View Full Version : Projected Brackets (Wk. 7 Update) Posted
KT2000
10-09-2005, 03:18 PM
I've updated the brackets based on the results from last week. Keep in mind this is very much all in fun and based on "if the season ended today."
So, if your team is 1-2 having played a tough start to district, but are not in the bracket because of a "weaker team" being 2-1 against easier teams...see above.
Projected Playoff Brackets (Wk. 7) (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/stateplayoffs.htm)
The only guess work I had to do was in districts that have multiple teams tied up for one spot, and haven't all played each other yet. For that, I tried to go with common opponent results when possible as well as all of the other obvious factors yall know about.
For example, Katy and Southlake Carroll joined the Division 1 bracket projections this week.
In Carroll's case, Fossil Ridge and Grapevine moved to 2-1 with big wins (third place tie right now). Ridge beat Colleyville Heritage (now 1-2 in district) and Grapevine beat Keller 48-13. Ryan is currently sitting at the top with Carroll (3-0).
Grapevine and Fossil Ridge play next week, so the way I determined who to pick in the bracket this week was to take a common opponent result. Each team played Keller in back to back weeks. Fossil Ridge beat Keller 16-8 and Grapevine beat them 48-13, so I picked Grapevine. That's not the most accurate method to predict the outcome of the game they'll play this week, but it's the most accurate I had to go by right now. A Fossil Ridge win over Grapevine this week puts Carroll back in Div. II, and a Grapevine win keeps them in Div. I. So, the Fossil Ridge-Grapevine game could carry big implications on how the playoff brackets will shape up. Games like that are why I do these projected brackets...so yall can see things fall into place.
In Katy's case, Alief Taylor beat Elsik 23-20 creating a 4-way tie for third place. 19-5A will only play five games instead of 6 with the make-up games from Hurricane Rita voted down. So, by putting Katy in Division 1, I made the projection that the Tigers (2-0), Strake Jesuit (currently 2-0) would be the top two teams and that Alief Taylor would eventually be the third team based on their head to head win over Elsik. So, it go very sketchy for this district and wasn't that murky for any other I came across. Katy's fate likely won't be decided until the final week because nothing is certain in the district other than the Tigers at the top right now.
Again, these projections are just meant so you can see things fall into place as we make our way through district. Enjoy!
t00 playa
10-09-2005, 03:28 PM
wow Div I REgion III looks loaded, with memorial, katy, westfield, north shore and pearland all bundled together......
and thats only the beginning... with Converse, Euless, SLC looming in other regions....
SFAlobo
10-09-2005, 03:36 PM
Wow...DI looks like it could be loaded... if that plays out...the team that wins has to be considered one of the best state champs of all time.
cougardude
10-09-2005, 03:41 PM
Just FYI, Midland Lee is 2-4 not 3-3.
LoboFan07
10-09-2005, 05:21 PM
2nd round match up with Dallas White or Carrollton Creekview? Wow..I've never even heard of Dallas White.
Lufkin is the only team I see that I would even care to play, in our part of the Region that is.
Dallas White
Carrollton Creekview
South Garland
Longview
Harker Heights
Lufkin
Stony Point
Hays Consolidated
Wow..
baylordad
10-09-2005, 05:55 PM
WOW, Euless Trinity vs. SLC in bi-district. Has to be one of the greatest bi-district games ever. I remember a few high rated / undefeated teams meeting in the first game of the playoffs, but not many. I know Lewisville caught a couple of undefeated teams in bi-district. Sure hope both teams stay healthy because ET and SLC will need all hands.
KT2000
10-09-2005, 06:04 PM
Far from set in stone, but interesting how it looks now to say the least.
baylordad
10-09-2005, 06:11 PM
Far from set in stone, but interesting how it looks now to say the least.
I hear that KT but it sure would make for a great game. Thanks for the Projected Brackets
KT2000
10-09-2005, 06:28 PM
It's pretty amazing to think that arguably the #1 and #2 teams in the state could play each other in BI-DISTRICT.
