Longview v. Rockwall

[BigArab]

Homecoming for Longview tonight. This is from the Longview News Journal

"ET FOOTBALL: Lobos ready for rested Rockwall

By BOB WARD

Friday, October 14, 2005

Rockwall is coming off an open date following its 21-14 win over Tyler Lee on Sept. 30. A year ago, the Yellow Jackets led Longview 10-7 with just over 5½ minutes to play.

According to Longview head coach John King, this year's Rockwall team is much improved over last year's team.

‘‘They've gone to a different scheme offensively and defensively,'' King said. ‘‘They can execute on both sides of the ball real well. Not extremely flashy in what they do, but it's effective and efficient.

‘‘I think we all remember what happened last year. If you don't come ready to play, you're going to get beat. We have to come ready to play.''

In 2004, Longview drove 79 yards in 10 plays with Vondrell McGee scoring on a 5-yard run to rally the Lobos for a 14-10 victory over the Yellow Jackets. Chris Ivory finished with 103 yards rushing, while McGee totaled 79.

Andy Tanner caught six passes for 68 yards, including a 10-yard touchdown that put Rockwall ahead 10-7 with 5:37 to play.

When Rockwall has the ball

Zack Eskridge continues to lead the district in passing with 1,010 yards on 74 of 131 completions with five touchdowns and three interceptions. His favorite receiver, Tanner, leads 12-5A in receiving with 32 receptions for 387 yards and two scores.

Running backs Tony Dabney (63-342) and Marcus Mathis (64-330) have combined for 11 touchdowns. Both ran for scores in Rockwall's win over Lee – Mathis' 1-yard touchdown with 6:50 to play being the game-winner.

Dabney, who also doubles as a wide receiver, has 15 receptions for 167 yards and two touchdowns. He had 82 all-purpose yards against Lee with four receptions and seven carries.

Rockwall is averaging 331.2 yards per game.

Defensively, Longview is allowing just 154.7 yards. The Lobos also lead the district in interceptions with 11 – Laderrick Satterwhite has three, while Cartez Beall, Calvin Jackson and Kelcie Oliver each have two.

The defense has 19 takeaways, including the 11 interceptions and eight fumble recoveries. Overall, including last week's fumble recovery on special teams, Longview is a plus-14 in turnovers.

When Longview has the ball

McGee and Ivory have combined for 23 rushing touchdowns. McGee (105-939, 13 TD) is just 61 yards shy of a second-straight 1,000-yard season, while producing 8.9 yards per carry. Ivory is averaging 5.7 yards on on 73 carries for 419 yards and 10 scores.

Sophomore fullback Mark Johnson also continues to be impressive off the bench with 305 yards and a pair of touchdowns on 47 carries (6.5 average).

Carlin Freeman connected for a season-high three touchdown passes against Lee. He is 44-of-88 for 665 yards with six scores and two interceptions.

David Robinson (16-259, 2 TD), Adrian Reese (11-203, TD), Ivory (9-106, TD) and Michael George (5-140, TD) are the leading receivers.

Longview is averaging 412.4 yards of offense, and 39.1 points per game (45.0 in district).

Rockwall ranks third in the district in defense, allowing 287 yards per game. The Yellow Jackets are led by returning all-district inside linebacker Cooper Elam, nose guard Kyle Blackmon, end Dee Duncan and outside linebacker Corey Randle.

Special teams

Zach Decker has converted 29-of-30 extra point attempts and 3-for-6 on field goals, including a 40-yarder. McGee (40.0) and Jarvis Pippins (37.3) are one-two in the district in kickoff returns.

Eskridge is the Rockwall punter, averaging 36.5 yards on 21 attempts. The kicker is Jonah Longino, who has converted 11 extra points and a pair of field goals. Tanner has kicked eight PATs for the Yellow Jackets.
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Any thoughts on the game? Possible upsets? Score Predictions? State Predictions?

[LPFAN]

LOBO gon get drove fo shizil. McGee and Ivory gon hit a ROCK- WALL tonight baby. Tha only moves they gon be making is on da dance flo at the homecoming dance afta they get whooped. :eek: :eek: :eek:

No man I am just kidding. Having a little fun here. I think Longview wins this one easily but I know they will not look past Rockwall. I will probably be listening to this game since I have no game to go to tonight.

[c-lisle]

I think Longview will win but Rockwall thinks they can hang with us. What I like about this game is we get to face a team that is at least decent running the spread. I hope to see 2-3 INT's by the Longview secondary.

