What About Clemens

[SCBuffs]

what does everyone think about Schertz Clemens this year?

[lonny23]

what does everyone think about Clemens this year?
Boy, he helped the Astros out today! I'm glad he didn't retire. :D


OK, I changed your quote and think Clemens is real good. We'll see over the next 4 weeks how a probable matchup with Judson will turn out. Whoever wins that game goes to the semis.

[TexasRed6x]

Since you asked, it's to early to tell, they have played to many cream puffs so far. I know I will hear it but before everyone gets all up with that add up the win and losses of the teams they have played and I bet they don't even reach .400.

[lonny23]

Since you asked, it's to early to tell, they have played to many cream puffs so far. I know I will hear it but before everyone gets all up with that add up the win and losses of the teams they have played and I bet they don't even reach .400.
I think pathetic is too nice of a word for Clemens opponents. I'll give them that Roosevelt is a decent team and makes the playoffs in some districts, but not 26-5A. Waco is a past playoff performer, but having a down year in a tough district. Austin High and Highlands don't even deserve the space and neither does Taylor.

Here's the tale of the tape with current records and power ratings before this week:

Clemens vs.
Waco 1-5 163.84
Roosevelt 3-3 176.45
Taylor 3-3 145.52
Austin 2-4 161.52
Highlands 2-4 150.49
Jefferson 0-6 135.10

Judson vs.
Nixon 4-2 174.33
Cove 6-0 188.97
Pflugerville 4-2 180.11
Lee 1-5 153.37
Smithson Valley 5-1 193.93
Roosevelt 3-3 176.45

We talk about the 170 teams as playoff teams and guys in the 160's are decent, so only 1 of Clemens' 6 opponents is playoff-caliber. Judson has played 5 playoff caliber opponents so far. Teams in the 180's and above ate the top teams and Judson has played 3 of them. That's why we talk about Clemens and doubt what they will do in the playoffs.

[SCBuffs]

i think clemens could take judson any day! and for smithson valley they arent trash but they arent nearly as good as they were last year. i went to the smithson valley / macarthur game... smithson valley is lacking on defense! all sv does is work off their opponents mistakes. Clemens Vs SV , James Henry would run all over them! and the buffalo defense would hold SV to almost nothin. thats what i think. and Sv beat Judson soo i dont know. Clemens has a good team, you'll jus have ta wait n see

[RedRage00]

After watching Judson last night I'd have to say Clemens will take 'em down.

RR

[Reaganrattler07]

They beat a tough Roosevelt team :rolleyes:

Judson doesn't seem like it was last year. And SV, from what I've heard, is better...but maybe Clemens is better.

[SFAlobo]

I think any team starts a season undefeated for this many games has to be a formidable opponent for anyone...you cant really hang your hat on strength of schedule because NO program is going to load their schedule with top programs that's crazy...you can only beat who you play...and so far no one has been able to figure them out. The time will come when they will have establish themselves, that is what the playoffs are for.

[TexasRed6x]

i think clemens could take judson any day! and for smithson valley they arent trash but they arent nearly as good as they were last year. i went to the smithson valley / macarthur game... smithson valley is lacking on defense! all sv does is work off their opponents mistakes. Clemens Vs SV , James Henry would run all over them! and the buffalo defense would hold SV to almost nothin. thats what i think. and Sv beat Judson soo i dont know. Clemens has a good team, you'll jus have ta wait n see


Hey SCbuff - did you are didn't you ask the question about Clemens? Why in the world would you get upset about the comments then, grow up if you are going to ask questions then at least don't blast the people that respond. I guess you wanted all to tell you how great Clemens is and how they will win state, and they are the best since sliced bread, get over yourself. Clemens is good OK but I don think they have played a team that is very good and thats that.

[Xfballphenome05]

Clemens from what i heard....one man offense,impressive D.....i dont see clemens(if it were to happen)beating judson or SV.judson and SV are more well rounded than clemens,and when fireing on all cylinders,are definatly considered some of the best teams in the state.Example-Sv jumped out to a 21-0 lead 1 minute into the second quarter agaisnt mac,then lost focus.

[Go Buffs]

i think clemens could take judson any day! and for smithson valley they arent trash but they arent nearly as good as they were last year. i went to the smithson valley / macarthur game... smithson valley is lacking on defense! all sv does is work off their opponents mistakes. Clemens Vs SV , James Henry would run all over them! and the buffalo defense would hold SV to almost nothin. thats what i think. and Sv beat Judson soo i dont know. Clemens has a good team, you'll jus have ta wait n see
Oh no, here we go again! :eek: :eek:

SCBuffs, please stop now. A couple of years ago we had a Clemens youngster come on this very board making all kinds of outrageous comments before the Katy game in the semi's. He made a ridiculous comment about the Katy O-linemen being too fat and non-athletic to stand up to the Clemens defense. The comments ended up in the Katy newspaper and Tiger locker room. The rest is history...

SCBuffs, you ever hear the old saying, "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it"? Learn from history. Just come on here, cheer your team, back your team, defend your team, that's all good. Just don't go over the edge making outrageous claims like those above. They usually come back and bite...hard.

[DiamondJ2]

SOS, looking for respect. so far they are undefeated. tough opponents or not. SC & Henry desires to play Judson to avenge last years domination. both have business to finish in respective districts. naturally, Judson's is a little more difficult. Clemens biggest test will be San Marcos & maybe on an off/on night Seguin.

[Go Buffs]

Clemens from what i heard....one man offense,impressive D....
Keep preaching and believing it brother. ;)

[JackHandey_98]

i went to the smithson valley / macarthur game... smithson valley is lacking on defense! all sv does is work off their opponents mistakes. Clemens Vs SV , James Henry would run all over them! and the buffalo defense would hold SV to almost nothin.




all they do is work off opponents mistakes? is that wrong? do you think they cause some of those mistakes?.... because theyve been capitalizing off of mistakes for years now. Clemens doesnt work off of opponents mistakes? Theyll be in trouble then. Wait......thats right...... SV will be in trouble because ALL they do is work off opponents mistakes, and Clemens doesnt make mistakes because theyve played juggernauts like Highlands and Jefferson.

[zippy]

I think when you might be wondering if you killed a guy on a prior play, it can have an impact. That QB was hurt bad, or at least they thought he was. Not to mention the other teams added drive..



Clemens from what i heard....one man offense,impressive D.....i dont see clemens(if it were to happen)beating judson or SV.judson and SV are more well rounded than clemens,and when fireing on all cylinders,are definatly considered some of the best teams in the state.Example-Sv jumped out to a 21-0 lead 1 minute into the second quarter agaisnt mac,then lost focus.

[zippy]

I love how people think when SV scores from interceptions, fumbles, bad special team, etc. that this is just luck. Over the past 5 years they sure do have A LOT OF LUCK. If they only know how much time and effort were put into making these things happens, they would understand... Its called a great defense. Not mistakes from the other team.


all they do is work off opponents mistakes? is that wrong? do you think they cause some of those mistakes?.... because theyve been capitalizing off of mistakes for years now. Clemens doesnt work off of opponents mistakes? Theyll be in trouble then. Wait......thats right...... SV will be in trouble because ALL they do is work off opponents mistakes, and Clemens doesnt make mistakes because theyve played juggernauts like Highlands and Jefferson.