I think that would unearth one of the huge flaws in the playoff system we currently have. Enrollment is the initial filter and performance comes after that (to seed Div. II teams).
We need a completely performance based system because, at the 5A level, enrollment is proven time and again to carry little signifance. Teams like Smithson Valley who barely have 5A enrollments field rosters twice that of bigger schools. Yall know my stance on this though.
However, too early to get ahead of ourselves on that. I hope everyone is strapped in because this ride is about to get crazy through the end of district and into the playoffs as always.
farmerfan
10-09-2005, 06:40 PM
WOW, Euless Trinity vs. SLC in bi-district. Has to be one of the greatest bi-district games ever. I remember a few high rated / undefeated teams meeting in the first game of the playoffs, but not many. I know Lewisville caught a couple of undefeated teams in bi-district. Sure hope both teams stay healthy because ET and SLC will need all hands.
The thing that gets sick is that the winner of that game would get a very good Plano team who will most likely be sitting at 11-0.
myround0
10-09-2005, 06:42 PM
Longview might have to let North Mesquite win, dang I must admit division 1 is loaded...flat out the states best teams look to hook up in division 1. I just wish there was a way Lobos could recount their students and move into division 1...Katy, Westfield, North Shore, Trinity, and Carroll...wow, Lufkin and Longview are all that is missing for a recipe that would wet any football fan's appetite.
LoboFan07
10-09-2005, 06:51 PM
Longview might have to let North Mesquite win, dang I must admit division 1 is loaded...flat out the states best teams look to hook up in division 1. I just wish there was a way Lobos could recount their students and move into division 1...Katy, Westfield, North Shore, Trinity, and Carroll...wow, Lufkin and Longview are all that is missing for a recipe that would wet any football fan's appetite.
Might have to let North Mesquite win? What does that have to do with anything?
myround0
10-09-2005, 07:00 PM
come on dude, you know I was joking, as much as i would like to settle the Lobos, Carroll, trinity dispute...I don't care to see us lose one GAME, if we have to go Division 2 so be it...
LoboFan07
10-09-2005, 07:02 PM
I still don't get what North Mesquite would do. If we let North Mesquite win, and they go to the playoffs...we would go Division 2...
We would've had to let Mesquite Horn beat us for us to go Division 1..and we already beat them 52-14.
Think ya got your Mesquite's messed up LOL
Red Raiders
10-09-2005, 07:51 PM
WOW OMG........... *shocked* Southlake Carroll vs Euless Trinity in Bi-District got to be one heck of Best Bi-District ever in High School history. I am telling you, I have no idea whos going to win for that game and both team defense is not good so I am sure the points will be really high like both teams with 40 points. I am sure Southlake Carroll fans are worried now because if they lose than I don't know what to say but Euless Trinity is very good!
myround0
10-09-2005, 08:53 PM
I still don't get what North Mesquite would do. If we let North Mesquite win, and they go to the playoffs...we would go Division 2...
We would've had to let Mesquite Horn beat us for us to go Division 1..and we already beat them 52-14.
Think ya got your Mesquite's messed up LOL
you are correct I got my teams wrong...we need horn to get on the ball...the district competition is really close. Horn and Mon williams needs to get on the ball.
myround0
10-09-2005, 08:55 PM
WOW OMG........... *shocked* Southlake Carroll vs Euless Trinity in Bi-District got to be one heck of Best Bi-District ever in High School history. I am telling you, I have no idea whos going to win for that game and both team defense is not good so I am sure the points will be really high like both teams with 40 points. I am sure Southlake Carroll fans are worried now because if they lose than I don't know what to say but Euless Trinity is very good!
It is not just Southlake Carroll and Trinity, but there is also, Houston Westfield and Katy in division 1.
farmerfan
10-09-2005, 08:56 PM
WOW OMG........... *shocked* Southlake Carroll vs Euless Trinity in Bi-District got to be one heck of Best Bi-District ever in High School history. I am telling you, I have no idea whos going to win for that game and both team defense is not good so I am sure the points will be really high like both teams with 40 points. I am sure Southlake Carroll fans are worried now because if they lose than I don't know what to say but Euless Trinity is very good!