[bleedgreen]

LOBO gon get drove fo shizil. McGee and Ivory gon hit a ROCK- WALL tonight baby. Tha only moves they gon be making is on da dance flo at the homecoming dance afta they get whooped. :eek: :eek: :eek:

No man I am just kidding. Having a little fun here. I think Longview wins this one easily but I know they will not look past Rockwall. I will probably be listening to this game since I have no game to go to tonight.
LOL, LPFan------drive to Longview tonight if you don't have another game to go to.....you can sit by me and we can laugh at that crazy sounding Lobo call--LOL.........

[rich_pack]

Lobos by 20, but I remember the game two years ago when I thought Longview would kill them, and they almost won the game, so who knows.

[green wave]

3rd quarter and it 21-6. i hope the lobos have finally woke up because this is the same team that almost beat us last year. i told everyone not to look pass rockwall

[LPFAN]

I think Longview will win but Rockwall thinks they can hang with us. What I like about this game is we get to face a team that is at least decent running the spread. I hope to see 2-3 INT's by the Longview secondary.
I guess now Rockwall knows they can hang with Longview. Heck I was wrong too because I thought Longview would win this one easily. Regardless it was a great game and your team found a way to win. Wasn't easy but it was a win. Now you know why I don't like to boast about my team. I know anything can happen. I hope we don't have something like that happen to us but anything is possible.

[Kingwolf]

Now I hope that the Lobo fans will shut up......

I am sorry but if the coaches don't get a grip on these players we are not going anywhere......absolute loss of control, they looked like Evangel the way they acted....

our defense got exposed by a 3-3 team... short routes ate us alive as they have been all year....not a lot of penetration, WHEN IT COUNTED......

if their defense was better, we lose...

I really hope we learn from this, everybody has gotten way too cocky........... :mad:

[Texasfrog]

Now I hope that the Lobo fans will shut up......

I am sorry but if the coaches don't get a grip on these players we are not going anywhere......absolute loss of control, they looked like Evangel the way they acted....

our defense got exposed by a 3-3 team... short routes ate us alive as they have been all year....not a lot of penetration, WHEN IT COUNTED......

if their defense was better, we lose...

I really hope we learn from this, everybody has gotten way too cocky........... :mad:

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again today. Longview showed me in the Tyler Lee game that they can be passed on by a good passing team.

[SLCDRGN]

Not only should LV hope they don't face SLC, they better watchout for Denton Ryan if SLC goes Div 1. Ryan would give them All they could handle an then some. A solid team that runs the spread with a good defense will knock LV out of the playoffs & it could be early. LV was exposed tonight!!

[Kingwolf]

Not only should LV hope they don't face SLC, they better watchout for Denton Ryan if SLC goes Div 1. Ryan would give them All they could handle an then some. A solid team that runs the spread with a good defense will knock LV out of the playoffs & it could be early. LV was exposed tonight!!


don't start salivating just yet.........

[relraiderfan]

"LV was exposed tonight"

You think? or maybe they just didn't play up to their potential. I know the SLC fans were just waiting for this because of the loud mouth Lview fans all week, but don't read too much into one game. Those same 16-18 yo KIDS were the same ones that looked very impressive last week on national television.

This season still isnt even half over if you count a 15 and 16 week season to win it all. Teams can get hot at different times. Tonight only goes to show that anyone can get beat on any given night.

Congrats on the tought win Lview.

[myround0]

Big arab...just what we pointed out Last week against Tyler Lee...defense on the field to long I will say this, this team has ben playing for about 13 weeks now when you include when training camp started so I know how kids are the get bored....still they have something great they could actually do...I think this was a hiccup...you have Rockwall coming off of a bye to play Longview just Like Lee, will this is about the 13th week for the Lobos...so they are primed for a set back week...defensively we called this, I am sure King and all the players will be energized come Monday and they will be ready for film studies and ready to practice new schemes I hope a blitz package will be put together to utilize the speed the Lobos have on defense...ARAB, do you know why Booer and Jacobs missed the game tonight...only comment if it was and injury and they will be back next week...don't need to air anything about studies on a site...

[c-lisle]

Now I hope that the Lobo fans will shut up......


LOL, I wonder if we'll see anymore of the wave of Lview fans on all the boards talking about winning state.

I admit going into the season I felt we had the ability to go all the way. Games like this bring you back to reality. I'm not ready to write us off just yet though, I'll wait and see how the team reacts. I just hope we can learn lessons from tonights debacle and be a better team.

