Spanking might be outlawed in Mass.

[yankee]

and people say that kids these days are the ones to blame for being so bad...:rolleyes::D

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313183,00.html

[jrock210]

I love how they say unless it was keep them or save them from danger!

[slorch]

simply amazing that a left leaning state like Taxachusetts would also want to impair parents' ability (and duty) to teach discipline to their children. shocker!

My kids are 14 and 9. neither one of them has been spanked in at least 2 years, but they think it could happen if they don't behave. That's powerful in and of itself, if used properly. BTW, we constantly hear how well behaved they are, and it had better stay that way!:D


Besides, if I didn't BTHO of them daily, they might think they had it easy or something...:rolleyes:

Not spanking your kids is right up there with not keeping score in sports. How are kids ever supposed to learn responsibility if they don't understand rewards/ consequences for their actions?

[Mhs06]

Society today has become way too soft...let the kids suck on the foot of their favorite toy, let them get disciplined properly, and stop treating kids like spoiled brats...

[chpanther]

so are we talking spanking in all ages? or just young kids

[slorch]

no, the pervs can still do it...:D

[chpanther]

call me crazy but how about we outlaw people from teaching their kids to be annoying and stupid so nobody will have to spank them,thus no need for a spanking law

[slorch]

call me crazy but how about we outlaw people from teaching their kids to be annoying and stupid so nobody will have to spank them,thus no need for a spanking law

you could always slap them upside the head like my Dad did...( maybe it worked, maybe it didn't:o:confused:)

[okt0ber]

I thought this was Illinois, I heard something about it up here. I was surprised, but now I'm not since it's Mass.

[BDB]

i will move to Mass. just to break this law.

[jtk1519]

What about the monkey?

[slorch]

what if it's consensual?

[jrock210]

so are we talking spanking in all ages? or just young kids
LMAO I thought the same thing!
What about the monkey?
Greatest Quote Ever:
"In the future we will not spank the monkey, the monkey will spank us!"

[okt0ber]

So, I saw this on the news......

If it's passed, and even the bill creator doesn't have confidence that it will, there will be no fine or jail penalty for breaking the law. Rather, the parents will receive support on alternative ways to dicipline their kids. They also said this is outlawed in 19 other countries, which I didn't know.

Everyone they interviewed on the Chicago news said it was stupid to even suggest such a law in our free country.

[Bass]

Just hit them with a sack of oranges. Doesn't leave a mark, but it teaches a lesson.

[gtowndrumma]

i wrote a paper on this over the summer where i got absolutely flamed from my liberal teacher. it was a definition paper on abuse and i argued how disciplining a child could lead to abuse and it was a very fine line, but spanking is still a necessity in todays society... up till that paper i think i averaged like a 95 on everything i wrote and then when i got it back all it said was you are wrong 75 :mad:

[BDB]

Just hit them with a sack of oranges. Doesn't leave a mark, but it teaches a lesson.


but a belt/sandel leaves a mark of rememberence.

[stevefoxsc]

aint nothing a good *** whooping can't fix.

[jtk1519]

I just spanked a monkey in defiance of such laws.

[lonny23]

simply amazing that a left leaning state like Taxachusetts would also want to impair parents' ability (and duty) to teach discipline to their children. shocker!

My kids are 14 and 9. neither one of them has been spanked in at least 2 years, but they think it could happen if they don't behave. That's powerful in and of itself, if used properly. BTW, we constantly hear how well behaved they are, and it had better stay that way!:D


Besides, if I didn't BTHO of them daily, they might think they had it easy or something...:rolleyes:

Not spanking your kids is right up there with not keeping score in sports. How are kids ever supposed to learn responsibility if they don't understand rewards/ consequences for their actions?Yeah, that's where I'm at, too. I don't have to beat my kids, but that's because I did in the past and deterrence has set in.

[stevefoxsc]

I just spanked a monkey in defiance of such laws.

you need an *** whipping !

[slorch]

i wrote a paper on this over the summer where i got absolutely flamed from my liberal teacher. it was a definition paper on abuse and i argued how disciplining a child could lead to abuse and it was a very fine line, but spanking is still a necessity in todays society... up till that paper i think i averaged like a 95 on everything i wrote and then when i got it back all it said was you are wrong 75 :mad:

don't you know, we should be handing out birth control, not discipline...:rolleyes:

[HebronHawk]

Gays are certainly in favor in Mass though. They have a U.S. Representative named Barney Frank who is always pushing gays into polite society.

