In Defense of Longview...

[Phoenixrising05]

I've been posting for awhile on another forum (as AggieDragon04) and recently discovered this site. The sheer number of SLC, Lufkin and Longview fans is amazing. But one thing that has kinda gotten under my skin is how quickly some of my fellow Dragon fans have been to discount Longview.

All the way back in 02 some of you may recall an unproven and untested Dragon squad that worked its way to state. I remember that was the first year I started reading message boards and all the SLC posters were constantly getting flack for saying how great their team was and how "they hadn't played anyone." No matter how many games they won by 28+ points everyone would come back and say "well that team sucked that doesn't mean anything." Welp that little untested squad won state. I also remember in 03 when *I* said Katy sucked because they didn't come from region 1 or 2 and "hadn't played anyone." Well we all know what happened in state that year as well.

Basically it's just stupid and hypocritical to spend so much time hating on Longview and discounting them when they're in the same boat SLC was not too long ago. I, like most of the other posters giving them crap, have NOT seen them play...so let's not jump to conclusions or waste time putting them down.

Sorry for the length and best of luck to the Lobos I think lots of us Dragons feel your frustration!

[Redneckn]

I think it is all the chest thumping that some of the Longview people are doing that has gotten old. Some of the back and forth is just for kicks and to get other people riled all up.

As much as I dont think Longview has played anybody this year, I dont think SLC has either.

[DragonFan]

The same can be said of Euless Trinity. I believe that the 10 game pre-season is just to get the teams prepared to play the 5 or 6 game Post-Season that most of us enjoy!

The numbers and stat games do not mean anything. Are the Dallas Cowboys really a team that holds the NFL's best offense to a mere 108 yards total offense? If you looked at that one game you would have to proclaim the Dallas Cowboys as super bowl champs this year! Are they going to be? Probally not.

Champions are built one game at a time. It does not matter who that team is, if you play them one at a time and win them one at a time, then you have a chance to be the Champion!

[dragonfootballfan]

I am not upset by them saying that their team is good or saying that they have a chance at state. I don't like it when they say that they are the champions or try to bring Carroll down. I remember 2002 as well and I never once tried to put down other teams. All that I said was that my team was good.

[Redneckn]

The same can be said of Euless Trinity. I believe that the 10 game pre-season is just to get the teams prepared to play the 5 or 6 game Post-Season that most of us enjoy!

The numbers and stat games do not mean anything. Are the Dallas Cowboys really a team that holds the NFL's best offense to a mere 108 yards total offense? If you looked at that one game you would have to proclaim the Dallas Cowboys as super bowl champs this year! Are they going to be? Probally not.

Champions are built one game at a time. It does not matter who that team is, if you play them one at a time and win them one at a time, then you have a chance to be the Champion!

The 10 game preseason. I like that..haha... You do have a good point though. Dallas could win the 'bowl. COULD.

[BigArab]

I think it is all the chest thumping that some of the Longview people are doing that has gotten old. Some of the back and forth is just for kicks and to get other people riled all up.

As much as I dont think Longview has played anybody this year, I dont think SLC has either.

The only reason you don't think we've played anyone is because all the teams that were hailed as great in the preseason have gone on to have subpar seasons (*cough* ECA *cough*). You want King to be a media-monger and schedule all this ridiculous teams out of state that would end up costing a lot of money with no real bearing whatsoever?

I think he has done a good job of scheduling the best he can within a prudent area.

Marshall: 20 miles
ECA: 60 miles
West Monroe: 60 miles (facing them at Independence)
Lake Highlands: 130 miles

On paper at the beginning of the season, all these teams look pretty good.

Besides...as someone else put it, these coaches really don't have any control over how good their opposition is. You just take it and roll with it and hope someone will finally give you respect somewhere down the line.

[Favpack]

Longview has played some fairly tough teams - and others that were expected to be really good that weren't - ala Tyler Lee.

[ktCarl]

You can come from a crappy region or district and yet still have a good team come from that area capable of beating anyone.