[Texasfrog]

LOL, I wonder if we'll see anymore of the wave of Lview fans on all the boards talking about winning state.

I admit going into the season I felt we had the ability to go all the way. Games like this bring you back to reality. I'm not ready to write us off just yet though, I'll wait and see how the team reacts. I just hope we can learn lessons from tonights debacle and be a better team.

That game was probably the best thing to happen for Longview. Sometimes tough hardfought close games like that do nothing but wake a team up and show them they have to play tougher and better if they want to achieve their goals (State). I wont be surprised one bit to see the Lobo's blowout everyone in the next few games and probably the first couple of playoff games. Big wake-up call for them. That game probably propells them to another level... that's my guess.

[SLCDRGN]

Get them down and they will start swinging & mouthing followed by giving up. To hang with a spread offense you have to score points and LV can't do it against a good defense. Stuff the run and they are done!! They have proved their pass defense can be beat. Four speedy receivers against their secondary.........means BIG plays and points.

[bleedgreen]

Get them down and they will start swinging & mouthing followed by giving up. To hang with a spread offense you have to score points and LV can't do it against a good defense. Stuff the run and they are done!! They have proved their pass defense can be beat. Four speedy receivers against their secondary.........means BIG plays and points.
bring it, big mouth....put a sock in it, already...man, you are boring to listen to....you are just as bad as some of these big mouthed fans that we have in Longview...but, i know this is an isolated incident(idiot) because i know alot of RESPECTFUL SLC "true" fans on this website...there's a bad seed in every bunch..............

[SLCDRGN]

Bleed,

Just matching the homers in Longview. You guys had declared yourselves state champions last week. At least the mouthing will stop for a week. Lord heavens if you whip a patsie next week!! The windbags will startup again!!!

[JoeC]

Listen, I am a big Lobo fan . . . nobody talks as much trash as I do . . . with that said, last night was a rude awakening. This kid for Rockwall (the quarterback) was possessed. Several times he completed passes that looked impossible . . . I mean this guy was under relentless pressure on those two "big" fourth down completions for touchdowns!! On one of those passes he was in the grasp, going down and still managed to complete the pass. More than anything, the way these guys played us last year . . . I decided not to criticize SLC when they played DR; unlike other Lobo (some) fans I thought SLC's quarterback looked pretty good and I was very impressed with that one wide receiver - he is definitely good. Now back to the Rockwall game, they came with the perfect game plan . . . a series of short passes and several forth down conversions allowing them to control the clock. I think Longview had the ball only three times the entire first half . . . a perfect formula, if they don't have the ball they can't score. Not only that, Longview lost their composure - there were several unsportsmanlike personal fouls called on Longview . . . one for celebrating on a major stop in the fourth quarter [that was questionable to say the least] - giving Rockwall a first and goal. The onside kick also worked to perfection. Normally, Longview's hard hitting intimidates their opponents, and I mean there were several vicious (I mean seriously vicious) hits on Rockwall players that seemed not to deter them from their mission . . . "beat Longview"!! By the way, I hope the one kid removed on the stretcher is Ok . . . In the end, the only reason the plan failed was that they left 1 minute and 13 second on the clock which proved to be their demise. Longview drove the length of the field - to Rockwall's six yard line (leaving only six-seconds on the clock) and kicked the game winning field goal. As I said on an earlier post, sometimes you play good and win, sometimes you play bad and lose, and sometimes, you play bad enough to lose, yet still find a way to win. Like last year, it is my hopes that we've gotten it out of our system . . . take this long overdue break and come back in two-weeks firing on all cylinders again.

[bleedgreen]

Bleed,

Just matching the homers in Longview. You guys had declared yourselves state champions last week. At least the mouthing will stop for a week. Lord heavens if you whip a patsie next week!! The windbags will startup again!!!don't throw all of us in together...i NEVER have proclaimed that we would win a state title...you need to be more specific when you call out Longview fans, or you will get more of the same type of remarks from me--everytime, i'm not going anywhere....you keep telling us "what we should do", or "what our coaches should do"---if you know so much, then why don't come down here and coach, Mr. arm-chair coach...."patsie" did you say?? you guys aren't exactly playing top-notch competition in that "strong" district of yours, either....look at your district and then ask yourself who ALSO plays "patsies"---you know the answer to that, right??? i guess both of our programs are guilty of that, huh???? i don't look at our district games as patsies---i look at them just as that--district games, stepping stones to another district title, if it happens......................