[lonny23]

Lonny's football thoughts 101:

Each turnover is worth 100 yards. For every turnover you're behind in the +/- turnover ratio, you need 100 more yards just to be equal in scoring.

Teams that hit hard cause turnovers and mistakes.

As long as you play good red zone defense, you'll win games.

If you cause the other team to turn the ball over, you're going to get great field position and probably win the game.

You can give up a BUNCH of yards and win if you get fumbles and INT's.

[mad_fan]

i think clemens could take judson any day! and for smithson valley they arent trash but they arent nearly as good as they were last year. i went to the smithson valley / macarthur game... smithson valley is lacking on defense! all sv does is work off their opponents mistakes. Clemens Vs SV , James Henry would run all over them! and the buffalo defense would hold SV to almost nothin. thats what i think. and Sv beat Judson soo i dont know. Clemens has a good team, you'll jus have ta wait n see


I think if Madison or Reagan is the DI representitive for 265, Clemens has a chance. Did I type that out loud. :eek:

[clemensbuff]

Teams in the 180's and above ate the top teams and Judson has played 3 of them. QUOTE]

AND LOST TO TWO OF THEM AND SHOULD'VE LOST TO THE THIRD!

By the way Lonny, Judson didn't quite win by 30 against Roosevelt, now did they? And, Roosevelt was missing what, 6 or 7 starters!

[clemensbuff]

Clemens from what i heard....one man offense,impressive D.....i dont see clemens(if it were to happen)beating judson or SV.judson and SV are more well rounded than clemens,and when fireing on all cylinders,are definatly considered some of the best teams in the state.Example-Sv jumped out to a 21-0 lead 1 minute into the second quarter agaisnt mac,then lost focus.

You may be right, but maybe not! Who kept SV from going to the state finals in the last 4 years? Lost their focus? Come on, give Mac a little credit for playing you tough and making some good adjustments after the early part of the game. Coach Hill had no problem admitting that Mac was a hand full!!!

[clemensbuff]

I think if Madison or Reagan is the DI representitive for 265, Clemens has a chance. Did I type that out loud. :eek:

So, you're saying CJ is out of the playoffs? That is a very bold prediction!

[clemensbuff]

I love how people think when SV scores from interceptions, fumbles, bad special team, etc. that this is just luck. Over the past 5 years they sure do have A LOT OF LUCK. If they only know how much time and effort were put into making these things happens, they would understand... Its called a great defense. Not mistakes from the other team.

How many times has SV won games (BIG GAMES) when they have been outgained the entire night? I couldn't even count that high!!! It' s called great coaching. It is simply playing good defense and taking every good opportunity you get and putting points on the board with them.

[clemensbuff]

Clemens from what i heard....one man offense,impressive D.....i dont see clemens(if it were to happen)beating judson or SV.judson and SV are more well rounded than clemens,and when fireing on all cylinders,are definatly considered some of the best teams in the state.Example-Sv jumped out to a 21-0 lead 1 minute into the second quarter agaisnt mac,then lost focus.

You've heard some correct things. Our defense is very good!

But, one man offense, I don't think so. We have one man on offense that is All American, along with a couple of D-1 lineman and a possible D-1 Tightend. The rest of the offense has some talent also. If Clemens can just keep improving and take care of business against a good SM team in two weeks and Seguin in four weeks, we could make a little noise in the playoffs!

[mad_fan]

Allow me to quote myself...I think if Madison or Reagan is the DI representitive for 265, Clemens has a chance. Did I type that out loud. :eek:

Operative worked... IF

Your question:What about Clemens?

Answer:I think if Madison or Reagan is the DI representitive for 265, Clemens has a chance.

Alternative answer:I think if Madison or Reagan are NOT the DI representitive for 265, Clemens has NO chance.

So, you're saying CJ is out of the playoffs? That is a very bold prediction!

I can't see where you got a bold prediction about Judson out of what I think about Clemens.

[Reaganrattler07]

So what are the most populated schools; Reagan, Madison and Judson?

Reagan most likely won't make the playoffs. Judson probably will and Madison probably will as well.

I think Judson still goes D-1...unless my stats are wrong and Madison is larger...

[SLCDad]

Clemens has the #16 scoring offense, the #1 defense in points allowed and is #5 is averge margin of victory. Outstanding!

[mad_fan]

So what are the most populated schools; Reagan, Madison and Judson?

Reagan most likely won't make the playoffs. Judson probably will and Madison probably will as well.

I think Judson still goes D-1...unless my stats are wrong and Madison is larger...


Population is Judson, Reagan, Madison...

[mad_fan]

Clemens has the #16 scoring offense, the #1 defense in points allowed and is #5 is averge margin of victory. Outstanding!

We beat that to death here:

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=2166

Outstanding stats, but somewhat less than impressive when you look at the raw data.

[bubbacoach]

SLCdad sure does know alot of stats.

Clemensbuff, Haven't we had this conversation before. You may not be one of them, but now do you see what I talking about. What if, woulda , shoulda, coulda, give me respect. I think the farther that we get into this season and the more I hear and see the Rockets, the more I believe you guy's will be playing Westfield or Norhtshore in the Semi's. That is where you will earn your respect.

[J-ROCKSTUD79]

i think clemens could take judson any day! and for smithson valley they arent trash but they arent nearly as good as they were last year. i went to the smithson valley / macarthur game... smithson valley is lacking on defense! all sv does is work off their opponents mistakes. Clemens Vs SV , James Henry would run all over them! and the buffalo defense would hold SV to almost nothin. thats what i think. and Sv beat Judson soo i dont know. Clemens has a good team, you'll jus have ta wait n see

what an idiot.

[mad_fan]

SLCdad sure does know alot of stats.

Clemensbuff, Haven't we had this conversation before. You may not be one of them, but now do you see what I talking about. What if, woulda , shoulda, coulda, give me respect. I think the farther that we get into this season and the more I hear and see the Rockets, the more I believe you guy's will be playing Westfield or Norhtshore in the Semi's. That is where you will earn your respect.

now buffy, that's a prediction....

[implacable44]

what about Clemens ? they will lose to Judson.

[mad_fan]

SLCdad sure does know alot of stats.

Those numbers came from Jerry's...

Also form Jerry's

State
Rank SA Area Teams
8 5A - 26 Smithson Valley (5-1) 191.79
10 5A - 26 Converse Judson (4-2) 188.76
13 5A - 25 Schertz Clemens (6-0) 186.49
27 5A - 26 San Antonio Madison (5-1) 179.84
29 5A - 27 San Antonio John Jay (4-2) 178.96
31 5A - 25 San Marcos (6-1) 178.74
34 5A - 27 San Antonio O'Connor (4-2) 177.81
42 5A - 27 San Antonio Clark (5-1) 176.10
45 5A - 26 San Antonio MacArthur (4-2) 175.61
46 5A - 26 San Antonio Roosevelt (3-3) 175.60

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/20055AStateRanks.html

NO I'm not implying ANYTHING (in this post). The stats sited by Dad are useless in and of themselves. The one's I posted may be useless...they are to me. I broke perfectly good computer table with my head trying to talk stats on here before. The odd thing is you must go to three different page to pull the hat trick of stats that Dad did...why not go to a forth page (combined weekly rating) and pull what I posted. I mean it must right...