[LUFPAN]

I've got three kids. Any liberal who thinks they can control my three without ever spanking them is welcome to try. My kids would eat them alive within two days.

At this point this is only an amendmant being brought to the floor its not yet an actual law. I suspect that it will die in committee before being brought to an actual vote. No politician is going to be willing to risk his/her job over telling parents how to raise their children.

[pied]

Interesting topic. Certainly no one will ever agree 100% on the rearing of children. Several points about this subject have always interested me.

*It appears that people in favor of spanking think their generation was the last to be raised correctly(spanked/etc.). It does not matter if you are 50 or 30 or just in college, most seem to think their parents got it right, but the kids these days.....
*I wonder how you make the cut off as the appropriate age to spank. Many have said(not on this thread) that it is when kids can reason. To me that appears to be a slippery slope. I can't reconcile that if it is good for a 2 year old, why not a 5 year old, then why not a 10 year old, then a 13 year old. If it is effective, than why not when you are 55 years old.

Question would be, how/why do you mkae the cut off?
*Someone made the statement, Any liberal who thinks they can control my three without ever spanking them is welcome to try. My kids would eat them alive within two days.

As my wife asks me constantly, "How is that working for you". Not knowing anything addtitional than what was typed, the statement appears to be textbook.

The discipline measure being used, is not getting the desired result orit would not be necessary to repeat so frequently.

Curious to see your thoughts.

[dada]

My mom kicked my A@@.....growing up......and I appreciate every beating. Operation Wussyfication still taking effect.

[KT2000]

My mom kicked my A@@.....growing up......and I appreciate every beating. Operation Wussyfication still taking effect.

We still have our celebratory chest bumps after TDs. Let's bring it this week!

[dada]

We still have our celebratory chest bumps after TDs. Let's bring it this week!

DONE DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[slorch]

Interesting topic. Certainly no one will ever agree 100% on the rearing of children. Several points about this subject have always interested me.

*It appears that people in favor of spanking think their generation was the last to be raised correctly(spanked/etc.). It does not matter if you are 50 or 30 or just in college, most seem to think their parents got it right, but the kids these days.....
*I wonder how you make the cut off as the appropriate age to spank. Many have said(not on this thread) that it is when kids can reason. To me that appears to be a slippery slope. I can't reconcile that if it is good for a 2 year old, why not a 5 year old, then why not a 10 year old, then a 13 year old. If it is effective, than why not when you are 55 years old.

Question would be, how/why do you mkae the cut off?
*Someone made the statement, Any liberal who thinks they can control my three without ever spanking them is welcome to try. My kids would eat them alive within two days.

As my wife asks me constantly, "How is that working for you". Not knowing anything addtitional than what was typed, the statement appears to be textbook.

The discipline measure being used, is not getting the desired result orit would not be necessary to repeat so frequently.

Curious to see your thoughts.

i spank my boys, but as i said, it has been at least 2 years since either of them has had one. but they think it could happen in the next 15 minutes if they don't behave.

if they disrespect their Mom, I'll end their life right there... or maybe they'll just wish they're dead...:eek::D

[HUM398]

2 states i could do without...

California and Mass....

[slorch]

State of confusion
State of dilirium

[99cujo]

Ok if I don't spank my boy and let him run wild I can name a few things that might happen. The system will do it for me (Pen 0r jail) get shot or killed. Or maybe break into the house of the person that might help pass the law and **** his wife ........beat the mess out of him & steal everything from them. Then they will say It is my fault for not spanking him. Tag that butt......

[pied]

i spank my boys, but as i said, it has been at least 2 years since either of them has had one. but they think it could happen in the next 15 minutes if they don't behave.

if they disrespect their Mom, I'll end their life right there... or maybe they'll just wish they're dead...:eek::D

So I assume they have not misbehaved as badly as they had prior to two years ago?

Curious to see the age cutoff and if the older kids get. You would appear to have an interesting scenario. The oldest we would presume was spanked as old as 12, and the youngest not since he was 7. Don't know for certain, only go by what you have posted.

Is the younger one the more well behaved kid?