Southlake has a very good defense, in all their years in 5A this is the best defense I have seen out of the Dragons.
drgnbkr
10-09-2005, 09:29 PM
WOW OMG........... *shocked* Southlake Carroll vs Euless Trinity in Bi-District got to be one heck of Best Bi-District ever in High School history. I am telling you, I have no idea whos going to win for that game and both team defense is not good so I am sure the points will be really high like both teams with 40 points. I am sure Southlake Carroll fans are worried now because if they lose than I don't know what to say but Euless Trinity is very good!
I'm not receiving you very well here...are you saying that Carroll fans are worried?..Are you saying that Carroll's defense is'nt very good?...Your breaking up on us here...surely your not saying that....Come in good buddy...your not making any sense...hello?
AllenEagle06
10-09-2005, 09:36 PM
I wouldn't get your hopes up. GV will most likely lose Fossil Ridge and Heritage :( . It would be nice to see SLC and ET play though.
eagleike
10-09-2005, 09:36 PM
If this weeks projections play out it would sure take some of the luster off of the DII winner's trophy.
The winner in DII, possibly SV, Lufkin, or Longview would always have an question mark next to their name on the trophy.
With teams like Schertz, Judson, Westfield, North Shore, Katy, SLC, Trinity all competing for the DI title, DII seems left out in the cold.
chap fan
10-09-2005, 09:40 PM
I think it's a little early to annoint Stony Point the third place finish in 15-5A. They still have to play Leander and Pflugerville and I don't think anyone expects them to win either of those games. When you look at the schedules left, Georgetown looks like it could have a good chance, and McNeil could still make it if they take control of their situation. I'd almost bet that Stony Point won't still be there at the end of the season, but it's great that they've improved so much and are competitive this year.
It would be nice to see SLC and ET play though.
Too bad Dragon coaches turned down an opportunity to play them in a non-conference matchup.
dragonfootballfan
10-09-2005, 09:54 PM
Too bad Dragon coaches turned down an opportunity to play them in a non-conference matchup.
I want proof.
drgnbkr
10-09-2005, 10:00 PM
I want proof.
There was no turn down...don't pay any attention to them...they are just trying to stir things up...
Seated at the SLC game this past Friday night, I was told by a player's parent (and athletic booster club member) that Todd Dodge turned down a 2-yr agreement to play Euless Trinity.
I'm not one to start rumors, and the guy may have had bad info, but I thought it was interesting. And the source seemed credible enough to me.
dragonfootballfan
10-09-2005, 10:13 PM
Seated at the SLC game this past Friday night, I was told by a player's parent (and athletic booster club member) that Todd Dodge turned down a 2-yr agreement to play Euless Trinity.
I'm not one to start rumors, and the guy may have had bad info, but I thought it was interesting. And the source seemed credible enough to me.
They really think that they know so much. They here from one person one thing and tell all their friends and they tell all their friends and so on. So many rumors get started like that all the time. There has been so many posts about this topic in past threads.
They really think that they know so much. They here from one person one thing and tell all their friends and they tell all their friends and so on. So many rumors get started like that all the time. There has been so many posts about this topic in past threads.
So you're saying the dad had bad info? That's fine if true.
dragonfootballfan
10-09-2005, 10:17 PM
So you're saying the dad had bad info? That's fine if true.
no, it could have been good information, but it is just as likely to be bad information
dentonRYAN
10-09-2005, 10:29 PM
Denton Ryan vs Irving Mac in first round.....hmmmm.......havent i seen this before.....lol
CLFalcon2006
10-09-2005, 10:37 PM
screw D II there is gonna be one state champion in Texas this year and its coming out of D I.
Look at these first round match ups
Lamar V Westfield
Pearland V North Shore
Judson V Clemens
Woodlands V Consolidated
South Lake Caroll V Euless Trinity (HOLY CRAP)
if this bracket comes through we are in store for a show
FootballJunkie
10-09-2005, 11:09 PM
screw D II there is gonna be one state champion in Texas this year and its coming out of D I.