1 5A - 5 Southlake Carroll (6-0) 208.23
2 5A - 12 Longview (7-0)

Right?

The only reason I can see is if it doesnt suit your purpose at the moment. I'll bet that #1 SLC stat has been post elsewhere, but without some of the other stats included. You should know where this stuff comes so you can see what was left out.

[Bucky]

Clemens has the #16 scoring offense, the #1 defense in points allowed and is #5 is averge margin of victory. Outstanding!

Stats are for LOSERS!!!! #1 Defense in points allowed? Of all clemens opponents..which one has an offense worth a damn? Its easy to have the #1 defense when you dont play anyone...It will all come out about Nov 11th.

And to answer your question "What About Clemens" "


The answer is WHO FREAKIN' CARES ABOUT CLEMENS. Only when you get out of your weaka$$ district will anyone care about clemens..so keep beat the little sisters of SA and we will see you in round 1 :cool:

[DiamondJ2]

yawn

[Bucky]

Stats are for LOSERS!!!! #1 Defense in points allowed? Of all clemens opponents..which one has an offense worth a damn? Its easy to have the #1 defense when you dont play anyone...It will all come out about Nov 11th.

And to answer your question "


The answer is WHO FREAKIN' CARES ABOUT CLEMENS. Only when you get out of your weaka$$ district will anyone care about clemens..so keep beat the little sisters of SA and we will see you in round 1 :cool:


Im sorry..that sounded angry...What I meant was just ..who cares!! :cool:

[stressybessy]

It doesn't matter what district Clemens is in these threads will never change. Until Clemens is making the playoffs in 5A year after year and making it further that the first round we will continue to have these kind of discussions.

Of course for Clemens to make the playoffs year after year in 5A is impossible since we will be 4A next year and probably for years to come.

I would like to think that this is the year we make it to the big dance, it would be great for the school and the team. I believe this team and thier new coach can do it but it is really hard to tell just how great they are when our schedule is so weak (anyone in their right mind has to acknowledge this) Our stats are good but what would they be if we had a couple of close games? Who knows. But I have faith that the Buffaloes will be ready for Judson and I know they have the talent to win. Go Buffs.

[mad_fan]

Im sorry..that sounded angry...What I meant was just ..who cares!! :cool:


That answer is why I never made a "What about Madison? thread.

[zippy]

I honestly cant think of one in the past 4 years. Yea, San Benito, it was a big game, but it was also 52-0. Other than that it is very few. One reason they dont gain a lot is because they play the clock better than anyone. They dont go all out on every drive like some teams. They just march down the field and use up the clock. The defense is good enough to get some turnovers, and they win. Also they dont get stats on all the defensive TD's that they get. Like against Judson this year, on the punt block.


How many times has SV won games (BIG GAMES) when they have been outgained the entire night? I couldn't even count that high!!! It' s called great coaching. It is simply playing good defense and taking every good opportunity you get and putting points on the board with them.

[Gridiron Gopher]

I agree on giving Mac credit. I too was at the game and SV was the hardest hitting team that I've seen this year. Mac raised the level of their game after the injury to Schmid and went toe to toe with SV. SV made the big plays (2 int in their endzone and 2yd line) and that was the difference) and that's what it usually takes to win.
As for SV not being as good as last year I disagree. At this point in the season they seem a little better then last year and could get better. My concern for them is that they can be passed on by a team that does it well. When they made the adjustments for the pass, their run defense dropped off. Mac's 3 td's where all good drives and the 2 ints that SV got where after they had given up long drives of 85yds and 76yds before the pics.The fact that Mac rushed for over 220 yds and only had to pass for a 130+ would concern me more if I were at SV. Just the week before they pretty much shut down Judson's offense. I believe SV will run the table on the district games and then we'll have to see how they do once they get into the playoffs.

Madison could give them trouble only if the Mav's can show they can pass. If they can't SV will shut down Madison's running game.

[clemensbuff]

I can't see where you got a bold prediction about Judson out of what I think about Clemens.[/QUOTE]


The bold prediction I'm speaking of is that by you saying that Madison or Reagan would be the D1 rep out of 26-5a is the same as saying Judson will not make the playoffs because the UIL is working off last year's enrollment numbers!

[clemensbuff]

what about Clemens ? they will lose to Judson.

Not unless your Rockets improve greatly in the next 4 weeks! If they don't it will probably be a toss-up who wins. I'll stick with Clemens. Your Rockets struggled against Roosevelt this past week and Roosevelt was missing 1/3 of their starters!

[clemensbuff]

Stats are for LOSERS!!!! #1 Defense in points allowed? Of all clemens opponents..which one has an offense worth a damn? Its easy to have the #1 defense when you dont play anyone...It will all come out about Nov 11th.

And to answer your question "


The answer is WHO FREAKIN' CARES ABOUT CLEMENS. Only when you get out of your weaka$$ district will anyone care about clemens..so keep beat the little sisters of SA and we will see you in round 1 :cool:

The only thing that I'd almost agree with you on is that stats don't mean a thing. But, since Clemens shut down Roosevelt (even when they had all their starters) better than the Rockets did, I'd say our defense is every bit as good as the Rockets! And another thing, our weaka$$ district has already got a W from one of your front runners in 26-5a this year! So, in turn who gives a crap about a dumb A$$ like you, Mr. Bucky!

[mad_fan]

The bold prediction I'm speaking of is that by you saying that Madison or Reagan would be the D1 rep out of 26-5a is the same as saying Judson will not make the playoffs because the UIL is working off last year's enrollment numbers!

okay, buffy, i am typing realllllllll slow. I DIDNT SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID I SAID. Go back, read, comprehend. I didnt say WOULD BE. Go read what I posted and dont misquote me because Lonny will send Judson after me.

[clemensbuff]

okay, buffy, i am typing realllllllll slow. I DIDNT SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID I SAID. Go back, read, comprehend. I didnt say WOULD BE. Go read what I posted and dont misquote me because Lonny will send Judson after me.

OK, so is what you are saying is that Clemens would have no chance against Judson this year in the playoffs?

[Bucky]

The only thing that I'd almost agree with you on is that stats don't mean a thing. But, since Clemens shut down Roosevelt (even when they had all their starters) better than the Rockets did, I'd say our defense is every bit as good as the Rockets! And another thing, our weaka$$ district has already got a W from one of your front runners in 26-5a this year! So, in turn who gives a crap about a dumb A$$ like you, Mr. Bucky!


Dont get personal peter puffer. You like Clemens and no one really gives a *****. You can compare who beat who all you want..What really matters is that you and Judson both get to the playoffs in Div 1 and we can see who's Defense is better..Put up a poll and ask who gives a ***** about clemens and who doesnt give a ***** about clemens and Ill bet i win!! Miss. clemensbuttmuncher

[Bucky]

OK, so is what you are saying is that Clemens would have no chance against Judson this year in the playoffs?


That pretty much what everyone is saying... Get over yourself..

