It's looking like Sherman to A&M [Archive]

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 05:36 PM

slorch

11-25-2007, 05:39 PM

I don't think I am the only one that thinks this is a wonderful way to follow up a mess. I still don't see how this guy is going to recruit Texas, but we'll see... Bring on the Shermanator...

HUM398

11-25-2007, 05:40 PM

Bwhahahahahahaha!

mad_fan

11-25-2007, 05:42 PM

mike2???
The same guy that had the insight and wisdom to beat mike1 and the Seahawks in his final game as the Packers head coach...only to break a three way tie for 2nd pick in the draft???

Good pick...aggy...

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 05:48 PM

I'm going to reserve judgment until it becomes official. I will say this though... I don't think Bob Davie would be a bad hire.

BackNBlack87

11-25-2007, 06:38 PM

Oh wow.... that would be, HORRIBLE. Please dont let that one be true.

Favpack

11-25-2007, 06:40 PM

They all suck - get your head out A&M.

LUFPAN

11-25-2007, 07:19 PM

Please not Sherman or Davies. We need somebody with some offensive experience.

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 07:31 PM

Please not Sherman or Davies. We need somebody with some offensive experience.

At least Chris Petersen know's how to beat Oklahoma. I think he's the best choice.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 07:44 PM

Please not Sherman or Davies. We need somebody with some offensive experience.

You do realize that Mike Sherman is an offensive coach, don't you? He was an O-line coach at A&M, coached TEs at Green Bay, was Seattle's OC and is now the OC for the Houston NFL team. Sherman started his career in the early 80s coaching the O-line at Pitt and Tulane. Offense is all he's ever done. I think he was even the play caller for Green Bay when he was the HC there.

Reaganrattler07

11-25-2007, 07:47 PM

HC- Sherman
OC- Sumlin
DC - Darnell???

I wouldn't committ suicide over Sherman but he's probably 5 or 6 on my list.

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 07:49 PM

You do realize that Mike Sherman is an offensive coach, don't you? He was an O-line coach at A&M, coached TEs at Green Bay, was Seattle's OC and is now the OC for the Houston NFL team. Sherman started his career in the early 80s coaching the O-line at Pitt and Tulane. Offense is all he's ever done. I think he was even the play caller for Green Bay when he was the HC there.

Right, that high powered Houston Texans offense. :rolleyes:

Peterson is new age offense, creative offense. That's what people like to watch.

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 07:49 PM

HC- Sherman
OC- Sumlin
DC - Darnell???

I wouldn't committ suicide over Sherman but he's probably 5 or 6 on my list.

Yeah, how about Bill Callahan as OC? You gotta admit, Nebraska could score some points this season.....

Reaganrattler07

11-25-2007, 07:54 PM

Right, that high powered Houston Texans offense. :rolleyes:

Peterson is new age offense, creative offense. That's what people like to watch.

I don't give a turkey if people "like to watch". All I care are W's and L's.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 08:09 PM

Right, that high powered Houston Texans offense. :rolleyes:

Peterson is new age offense, creative offense. That's what people like to watch.

I said he was an offensive coach... I didn't say he was a great offensive coach (though he was decent at times in Green Bay).

BTW, Boise State doesn't run a very creative offense. Scheme wise, they run the same thing a lot of teams run. They run some creative plays from time to time, but their success comes from their discipline and the fact that they play in the WAC. The WAC had 4 teams in the top 10 in total offense last year and they have 3 this year. It's an offensive conference that wouldn't know a defense if it bit them in the butt. I'm not trying to take anything away from Petersen or Boise State because they are good, but you have to step back some and take a critical look at things. Petersen could live off the hype generated by that Fiesta Bowl win until Jesus returns.

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 08:14 PM

I said he was an offensive coach... I didn't say he was a great offensive coach (though he was decent at times in Green Bay).

BTW, Boise State doesn't run a very creative offense. Scheme wise, they run the same thing a lot of teams run. They run some creative plays from time to time, but their success comes from their discipline and the fact that they play in the WAC. The WAC had 4 teams in the top 10 in total offense last year and they have 3 this year. It's an offensive conference that wouldn't know a defense if it bit them in the butt. I'm not trying to take anything away from Petersen or Boise State because they are good, but you have to step back some and take a critical look at things. Petersen could live off the hype generated by that Fiesta Bowl win until Jesus returns.