[relraiderfan]

bleed, is there another on this board with the same name as you but with a space between bleed and green...

I thought you had a copyright on that... ;)

[PACKMAN]

That game was probably the best thing to happen for Longview. Sometimes tough hardfought close games like that do nothing but wake a team up and show them they have to play tougher and better if they want to achieve their goals (State). I wont be surprised one bit to see the Lobo's blowout everyone in the next few games and probably the first couple of playoff games. Big wake-up call for them. That game probably propells them to another level... that's my guess.


Check the projected playoff bracket ............ "blowout ... the first couple of playoff games" might be stretching it a little (or presumptuious to say the least)?

[pack0808]

bleed, is there another on this board with the same name as you but with a space between bleed and green...

I thought you had a copyright on that... ;)


He changed his name to greenwave out of respect!!

[bleedgreen]

redraiderfan----yea, i freaked when i saw that last week...but, my Lobo brother changed his name out of sure respect, and i respect him for doing that honor....greenwave sounds like a super hero...like the green latern or something???? pretty cool name..............reminds me of aquaman for some strange reason?????

[lonny23]

Not only should LV hope they don't face SLC, they better watchout for Denton Ryan if SLC goes Div 1. Ryan would give them All they could handle an then some. A solid team that runs the spread with a good defense will knock LV out of the playoffs & it could be early. LV was exposed tonight!!
Let me be one of the many to say that 1 game does not define what you can do in a season. The Lobos had a few hiccups in wins last year and still made a good playoff showing. They'll do the same thing this year.

[lonny23]

don't throw all of us in together...i NEVER have proclaimed that we would win a state title...you need to be more specific when you call out Longview fans, or you will get more of the same type of remarks from me--everytime, i'm not going anywhere....you keep telling us "what we should do", or "what our coaches should do"---if you know so much, then why don't come down here and coach, Mr. arm-chair coach...."patsie" did you say?? you guys aren't exactly playing top-notch competition in that "strong" district of yours, either....look at your district and then ask yourself who ALSO plays "patsies"---you know the answer to that, right??? i guess both of our programs are guilty of that, huh???? i don't look at our district games as patsies---i look at them just as that--district games, stepping stones to another district title, if it happens......................
Tell 'em, Bleed! :D

[JoeC]

Again . . . does anyone know how the young man removed on the stretcher is . . . is he Ok?

[c-lisle]

Again . . . does anyone know how the young man removed on the stretcher is . . . is he Ok?

I heard he is fine.

[RockinL]

Does anyone know why our DB's play so far off the receiver? We give up way too many 7-10 passes.

Do we not have the speed to play man to man and bump and run?

[dragonsdaddy]

having raised a cb, there's more to playing b-r than speed. db skills are traditionally the last thing learned on the way to football success. most coaches don't know much about teaching db skills. they are often happy just to get them in the proper position on the field, covering the right area. i think the spread will force db coaches to get busy and do some actual coaching. their wards are what can eventually slow the spread.

[BigArab]

Does anyone know why our DB's play so far off the receiver? We give up way too many 7-10 passes.

Do we not have the speed to play man to man and bump and run?

I explained it on Longview's website. It all has to do with blown coverage. The corner's coverage includes everything from 10 yards and deeper. We most definitely have the speed to play bump and run, but that's where all the pass interference penalties come from. You let the corners get a running start on any kind of short route to either demolish the ball-carrier, or step in front and pick it off. The SS's are SUPPOSED to be covering the flats, which includes hitch routes and swing passes. The FS covers the middle of the field and either runs downhill toward the run or the short pass, covers deep with the corners, or defends any kind of midfield drag routes and whatnot. It is a sound defensive scheme, they've just been playing it sloppy recently and hanging Jarvis (the FS) out to dry.

[Favpack]

Here's the bottom line. Give a hard-throwing, accurate qb time, and put a quick, very disciplined wr that is smart and runs excellent routes (sound like SLC anyone?) -- the offensive wins every time at the HS level. Cb's simply don't have the technique down yet to blanket a wideout for 6 seconds. And the d-coordinators still don't know how to fully scheme a spread. Defensive success always gets back to pressuring the qb.

