best defense in the state after 9 games

[katy_dynasty]

who has the best defense in the state ??? maybe stats or just opionion my vote is KATY of course

[mad_fan]

who has the best defense in the state ??? maybe stats or just opionion my vote is KATY of course

I see your homer pick and raise you one San Antonio Madison...:D

[The Great Evaluator]

1)katy
2)permian
3)trinity
4)abilene
5)madison

[katy_dynasty]

katys defense:

avg points a game- 6.1
total yards a game-232.1
first downs a game-10.1
rushing yards a game-111.2
avg rush-2.9
rush tds game-0.4
pass yrds-120.9
pass avg- 5.4
pass tds game-0.4
int a game-1.4
fumbles a game-1.7

[jbusch]

katys defense:

avg points a game- 6.1
total yards a game-232.1
first downs a game-10.1
rushing yards a game-111.2
avg rush-2.9
rush tds game-0.4
pass yrds-120.9
pass avg- 5.4
pass tds game-0.4
int a game-1.4
fumbles a game-1.7

Let's cancel the playoffs and send the hardware to Katy

[katy_dynasty]

I see your homer pick and raise you one San Antonio Madison...:D

show the stats lol

[katy_dynasty]

Let's cancel the playoffs and send the hardware to Katy

i agree

[mad_fan]

Madison has play 10 games...do we still qualify for this thread???:)

I believe we gave 94 points this season...

[ruffshod]

I can't say they are the best in the state, but Westfield's the best I've seen this year so far.

[katy_dynasty]

Madison has play 10 games...do we still qualify for this thread???:)

I believe we gave 94 points this season...

katys given up 61 total points in 9 games

http://http://www.katyathleticboosterclub.org/katyfootball.htm

[katy_dynasty]

http://www.katyathleticboosterclub.org/katyfootball.htm


this should work and click on team stats

[mad_fan]

katys given up 61 total points in 9 games

http://http://www.katyathleticboosterclub.org/katyfootball.htm

Too bad they dont play in the 265...;)

[SMC020]

Too bad they dont play in the 265...;)

Ain't that the truth :eek:

[shooter]

who has the best defense in the state ??? maybe stats or just opionion my vote is KATY of course

What the Madison defense did to the 265 was very impressive. Not one team scored more than 15 offensive points against the Mavs this season through 10 games. They will have to carry the load for the Mavs to get anywhere in the playoffs. As for constancy of play against quality opponents I think anyone would be hard pressed to not take a look at Madison defense. If you dig deep the Mavs gave up a total of 60 meaningful points over 10 games this season. Here are some highlights

Seguin - 0 points - Shutout at Matador stadium
O'Connor - 15 points - Scored 2 TDs and converted a 2point conversion the most any offence has posted this year against the Mavs.
Wagner - 7 points - Scored in the last 2min of the game
Lee - 0 points - Second Shut out and Lees only time they did not score this year.
Smithson Valley - 14 points - Shut out at Ranger stadium for the second half of the game.
Reagan - 14 points - Shut out for the second half of the game.
Judson - 20 points - One TD scored on Fumble return defense gave up 1TD and 2 FG in loss.
Churchill - 14 points
MacArthur - 0 Points - Third shut out of the season
Roosevelt - 10 points - one 4th quarter TD.

Looking at Katy in comparison I would have to say Madison has had much tougher road but both defenses have done equally well.

Just for argument sake Katy’s Strength of schedule is 130th in the state while Madison is ranked 28th.

[katy_dynasty]

Ain't that the truth :eek:

i think we could hang and possibly come out undefeated

[katy_dynasty]

What the Madison defense did to the 265 was very impressive. Not one team scored more than 15 offensive points against the Mavs this season through 10 games. They will have to carry the load for the Mavs to get anywhere in the playoffs. As for constancy of play against quality opponents I think anyone would be hard pressed to not take a look at Madison defense. If you dig deep the Mavs gave up a total of 60 meaningful points over 10 games this season. Here are some highlights

Seguin - 0 points - Shutout at Matador stadium
O'Connor - 15 points - Scored 2 TDs and converted a 2point conversion the most any offence has posted this year against the Mavs.
Wagner - 7 points - Scored in the last 2min of the game
Lee - 0 points - Second Shut out and Lees only time they did not score this year.
Smithson Valley - 14 points - Shut out at Ranger stadium for the second half of the game.
Reagan - 14 points - Shut out for the second half of the game.
Judson - 20 points - One TD scored on Fumble return defense gave up 1TD and 2 FG in loss.
Churchill - 14 points
MacArthur - 0 Points - Third shut out of the season
Roosevelt - 10 points - one 4th quarter TD.

Looking at Katy in comparison I would have to say Madison has had much tougher road but both defenses have done equally well.

Just for argument sake Katy’s Strength of schedule is 130th in the state while Madison is ranked 28th.

i knew madisons defense was really good and maybe the best in the state
what a great matchup katy and sa mad. would be...

[SMC020]

i knew madisons defense was really good and maybe the best in the state
what a great matchup katy and sa mad. would be...

I would love to see this. Is Katy a D-2 school?

[shooter]

katys defense:

avg points a game- 6.1
total yards a game-232.1
first downs a game-10.1
rushing yards a game-111.2
avg rush-2.9
rush tds game-0.4
pass yrds-120.9
pass avg- 5.4
pass tds game-0.4
int a game-1.4
fumbles a game-1.7

Madison Through 9 Games (i have not figured out last nights game yet)
avg points a game- 9.33
total yards a game-227.4
first downs a game-11.4
rushing yards a game-109.8
avg rush-3.66
rush tds game- Not tracked
pass yrds-117.7
pass avg- 5.4
pass tds game-Not Tracked
int a game- 6 total all year
fumbles a game- 12 total all year (this is fumble Recovery)

But Madison was playing cupcakes like Judson, Smithson Valley, Reagan an O'Connor all year.

[katy_dynasty]

katy has 13 ints and 15 fumbles total

[shooter]

Madison Through 9 Games (i have not figured out last nights game yet)
avg points a game- 9.33
total yards a game-227.4
first downs a game-11.4
rushing yards a game-109.8
avg rush-3.66
rush tds game- Not tracked
pass yrds-117.7
pass avg- 5.4
pass tds game-Not Tracked
int a game- 6 total all year
fumbles a game- 12 total all year (this is fumble Recovery)

But Madison was playing cupcakes like Judson, Smithson Valley, Reagan an O'Connor all year.

last night Madison went
Points - 10
yards - 174
first downs -10
rushing yards -114
avg rush-3
rush tds - 1
pass yrds- 60
pass avg- 10
pass tds - 0
int - 3 Green, McLean and Lambeth (For TD)
fumbles a game- 1

[kttigersrock]

Is Katy a D-2 school?

Yes

[SMC020]

Yes

Great....then they can meet up correct?

[Fleeman93]

Great....then they can meet up correct?

If Madison can beat SV again, which I don't think they will.

[shooter]

Great....then they can meet up correct?

At this point I think San Marcos has a better shot at seeing Katy

[kttigersrock]

Great....then they can meet up correct?

Could be. Lot of football to be played between now and then though.

[mojoman21]

its hard to tell who has the best defense because of the different teams each team plays. for example, permian has played a lot of pass happy teams, and katy plays a lot more run teams i believe. permian has basically shut down the run all year, and had a little more trouble against the pass.

[shooter]

its hard to tell who has the best defense because of the different teams each team plays. for example, permian has played a lot of pass happy teams, and katy plays a lot more run teams i believe. permian has basically shut down the run all year, and had a little more trouble against the pass.

I would love to see mojo's stats. mojoman do you have them?

[mojoman21]

i don't but i bet odessapermian.com has them. he knows everything.:eek:

[Fleeman93]

Katy's defense looked unreal early on in the season, but as of late they have turned into a typical bend don't break Katy defense. You might get yards on them, but you aren't going to put up a lot of points. Katy has a huge turnover margin which really helps a lot.

[katy_dynasty]

wells if u find them link it on here id like to see permians stats

[katy_dynasty]

Katy's defense looked unreal early on in the season, but as of late they have turned into a typical bend don't break Katy defense. You might get yards on them, but you aren't going to put up a lot of points. Katy has a huge turnover margin which really helps a lot.

there was some blown coverage in the second half but elsiks rec. just dropped them we need to fix it and good job at shutting down texas commit jeremy hills

[Fleeman93]

Against Hastings Katy gave up butt loads of yards, but only 13 points. I will take that all day long if forced to.

[KT2000]

Katy's played two straight ahead running teams in a row and as a result the defense has been on the field much longer than they had to be against all the spread teams they played early on. Teams have taken their 3-4 yards a pop and the occasional explosive play, but they haven't managed to score often. Katy's defense is improved over where it was a few weeks ago. The stats don't look as impressive because they played different style teams the last couple of weeks.

Of course, like most debates, the best defense is subjective. Not all the DFW teams play Houston teams, etc. so there isn't a direct comparison unless they are playing each other.

Competition should be taken into consideration. I think Katy's defense is very legit based on what I've seen from them, but I know there are other very good units.

Trinity and Westfield are really playing well right now. I wouldn't want any part of those two in the playoffs. Permian's been consistently good all year as well.

[katy_dynasty]

i agree but when we start playing better teams in the playoffs they will capitalize on the mistakes our secondary makes

[Clements Football]

I would think it would be tough to say who has the best defense in High School. I know alot of teams, when there is a 1st half blowout, the 2nd/3rd teamers get in there at some point in the 3rd quarter and maybe give up some points/yardage, that the 1st team wouldn't have allowed. I would have to make a guess, that teams that are undefeated or just have one loss, have a damn good defense.

[Mavericks66]

I'm gonna have to say, In my honest opinion...

That its between Madison and Katy.

My defense for Madison being the best is that they have faced multiple high class offense units and held them to their lowest.

They held Marcus Wright to a shutout in the second half, and only allowed one huge run.


They held Jerome Tiller (Lee D1 Committ) to NO POINTS

They Held the Smithson Valley Offense (Rios, Pawaleck, #4) To 14 Points


yeah.... I'm probably gonna have to say Madison. They have held tough during these tough times for Madison.

[mojoman21]

you also have to consider permian's first d doesn't usually play after the 3rd quarter. i'm sure a lot of teams pull there starters early.

[Mojo89]

Some of Permians stats...

Scoring defense: 11 ppg
Total defense: 228 ypg
pass defense: 132 ypg
Rush defense: 96 ypg

They have played two top ten opponents as well.

