playoffs using power points

[bulldog]

I know you can't use the Louisiana System for the whole state, but if you used it to determine each region, this is how Region III would have come out this year.
I think I like this way better. It keeps it new every year and it can keep some of the better matchups for later in the playoffs, instead of week one or 2. I also could not think of a fair way to make it 2 divisions, unless you take all the teams that made it and took the top 16 enrollments as division 1.


(1) Northshore 10-0
(32) Chavez 6-4

(16) Stratford 7-3
(17) Houston Memorial 6-4

(8) Lamar 9-1
(25) Marshall 6-4

(9) West Brook 9-1
(24) Kempner 6-4

(4) Brazoswood 8-1
(29) Cinco Ranch 5-5

(13) Humble 8-2
(20) Cy Fair 6-4

(5) Cy Ridge 9-1
(28) Ball 5-5

(12) Deer Park 8-2
(21) Langham Creek 6-4

(3) Katy 10-0
(30) Nimitz 6-4

(14) Pasadena Memorial 7-2
(19) Madison 6-4

(6) Clements 10-0
(27) Clear Lake 6-4

(11) Eisenhower 7-3
(22) Mayde Creek 6-4

(7) Cy Falls 8-2
(26) Clear Creek 5-5

(10) Strake Jesuit 8-2
(23) Westside 5-5

(15) Hightower 7-3
(18) Hastings 6-4

(2) Pearland 9-1
(31) South Houston 6-4


Rankings 33-66

ALDINE 4 6 3272 101 10.1 DISTRICT 19 5-A
BELLAIRE 4 6 3373 99 9.9 DISTRICT 20 5-A
LAPORTE 4 6 2350 93 9.3 DISTRICT 22 5-A
ELSIK 4 6 4154 93 9.3 DISTRICT 18 5-A
KATY TAYLOR 4 6 2801 93 9.3 DISTRICT 18 5-A
BAYTOWN LEE 5 5 2545 92 9.2 DISTRICT 21 5-A
PA MEMORIAL 4 6 2410 92 9.2 DISTRICT 21 5-A
CHANNELVIEW 4 6 2104 91 9.1 DISTRICT 21 5-A
MACARTHUR 4 6 3255 88 8.8 DISTRICT 19 5-A
WESTBURY 4 6 2585 87 8.7 DISTRICT 20 5-A
BROOK 3 7 2815 86 8.6 DISTRICT 24 5-A
AUSTIN 4 6 2783 86 8.6 DISTRICT 23 5-A
ELKINS 4 6 2058 86 8.6 DISTRICT 23 5-A
KINGWOOD 3 7 3206 84 8.4 DISTRICT 21 5-A
JERSEY VILLAGE 2 8 3058 82 8.2 DISTRICT 17 5-A
CY CREEK 2 8 2794 82 8.2 DISTRICT 17 5-A
NORTHBROOK 3 6 2187 73 8.111111111 DISTRICT 19 5-A
ALIEF TAYLOR 3 7 2589 80 8 DISTRICT 18 5-A
DOBIE 2 8 2725 79 7.9 DISTRICT 22 5-A
PASADENA 3 7 2560 77 7.7 DISTRICT 22 5-A
CY SPRINGS 2 8 3951 76 7.6 DISTRICT 17 5-A
ATASCOCITA 3 7 2567 73 7.3 DISTRICT 21 5-A
BUSH 2 8 2484 71 7.1 DISTRICT 23 5-A
RAYBURN 2 8 2158 68 6.8 DISTRICT 22 5-A
DULLES 2 8 2450 67 6.7 DISTRICT 23 5-A
WILLOWRIDGE 1 9 1669 67 6.7 DISTRICT 23 5-A
MORTON RANCH 1 9 2476 65 6.5 DISTRICT 18 5-A
ALVIN 0 10 2589 63 6.3 DISTRICT 24 5-A
STERLING 1 9 2781 63 6.3 DISTRICT 21 5-A
MILBY 2 8 2193 63 6.3 DISTRICT 20 5-A
SPRING WOODS 1 9 2264 57 5.7 DISTRICT 19 5-A
SAM HOUSTON 0 10 2657 47 4.7 DISTRICT 20 5-A

[slorch]

Interesting, but pretty hard to do when we have REGIONS alone that are as big as Loseranna.

[jp744]

It sucks when your team looses in the play-offs. It makes you put up useless post like this. Dude your searching to hard. Relax man I know it is hard when your team is out. Don't change the play-offs though! This is not the BCS!

[bulldog]

Interesting, but pretty hard to do when we have REGIONS alone that are as big as Loseranna.

That is why I said you could do it in each region and treat each region as it's own state.

And watch who's family you insult by the mis-spelling of the Bayou State

[slorch]

That is why I said you could do it in each region and treat each region as it's own state.