[slorch]

Ok if I don't spank my boy and let him run wild I can name a few things that might happen. The system will do it for me (Pen 0r jail) get shot or killed. Or maybe break into the house of the person that might help pass the law and **** his wife ........beat the mess out of him & steal everything from them. Then they will say It is my fault for not spanking him. Tag that butt......

you got it all wrong, Boudreaux...

reason with your 4 year old...(s)he'll understand:rolleyes:

only a heathen would ever spank a child...because they might do this:cry

the pansies asking for this law make me want to do this:puke

most of their kids make me do this when they won't listen in public:mad:

Love your child and teach them responsibility/ consequences and they'll do this:D

[GoOwls]

My mom died in 1995 and my dad in 1997, and I still think twice when I consider doing something wrong or illegal....the fear that I will shame or embarrass my parents still affects my actions....and helps keep my rudder in the water.

My parents were fantastic...they taught me the meaning of truth, honor, and respect....my fear of letting them down and shaming them helps control my actions...always has.....always will, because now that they are dead, they really can see what I do....I can't hide my actions anymore.

Todays kids don't get that type of teaching because the distractions are too prevalent and the parents are too distracted or just don't care...and it shows.

[TEXREB]

My mom kicked my A@@.....growing up......and I appreciate every beating. Operation Wussyfication still taking effect.

I agree the Wussyfication of America continues, when will it end!!!!!

[slorch]

So I assume they have not misbehaved as badly as they had prior to two years ago?

Curious to see the age cutoff and if the older kids get. You would appear to have an interesting scenario. The oldest we would presume was spanked as old as 12, and the youngest not since he was 7. Don't know for certain, only go by what you have posted.

Is the younger one the more well behaved kid?

typically yes.

The older one is more sneaky. the worst spanking I ever gave him was for lying to his teacher, and then lying to his Mom about it.

He got it twice.

[Bobcat81]

To me, spanking is an essential tool to curve bad behavior. Sometimes a little pain in the right place serves a more lasting reminder when standard reasoning, or a stern voice, no longer cuts the mustard.

Some of the most well behaved kids can probably attribute their good behavior to the sting of a belt or paddle somewhere in their past.

[Bobcat81]

typically yes.

The older one is more sneaky. the worst spanking I ever gave him was for lying to his teacher, and then lying to his Mom about it.

He got it twice.

Haha..


Richard Pryor on "The way kids lie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4S4WMqT3LM&feature=related

[slorch]

Haha..


Richard Pryor on "The way kids lie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4S4WMqT3LM&feature=related

that has to be the cleanest richard pryor clip I have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[CCDawg]

As long as the Knicks continue to play the Celtics in Boston there will be spanking in Massachusetts. 104-59. :D

Back to the real discussion.

[jrock210]

As long as the Knicks continue to play the Celtics in Boston there will be spanking in Massachusetts. 104-59. :D

Back to the real discussion.

haha we saw this and Garnett only had 8 points :eek:

[CCDawg]

haha we saw this and Garnett only had 8 points :eek:

Yeah the Knicks looked really, really bad tonight. The Celtics could've stopped scoring 2 minutes into the 3rd quarter and still won 60-59. That's a spanking if I ever saw one. :D

[jrock210]

Yeah the Knicks looked really, really bad tonight. The Celtics could've stopped scoring 2 minutes into the 3rd quarter and still won 60-59. That's a spanking if I ever saw one. :D

haha I love the fan throwing his Knicks jersey onto the court after the game. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen a fat guy do!

[pied]

To me, spanking is an essential tool to curve bad behavior. Sometimes a little pain in the right place serves a more lasting reminder when standard reasoning, or a stern voice, no longer cuts the mustard.

Some of the most well behaved kids can probably attribute their good behavior to the sting of a belt or paddle somewhere in their past.

At what age does that cease being true? Why do we incorporate this as part of our penal code as some countries do?

[slorch]

At what age does that cease being true? Why do we incorporate this as part of our penal code as some countries do?

My experience is that spankings end when the child demonstrates the ability to correct their actions through reasoning. Just as there is no set age for physical maturity, the same goes for behavioral maturity.

you have hinted around with a couple of questions, and I'll go ahead and get it out in the open. i don't spank because I'm bigger than my child, to prove dominance, or to intimidate. Spanking is simply one way to correct their behavior. Positive reinforcement works well in some cases as well. this example may seem kind of funny, but letting our oldest wear real underwear instead of diapers made his potty training a breeze.