For Mojo even to be considered in a poll like this is something I thought I would never see again.

[t-long20]

At this point I think San Marcos has a better shot at seeing Katy

are you saying that because of injuries

[jbusch]

Let's really jam this up with statistics. some of the responses are using total points as the factor tha yards, them type of teams playing.
I'm from the school where you can "prove" alot of things with selected stats

These stats, available other places on this web site, relate the following

Points Agaist Per Game

Top 4

Katy 6.8
Dallas Skyline 6.9
SA Warren 7.0
ET 8.2

lets add OP for fun as they have spoken up in the thread
SLC- ya know we love ya but Offense is your weapon and the topic is defense

OP rated 18th at 12.7 PAPG

case closed ??? - not so fast

Strengh of Schedule


Katy 141st
Skyline 216th
Warren 199th
ET 62nd
OP 44th

Okay #1,2,& 3 have weaker schedules than ET

Points given up in last 4 games

Skyline 0
ET 17
Katy 44
Warren 45
OP 55

Some could argue that Katy's "D" is regressing because after 5 games they had about a 4 PAPG, now the have "Ballooned up" to almost 7, While ET has went from a 20 PAPG after 2 games to a little over 8 for the season and 4 PAPG over the last 4 games.


What does this all mean? - Well - it's why we play the games

[texalaska]

Using your list Jbusch:

Katy
Skyline
Warren
ET
OP

How many touchdowns have these defenses made?
Not set up - but the defense actually made a touchdown?

Everyone feel free to pitch in - I do not know the answer.

[NSStangs#1fan]

Hmmm... I wonder how long it'a gonna take the Pearland posters to show up!

[LPMOM]

i agree katy is really good but i would have to say lufkin is also playing some good defense.

[shooter]

Let's really jam this up with statistics. some of the responses are using total points as the factor tha yards, them type of teams playing.
I'm from the school where you can "prove" alot of things with selected stats

These stats, available other places on this web site, relate the following

Points Agaist Per Game

Top 4

Katy 6.8
Dallas Skyline 6.9
SA Warren 7.0
ET 8.2

lets add OP for fun as they have spoken up in the thread
SLC- ya know we love ya but Offense is your weapon and the topic is defense

OP rated 18th at 12.7 PAPG

case closed ??? - not so fast

Strengh of Schedule


Katy 141st
Skyline 216th
Warren 199th
ET 62nd
OP 44th

Okay #1,2,& 3 have weaker schedules than ET

Points given up in last 4 games

Skyline 0
ET 17
Katy 44
Warren 45
OP 55

Some could argue that Katy's "D" is regressing because after 5 games they had about a 4 PAPG, now the have "Ballooned up" to almost 7, While ET has went from a 20 PAPG after 2 games to a little over 8 for the season and 4 PAPG over the last 4 games.


What does this all mean? - Well - it's why we play the games

Why did you leave off Madison?

[shooter]

Using your list Jbusch:

Katy
Skyline
Warren
ET
OP

How many touchdowns have these defenses made?
Not set up - but the defense actually made a touchdown?

Everyone feel free to pitch in - I do not know the answer.

madison's defense has scored 2 INTs returned for TD. One Fumble recovery for a TD and one blocked punt returned for a TD

[jbusch]

Why did you leave off Madison?

two reasons -

1.) Lazy

2). SA Madison is #6 I just took the Top 4 & OP because I am a ET Bigot and didn't want anything to disprove my use of certain stats to make ET look like the best.:D Using SA may have hurt my argument. ( they have a 34 Strength of schedule )

I hope you take this with a grain of salt I'm just trying to show the twisted use of stats.

[jbusch]

Using your list Jbusch:

Katy
Skyline
Warren
ET
OP

How many touchdowns have these defenses made?
Not set up - but the defense actually made a touchdown?

Everyone feel free to pitch in - I do not know the answer.

also you need to look at how many points were scored by the oppositions defense. For instance the SGP defense scored on a fumble recovery against ET, those 7 points should not be reflected against how good our defense is.

Do you see how skewered this can get?

[mad_fan]

two reasons -

1.) Lazy

2). SA Madison is #6 I just took the Top 4 & OP because I am a ET Bigot and didn't want anything to disprove my use of certain stats to make ET look like the best.:D Using SA may have hurt my argument. ( they have a 34 Strength of schedule )

I hope you take this with a grain of salt I'm just trying to show the twisted use of stats.

I took it that way when you posted it...nice work...:D

[shooter]

two reasons -

1.) Lazy

2). SA Madison is #6 I just took the Top 4 & OP because I am a ET Bigot and didn't want anything to disprove my use of certain stats to make ET look like the best.:D Using SA may have hurt my argument. ( they have a 34 Strength of schedule )

I hope you take this with a grain of salt I'm just trying to show the twisted use of stats.

I'll take it as a backhand

[texalaska]

also you need to look at how many points were scored by the oppositions defense. For instance the SGP defense scored on a fumble recovery against ET, those 7 points should not be reflected against how good our defense is.

Do you see how skewered this can get?

I do and I understand.

But...I am still curious how many TD's the defenses of the teams you listed made this season.

I think I narrowed Katy's down (it wasn't easy) to 2 TD's made by defense.
1) Terrance Frederick made a 33 yard TD run on an interception - A&M Con.
2) Brad Graham - another TD run on an interception - last night Elsik game.

Did I mention special teams?.....do NOT even go there.

Tex

[CyFallsMom]

Let's cancel the playoffs and send the hardware to Katy

LOL - this post is made at least once a year. I guess when you have the history they have, they have some bragging rights so that's okay. They do have a great defense this year judging by the stats but there are so many variables and like Clements says - how do you decide who has the best? It is subjective in many cases. You have to look at who the team has played...and not just listen to us fans saying that our teams have played a "tough" schedule - have to look at what the teams they have played, especially early on, have done recently now that the season is in full bloom. What were the variables in those games they have played - what was the weather like, what sort of offense were they going up against, did 2nd and 3rd teams play on either side, were the bands good at halftime (just making sure you are listening:))?

Yes, Katy definitely has one of the best in the state as does Lufkin, SLC, Permian, Westfield, etc. The only way to show or prove who has the best defense is to win and get to the pinnacle. Like I said in another thread, it looks like many offenses are outplaying defenses enough to win and 1 point just about does it last time I looked. Each game is a different animal.

By the way, that's the first post on Katy I've made in weeks since the fallout - It's near playoff season but I promise I will try to be nice the rest of the way:D

[HeadHunter21]

Madison's Dfence Is The Best I Have Seen In A While....

Fast And There All Good Tacklers And Force Turnovrz

[eagleswoop#1]

Ike's defense has given up only 9 points per game since the district season started.

[Pearland Longhorn]

Hmmm... I wonder how long it'a gonna take the Pearland posters to show up!

Our defense is good but we don't belong in this discussion. Our offense doesn't stay on the field long enough. Our D probably spends way more time on the field compared to the teams being discussed in this thread.

[fitz400]

our front 7 is definately not as good as these teams. but our secondary....maybe

[Warriorman]

I wonder what they mean by other on this poll to vote is it just anybody else...?

[cyfallsbooster2]

Let's cancel the playoffs and send the hardware to Katy

Let's not. Last year's Katy team had even better stats I believe.:D

[Fleeman93]

Let's not. Last year's Katy team had even better stats I believe.:D


As did Cedar Hill. :D

[cyfallsbooster2]

As did Cedar Hill. :D

:confused:

[Falcon16]

Stats smats the PO will decide who has the best team each week. I think the trophy will be in R3 this year either in 17-5a or 18-5a.
I pick Cy Falls but if Katy wins I will be alright with that.

[jbusch]

Our defense is good but we don't belong in this discussion. Our offense doesn't stay on the field long enough. Our D probably spends way more time on the field compared to the teams being discussed in this thread.


Another good point that skewers the stats

[Fleeman93]

Let's not. Last year's Katy team had even better stats I believe.:D

:confused:

[The Warrior]

Other seems to be doing well in this poll. Maybe more teams should be on it?:)

[LufkinPanther09]

Lufkin has the best defense in the state.

[trojanbacker]

Not sure about total defense but I think Trinity's run defense is as good as anyone's in the state. With last Friday night's game ( -5 yards rushing), Trinity has now given up 493 yards through 9 games -- 55 yards per game --on 245 carries. That's 2.0 yards per carry. They are pretty good. But, as it has been pointed out here, stats can prove whatever you want them to prove.

[dada]

For what it's worth...I think Hastings was the first team to score on Katy's D. Most of the scores have occured when the 2's and 3's were in. Stats can be deciving.....pretty sure they could rise to the occassion against anyone.

[Pearland1]

There are better Defenses in Region 3 division 1 bracket then Pearland. We are not even close to been one of the top defense in State.

[Fleeman93]

For what it's worth...I think Hastings was the first team to score on Katy's D. Most of the scores have occured when the 2's and 3's were in. Stats can be deciving.....pretty sure they could rise to the occassion against anyone.

A&M scored in the second quarter against the 1's.

[dada]

A&M scored in the second quarter against the 1's.

You're right....so did the Woodlands.

Katy 45 Klein 0
Katy 48 TWHS 7 (Woodlands scored right before the half)
Katy 41 AMC 14 (AMC scored in 2nd qtr....returned fumble for score in the 3rd)
Katy 38 Alief Taylor 0
katy 48 katy Taylor 0
katy 24 Hastings 13(Off night all they way around)
katy 52 Morton Ranch 12
katy 38 cinco 6
katy 45 Elsik 6

May not be the best in the state....but still...that's not bad.....First D MAYBE given up 5 TD's this year.

[texalaska]

According to the scoring leaders chart on this website here....

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/07scoringleaders.htm

Katy's defense is #1 and the Margin of Off/Def they are #1 also.

[Bottomline]

C'mon katy, and you came to this conclussion after I would hope, you scouted all the 5A Teams in Texas ? You may want to say that Katy has one of the better defenses in the Katy area, NOT Houston. Madison plays in 26 5A and even Texas Football recognized that district as probably the toughest in the state. Look at the strength of schedule alone :eek: Who are you guys playing ! katy would have a hard time with the 26 5A third place team at this point which is Judson which I'm sure you're heard of them. Can you even attempt to hold Smithson Valley under 40 points ? Again, I'm sure you've heard of SV as well. Enjoy your season for what it is and continue to support your team as you are doing but quit saying that they are the best defense in the state. I'm sure I can find 10 other defenses around the state that are playing a TOUGHER schedule and holding their own.