[RockinL]

I explained it on Longview's website. It all has to do with blown coverage. The corner's coverage includes everything from 10 yards and deeper. We most definitely have the speed to play bump and run, but that's where all the pass interference penalties come from. You let the corners get a running start on any kind of short route to either demolish the ball-carrier, or step in front and pick it off. The SS's are SUPPOSED to be covering the flats, which includes hitch routes and swing passes. The FS covers the middle of the field and either runs downhill toward the run or the short pass, covers deep with the corners, or defends any kind of midfield drag routes and whatnot. It is a sound defensive scheme, they've just been playing it sloppy recently and hanging Jarvis (the FS) out to dry.
Ill never agree with just giving up the short routes. If we have the speed and skills to play up, the we should do it! If we dont, then I can understand the fear factor of getting burned deep.

I hope we learned some things from the Rockwall game.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I just checked the scoreboard. I didn't know Rockwall was that good.


Did McGee get shut down?

[BigArab]

Here's the bottom line. Give a hard-throwing, accurate qb time, and put a quick, very disciplined wr that is smart and runs excellent routes (sound like SLC anyone?) -- the offensive wins every time at the HS level. Cb's simply don't have the technique down yet to blanket a wideout for 6 seconds. And the d-coordinators still don't know how to fully scheme a spread. Defensive success always gets back to pressuring the qb.

And those guys you see that can shut down a receiver for 6 seconds are starting at the collegiate level at this point.

[BigArab]

I just checked the scoreboard. I didn't know Rockwall was that good.


Did McGee get shut down?

No, McGee has 16 carries for 130 yards and 2 TDs. Offense was doing their job...defense wasn't.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

No, McGee has 16 carries for 130 yards and 2 TDs. Offense was doing their job...defense wasn't.
Oh. Does Rockwall pass alot?

[c-lisle]

Oh. Does Rockwall pass alot?

Our QB had 100+ rushing also. Our O was there but the D didn't show up, I think we are starting to miss our two LBs, no excuses though, Rockwall played their game almost perfect. And yes they passed quite a bit...thier QB has a great arm. I think Rockwall played their A game and the Lobos brought their C+, B- game.

[LPFAN]

Our QB had 100+ rushing also. Our O was there but the D didn't show up, I think we are starting to miss our two LBs, no excuses though, Rockwall played their game almost perfect. And yes they passed quite a bit...thier QB has a great arm. I think Rockwall played their A game and the Lobos brought their C+, B- game.
I wasn't at the game I just listened to it on the radio. It was a great game and nothing like the members of your football forum boasted about before the game. I will say you have a lot more sense compared to some of those guys in Longviews forum. Who the heck does that RJ guy think he is? He acts like he is the Coach with all the answers. He is a JOKE! A lot of those guys were saying Longview was going to blow out Rockwall and put the starters in at the 3rd qtr. I have a question and it is not meant to dog the team because regardless of how close it was they played a good game a fought for the win. I want to know why when the game is close then everyone attributes it to the D "not playing their A game" or they were "flat" or "our D looked terrible" and the list goes on. Is the only way that a team can put that many points on the board against a great Lobo D is if the D is not playing good. Is there no way possible for a team to do it because they were just that good and your D did what it does in every game but just could not stop the offense. Is it had to accept the fact that your D played good but the opponents offense was better. I know our D is great too but if a good offense puts alot of points on the board I don't necessarily attribute it to our D playing horrible. A lot of times it can be because the opponents offense was good on that night.

[BigArab]

I wasn't at the game I just listened to it on the radio. It was a great game and nothing like the members of your football forum boasted about before the game. I will say you have a lot more sense compared to some of those guys in Longviews forum. Who the heck does that RJ guy think he is? He acts like he is the Coach with all the answers. He is a JOKE! A lot of those guys were saying Longview was going to blow out Rockwall and put the starters in at the 3rd qtr. I have a question and it is not meant to dog the team because regardless of how close it was they played a good game a fought for the win. I want to know why when the game is close then everyone attributes it to the D "not playing their A game" or they were "flat" or "our D looked terrible" and the list goes on. Is the only way that a team can put that many points on the board against a great Lobo D is if the D is not playing good. Is there no way possible for a team to do it because they were just that good and your D did what it does in every game but just could not stop the offense. Is it had to accept the fact that your D played good but the opponents offense was better. I know our D is great too but if a good offense puts alot of points on the board I don't necessarily attribute it to our D playing horrible. A lot of times it can be because the opponents offense was good on that night.

Not to discredit Rockwall's O, but when the defense has typically not given up big plays or committed a lot of penalties, and the offense is being forced to play catchup, when it hasn't in the past against better teams, then I'd say it's the D's fault.

If Lufkin faced Rockwall and gave up that many points, wouldn't you blame the defense?