[Redneckn]

The only reason you don't think we've played anyone is because all the teams that were hailed as great in the preseason have gone on to have subpar seasons (*cough* ECA *cough*). You want King to be a media-monger and schedule all this ridiculous teams out of state that would end up costing a lot of money with no real bearing whatsoever?

I think he has done a good job of scheduling the best he can within a prudent area.

Marshall: 20 miles
ECA: 60 miles
West Monroe: 60 miles (facing them at Independence)
Lake Highlands: 130 miles

On paper at the beginning of the season, all these teams look pretty good.


I'm not pointing fingers. Longview came up with what they felt like was the best schedule they could arrange. I'm not saying LV didnt play anybody because didnt want to or couldnt. I'm just pointing out the fact that LV really hasnt played anybody. Doesnt matter why. It's just reality of the season. So far.
Your point about "looking good on paper" is very valid. And that's all anybody really had to go on early before the season. I knew ECA looked good on paper. I also knew what was being said around campus. They actually did better than I thought they would. Honestly, I didnt expect them to score on LV or Springdale. I did have to eat crow concerning TxHigh though. That was a surprise.

Mainly, I just like to pluck y'all feathers now and then. Keeps you on your toes.. :D :eek:

[bleedgreen]

yea, get off of our backs......you people are getting a little too heavy to carry---LOL........just for the record---everyone knows that old Bleedgreen has not been pounding on his chest about Longview....i think everyone has a fair chance to knock us off, and anyone else...that's why we play the game, right????

[GoOwls]

I've been posting for awhile on another forum (as AggieDragon04) and recently discovered this site. The sheer number of SLC, Lufkin and Longview fans is amazing. But one thing that has kinda gotten under my skin is how quickly some of my fellow Dragon fans have been to discount Longview.

All the way back in 02 some of you may recall an unproven and untested Dragon squad that worked its way to state. I remember that was the first year I started reading message boards and all the SLC posters were constantly getting flack for saying how great their team was and how "they hadn't played anyone." No matter how many games they won by 28+ points everyone would come back and say "well that team sucked that doesn't mean anything." Welp that little untested squad won state. I also remember in 03 when *I* said Katy sucked because they didn't come from region 1 or 2 and "hadn't played anyone." Well we all know what happened in state that year as well.

Basically it's just stupid and hypocritical to spend so much time hating on Longview and discounting them when they're in the same boat SLC was not too long ago. I, like most of the other posters giving them crap, have NOT seen them play...so let's not jump to conclusions or waste time putting them down.

Sorry for the length and best of luck to the Lobos I think lots of us Dragons feel your frustration!

See, here is where the problem is. Southlake, for quite a number of years now, has been a successful program at all levels they have participated, playing for and winning championships. Longview has been very good over the last few years, but no championships to show for it. Many HS football fans see them as not being "closers". I'm afraid that they will not get their props until the final buzzer of a championship game with them having the highest score, and isn't that the way it should be?

[lonny23]

Longview has played some fairly tough teams - and others that were expected to be really good that weren't - ala Tyler Lee.
Longview is looking in the wrong direction for opponents. The truth is they shouldn't be playing 4A teams and I mean any of them. They also don't need to play Louisiana schools that can't match what some Texas teams do. I won't say they need to play DII teams, so somebody like E Trinity would be a good team to play.

[lonny23]

See, here is where the problem is. Southlake, for quite a number of years now, has been a successful program at all levels they have participated, playing for and winning championships. Longview has been very good over the last few years, but no championships to show for it. Many HS football fans see them as not being "closers". I'm afraid that they will not get their props until the final buzzer of a championship game with them having the highest score, and isn't that the way it should be?
I kinda said that last year. When we had all the talk about what the Lobos would do last year, I asked how we knew King was better than Collins and I had my doubts.