I think people are quick to believe that folks that spank their children don't care about teaching the lesson, but just enforcing rules. At least in our house, nothing could be farther from the truth. I can be a hardazzed disciplinarian without ever touching my child, to the point of abuse. I can love him dearly when spanking him to teach him that there are dire consequences for playing with matches, for example.

Back to the physical part. My mom is 5'5" and I was 6'0 even as a junior in high school. I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt. evidently, she thought it was important to change my behavior so I wouldn't be disrespectful towards others than whether I was too big to spank. It had nothing to do with physical abuse, but correcting my behavior through making me understand how unnacceptable it was. we laugh about it now. I will tell you, I never wondered if my mom loved me.

[Bobcat81]

At what age does that cease being true? Why do we incorporate this as part of our penal code as some countries do?

I would think the "cutt off" point would vary with environment, and the level temptation brought on by other influences. (I.E. who the specific child is close friends with). It varies with most kids. The last time i ever got the sting on my rear (at home) was around the age of 11. I tended to push the envelope now and them with the friends that i had. They weren't necessarily bad kids, we were more curious & creative than anything, and often times a little too curious.

At school however, things were a bit different. 8th grade was my last bout with a principles paddle on my rear. That was up until my senior year when a few of us football players found our way into the home-economics class one day and ate all the nicely prepared food those girls had cooked (Yummm) for their semester finals. I guess you could say those were the only grades i ever (ate) and paid for out of my rear end on the same day.

As far as the penal code though, every parent has the right to discipline their child as long as the physical punishment doesn't go overboard. No punching, or contact around the head, etc. but lawmakes fail to understand that paddling and using a belt IS going to cause some temporary contact marks. There's just no way around that if you're trying to administer something worth remembering. The differences of opinion at that point vary and seems to be where the gray area lies between criminal abuse, and what's cosidered normal punishment. If the marks are there two to three days later, then i'd say someone got more than what the law allows.

[pied]

you have hinted around with a couple of questions, and I'll go ahead and get it out in the open. i don't spank because I'm bigger than my child, to prove dominance, or to intimidate.

I would never assume so. I understand every parent is trying to good by their kid. It is simply a question that is very interesting to me. I assume, unless presented with information to the contrary(like from CPS or something), that parents use spanking in the manner you describe.

Here's where I am most interested. You made this statement:


My experience is that spankings end when the child demonstrates the ability to correct their actions through reasoning. Just as there is no set age for physical maturity, the same goes for behavioral maturity.

This seems to be a pretty common theme. Interstingly, you followed it up with this example.

My mom is 5'5" and I was 6'0 even as a junior in high school. I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt. evidently, she thought it was important to change my behavior so I wouldn't be disrespectful towards others than whether I was too big to spank. It had nothing to do with physical abuse, but correcting my behavior through making me understand how unnacceptable it was. we laugh about it now. I will tell you, I never wondered if my mom loved me.

So using you logic above, as a junior in High School you were unable in your mother's eyes to correct your actions through reasoning.

[pied]

As far as the penal code though, every parent has the right to discipline their child as long as the physical punishment doesn't go overboard. No punching, or contact around the head, etc. but lawmakes fail to understand that paddling and using a belt IS going to cause some temporary contact marks. There's just no way around that if you're trying to administer something worth remembering. The differences of opinion at that point vary and seems to be where the gray area lies between criminal abuse, and what's cosidered normal punishment. If the marks are there two to three days later, then i'd say someone got more than what the law allows.


I may not have been clear. When I was speakin if penal code, I was inferring that the government use corporal punishment in addition/instead of jail time. You see this still in use in several other countries, lashes etc.

[SV61]

My experience is that spankings end when the child demonstrates the ability to correct their actions through reasoning. Just as there is no set age for physical maturity, the same goes for behavioral maturity.

you have hinted around with a couple of questions, and I'll go ahead and get it out in the open. i don't spank because I'm bigger than my child, to prove dominance, or to intimidate. Spanking is simply one way to correct their behavior. Positive reinforcement works well in some cases as well. this example may seem kind of funny, but letting our oldest wear real underwear instead of diapers made his potty training a breeze.