[BuffPride06]

Hey Bucky, i believe i speak for all of us clemens football players when I say bring on the Rockets. And there's no comparison of the defenses of Judson and Clemens. We're still furious with last years loss to Judson. Hows that old saying go? Payback's a bit**!! And we're not just 1-dimensional, we have 4 capable backs and a group of receivers who can catch passes from a quarterback whos gettin better every day. I hope to see you in Round 1. ;)

[clemensbuff]

Dont get personal peter puffer. You like Clemens and no one really gives a *****. You can compare who beat who all you want..What really matters is that you and Judson both get to the playoffs in Div 1 and we can see who's Defense is better..Put up a poll and ask who gives a ***** about clemens and who doesnt give a ***** about clemens and Ill bet i win!! Miss. clemensbuttmuncher

OK Mr. Bucktooth! I was trying to be decent to you in my past posts, now it's on. You are an arrogant piece of S--t! I'm sure all of the real Judson fans really appreciate having a major league JACKA$$ like you posting here! If you haven't seen either team this year than you have absolutely no basis on which to base your opinion on, thus what you say is total BULLS--t! If I do decide to put up a pole on this site, it will be something like who is the biggest AHOLE posting here. That way you'll be sure to win something you braind dead, Mullet head! So for all the Clemens fans out there, go post on another thread so we don't have to read your crap anymore.

My guess is that maybe you harbor some type of grudge against Clemens from something that happened in your past. Whatever, I really couldn't give a crap less about a moron like you!

If you'll look back at my posts from the past you'll see that 90% of the ones that I written on Judson have been very respectful. I said 90%, the other 10% are when responding to an AHOLE like you who just can't seem to go without taking pot shots at Clemens anytime you can!

[Slim-Rob]

Clemens is a very good team, Judson is a very good team. Hopefully we meet in Week 11 and Prove who is better.

[BuffPride06]

Thank you Rocket, its good to see people who realize there are 2 good teams who would play a hell of a game and leave it all out on the field and not just someone who wants to put down the other team. It would be a great game regardless of the outcome.

[mad_fan]

KT2000, now THIS is what I thought your Clemens thread would degenerate into. :D

[SLCDad]

Those numbers came from Jerry's...

NO I'm not implying ANYTHING (in this post). The stats sited by Dad are useless in and of themselves. The one's I posted may be useless...they are to me. I broke perfectly good computer table with my head trying to talk stats on here before. The odd thing is you must go to three different page to pull the hat trick of stats that Dad did...why not go to a forth page (combined weekly rating) and pull what I posted. I mean it must right...

1 5A - 5 Southlake Carroll (6-0) 208.23
2 5A - 12 Longview (7-0)

Right?

I imported the points scored and points allowed numbers from Jerry's site and then calculated per game points sored/allowed and winning margin. That was my work (actually I did it for every 5A team).

I didn't mention the power ratings but since you posted it, SLC has moved into the #1 spot. Longview has been #1 all season up to this point. A Longview fan posted these power ratings previously.

[clemensbuff]

Clemens is a very good team, Judson is a very good team. Hopefully we meet in Week 11 and Prove who is better.

RocketTRN, thanks for seeing it the way it is and saying so. Man, if the Redskins could win every game for the next ten years, they could even their record with the Cowboys! LOL I had a friend who played 7 years with the Skins and I still hate their guts and livers! LOL even louder

How is that big receiver doing? Is there any word on what college he is leaning to?

[clemensbuff]

KT2000, now THIS is what I thought your Clemens thread would degenerate into. :D

You can thank Mr. Bucktooth for that.

[SLCDad]

Im sorry..that sounded angry...What I meant was just ..who cares!! :cool:I enjoy looking at stats. No doubt any analysis of stats alone will be flawed. Stats provide an interesting view of football. When a team is producing strong stats, it can be a good indicator about the team even though they may not have received much recognition in the polls or press. If you want to know who the sleepers are this year, look at the stats.

[rattlerbacker]

KT2000, now THIS is what I thought your Clemens thread would degenerate into. :D


Junior high name calling? The high school student posters haven't stooped to that level, I'm real disappointed that someone who claims to be a coach would.

[mad_fan]

I imported the points scored and points allowed numbers from Jerry's site and then calculated per game points sored/allowed and winning margin. That was my work (actually I did it for every 5A team).

I didn't mention the power ratings but since you posted it, SLC has moved into the #1 spot. Longview has been #1 all season up to this point. A Longview fan posted these power ratings previously.


Dad, you're really killin' me here. So you're tellin' me (and everybody) that even though all the calcs are done, you recalc everything instead of using the windows built in cut and paste. Ah, but you did cut and paste the scores (Sorry up there they call it 'imported'); into a spreadsheet, tell us all about how much work that was. And you even did this for Laredo United South!!!!! That must come in handy. :rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

Junior high name calling? The high school student posters haven't stooped to that level, I'm real disappointed that someone who claims to be a coach would.

Agreed, but what 'coach'. I didnt see that.

[rattlerbacker]

Agreed, but what 'coach'. I didnt see that.


My bad, got confused about poster names. You really keep everyone on their toes around here.

[mad_fan]

My bad, got confused about poster names. You really keep everyone on their toes around here.


Oh, I'm confused more than I know what's going on (except statistics).

[Reaganrattler07]

RocketTRN, thanks for seeing it the way it is and saying so. Man, if the Redskins could win every game for the next ten years, they could even their record with the Cowboys! LOL I had a friend who played 7 years with the Skins and I still hate their guts and livers! LOL even louder

How is that big receiver doing? Is there any word on what college he is leaning to?

Was that necessary? :mad:

[DiamondJ2]

Nobody in 26-5A has the luxury of looking ahead 5 weeks from now to playoffs. They are too busy trying to take care of business inside the district. Clemens has a good ballclub, but because of the caliber of teams they have played despite the stats questions about how good they are may have to wait until playoffs. The Padres won their division, but didn't last long in the NL playoffs.

Clemens has a good track record over the last few years and Coach F is more than qualified to be the head coach. As I said in another post, the monkey of the weak schedule is going to be on the Buffs back just like it has been for Region IV teams advancing to meet Region III teams and even when Region IV teams advance to the final game. Until you can win it all or make it to The Dance and even then the weak schedule/region will always be the monkey on the back. To shut everybody up, you have to beat the best to be the best.

