITS WHOEVER COMES OUT TO PLAY! Hopefully these mighty mavs will come out strong and wild. w00t

Af Judson doesn't play better than they did last night, I can't see them winning another game this year and Madison will stomp them if they play no better. I wouldn't ever count CJ out yet. I still think that they can turn it around if the kids buy into the system and they can start to gel on offense. With a defense like they have (good for anyone else, average for CJ team), they will be in any game that they play. I am still amazed at what I saw last night. It simply wasn't CJ football that I watched!

[eingedikid]

"if the kids buy into the system and they can start to gel on offense." True, True.

On the other hand, unless the fans and the student body buy into a structurally and systemically improved manifestation of support from the spirit groups and the band, then I think we can pretty much expect the same old boring, uninspired, unoriginal nonsense from kids led by a cabal of adults who don't seem to care about what's taking place on the field (I'm not referring to the coaches here, either, or blaming the kids for that matter---it is, however, nearly everyone else, me included probably).

[Gridiron Gopher]

Judson's not dead yet. Come on people. This is the same team that played to the end with Cove and beat a solid Pflugerfield. They also were in a 7-7 tie with SV until the blocked punt. Yes their offense is struggling but their defense is still very good against the run and Madison bread and butter is the run. This should be a very good game and I still think Judson wins this one. Judson dead....no way.

[BandidoNB]

People always say how Judson has great fans, but honestly I dont think they are all that great. Look at all these poeple on here who are ready to just give up on them. When I went to the Judson-SV game a few weeks ago, I sat on the Judson side to support the Rockets and the whole crowd was silent. Ironic that I was the only one standing up around me cheering them on anyways (and I never even went to Judson). No attempt by any of them to cheer on in a losing effort and rally behind their team. I see the same thing happening here. This is sad. For a school that was voted on as having the "best fans" by various media organizations I am seeing a lackluster effort. C'mon Rocket fans! I have been to many games where a team is losing and their fans cheer and support them anyways. These are the schools who truly deserve the title of "best fans". Maybe the Rockets would play better if they felt like they just had more suppport.

[eingedikid]

"Maybe the Rockets would play better if they felt like they just had more suppport."

And that's precisely the point I've been trying to make here and in the "Can Rocket Pride Arise from the Dead" thread. Part of it hopefully can start in trying to bring back several traditional manifestations of the Rocket Pride and Rocketball spirit that made Rocket games fun---even the ones that we lost. I just don't see it any more. Several of the traditional manifestations of that spirit as put out in the past by the cheerleaders and the band in choreographing and coordinating the spirit have gone by the wayside in especially the past 5-10 years or so, and now we have practically nothing that distinguishes Judson from anyone else. Like I said, the same old non-sense now. It would be OK if in doing away with some of those traditionally unique manifestations of the Rocket Pride spirit of earlier times they were supplanted with something new and just as original--but I'm neither seeing it nor hearing it nor feeling it anymore. For now, at least, it's dead :mad:

[TexasRed6x]

Look folks Judson fans are use to winning period. I know that for many it is hard to swallow, but Judson fans will not tolerate losing. They have had 20 + years of constant winning and I feel they will always expect to win. I have seen Judson Play a few times over the past 10+ years and I will tell you this is not Judson football, not even close. I still feel that they will have a very hard time winning any of the remaining games this year, and if folks where at the game last night they would be hard pressed to disagree. I have also said that Judson still has a ton of talent and again I am not telling you things you did not know. The problem I feel is the coaching staff, they have ran off more talented coaches then you can think off. Booker, Jenks , Padron, just to name a few. I go back to when Rackley got the job, Judson would not pay for Dennis Parker to interview, that was a huge mistake. Wagner will have the last laugh here because they got all the best coaches. I know some will have a hard time with this but it is time to look around and look what is happening, and it is not goiing to be pretty.

[Bucky]

Af Judson doesn't play better than they did last night, I can't see them winning another game this year and Madison will stomp them if they play no better. I wouldn't ever count CJ out yet. I still think that they can turn it around if the kids buy into the system and they can start to gel on offense. With a defense like they have (good for anyone else, average for CJ team), they will be in any game that they play. I am still amazed at what I saw last night. It simply wasn't CJ football that I watched!

I have been trying to tell you guys that you wont see the same Judson ever again. Its over..its gone..its at the Texas HS Coaches Assoc., in Boerne (on the golf course), its in the AD's office and its at Wagner HS. I thought that Judson would win on the talent of their kids this season..but I was wrong..the ship is sinking and Rackley is franticly trying to bail out the water. The kids are DOUBTING the system..and I hope they will come back and beat Madison..Mac and Reagan...and if they do they should get in the playoffs...dependinig on what else happens. I will always be a Rocket fan...but I believe that Rocket Pride is over!!! Start Believeing in Wagner Pride or whatever they are!!! :cool: :cool:

[Bucky]

Look folks Judson fans are use to winning period. I know that for many it is hard to swallow, but Judson fans will not tolerate losing. They have had 20 + years of constant winning and I feel they will always expect to win. I have seen Judson Play a few times over the past 10+ years and I will tell you this is not Judson football, not even close. I still feel that they will have a very hard time winning any of the remaining games this year, and if folks where at the game last night they would be hard pressed to disagree. I have also said that Judson still has a ton of talent and again I am not telling you things you did not know. The problem I feel is the coaching staff, they have ran off more talented coaches then you can think off. Booker, Jenks , Padron, just to name a few. I go back to when Rackley got the job, Judson would not pay for Dennis Parker to interview, that was a huge mistake. Wagner will have the last laugh here because they got all the best coaches. I know some will have a hard time with this but it is time to look around and look what is happening, and it is not goiing to be pretty.

Well said!!!

[Bucky]

My apologies Clemensbuff....Judson will not beat Clemens this season..that was tough to type..they may not even get a chance to play them..Good Luck..Im gonna try to make the Clemens --SM game..Did you say it was at Clemens?

[clemensbuff]

I have been trying to tell you guys that you wont see the same Judson ever again. Its over..its gone..its at the Texas HS Coaches Assoc., in Boerne (on the golf course), its in the AD's office and its at Wagner HS. I thought that Judson would win on the talent of their kids this season..but I was wrong..the ship is sinking and Rackley is franticly trying to bail out the water. The kids are DOUBTING the system..and I hope they will come back and beat Madison..Mac and Reagan...and if they do they should get in the playoffs...dependinig on what else happens. I will always be a Rocket fan...but I believe that Rocket Pride is over!!! Start Believeing in Wagner Pride or whatever they are!!! :cool: :cool:

I'll never doubt you again! LOL It's just really hard to beleive that the team I watched last night in Red and Gray was Judson. They just didn't play with any fire at all. Churchill had maybe 20% as many fans as the Rockets did and they were louder from the start and throughout the game than the home side. Both players and fans did not act like the Judson Rockets of the past 25 years!

[eingedikid]

What's alarming, of course, is if it's true that the kids on the field are starting to doubt the system, but just as alarming in its own way, I would suspect, is that the actual student body seems to doubting or not buying into the Rocket Pride attitude and giving vocal support the way they used to (a classic example is how the HEY! HEY! of Mr. Paschall from years back was so effective because it was usually instigated by students in the stands calling out "Paschall....Paschall...Paschall" to get him to come to the mic to get the team and the fans fired up). Granted, some of the problem now is also perhaps a result of what happens over time with a split-campus configuration---and an enrollment the size it had grown to----and hence less of a timeframe for people to be in the loop on the passing down of various Rocket Pride traditions. That situation of course is in the process of changing, perhaps, but I'm not really sure if anyone has an answer at the moment on how to rectify what seem to be some deeply rooted structural and systemic ills.

[Bucky]

What's alarming, of course, is if it's true that the kids on the field are starting to doubt the system, but just as alarming in its own way, I would suspect, is that the actual student body seems to doubting or not buying into the Rocket Pride attitude and giving vocal support the way they used to (a classic example is how the HEY! HEY! of Mr. Paschall from years back was so effective because it was usually instigated by students in the stands calling out "Paschall....Paschall...Paschall" to get him to come to the mic to get the team and the fans fired up). Granted, some of the problem now is also perhaps a result of what happens over time with a split-campus configuration---and an enrollment the size it had grown to----and hence less of a timeframe for people to be in the loop on the passing down of various Rocket Pride traditions. That situation of course is in the process of changing, perhaps, but I'm not really sure if anyone has an answer at the moment on how to rectify what seem to be some deeply rooted structural and systemic ills.