I think people are quick to believe that folks that spank their children don't care about teaching the lesson, but just enforcing rules. At least in our house, nothing could be farther from the truth. I can be a hardazzed disciplinarian without ever touching my child, to the point of abuse. I can love him dearly when spanking him to teach him that there are dire consequences for playing with matches, for example.

Back to the physical part. My mom is 5'5" and I was 6'0 even as a junior in high school. I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt. evidently, she thought it was important to change my behavior so I wouldn't be disrespectful towards others than whether I was too big to spank. It had nothing to do with physical abuse, but correcting my behavior through making me understand how unnacceptable it was. we laugh about it now. I will tell you, I never wondered if my mom loved me.

My Grandmother is about 5'0" tall. My Father is about 5'5" tall. Just like in school, if I did ANYTHING wrong while at my grandmother's house, heaven help me when my father got there.

While the principal REASON for spanking is to better understand a negative action receives a negative response, I DID also learn intimidation. AND THAT is okay. Of course I believe in Positive affirmation as well, but, without negative affirmation, how does one know what positive affirmation is?

Yin and Yang.

Also, a piece of candy or cake or video game (something material) does not positve reinforcement make (like my wife thinks :mad: ). Just like there is nothing material about spanking, genuine happiness, pride, excitement for doing something correctly (to me) teaches a child so much better!

Let me also say this. I have NOT spanked my son nearly as much as I was spanked. I am not calling my Father an abusive person either. He wasn't.

As for the age cutoff for spankings, I think it depends on the child. Like I remind my son before a spanking, I ain't doing this for my health. I am doing it for the child's health. it is a choice the child made. The child has a choice. The rules were laid out long ago.

I have not had to spank my son in over three years (he is 12 now). All I have to do, is threathen, and it is amazing how well he becomes. Just the suggestion, and he suddenly realizes how bad a situation has become, feels bad about the situation, and works to make it better. He is growing into a fine young man.

Now, if I can just get him to like something other than video games, motorcycles, and basketball!

[slorch]

I would never assume so. I understand every parent is trying to good by their kid. It is simply a question that is very interesting to me. I assume, unless presented with information to the contrary(like from CPS or something), that parents use spanking in the manner you describe.

Here's where I am most interested. You made this statement:




This seems to be a pretty common theme. Interstingly, you followed it up with this example.



So using you logic above, as a junior in High School you were unable in your mother's eyes to correct your actions through reasoning.

At that point, absolutely. What I did was unreasonable, and I needed to know it was absolutely unnacceptable. Yes, my reasoning was impaired. She amped it up a bit for me.:eek::D

Keep in mind my other scenario. Spanking isn't the only tool in disciplining a child, no more than a screwriver is what one would use to drive nails. It is but one tool. if you used that screwdriver for every task, my guess is, you'd have some pretty shoddy work around the homestead. spanking for everything gives the same result.

[gtowndrumma]

i dont know if you remember your teenage years, but its very easy to be stubborn and think that since youve "grown up" you get to do what you want. This is the only case that i have ever accepted seeing a dad get in a fist fight with his kid. I know i was a very ignorant yout for a while and thought that since my dad was old he couldnt disciplin me.... lost that fight and never questioned his authority again lol

[slorch]

I may not have been clear. When I was speakin if penal code, I was inferring that the government use corporal punishment in addition/instead of jail time. You see this still in use in several other countries, lashes etc.

i would agree with it, and in my opinion, there is no true deturrant to crime in our country. that is why it exists at such a high level. Public punishment would suit me just fine. it's better than lowlifes getting" 3 hots and a cot" on my dime and calling it a prison...:mad:

[slorch]

i dont know if you remember your teenage years, but its very easy to be stubborn and think that since youve "grown up" you get to do what you want. This is the only case that i have ever accepted seeing a dad get in a fist fight with his kid. I know i was a very ignorant yout for a while and thought that since my dad was old he couldnt disciplin me.... lost that fight and never questioned his authority again lol

My best friend did the same with his dad when we were about 20. his dad decked him and knocked him on the ground. he reached down and helped him up and reminded him, " I'll always be here to let you know what right and wrong is. That job will never be over."