[RockinL]

I wasn't at the game I just listened to it on the radio. It was a great game and nothing like the members of your football forum boasted about before the game. I will say you have a lot more sense compared to some of those guys in Longviews forum. Who the heck does that RJ guy think he is? He acts like he is the Coach with all the answers. He is a JOKE! A lot of those guys were saying Longview was going to blow out Rockwall and put the starters in at the 3rd qtr. I have a question and it is not meant to dog the team because regardless of how close it was they played a good game a fought for the win. I want to know why when the game is close then everyone attributes it to the D "not playing their A game" or they were "flat" or "our D looked terrible" and the list goes on. Is the only way that a team can put that many points on the board against a great Lobo D is if the D is not playing good. Is there no way possible for a team to do it because they were just that good and your D did what it does in every game but just could not stop the offense. Is it had to accept the fact that your D played good but the opponents offense was better. I know our D is great too but if a good offense puts alot of points on the board I don't necessarily attribute it to our D playing horrible. A lot of times it can be because the opponents offense was good on that night.


Longviews defense did not play well at all. Ive seen all but the Lake Highlands game this year, and our D was flat, sluggish, out of position, not containing, half stepping, etc..., whatever you want to call it, it was not a typical Friday night Lobo defense.
Having said that, Rockwall still played a heck of a game. It's been a while since Ive seen the Lobo defense on its heels like it was Friday night.

Maybe this will instill some humbleness into the team and they'll realize that just stepping on the field isnt going to "scare" an opponent.

[c-lisle]

We have faced better offenses but you could tell they were exploiting some weaknesses. They had a very good game plan. They kept putting that RB in the backfield alone and hiking the ball to him and he ran straight up the gut. 5+ yds every time. I think our LBs are inexperienced and just couldn't stop it. Hopefully our secondary can get it together b/c if teams can pass on us like that we will get killed in the playoffs. I think we will see our pre-Rockwall defense from here forward. I hope.

[LPFAN]

Not to discredit Rockwall's O, but when the defense has typically not given up big plays or committed a lot of penalties, and the offense is being forced to play catchup, when it hasn't in the past against better teams, then I'd say it's the D's fault.

If Lufkin faced Rockwall and gave up that many points, wouldn't you blame the defense?
Blaming the defense for giving up the points is one thing but acting like the only way a defense can give up that many points is if they played horrible is another. That is just acting like there is no way that a team can score like that on our great D unless we play sorry. You will not be able to shut down everyone and neither will Lufkin. Just quit acting like the D was playing so horrible just because they were actually tested and the other team executed. A great D can play great and still give up some points to an offense that played better.

[c-lisle]

Blaming the defense for giving up the points is one thing but acting like the only way a defense can give up that many points is if they played horrible is another. That is just acting like there is no way that a team can score like that on our great D unless we play sorry. You will not be able to shut down everyone and neither will Lufkin. Just quit acting like the D was playing so horrible just because they were actually tested and the other team executed. A great D can play great and still give up some points to an offense that played better.


you can't look at our other games and say that....this was obviously an abberation....I hope. Our D is better than how they played Friday.

[BigArab]

Blaming the defense for giving up the points is one thing but acting like the only way a defense can give up that many points is if they played horrible is another. That is just acting like there is no way that a team can score like that on our great D unless we play sorry. You will not be able to shut down everyone and neither will Lufkin. Just quit acting like the D was playing so horrible just because they were actually tested and the other team executed. A great D can play great and still give up some points to an offense that played better.

I wasn't there, and I can't say I've been acting like that.

[LPFAN]

It was still an exciting game. Kinda reminded me of 2001 LP vs ET game in Tyler. Pure excitement.

[LPFAN]

I wasn't there, and I can't say I've been acting like that.
Neither were some of the guys on Longview's forum but during and after the game they were acting like the D was playing horrible and some RJ dude was going off (acting like a maniac)and saying that Coach King needed to listen to what he had to say and he was saying what kind of blitz packages the D needed etc. I would be embarrased if I was a Lobo fan but I am sure he is not a reflection of most knowledgable Lobo fans.

[BigArab]

Neither were some of the guys on Longview's forum but during and after the game they were acting like the D was playing horrible and some RJ dude was going off (acting like a maniac)and saying that Coach King needed to listen to what he had to say and he was saying what kind of blitz packages the D needed etc. I would be embarrased if I was a Lobo fan but I am sure he is not a reflection of most knowledgable Lobo fans.