Here is the problem and there is nothing anyone can do about it now...Rocket Pride is/was not just a phrase...It is/was a way of life. That way of life started with Coach Arnold and was continued with coach Rutledge. Coach Jeter and Gibbons were a big part of that for many..many ..many years... Coach Rackley was also a part of it but not as much as the others I listed...If you all remember Coach Rackley went off on his own to be the HC at a couple schools before he went back to Judson. Rackley didnt do very good out on his own..not very good at all and now there he is again. There are only 2 coaches that stayed with Rackley..
Rackly had a very good and loyal coaching staff when he got there..but 9 of the 12 coaches left..he is all by himself..he got some good coaches but nothing near what he had..Rocket pride was something that those coaches lived not said...and its just not in Mangold or Rhodes or any of the others. They wish it was but it aint.. and unfortunaltely it never will be..

[eingedikid]

So, in other words, we ought to start hearing/playing "This is the End" by The Doors as in Apocaplypse Now, or maybe "Game Over" by Lil Flip (for a more recent contribution)---neither one of which are really favoriates of mine. Take your pick---or maybe Don Meredith singing "turn out the lights" on MNF.

[TexasRed6x]

So, in other words, we ought to start hearing/playing "This is the End" by The Doors as in Apocaplypse Now, or maybe "Game Over" by Lil Flip (for a more recent contribution)---neither one of which are really favoriates of mine. Take your pick---or maybe Don Meredith singing "turn out the lights" on MNF.

YES!!!!!!!

[Gridiron Gopher]

Here is the problem and there is nothing anyone can do about it now...Rocket Pride is/was not just a phrase...It is/was a way of life. That way of life started with Coach Arnold and was continued with coach Rutledge. Coach Jeter and Gibbons were a big part of that for many..many ..many years... Coach Rackley was also a part of it but not as much as the others I listed...If you all remember Coach Rackley went off on his own to be the HC at a couple schools before he went back to Judson. Rackley didnt do very good out on his own..not very good at all and now there he is again. There are only 2 coaches that stayed with Rackley..
Rackly had a very good and loyal coaching staff when he got there..but 9 of the 12 coaches left..he is all by himself..he got some good coaches but nothing near what he had..Rocket pride was something that those coaches lived not said...and its just not in Mangold or Rhodes or any of the others. They wish it was but it aint.. and unfortunaltely it never will be..

I personally think that the "Rocket Pride" is still there. We are all seeing it right now. Unfortunately, this is the bad side of the Rocket Pride that we are seeing here at the site. A teams pride is there no matter what if you truely have it, win or lose. Now we'll see how strong that Judson pride is. If it fades then that's too bad because it doesn't say much about the individuals who are suppose to be behind that "Rocket Pride".
As for the coaches and Rackley, I'm sure he and his staff bleed Judson red. I would think that part of the problem that Judson is having is due to what as come out here on the site and that is they have lost some talent. It doesn't take much to bring a program down a little and there really isn't much difference between a good team or an average team. Judson is good but now can be beat by other good teams or average teams if they don't play well.
IMO, you are way out of line when discussing coaches. Unless you are one and are coaching at Judson, you and I don't have any idea what these coaches do or think. We "watch" a game and asume something from what we see. Most times what we thought was suppose to happen wasn't. I have talked to some of the kids and coaches over the past few years and have realize that they know 10 fold more then any of us.
Enjoy what you have and had. Support them, back them. Even when it gets tough. That will show just how good the "Rocket Pride" is.

[Bucky]

I personally think that the "Rocket Pride" is still there. We are all seeing it right now. Unfortunately, this is the bad side of the Rocket Pride that we are seeing here at the site. A teams pride is there no matter what if you truely have it, win or lose. Now we'll see how strong that Judson pride is. If it fades then that's too bad because it doesn't say much about the individuals who are suppose to be behind that "Rocket Pride".
As for the coaches and Rackley, I'm sure he and his staff bleed Judson red. I would think that part of the problem that Judson is having is due to what as come out here on the site and that is they have lost some talent. It doesn't take much to bring a program down a little and there really isn't much difference between a good team or an average team. Judson is good but now can be beat by other good teams or average teams if they don't play well.
IMO, you are way out of line when discussing coaches. Unless you are one and are coaching at Judson, you and I don't have any idea what these coaches do or think. We "watch" a game and asume something from what we see. Most times what we thought was suppose to happen wasn't. I have talked to some of the kids and coaches over the past few years and have realize that they know 10 fold more then any of us.
Enjoy what you have and had. Support them, back them. Even when it gets tough. That will show just how good the "Rocket Pride" is.

Way out of line? Im have said nothing bad about any coach. What I have said is my opinion about some men that are very close to me and have taught me a lot about football and life. What I am saying is that the men that built Rocket Pride are now gone and the pride that is there is different...its still pride its just not the same..I will always be a Judson fan and supporter...Im just telling you why it is different...any why they are gonna get beat by teams like churchill.. I havent question anything those coaches are doing..It just hurts to watch them play!

[eingedikid]

"Enjoy what you have and had. Support them, back them. Even when it gets tough. That will show just how good the 'Rocket Pride' is."

What we have going on now may actually be a good thing in the end as far as getting the "old time religion" (so to speak) back. The fans that remain--both long-timers, alumni and current students---and stick with it can form an excellent nucleus from which to get some things going again spirit-wise at least. One of the problems I've sensed in recent years is a certain amount of intertia that is hard to deal with when trying to fire people up within the crowd. Mix that with the greater challenges on the field now, and you have a lethal mix---melt-down when things go south. At least at the moment.

NOTE: I've posted so infrequently in recent months that I've yet to take the time to learn how to isolate out quotes from other posters the way it can be done here at this present version of the Board. Sorry about that.

[Gridiron Gopher]

Just hit "Quote" at the bottom right and add your post.

[clemensbuff]

My apologies Clemensbuff....Judson will not beat Clemens this season..that was tough to type..they may not even get a chance to play them..Good Luck..Im gonna try to make the Clemens --SM game..Did you say it was at Clemens?

Apology accepted. To be honest, I am really hoping that somehow the Rockets can turn it around. The game next Friday is at Clemens, but don't wait until Friday to try and get a ticket. That 20,000 seat stadium will sell out during the week for this one. LOL

[Reaganrattler07]

I personally think that the "Rocket Pride" is still there. We are all seeing it right now. Unfortunately, this is the bad side of the Rocket Pride that we are seeing here at the site. A teams pride is there no matter what if you truely have it, win or lose. Now we'll see how strong that Judson pride is. If it fades then that's too bad because it doesn't say much about the individuals who are suppose to be behind that "Rocket Pride".
As for the coaches and Rackley, I'm sure he and his staff bleed Judson red. I would think that part of the problem that Judson is having is due to what as come out here on the site and that is they have lost some talent. It doesn't take much to bring a program down a little and there really isn't much difference between a good team or an average team. Judson is good but now can be beat by other good teams or average teams if they don't play well.
IMO, you are way out of line when discussing coaches. Unless you are one and are coaching at Judson, you and I don't have any idea what these coaches do or think. We "watch" a game and asume something from what we see. Most times what we thought was suppose to happen wasn't. I have talked to some of the kids and coaches over the past few years and have realize that they know 10 fold more then any of us.
Enjoy what you have and had. Support them, back them. Even when it gets tough. That will show just how good the "Rocket Pride" is.

I agree Rocket Pride is still there....we're just not seeing the good part of it. Judson may actually miss out on the playoffs....anything can still happen, for a lot of teams.

[Reaganrattler07]

Apology accepted. To be honest, I am really hoping that somehow the Rockets can turn it around. The game next Friday is at Clemens, but don't wait until Friday to try and get a ticket. That 20,000 seat stadium will sell out during the week for this one. LOL

Naturally, I hope Reagan beats Judson in the final game....

[mad_fan]

So, in other words, we ought to start hearing/playing "This is the End" by The Doors as in Apocaplypse Now, or maybe "Game Over" by Lil Flip (for a more recent contribution)---neither one of which are really favoriates of mine. Take your pick---or maybe Don Meredith singing "turn out the lights" on MNF.