To this day, they are extremely close, but he just felt froggy that day and wanted to check his boundaries. we love to talk about that day and when my mom wore me out with the belt. Usually involves beer when those talks happen...:D

[Bobcat81]

My experience is that spankings end when the child demonstrates the ability to correct their actions through reasoning. Just as there is no set age for physical maturity, the same goes for behavioral maturity.

you have hinted around with a couple of questions, and I'll go ahead and get it out in the open. i don't spank because I'm bigger than my child, to prove dominance, or to intimidate. Spanking is simply one way to correct their behavior. Positive reinforcement works well in some cases as well. this example may seem kind of funny, but letting our oldest wear real underwear instead of diapers made his potty training a breeze.

I think people are quick to believe that folks that spank their children don't care about teaching the lesson, but just enforcing rules. At least in our house, nothing could be farther from the truth. I can be a hardazzed disciplinarian without ever touching my child, to the point of abuse. I can love him dearly when spanking him to teach him that there are dire consequences for playing with matches, for example.

Back to the physical part. My mom is 5'5" and I was 6'0 even as a junior in high school. I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt. evidently, she thought it was important to change my behavior so I wouldn't be disrespectful towards others than whether I was too big to spank. It had nothing to do with physical abuse, but correcting my behavior through making me understand how unnacceptable it was. we laugh about it now. I will tell you, I never wondered if my mom loved me.

Absolutely.

With the exception of a few knuckleheaded parents, most parents have an undying love for their kids. That old saying, "this is going to hurt me twice as much as it will you" is nothing more than an extended showing of that love brought out by the desire to make sure their kids grow up knowing right from wrong. The punishment i got as a child made me a better person today. I believe that.

Same thing goes for pets. I love my dog to death.. like i would a son or daughter. It bothered me to have to send him to his kennel and make him stay there while he whines and begs to be let out. Hurts in the heart, but i know (and so does he) that it was for a good reason. Bad behavior that he has since learned not to do. Becasue of that discipline, we're both living life a little easier.

[gtowndrumma]

i was only 16 and very foolish. i got one shot in before he clocked my *** and i was done... then after a couple of tylonol and about an hour later he came in and told me that if i wanted to learn how to pop someone like that he can teach me... made me a better person and has indeffinately improved our relationship

[slorch]

i was only 16 and very foolish. i got one shot in before he clocked my *** and i was done... then after a couple of tylonol and about an hour later he came in and told me that if i wanted to learn how to pop someone like that he can teach me... made me a better person and has indeffinately improved our relationship

now that is love.:notworthy

[Bobcat81]

I may not have been clear. When I was speakin if penal code, I was inferring that the government use corporal punishment in addition/instead of jail time. You see this still in use in several other countries, lashes etc.

I'm all for the idea. It's been almost 15 or 20 years now (i think), but the American kid over in indonesia (?) that got flogged for his part in an auto theft was totally called for in my opinion. I think if people were forced to observe the consequences of bad behavior first hand, then we'd most definately see a downward trend in crime.

[gtowndrumma]

yea, i guess thats just one of the benifits of having a dad that was rasied "back in the day" lol... hes always got a damn good leason to teach you. wether its how to have an effective bb gun fight and the importance of not using pellets (his brother still has the pelet loged in his leg) or how to throw an effective punch, you know he'll always be there when you need him

[pied]

Thanks for the replies, very interesting to me. It makes sense to me that someone that was in favor of spanking, would be in favor of corporal punishment by the govt. in the form of lashes/caning/etc. for adults as well.

I do find it odd how many feel almost a badge of honor that their parents beat the crap out of them as teenagers.


*i was only 16 and very foolish. i got one shot in before he clocked my *** and i was done...
*My mom is 5'5" and I was 6'0 even as a junior in high school. I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt

[gtowndrumma]

please tell me anywhere that i said i was proud that i was a complete jackass and disobeyed my father? i threw the first punch and he put me in my place. i am very proud of the lessons i have learned from him, but in no way am i proud of what i did

the fact that you disagree with some peoples views on the subject doesnt give you the right to throw words in their mouth to try and prove your point

[pied]

please tell me anywhere that i said i was proud that i was a complete jackass and disobeyed my father? i threw the first punch and he put me in my place. i am very proud of the lessons i have learned from him, but in no way am i proud of what i did

the fact that you disagree with some peoples views on the subject doesnt give you the right to throw words in their mouth to try and prove your point

Not trying to put words in your mouth to prove my point. In fact I am not trying to prove a point. I am simply trying to understand people's views.