And watch who's family you insult by the mis-spelling of the Bayou State

I lived there for one year. That alone, gives me the right to call it what I want.

as for your family, I wish them the best, and I was rooting for LSU this weekend. Does that get me off the hook?:D

[slorch]

with the watering down of the seedings, because of having two divisions in 5A, I could go for this premise, after further review. It would make as much sense as any.

I do like the current system for one reason, in that, it is totally objective. I think one glimpse at the BCS mess gives us reason enough not to interject rankings of any kind into our Texas playoff seedings.

[twcpfan1]

Not a bad idea. Although I noticed you ranked Katy behind NS and Pearland. So you could have some disputes, but all in all, a seeding system like they have in tennis and the one you have, seems a much more equitable way to determine 1st round matchups. It does give more importance to where you finish in district.

Unfortunately, it still does not solve the issue of some regions being much stronger than others. That cannot be avoided. They can however still play an extra week to determine one state champ.

[bulldog]

It sucks when your team looses in the play-offs. It makes you put up useless post like this. Dude your searching to hard. Relax man I know it is hard when your team is out. Don't change the play-offs though! This is not the BCS!

Actually I am pretty relaxed, but thank you for being concerned with my well being.

And you don't know if my team is out or not. Just because I live somewhere, does not mean I hold allegiance there.

And Boards like this are for debate and commentary, nowhere on this board does it say PLAYOFF TALK ONLY, ONLY TEAMS THAT ARE LEFT MAY BE DISCUSSED! So you sir relax, and let anyone else who has the intelligence to ADD anything to this debate feel free to do so. No one made you read this thread, so if it does not interest you, please feel free to keep reading other threads without posting on this one.

[bulldog]

Not a bad idea. Although I noticed you ranked Katy behind NS and Pearland. So you could have some disputes, but all in all, a seeding system like they have in tennis and the one you have, seems a much more equitable way to determine 1st round matchups. It does give more importance to where you finish in district.

Unfortunately, it still does not solve the issue of some regions being much stronger than others. That cannot be avoided. They can however still play an extra week to determine one state champ.

One more week is what I would like to see and get a true state champ.

[bulldog]

with the watering down of the seedings, because of having two divisions in 5A, I could go for this premise, after further review. It would make as much sense as any.

I do like the current system for one reason, in that, it is totally objective. I think one glimpse at the BCS mess gives us reason enough not to interject rankings of any kind into our Texas playoff seedings.


This is objective. There are no human opinions put into this process. It is based on how many you win and how good the teams are that you played.

My problem with the Texas playoff system is that it is stale. District 23 5A always is playing District 24 5A. There were times before the 4th team was added, that it was Pearland and Northshore round 1 no matter what. Whether Pearland was district champ or third place, Northshore was INKED in that spot when the first week of district started.

Also the state champ in division 2 had a higher enrollment than the state champion in division 1. Now that is weird considering that the playoffs are stuctured based on enrollment.

So no system is perfect, I'm just adding another option to the table.

[jp744]

As you said I am free to express my opinion and I will. I think that this is a pipe dream and it is the ignorance of people like you that chase ghost with a thread on how to insure that the play-off get good match ups early. The play-offs are meant for the best team to survive and get to the next round. The good ones will. Who cares how it is formated and I don't need power point ranking system to tell me who is the best team. The best teams play and keep playing. You must be a Hurricane victim that moved here and have no understanding of the UIL play-off system. Best teams move on in case you were wondering and yours didn't. But anyone can win a game on any given night. That is the beauty of the play-offs. You have to play perfect each week and be a little lucky. Also that a team that maybe has not played well during the season starts to get on a roll and puts together a great run in the play-offs maybe gets some kids back from injury. I know that is not in your POWER RANKINGS. What about those people. The Power rankings are a broke system already because PLand and NS aren't anywhere near the caliber of team that Katy is and you have your crappy Cajun Power Points ranking them 3rd. Come on Dude! Go sit on the 50 yd line at the Rig smoke some more dope and dream up another crazy scheme. But this time rank Katy at least 1st and maybe you will get some love.

[MADFAN#1]

The simple reason that this will never work is because of travel ($$$$). Some Regions are larger than others so more teams would have to travel long distances incurring greater costs for the schools. Region 4 is a perfect example. All Austin/SA area teams play each other early and all Valley/Laredo team play each other early to cut down on travel expenses.