[lonny23]

yea, get off of our backs......you people are getting a little too heavy to carry---LOL........just for the record---everyone knows that old Bleedgreen has not been pounding on his chest about Longview....i think everyone has a fair chance to knock us off, and anyone else...that's why we play the game, right????
I must admit you haven't said much this year. You said more last year about the Lobos, but that might've been mostly to combat what I was saying! :D

[SFAlobo]

Comon nobody schedules a load of top programs...besides Lee and look where they are...you might get one at the most for nondistrict...besides this is a Lobo team that was expected to make the playoffs and the same team that was in the playoffs last year...so they have nothing to prove until after week 10...or week 9 however you look at it.

[lonny23]

Comon nobody schedules a load of top programs...besides Lee and look where they are...you might get one at the most for nondistrict...besides this is a Lobo team that was expected to make the playoffs and the same team that was in the playoffs last year...so they have nothing to prove until after week 10...or week 9 however you look at it.
When are you East Texas guys going to learn to look outside ET when making comments? The Woodlands played both Katy and North Shore. Judson played Pflugerville and Copperas Cove. Other teams have played good schedules, too. It amazes me how ET guys can only see and think what ET does.

Hey, I'm not trying so much to pick on you as I'm making a general statement about what ET guys say.

[BigArab]

First of all, Longview will ALWAYS play Marshall. I think Coach King, Pat Collins, and everyone else in the Atheltic Dept. could care less what you on a forum have to say about them playing a 4A team. That is a near 100 year (that we know of) rivalry that will continue on until one of the schools is burned or shut down (not gonna happen).

Also, it comes down to money. You list these schools like Judson, Katy, North Shore, Copperas Cove, SLC, etc. You know what these schools have in common?? They have wealth in the district, and a lot of it. I know Collins fights each year just keep the same amount in the budget for the team, let alone attempting to get a little bit more. They don't exactly have the money to just load up on some nice, big charters and head nearly 4 hours down to houston, or head 6 hours to face Judson. You stick to the games that will not only be financially beneficial (West Monroe at Independence Stadium is a pretty big moneymaker) and won't drain your budget, and you stick the the games that you know you will ALWAYS play (Marshall...I don't care if they move down to 3A.)

That is all.

[lonny23]

First of all, Longview will ALWAYS play Marshall. I think Coach King, Pat Collins, and everyone else in the Atheltic Dept. could care less what you on a forum have to say about them playing a 4A team. That is a near 100 year (that we know of) rivalry that will continue on until one of the schools is burned or shut down (not gonna happen).

Also, it comes down to money. You list these schools like Judson, Katy, North Shore, Copperas Cove, SLC, etc. You know what these schools have in common?? They have wealth in the district, and a lot of it. I know Collins fights each year just keep the same amount in the budget for the team, let alone attempting to get a little bit more. They don't exactly have the money to just load up on some nice, big charters and head nearly 4 hours down to houston, or head 6 hours to face Judson. You stick to the games that will not only be financially beneficial (West Monroe at Independence Stadium is a pretty big moneymaker) and won't drain your budget, and you stick the the games that you know you will ALWAYS play (Marshall...I don't care if they move down to 3A.)

That is all.
They probably will always play them. When I was younger, I thought Mt. Pleasant should always play Pittsburg and Daingerfield, but that's not good for them. It's good for Marshall to play Longview, but not vice-versa. I like the Lobos, not the Mavericks (especially since they took one from Judson, but the Permian victory was OK!)

My parents house is about 2 miles from Lobo Stadium and it's the city's fault they don't have more money. If city management wasn't so crappy, the town would have more businesses, more people, higher property values, and more tax revenue.

[BigArab]

I dont' know about that. I think that city, in itself, has more businesses per capita than any other town I've seen. But regardless, it isn't necessarily the City's fault. When you have 50 percent or more of your schools population living in a low-income family, then yeah, the district isn't going to have a whole lot of money either.There has been talkin recent year of the combination of the school districts, but I don't really see it happening. Pine Tree is a little self-centered and I dont' think they'd EVER want to share resources with LISD.