And, obviously it was enough defense to beat a good Big XII school. How about June Jones? His contract with Hawaii has expired....

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 08:15 PM

I don't give a turkey if people "like to watch". All I care are W's and L's.

Uh, the other part of like to watch is because of the "W's" it gets the team.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 08:22 PM

And, obviously it was enough defense to beat a good Big XII school. How about June Jones? His contract with Hawaii has expired....

So you would hire a head coach based on one game... one bowl win? What about this year where his offense was shut down by Washington and controlled by Hawaii? The guy is good, but I'm afraid his hype in some circles is starting to get a little out of hand. His offenses aren't "new age", Boise State just runs them well. He's not Urban Meyer in that he runs some innovative offense.

BTW, June Jones will never leave the big Island. Hawaii will give him a new contract which will be enough to keep him out there and happy. Besides, if June Jones became the HC at A&M, I can almost guarantee you that he would bring back Jerry Glanville as his DC. That would go over real well in Aggieland.

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 08:27 PM

So you would hire a head coach based on one game... one bowl win? What about this year where his offense was shut down by Washington and controlled by Hawaii? The guy is good, but I'm afraid his hype in some circles is starting to get a little out of hand. His offenses aren't "new age", Boise State just runs them well. He's not Urban Meyer in that he runs some innovative offense.

BTW, June Jones will never leave the big Island. Hawaii will give him a new contract which will be enough to keep him out there and happy. Besides, if June Jones became the HC at A&M, I can almost guarantee you that he would bring back Jerry Glanville as his DC. That would go over real well in Aggieland.

My June Jones comment was sarcasm because I know how I'm the only one here that likes him.

I think Petersen could do well with the talent he could get at A&M, that's my point. Maybe not. Maybe he's anothree Mike Gundy. He's is a man, though. he's 40.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 08:35 PM

My June Jones comment was sarcasm because I know how I'm the only one here that likes him.

I think Petersen could do well with the talent he could get at A&M, that's my point. Maybe not. Maybe he's anothree Mike Gundy. He's is a man, though. he's 40.

I love June Jones, but I also love Bill Belichick. Since Bobby Petrino left the college ranks, I think Jones is the best offensive minded coach in Div. 1A

okt0ber

11-25-2007, 08:41 PM

I love June Jones, but I also love Bill Belichick. Since Bobby Petrino left the college ranks, I think Jones is the best offensive minded coach in Div. 1A

I thought you were one of the haters. No one likes Run-n-shoot on here! (except maybe Lonny)

Firebird

11-25-2007, 08:48 PM

Hmmm. Very underwhelming, all of those choices. Bob Davie and Sherman scream "good old boy" hire, something that BB has not done during his tenure at Aggieland. I am always gun shy of NFL to college moves. June Jones and Pete Carroll have been great, after that the record is very mixed. At least Sherman has some college experience.

I don't have any idea why we would even consider a coach that got fired by Notre Dame. If he couldn't go better than 32-25 there, we don't need him in Aggieland.

I'll give whoever comes in a shot, but I really expected a bit more from the AD. I think we need to go get a hot young coordinator, but what do I know.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 08:48 PM

I thought you were one of the haters. No one likes Run-n-shoot on here! (except maybe Lonny)

I LOVE the Run n' Shoot. I grew up watching Warren Moon run it in Houston and Barry Sanders in Detroit and loved it. I don't like Leach's version. It gets too far away from the true RnS offense IMO.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 08:50 PM

At least Sherman has some college experience.

So did Al Groh. :mad:

Reaganrattler07

11-25-2007, 08:54 PM

So did Al Groh. :mad:

I don't think Frank is even happy that he has scoreboard over Groh anymore.:p

Dawg Fan

11-25-2007, 08:56 PM

As much as I don't care for the decision, I think it will be Sherman. You have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Can't be worse than Fran:(

Reaganrattler07

11-25-2007, 08:57 PM

As much as I don't care for the decision, I think it will be Sherman. You have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Can't be worse than Fran:(

I think he'll suprise.

jtk1519

11-25-2007, 08:59 PM

I don't think Frank is even happy that he has scoreboard over Groh anymore.:p

Nobody should be excited about having scoreboard on Groh. That's like saying you beat up a special ed kid in high school. Beamer just needs to worry about not choking away the end of another season... again.