[Bucky]

Hey Bucky, i believe i speak for all of us clemens football players when I say bring on the Rockets. And there's no comparison of the defenses of Judson and Clemens. We're still furious with last years loss to Judson. Hows that old saying go? Payback's a bit**!! And we're not just 1-dimensional, we have 4 capable backs and a group of receivers who can catch passes from a quarterback whos gettin better every day. I hope to see you in Round 1. ;)

And I believe that you can talk on this board all you want. I have posted before..I dont like Clemens..I have never lost to clemens..ever. I dont like them simply because im tired of their//"this is our year" crap..Then some little dweeb gets on here and calls me a jack ***. OK I can deal with that..But when I return the favor and call him a butt muncher he gets his panties all wadded up. My post reads like this..SEE YOU IN THE PLAYOFFS but untill then stop with all the this may be the year crap and our defense is better than yours....You might be better than Judson..but as of right now we beat you what was it 31-0 and you had not even 1 first down. I cant remember if it was 31 points or just 31 total yards of offense. Ive beaten clemens so many times that I get the scores messed up! At the end of this years game if you guys want to take a look at my championship ring I might just let you do that. READ MY LIPS SEE YOU IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! Nov 11th I think it is. Im tired of reading how good you are...My bad....Ill stop reading all posts about clemens..untill the week we play.. :cool: Ill try anyway..Sometimes I like getting you guys all wadded up!! :cool:

[Bucky]

OK Mr. Bucktooth! I was trying to be decent to you in my past posts, now it's on. You are an arrogant piece of S--t! I'm sure all of the real Judson fans really appreciate having a major league JACKA$$ like you posting here! If you haven't seen either team this year than you have absolutely no basis on which to base your opinion on, thus what you say is total BULLS--t! If I do decide to put up a pole on this site, it will be something like who is the biggest AHOLE posting here. That way you'll be sure to win something you braind dead, Mullet head! So for all the Clemens fans out there, go post on another thread so we don't have to read your crap anymore.

My guess is that maybe you harbor some type of grudge against Clemens from something that happened in your past. Whatever, I really couldn't give a crap less about a moron like you!

If you'll look back at my posts from the past you'll see that 90% of the ones that I written on Judson have been very respectful. I said 90%, the other 10% are when responding to an AHOLE like you who just can't seem to go without taking pot shots at Clemens anytime you can!

Man..at least you didnt call me a cottonheaded ninnymuggins. Now that would have crossed the line. I have watched Judson play 3 times and I dont have to watch Clemens play. Ill see them in round 1. That will be all I need to see. If Im wrong Ill be wrong ..oh well..Ive seen enough of Clemens to know that once in a 20 year period they will be good enough to beat Judson and that was 2 years ago. So you have about 18 years minimum untill it happens again..Its like a comet..It only happens ever so often and it dosent look good for this year!!!

[lonny23]

I was going to start my own thread for this, but the current thread is a good enough place. I went back and looked at everybody Judson and Clemens have played this year and I'll post the scores, but I will also post what each opponent has averaged scoring and giving up. That gives you a better idea how well the 2 teams play against the relative strength of their opponents.

Clemens first:
Waco gives up 23 and scores 12. 21-0 Clemens, so we'll give them a +10.
Roosevelt gives up 16 and scores 22. 15-3 Buffs, +18.
Taylor gives up 25 and scores 20. 44-6 Buffs, +33.
Austin High gives up 30 and scores 19. 30-7 Buffs, +12.
Highlands gives up 34 and scores 13. 62-10 Buffs, +31.
Jefferson gives up 43 and scores 7. 55-0 Buffs, +19.

Judson now:
Laredo Nixon gives up 17 and scores 28. 63-13 Judson, +61.
C Cove gives up 13 and scores 36. 20-19 Cove, +22.
Pflugerville gives up 19 and scores 33. 22-13 Judson, +23.
Lee gives up 33 and scores 11. 48-0 Judson, +26.
S Valley gives up 14 and scores 27. 21-7 SV, -1.
Roosevelt gives up 16 and scores 22. 23-8 Judson, +21.

Over the course of 6 games, Clemens +/- is 123 points better than their opponents average. Over the same 6 games, Judson is +152. Since Clemens was playing bad teams, what Judson has done is far more impressive!

In case you didn't notice, 5 of the 6 teams Clemens has played are losing teams and 5 of Judson's 6 opponents are winning teams.

The average Clemens opponent scores 16 points. Judson's opponents score 26 points a game. Clemens opponents give up 29 points a game. Judson's opponents give up 19 points a game. That means Clemens should win every game on average by 20 more points than Judson if both teams are of relative equal strength.

Clemens wins 38-4 for a +34. Judson wins 30-13 for a +17. Right now, survey says...

JUDSON BY A FIELD GOAL! WAIT UNTIL THE OFFENSE GETS BETTER! :D

[lonny23]

This was a double post. It's good enough to read twice, but you only have to read it once!

[lonny23]

Come on guys. I was hoping somebody else responded by now!

[mad_fan]

Just woke up and read all that...twice... :D

[bubbacoach]

Man talk about a bunch of tits. You guys and your name calling crack me up. Maturity is a good quality, trust me. The bottom line is all you buttheads nned to grow up. Judson has bragging rights now. When and if they play Clemens in the play-offs then we will see who is the superior team.

[mad_fan]

You have too much time on your hands in kyz......stan. :D

Your analysis paints a better picture of both teams, relative to each other. I just looked at the Clemens end of things in the buy or sell Clemens thread KT2000 started. There I couldn't convince myself to buy because not only do Clemens opponents not score on Clemens, they don't score on anybody. As I said earlier, I still think Clemens best hope of getting passed Round 1 would be to face Madison or Reagan. That's still NOT a prediction.

There are a lot of loser on loser matchups coming up in 25-5A, but none below Seguin will be above .500 on the year...okay, maybe Highlands at .500.

[lonny23]

You have too much time on your hands in kyz......stan. :D

Your analysis paints a better picture of both teams, relative to each other. I just looked at the Clemens end of things in the buy or sell Clemens thread KT2000 started. There I couldn't convince myself to buy because not only do Clemens opponents not score on Clemens, they don't score on anybody. As I said earlier, I still think Clemens best hope of getting passed Round 1 would be to face Madison or Reagan. That's still NOT a prediction.

There are a lot of loser on loser matchups coming up in 25-5A, but none below Seguin will be above .500 on the year...okay, maybe Highlands at .500.
This stuff all comes to me at different times. I was planning a whole thread about it and saw all the fighting and decided it should be here. I don't ever edit my findings. I get an idea and post the results no matter what they say. I knew going in that a lot of the Clemens defense hype is centered on how bad the other teams are. Hey, they always have good defense, but everybody knows a good offense is going to score on a good defense some and more than a bad offense. Judson does a better job scoring on their opponents defense than Clemens does. They also do a relatively better job holding their opponents off the board. The big factor that's hiiden in the whole thing is how much better Judson's opponents are than Clemens' opponents.

I'll put that stuff in my next post.

[lonny23]

I'm back for more! :D

Clemens is playing better this year than last year and in most games Judson has not done as good on the scoreboard, but it looks like their opponents are better this time.

Clemens vs.
Waco -5 to +21
Roosevelt -3 to +12
Taylor +35 to +38
Austin +4 to +23
Highlands +42 to +52
Jefferson +54 to +55

Judson vs.
Nixon +49 to +50
Cove +16 to -1
Pflugerville +3 to +9
Lee +55 to +48
SV +15 to -14
Roosevelt +38 to +15

Clemens' opponents average rating is 155.45.

Judson's opponents average rating is 177.08, which makes them almost 22 points better than the bunch Clemens plays.

That means Clemens plays the likes of these guys every week based upon their current and lacking performance:
Lubbock Coronado
Temple
Lewisville
Pasadena Sam Rayburn
SA Holmes
San Angelo Central

Judson plays these guys:
Denton Ryan
Midland Lee
Galveston Ball
SA O'Connor
SA Clark
Richardson Berkner

[bubbacoach]

Lonny are you talking to yourself.