[lonny23]

I dont' know about that. I think that city, in itself, has more businesses per capita than any other town I've seen. But regardless, it isn't necessarily the City's fault. When you have 50 percent or more of your schools population living in a low-income family, then yeah, the district isn't going to have a whole lot of money either.There has been talkin recent year of the combination of the school districts, but I don't really see it happening. Pine Tree is a little self-centered and I dont' think they'd EVER want to share resources with LISD.
It's true that there is a LOT of low income housing in the district, but they have some nice homes, too. Pine Tree should've never been split off and I doubt they come back. Don't count on Spring Hill either.

[bleedgreen]

I must admit you haven't said much this year. You said more last year about the Lobos, but that might've been mostly to combat what I was saying! :D
you nailed it right on the head, Lonny......plus, it's just a plain waste of good oxygen, LOL......................

[gritty52]

Hey draronfan why do you have to drag Trinity in on this thread? We probably won't get to play yaw, but I think we are in you guys head already!! I've noticed on a couple of threads where Trinity is mentioned mostly by you SLC folks. What's the deal? I'm not chest thumping or nothing like that, but I would like tangle with SLC just to see how we are. Yaw might kill us who knows. :)

[dragonfootballfan]

Hey draronfan why do you have to drag Trinity in on this thread? We probably won't get to play yaw, but I think we are in you guys head already!! I've noticed on a couple of threads where Trinity is mentioned mostly by you SLC folks. What's the deal? I'm not chest thumping or nothing like that, but I would like tangle with SLC just to see how we are. Yaw might kill us who knows. :)
you are in Carroll's head? Trinity is the team obsessed with getting to play Carroll. Carroll could care less

[gritty52]

Yeah and I got swampland in Arizona for you. Are you draronfan?? I know a couple of your players and they are anxcious too!! :)

[dragonfootballfan]

Yeah and I got swampland in Arizona for you. Are you draronfan?? I know a couple of your players and they are anxcious too!! :)
each year there is a team that wants a piece of Carroll and only one time has that team beaten them. I am not draronfan. Look at my sn

[dragonsdaddy]

i almost guarantee that playing et doesn't come thru a single player's head during the week. watching teams on the weekend hs extra shows makes one think, but when you are the man(see the decal on the face sheet) you have a target on your back. focussing on/beating this weeks opponent is paramount and that is why they don't lose very often. gl to et. if the cards fall askewed this month, we'll have a much ballyhooed game in 5 weeks, about 5 weeks too early.

[gritty52]

If it happens think the game will be at Texas stadium or where? I know it's lonely at the top (SLC) and try my best to defend the metroplex teams when people get on them. These are kids and I bet they (both teams) think about playing each other all the time. You got to admit it will be a dickens of a game. I bet 20-25 thousand will show up. People from all over are saying they will come. My apologies for talking about this on the Longview thread!!!!! :)

[dragonsdaddy]

it would definitely be at ts, and i wouldn't be surprised to have 35+. still doubt it'll happen as gvine isn't very good. they can make the "experts" look silly with a win this week. still won't clinch it, but would go a long way.

[gritty52]

Will the colleyville vs. Grapevine at the end of the season have a say about this whole mess??

[dragonsdaddy]

it may very well be the deciding game. i wish someone in the know would post the tie-breakers for 5-5a.

[BigArab]

It's true that there is a LOT of low income housing in the district, but they have some nice homes, too. Pine Tree should've never been split off and I doubt they come back. Don't count on Spring Hill either.

PT and SHISD were never a part of LISD. They were individual towns that were assimilated into the city of Longview, just like Greggton and Judson were its own townships. Next town that appears to be getting close to assimilation is White Oak. Maybe Hallsville after that, We're getting really close to New Diana as well.

[SFAlobo]

When are you East Texas guys going to learn to look outside ET when making comments? The Woodlands played both Katy and North Shore. Judson played Pflugerville and Copperas Cove. Other teams have played good schedules, too. It amazes me how ET guys can only see and think what ET does.

Hey, I'm not trying so much to pick on you as I'm making a general statement about what ET guys say.