[bulldog]

As you said I am free to express my opinion and I will. I think that this is a pipe dream and it is the ignorance of people like you that chase ghost with a thread on how to insure that the play-off get good match ups early. The play-offs are meant for the best team to survive and get to the next round. The good ones will. Who cares how it is formated and I don't need power point ranking system to tell me who is the best team. The best teams play and keep playing. You must be a Hurricane victim that moved here and have no understanding of the UIL play-off system. Best teams move on in case you were wondering and yours didn't. But anyone can win a game on any given night. That is the beauty of the play-offs. You have to play perfect each week and be a little lucky. Also that a team that maybe has not played well during the season starts to get on a roll and puts together a great run in the play-offs maybe gets some kids back from injury. I know that is not in your POWER RANKINGS. What about those people. The Power rankings are a broke system already because PLand and NS aren't anywhere near the caliber of team that Katy is and you have your crappy Cajun Power Points ranking them 3rd. Come on Dude! Go sit on the 50 yd line at the Rig smoke some more dope and dream up another crazy scheme. But this time rank Katy at least 1st and maybe you will get some love.

Well, atleast that was a better attempt at debate. Not great, but a good effort. You atleast brought some points to the table.

You are probably right about it being a dream. It would not happen. But if your way of doing things was the only way, Sports Talk Radio would have died out before it started. ESPN would not need any John Claytons or Peter Gammons. Only news need to be reported, and no opinions. I guess that is why Cable news (FOX, CNN) is lagging behind the networks news only style.

Atmosphere is what is great about Friday nights. One of the best games and atmoshpere's I went to was the regional finals between Katy-Clear Lake. Because the 2 best teams made it to the final round, more attendence occurred because it was the only game in town. It was a great experience. That is why I think a Pearland-Northshore game in round 3 or 4 would be great this season, or a Katy-Northshore, which we will not see because of the great system we have in place.

As far as Katy being RANKED 3rd, this is not a ranking per say. It is a seeding based on who you played and how good your competion was. It is not an attempt to say that Pearland and Northshore are better than Katy. (But we will never know that because your system does not allow it.) I don't think that there is a team in Houston better than Katy. It does say that Northshore and Pearland played a little harder schedule.

And "not understanding the UIL playoff system"???? I thought that the top 4 teams in the district make the playoffs, they are split into 2 divisions based on enrollment, the play against a pre-determined slotted opponent, and there are 4 regions in the state of Texas, neutral sites are preferred, but anything can be won on a coin toss in the coaches can't agree on everything, and there is no real state champion in the state of Texas. Did I miss anything???

[jp744]

Well, atleast that was a better attempt at debate. Not great, but a good effort. You atleast brought some points to the table.

You are probably right about it being a dream. It would not happen. But if your way of doing things was the only way, Sports Talk Radio would have died out before it started. ESPN would not need any John Claytons or Peter Gammons. Only news need to be reported, and no opinions. I guess that is why Cable news (FOX, CNN) is lagging behind the networks news only style.

Atmosphere is what is great about Friday nights. One of the best games and atmoshpere's I went to was the regional finals between Katy-Clear Lake. Because the 2 best teams made it to the final round, more attendence occurred because it was the only game in town. It was a great experience. That is why I think a Pearland-Northshore game in round 3 or 4 would be great this season, or a Katy-Northshore, which we will not see because of the great system we have in place.

As far as Katy being RANKED 3rd, this is not a ranking per say. It is a seeding based on who you played and how good your competion was. It is not an attempt to say that Pearland and Northshore are better than Katy. (But we will never know that because your system does not allow it.) I don't think that there is a team in Houston better than Katy. It does say that Northshore and Pearland played a little harder schedule. Your Rambling on about Useless Unconcieved thoughts that I don't care about.

And "not understanding the UIL playoff system"???? I thought that the top 4 teams in the district make the playoffs, they are split into 2 divisions based on enrollment, the play against a pre-determined slotted opponent, and there are 4 regions in the state of Texas, neutral sites are preferred, but anything can be won on a coin toss in the coaches can't agree on everything, and there is no real state champion in the state of Texas. Did I miss anything??? Ok Finally you said something good. That is the real problem. We need one more game to determine the undisputed STATE CHAMPIONSHIP

[bulldog]

Ok Finally you said something good. That is the real problem. We need one more game to determine the undisputed STATE CHAMPIONSHIP

are you saying that the pre-district games that mean nothing is a good thing?With this policy in place, a Katy-Northshore match-up in the early season is more likely. Teams get rewarded for playing good teams. So coaches would schedule a little different.

And, as I looked at it, there are very few teams that made the playoffs this year that would not have made it under the power point system. So the teams are basically the same, but the first round match-ups vary from year to year and there is a little more excitement at the end of the season to see who makes it, where you end up seeded and who you play.

I fail to see too many negatives about the system, except for region 1 being spread out, but they have to travel by round three anyway don't they?

Another part of this that I left out, because I think people like it a lot (playing at neutral sites), is where to play. The higher seed gets a home game the first round. After that the team with the fewest home games gets a home game. If both teams have the same number of home games, the lower seed gets the home game.

[bulldog]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-playoff112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Look jp744,
People talking about "what if"