[clemensbuff]

Nobody in 26-5A has the luxury of looking ahead 5 weeks from now to playoffs. They are too busy trying to take care of business inside the district. Clemens has a good ballclub, but because of the caliber of teams they have played despite the stats questions about how good they are may have to wait until playoffs. The Padres won their division, but didn't last long in the NL playoffs.

Clemens has a good track record over the last few years and Coach F is more than qualified to be the head coach. As I said in another post, the monkey of the weak schedule is going to be on the Buffs back just like it has been for Region IV teams advancing to meet Region III teams and even when Region IV teams advance to the final game. Until you can win it all or make it to The Dance and even then the weak schedule/region will always be the monkey on the back. To shut everybody up, you have to beat the best to be the best.

WELL PUT! Your posts are always worth reading every word!

[lonny23]

Lonny are you talking to yourself.
No, I'm just trying not to put too much info in one post. I wanted to spread the stuff out.

[clemensbuff]

And I believe that you can talk on this board all you want. I have posted before..I dont like Clemens..I have never lost to clemens..ever. I dont like them simply because im tired of their//"this is our year" crap..Then some little dweeb gets on here and calls me a jack ***. OK I can deal with that..But when I return the favor and call him a butt muncher he gets his panties all wadded up. My post reads like this..SEE YOU IN THE PLAYOFFS but untill then stop with all the this may be the year crap and our defense is better than yours....You might be better than Judson..but as of right now we beat you what was it 31-0 and you had not even 1 first down. I cant remember if it was 31 points or just 31 total yards of offense. Ive beaten clemens so many times that I get the scores messed up! At the end of this years game if you guys want to take a look at my championship ring I might just let you do that. READ MY LIPS SEE YOU IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! Nov 11th I think it is. Im tired of reading how good you are...My bad....Ill stop reading all posts about clemens..untill the week we play.. :cool: Ill try anyway..Sometimes I like getting you guys all wadded up!! :cool:

I think is was 31-0 and 31 or 33 total yards and no first downs. But, that was last year and this is not! As far as the Jacka$$ comment, if the shoe fits, then wear it! Like momma always said, the truth hurts!

[clemensbuff]

I was going to start my own thread for this, but the current thread is a good enough place. I went back and looked at everybody Judson and Clemens have played this year and I'll post the scores, but I will also post what each opponent has averaged scoring and giving up. That gives you a better idea how well the 2 teams play against the relative strength of their opponents.

Clemens first:
Waco gives up 23 and scores 12. 21-0 Clemens, so we'll give them a +10.
Roosevelt gives up 16 and scores 22. 15-3 Buffs, +18.
Taylor gives up 25 and scores 20. 44-6 Buffs, +33.
Austin High gives up 30 and scores 19. 30-7 Buffs, +12.
Highlands gives up 34 and scores 13. 62-10 Buffs, +31.
Jefferson gives up 43 and scores 7. 55-0 Buffs, +19.

Judson now:
Laredo Nixon gives up 17 and scores 28. 63-13 Judson, +61.
C Cove gives up 13 and scores 36. 20-19 Cove, +22.
Pflugerville gives up 19 and scores 33. 22-13 Judson, +23.
Lee gives up 33 and scores 11. 48-0 Judson, +26.
S Valley gives up 14 and scores 27. 21-7 SV, -1.
Roosevelt gives up 16 and scores 22. 23-8 Judson, +21.

Over the course of 6 games, Clemens +/- is 123 points better than their opponents average. Over the same 6 games, Judson is +152. Since Clemens was playing bad teams, what Judson has done is far more impressive!

In case you didn't notice, 5 of the 6 teams Clemens has played are losing teams and 5 of Judson's 6 opponents are winning teams.

The average Clemens opponent scores 16 points. Judson's opponents score 26 points a game. Clemens opponents give up 29 points a game. Judson's opponents give up 19 points a game. That means Clemens should win every game on average by 20 more points than Judson if both teams are of relative equal strength.

Clemens wins 38-4 for a +34. Judson wins 30-13 for a +17. Right now, survey says...

JUDSON BY A FIELD GOAL! WAIT UNTIL THE OFFENSE GETS BETTER! :D


Great post Lonny! I'll buy about 99% of what you said above. The only thing that really does not show up is that Clemens could have easily added 20 to 30 points in at least 2 of the games! Great job once again!

But, you still have not explained why Judson only won by 15 points against a depleted Roosevelt team! LOL

[lonny23]

I think is was 31-0 and 31 or 33 total yards and no first downs. But, that was last year and this is not! As far as the Jacka$$ comment, if the shoe fits, then wear it! Like momma always said, the truth hurts!
It was definitely 31-0 and no first downs because I stayed for every last enjoyable second and wanted to see zero first downs! :D The yards were in the low 30's and I don't remember the exact number between 31-33.

[Bucky]

I think is was 31-0 and 31 or 33 total yards and no first downs. But, that was last year and this is not! As far as the Jacka$$ comment, if the shoe fits, then wear it! Like momma always said, the truth hurts!

I guess that's why the butt muncher comment got you so upset..It must have hurt! :cool: Just wait and see. It really doesnt bother me that a kid from Clemens thinks Im a jacka$$ ..not at all...You can call me anything you want on the internet..I wouldnt do it in person if I were you but that is the beauty of hiding behind a computer screen. I try not to call names on here but I guess when you argue with a girl you have to argue like a girl. Ill say it again...about clemens WHO CARES!!!! Truth hurts!!

[bubbacoach]

Great post Lonny! I'll buy about 99% of what you said above. The only thing that really does not show up is that Clemens could have easily added 20 to 30 points in at least 2 of the games! Great job once again!

But, you still have not explained why Judson only won by 15 points against a depleted Roosevelt team! LOL
Don't you guys know there is a human factor in every game. Rivalries, etc..

[lonny23]

Great post Lonny! I'll buy about 99% of what you said above. The only thing that really does not show up is that Clemens could have easily added 20 to 30 points in at least 2 of the games! Great job once again!

But, you still have not explained why Judson only won by 15 points against a depleted Roosevelt team! LOL
I smarted off about 30 points at first, but went back and looked at TR's power rating and stuck with 20. TR averages 22 points a game and gives up 16, so they're not a bad team. I can't dog Clemens for winning by 12 because Judson only won by 15. As far as I know, the missing starters aren't on defense.

[lonny23]

Don't you guys know there is a human factor in every game. Rivalries, etc..
Yes, there is. I'm just picky, though. I want Judson to always win by 40 even though I know they won't.

[Bucky]

Who does Clemens play this week anyway? I might just have to swing on by and check them out!!!!! I want to see this MIGHTY defense and this new and improved offense. Im sure I wont see anything new. Just another year that Clemens thinks they are better than Judson!! :cool:

[lonny23]

Who does Clemens play this week anyway? I might just have to swing on by and check them out!!!!! I want to see this MIGHTY defense and this new and improved offense. Im sure I wont see anything new. Just another year that Clemens thinks they are better than Judson!! :cool:
at SA Southwest. Clemens is favored by 33 points.

Hey, Tedtaotao and a few others smarted off to me in 2003 that they were going to beat Judson after the first game and they did it. The Judson players sure didn't think so when I told them about it, but it happened.