[dada]

C'mon katy, and you came to this conclussion after I would hope, you scouted all the 5A Teams in Texas ? You may want to say that Katy has one of the better defenses in the Katy area, NOT Houston. Madison plays in 26 5A and even Texas Football recognized that district as probably the toughest in the state. Look at the strength of schedule alone :eek: Who are you guys playing ! katy would have a hard time with the 26 5A third place team at this point which is Judson which I'm sure you're heard of them. Can you even attempt to hold Smithson Valley under 40 points ? Again, I'm sure you've heard of SV as well. Enjoy your season for what it is and continue to support your team as you are doing but quit saying that they are the best defense in the state. I'm sure I can find 10 other defenses around the state that are playing a TOUGHER schedule and holding their own.

By the NUMBERS:
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/07scoringleaders.htm
Hmmmm do think katy held SV under 40 TWICE in the past couple of years.

The #1 team in the State and #4 team in the nation would struggle in 26-5a.....our system is REALLY screwed up.

[KT2000]

C'mon katy, and you came to this conclussion after I would hope, you scouted all the 5A Teams in Texas ? You may want to say that Katy has one of the better defenses in the Katy area, NOT Houston. Madison plays in 26 5A and even Texas Football recognized that district as probably the toughest in the state. Look at the strength of schedule alone :eek: Who are you guys playing ! katy would have a hard time with the 26 5A third place team at this point which is Judson which I'm sure you're heard of them. Can you even attempt to hold Smithson Valley under 40 points ? Again, I'm sure you've heard of SV as well. Enjoy your season for what it is and continue to support your team as you are doing but quit saying that they are the best defense in the state. I'm sure I can find 10 other defenses around the state that are playing a TOUGHER schedule and holding their own.

So your solution is to follow up one generalization with several more? Threads like this represent homerism at its finest.

[dada]

So your solution is to follow up one generalization with several more? Threads like this represent homerism at its finest.

BINGO......:D WOW....must be Monday....

The best in the "KATY" area....not even houston....lol....

[CyFallsMom]

What I could add about Katy is that they have proven themselves over the years unlike many teams that are going into the playoffs. They have a long history in the playoffs and long win streaks in their own district. I am seeing a lot of posturing about things like "Katy couldn't beat our 5th place team" or "we would definitely beat Katy". I don't think you will hear that from any of us at Cy Falls - we know how hard it is to beat them. That was not a picnic last year, trust me and that game was a game of inches. Could have been won by either.

If any of your teams want to prove you are better than Katy, then let your players do it on the field where it counts. Their stats show a strong defense this year. Last year they had a good defense too - was hearing it was one of the best. Point is, they do have one of the best out there right now and one really can't argue that, weak district or not. If we play them again, it would be another nail biter I'm sure with our offense and their defense but at this point in the game, I don't even want to think that far ahead - lot of football and lot of teams still out there and nothing is a given.

[LUFPAN]

Lufkin's defense is the only thing keeping Lufkin on the winning side most weeks. Not saying they are the best in the state, just saying they deserve consideration.

[mad_fan]

BINGO......:D WOW....must be Monday....

The best in the "KATY" area....not even houston....lol....

The Katy D must be the best...see post #1...or can I say Katy homer post #1 in this thread...who else would have thunk to ask the question...:)

[dada]

The Katy D must be the best...see post #1...or can I say Katy homer post #1 in this thread...who else would have thunk to ask the question...:)

Everyone will have their Homer pick.....I look at the numbers. SOS comes into play when people want to disect the numbers....If that makes sense.

[Grizzy55]

1. Katy
2. Permian
3.Abilene
4. Pearland
5. SLC

[mad_fan]

Everyone will have their Homer pick.....I look at the numbers. SOS comes into play when people want to disect the numbers....If that makes sense.

KT opponents are what??? 32-49???
In my book...they can't even be in consideration...:)

[KattTx]

As others have pointed out.. there are too many variables to determine this particular accolade.

I know our D is pretty scary but our numbers can't compare with some others because we've only played two ranked teams and the starting defense (in it's entirety) has only played all four Q's in two games. The rest of the season the 2's and 3's have been in for pretty much the same amount of time as the starters. Which, I am glad for at this point in the season. I would rather have 2's with lots of playing time over impressive stats.

Abilene and ET's Defenses are also pretty scary in their own right. I haven't seen any others that compare with these. Since I haven't seen em all... couldn't even make anything but a homer pick. :p

Permians Defense = the BLACK PLAGUE!!

[Dynastybegan86]

But Madison was playing cupcakes like Judson, Smithson Valley, Reagan an O'Connor all year.

Smithson Valley isn't a cupcake! The rest I would agree with.

[dada]

KT opponents are what??? 32-49???
In my book...they can't even be in consideration...:)

I had a long post, but I deleted it....I researched all katy opponets and what they were avaraging AFTER they played Katy.....they may not be winning, but they sure are scoring.

26-5A is good no doubt....but the Astros probably think NL central is the best, Golden State might the the Pacific divison is the best in Basketball....Cal might think the Pac-10 is the best.....etc. Numbers don't have opinions. Someone can show me the numbers and say SLC is the best offense in the state....I could say "They would struggle in 26-5a" also, but what am I basing it on?

[dada]

Another thing is...I could see if this was just SOME team having a good season...but Katy is one of the Usual suspects so....I wouldn't question them....I know playoff time they are threat to anyone. I may have a Katy avatar....but far from a homer....just going on what I've SEEN and not Read about.

[mad_fan]

I had a long post, but I deleted it....I researched all katy opponets and what they were avaraging AFTER they played Katy.....they may not be winning, but they sure are scoring.

26-5A is good no doubt....but the Astros probably think NL central is the best, Golden State might the the Pacific divison is the best in Basketball....Cal might think the Pac-10 is the best.....etc. Numbers don't have opinions. Someone can show me the numbers and say SLC is the best offense in the state....I could say "They would struggle in 26-5a" also, but what am I basing it on?

I just a homer...:D

[mad_fan]

Another thing is...I could see if this was just SOME team having a good season...but Katy is one of the Usual suspects so....I wouldn't question them....I know playoff time they are threat to anyone. I may have a Katy avatar....but far from a homer....just going on what I've SEEN and not Read about.

Going off what I've SEEN at home...:D

[dada]

I just a homer...:D

Call me slow......but I JUST figured out you were a Madison fan...lol

I've always thought "MAD fan" as in..."crazy"...or Mad hatter....lol:D

[mad_fan]

Call me slow......but I JUST figured out you were a Madison fan...lol

I've always thought "MAD fan" as in..."crazy"...or Mad hatter....lol:D

Two years aint all THAT slow...:D

[slcdragonfan]

Saying that someone's (outstanding!!!!) numbers are suspect is like saying that a student who makes 100% on a test is suspect, because the test was probably not hard enough. But the other side is that you can't KNOW how good they really are either, because they haven't been completely tested. Katy can't make the opponent score negative points, and looking at the yardage and score totals, they have a legitimate claim to top D if not top 5 at this point.

If Katy is not in the state final game, I will be very surprised. And a big part of that will be D. We will see how good they are in the next several weeks, won't we?:eek:

Maybe the test will be harder then and the doubters will hang up their spurs.

As I have said before, I'm just hoping we get a chance to test it this year;)

[Dynastybegan86]

ATTENTION KATY FANS!


Katy's D is NOT even close to a top 25 D! R4 has the best D in the state.
26-5 is the best in Texas. Katy would have a tough time with any of those teams. They prove themselves every year by playing the likes of :

Kerrville Tivy, Schertz-Clemens, Rockport-Fulton, Victoria Memorial, and let's not forget the powers of SA...Holmes, Highlands, & Taft.

With the tough district schedule and these pre-district match-ups, Katy would be lucky to go 5-5.:confused:


26-5, in the last 5 years:
2002(D1) CJRockets beat Elsik in the Semi's(30-21) and won the State Title against Midland Lee 33-32
2002 SV beat Katy in the Semi's(24-20), Lost to SC 45-14 in the Title Game.
2004 SV beat Clear Lake in the Semi's(18-10), Lost to SC 27-24 in the Title Game.
2005 SV lost to Katy in the Semi's 17-14.
2006 SanMac lost to CyFalls in the Semi's 30-14.

26-5 is the best in R4 no doubt!

[slcdragonfan]

ATTENTION KATY FANS!


Katy's D is NOT even close to a top 25 D! R4 has the best D in the state.
26-5 is the best in Texas. Katy would have a tough time with any of those teams. They prove themselves every year by playing the likes of :

Kerrville Tivy, Schertz-Clemens, Rockport-Fulton, Victoria Memorial, and let's not forget the powers of SA...Holmes, Highlands, & Taft.

With the tough district schedule and these pre-district match-ups, Katy would be lucky to go 5-5.:confused:


26-5, in the last 5 years:
2002(D1) CJRockets beat Elsik in the Semi's(30-21) and won the State Title against Midland Lee 33-32
2002 SV beat Katy in the Semi's(24-20), Lost to SC 45-14 in the Title Game.
2004 SV beat Clear Lake in the Semi's(18-10), Lost to SC 27-24 in the Title Game.
2005 SV lost to Katy in the Semi's 17-14.
2006 SanMac lost to CyFalls in the Semi's 30-14.

26-5 is the best in R4 no doubt!

So you are not talking this year, you are choosing an arbitrary slice of time? I thought we were talking about the here and now, not the ghost of games past. I'd like to see this thread in 5 weeks.:)

[katy_dynasty]

ATTENTION KATY FANS!


Katy's D is NOT even close to a top 25 D! R4 has the best D in the state.
26-5 is the best in Texas. Katy would have a tough time with any of those teams. They prove themselves every year by playing the likes of :

Kerrville Tivy, Schertz-Clemens, Rockport-Fulton, Victoria Memorial, and let's not forget the powers of SA...Holmes, Highlands, & Taft.

With the tough district schedule and these pre-district match-ups, Katy would be lucky to go 5-5.:confused:


26-5, in the last 5 years:
2002(D1) CJRockets beat Elsik in the Semi's(30-21) and won the State Title against Midland Lee 33-32
2002 SV beat Katy in the Semi's(24-20), Lost to SC 45-14 in the Title Game.
2004 SV beat Clear Lake in the Semi's(18-10), Lost to SC 27-24 in the Title Game.
2005 SV lost to Katy in the Semi's 17-14.
2006 SanMac lost to CyFalls in the Semi's 30-14.