In fact I never stated that you were proud of being acomplete jackass, what I sadi was that several posters feel almost a badge of honor that their parents beat the crap out of them as teenagers.

I think there is a very distinct difference, and if you do not see that I apologize. Here are the specific quotes I am referring to:

we laugh about it now.

This is the only case that i have ever accepted seeing a dad get in a fist fight with his kid. I know i was a very ignorant yout for a while and thought that since my dad was old he couldnt disciplin me.... lost that fight and never questioned his authority again lol

we love to talk about that day and when my mom wore me out with the belt. Usually involves beer when those talks happen...

i got one shot in before he clocked my *** and i was done... then after a couple of tylonol and about an hour later he came in and told me that if i wanted to learn how to pop someone like that he can teach me... made me a better person and has indeffinately improved our relationship


hes always got a damn good leason to teach you. wether its how to have an effective bb gun fight and the importance of not using pellets (his brother still has the pelet loged in his leg) or how to throw an effective punch, you know he'll always be there when you need him

[pied]

I have a story like that as well.

I was 13 or so and went to Six Flags to meet a girl and go to the Beach Boys concert. Miscommunication, I thought I was to call my mom when I needed to be picked up she expected a call when I got there. Mind you this is WAY before cell phones.

FF to after the concert. I start to call her and no answer(no answering machine either). I go to the front of the park to meet her and can't find her. I finally run into some of my older sister's friends, an unsavory bunch. One of them gives me a ride home when they are ready to go.

It's after midnight and my mom is beyond pissed. She meets me at the end of the drive way throwing punches. At this age I am bigger than her now. It becomes a little struggle, her hitting me, and me holding her hands so she can't do any damage.

She is uber mad and tells me I am lying about calling her. I explain I had been, but was doing so while she was driving around looking for me.

The funny thing now is that this couldn't happen w/cell phones/ans machines/caller ID etc.

[slorch]

Thanks for the replies, very interesting to me. It makes sense to me that someone that was in favor of spanking, would be in favor of corporal punishment by the govt. in the form of lashes/caning/etc. for adults as well.

I do find it odd how many feel almost a badge of honor that their parents beat the crap out of them as teenagers.


*i was only 16 and very foolish. i got one shot in before he clocked my *** and i was done...
*My mom is 5'5" and I was 6'0 even as a junior in high school. I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt

Why do you find it unusual? i also reiterated that I never doubted her love for me. In retrospect, I damn sure had something coming for talking back to her, plus now, I am respected( and constantly observed) by two young boys that are learning from their father how to treat women, and people in general. she also didn't beat the crap out of me. a Spanking is different. i WAS NEVER INJURED BY HER ACTION, that is a key.

[pied]

Why do I find it unusal?

There have been many things in my past that I am proud of and many that I am not. I told a similar story from my past. It's just not something I love to talk about, usually over a couple of beers to use your words.



she also didn't beat the crap out of me.

Perhaps I misuderstood when you said:

I smarted off or something like that to her, and she tore into me like a banshee with a belt.

Sorry for the confusion.

[slorch]

Why do I find it unusal?

There have been many things in my past that I am proud of and many that I am not. I told a similar story from my past. It's just not something I love to talk about, usually over a couple of beers to use your words.





Perhaps I misuderstood when you said:



Sorry for the confusion.

she was more like wes Welker than Earl Campbell, if that makes sense...:D

[pied]

she was more like wes Welker than Earl Campbell, if that makes sense...:D

UNderstand completely.

If Earl were to spank me, I would tell everyone!

[slorch]

UNderstand completely.

If Earl were to spank me, I would tell everyone!

that could be taken a couple different ways...:rolleyes:

[pied]

Society today has become way too soft...let the kids suck on the foot of their favorite toy, let them get disciplined properly, and stop treating kids like spoiled brats...

Thought this was kind of funny. Caught the last part of Tom Brokaw's show, 1968. Very interesting show by the way.

The part I saw was commenting about the riots at the '68 Democratic Convention, the election and aftermath. They talked about how this(the kids in '68) generation were entitled and were the Dr. Spock kids that had no discipline.

Seems like people have been saying this for some time now....