[bubbacoach]

Clemens is talked about way to much. Can we start a thread to do with anything that matters?

[mad_fan]

FIVE PAGES on a Clemens thread!!!!! I hope those who were fellin' no respected, feel better. If not, well we're talkin' 'bout ya'll anyway...that's progress...

Next, we gonna get some respect for Madison.

[DiamondJ2]

rockets beat a depleted Roosevelt team? If that is the case then it must have been a pretty equal game with the Rockets missing 4-5 players, too. bottom line both teams won over Roosevelt. As Bubba said, it was a rivalry game and anything can happen.

[clemensbuff]

I guess that's why the butt muncher comment got you so upset..It must have hurt! :cool: Just wait and see. It really doesnt bother me that a kid from Clemens thinks Im a jacka$$ ..not at all...You can call me anything you want on the internet..I wouldnt do it in person if I were you but that is the beauty of hiding behind a computer screen. I try not to call names on here but I guess when you argue with a girl you have to argue like a girl. Ill say it again...about clemens WHO CARES!!!! Truth hurts!!

First of all if you think your name calling bothered me you are sadly mistaken! What bothered me is your complete lack of respect and arrogance. Furthermore, if you think that I'm a HS kid, you are way off base! And another thing, if you think that I sweat you are anyone else, you are wrong. As far as being a girl, you are about as far off as thinking I'm a HS kid! I'm actually 37, 6'4", 240LBS.

[clemensbuff]

Don't you guys know there is a human factor in every game. Rivalries, etc..

No doubt, and a big one! That's why I predict a victory this year. Like I've said before, the taste in this teams mouth from the whoopin CJ gave them last year is still very strong! This is what could make the difference in a game with two evenly matched teams.

[bubbacoach]

First of all if you think your name calling bothered me you are sadly mistaken! What bothered me is your complete lack of respect and arrogance. Furthermore, if you think that I'm a HS kid, you are way off base! And another thing, if you think that I sweat you are anyone else, you are wrong. As far as being a girl, you are about as far off as thinking I'm a HS kid! I'm actually 37, 6'4", 240LBS.

You sure don't act like it!

[clemensbuff]

Who does Clemens play this week anyway? I might just have to swing on by and check them out!!!!! I want to see this MIGHTY defense and this new and improved offense. Im sure I wont see anything new. Just another year that Clemens thinks they are better than Judson!! :cool:

Wait until next week, this week will not be worth watching! The SM game should be a dandy.

[clemensbuff]

Clemens is talked about way to much. Can we start a thread to do with anything that matters?

LIKE YOUR CHAMPIONSHIP RING? LOL

[clemensbuff]

FIVE PAGES on a Clemens thread!!!!! I hope those who were fellin' no respected, feel better. If not, well we're talkin' 'bout ya'll anyway...that's progress...

Next, we gonna get some respect for Madison.

There hasn't been a whole lot of respect flying around this thread! LOL I do respect Madison and hope that they run the district this year. It could only make our district look better since SM beat you guys earlier in the year. GOOD LUCK TO THE MAVS!!!

[bubbacoach]

There hasn't been a whole lot of respect flying around this thread! LOL I do respect Madison and hope that they run the district this year. It could only make our district look better since SM beat you guys earlier in the year. GOOD LUCK TO THE MAVS!!!
Buff we have had this conversation before. You know what I think. I am just saying stop being so damn defensive of the Buffs. PS Got two hogs this weekend

[clemensbuff]

You sure don't act like it!

AND YOU DO? LOOK AT MY RING!!! I'VE GOT MY RING!!! WHERE ARE ALL THE RINGS FOR ALL THE CLEMENS PLAYERS? Don't try and play out like your some kind of angel and haven't made your share of childish comments on some of your posts.

You have certainly not missed a chance to jump into any thread about Clemens and put your $.02 worth of demeaning comments in. Real mature, especially for a coach! Whoever you are coaching, I really hope that you play Clemens this year and tell your kids how over-rated we are and don't deserve a lick of respect.

[bubbacoach]

AND YOU DO? LOOK AT MY RING!!! I'VE GOT MY RING!!! WHERE ARE ALL THE RINGS FOR ALL THE CLEMENS PLAYERS? Don't try and play out like your some kind of angel and haven't made your share of childish comments on some of your posts.

You have certainly not missed a chance to jump into any thread about Clemens and put your $.02 worth of demeaning comments in. Real mature, especially for a coach! Whoever you are coaching, I really hope that you play Clemens this year and tell your kids how over-rated we are and don't deserve a lick of respect.
I played ya'll last year and your season was then over.

[clemensbuff]

Buff we have had this conversation before. You know what I think. I am just saying stop being so damn defensive of the Buffs. PS Got two hogs this weekend

If I didn't defend them, what kind of supporter would I be? Glad to hear you had a good weekend. Go back and get about 20 more before they over-populate and ruin your deer hunting! LOL I had a great weekend at the ranch myself, even though we worked our tails off. I sat in one of my stands Saturday morning and had 11 bucks out at one time. Of the 11, 8 of them were 8 points or better and 2 were shooters! Can't wait for them to start chasing around the does a little to see some of the really mature ones!

[clemensbuff]

I played ya'll last year and your season was then over.

Well then, I know where you were last year. I would make a bet that you are about 7 miles to the east now! LOL Since you totally thrashed us, the least you could have done was won the title so we could have at least lost to the state champs!!! Although it wouldn't have really matted if we lost to the Super Bowl Champs in that manner, it still would have stung! NO FIRST DOWNS really hurts!!!

[bubbacoach]

If I didn't defend them, what kind of supporter would I be? Glad to hear you had a good weekend. Go back and get about 20 more before they over-populate and ruin your deer hunting! LOL I had a great weekend at the ranch myself, even though we worked our tails off. I sat in one of my stands Saturday morning and had 11 bucks out at one time. Of the 11, 8 of them were 8 points or better and 2 were shooters! Can't wait for them to start chasing around the does a little to see some of the really mature ones!
All I saw was 30 + hogs. I think our threads are getting out of order. I am replying to something before I see your next one. I will just say this about Clemens, They are a good team that does not need to ask for respect. They will or have earned what respect they have. I hope they win every single game they play except for when they play Judson.

[bubbacoach]

Well then, I know where you were last year. I would make a bet that you are about 7 miles to the east now! LOL Since you totally thrashed us, the least you could have done was won the title so we could have at least lost to the state champs!!! Although it wouldn't have really matted if we lost to the Super Bowl Champs in that manner, it still would have stung! NO FIRST DOWNS really hurts!!!
No I am not at the new school. I am still in the area, but no longer with JISD. I even stated on this thread earlier that I think Clemens will beat judson this year and make it to the semi-finals, Where they will have a chance to earn their respect and hopefully a shot at the title.

[clemensbuff]

No I am not at the new school. I am still in the area, but no longer with JISD. I even stated on this thread earlier that I think Clemens will beat judson this year and make it to the semi-finals, Where they will have a chance to earn their respect and hopefully a shot at the title.

Sorry, I did read that post!