26-5 is the best in R4 no doubt!


hahahaha ur funny and i hope your joking because katy wont lose 5 games in the next 3 years much less go 5 and 5 in one season!!!!! katy is the #`1 team in the state doesnt matter what district they play in theyre still the best! past years dont matter anymore its this years team that matters only! the teams u named at top are a joke c'mon man get real your delusional

[CyFallsMom]

hahahaha ur funny and i hope your joking because katy wont lose 5 games in the next 3 years much less go 5 and 5 in one season!!!!! katy is the #`1 team in the state doesnt matter what district they play in theyre still the best! past years dont matter anymore its this years team that matters only! the teams u named at top are a joke c'mon man get real your delusional

You do realize he's being facetious right??

[katy_dynasty]

no i didnt but man i hope so cause thats just ridiculous if he means it

[dpop9157]

1)katy
2)permian
3)trinity
4)abilene
5)madison

i must agree all 5 of these teams seem to have really good defense. thank GOD not offense cuz caroll would be up there and im tired of watchin them. lol just kiddin. all these teams are really good good luckk on playoffs

[slcdragonfan]

You do realize he's being facetious right??

oh

[rodjohns]

I can't say they are the best in the state, but Westfield's the best I've seen this year so far.

I bet Klein Oak would say that Westfield is the best in the State!!!

[katy_dynasty]

1.katy
2.sa madison
3.odessa
4.trinity

[dpop9157]

:d

[dada]

I bet Klein Oak would say that Westfield is the best in the State!!!

But Memorial and Cy-Falls wouldnt:D

[CyFallsMom]

no i didnt but man i hope so cause thats just ridiculous if he means it

Dynasty has a wicked sense of humor - how come I know that and Booster knows that but a Katy fan doesn't;). I'm just kidding with you.

[slcdragonfan]

So what is the data on SA Madison to put them at #3?

[dada]

So what is the data on SA Madison to put them at #3?

I guess it's because they play in 265A.....This Chart shows otherwise:




Points Allowed Per Game:


Rank Team Wins Losses PAPG
1 Katy 9 0 6.8
2 Dallas Skyline 8 1 6.9
3 SA Warren 9 0 7.0
4 Euless Trinity 8 1 8.2
5 Pearland 8 1 9.3
6 SA Madison 9 1 9.4
7 Eagle Pass 8 1 9.4
8 Mansfield 8 1 9.6
9 FM Marcus 8 1 10.0
10 Houston Lamar 8 1 10.4
11 Houston Chavez 5 3 10.9
12 Plano 8 1 11.6
13 Austin Bowie 7 2 11.8
14 College Park 8 1 12.2
15 Pasadena Memorial 7 1 12.4
16 Spring Westfield 7 2 12.4
17 Lewisville 6 3 12.4
18 Odessa Permian 9 0 12.7
19 Mansfield Summit 8 1 12.9
20 Arlington Bowie 9 0 13.0
21 EP Franklin 8 1 13.4
22 Humble 7 2 13.4
23 Harlingen 6 3 13.6
24 Lufkin 8 1 14.0
25 Laredo United South 7 2 14.0





Average Margin of Victory Leaders:


Rank Team Wins Losses Margin
1 Katy 9 0 35.3
2 SA Warren 9 0 35.2
3 Dallas Skyline 8 1 32.4
4 North Shore 9 0 31.6
5 Odessa Permian 9 0 31.1
6 Mansfield 8 1 31.1
7 SA MADISON 9 1 30.4
8 Arlington Bowie 9 0 28.6
9 Southlake Carroll 8 1 28.4
10 Houston Lamar 8 1 26.6
11 Pasadena Memorial 7 1 26.4
12 Weslaco 8 1 23.6
13 Eagle Pass 8 1 23.3
14 Smithson Valley 8 1 23.2
15 Harlingen South 9 0 22.8
16 Los Fresnos 7 2 21.8
17 CC Ray 8 2 21.7
18 Euless Trinity 8 1 21.7
19 Cy Ridge 8 1 21.2
20 SA Southwest 9 0 21.2
21 Garland Naaman Forest 7 2 20.2
22 Spring Westfield 7 2 20.1
23 Beaumont West Brook 8 1 20.0
24 DeSoto 7 2 19.7
25 Plano 8 1 19.4

[slcdragonfan]

interesting data, thanks!

[katyfan52]

Dynasty has a wicked sense of humor - how come I know that and Booster knows that but a Katy fan doesn't;). I'm just kidding with you.
Yeh he does. KD hasn't been around as long as you CFMom. He'll figure it out soon. ;) Maybe DB86 needs to put smilies on his funny posts for the "younger" posters. :)

[CyFallsMom]

Yeh he does. KD hasn't been around as long as you CFMom. He'll figure it out soon. Maybe DB86 needs to put smilies on his funny posts for the "younger" posters.

Rookies - gotta love em!!:). In all fairness, I misread posts too every now and then and I post what i think might be funny and it's not taken that way by someone. That's what we get without being face to face I guess! Those smiley's help many times:D

[fitz400]

I guess it's because they play in 265A.....This Chart shows otherwise:




Points Allowed Per Game:


Rank Team Wins Losses PAPG
1 Katy 9 0 6.8
2 Dallas Skyline 8 1 6.9
3 SA Warren 9 0 7.0
4 Euless Trinity 8 1 8.2
5 Pearland 8 1 9.3
6 SA Madison 9 1 9.4
7 Eagle Pass 8 1 9.4
8 Mansfield 8 1 9.6
9 FM Marcus 8 1 10.0
10 Houston Lamar 8 1 10.4
11 Houston Chavez 5 3 10.9
12 Plano 8 1 11.6
13 Austin Bowie 7 2 11.8
14 College Park 8 1 12.2
15 Pasadena Memorial 7 1 12.4
16 Spring Westfield 7 2 12.4
17 Lewisville 6 3 12.4
18 Odessa Permian 9 0 12.7
19 Mansfield Summit 8 1 12.9
20 Arlington Bowie 9 0 13.0
21 EP Franklin 8 1 13.4
22 Humble 7 2 13.4
23 Harlingen 6 3 13.6
24 Lufkin 8 1 14.0
25 Laredo United South 7 2 14.0





Average Margin of Victory Leaders:


Rank Team Wins Losses Margin
1 Katy 9 0 35.3
2 SA Warren 9 0 35.2
3 Dallas Skyline 8 1 32.4
4 North Shore 9 0 31.6
5 Odessa Permian 9 0 31.1
6 Mansfield 8 1 31.1
7 SA MADISON 9 1 30.4
8 Arlington Bowie 9 0 28.6
9 Southlake Carroll 8 1 28.4
10 Houston Lamar 8 1 26.6
11 Pasadena Memorial 7 1 26.4
12 Weslaco 8 1 23.6
13 Eagle Pass 8 1 23.3
14 Smithson Valley 8 1 23.2
15 Harlingen South 9 0 22.8
16 Los Fresnos 7 2 21.8
17 CC Ray 8 2 21.7
18 Euless Trinity 8 1 21.7
19 Cy Ridge 8 1 21.2
20 SA Southwest 9 0 21.2
21 Garland Naaman Forest 7 2 20.2
22 Spring Westfield 7 2 20.1
23 Beaumont West Brook 8 1 20.0
24 DeSoto 7 2 19.7
25 Plano 8 1 19.4

wow i had no idea our defense was still up there with those other teams

[Pearland Longhorn]

wow i had no idea our defense was still up there with those other teams

Like I said, if we had the offense of last year we would probably have the highest rated defense. When your offense goes 3 and out 6 times a game your defense is gonna get worn out. Our D probably played their worst game of the year against Ball yet still only have up 13. Our D is top 10 worthy as it is right now. When our offense is playing well and our D is rested they are a very good group.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Points Allowed Per Game:


Rank Team Wins Losses PAPG

7 Eagle Pass 8 1 9.4

Average Margin of Victory Leaders:


Rank Team Wins Losses Margin
13 Eagle Pass 8 1 23.3


So, can someone explain why these guys never come up in the top 25 discussions?:eek:

[fitz400]

Like I said, if we had the offense of last year we would probably have the highest rated defense. When your offense goes 3 and out 6 times a game your defense is gonna get worn out. Our D probably played their worst game of the year against Ball yet still only have up 13. Our D is top 10 worthy as it is right now. When our offense is playing well and our D is rested they are a very good group.

maybe cuz we need to AIR OUT THE DANG BALLL!

[Pearland Longhorn]

maybe cuz we need to AIR OUT THE DANG BALLL!

I get the feeling that Heath was trying to against Ball. I think Ball was our best play calling of the year. If we can execute with that type of game plan we can give North Shore a game. Saenz dropped 2 for sure interceptions that could have kept Ball out of the redzone the entire game.

[EPFootball]

its hard to tell who has the best defense because of the different teams each team plays. for example, permian has played a lot of pass happy teams, and katy plays a lot more run teams i believe. permian has basically shut down the run all year, and had a little more trouble against the pass. If EP Montwood makes it to the 2nd round they will face the mighty mojo.... The Rams pass alot hopefully Montwood will be able to make a game out of it. There defense is stingy as well..:cool:

[New Westfield Fan]

What I could add about Katy is that they have proven themselves over the years unlike many teams that are going into the playoffs. They have a long history in the playoffs and long win streaks in their own district. I am seeing a lot of posturing about things like "Katy couldn't beat our 5th place team" or "we would definitely beat Katy". I don't think you will hear that from any of us at Cy Falls - we know how hard it is to beat them. That was not a picnic last year, trust me and that game was a game of inches. Could have been won by either.

If any of your teams want to prove you are better than Katy, then let your players do it on the field where it counts. Their stats show a strong defense this year. Last year they had a good defense too - was hearing it was one of the best. Point is, they do have one of the best out there right now and one really can't argue that, weak district or not. If we play them again, it would be another nail biter I'm sure with our offense and their defense but at this point in the game, I don't even want to think that far ahead - lot of football and lot of teams still out there and nothing is a given.

One thing for sure is that Cy Falls is not the best defense in the state :) If we are talking offense though, they are definitely in.

[CyFallsMom]

One thing for sure is that Cy Falls is not the best defense in the state If we are talking offense though, they are definitely in.