Hahaha...good ole RJ. His offensive schemes are sound, but no coach cares what he thinks. He seriously needs to be a coach, though. I've talked to him online and he knows what he is talking about. He just gets too worked up, especially since he hasn' t been to a game.

[LPFAN]

you can't look at our other games and say that....this was obviously an abberation....I hope. Our D is better than how they played Friday.
So your saying it has nothing to do with the fact that Rockwall was just better that night then all of the teams your D held in check in all the other games. There is no possible way that the team that matched up pretty good against your D could do that unless your D is down. It can't be because their offense was just better? If that was the State Title game I doubt this would even be a discussion. You would be celebrating the fact that the TEAM won the game regardless of how close it was. I bet you would be saying that the D stepped up when it had to and that one interception that they got proved to be the difference in winning the game or losing it. Take away that turnover and the outcome is different right. Thank God for the D stepping up earlier in the game and getting that turnover allowing your offense to capitalize on it.

[RockinL]

So your saying it has nothing to do with the fact that Rockwall was just better that night then all of the teams your D held in check in all the other games. There is no possible way that the team that matched up pretty good against your D could do that unless your D is down. It can't be because their offense was just better? If that was the State Title game I doubt this would even be a discussion. You would be celebrating the fact that the TEAM won the game regardless of how close it was. I bet you would be saying that the D stepped up when it had to and that one interception that they got proved to be the difference in winning the game or losing it. Take away that turnover and the outcome is different right. Thank God for the D stepping up earlier in the game and getting that turnover allowing your offense to capitalize on it.
Can you not accept the fact that Longviews defense didnt play like they should or have played in the previous 7 games? And it's because Rockwalls offense is that much better than Longviews defense who has allowed only 9.6 points avg. per game this year?

So, actually what you are saying, is that Rockwall has the best offense Longview has seen this year. Right?

Trust me my Lufkin pal.....Longviews D was not up to par Friday night. I'll give 20% of it to Rockwall for running some of the most unorthadox plays Ive seen, and the other 80% to the Lobo D coasting.

[LPFAN]

Can you not accept the fact that Longviews defense didnt play like they should or have played in the previous 7 games? And it's because Rockwalls offense is that much better than Longviews defense who has allowed only 9.6 points avg. per game this year?

So, actually what you are saying, is that Rockwall has the best offense Longview has seen this year. Right?

Trust me my Lufkin pal.....Longviews D was not up to par Friday night. I'll give 20% of it to Rockwall for running some of the most unorthadox plays Ive seen, and the other 80% to the Lobo D coasting.
I CAN ACCEPT it but can you accept the flip side? What offense played better then Rockwall's?

[RockinL]

I CAN ACCEPT it but can you accept the flip side? What offense played better then Rockwall's?
No offense has played better than Rockwalls this year because the Lobo D has done it's job.
I saw the game. I was almost embarrassed at the missed tackles and mistakes our D made.


Ok....Rockwall has the best offense Longview has faced this year. All those district leading stats that Longviews defense has, were against some of the worst teams they will see.
Rockwall is without a doubt in the top 5 in the state offensively.

Better??

[c-lisle]

So your saying it has nothing to do with the fact that Rockwall was just better that night then all of the teams your D held in check in all the other games. There is no possible way that the team that matched up pretty good against your D could do that unless your D is down. It can't be because their offense was just better? If that was the State Title game I doubt this would even be a discussion. You would be celebrating the fact that the TEAM won the game regardless of how close it was. I bet you would be saying that the D stepped up when it had to and that one interception that they got proved to be the difference in winning the game or losing it. Take away that turnover and the outcome is different right. Thank God for the D stepping up earlier in the game and getting that turnover allowing your offense to capitalize on it.

I get what you are saying...yes it is possible that their O was just good but that isn't the case. I give them credit for executing well but their QB was the best player they had. I have watched every game but one and I am telling you our defense was just not executing well. We have faced much better RBs and held them to alot less. Our guys weren't tackling well, they just seemed out of rythm.

[LPFAN]

No offense has played better than Rockwalls this year because the Lobo D has done it's job.
I saw the game. I was almost embarrassed at the missed tackles and mistakes our D made.


Ok....Rockwall has the best offense Longview has faced this year. All those district leading stats that Longviews defense has, were against some of the worst teams they will see.
Rockwall is without a doubt in the top 5 in the state offensively.

Better??
Regardless I still think that Longview has a good D and I guess it was not the D's night to shine. I wouldn't be suprised to see them come back and get a shut out in the next game.