I love the smell of napalm in the morning. :D

[eingedikid]

I love the smell of napalm in the morning

Keep in mind that napalm smell might actually be the smell of freshly-burned kerosene following a succesful Rocket launch. The S-IC stage of the Saturn V used kerosene. If it were anything other than a succesful launch, there would probably be a bunch of other acrid smells and fumes. Thus that smell of napalm could actually be the smell of another sucessful Rocket flight, which I love smelling as well on the morning following a Rocket victory. Unfortunately, I woke up to some very acrid/putrid fumes wafting through my nostrils after Friday night's crack-up on the launch pad. It's a good thing "Launch Complex 39" has more than one launch pad, because "39-A" got scorched pretty good the other night.

[mad_fan]

Wow, a lot of detail. And all I had was a stupid movie reference...

[lonny23]

Is it too early to start this thread? I don't think Judson can score enough points to keep pace with Madison. Oddly Madison could be rooting for SV tonight versus Reagan :eek: If they take care of business against Judson then they would most likely be the DI representative if Reagan doesn't make the top three facing Seguin in the 1st round with Clemens new enrollment figures. It is getting wild in the 26-5 :confused:
This is a wait and see game for me. You hope Rocket pride will kick in eventually. You hope the offense will get better. I don't know the answer to either question.

[lonny23]

People always say how Judson has great fans, but honestly I dont think they are all that great. Look at all these poeple on here who are ready to just give up on them. When I went to the Judson-SV game a few weeks ago, I sat on the Judson side to support the Rockets and the whole crowd was silent. Ironic that I was the only one standing up around me cheering them on anyways (and I never even went to Judson). No attempt by any of them to cheer on in a losing effort and rally behind their team. I see the same thing happening here. This is sad. For a school that was voted on as having the "best fans" by various media organizations I am seeing a lackluster effort. C'mon Rocket fans! I have been to many games where a team is losing and their fans cheer and support them anyways. These are the schools who truly deserve the title of "best fans". Maybe the Rockets would play better if they felt like they just had more suppport.
Judson fans are very fickle. That happens when you win a lot. I've always said REAL Judson fans would come to the game even if they had to stand in the end zone.

[lonny23]

I'll never doubt you again! LOL It's just really hard to beleive that the team I watched last night in Red and Gray was Judson. They just didn't play with any fire at all. Churchill had maybe 20% as many fans as the Rockets did and they were louder from the start and throughout the game than the home side. Both players and fans did not act like the Judson Rockets of the past 25 years!
It sounds like this is hard on all the fans. Under the old system, you had hope that what worked before would work again. Now, you have to put faith in something that's never been tried before. That's a big difference.

[LoneRocket]

Will having a former Madison coach on the team help or hurt us?

[eingedikid]

Will having a former Madison coach on the team help or hurt us?
Well, it certainly hasn't helped thus far. On teh other hand, I think we're in a situation now where we pretty much need to try and see if he and his charges can get things to work. Dumping someone after such a short period now can sometimes make a presently bad situation irreparably worse. If we're at this same point next year, then maybe some changes are necessary. Even then, I'm not sure if maybe still one more year might be necessary to see if this new-fangled system can actually work.

[eingedikid]

I think we're in a situation now where we pretty much need to try and see if he and his charges can get things to work. Dumping someone after such a short period now can sometimes make a presently bad situation irreparably worse.
And it's precisely for that reason that I've unloaded my rants here and the thread that I started on whether Rocket Pride can arise from the dead almost exclusively on the poor coordination and articulation, for the crowd, of the non-football spirit and support groups in backing up the team and coaches, rather than criticize the actual team or coaches. The poorly presented and choreographed spirit support accentuates a hundred-fold whatever bad situations actually exist on the field at the moment.

[bcheat128]

"if the kids buy into the system and they can start to gel on offense." True, True.

On the other hand, unless the fans and the student body buy into a structurally and systemically improved manifestation of support from the spirit groups and the band, then I think we can pretty much expect the same old boring, uninspired, unoriginal nonsense from kids led by a cabal of adults who don't seem to care about what's taking place on the field (I'm not referring to the coaches here, either, or blaming the kids for that matter---it is, however, nearly everyone else, me included probably).

hey i come to every rocket game and cheer for them they have plenty of fans cheering them on

[eingedikid]

hey i come to every rocket game and cheer for them they have plenty of fans cheering them on
But are you comparing this with only the past few years when what we've got spirit-wise from the Band and cheerleaders is the same worn-out conventinal weaponry that everyone else and their dog does now, or 15-20 years ago when what you heard on the Judson side were the sounds of nuclear warfare (those aren't my words either)?

Quote from San Antonio Light on December 5, 1982:
Judson's [collective spirit] was the sound of nuclear warfare. Poor Churchill only could manage conventional weaponry

Go ahead, tell me I'm living in the past, but quite frankly I'd feel a lot better about whatever "changes" to what the band and cheerleaders have been doing these past few years had supplanted what was very effective and fun before with something just as if not more effective than what went before, but I'm not seeing it, hearing it or feeling it. A certain number of fans and I dare say the student body itself has been lulled to sleep and in some cases are downright bored, and you mix that now with misfortunes on the field, and you've got a total meltdown.

[bubbacoach]

I hear everyone talking about "Rocket Pride", but what I want to talk about is the "Magic of Judson". It could be one in the same, I am not sure, but I do know this the magic of Judson has not shown itself this year. In the past Judson has been able to beat more athletic teams that they were not given a chance against. Why? Because they believed. They could be in a tight game and you could feel and see the magic come alive. The players would make a play and get into a frenzy congradulating each other. They would feed off each other's success. Then the crowd would start the chant " We believe in Rocket Pride". And you could feel the electricity. In the 2002 state championship game, when Midland scored to go up with less than a minute left, it would have been easy to hang your head and say, Why us? But no the crowd got behind them with the chant, the players looked into each others eyes and said, we got it. The coaches made a call that the players wanted and the air turned electric. Andre Williams looked at Dustin Quinney and said you put it up and I will go get it. It was a belief in each other, abelief in themselves, the unselfishness, the genuine caring for each other, and the crowd support that brought out the "Magic of Judson". I just don't think the belief in the system, in each other, the uinselfishness, the crowd support are there right now. It has to start with the players getting excited for one another, the coaches showing genuine excitement for the players, and the fair weather fans getting back behind the Rockets. Can we please hear a little " WE BELIEVE IN ROCKET PRIDE, WE BELIEVE IN ROCKET PRIDE, WE BELIEVE.........." Bring back the MAGIC!

[eingedikid]

Can we please hear a little " WE BELIEVE IN ROCKET PRIDE, WE BELIEVE IN ROCKET PRIDE, WE BELIEVE.........." Bring back the MAGIC!
Amen to that!

Now Let's win this Game!
And Save our Name!
From Dsigrace and Shame!

Or anything else that'll work---new and/or old. Let's have some fun---win or lose--let's do it together and with great love, like that of the dearly-departed "Round Mound of Sound" who used to come to the mic to utter the above words.

[Bucky]

I hear everyone talking about "Rocket Pride", but what I want to talk about is the "Magic of Judson". It could be one in the same, I am not sure, but I do know this the magic of Judson has not shown itself this year. In the past Judson has been able to beat more athletic teams that they were not given a chance against. Why? Because they believed. They could be in a tight game and you could feel and see the magic come alive. The players would make a play and get into a frenzy congradulating each other. They would feed off each other's success. Then the crowd would start the chant " We believe in Rocket Pride". And you could feel the electricity. In the 2002 state championship game, when Midland scored to go up with less than a minute left, it would have been easy to hang your head and say, Why us? But no the crowd got behind them with the chant, the players looked into each others eyes and said, we got it. The coaches made a call that the players wanted and the air turned electric. Andre Williams looked at Dustin Quinney and said you put it up and I will go get it. It was a belief in each other, abelief in themselves, the unselfishness, the genuine caring for each other, and the crowd support that brought out the "Magic of Judson". I just don't think the belief in the system, in each other, the uinselfishness, the crowd support are there right now. It has to start with the players getting excited for one another, the coaches showing genuine excitement for the players, and the fair weather fans getting back behind the Rockets. Can we please hear a little " WE BELIEVE IN ROCKET PRIDE, WE BELIEVE IN ROCKET PRIDE, WE BELIEVE.........." Bring back the MAGIC!