Look at these first round match ups
Lamar V Westfield
Pearland V North Shore
Judson V Clemens
Woodlands V Consolidated
South Lake Caroll V Euless Trinity (HOLY CRAP)
if this bracket comes through we are in store for a show
WoW!!! That is a pretty bold statement. I would imagine there are some schools that may go DII that may disagree with that.
CLFalcon2006
10-10-2005, 12:19 AM
WoW!!! That is a pretty bold statement. I would imagine there are some schools that may go DII that may disagree with that.
We'll the best teams in D-II according to the bracket are Longview, Abiliene, Carter, Cove, and Lufkin.
All fo those teams are great teams, I just don't think that if any of them played Euless or SLC or Westfield, North Shore, or Katy they would win. Some would be in the game but not victorious.
Personally I think lufkin is coming out of D-II on top and one can make a case for them. But everyone knows who would come out of SLC and Lufkin victorious or Trinity and Lufkin.
And just for the record Im a Lufkin fan ever since I read the chronicles story about how most of the team continued to play football even after some had lost everything because of Rita. If that dosen't spell determination and spirit right there i dunno what does.
farmerfan
10-10-2005, 01:57 AM
No one is factoring in Plano. I had my doubts about the Wildcats before the season started, but after the whippings they have givne PWSH and Allen the last two weeks, this team will make some noise in the playoffs. They are the type of team who given the chance could upset either Trinity or SLC if they were to fall in the same division. I can't remember the last time someone went into Allen and beat the Eagles 45-7, this team looks poised to make a deep playoff run. As a old school fan, I get excited to see the Wildcats sitting at 6-0 and killing teams with option football.
StormingCowboy
10-10-2005, 08:02 AM
2nd round match up with Dallas White or Carrollton Creekview? Wow..I've never even heard of Dallas White.
Lufkin is the only team I see that I would even care to play, in our part of the Region that is.
Dallas White
Carrollton Creekview
South Garland
Longview
Harker Heights
Lufkin
Stony Point
Hays Consolidated
Wow..
Don't worry you won't see W.T. White in the playoffs unless they upset Carter or Skyline(like last year but it won't happpen this year) and Samuell loses to Molina or Sunset. Samuell has already lost to Skyline and beaten White and plays Carter this week.
SLCDad
10-10-2005, 10:28 AM
Seated at the SLC game this past Friday night, I was told by a player's parent (and athletic booster club member) that Todd Dodge turned down a 2-yr agreement to play Euless Trinity.
I'm not one to start rumors, and the guy may have had bad info, but I thought it was interesting. And the source seemed credible enough to me.LOL Are you trying to insinuate that SLC is afraid of Trinity. That's a joke. You say "I'm not one to start rumors" but you just did. How many other teams did SLC turn down? (many)
This story has been going around for a couple of years. It's always started by Trinity fans who want to take a shot at SLC. That's probably where the player's parent got it. You think players parents are good sources of schedule information? SLC's 2005 non-district schedule was completed over two years ago.
Coach Dodge has nothing to prove by playing Trinity. He doesn't get caught up in this "challenge" crap. That's why he would never go to Ohio or other such foolishness. If Todd Dodge turned down a game against Trinity it certainly wasn't out of fear. His focus is to build a team so that it's the best it can be at playoff time. He should never be concerned about every team that wants to schedule a challenge game. Trinity isn't the only team that would love to get SLC on their schedule.
Trinity has never won anything. Perhaps they could learn from Coach Dodge about running a football program. They have great athletes every year and yet haven't been able to win yet. Trinity has a great team and perhaps this will be the year for them. Until they win, any talk about being afraid to schedule another team is stupid.
LOL Are you trying to insinuate that SLC is afraid of Trinity. That's a joke. You say "I'm not one to start rumors" but you just did. How many other teams did SLC turn down? (many)
This story has been going around for a couple of years. It's always started by Trinity fans who want to take a shot at SLC. That's probably where the player's parent got it. You think players parents are good sources of schedule information? SLC's 2005 non-district schedule was completed over two years ago.