Reaganrattler07

11-25-2007, 09:00 PM

Nobody should be excited about having scoreboard on Groh. That's like saying you beat up a special ed kid in high school. Beamer just needs to worry about not choking away the end of another season... again.

Least he got there....

And I think its more Stinespring than it is Beamer.

Pool Man

11-25-2007, 10:34 PM

November 25, 2007

Effective immediately, I am resigning as Athletic Director of Texas A&M University. It has become painfully obvious that I don't know how to "Build Champions."

Bill Byrnes

Firebird

11-25-2007, 10:46 PM

November 25, 2007

Effective immediately, I am resigning as Athletic Director of Texas A&M University. It has become painfully obvious that I don't know how to "Build Champions."

Bill Byrnes

Dang, I guess we aren't counting the seven we won or shared last year...more than any other school in the conference.

Moral victory denied. Obsession noted.

HUM398

11-25-2007, 11:52 PM

A&M needs to find someone that wont waste away Jerrod Johnson... The Fran Step down was the best thing that could ever happen to him....

Although, JJ is something to be feared around the rest of the Big 12. If he develops into what i think he will....its going to be bad news for everyone else. As much as i like to watch aggy lose...I want to see JJ thrive....

lonny23

11-25-2007, 11:58 PM

The Houston Comical is reporting Sherman leads a three-way race that includes former Notre Dame coach (and A&M assistant) Bob Davie and Boise State's Chris Petersen. There is a lot of speculation that A&M will make an announcement this week which would pretty much rule out Petersen.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5326778.html

FWIW, Charlie Casserly also reported on CBS today that Sherman is going to A&M.
Yeah, I heard that a few days ago and loved seeing the Comical reporting that when I got a paper this morning!:D

Bo Pelini to the Corn is a maybe as is Nutt to Baylor. Can't gripe about those!:D

lonny23

11-26-2007, 12:00 AM

I'm going to reserve judgment until it becomes official. I will say this though... I don't think Bob Davie would be a bad hire.
He couldn't win at Notre Dame!:D

lonny23

11-26-2007, 12:01 AM

You do realize that Mike Sherman is an offensive coach, don't you? He was an O-line coach at A&M, coached TEs at Green Bay, was Seattle's OC and is now the OC for the Houston NFL team. Sherman started his career in the early 80s coaching the O-line at Pitt and Tulane. Offense is all he's ever done. I think he was even the play caller for Green Bay when he was the HC there.
I was listening to the Texans and the postgame as I was working my way west today and all they could talk about was bad playcalling by Sherman!:D

lonny23

11-26-2007, 12:07 AM

I thought you were one of the haters. No one likes Run-n-shoot on here! (except maybe Lonny)
I need more balance in my life!:D

I watched Air Force run a Fishbone version of the wishbone for over 20 years until this year.

Bill Yeoman's Veer turned into the Run and Shoot at Houston with Jack Pardee and John Jenkins and that was followed not too long after that with Leach at Tech.

I can't get away from the all-run or all-pass offenses!:D

jtk1519

11-26-2007, 12:07 AM

Yeah, I heard that a few days ago and loved seeing the Comical reporting that when I got a paper this morning!:D

Bo Pelini to the Corn is a maybe as is Nutt to Baylor. Can't gripe about those!:D

Pelini gives me pause. Dude can coach, but the others do nothing to me. Either Nuttsack or Sherman could breathe new life into fledgling programs or both could flop worse than the guys they are replacing. Neither outcome would surprise me.

lonny23

11-26-2007, 12:08 AM

lonny23

11-26-2007, 12:10 AM

I LOVE the Run n' Shoot. I grew up watching Warren Moon run it in Houston and Barry Sanders in Detroit and loved it. I don't like Leach's version. It gets too far away from the true RnS offense IMO.
I don't think you can win big with the UH version from the late 80's and 90's. The better teams are too fast and tackle too well to move the chains.