Well said...I hope they can get the magic back. I guess what I've been trying to get at is just what you said. I'm not blaming coaches, players or fans. Having been at Judson, I know what is WAS like and I miss that. I miss the TRUE belief and brotherhood that developed between team mates. I hope they can find the magic..find the frenzy that takes place. Its there if they want it...they just have to throw gas on the fire!!

[eingedikid]

It's there if they want it...they just have to throw gas on the fire!!

To use the immortal words of Al Shepard waiting on the launch pad after still another hold, let's "fix [our] little problems and light this candle!" I think throwing some kerosene on some LOX in a controlled explosion will work wonders in succesffully launching the Rocket (refer to my earlier discussion of this at this thread). I love the smell of burnt kerosene in the morning. It smells like---------VICTORY!

[bullrock]

From what I've heard, if this season doesn't turn out the way Judson is used to, there won't be a second chance for Rackley or his coaches next year. Sad but true. It's not just the student body, the cheerleaders, the band, and the fans. There doesn't seem to be any confidence from the top. Let's face it, ***** runs downhill. Personally, I think the whole attitude has dissapeared and I'm not sure it wasn't done on purpose.

[jrock89]

If anyone has had their day in the sun, it has certainly been Judson. So the Rockets aren't going to get much sympathy from anyone around SA during their struggles, just as West Texas had little sympathy during the demise of MOJO.

Something appears to be terribly wrong at Judson. Two starters dismissed for disiplinary reasons, a bunch (8-12) players, including several starters, no longer on the sidelines after grades come out. These factors are the most shocking and appears to have lead to the demise of the 2005 Rockets. It will be his best coaching job ever if Rackley can pull the Rockets out of their current funk and win the last three games and make the playoffs.

If the shoe were on the other foot, there would be widespread outrage, but there are a couple of factors many people do not know about, other than the seniors who watched these guys walk away:

Madison RB Tony Green lives in the Judson District. His younger brother is tearing it up at Woodlake Hills MS (Judson ISD). With Green in the lineup, Judson wouldn't have fell off the table at the tailback position after Fox graduated, but Tony apparently was not patient enough to wait his turn in the long line of great running backs at Judson. Sure, his decision to go to Madison with his uncle's home address, meant he got more snaps as a sophomore and junior, but he should have stuck it out with his neigborhood school. I've got news for you Tony (and particularly dad and uncle who likely made this all possible): You had a legitimate chance to win state at Judson during your career, but you will not hoist the trophy at Madison.

Also, many players and others have said that DB and RB DeAndre Guy also lives in Judson attendance zone and was supposed to attend Judson. Could you imagine how much noise NE School District would have made had these situations been reversed?

Good luck against your neighbors this week Tony and DeAndre. You will probably win this Friday. The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence this year, but I hope you guys understand it will not always be that way in life. Remember that next time you decide to jump ship.

[eingedikid]

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Something appears to be terribly wrong at Judson. Two starters dismissed for disiplinary reasons, a bunch (8-12) players, including several starters, no longer on the sidelines after grades come out. These factors are the most shocking and appears to have lead to the demise of the 2005 Rockets. It will be his best coaching job ever if Rackley can pull the Rockets out of their current funk and win the last three games and make the playoffs.



If this is all true, then this Rocket mission is in full-scale abort mode. Not just an Apollo 13-style one where free-return and PC+2 burns are in order, not even a shuttle-style Once-around Abort or Transatlantic Abort, but a full-scale RTLS Return to Launch-Site shuttle abort---just about the most difficult one to pull off (and one that some computer models say is aerodynamically questionable to do). It looks like we may very well be in deep $h--t. But, as long as we actually haven't blown up or burned up yet and still actually are flying, we still have a mission and the mission, in order to be succesful, means one in which there is loss of neither vehicle or crew. Even a succesful RTLS constitues a succesful flight. Can we do it? Or are we already staring at the TV screen with the PAO telling us "flight controllers looking carefully at the situation...obviously a major malfunction" as debris falls to the ground? Or is the Flight Director about to say "lock the doors" as happened in 2003 after reports of a major aluminum shower in East Texas. I hope not.

Not for my Rockets

[bubbacoach]

If this is all true, then this Rocket mission is in full-scale abort mode. Not just an Apollo 13-style one where free-return and PC+2 burns are in order, not even a shuttle-style Once-around Abort or Transatlantic Abort, but a full-scale RTLS Return to Launch-Site shuttle abort---just about the most difficult one to pull off (and one that some computer models say is aerodynamically questionable to do). It looks like we may very well be in deep $h--t. But, as long as we actually haven't blown up or burned up yet and still actually are flying, we still have a mission and the mission, in order to be succesful, means one in which there is loss of neither vehicle or crew. Even a succesful RTLS constitues a succesful flight. Can we do it? Or are we already staring at the TV screen with the PAO telling us "flight controllers looking carefully at the situation...obviously a major malfunction" as debris falls to the ground? Or is the Flight Director about to say "lock the doors" as happened in 2003 after reports of a major aluminum shower in East Texas. I hope not.

Not for my Rockets

Does anyone know what this guy is talking about?

[eingedikid]

Does anyone know what this guy is talking about?
I take my Rockets seriously, be they Judson Rockets or Rocket rockets. Given that our mascot is the Rocket, I figure we may as well play it for all it's worth.

Translation to my previous post: I hope that hope is still alive for the Judson Rockets this season, and that we're not already toast.

[jrock89]

Hang in there eingedikid,

It's not over till the fat lady sings. The problem is, she has gargled and is currently warming up off-stage with doe-ray-me-fa-so. Maybe you should activate your trip wire next to the stage entrance. Something tells me you are smart enough to design such a thing.

[SVite]

Well guys i said it last year.One of my first impressions of Judson, at the game,especialy the 20 minutes leading up to kick off.The coaches get these kids so sky high on adrenaline,with all the cheering,running around the field in some pregame cheerleading clinic.That when they get behind,or now have losses mounting,all that rah rah stuff isnt working.It`s better to stay in the middle,not too high,and not too low.The fall from the high that they make is devastating.Judson,STOP the rah rah,and start being more like winners you are.Your expected to win,act like that before,and during the game.Get that Clint Eastwood,Tom Landry Confidence.Mount up Judson fans get behind your team like you have never done before. :cool:

[eingedikid]

...when they get behind,or now have losses mounting,all that rah rah stuff isnt working....Judson,STOP the rah rah,and start being more like winners
Which means we're going to have a little RAH RAH if we're going to pull this off. You know not what you're saying, unless you were actually there when Judson beat Bowie in 1996, or hung in there while they learned a new coaching system in 1980 or 1981, got pushed all over the field by Churchill with only 63 yards of offense deep into the 4th quarter in 1982 before we equaled this with one pass play to give us a score and the win, and a bunch of other situations, including some gallant efforts even in the face of a sealed fate against Lewisville in 1996, or Carter in 1988.

And, the Judson style true RAH RAH in the stands---even in losing efforts--- which is now largely lacking is/was(?) the sound of nuclear warfare--bar none, which probably helped turn some games around as well. :cool:
http://www.geocities.com/eingedi.geo/nuclear.html

[TexasRed6x]

From what I've heard, if this season doesn't turn out the way Judson is used to, there won't be a second chance for Rackley or his coaches next year. Sad but true. It's not just the student body, the cheerleaders, the band, and the fans. There doesn't seem to be any confidence from the top. Let's face it, ***** runs downhill. Personally, I think the whole attitude has dissapeared and I'm not sure it wasn't done on purpose.

It is probably better this way. Rackley and his staff, I feel are the biggest problems. I will always hear about the problems that they had 2 kids kicked out because of drugs, 2 kids just quit, 4 or 5 for grades, one kid can't start because his family had to pull him out of a class for a day. All these issues are happening before any of the fans can come into place. The old Judson, this would not be happening, which I can only say that this caoching staff has lost total control. The fans are still there, the talent is stil there, but something is rotten in the coaching ranks. I to thought it would be hard for Judson to stay on top, but it has go down hill very fast and that is the problem. I don't know if it is getting to far gone to bring back, but with another year (next) of the same, they are dead.