Oh, I know that! I was actually just taking up for Katy there. But, now that you mention it, I think I'll start the offense thread going! I can hear KT2000 moaning as I type:)

[katy_dynasty]

Rookies - gotta love em!!:). In all fairness, I misread posts too every now and then and I post what i think might be funny and it's not taken that way by someone. That's what we get without being face to face I guess! Those smiley's help many times:D

rookie...lol actually ive been on this web site for a couple of years but i switched user names at the beggining of the season just beacause my po

[Dynastybegan86]

ATTENTION ALL KATY FANS!!


Yes! I was kidding. While I realize our sos is not the likes of the 26-5, I will say LOUDLY and PROUDLY, that if Katy played in the 26-5, They would still be UNDEFEATED!! Sorry fans, it's a just an opinion. The games might be closer and the stats not as good, but the W column would be the same:cool:

[Dynastybegan86]

Dynasty has a wicked sense of humor - how come I know that and Booster knows that but a Katy fan doesn't;). I'm just kidding with you.

Good ?, what's the answer:p:D

[SkeetSkeeter]

1)katy
2)permian
3)trinity
4)abilene
5)madison

WRONG...

1) Mesquite
2) Katy
3) Permian
4) Madison
5) Abilene High

[ruffshod]

I bet Klein Oak would say that Westfield is the best in the State!!!

They sure looked it the Friday night.

[LPack007]

From the teams I have seen and heard about.

Lufkin- without are D we would probably be 0-2 vs Lv and also we have one of the best defensive lines in Texas.:cool:

Longview- there allways real Physical and talented and they have one of the best front seven in the state..

Westfield- they lost Herman sadly, but there still solid with alot of talent.

[eagleswoop#1]

But Memorial and Cy-Falls wouldnt:D

Westfield just had an off night against Memorial.

[mojotrain]

katys defense:

avg points a game- 6.1
total yards a game-232.1
first downs a game-10.1
rushing yards a game-111.2
avg rush-2.9
rush tds game-0.4
pass yrds-120.9
pass avg- 5.4
pass tds game-0.4
int a game-1.4
fumbles a game-1.7

I would like to compare your D stats with Permians but most of Permians games have been in control by half time so reserves play in the third and forth quarters. Yours may also. Until the game against Abilene we had only had 3 scored against us in the second quarter and none in the third. So If you will post your scores so I can get a feel of what I might be comparing.
I think even at that our D records are close.

114 points have been scored against us. Thats 12 a game and twice your total.:cry
2092 total ydg. against us thats 232 per game. exact same as yours.

126 first down against us thats 14 per game avg. 4 more than yours.

We have a turnover margin of plus 22. Our Pass int. are at 15 and fumble recoveriers are at 22. Thats a little better than what you post. It averages over four a game which really helps our O.

It might be a pretty good match but not with you in D-2.

[dada]

Westfield just had an off night against Memorial.

That's what seperates good teams from great teams.....great teams don't have nights off.

[stinger]

One very serious consideration isn't even listed......TRINITY.

[LoboBooster73]

WRONG...

1) Mesquite
2) Katy
3) Permian
4) Madison
5) Abilene High

And you posted this on 11/5/07 after your defense gave up 2 touchdowns in the 2nd half to lose district to Longview?:confused: PLEASE:rolleyes:

[texalaska]

......................Katy.........vs............O pp

Game Totals.......379........................61

1st Half.............208........................23
2nd Half.............171........................38


1st Qtr...............107........................zero
2nd Qtr...............101........................23
3rd Qtr.................67.........................20
4th Qtr..................104.......................18 {some of these were last minute}

[dada]

these threads are pointless.......who has the best defense, who has the best offense....lol

Might as well say "WHO has the cutest Kids?"

"Mine kids are adorable"

"My Kids are cute....my daughter was in a beauty pagent"

"You've never seen my kids"

"My kids are cute too"


Do you REALLY expect someone to say

"Those are some Cute kids you have...mine are gruesome to look at"

"I sure wish my kids were as cute as your"

"My kids are alright, but I saw some kids up in dallas that were cute as hell"


"I wish my kids were as cute as yours"



Then the Strenght of Schedule argument will come up

"Your kid may have won the beauty pagent, but there aren't many cute kid in the RGV area"

"You live in a neigborhood with a lot of poor ugly kids"

"Your kids aren't really cute...you just have money to dress them nice"

"If I was in your neighborhood My kids would be the cutest ones too"



:rolleyes:

[WHS23]

That's what seperates good teams from great teams.....great teams don't have nights off.

Thats a true statement, but the same could be said for........ Good teams don't recover from what Westfield has recovered from but GREAT teams do:)

[stinger]

these threads are pointless.......who has the best defense, who has the best offense....lol

Might as well say "WHO has the cutest Kids?"

"Mine kids are adorable"

"My Kids are cute....my daughter was in a beauty pagent"

"You've never seen my kids"

"My kids are cute too"


Do you REALLY expect someone to say

"Those are some Cute kids you have...mine are gruesome to look at"

"I sure wish my kids were as cute as your"

"My kids are alright, but I saw some kids up in dallas that were cute as hell"


"I wish my kids were as cute as yours"



Then the Strenght of Schedule argument will come up

"Your kid may have won the beauty pagent, but there aren't many cute kid in the RGV area"

"You live in a neigborhood with a lot of poor ugly kids"

"Your kids aren't really cute...you just have money to dress them nice"

"If I was in your neighborhood My kids would be the cutest ones too"



:rolleyes:


And my Daddy can beat up your Daddy!!!

[Fleeman93]

That's what seperates good teams from great teams.....great teams don't have nights off.

you know what seperates Great teams from Great teams..........?




The UIL
:(

[afumbler]

Here are the best five defenses in the state according to the Massey Ratings.

1. Euless Trinity
2. Plano
3. Katy
4. Mesquite
5. Dallas Skyline

One thing you have to take into account is quality of schedule.

Trinity has played 9-0 Permian, 8-1 MacArthur, and 8-1 Waco.
Katy has only played two winning teams at 6-3. Trinity has played five winning teams.

[Dynastybegan86]

Isn't Waco 4A? and IrvMAc didn't play anybody until ET:confused:

What is your argument again?

ET is good no doubt, but....nm

[dada]

Here are the best five defenses in the state according to the Massey Ratings.

1. Euless Trinity
2. Plano
3. Katy
4. Mesquite
5. Dallas Skyline

One thing you have to take into account is quality of schedule.

Trinity has played 9-0 Permian, 8-1 MacArthur, and 8-1 Waco.
Katy has only played two winning teams at 6-3. Trinity has played five winning teams.

Yep...Katy is overated.

[Weber]

Abilene has to be up there in one of the top D`s in the land, LB Williams is one awesome football player and bad news he is only a junior.
Permian Defense is also a great one to watch, they are surely not scared to hit you right in the mouth.

[dada]

This isnt College football...where one team can recruit better than others....one team can be good one year and bad the next. In high school football......you usually have a dominate team in that district and will dominate that district year in, year out....some cruise through district every year so the Strenght of schedule argument in null and void in this case WHY? because unlike NCAA...we have a PLAYOFF Team A played this many winning teams...Team B played this many winning teams...some of those "Winning" teams could have been from even WEAKER districts.....get out of the College frame of mind. Katy isn't ranked high soley on beating district opponets this year......this is a team that was in the Region 3 finals last year and returned almost EVERYONE from that team........gees louise.

[dada]

Take away MNW and SLC has only played 3 teams that are above .500.

Some teams have the mindframe that if they lose a district game their district has to be the BEST district and the team that beat them would probably beat ANYONE......Damage control and Denial.:D

[mojoguy]

I think there can be several answers to this, because several teams have demonstrated that they are dominant defensively and can basically do anything they want. Without seeing teams play the exact same schedule, you really can't even look at the numbers to decide. They can be an indication, but don't use them to come to any conclusions. Having watched Katy on TV, I was impressed with what they were able to do defensively. Abilene High has a very stout defense as well. Trinity had a strong defense, but they didn't have a good showing when I saw them. I like our defense because we don't give up big plays and we swarm to the ball. It's hard to have tackling issues when you have six guys making the play every down. I just think there are a lot of ways to answer this, and there is no way to ever know if anyone is right. There are just too many things to consider.

[dada]

I think there can be several answers to this, because several teams have demonstrated that they are dominant defensively and can basically do anything they want. Without seeing teams play the exact same schedule, you really can't even look at the numbers to decide. They can be an indication, but don't use them to come to any conclusions. Having watched Katy on TV, I was impressed with what they were able to do defensively. Abilene High has a very stout defense as well. Trinity had a strong defense, but they didn't have a good showing when I saw them. I like our defense because we don't give up big plays and we swarm to the ball. It's hard to have tackling issues when you have six guys making the play every down. I just think there are a lot of ways to answer this, and there is no way to ever know if anyone is right. There are just too many things to consider.

I agree...I just don't think you can play the "But look at their district" and "who have they played" card when it's a team that goes DEEP into the playoffs every year....it's PROVEN that they can shut down some of the best. SOS comes into place when you're trying to win a BCS title....not a 5A title.

[mojoguy]

I agree...I just don't think you can play the "But look at their district" and "who have they played" card when it's a team that goes DEEP into the playoffs every year....it's PROVEN that they can shut down some of the best. SOS comes into place when you're trying to win a BCS title....not a 5A title.

Yeah, it's nearly impossible to even judge strength of schedule for high school unless you know the game and are able to see every single opponent for several games for the teams you are comparing. I can't make any calls on the SOS for teams in Houston, but I know that ours has been stronger than the records indicate. Ultimately, you find out who has a quality defense when they get into a dogfight in the playoffs and the offense hiccups a little bit. Regular season numbers indicate next to nothing. You also have to keep in mind that teams are constantly getting the backups in the game in high school. This skews all of the stats an awful lot.

[TrojanHorse03]

This isnt College football...where one team can recruit better than others....one team can be good one year and bad the next. In high school football......you usually have a dominate team in that district and will dominate that district year in, year out....some cruise through district every year so the Strenght of schedule argument in null and void in this case WHY? because unlike NCAA...we have a PLAYOFF Team A played this many winning teams...Team B played this many winning teams...some of those "Winning" teams could have been from even WEAKER districts.....get out of the College frame of mind. Katy isn't ranked high soley on beating district opponets this year......this is a team that was in the Region 3 finals last year and returned almost EVERYONE from that team........gees louise.

Congratulations Dada you've just won today's "Kill the Messenger Not the Source" Award! Rod tell him what he's won. A 30-day supply of Chill Pills!