HUM398

11-26-2007, 12:12 AM

I don't think you can win big with the UH version from the late 80's and 90's. The better teams are too fast and tackle too well to move the chains.

BS... The UH version with today's Talent... GOLD MY MAN..GOLD

jtk1519

11-26-2007, 12:15 AM

I was listening to the Texans and the postgame as I was working my way west today and all they could talk about was bad playcalling by Sherman!:D

I wasn't underwhelmed by Sherman's play calling, but I was grossly underwhelmed by Houston's incredible lack of talent. I haven't watched them much, but outside of Schaub who is a legit middle-of-the-pack type NFL QB and Andre Johnson who is legit, they have no talent at all on offense. Their offense is stacked full of role players who would be coming off the bench on 2/3rds of the NFL's rosters. They have some decent talent at places on defense, but I was shocked at how Cleveland, position for position, straight dominated Houston talent wise. Atlanta and maybe Oakland are the only teams I can think of that are built worse than the Houston franchise.

If Sherman's offense has struggled, maybe it has something to do with the fact that he's working with a bunch of scrubs. Seriously, when Ron Dayne is your leading rusher, you might as well just get ready for the '08 draft because that's all you have to look forward to.

jtk1519

11-26-2007, 12:20 AM

I don't think you can win big with the UH version from the late 80's and 90's. The better teams are too fast and tackle too well to move the chains.

Debatable. I do know that if the Run n Shoot were run the way it is supposed to be run, with splitbacks in the slots and a Mouse Davis type RB, it could and would dominate at any level of college football. What people forget because coaches like Leach have drifted so far away, is that the Run n Shoot is actually a very good offense to run out of. Barry Sanders did most of his NFL damage in it. Look at Hawaii last year. Their RB, Nate Ilaoa, was statistically the best RB in all of college football averaging 7.4 ypc. On top of a 1000 yard rushing season, he also caught 67 passes for 837 yards. Hawaii last year was maybe the purest form of the Run n Shoot we have seen in years.

HUM398

11-26-2007, 12:34 AM

Debatable. I do know that if the Run n Shoot were run the way it is supposed to be run, with splitbacks in the slots and a Mouse Davis type RB, it could and would dominate at any level of college football. What people forget because coaches like Leach have drifted so far away, is that the Run n Shoot is actually a very good offense to run out of. Barry Sanders did most of his NFL damage in it. Look at Hawaii last year. Their RB, Nate Ilaoa, was statistically the best RB in all of college football averaging 7.4 ypc. On top of a 1000 yard rushing season, he also caught 67 passes for 837 yards. Hawaii last year was maybe the purest form of the Run n Shoot we have seen in years.

i thought anthony aldridge was statistically the best RB in college football Avg. something around 10 yards a carry...i could be mistaken though.

jtk1519

11-26-2007, 12:43 AM

i thought anthony aldridge was statistically the best RB in college football Avg. something around 10 yards a carry...i could be mistaken though.

He didn't have 100 carries. Most stats like that apply to 100 carry backs, but he did average over 10 a carry.

HUM398

11-26-2007, 12:52 AM

He didn't have 100 carries. Most stats like that apply to 100 carry backs, but he did average over 10 a carry.

was unaware that he didnt have 100 carries.

jtk1519

11-26-2007, 12:54 AM

was unaware that he didnt have 100 carries.

95 I think.

slorch

11-26-2007, 05:31 AM

I LOVE the Run n' Shoot. I grew up watching Warren Moon run it in Houston and Barry Sanders in Detroit and loved it. I don't like Leach's version. It gets too far away from the true RnS offense IMO.

we don't need you, anyway. BTW, it isn't really the run-n-shoot any more than the I formation is the Wishbone, but Leach's offense works just fine.

Now where's that D-Coordinator we need?:D

Bobcat Booster

11-26-2007, 11:13 AM

It's official, news conference right now.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7491220?MSNHPHMA

Favpack

11-26-2007, 11:35 AM

Thank goodness A&M jumped on Sherman before the Texans locked him up for another 4 games, or, heaven forbid, he jumped ship and took the lead job at Rice.

I mean, who doesn't have Mike Sherman circled as their No. 1 guy with his agent on their speed dial.