Regardless of that...you have named TWO programs....if the state only had five I guess this will be significant...but my point is this SAME Lobo team won 12 straight games before they lost to Lufkin last...they don't have to beat themselves up trying to make YOU think they are legitamite program...the goal starts after week 10...say what you want abt lookin too far ahead but i can asure a district championship really doesnt mean too much at this point with this team. Besides if Judson or TW were solid contenders this year i guess it would matter...but o well.

[DragonFan]

Gritty,

I brough up ET because of the comment that SLC has not played anybody and the Longview has not played anybody. Teams that are beating other teams soundly will always be downgraded by people saying that they have not played anybody yet! ET has the same type of numbers for points scored and points against as SLC and Longview.

I still say that a District championship means nothing because it assures you of nothing except a chance to play a team that was not a district champion. However if both Districts Champs go D1 then you will have a game of district champions. It is my contention that the regular season is just a preseason for the 5 or 6 game post season that gets most of us excited! Nobody really cares about the remaining districts games, most people are getting ready for the possible matchups in the playoffs. That is not to say that the district games are meaningless because you have to have one of the top 3 districts records to be able to participate in the post season festivities.

[Kingwolf]

not played anybody??????

show me a Marshall or West Monroe on SLC's schedule....both are 6-1 and West Monroe is averaging more than 40 a game since we beat them....

I am not saying who you played means anything, but come on man give us a little credit......

[drgnbkr]

not played anybody??????

show me a Marshall or West Monroe on SLC's schedule....both are 6-1 and West Monroe is averaging more than 40 a game since we beat them....

I am not saying who you played means anything, but come on man give us a little credit......

I usually like your posts kingwolf, but is Marshall a 5-A team? Why are you bringing them up? Beat Lufkin & your on to something....

[dragonfootballfan]

not played anybody??????

show me a Marshall or West Monroe on SLC's schedule....both are 6-1 and West Monroe is averaging more than 40 a game since we beat them....

I am not saying who you played means anything, but come on man give us a little credit......
we have been over this before. One is from Louisiana, One is in 4A. Those teams are not exactly playing top notch competition either.

[BigArab]

I usually like your posts kingwolf, but is Marshall a 5-A team? Why are you bringing them up? Beat Lufkin & your on to something....

Evvvverrytime.

Beat Lufkin

Beat Lufkin


Beat Lufkin

You guys can't think of anything else to bring down the good program Longview has. :rolleyes:

[dragonfootballfan]

Evvvverrytime.

Beat Lufkin

Beat Lufkin


Beat Lufkin

You guys can't think of anything else to bring down the good program Longview has. :rolleyes:
we aren't bringing you down just saying you aren't all-world

[BigArab]

we aren't bringing you down just saying you aren't all-world

and SLC is?

[dragonfootballfan]

and SLC is?
SLC has a better resume than Longview and you cannot refute that. You guys act as if you are the one with the championships when in fact you have lost to the same team 9 straight times

[BigArab]

SLC has a better resume than Longview and you cannot refute that. You guys act as if you are the one with the championships when in fact you have lost to the same team 9 straight times

There are other teams outside of Carroll.

[dragonfootballfan]

There are other teams outside of Carroll.
Ya and there are other teams outside of Longview.

[BigArab]

Ya and there are other teams outside of Longview.

I am aware.

I've been giving every team props, including yours, but every time I enter a thread with a Lobo faithful stating cold hard facts of our play against other teams (39 ppg. vs. 9 ppg.) the first thing I read is a Lufkin or SLC fan stating "Beat Lufkin first" or "Win a Championshpi first". Get over yourselves.

Hey Lufkin...beat SLC first, then come talk.

[LPFAN]

I am aware.

I've been giving every team props, including yours, but every time I enter a thread with a Lobo faithful stating cold hard facts of our play against other teams (39 ppg. vs. 9 ppg.) the first thing I read is a Lufkin or SLC fan stating "Beat Lufkin first" or "Win a Championshpi first". Get over yourselves.