[eingedikid]

...this caoching staff has lost total control.
And that's truly scary if this has happened, which might explain why things have actually seemingly gotten worse recently, in view of what I thought was a fairly decent start, all things considered. Was this a systemic and structural situation that was actually there under the surface for a while, or is this largely due to the various coaching changes this year? Can anyone actually in the know enlighten us further on this?

[Its In The Bag]

And that's truly scary if this has happened, which might explain why things have actually seemingly gotten worse recently, in view of what I thought was a fairly decent start, all things considered. Was this a systemic and structural situation that was actually there under the surface for a while, or is this largely due to the various coaching changes this year? Can anyone actually in the know enlighten us further on this?


I don't believe that the coaching staff is THAT BAD, I know Judson has had some weird calls now and then, but a coach is in the business to coach, if he can't do his job he'd be fired already. Obviously this coach is trying to do something, and the team isnt executing...simple as that
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[eingedikid]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/scarface6590/lolgreenthing.jpg
Is this supposed to be an SLC dragon or a Reagan Rattler with centipede-scale feet????

[Its In The Bag]

maybe....
idk

[TexasRed6x]

I don't believe that the coaching staff is THAT BAD, I know Judson has had some weird calls now and then, but a coach is in the business to coach, if he can't do his job he'd be fired already. Obviously this coach is trying to do something, and the team isnt executing...simple as that
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Trust me on this they are not that good!!!!!!, they have been at this for more than 3 months now and it is getting worse week by week, have you been at any of the games as of late?

[Its In The Bag]

Trust me on this they are not that good!!!!!!, they have been at this for more than 3 months now and it is getting worse week by week, have you been at any of the games as of late?


umm yes, yes i have been to some of their games, in fact im planning to go to the recent madison game....now if Judson was like 0-4 in the distrct...then we can start talking about poor coaching. But they aren't as bad as ur making them to seem, come on guys be hopeful
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[TexasRed6x]

umm yes, yes i have been to some of their games, in fact im planning to go to the recent madison game....now if Judson was like 0-4 in the distrct...then we can start talking about poor coaching. But they aren't as bad as ur making them to seem, come on guys be hopeful
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OK I go with that only if you can tell me one thing on offense that looked "hopeful" last Friday night. I will tell you this thy will not win anymore games this year. I am also hopeful that they turn it around butit is time Rocket fan stop dreaming hear and look at what is happening period. I could come on here and tell you how good they are playing and how I feel that they will win the last 3 games, but after last FRiday I just can't and it is very hard for me to say these things it is only the thruth.

[Its In The Bag]

OK I go with that only if you can tell me one thing on offense that looked "hopeful" last Friday night. I will tell you this thy will not win anymore games this year. I am also hopeful that they turn it around butit is time Rocket fan stop dreaming hear and look at what is happening period. I could come on here and tell you how good they are playing and how I feel that they will win the last 3 games, but after last FRiday I just can't and it is very hard for me to say these things it is only the thruth.


alrite...I'll agree Judson does look doubtful for the last 3 games, but still I don't think we can blame it ALL on the coaching staff, if it was the coaching staff's fault, Judson would be at a worst record. Granted now, Judson will have to make some staff changes in the offseason....anyways just keep ya head up

[eingedikid]

Granted now, Judson will have to make some staff changes in the offseason....
Have things gotten that critical and the the situation that pitiful that the only recourse is to can some coaches?? Or is it still possible that the coaches that apparently need to be released can still put things together by the end of this season and make a strong comeback next year with the new system in place? I really hate to have see people eliminated unless the situation is truly and unquestionably beyond remediation. But, if it is, then I'll borrow from one of the beginning scenes of Big Jake:
"alright, now let's get on with the hangin'"
(Keep in mind John Wayne and his aptly-named "Dog" intervened in time in that one and saved the poor guy's neck--literally)

[DiamondJ2]

One of the things I've heard since 1999 even 2002 & last year) is "Judson needs to pass the ball more". Even in this forum, Judson fans were complaining during that aforementioned period, that eveybody knows what Judson is going to do, we need to mix it up more and pass more. Opponentds DID know what the Rockets were going to do, but the attitude of the coaches & players was: here it comes, now stop it, if you can, which they didn't very often, but usually by more talented teams. Judson had the same offensive coordinator, except for 2001 when new head coach called the plays, but turned it back over to Jeter the following year.

it's no secret that Coach Rackley wanted to pass more, so he brought in a coach who had the same philosophy of passing. As many of the Judson posters have stated, it's not the same Rocketball. You have a senior laden offensive line who has ran the same blocking schemes for 5 years. In the past it was fire out, take the defender where they wanted to go & basically, the RB would choose where to run in that hole. Remember, the tailback & fullback were lined up behind the QB and were already moving forward or to the 8 or 9 hole when they received the handoff or toss. Now, the single back is lined up next to the QB & the lineman must hold their blocks longer. Apparently, they are having difficulty in holding the blocks. It's not that the RB's are slower than the storied RB's of Judson past, the holes are closing before they get a chance to dash through the hole.

Bullrock, I sincerely don't believe this was done systematically or deliberately as you questioned in your post. And SVite, the rah, rah stuff that you denounce has allowed Judson to earn six state titles and in Judson's first 5 trips to the state finals we won 3 titles and was awarded the 4th. It's not showboating, it's called enthusiasm to play the game. And if you think SV players are so stoic, let me show you the game film of this year's Judson game and last years SV-SLC game.

Can the Rockets win the next 3 games--yes. Could they lose the next 3 games-yes because of the caliber of teams that they will be playing. Has Rocket football declined a little over the last 6 years--possibly or is it that the other SA schools are finally catching up to the Rockets? It's a little of both.

[LoneRocket]

You can throw the ball out of the I-formation. Pass maybe 20-30 percent of the time. Your right we are use to ramming it down the other team’s throat and them wearing out. We win the next three get in the playoffs, will the team start to gel in each round of the playoffs when the challenge becomes more and more difficult.

[eingedikid]

diamondj2 your dissection of the situation is greatly appreciated. I just hope that the new offensive scheme isn't something that overemphasizes passing to the detriment of our ground game. I hope it can develop into one of those that's 50-50 air-ground after the stats for the total season come out (at least maybe next year if not this year), but internally the stats show we go to the air mostly in some games, the ground mostly in others, and in others it's truly 50-50, so everyone else's D is always left guessing going into the game and also during the game---basically what made Carter so deadly in '88, but without the Algebra grade irregularities (or any others, for at matter).

[Go Buffs]

If the shoe were on the other foot, there would be widespread outrage, but there are a couple of factors many people do not know about, other than the seniors who watched these guys walk away:

Madison RB Tony Green lives in the Judson District. His younger brother is tearing it up at Woodlake Hills MS (Judson ISD). With Green in the lineup, Judson wouldn't have fell off the table at the tailback position after Fox graduated, but Tony apparently was not patient enough to wait his turn in the long line of great running backs at Judson. Sure, his decision to go to Madison with his uncle's home address, meant he got more snaps as a sophomore and junior, but he should have stuck it out with his neigborhood school. I've got news for you Tony (and particularly dad and uncle who likely made this all possible): You had a legitimate chance to win state at Judson during your career, but you will not hoist the trophy at Madison.

Also, many players and others have said that DB and RB DeAndre Guy also lives in Judson attendance zone and was supposed to attend Judson. Could you imagine how much noise NE School District would have made had these situations been reversed?

Good luck against your neighbors this week Tony and DeAndre. You will probably win this Friday. The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence this year, but I hope you guys understand it will not always be that way in life. Remember that next time you decide to jump ship.
You're right in that it would be a bigger stink if the situation were reversed. And it is weird to hear of a JISD talent mysteriously "living" and playing elsewhere. But it's even freakier to hear a Judsonite preaching to a kid about how the right thing to do is sticking in your own neighborhood school and not jumping ship. :eek:

Hmmm...where should we start the list? How about Zunker, Brothers perhaps, some kid named Jerod something or other? Anyone else care to chime in?

[bubbacoach]

None were recruited. They all came on there own free will.

[bubbacoach]

Do not count Judson Dead until the last second ticks off.