Coach Dodge has nothing to prove by playing Trinity. He doesn't get caught up in this "challenge" crap. That's why he would never go to Ohio or other such foolishness. If Todd Dodge turned down a game against Trinity it certainly wasn't out of fear. His focus is to build a team so that it's the best it can be at playoff time. He should never be concerned about every team that wants to schedule a challenge game. Trinity isn't the only team that would love to get SLC on their schedule.
Trinity has never won anything. Perhaps they could learn from Coach Dodge about running a football program. They have great athletes every year and yet haven't been able to win yet. Trinity has a great team and perhaps this will be the year for them. Until they win, any talk about being afraid to schedule another team is stupid.
I believe your long post proves that SLC doesn't want the challenge of playing a hard-nosed team before they have to. Other top teams in the state schedule tough opponents to begin the season for several reasons. If Dodge wanted to prepare his team for a physical team down the road, he would do well to give his team a taste earlier in the year. If he turned down this Trinity challenge, the natural reaction is to believe he is "dodging" a potential worthy opponent that would actually challenge his team.
dragonfootballfan
10-10-2005, 10:48 AM
I believe your long post proves that SLC doesn't want the challenge of playing a hard-nosed team before they have to. Other top teams in the state schedule tough opponents to begin the season for several reasons. If Dodge wanted to prepare his team for a physical team down the road, he would do well to give his team a taste earlier in the year. If he turned down this Trinity challenge, the natural reaction is to believe he is "dodging" a potential worthy opponent that would actually challenge his team.
what Challenge team has Trinity scheduled this year? Also how many titles does SLC have? How many does Trinity have? Who do you think knows more about winning championships SLC or Trinity? I don't think it matters who you think SLC should schedule. How many titles have you led a team to.
KT2000
10-10-2005, 10:52 AM
Or maybe they already had a team scheduled and couldn't cancel? Perhaps it was during Carroll's off week? Nate, it seems like you are fishing for something that isn't there. You seem really geared up to take some second hand info, at best it sounds like, and run with it.
Anyway, let's say the information is true and Dodge didn't want to schedule them....who cares? I'm just being honest. Carroll's track record speaks for itself.
I was just taken back by the comment at the game, that's all. SLC has nothing to prove. And it seemed kind of snobby to comment that Trinity needs to "earn" their way into SLC's class to secure a potential non-district game against the Dragons. SLC can and will beat every other spread offense in the state. From a fan's perspective, I'd love to see SLC and Trinity line up against each other. I'm probably selfish, but that matchup has the potential to be much more enjoyable than some of these other blowouts I've witnessed.
farmerfan
10-10-2005, 11:21 AM
Trinity has never won anything. Perhaps they could learn from Coach Dodge about running a football program. They have great athletes every year and yet haven't been able to win yet. Trinity has a great team and perhaps this will be the year for them. Until they win, any talk about being afraid to schedule another team is stupid.
I doubt SLC is afraid of Trinity, and im sure there are plenty of fans around NE Tarrant that would love to see a Trinity/Carroll matchup, I know I would. But to say that Trinity has never won anything is ignorant at best. Trinity has been winning games for a long time, and usually runs up against the evenutal state champ in the playoffs. For years Trinity had some great teams that could have made deep playoff runs, but they ran into tough teams in the 1st or 2nd round, back when you had to open up the playoffs against Lewisville and then play Duncanville it got brutal. In 98 Trinity had a great team, they were 11-0 when they went to Duncanville to play a playoff game against the Panthers, Duncanville was able to escape with a very close victory and Duncanville went on to win the state championship that year. Same said for 2001 Trinity was a semifinalist and had were crusing against Lufkin till a remarkable comeback by Lufkin eleminated them, Lufkin won the state title the following week. Last year Trinity had a darn good football team, had what it took to win a state title, but in the semis ran into a buzzsaw from Tyler Lee and got beat once again in the semis, Tyler Lee went on to win a state title. I realize that the Trojans dont have the prestige of a Carroll, or the titles, but to say they have never won anything is laughable. Trinity is one of the most consistant programs in the state and will eventually win a state title.