Hey Lufkin...beat SLC first, then come talk.
Well if we do ever beat them why would we need to come talk to you? Are you in some kind of club of Elite teams that have a mythical victory over the Dragons. I mean heck the way some of your fans talk you have already beaten them with your stats and strength of schedule. Man you guys are so fixated on numbers and strength of schedule etc. that it is getting sickening. I have seen teams with less impressive stats and schedules that go and win it all. That is what matters in the end. In the end the only thing that matters is the state title for 2005. Just get it done this year. That is all there is to it. I know Longview has the team to do it. All eyes are on you to see if you will actually do it. Let the kids do it on the field because God knows that the State Title is not won in a football forum.

[BigArab]

Well if we do ever beat them why would we need to come talk to you? Are you in some kind of club of Elite teams that have a mythical victory over the Dragons. I mean heck the way some of your fans talk you have already beaten them with your stats and strength of schedule. Man you guys are so fixated on numbers and strength of schedule etc. that it is getting sickening. I have seen teams with less impressive stats and schedules that go and win it all. That is what matters in the end. In the end the only thing that matters is the state title for 2005. Just get it done this year. That is all there is to it. I know Longview has the team to do it. All eyes are on you to see if you will actually do it. Let the kids do it on the field because God knows that the State Title is not won in a football forum.

You're so busy shooting down anything a Lobo fan says, that you fail to see that both SLC and Lufkin fans are acting as if their past championships dictate this year. So quick to jump on a Lobo fan excited about the team we have this year and say "Beat us first!". Living in the past? Yes. Contradiction? I think so.

[LPFAN]

You're so busy shooting down anything a Lobo fan says, that you fail to see that both SLC and Lufkin fans are acting as if their past championships dictate this year. So quick to jump on a Lobo fan excited about the team we have this year and say "Beat us first!". Living in the past? Yes. Contradiction? I think so.
You might want to check your facts on that one buddy because I have never said such a thing as "beat us first." If you have ever seen my past messages you will see that I think it is possible for Lufkin to be beat on any given night to any team. I felt the same way the year they won state and every year since then too. Every time we played Longview I never had a "we got this game in the bag" attitude. I always knew going in that you guys could have beaten us and I knew that you guys would usually be some of the toughest competition that Lufkin would face. I will have that same attitude towards you this year if we even make it that far. I have done nothing but give the LOBO team respect this year but it is some of the CLUELESS fans that I respond to that bring up last year and all the excuses etc. If I was a LOBO fan I would be just as proud as most of you but I would not all of the sudden jump on the bandwagon and act like we were UNSTOPPABLE and then go as far as to make excuses for past performances. Remember that the maximum range for an excuse is ZERO!!!

[lonny23]

Regardless of that...you have named TWO programs....if the state only had five I guess this will be significant...but my point is this SAME Lobo team won 12 straight games before they lost to Lufkin last...they don't have to beat themselves up trying to make YOU think they are legitamite program...the goal starts after week 10...say what you want abt lookin too far ahead but i can asure a district championship really doesnt mean too much at this point with this team. Besides if Judson or TW were solid contenders this year i guess it would matter...but o well.
I just named the one's off the top of my head. There are others. As far as the contender part, those 2 teams just might be sitting in the semis in December.

I said nothing about Longview not being legitimate. All I said was that ET fans are tunnel-visioned to their area. I guess I shouldn't say anything, because there are a lot of fans who do that.

[lonny23]

not played anybody??????

show me a Marshall or West Monroe on SLC's schedule....both are 6-1 and West Monroe is averaging more than 40 a game since we beat them....

I am not saying who you played means anything, but come on man give us a little credit......
Marshall is a real good 4A program, which is a little less than the top 5A teams. They're above the West Monroe and Evangel teams that are overrated by some Longview fans and unjudgable against Texas teams in comparisons.

[SFAlobo]

I just named the one's off the top of my head. There are others. As far as the contender part, those 2 teams just might be sitting in the semis in December.