[jrock89]

You're right in that it would be a bigger stink if the situation were reversed. And it is weird to hear of a JISD talent mysteriously "living" and playing elsewhere. But it's even freakier to hear a Judsonite preaching to a kid about how the right thing to do is sticking in your own neighborhood school and not jumping ship. :eek:

Hmmm...where should we start the list? How about Zunker, Brothers perhaps, some kid named Jerod something or other? Anyone else care to chime in?


Now Buff,

You are searching for bones that don't exist. The Brothers kids live in Northhampton (same place Tony Green is seen frequenting) which is less than one mile south of Judson on FM 78 and is squarly in the middle of the attendance zone. Zunker, don't know the story there, and honestly, you're the first to even mention him because he was a good player, but not a D1 talent.

And oh yes, Jerrod Douglas, you Clemens folks can't seem to let that go, even though it was investigated for years and it was proven that there were absolutely no violations. Let me explain: Douglas' mom really struggled. She had a brother named McCollum who lived in Judson ISD who took her and her family in until she could get on her feet. Yes, she did get a secretarial job and Judson (shame on her for wanting to get a job and make a living). Then she bought a home in Kirby on the south end of Judson ISD.

So let me make this as clear as possible: Douglas lived in Judson ISD. He was supposed to go to school at Judson! The difference: Tony Green lives in Judson attendance zone, not Madison.

And while we're on the subject Buff, can you please explain why the Pinkerton boys (between them, your star running backs for about 5 years) played middle school ball at Kirby MS (Judson ISD) and went to high school at Clemens (SCUCISD)?

[LoneRocket]

I think it has to do with what I said before, when you have a program that is loaded with talent and a person wants more playing time they might jump ship to another school. The opening of Wagner should cut down on those situations.

[LoneRocket]

Now Buff,

And oh yes, Jerrod Douglas, you Clemens folks can't seem to let that go, even though it was investigated for years and it was proven that there were absolutely no violations. Let me explain: Douglas' mom really struggled. She had a brother named McCollum who lived in Judson ISD who took her and her family in until she could get on her feet. Yes, she did get a secretarial job and Judson (shame on her for wanting to get a job and make a living). Then she bought a home in Kirby on the south end of Judson ISD.

You have to do what is best for your family.

[bubbacoach]

It will probably take the other school in the Judson district a liitle while to get a talent pool built up. But, once they do, they should be a power.

[Bucky]

The coaches at Judson do not need to be fired!!!! It will take some time for them to get their new offense in place. Im not in favor of the change but nobody asked me. I think the only way the coaches will be asked to leave is if coach Rackley retires and they bring in an old rocket that is coaching somewhere else. I dont know if Rackley will retire or not but I wouldnt count on it. Can Judson win the next 3? yes they can..will they?..that all depends on how bad they want to.

To the SV guy who thinks that its a cheer leager clinic..You have no Idea. You and the rangers keep thinking your too cool to get excited and maybe you can swing by converse and take a look at what 6 State Championship trophies look like. They kind of look like the 2nd place trophy except they say CHAMPION on them and they come with the opportunity to purchase a RING. Judson has won a lot of games with their enthusiasm..It is not the same this year..and you should be greatfull. Because if it was SV would be 2-2 in district and Judson would be 4-0. Disagree if you will..thats fine... But if Judson would have not had to replace its entire coaching staff..they wouldnt be in this situation!! just my opinion :cool:

[bubbacoach]

The coaches at Judson do not need to be fired!!!! It will take some time for them to get their new offense in place. Im not in favor of the change but nobody asked me. I think the only way the coaches will be asked to leave is if coach Rackley retires and they bring in an old rocket that is coaching somewhere else. I dont know if Rackley will retire or not but I wouldnt count on it. Can Judson win the next 3? yes they can..will they?..that all depends on how bad they want to.

To the SV guy who thinks that its a cheer leager clinic..You have no Idea. You and the rangers keep thinking your too cool to get excited and maybe you can swing by converse and take a look at what 6 State Championship trophies look like. They kind of look like the 2nd place trophy except they say CHAMPION on them and they come with the opportunity to purchase a RING. Judson has won a lot of games with their enthusiasm..It is not the same this year..and you should be greatfull. Because if it was SV would be 2-2 in district and Judson would be 4-0. Disagree if you will..thats fine... But if Judson would have not had to replace its entire coaching staff..they wouldnt be in this situation!! just my opinion :cool:
I sense alittle anger, but I do agree with you that all the coaches do not need to be fired.

[JC73]

The coaches at Judson do not need to be fired!!!! It will take some time for them to get their new offense in place. Im not in favor of the change but nobody asked me. I think the only way the coaches will be asked to leave is if coach Rackley retires and they bring in an old rocket that is coaching somewhere else. I dont know if Rackley will retire or not but I wouldnt count on it. Can Judson win the next 3? yes they can..will they?..that all depends on how bad they want to.

To the SV guy who thinks that its a cheer leager clinic..You have no Idea. You and the rangers keep thinking your too cool to get excited and maybe you can swing by converse and take a look at what 6 State Championship trophies look like. They kind of look like the 2nd place trophy except they say CHAMPION on them and they come with the opportunity to purchase a RING. Judson has won a lot of games with their enthusiasm..It is not the same this year..and you should be greatfull. Because if it was SV would be 2-2 in district and Judson would be 4-0. Disagree if you will..thats fine... But if Judson would have not had to replace its entire coaching staff..they wouldnt be in this situation!! just my opinion :cool:

Simmer down. He was just making a observation. If I hear one more remark about past State championships and rings I think I'll puke. Remember that State championship trophies will gather dust just like any other trophies. Yes I know SV doesn't have one. Judson is having a down year. It's that simple. You Judson fans are very quick to count your boys out. And damn, lay off the coaches a bit. Is it all possible that Judson would be down this year with the other staff as well? Just hang in there, take a deep breath, and hope for the best. But please stop talking about past accomplishments, it's getting kind of old.

[bubbacoach]

It does get old if you don't have any!!!!!!!!!!LOL

[JC73]

It does get old if you don't have any!!!!!!!!!!LOL
I have to agree with you.

[bubbacoach]

You must remember it is a great accomplishment to win one as a player or a coach in the state of TEXAS.

[eingedikid]

Bucky, Bubba, JRock and LoneRocket, I couldn't have said it any better in the recent posts, especially since I tend to go off the deep end at times with my "NASA/space-speak."

In some ways this season does kind of remind me of 1981, when Judson likewsie was mired at 4-3 and didn't seem to have developed anything close to a consistently solid offensive game yet while OC Dennis Parker was still putting things together (DW's Defense was still a few steps ahead at that point, especially in the Churchill and Madison losses that season, in which the defense made two very good offenses look bad---the only problem being our offense was even worse in those two games). Which is another way of saying maybe all they still need now is a little time. What does concern me, however, is whether or not the newer coaches have the same true Rocket Pride attitude in coaching the intangibles that made Judson what it has/had(?) been. From what I've read at some other posts, this concerns me (for example, did someone drop the ball w/r the academic and disciplinary issues that have arisen in the past few weeks?).

[JC73]

You must remember it is a great accomplishment to win one as a player or a coach in the state of TEXAS.


I know, we have all heard it many, many times.

[bubbacoach]

I know, we have all heard it many, many times.
You will know what it takes to win one if the chance ever presents itself for you or your team. It is something to brag about after the work you put in to earn it.

[jrock89]

Hey Buff,

I still would like to know why the Pinkerton boys went to a Judson Middle School, but went to high school at Clemens? Does anyone know how that went down?

[Bucky]

I know, we have all heard it many, many times.


Judson has 6 state championship trophys. And no matter how much dust they collect they are still in the trophy case.

Now feel free to puke!! :eek: :cool:

[mad_fan]

This has degenerated into the stupidest thread; not about what it purports to be about from the title. :)

[Bucky]

Simmer down. He was just making a observation. If I hear one more remark about past State championships and rings I think I'll puke. Remember that State championship trophies will gather dust just like any other trophies. Yes I know SV doesn't have one. Judson is having a down year. It's that simple. You Judson fans are very quick to count your boys out. And damn, lay off the coaches a bit. Is it all possible that Judson would be down this year with the other staff as well? Just hang in there, take a deep breath, and hope for the best. But please stop talking about past accomplishments, it's getting kind of old.