You say they could learn a lot from Coach Dodge about running a program, if Mr Dodge was so great at running programs how come he could not turn it around at Newman Smith or Fossil Ridge? Also Trinity is coached by a former Carroll assistant and proven Coach in Steve Lineweaver, Carroll never took off as a dominant program until Coach Ledbetter hired Coach Lineweaver. So I think Coach Lineweaver knows how to run a program and win.
So why can you blame a Trinity fan for wanting to prove themselves against Carroll, to me it seems like it could make for one heck of a rivalry, two schools seperated by less than 10 miles and a coach at Trinity with ties to Carroll, I think it is only a matter of time before the UIL puts Trinity and Carroll together in a district. Until then we can only hope for a Trinity/Carroll matchup in the playoffs this year, it would be the best 1st round matchup in the history of the playoffs.
dragonsdaddy
10-10-2005, 11:26 AM
there are so many factors that play into a non-district schedule. many times, coaches/ads go into the turmoil assuming being in a district with certain teams, and work-up a nd sked accordingly. if the uil throws a curve, then everyone has to scramble. many teams have a rivalry that takes precedence (see lp-nac, and slc-coppell) and sometimes outside influences are predominant(slc-mlee). the main thing dodge does with his sked is prepare his team as well as possible for district, and the eventual po's. scheduling on a dare has yet to be a technique that has appealed to him. btw, except for pleasing fans lascivious interests, how would either team be served with a non-district bloodletting, when the goal is to play and win late in december. i don't think any one gets trophies that matter from september games.
DragonFan
10-10-2005, 11:33 AM
A lot of times the team playing in September is not the same team that is playing in November! Remember Tyler Lee last year, or Euless Trinity last year. Beating a team in September does not mean that you will beat that team in November or December. Once again look at Tyler Lee and Trinity last year. Trinity won the early game, Tyler Lee won the game that counted.
This year SLC was rotating running backs, QB's and other possition players to see who would be the best fit and give the Dragons the best chance for the playoffs! Once District started then all the pieces have been in place and the results are well documented.
LoneStarProud
10-10-2005, 11:35 AM
Whatever scenario plays itself out would be interesting. On one hand I would welcome the challenge of a DII run with another Lufkin/SLC match-up, or the chance to play a high octane Longview team. Not to be disrespectful to other potential teams who may work themselves into the bracket. The Lufkin/SLC rivalry is always a thriller and as much talk that we have heard about the Lobo's powerhouse team it would be a thriller of a game as well. On the other hand if SLC were to go DI, we would get the much anticipated Trinity/SLC game and a potential Katy rematch if all the stars were to align.
If not Katy then Westfield or Judson. Either way it's all good. Looks like an exciting November and December. Of course this is all predicated on "if" SLC go's to the play-offs. I apologize to those who may view my assumption as arrogant. :p
pack0808
10-10-2005, 11:39 AM
If this weeks projections play out it would sure take some of the luster off of the DII winner's trophy.
The winner in DII, possibly SV, Lufkin, or Longview would always have an question mark next to their name on the trophy.
With teams like Schertz, Judson, Westfield, North Shore, Katy, SLC, Trinity all competing for the DI title, DII seems left out in the cold.
Like you said if this played out it would be heavy in terms of the best teams in div1!! Just like last year it was definitely heavy in div2. Tyler Lee had a big ?? in their div1 title because they lost to 2 div2 teams Lufkin and Longview. SLC beat Lufkin!! Not saying Tyler Lee would not have done anything in div2 but we will never know?? That is why div1 and div2 sucks. I have said it a million times and i will say it again.
Statman/NS
10-10-2005, 11:41 AM
I love big match-ups, I just think it sucks when it happens in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Some of the potential big games early in the playoffs are amazing while some others can get all the way to the semi's and not hardly beat anybody. The SLC/ET,NS/Pear to NS/Westfield, CJ/SC just to mention a few. That is ashame. I wish they could find a fair way to seed them in the regions!