[dada]

Yeah, it's nearly impossible to even judge strength of schedule for high school unless you know the game and are able to see every single opponent for several games for the teams you are comparing. I can't make any calls on the SOS for teams in Houston, but I know that ours has been stronger than the records indicate. Ultimately, you find out who has a quality defense when they get into a dogfight in the playoffs and the offense hiccups a little bit. Regular season numbers indicate next to nothing. You also have to keep in mind that teams are constantly getting the backups in the game in high school. This skews all of the stats an awful lot.

It's all subjective.....and you can't discredit one subjective though with another.
"I THINK our district is better"

"I THINK OUR district is better"

"I THINK that if you played in our district you wouldn't be so good"

"I THINK we could win your district easy"

No one would win this argument. That's why in this case you have to put SOME stock into the NUMBERS....the numbers don't lie....you can try to downplay the numbers with subjective things like "Strength of Schedule"

It hard to figure out who could beat who as it is...but in the case of the numbers you have SOMETHING to solid to fall back on.

Take Clements for example....9-0 ranked #3 in Houston....of course you're gonna look at their strenght of schedule...and say they've only played 4 teams with Winning records....but at the same time teams like Katy, North Shore and Carrol has played 3. It's a lose-lose sitution. You KNOW what defenses will be around starting in week 11

[dada]

Congratulations Dada you've just won today's "Kill the Messenger Not the Source" Award! Rod tell him what he's won. A 30-day supply of Chill Pills!

Messengers are too Naive these days.You can pee down their backs and tell them it's raining and they reach for an umbrella. Sometime before relaying the message you need to check your sources.

[TrojanHorse03]

This is TH03 reminding you to get your cat or dog spayed or nutured. And tune in tomorrow as we play"Kill the Messenger Not the Source" again! G'bye!

[dada]

This is TH03 reminding you to get your cat or dog spayed or nutured. And tune in tomorrow as we play"Kill the Messenger Not the Source" again! G'bye!

Sometimes a retarted kid can ask a normal guy to relay a message. So it's not uncommon to think the messenger is retarted also.

I miss bob barker:confused:

[mojoguy]

No one would win this argument. That's why in this case you have to put SOME stock into the NUMBERS....the numbers don't lie....you can try to downplay the numbers with subjective things like "Strength of Schedule"

It hard to figure out who could beat who as it is...but in the case of the numbers you have SOMETHING to solid to fall back on.

Take Clements for example....9-0 ranked #3 in Houston....of course you're gonna look at their strenght of schedule...and say they've only played 4 teams with Winning records....but at the same time teams like Katy, North Shore and Carrol has played 3. It's a lose-lose sitution. You KNOW what defenses will be around starting in week 11


I agree with you 100% as far as knowing who has the quality teams that will be around in December. I just think you have to be really careful about putting much faith in numbers at any point, because so many factors go into the numbers put up in high school games. Are they a good indication? Yes. If a team posts six shutouts in a row, you know they were playing well defensively, so they probably have a quality defense. If a team has given up 20 points a game though, can you say for sure they have a good or bad defense? Maybe they pulled their starters for the second half every game and the true average would be closer to 14. Maybe their star player missed half of the game with cramps in his leg. Maybe they scored 50 points and the last 14 were garbage points. Maybe the other team's defense scored a touchdown. There are just too many factors to look at. The only way to know how strong a team's defense really is is to actually watch them. Numbers can be a pretty picture, but they don't tell the story.

[Fleeman93]

Sometimes a retarted kid can ask a normal guy to relay a message. So it's not uncommon to think the messenger is retarted also.

I miss bob barker:confused:

Not sure but I don't think this is PC.

:o

[dada]

I agree with you 100% as far as knowing who has the quality teams that will be around in December. I just think you have to be really careful about putting much faith in numbers at any point, because so many factors go into the numbers put up in high school games. Are they a good indication? Yes. If a team posts six shutouts in a row, you know they were playing well defensively, so they probably have a quality defense. If a team has given up 20 points a game though, can you say for sure they have a good or bad defense? Maybe they pulled their starters for the second half every game and the true average would be closer to 14. Maybe their star player missed half of the game with cramps in his leg. Maybe they scored 50 points and the last 14 were garbage points. Maybe the other team's defense scored a touchdown. There are just too many factors to look at. The only way to know how strong a team's defense really is is to actually watch them. Numbers can be a pretty picture, but they don't tell the story.
EXACTLY which MOST people on here aren't doing because it's a sin to even think a team is better than you.....even in a loss....it's not "They were better than us" it's..."Look at our Stength of schedule".....I know who's consistant and who's not. Maybe I should change my avatar before people think I have a red tinted glasses on. You're "overrated" until you lose a game.....that's what it seems like....as long as you keep winning you're ridiculed....Katy is going through what SLC has been going through for years i guess.

[dada]

Not sure but I don't think this is PC.

:o

How about "Person with Low IQ":D

[Fleeman93]

How about "Person with Low IQ":D


:(


Google tells me it is "Mentally Challenged." Just trying to keep the Dada haters like K State off your back.

[mojoguy]

EXACTLY which MOST people on here aren't doing because it's a sin to even think a team is better than you.....even in a loss....it's not "They were better than us" it's..."Look at our Stength of schedule".....I know who's consistant and who's not. Maybe I should change my avatar before people think I have a red tinted glasses on. You're "overrated" until you lose a game.....that's what it seems like....as long as you keep winning you're ridiculed....Katy is going through what SLC has been going through for years i guess.

Haha I have been thinking about that a lot too lately. Teams never want to concede defeat.... even after defeat. We have had a few games this year that we didn't win, but the other team actually gave it to us through turnovers. I sure am glad that we are such a charity case on the football field. :rolleyes:

I can't imagine anyone that would think that way about Katy though. They pretty much take it to anyone they come across. I don't see much room for doubt.

[dada]

Haha I have been thinking about that a lot too lately. Teams never want to concede defeat.... even after defeat. We have had a few games this year that we didn't win, but the other team actually gave it to us through turnovers. I sure am glad that we are such a charity case on the football field. :rolleyes:

I can't imagine anyone that would think that way about Katy though. They pretty much take it to anyone they come across. I don't see much room for doubt.

The other team is never better....the losers usually leave 21 points on the field,the team the lost too would beat ANYBODY or the odds were against them from the start because of strength of schedule. Until you lose by 25+ points due to SOS or lose 2 district games because your district is "That Tough"...you are officially overrated....:D

[dada]

:(


Google tells me it is "Mentally Challenged." Just trying to keep the Dada haters like K State off your back.

I love the hate......"You're not a playa, until you've been hated on":D

As long as I'm hated for telling it like it is....I have no problem with that.

[KattTx]

Haha I have been thinking about that a lot too lately. Teams never want to concede defeat.... even after defeat. We have had a few games this year that we didn't win, but the other team actually gave it to us through turnovers. I sure am glad that we are such a charity case on the football field. :rolleyes:


Hahaha... Oh and I like the fact that every big game we play it goes like this.

Before the game: Permian better bring their A game. They are gonna have to play perfect to win this one. We'll know if they are for real after this game.

After the game: Oh the other team really didn't show up, they aren't the team they were last year, etc.. etc...

So I assume nothing less than making it the final game will determine if we are "for real" or not. :D:D

[mojoguy]

Hahaha... Oh and I like the fact that every big game we play it goes like this.

Before the game: Permian better bring their A game. They are gonna have to play perfect to win this one. We'll know if they are for real after this game.

After the game: Oh the other team really didn't show up, they aren't the team they were last year, etc.. etc...

So I assume nothing less than making it the final game will determine if we are "for real" or not. :D:D

That's part of the whole Mojo thing really. We beat teams and leave them scratching their heads as to how we did it. I always like to use the 1980 squad that won state and was still ranked number 3 in the final poll as an example. Sometimes you just can't even earn the respect that you're due. I will say that the majority of the people on this board that know what they're talking about seem to be respectful at all times. I think a lot of them are kind of watching with a bit of curiosity too, because a lot of their programs never got to see what it was once like with Permian in the picture. The boys this year have really made us proud, even if they were practically given every win :)

[MADFAN#1]

Rank Team Wins Losses PAPG
1 Katy 9 0 6.8
2 Dallas Skyline 8 1 6.9
3 SA Warren 9 0 7.0
4 Euless Trinity 8 1 8.2
5 Pearland 8 1 9.3
6 SA Madison 9 1 9.4

Strength of Schedule

Katy 130th
Dallas Skyline 216th
SA Warren 199th
Euless Trinity 62nd
Pearland 72nd
SA Madison 34th

What does this prove? Easy to have a great PAPG when your have a weak schedule. :D

[dada]

Hahaha... Oh and I like the fact that every big game we play it goes like this.

Before the game: Permian better bring their A game. They are gonna have to play perfect to win this one. We'll know if they are for real after this game.

After the game: Oh the other team really didn't show up, they aren't the team they were last year, etc.. etc...

So I assume nothing less than making it the final game will determine if we are "for real" or not. :D:D

You probably still won't be "For Real" in some peoples eyes.

Let's just say Katy runs the table in D2(hope I don't jinx them) I'm going to pick the probable match up and the possible rant from the teams in the tough districts with the great strenght of Schedule:

RD1. Strake....."They are a PRIVATE SCHOOL"
RD2. Hou.Madison "they are an HISD school that wouldnt have made the playoffs in any other district.

Rd3. Brazoswood...."They weren't that good, they got blown out by Pearland'
Rd.4 Cy-Falls......."Cy Falls dosent play defense"
RD5. SA Madison "Would have been different if they had Devin Thomas"
Title game SLC....."MNW showed us this wasnt the same Dragon team of the past"

And after all that they would still "Probably lose'" to whoever the D1 champion is.:rolleyes:

[dada]

Rank Team Wins Losses PAPG
1 Katy 9 0 6.8
2 Dallas Skyline 8 1 6.9
3 SA Warren 9 0 7.0
4 Euless Trinity 8 1 8.2
5 Pearland 8 1 9.3
6 SA Madison 9 1 9.4

Strength of Schedule

Katy 130th
Dallas Skyline 216th
SA Warren 199th
Euless Trinity 62nd
Pearland 72nd
SA Madison 34th

What does this prove? Easy to have a great PAPG when your have a weak schedule. :D

Ok....give me a team with a GREAT schedule....quick.

[MADFAN#1]

Ok....give me a team with a GREAT schedule....quick.