I said nothing about Longview not being legitimate. All I said was that ET fans are tunnel-visioned to their area. I guess I shouldn't say anything, because there are a lot of fans who do that.

Any team has the potetial to be in the semi's...If the predictions hold up...if Judson gets passed Clemens...their is no one to stop them after the first round from going deep. TW(LOL) good program...but not this year. ET doesn't only look at ET...i think you can only speak on what you have observed...and their arent that many teams that do that...and if you read my post i said one at the most so i didnt say i was not plausable.

[lonny23]

Any team has the potetial to be in the semi's...If the predictions hold up...if Judson gets passed Clemens...their is no one to stop them after the first round from going deep. TW(LOL) good program...but not this year. ET doesn't only look at ET...i think you can only speak on what you have observed...and their arent that many teams that do that...and if you read my post i said one at the most so i didnt say i was not plausable.
The Woodlands is not at the same level as previous years, but they catch a break by being D1 and might be able to squeeze off a semifinal appearance.

[Kingwolf]

West monroe has a good history, they beat the crap out of Benson's Midland team...2 mythical national titles, many state titles....they have a good team, lack overall speed...they also have a winning record against TX teams and have beaten some very good ones...they have an I cant beat ECA bug like my Lobos do against Lufkin...would like to see some more texas teams go over there and play them, i bet you will be surprised.....also, just because you can't compare them, doesn't mean they don't count b/c that night they sure as heck tried to take it to us....

Marshall is 4a, but i have no doubt that they could play with a lot of top 5a teams...and don't forget this 4a school has gotten it done in 5a...they finally have a coach who can use the talent.......

not trying to argue, just kinda suprised by the we haven't played anybody remark....

don't believe we are all world...have a problem with the leap frog in the polls this past week...have said time and time again that i think we DO have to earn our respect but I KNOW we have beaten some good teams....

only jump to defend my team when they are needlessly discredited....

btw those two mentioned above, win state titles...WM won't even be challenged.........

ohh yeah, you definitely know I don't think ECA is any good this year.........

[lonny23]

West monroe has a good history, they beat the crap out of Benson's Midland team...2 mythical national titles, many state titles....they have a good team, lack overall speed...they also have a winning record against TX teams and have beaten some very good ones...they have an I cant beat ECA bug like my Lobos do against Lufkin...would like to see some more texas teams go over there and play them, i bet you will be surprised.....also, just because you can't compare them, doesn't mean they don't count b/c that night they sure as heck tried to take it to us....

Marshall is 4a, but i have no doubt that they could play with a lot of top 5a teams...and don't forget this 4a school has gotten it done in 5a...they finally have a coach who can use the talent.......

not trying to argue, just kinda suprised by the we haven't played anybody remark....

don't believe we are all world...have a problem with the leap frog in the polls this past week...have said time and time again that i think we DO have to earn our respect but I KNOW we have beaten some good teams....

only jump to defend my team when they are needlessly discredited....

btw those two mentioned above, win state titles...WM won't even be challenged.........

ohh yeah, you definitely know I don't think ECA is any good this year.........
I don't want to leave the impression that you haven't played anybody because you did play decent teams. I just wanted to say that the competition as stated by one of your fellow posters was overrated. West Monroe and Evangel are far from bad, but they're no competiton for a top Longview team.

[BigArab]

I don't want to leave the impression that you haven't played anybody because you did play decent teams. I just wanted to say that the competition as stated by one of your fellow posters was overrated. West Monroe and Evangel are far from bad, but they're no competiton for a top Longview team.

Well honestly, who is good competition, within reason, for the team this year?

[lonny23]

Well honestly, who is good competition, within reason, for the team this year?
Nobody in the first 10 games or the first 2 playoff games! It's not Longview's fault they're so good. They could've played better teams in the state, but it takes 2 to tango. Playing Evangel and West Monroe is still better than somebody like Nacogdoches or Chapel Hill.