Am I reading this right? Trinity can face SLC in the first round?
KT2000
10-10-2005, 12:51 PM
Yes, that happens to be a possibility this year. Still, plenty of football needs to be played but right now it looks possible.
Pay attention to the Grapevine-Fossil Ridge score this week because, as I highlighted in the first post of this thread, the outcome could carry significant meaning as far as Carroll's Div. I/II prospects.
dragonsdaddy
10-10-2005, 12:52 PM
will, if gvine makes the po's long with dr and slc. ought to be a 3rd or 4th round game.
Yes, that happens to be a possibility this year. Still, plenty of football needs to be played but right now it looks possible.
Pay attention to the Grapevine-Fossil Ridge score this week because, as I highlighted in the first post of this thread, the outcome could carry significant meaning as far as Carroll's Div. I/II prospects.
WOW...If that happens I might make a road trip.
SLCDad
10-10-2005, 01:53 PM
I believe your long post proves that SLC doesn't want the challenge of playing a hard-nosed team before they have to. Other top teams in the state schedule tough opponents to begin the season for several reasons. If Dodge wanted to prepare his team for a physical team down the road, he would do well to give his team a taste earlier in the year. If he turned down this Trinity challenge, the natural reaction is to believe he is "dodging" a potential worthy opponent that would actually challenge his team.I'm really laughing now. My post doesn't prove anything. It's just my opinion.
I laugh even more about your comment that "if Dodge wanted to prepare . . . he would do well . . .". THANKS so much for your advice to Coach Dodge. LOL I think his record against the best teams in Texas speaks for itself. LOL
I'm thinking that other programs are looking at what SLC is doing rather than the other way around as you suggest should happen. LOL
SLCDad
10-10-2005, 02:12 PM
I doubt SLC is afraid of Trinity, and im sure there are plenty of fans around NW Tarrant that would love to see a Trinity/Carroll matchup, I know I would. But to say that Trinity has never won anything is ignorant at best. Trinity has been winning games for a long time, and usually runs up against the evenutal state champ in the playoffs. For years Trinity had some great teams that could have made deep playoff runs, but they ran into tough teams in the 1st or 2nd round, back when you had to open up the playoffs against Lewisville and then play Duncanville it got brutal. In 98 Trinity had a great team, they were 11-0 when they went to Duncanville to play a playoff game against the Panthers, Duncanville was able to escape with a very close victory and Duncanville went on to win the state championship that year. Same said for 2001 Trinity was a semifinalist and had were crusing against Lufkin till a remarkable comeback by Lufkin eleminated them, Lufkin won the state title the following week. Last year Trinity had a darn good football team, had what it took to win a state title, but in the semis ran into a buzzsaw from Tyler Lee and got beat once again in the semis, Tyler Lee went on to win a state title. I realize that the Trojans dont have the prestige of a Carroll, or the titles, but to say they have never won anything is laughable. Trinity is one of the most consistant programs in the state and will eventually win a state title.
You say they could learn a lot from Coach Dodge about running a program, if Mr Dodge was so great at running programs how come he could not turn it around at Newman Smith or Fossil Ridge? Also Trinity is coached by a former Carroll assistant and proven Coach in Steve Lineweaver, Carroll never took off as a dominant program until Coach Ledbetter hired Coach Lineweaver. So I think Coach Lineweaver knows how to run a program and win.
So why can you blame a Trinity fan for wanting to prove themselves against Carroll, to me it seems like it could make for one heck of a rivalry, two schools seperated by less than 10 miles and a coach at Trinity with ties to Carroll, I think it is only a matter of time before the UIL puts Trinity and Carroll together in a district. Until then we can only hope for a Trinity/Carroll matchup in the playoffs this year, it would be the best 1st round matchup in the history of the playoffs.I agree with almost everything you say (although the statement about Coach Lineweaver's impact at SLC is probabaly exagerated a bit). I respect Trinity a ton. However, I didn't want to let stand a silly insinution that SLC is afraid of Trinity. That's stupid and that's exactly what he attempted to say. Over the last 20 years Trinity has won 69% of it's games and ranks 90th in victories (all classes). SLC has won 85% of its games and ranks 1st over the same period.
farmerfan
10-10-2005, 02:28 PM
I agree with almost everything you say (although the statement about Coach Lineweaver's impact at SLC is probabaly exagerated a bit). I respect Trinity a ton. However, I didn't want to let stand a silly insinution that SLC is afraid of Trinity. That's stupid and that's exactly what he attempted to say. Over the last 20 years Trinity has won 69% of it's games and ranks 90th in victories (all classes). SLC has won 85% of its games and ranks 1st over the same period.