Madison. Quick enough? LOL

[dada]

Rank Team Wins Losses PAPG
1 Katy 9 0 6.8
2 Dallas Skyline 8 1 6.9
3 SA Warren 9 0 7.0
4 Euless Trinity 8 1 8.2
5 Pearland 8 1 9.3
6 SA Madison 9 1 9.4

Strength of Schedule

Katy 130th
Dallas Skyline 216th
SA Warren 199th
Euless Trinity 62nd
Pearland 72nd
SA Madison 34th

What does this prove? Easy to have a great PAPG when your have a weak schedule. :D

I can prove that stenght of schedule means nothing also

Out of the group you posted....Madison has the highest SOS
Madison has played 4 teams with a winning record.

SA O'Connor 7-2.....out of their 7 wins they've beaten ONE TEAM with a winning record(clark at 5-4) but those other 7 over 3-6 teams makes Madisons SOS higher


Smithson Valley 8-1 Of the 8 wins 3 teams have winning records....but again the "8" helps Madison



SA Reagan 7-2.......2 of the 7 wins have come against teams about .500


Converse Judson...6-3...with 2 wins against teams with winning records





SOS is not a factor in High School football. Madison get's the benefit of the doubt because they beat teams who feasted on weak teams.

[KattTx]

You probably still won't be "For Real" in some peoples eyes.

Let's just say Katy runs the table in D2(hope I don't jinx them) I'm going to pick the probable match up and the possible rant from the teams in the tough districts with the great strenght of Schedule:

RD1. Strake....."They are a PRIVATE SCHOOL"
RD2. Hou.Madison "they are an HISD school that wouldnt have made the playoffs in any other district.

Rd3. Brazoswood...."They weren't that good, they got blown out by Pearland'
Rd.4 Cy-Falls......."Cy Falls dosent play defense"
RD5. SA Madison "Would have been different if they had Devin Thomas"
Title game SLC....."MNW showed us this wasnt the same Dragon team of the past"

And after all that they would still "Probably lose'" to whoever the D1 champion is.:rolleyes:

Exactly! Oh well, I don't care if my guys are "back" or not. As long as they keep winning and playing great, I'm a happy gal!

[mojotrain]

......................Katy.........vs............O pp

Game Totals.......379........................61

1st Half.............208........................23
2nd Half.............171........................38


1st Qtr...............107........................zero
2nd Qtr...............101........................23
3rd Qtr.................67.........................20
4th Qtr..................104.......................18 {some of these were last minute}

Game totals ....us....490..............them.........192

1st half...........us....343..............them........ .51
2nd half..........us ....147..............them........111

1st Q .............us....103...............them........1 7
2nd Q.............us....240...............them........ 34
3rd. Q.............us....81.................them....... .13
4th Q..............us 66................them.........98:cry

Except for the ET game and the Abilene game for the miost part #2s played half the third and all the 4th.

I'm thinking it would be a pretty good game which will never happen.

[dada]

I can prove that stenght of schedule means nothing also

Out of the group you posted....Madison has the highest SOS
Madison has played 4 teams with a winning record.

SA O'Connor 7-2.....out of their 7 wins they've beaten ONE TEAM with a winning record(clark at 5-4) but those other 7 over 3-6 teams makes Madisons SOS higher


Smithson Valley 8-1 Of the 8 wins 3 teams have winning records....but again the "8" helps Madison



SA Reagan 7-2.......2 of the 7 wins have come against teams about .500


Converse Judson...6-3...with 2 wins against teams with winning records





SOS is not a factor in High School football. Madison get's the benefit of the doubt because they beat teams who feasted on weak teams.

DANG IT!!!!!!!!! Did ruin another perfectly good thread with my unbiased observations sprinkled in with a few facts????? Where did everyone go?:D

[bleedblue]

Trinity

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[Pearland Longhorn]

Trinity

Close this thread

I find it hard to believe that no other team out there could hold OP to less than 30 points. It might have been a bad game for them but there are many defenses out there that have had NO bad games...

[stinger]

Isn't Waco 4A? and IrvMAc didn't play anybody until ET:confused:

What is your argument again?

ET is good no doubt, but....nm

It's simple...just check the strength of the schedules...records of teams they played...and who they played....

[KattTx]

Game totals ....us....490..............them.........192

1st half...........us....343..............them........ .51
2nd half..........us ....147..............them........111

1st Q .............us....103...............them........1 7
2nd Q.............us....240...............them........ 34
3rd. Q.............us....81.................them....... .13
4th Q..............us 66................them.........98:cry

Except for the ET game and the Abilene game for the miost part #2s played half the third and all the 4th.

I'm thinking it would be a pretty good game which will never happen.

Train... in several of the predistict games (save for ET) the 2's were in the latter part of the second Q as well, then the starters would play one series after half and then sit the rest. I'll see if I can tell from films which ones.

[dada]

Trinity

Close this thread

Erase Sept. 14th and I'd agree with ya.:D

[Dynastybegan86]

It's simple...just check the strength of the schedules...records of teams they played...and who they played....

SOS is understandable, ET's might be a little better, so.....what's your point! Katy has been playing the same schedule every year and how many titles do we have in 10 years..??? 3 How many title games have we qualified for in those 10 years...6
97*, 98**,99, 2000*, 2003*, 2005. (*CHAMPS, **:Censor:)

So don't tell me sos tells the tale:cool:

[dada]

SOS is understandable, ET's might be a little better, so.....what's your point! Katy has been playing the same schedule every year and how many titles do we have in 10 years..??? 3 How many title games have we qualified for in those 10 years...6
97*, 98**,99, 2000*, 2003*, 2005. (*CHAMPS, **:Censor:)

So don't tell me sos tells the tale:cool:

I think I've all but killed the SOS argument about 4 posts ago.

[fitz400]

I find it hard to believe that no other team out there could hold OP to less than 30 points. It might have been a bad game for them but there are many defenses out there that have had NO bad games...

nobody attack me just yet....but i do feel our defense has played amazingly all year. just a few games were a little less than others

[afumbler]

I think I've all but killed the SOS argument about 4 posts ago.

I don't think you've said anything about SOS. All you've done is looked at a few isolate matchups. If you want to compare strength of schedule look at Massey Ratings and read about their statistical, scientific basis in the explanation. You'll never prove anything my comparing a few isolated instances. BTW, note that Katy is rated higher than Trinity overall.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=hsf&sub=TX

[Dynastybegan86]

I think I've all but killed the SOS argument about 4 posts ago.

I have just figured that out! I went to the last page first and noticed my "good fan" stinger had responded to my post earlier, so I was responding to him. I have just reviewed all this garbage people keep throwing out there. Katy may or may not be the best in the state, but they are certainly in the top 3 from the schools I have seen play that we are discussing.SOME ET fans just can't except the truth sometimes(they are good, but..you know). You tried:notworthy (I just wanted to use the new smiley)

[dada]

I don't think you've said anything about SOS. All you've done is looked at a few isolate matchups. If you want to compare strength of schedule look at Massey Ratings and read about their statistical, scientific basis in the explanation. You'll never prove anything my comparing a few isolated instances. BTW, note that Katy is rated higher than Trinity overall.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=hsf&sub=TX

Huh???? that was my point to begin with.. As for ISOLATED incidents....what I posted was in Response to SA MAdison having a "high" sos.....and pretty much showed how misleading SOS numbers are.

[afumbler]

Huh???? that was my point to begin with.. As for ISOLATED incidents....what I posted was in Response to SA MAdison having a "high" sos.....and pretty much showed how misleading SOS numbers are.

My point is that you didn't show true SOS numbers, just some incidental matchups and records.

[Dynastybegan86]

My point is that you didn't show true SOS numbers, just some incidental matchups and records.

Isn't that how you compile SOS!????:confused:

[afumbler]

Isn't that how you compile SOS!????:confused:

No. It isn't just W/L in a few matchups.

http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm

[dada]

My point is that you didn't show true SOS numbers, just some incidental matchups and records.

I'm confused......SA Madison's SOS was way higher than Katy's. They've played teams with records of:
7-2
8-1
7-2
6-3
That's 28-8....that looks GREAT for their SOS....but what it DOSENT tell you is that out of the 28, only 11 TOTAL have come against teams with winning records. Isn't that how SOS is calculated?

[afumbler]

I'm confused......SA Madison's SOS was way higher than Katy's. They've played teams with records of:
7-2
8-1
7-2
6-3
That's 28-8....that looks GREAT for their SOS....but what it DOSENT tell you is that out of the 28, only 11 TOTAL have come against teams with winning records. Isn't that how SOS is calculated?

Read the link I provided in the last message for a better way.

[dada]

No. It isn't just W/L in a few matchups.

http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm

And what is that based on.....how many school buses each team has? No, it's W/L's right?

[afumbler]

And what is that based on.....how many school buses each team has? No, it's W/L's right?

Massey also uses scores. Strength of defense doesn't mean anything if you don't have scores. Yardage isn't so important because it doesn't directly effect who wins or loses, score does.

Read the link.

http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm

[The Warrior]

Other still in the lead, so next time add more teams to the list.:notworthy

[Dynastybegan86]

Massey also uses scores. Strength of defense doesn't mean anything if you don't have scores. Yardage isn't so important because it doesn't directly effect who wins or loses, score does.

Read the link.

http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm

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[dada]

Massey also uses scores. Strength of defense doesn't mean anything if you don't have scores. Yardage isn't so important because it doesn't directly effect who wins or loses, score does.

Read the link.

http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm

It's been a long day dude...maybe I'm just not grasping it right now:D But it seems that the Massey rankings put too much into it....

Team A is 9-0.....Team B is 9-0 The combined W/L record of Team A's opponets is 52-29.....the combined W/L record of Team B's opponets is 34-46. I don't see how scores, location or any of the other intangibles can say that one team is better than the other. I'm confusing myself now...lol

[Dynastybegan86]

Other still in the lead, so next time add more teams to the list.:notworthy

Out of those 50 votes how many are ET's?

[Fleeman93]

Katy may or may not have the best defense in the state but coupled with Katy's offense, I think it will be at the very least enough to accomplish Katy's primary goal.


One thing that I do think is very interesting is that coming into this year everyone thought Katy would have an outstanding experienced offense (and they do), but everyone also thought the defense would be a big question mark. Not bad when you are supposed to be a big question mark and you are being talked about as one of the best in the state.

[stinger]

I have just figured that out! I went to the last page first and noticed my "good fan" stinger had responded to my post earlier, so I was responding to him. I have just reviewed all this garbage people keep throwing out there. Katy may or may not be the best in the state, but they are certainly in the top 3 from the schools I have seen play that we are discussing.SOME ET fans just can't except the truth sometimes(they are good, but..you know). You tried:notworthy (I just wanted to use the new smiley)

I think your smiley follows you around inside your back pockets!!!