[c-lisle]

Regardless I still think that Longview has a good D and I guess it was not the D's night to shine. I wouldn't be suprised to see them come back and pitch a shut out in the next game.


I'm hoping this game will be an exception just like it was last year.

[LPFAN]

I'm hoping this game will be an exception just like it was last year.
And if we happen to meet again I know it will be just as scary as last year. This time we could be on the flip side. I am still proud of East Texas football and it is good to see JT getting back to their winning ways. Sure wish we could be back in our old district.

[JoeC]

It is my opinion that you're all right . . . Longview's D was a little off; in fact, there were instances where if a step or two faster (L-DB's) and it is possible that we could have had at least two additional picks and at least two clutch sacks . . . more importantly, I believe Rockwall's O was in a zone, especially their QB . . . I'll say it again, Rockwall's QB played with poise and made some unbelievable throws and on many occasions while on the run. It is my opinion that this kid had one of the best performances I have ever seen from the HS QB position. There are not many HS QB's that can throw as accurate while on the run; just think, if he had been a little off . . . it is then plausible to conclude that several of his passes could have been either incomplete or going the other way. Remember, this is and will always be a game of inches and what ifs. In conclusion, although Longview had played a long time without a break, was/is banged up on defense, and was short some key personnel, I believe more than Longview's D being out of sink, I believe Rockwall's O was well prepared (two-weeks) and they had been convinced by their coaching staff that they could get it done (especially coming off the victory over Tyler Lee); and as a result, they played at an inspired level. Additionally, just think, if the well executed on side kick had failed, and Longview did not get hit with that key celebration penalty, the score could very well have been 41-21 . . . and if so, would we still be having the same conversation? Yes . . . . Why(?), because this is what we do!!

[LPFAN]

It is my opinion that you're all right . . . Longview's D was a little off; in fact, there were instances where if a step or two faster (L-DB's) and it is possible that we could have had at least two additional picks and at least two clutch sacks . . . more importantly, I believe Rockwall's O was in a zone, especially their QB . . . I'll say it again, Rockwall's QB played with poise and made some unbelievable throws and on many occasions while on the run. It is my opinion that this kid had one of the best performances I have ever seen from the HS QB position. There are not many HS QB's that can throw as accurate while on the run; just think, if he had been a little off . . . it is then plausible to conclude that several of his passes could have been either incomplete or going the other way. Remember, this is and will always be a game of inches and what ifs. In conclusion, although Longview had played a long time without a break, was/is banged up on defense, and was short some key personnel, I believe more than Longview's D being out of sink, I believe Rockwall's O was well prepared (two-weeks) and they had been convinced by their coaching staff that they could get it done (especially coming off the victory over Tyler Lee); and as a result, they played at an inspired level. Additionally, just think, if the well executed on side kick had failed, and Longview did not get hit with that key celebration penalty, the score could very well have been 41-21 . . . and if so, would we still be having the same conversation? Yes . . . . Why(?), because this is what we do!!
Yep I guess you are right, this is what we do. :eek: It was still a great game in my opinion but I know others will have a different opinion since it wasn't a blow out. I don't know about you but I will take a 1 point win just like I will a blowout win. Blowouts are nice but they can get boring and I prefer battles like we use to have in our old district.

[JoeC]

Yep I guess you are right, this is what we do. :eek: It was still a great game in my opinion but I know others will have a different opinion since it wasn't a blow out. I don't know about you but I will take a 1 point win just like I will a blowout win. Blowouts are nice but they can get boring and I prefer battles like we use to have in our old district.

You are so right in so many ways . . . Man I'll take a half a point win over you guys. ;) More importantly, what many people fail to understand . . . Even with the streak, most Longview fans would welcome a team of your caliber back to this district. I watch and read about Lufkin every week . . . It's an old habit that will die hard. I am sure I speak for many Longview fans, we miss you, Marshall, Texas High and Nacogdoches. . . the old East Texas district.

[c-lisle]

You are so right in so many ways . . . Man I'll take a half a point win over you guys. ;) More importantly, what many people fail to understand . . . Even with the streak, most Longview fans would welcome a team of your caliber back to this district. I watch and read about Lufkin every week . . . It's an old habit that will die hard. I am sure I speak for many Longview fans, we miss you, Marshall, Texas High and Nacogdoches. . . the old East Texas district.


Anything below a 4 td win won't cut it. Just kidding...it will be a dog fight as usual. I just hope we both make it.