You guys act like that was an angry post. There is no anger involved. I just dont think the Judson coaches should be fired. Im saying that it will take time for it to work..obviously..Give it time..they will be fine..they are hurting because of injuries but they will come to play friday..hopefully!!! :cool:

[bubbacoach]

You guys act like that was an angry post. There is no anger involved. I just dont think the Judson coaches should be fired. Im saying that it will take time for it to work..obviously..Give it time..they will be fine..they are hurting because of injuries but they will come to play friday..hopefully!!! :cool:

..hopefully!!! :cool:[/QUOTE]

[DiamondJ2]

There are Greens presently attending and playing at Woodlake MS

[DiamondJ2]

these posts on Judson would make excellent food for thought on the Madison bulletin board.

[mad_fan]

these posts on Judson would make excellent food for thought on the Madison bulletin board.

why so? fewer state titles? :)

[bubbacoach]

these posts on Judson would make excellent food for thought on the Madison bulletin board.
DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO THINK?

[mad_fan]

DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO THINK?


now the old budda is back...I really believe budda has a 10 years old that knows his password... :)

[Reaganrattler07]

Madison RB Tony Green lives in the Judson District. His younger brother is tearing it up at Woodlake Hills MS (Judson ISD). With Green in the lineup, Judson wouldn't have fell off the table at the tailback position after Fox graduated, but Tony apparently was not patient enough to wait his turn in the long line of great running backs at Judson. Sure, his decision to go to Madison with his uncle's home address, meant he got more snaps as a sophomore and junior, but he should have stuck it out with his neigborhood school. I've got news for you Tony (and particularly dad and uncle who likely made this all possible): You had a legitimate chance to win state at Judson during your career, but you will not hoist the trophy at Madison.

Also, many players and others have said that DB and RB DeAndre Guy also lives in Judson attendance zone and was supposed to attend Judson. Could you imagine how much noise NE School District would have made had these situations been reversed?

Good luck against your neighbors this week Tony and DeAndre. You will probably win this Friday. The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence this year, but I hope you guys understand it will not always be that way in life. Remember that next time you decide to jump ship.

Who are you to comment on the decisions of their life? If they don't wanna go to a certain school, and have the ability to go to another - let them.

[Reaganrattler07]

now the old budda is back...I really believe budda has a 10 years old that knows his password... :)

...or a hippie broke into his house to spread "love and peace"

[LoneRocket]

Who are you to comment on the decisions of their life? If they don't wanna go to a certain school, and have the ability to go to another - let them.
Unless his uncle has guardianship of him or he is paying tuition it is against the rules. Anyway it cuts both ways if someone comes into our district someone will say we broke the rules, but if it is the other way around we hear crickets, but to my knowledge we never lunch a formal complainant.

[Reaganrattler07]

Unless his Uncle has guardianship of him or he is paying tuition it is against the rules.

Then go to his house and slap some cuffs on him and don't whine about it.

[LoneRocket]

Then go to his house and slap some cuffs on him and don't whine about it.
I said it is against the rules not illegal, no one is whining, but some call it whining when we defend ourselves with facts and shed light on others.

[Go Buffs]

Now Buff,

You are searching for bones that don't exist. The Brothers kids live in Northhampton (same place Tony Green is seen frequenting) which is less than one mile south of Judson on FM 78 and is squarly in the middle of the attendance zone. Zunker, don't know the story there, and honestly, you're the first to even mention him because he was a good player, but not a D1 talent.

And oh yes, Jerrod Douglas, you Clemens folks can't seem to let that go, even though it was investigated for years and it was proven that there were absolutely no violations. Let me explain: Douglas' mom really struggled. She had a brother named McCollum who lived in Judson ISD who took her and her family in until she could get on her feet. Yes, she did get a secretarial job and Judson (shame on her for wanting to get a job and make a living). Then she bought a home in Kirby on the south end of Judson ISD.

So let me make this as clear as possible: Douglas lived in Judson ISD. He was supposed to go to school at Judson! The difference: Tony Green lives in Judson attendance zone, not Madison.

And while we're on the subject Buff, can you please explain why the Pinkerton boys (between them, your star running backs for about 5 years) played middle school ball at Kirby MS (Judson ISD) and went to high school at Clemens (SCUCISD)?
I mentioned Brothers because I was told that they were brothers of the Brothers that played for East Central.

Zunker, I was told while he was playing, by someone who knows the family that he was using a grandparent's address in JISD in order to play at Judson.

The Pinkertons I know exactly where they were living(the whole family) while they played at Clemens, in the Clemens attendance area. If they lived somewhere else before Clemens, I have no idea.

Douglas...how many times do we have to go through this? It was in the paper even. A junior high coach ended up taking the fall and getting disciplined for recruiting Douglas because St. Rutledge insisted he had absolutely no knowledge of the contact going on. Also as a result, Douglas was prohibited from playing varsity his freshman year, remember? Personally, I thought it was wrong to punish the kid for what the adults around him were doing. I certainly don't blame Douglas or his mother because it was in his best interest to go to Judson, but don't act like he wasn't recruited to some degree.

IMO, I don't think it's right for players to do what Green is supposedly doing, even if he really lives there under temporary guardianship. It may be legal, but it seems shady. A kid and his family should be able to move to an attendance area of the school they want to go to, like a Douglas, or Pinkerton as you say. But they shouldn't be enticed/encouraged to do so by school officials. That's just wrong.

Actually, I think you and I share the same views on kids playing where their families live, or families living where their kids play. It just struck me funny that someone from JISD was calling foul when Judson has long been a magnet program that good players would want to play at. IOW, common sense would dictate that more kids would want to come to Judson under those circumstances than kids would want to leave Judson under those circumstances, no?

I would imagine alot more of that goes on at alot of places than we really know. Agree?

[Reaganrattler07]

I said it is against the rules not illegal, no one is whining, but some call it whining when we defend ourselves with facts and shed light on others.

You were complaining about him going to Madison and not Judson.

[LoneRocket]

You were complaining about him going to Madison and not Judson.
I could care less where he attends school, I was just stating the rules. What I am saying is that almost every school has a student (s) who probably should be attending another school, not only just for athletics, even for academics proposes which could affect a school passing rates on tests, ADA, funding, etc. I am just stating we should look in our own closets before we go and start casting stones. I even made the same statements to Judson fans also.

[LoneRocket]

Douglas...how many times do we have to go through this? It was in the paper even. A junior high coach ended up taking the fall and getting disciplined for recruiting Douglas because St. Rutledge insisted he had absolutely no knowledge of the contact going on. Also as a result, Douglas was prohibited from playing varsity his freshman year, remember? Personally, I thought it was wrong to punish the kid for what the adults around him were doing. I certainly don't blame Douglas or his mother because it was in his best interest to go to Judson, but don't act like he wasn't recruited to some degree.

IMO, I don't think it's right for players to do what Green is supposedly doing, even if he really lives there under temporary guardianship. It may be legal, but it seems shady. A kid and his family should be able to move to an attendance area of the school they want to go to, like a Douglas, or Pinkerton as you say. But they shouldn't be enticed/encouraged to do so by school officials. That's just wrong.

Actually, I think you and I share the same views on kids playing where their families live, or families living where their kids play. It just struck me funny that someone from JISD was calling foul when Judson has long been a magnet program that good players would want to play at. IOW, common sense would dictate that more kids would want to come to Judson under those circumstances than kids would want to leave Judson under those circumstances, no?

I would imagine alot more of that goes on at alot of places than we really know. Agree?
Do not forget to mention that a Judge threw out the district committee’s ruling because of lack of evidence.

[Reaganrattler07]

I could care less where he attends school, I was just stating the rules. What I am saying is that almost every school has a student (s) who probably should be attending another school, not only just for athletics, even for academics proposes which could affect a school passing rates on tests, ADA, funding, etc. I am just stating we should look in our own closets before we go and start casting stones. I even made the same statements to Judson fans also.

Of course it goes on. But if a student who averages a 95 goes to a school that averages 70 wants to get into a top college, it doesn't help him much. Exclude the top 10% rule for the example.