[eagleike]

Katy is playing in a really weak district so some of these stats are misleading. As for Katy v Madison......Katy needs to fire up the afterburners or they won't get past Strake Jesuit:eek:

[dada]

Katy is playing in a really weak district so some of these stats are misleading. As for Katy v Madison......Katy needs to fire up the afterburners or they won't get past Strake Jesuit:eek:

:rolleyes:....Yep...they will be one and out just like they do every year.

[DragonFan]

SLC

The SLC offense puts so much pressure on the opposing team that the opposing team's offense tries to push to much which then causes mistakes which allow SLC offense to have the ball and score some more points.

The best defense is having the best offense!

[Dynastybegan86]

I think your smiley follows you around inside your back pockets!!!

Yeah it usually burps right about the time I start reading your posts!

[Dynastybegan86]

Katy is playing in a really weak district so some of these stats are misleading. As for Katy v Madison......Katy needs to fire up the afterburners or they won't get past Strake Jesuit:eek:

I just threw up in my mouth.

CYRIDGE, BYE-BYE swoopy!

[Dynastybegan86]

This thread has been quiet for a while, a few more votes for "other" so I am going to say Katy has the 2nd best D in the state, everyone agree and we can move on, even you stinger! I'll stipulate that since the OP massacre ET has the best D in the state, but Katy has #2. :Music

[Pool Man]

Katy is playing in a really weak district so some of these stats are misleading. As for Katy v Madison......Katy needs to fire up the afterburners or they won't get past Strake Jesuit:eek:

You know what else is misleading is the fact that usually the starters for Katy are sitting on the bench drinking Gatorade by the end of the third quarter. Another thing that is misleading is your football knowledge. Do you really think Katy will have trouble with Strake?????:rolleyes:

[dada]

You know what else is misleading is the fact that usually the starters for Katy are sitting on the bench drinking Gatorade by the end of the third quarter. Another thing that is misleading is your football knowledge. Do you really think Katy will have trouble with Strake?????:rolleyes:

He said he would be impressed if they beat Elsik....he LIED!!!!!!!!! LOL People question Katy as if they are a one hit wonder or something....just don't get it.

[MADFAN#1]

You know what else is misleading is the fact that usually the starters for Katy are sitting on the bench drinking Gatorade by the end of the third quarter. Another thing that is misleading is your football knowledge. Do you really think Katy will have trouble with Strake?????:rolleyes:

I am sure the same can be said for all of the other top Defenses, so the stats probably even themselves out. Madison had shutouts until the fourth quarter and then 2nd and 3rds were brought in. So this is not just a Katy thing. :D

[stinger]

Yeah it usually burps right about the time I start reading your posts!

Nice comeback....bbbuuurrrpppp!!!!:notworthy:puke

[Pool Man]

He said he would be impressed if they beat Elsik....he LIED!!!!!!!!! LOL People question Katy as if they are a one hit wonder or something....just don't get it.

Right! Surely he can't be serious.

[Dynastybegan86]

Right! Surely he can't be serious.

100! Congrats!

[Dynastybegan86]

Nice comeback....bbbuuurrrpppp!!!!:notworthy:puke

SNIFF, listen....do you smell something?:laugh

[stinger]

SNIFF, listen....do you smell something?:laugh

The voice has changed...but the breath is the same:puke

[eagleike]

You know what else is misleading is the fact that usually the starters for Katy are sitting on the bench drinking Gatorade by the end of the third quarter. Another thing that is misleading is your football knowledge. Do you really think Katy will have trouble with Strake?????:rolleyes:


I would put my football knowledge up against just about anyone on this board.

And yes, Strake Jesuit can beat Katy. Not likely but I have watched both teams play this year and SJ is no pushover. This game will not be like the Ft Bend teams ya'll are used to playing.

[Fleeman93]

I would put my football knowledge up against just about anyone on this board.

And yes, Strake Jesuit can beat Katy. Not likely but I have watched both teams play this year and SJ is no pushover. This game will not be like the Ft Bend teams ya'll are used to playing.


How would you see the score going in order for the jesuits to win that game?

[Dynastybegan86]

How would you see the score going in order for the jesuits to win that game?

1 hurricane vs Katy, the Jesuits tie. Other than that, they can't score enough. :outlaw :laugh

[eagleike]

How would you see the score going in order for the jesuits to win that game?


It will need to be around 24-20 type game. SJ can't just out score Katy. They will need a turnover or two. McVaney to Burck is a good combo and will test Katy's db's.

SJ beat up your little brother Cinco and put 450 yards on Cy Ridge.

This game will be no beat down.

[eagleike]

I just threw up in my mouth.

CYRIDGE, BYE-BYE swoopy!

Shephard will get introduced to the real deal: Craig Loston

[Dynastybegan86]

Shephard will get introduced to the real deal: Craig Loston

"I would put my football knowledge up against just about anyone on this board" eagleiky

:laugh :laugh


You seem to be proving that well:confused: :rolleyes:

[Fleeman93]

It will need to be around 24-20 type game. SJ can't just out score Katy. They will need a turnover or two. McVaney to Burck is a good combo and will test Katy's db's.

SJ beat up your little brother Cinco and put 450 yards on Cy Ridge.

This game will be no beat down.


I am just trying to work through this with you EagleIke. So you think the jesuits will hold Katy to their lowest point total on the season (20 under 24)? You also think Katy will give up the most points they have given up (24 over 13)? So you are saying this will be the best offense and defense that Katy has faced this year?

[dada]

I am just trying to work through this with you EagleIke. So you think the jesuits will hold Katy to their lowest point total on the season (20 under 24)? You also think Katy will give up the most points they have given up (24 over 13)? So you are saying this will be the best offense and defense that Katy has faced this year?

Keep in mind this is the same guy who said "If they can stop Elsik, I'd be impressed"

[Fleeman93]

Keep in mind this is the same guy who said "If they can stop Elsik, I'd be impressed"


You have to make guys like this answer questions to see how their brain floats in their head.

[fitz400]

You have to make guys like this answer questions to see how their brain floats in their head.

people like that have there brains floating UPSIDE DOWN lol

[eagleike]

"I would put my football knowledge up against just about anyone on this board" eagleiky

:laugh :laugh


You seem to be proving that well:confused: :rolleyes:

Loston is a junior and better than ANY defensive player Katy has put on the field.

[slcdragonfan]

Well, I think that Trinity just put a stake in the ground, maybe a telephone pole, to claim their share of best defense. That was not just ugly, it was bugly:puke for Bell. That was just one awesome D showing tonight. Congrats Haka dancers, dance big tonight!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[eagleike]

Keep in mind this is the same guy who said "If they can stop Elsik, I'd be impressed"

Katy did a decent job stopping Hills and Smith...both were under a 100 yards. But my point in the previous posts was that in any game I watched Katy play against the spread is that they miss tackles and don't play aggressive defense. Cy Falls has shown that over the last two years and Hastings this year. Elsik doesn't run the spread offense like those two.

Katy is a very good team this year. No question. But can be beat by making their LB's and Corners play in a wide open field.

Again, not saying it will happen but don't think SJ, although out manned, will roll over. Ft. Bend Marshall learned a hard lesson 2 years ago.

[Dynastybegan86]

Loston is a junior and better than ANY defensive player Katy has put on the field.

Your fingers are typing, but there is nothing coming up on the screen.

All I see is Blah, Blah, Blah, B, Blah!

How about before you type anymore, you take your pacifier out so we can see your reasoning:(

What has Loston done that's any better than let's say....Trent Hunter?

[mojo71]

Abilene has to be up there in one of the top D`s in the land, LB Williams is one awesome football player and bad news he is only a junior.
Permian Defense is also a great one to watch, they are surely not scared to hit you right in the mouth.

Weber, while I am not an x's and o's analyst, I do have SOME experience in watching great football in West Texas and around the state. Most of the teams mentioned in above threads, I have not yet had the privilege of watching, but I have watched those in your post and I agree with all of your comments. :notworthy

Here's to a great game tonight, and safe play for all on the field.

MOJO will NOT be taking this game for granted, as some have suggested, and I suspect it will be a great game to listen to. I wish I could be there, but alas, the trip from East Texas to Ratliff is just too far for me this week.

:D

[eagleike]

Your fingers are typing, but there is nothing coming up on the screen.

All I see is Blah, Blah, Blah, B, Blah!

How about before you type anymore, you take your pacifier out so we can see your reasoning:(

What has Loston done that's any better than let's say....Trent Hunter?


Hunter can play.....I have seen him get better and better over the last 3 years.

You see with Ike being so bad over the last few I go to see a lot of the teams in the area play. Katy was my adopted team. So don't take my posts wrong.

Just be ready for the Crusaders. They can win this game.

I have thought past the first few rounds and I want Katy to represent against Smithson Valley. Cy Falls will get beat by the Rangers defense and offense.

Only looking out for H-town down the road.

[trojanbacker]

As I watched Trinity put another shutout on the board and hold another good running back to his season low, I realized how good this defense is...and how much better they are than when the season started. Arguably the best D in the state.

[jbusch]

More fun with statistics, words and twisted logic

Well after 11 games Trinity currently lays claim to the title this week

Katy's defense must have stayed home as they "allowed" 18 points. Geez


Skylines opponet opened the flood gates with 10 points

That leaves ET with 74 points allowed, Skyline with 78 and Katy 82.


NOT EVEN CLOSE


:D:D

[Dynastybegan86]

nm

[HomeofChampions'06]

This comparison stat is interesting.....comparing the 2000 Katy team to this years 2007 Katy team.

Total points 2000 Team (through 10 games): 392-57
Total Points 2000 Team: 626-126
Total points 2007 Team (through 10 games): 442-64*
*7 came off of an Aundre Dean fumble in the A&M Consolidated game. So if you really look at it these defenses were identical.

I would count on a shut out against Houston Madison next weekend. I'm guessing Joseph gave them an earfull for the 18 pts they allowed.


Home of Champions

[Warriorman]

I guess the choice for other is purple for Warren because they have constantly shown they are a good defense. After the playoffs has started the defense has come through time after time. Now we got Madison next and they have their own spot in Good defenses. After the game this friday This poll will clearly show who the best defense is. Madison should not even be up there. Shame on those who do not know a good defense when they see one. :(