I said that Trinity does not have the credentials of a SLC, anyone who thinks that needs to put down the pipe. But I also couldnt let it be said that Trinity has never won anything, because they have been a force in football for quite some time especially since 1998.
My statements about Lineweaver and Carroll were that when Ledbetter needed to spice up the offense, he brought in Coach Lineweaver and the rest is history, Carroll had not won a state title till Coach Lineweaver arrived at Carroll and the year he left 93, they had some close calls. It is strictly opinion on what you and I think concerning Coach Lineweavers impact at Carroll, but the facts are that he was in charge of one of the best offenses on one of the best teams I have ever seen play, the 92 Dragons.
THANKS so much for your advice to Coach Dodge. LOL I think his record against the best teams in Texas speaks for itself.
I'm just here to do my part. Dodge and the Dragons lost to the best smashmouth team he's faced so far. He has room for improvement just like every other coach.
dragonfootballfan
10-10-2005, 04:00 PM
I'm just here to do my part. Dodge and the Dragons lost to the best smashmouth team he's faced so far. He has room for improvement just like every other coach.
I can't believe nobody else has tried that strategy on the Dragons. Oh wait many have tried since Katy, all have failed
eagleike
10-10-2005, 04:26 PM
I can't believe nobody else has tried that strategy on the Dragons. Oh wait many have tried since Katy, all have failed
dragonfan:
the difference is that most try to play smashmouth football. Katy lives smashmouth football.
Butch Fifield
10-10-2005, 04:38 PM
No one is factoring in Plano. I had my doubts about the Wildcats before the season started, but after the whippings they have givne PWSH and Allen the last two weeks, this team will make some noise in the playoffs.
Even back when Plano was good everyone doubted them going into the playoffs. They usually lost an early season game and did not look like a powerhouse like the schools that everyone was touting. But when playoff time came, they got it together.
What is scary about this year's team is that they have put it together from the very start. They know what to do in the playoffs when they get there. This is the one team I would not want to play.
dragonsdaddy
10-10-2005, 04:52 PM
butch, as you and i both know, having qb'd there, this is not an average plano team. they are winning the new fashioned way, with skill people and great speed. they are not the well oiled, mistake-less teams of the past, but they are very good none the less. they are flying around on defense, and making others make mistakes with their feet. i want very much for pesh to be in early b-ball so plano and slc can both go all the way.
pack0808
10-10-2005, 04:56 PM
So what kind of offense does Plano run?? Trying to catch up on these guys because they have been out of the picture for a while now!! JT and Plano must have had a meeting over the summer together and decided they want be a part of the playoffs again. ;)
dragonsdaddy
10-10-2005, 05:32 PM
mostly power sweeps and off-tackle stuff with third and long passes thrown in occasionally.coach brence is still too conservative, but his talent is winning anyway.
farmerfan
10-10-2005, 05:37 PM
So what kind of offense does Plano run?? Trying to catch up on these guys because they have been out of the picture for a while now!! JT and Plano must have had a meeting over the summer together and decided they want be a part of the playoffs again. ;)
well i wish they would have included us in those meetings, talk about three of the greatest smash mouth programs, leaving out Lewisville in those meetings hurts my feelings :)
dragonsdaddy
10-10-2005, 06:22 PM
sounds like the farmers and mojo didn't get the word. maybe next year.
farmerfan
10-10-2005, 06:28 PM
it is a to familar cry for me this time a year, "wait till next year", at least we have The Colony :D
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