[bubbacoach]

now the old budda is back...I really believe budda has a 10 years old that knows his password... :)
He is five.

[bubbacoach]

I mentioned Brothers because I was told that they were brothers of the Brothers that played for East Central.

Zunker, I was told while he was playing, by someone who knows the family that he was using a grandparent's address in JISD in order to play at Judson.

The Pinkertons I know exactly where they were living(the whole family) while they played at Clemens, in the Clemens attendance area. If they lived somewhere else before Clemens, I have no idea.

Douglas...how many times do we have to go through this? It was in the paper even. A junior high coach ended up taking the fall and getting disciplined for recruiting Douglas because St. Rutledge insisted he had absolutely no knowledge of the contact going on. Also as a result, Douglas was prohibited from playing varsity his freshman year, remember? Personally, I thought it was wrong to punish the kid for what the adults around him were doing. I certainly don't blame Douglas or his mother because it was in his best interest to go to Judson, but don't act like he wasn't recruited to some degree.

IMO, I don't think it's right for players to do what Green is supposedly doing, even if he really lives there under temporary guardianship. It may be legal, but it seems shady. A kid and his family should be able to move to an attendance area of the school they want to go to, like a Douglas, or Pinkerton as you say. But they shouldn't be enticed/encouraged to do so by school officials. That's just wrong.

Actually, I think you and I share the same views on kids playing where their families live, or families living where their kids play. It just struck me funny that someone from JISD was calling foul when Judson has long been a magnet program that good players would want to play at. IOW, common sense would dictate that more kids would want to come to Judson under those circumstances than kids would want to leave Judson under those circumstances, no?

I would imagine alot more of that goes on at alot of places than we really know. Agree?
Tony Green who is now a senior still lives in the Judson attendance zone. His little brother who is a freshman also attends Madison. And his youngest brother (the best athlete of the bunch) goes to Woodlake Middle School (JISD). The reason that the Green's choose not to go to Judson is (if my sources are right) they want to go to a school where they can have a better chance to compete at the varsity level in a multitude of sports. Is that right? Not for me to decide, but at a school the size of Judson it is hard to be a varsity competitor in more than one sport because the number of kids that specialize. For example Tony is a good football, basketball, and soccer athlete. I know he has chosen not to play soccer up to now, but that is besides the point. When is the last time you heard of a football player at Judson being a main contributor on the basketball. It has been a while. When you can go to Madison where the talent pool does not run as deep in all the sports it is easier to be a multi-sport athlete. His parents have made a choice they think is right for their boy's and I do not fault them. Is it the right thing to do? Once again, I don't know.
As for more athletes moving in than moving out, That is a question only a Judson insider can answer. Yes, we have had some pretty good transfers, but we have also lost a few. Let's name a few. Mac's sophmore MARK KYLE, left Judson because he did not want to play D-line, now a running back at Mac. EDDIE PITTS sophmore D-line at Madison, did not want play D-line, now playing D-line at Madison. ROBERT MERRILL Taft running back, came through the Judson Junior High System, D'ANDRE GUY DB/RB Madison, Played freshmen ball at Judson, now attending Madison, TONY GREEN came up through the Judson Junior High System (still lives in JISD), now a RB/DB/KICKER/UTIL. at Madison. Judson has lost their share, this is just a few that have left Judson in the last few years, and gone on to do good things at other schools. Did we cry when they left? No, we got another kid ready. Do not cry over spoiled milk, clean up the mess, and keep going!!!!

[Gridiron Gopher]

Mr. Kyle is not a bad RB either. He has to learn to hold on to the ball better (and he is working on that). He hits his running lanes quick and has speed to boot. He's not afraid to delivery a blow either which is a good thing.

[jrock89]

Tony Green who is now a senior still lives in the Judson attendance zone. His little brother who is a freshman also attends Madison. And his youngest brother (the best athlete of the bunch) goes to Woodlake Middle School (JISD). The reason that the Green's choose not to go to Judson is (if my sources are right) they want to go to a school where they can have a better chance to compete at the varsity level in a multitude of sports. Is that right? Not for me to decide, but at a school the size of Judson it is hard to be a varsity competitor in more than one sport because the number of kids that specialize. For example Tony is a good football, basketball, and soccer athlete. I know he has chosen not to play soccer up to now, but that is besides the point. When is the last time you heard of a football player at Judson being a main contributor on the basketball. It has been a while. When you can go to Madison where the talent pool does not run as deep in all the sports it is easier to be a multi-sport athlete. His parents have made a choice they think is right for their boy's and I do not fault them. Is it the right thing to do? Once again, I don't know.
As for more athletes moving in than moving out, That is a question only a Judson insider can answer. Yes, we have had some pretty good transfers, but we have also lost a few. Let's name a few. Mac's sophmore MARK KYLE, left Judson because he did not want to play D-line, now a running back at Mac. EDDIE PITTS sophmore D-line at Madison, did not want play D-line, now playing D-line at Madison. ROBERT MERRILL Taft running back, came through the Judson Junior High System, D'ANDRE GUY DB/RB Madison, Played freshmen ball at Judson, now attending Madison, TONY GREEN came up through the Judson Junior High System (still lives in JISD), now a RB/DB/KICKER/UTIL. at Madison. Judson has lost their share, this is just a few that have left Judson in the last few years, and gone on to do good things at other schools. Did we cry when they left? No, we got another kid ready. Do not cry over spoiled milk, clean up the mess, and keep going!!!!

Bubba,

The crazy part about it is Tony Green Sr. He is very active in the Judson ISD politics and community. He attends a lot of board meetings and is not afraid to voice his opinions loudly. So why Mr. Green, if you are so concerned about Judson ISD politics do you choose to send your kids to Madison?

Secondly, Tony played some basketball at Madison, but just like Gary Green, gave it up after a few years. I know nothing about the soccer thing. As far as Judson depth pool, with a kid of Green's talent, I don't think it matters where you go to school, the coaches will find some place for you to start. True, he probably would have had less carries as a running back with first Chancy Campbell and then Kyle Fox to compete with for carries. During that time he could have easily started as a DB and built his college resume in that position before he took over the running back spot.

Finally, as far as the depth pool is concerned, there may have been some truth to that in the past before this year. (again, Judson would have found a place for someone with Tony's talent). But now with the opening of Wagner, Judson is SMALLER than Madison. The depth pool is actually bigger at Madison now and it will stay that way for many years.

Bottom line for my post on this subject is this: It is a real shame that Judson does not have the players that belong to them. Their neighborhoods have the best talent anywhere in San Antonio and if they would stick together, like they did in the past, we likely wouldn't be seeing the decline of the Judson Dynasty. There is nothing wrong with Madison. Jim Streety is a fine coach and it is a solid program. But they will never win a State Championship. They do not have what it takes to get over the top, and Judson has proven that they do. If Green, Guy and the others had stayed at Judson, they very well may have been the difference makers that could have brought Judson their 7th state title last year. And this year, the main ingredient missing from Judson is a dominant running back, like the've always had in the past. Green, and Guy for that matter, would have filled that role nicely, and Judson would be barreling towards another legendary season again.

[bullrock]

With the offensive line we have now, not even Douglass could run the ball. I guess if all they had to do is run block it would be fine but this combination run/pass block has really got them on thier heals. This thing about players going to other schools is really nothing new and hasn't really had any effect on the program until the last couple of years. It is a problem when you start losing talent the caliber of Green and Merrill. That just confirms what I have been afraid of. The problem is a lot deeper rooted than simply a football team. Perhaps we are all picking on the wrong teachers. Maybe Rackely and crew have thier hands tied? I was warned when DW left that there would be major changes coming and the source must have known what they were talking about. The picture is starting to get clearer. Brother, mine eyes have seen the glory!!!

[J-Rock Football]

i know they need to do some better blocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clemensbuff]

i know they need to do some better blocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From what I saw the other night against Churchill, you hit the nail right on the head. I don't think I saw one O-Lineman get a three yard push, much less a five yard drive block all night long! In the past, Judson's O-line would drive the D-Line backwards until the whistle blew. I didn't really see problems with the blocking scemes, just the lineman not staying on blocks like they should! The O-line has got some serious work to do if they will have a chance to win the last three district games.

[J-Rock Football]

the d-line was pushing the o-line back 5 yards we played horrible