[BigArab]

Nobody in the first 10 games or the first 2 playoff games! It's not Longview's fault they're so good. They could've played better teams in the state, but it takes 2 to tango. Playing Evangel and West Monroe is still better than somebody like Nacogdoches or Chapel Hill.

Yep! The main thing that sets this team, and teams like Lufkin, SLC, and Euless apart from the rest is how much PT their backups are getting against pretty decent competition. That's going to be the HUGE difference maker in the playoffs. These teams will be able to seamlessly sub in an out, getting fresh legs in without worrying about inexperience.

[lonny23]

Yep! The main thing that sets this team, and teams like Lufkin, SLC, and Euless apart from the rest is how much PT their backups are getting against pretty decent competition. That's going to be the HUGE difference maker in the playoffs. These teams will be able to seamlessly sub in an out, getting fresh legs in without worrying about inexperience.
Longview is greatly at risk to lose to a real good team that has had harder games. You're more likely to have starters that aren't fully prepared for the playoffs than to have a seamless team of everybody clicking come playoff time. That's what Coach King has to guard against. The Lobos might not answer the bell when needed if they don't have hard games.

[BigArab]

Longview is greatly at risk to lose to a real good team that has had harder games. You're more likely to have starters that aren't fully prepared for the playoffs than to have a seamless team of everybody clicking come playoff time. That's what Coach King has to guard against. The Lobos might not answer the bell when needed if they don't have hard games.

I've been thinking about that for a while. That's why I hope that Rockwall, NM, or JT give us a game. I want for all our starters to play the whole game for once.

You can always count on Ivory and McGee to bring their A game, but I think that this line full of new starters and the receiver Robinson may be unconditioned come playoff time. Ah well, I think they'll get it together no matter what.

I think the main thing is King is guarding himself against situations from last year and the year before as the O.C. He lost veteran starters and had to go out on a limb with new guys. We lost our two best defenders in the second game, but our defense has still been smashing it up. When one of the comes back in the next few weeks, it'll be like he never left.

[lonny23]

I've been thinking about that for a while. That's why I hope that Rockwall, NM, or JT give us a game. I want for all our starters to play the whole game for once.

You can always count on Ivory and McGee to bring their A game, but I think that this line full of new starters and the receiver Robinson may be unconditioned come playoff time. Ah well, I think they'll get it together no matter what.

I think the main thing is King is guarding himself against situations from last year and the year before as the O.C. He lost veteran starters and had to go out on a limb with new guys. We lost our two best defenders in the second game, but our defense has still been smashing it up. When one of the comes back in the next few weeks, it'll be like he never left.
North Shore is the best example of a team who isn't prepared for the playoffs most years. Clemens is in the same boat in 25-5A.

[dragonfootballfan]

Yep! The main thing that sets this team, and teams like Lufkin, SLC, and Euless apart from the rest is how much PT their backups are getting against pretty decent competition. That's going to be the HUGE difference maker in the playoffs. These teams will be able to seamlessly sub in an out, getting fresh legs in without worrying about inexperience.
for the first 6 games this season almost every backup has been rotated in for Carroll. They were not rotated in the fourth quarter when the game was already put away, they were rotated since the first quarter giving the players actual game experience.

[SFAlobo]

How can you say that the team is not prepared for the playoffs?....this is the same team from last year.

[BigArab]

for the first 6 games this season almost every backup has been rotated in for Carroll. They were not rotated in the fourth quarter when the game was already put away, they were rotated since the first quarter giving the players actual game experience.

Hence, backup are getting PT...

[dragonfootballfan]

Hence, backup are getting PT...
I just reread your post and I misunderstood what you said and I apologize. I thought you said what sets Longview apart from the teams you listed when in actuality you said that all the teams you listeds as well as Longview. Once again I apologize.

[BigArab]

I just reread your post and I misunderstood what you said and I apologize. I thought you said what sets Longview apart from the teams you listed when in actuality you said that all the teams you listeds as well as Longview. Once again I apologize.

No worries. I'm not a Lobobot. Lol...I give credit where credit is due.