[clemensbuff]

All I saw was 30 + hogs. I think our threads are getting out of order. I am replying to something before I see your next one. I will just say this about Clemens, They are a good team that does not need to ask for respect. They will or have earned what respect they have. I hope they win every single game they play except for when they play Judson.

I know that we are out of order and that is my fault. But it really doesn't matter all that much as long as we can keep it straight.

Thanks for the support, and I can totally respect and admire your loyalty to CJ! As I've said here many times before, whoever does beat CJ, EARNS IT!

[Bucky]

Wait until next week, this week will not be worth watching! The SM game should be a dandy.

Thats a good idea. Where is that game gonna be?

[Bucky]

First of all if you think your name calling bothered me you are sadly mistaken! What bothered me is your complete lack of respect and arrogance. Furthermore, if you think that I'm a HS kid, you are way off base! And another thing, if you think that I sweat you are anyone else, you are wrong. As far as being a girl, you are about as far off as thinking I'm a HS kid! I'm actually 37, 6'4", 240LBS.

Damn..you're one big girl!!! :cool:

[Bucky]

Clemensbuff- You started the name calling thing again. We went through this before. I wasnt reading the name..I didnt even realize that I was arguing with you again..lol Im just jackin with ya...I thought I was pissin off someone else...stop calling people names..Its not nice :cool:

[clemensbuff]

Thats a good idea. Where is that game gonna be?

At the Buffalo pen! Come on by and see what promises to be a great game between two good teams! While your there, why don't you drop off an application for employment, we could use a coach with championship experience!

[clemensbuff]

Damn..you're one big girl!!! :cool:

AND UGLY TOO! LOL

[clemensbuff]

Clemensbuff- You started the name calling thing again. We went through this before. I wasnt reading the name..I didnt even realize that I was arguing with you again..lol Im just jackin with ya...I thought I was pissin off someone else...stop calling people names..Its not nice :cool:

I promise to do my best. LOL I bet you that if we hunted together there would be a hell of a lot of fun! Did you get your ring from the 2002 Rockets? If you did that was one amazing season. I'll never forget the game at Clemens, 14-13 Judson! If someone would have told me after that game that the Rockets would win it all that year, I'd have bet everything I had against it! It just goes to show that if you have kids that believe and a coaching staff that knows there S--t, it can be done.

[bubbacoach]

I promise to do my best. LOL I bet you that if we hunted together there would be a hell of a lot of fun! Did you get your ring from the 2002 Rockets? If you did that was one amazing season. I'll never forget the game at Clemens, 14-13 Judson! If someone would have told me after that game that the Rockets would win it all that year, I'd have bet everything I had against it! It just goes to show that if you have kids that believe and a coaching staff that knows there S--t, it can be done.
Yea I think there would be way to much smack talking going on to get any hunting done. But, that is what hunting is about good times and comradere.
Good Luck against the garter snakes.

[SCBuffs]

New Year, New Teams, New Players, New Coaches.. there is soo much that can happen! all u can do is predict. Clemens Vs Judson..it'll b a great game! but i honesty think Clemens will come out on top.

[lonny23]

Damn..you're one big girl!!! :cool:
She's a little tall for SA girls, but 240 is about right for her weight! :D

[lonny23]

No I am not at the new school. I am still in the area, but no longer with JISD. I even stated on this thread earlier that I think Clemens will beat judson this year and make it to the semi-finals, Where they will have a chance to earn their respect and hopefully a shot at the title.
I know most of the guys went to Wagner and we had one guy become AD, but one guy left coaching all together and I'm guessing that's you! :D

[bubbacoach]

I know most of the guys went to Wagner and we had one guy become AD, but one guy left coaching all together and I'm guessing that's you! :D
Good guess, but wrong again. There was one coach that went to East Texas to be a head coach. And I did not say I left Judson last year. I just said I was there in 2002.

[lonny23]

Good guess, but wrong again. There was one coach that went to East Texas to be a head coach. And I did not say I left Judson last year. I just said I was there in 2002.
What's wrong with Judson so far this year? The defense seems to be OK, but the offense and special teams aren't what they've been in the past.

[bubbacoach]

They are having to adapt to basically a whole new coaching staff and a new offensive scheme. The defensive philosophy basically stayed the same with a few tweaks, but the offense is completely different. I have heard from different sources that some of the kids are questioning the offense and not buying into it. Sometimes you cannot teach old dogs new tricks(seniors and some juniors). It will work itself out, maybe not this year, but soon. But I do not think Judson will ever be Judson as we know it again. I hope I am wrong.

[clemensbuff]

They are having to adapt to basically a whole new coaching staff and a new offensive scheme. The defensive philosophy basically stayed the same with a few tweaks, but the offense is completely different. I have heard from different sources that some of the kids are questioning the offense and not buying into it. Sometimes you cannot teach old dogs new tricks(seniors and some juniors). It will work itself out, maybe not this year, but soon. But I do not think Judson will ever be Judson as we know it again. I hope I am wrong.

I think you're right about Judson will not ever be Judson as we know again. But only because they will continue to face better competition every year. I don't think that there will be any one team dominate 5a football for so long a period as they did ever again in the SA area! I also truly beleive that loosing roughly 1/2 of your student body will effect the teams depth every year. There is just simply no way possible they will have 2nd and 3rd teamers that will be as good as in years past. That fact alone is hard to overcome late in the year (playoff time) when injuries, grades, or whatever take there toll on starters.

[lonny23]

You guys could be right about Judson, but I hope you're wrong.

[clemensbuff]

You guys could be right about Judson, but I hope you're wrong.

Don't worry too much Lonny, because Judson will still be an outstanding program in the years to come. It's not like they are going to go Robert E. Lee on us anytime soon. I'm just saying that I don't think that they, or anyone else for that matter will totally dominate for that many years in a row again! I still think that CJ will be one of the best programs in this region for years to come, just not totally dominate like years before. I especially believe this will be true as long as Rackley stays. I don't see how any kid would not give 100% for him all of the time! Once they adapt to, and start to believe in the new offense it will make a huge difference. And that could very easily happen before the playoffs this year. I have never seen a CJ team that didn't get better and better as a season went on, so it would really surprise me if that didn't continue this year.

[DiamondJ2]

Don't be shocked if some changes occur on the staff if Judson does falter in the final 4 games and/or does the same next year.

[Reaganrattler07]

Judson will be good from here on out....they won't be as good as they were...in my opinion. But they will definately be good. The only difference is they'll be like a normal team from now on.....with the occasional losses here and there.

[bubbacoach]

Judson will be good from here on out....they won't be as good as they were...in my opinion. But they will definately be good. The only difference is they'll be like a normal team from now on.....with the occasional losses here and there.
Judson will never be a normal team, to much history and to many traditions.

[lonny23]

I guess it's normal that we're talking about Judson in the Clemens thread because we always talk about Clemens in the Judson threads! :D

[clemensbuff]

I guess it's normal that we're talking about Judson in the Clemens thread because we always talk about Clemens in the Judson threads! :D

Weird how that goes, isn't it! All I can say is whoever takes region 4 in both devisions, get it done! I'll support any team from our region over any other team in the state! All it does when one of our teams wins it all or at least makes it to the final is make the whole area look that much better!