Rasheed has spoken

[lonny23]

Well,

'ol Sheed has come out and said what I always say and it's a slightly different version of what T-mac said last year. Somewhere in the middle of a huge piles of posts on this website is my prediction after the 2006 Finals that the NBA was prepping the Cavs to move a little further in the playoffs. I said they took Detroit to 7 games in 2006 only because of refs help and that it was a precursor to making them go further and we'd start to see a Cavs run of titles. I thought they might lose in the ECF in 2007, but I was fully convinced they were going to get help.

I get bashed for my comments, but the truth is I was just years ahead of the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21505333/#

[slorch]

"I think we all need to learn to be respectful of all that this game has brought and know that there are a lot of people who have worked extremely hard to bring us all to this place. I think Rasheed needs to think about that before he starts questioning things and making those kinds of statements." -David Stern


This quote is almost enough to get me to believe you and 'Sheed. Almost.

As long as the Spurs are winning championships, i won't be believing the League picks the winners. Plus the Knicks, Bulls, and lakers/ Clippers are not anywhere near being dominant teams. They represent the 3 biggest markets.


I like "sheed on the court, but not off of it.

I don't care for Stern at all. He acts like he's some kind of Czar or King or something.

[LUFPAN]

Its non-sense.......no proof that the league is fixing games. Just somebody's opinion. Sounds more like a sore loser than anything else......

[lonny23]

"I think we all need to learn to be respectful of all that this game has brought and know that there are a lot of people who have worked extremely hard to bring us all to this place. I think Rasheed needs to think about that before he starts questioning things and making those kinds of statements." -David Stern


This quote is almost enough to get me to believe you and 'Sheed. Almost.

As long as the Spurs are winning championships, i won't be believing the League picks the winners. Plus the Knicks, Bulls, and lakers/ Clippers are not anywhere near being dominant teams. They represent the 3 biggest markets.


I like "sheed on the court, but not off of it.

I don't care for Stern at all. He acts like he's some kind of Czar or King or something.
Many say that the fact that Stern doesn't just flat out deny what 'sheed says is an admission of hiding things. No, I don't care for Stern.

I've said it before and I still believe it, the Spurs win titles when the NBA wants to take the heat off for bad deeds. It would've been too much of a leap to have Cleveland beat SA last year and they weren't going to do that the year after Miami. 1989 and 1990 were playoff steps for the Bulls to start winning titles in 1991. MJ and Pippen were around together for a few years, but didn't start winning playoff series until the Lakers and Celtics started falling off. Shaq and Kobe had to wait for MJ to retire to start winning titles and the Jackson hire was a perfect chance. Cleveland is not that good of a team, but the NBA is pushing them in these playoff series.

1998 MJ pushes off in Utah and wins a title. The rumors said for years that MJ got all the calls on offense and never called for anything on defense. That was the worst of the 6 Bulls title teams.

1999 The Spurs win #1.

2002 The Lakers beat the Kings because of B.S. calls in Games 4 and 6 was horrible. They took the title, but didn't deserve it.

2003 The Spurs win #2.

2004 This is actually the only year I can think of in the last 15 years that the annointed team did not win the title when the Lakers were beat by Detroit in The Finals.

2005 The Spurs take #3.

2006 You know what I think about 2006.

2007 The Spurs win #4. SA has titles the year after the 3 most controversial playoff years in the last decade. I think it's all a red herring. The Spurs deserve to win when they do, but I'm firmly convinced the NBA goes ahead and lets them win because everybody will say the results aren't fixed in any way because they'd never want SA to win. Unless the NBA really gets exposed for what they do, they're setting up a run of LeBron titles. The NBA is fooling people with the SA titles. They reinforce my comments, not detract from them. SA is just filler to make the annointed teams titles more believable because they need a couple years to set them up:

2006 LeBron gets to the playoffs for the first time. They take Detriot to Game 7 in the 2nd Round.

2007 LeBron gets to The Finals.

They weren't just going to let him walk into the playoffs and win a title the 1st year.

Shaq and Kobe failed a few times before they started winning. MJ and Pippen failed a few times, too. Yeah, you get better and pay your dues, but some people never win and still pay their dues. It's no coincidence that the teams that win multiple titles in a row are the teams with the stars the NBA wants to market.

[Firebird]

Many say that the fact that Stern doesn't just flat out deny what 'sheed says is an admission of hiding things. No, I don't care for Stern.

I've said it before and I still believe it, the Spurs win titles when the NBA wants to take the heat off for bad deeds. It would've been too much of a leap to have Cleveland beat SA last year and they weren't going to do that the year after Miami. 1989 and 1990 were playoff steps for the Bulls to start winning titles in 1991. MJ and Pippen were around together for a few years, but didn't start winning playoff series until the Lakers and Celtics started falling off. Shaq and Kobe had to wait for MJ to retire to start winning titles and the Jackson hire was a perfect chance. Cleveland is not that good of a team, but the NBA is pushing them in these playoff series.

1998 MJ pushes off in Utah and wins a title. The rumors said for years that MJ got all the calls on offense and never called for anything on defense. That was the worst of the 6 Bulls title teams.

1999 The Spurs win #1.

2002 The Lakers beat the Kings because of B.S. calls in Games 4 and 6 was horrible. They took the title, but didn't deserve it.

2003 The Spurs win #2.

2004 This is actually the only year I can think of in the last 15 years that the annointed team did not win the title when the Lakers were beat by Detroit in The Finals.

2005 The Spurs take #3.

2006 You know what I think about 2006.

2007 The Spurs win #4. SA has titles the year after the 3 most controversial playoff years in the last decade. I think it's all a red herring. The Spurs deserve to win when they do, but I'm firmly convinced the NBA goes ahead and lets them win because everybody will say the results aren't fixed in any way because they'd never want SA to win. Unless the NBA really gets exposed for what they do, they're setting up a run of LeBron titles. The NBA is fooling people with the SA titles. They reinforce my comments, not detract from them. SA is just filler to make the annointed teams titles more believable because they need a couple years to set them up:

2006 LeBron gets to the playoffs for the first time. They take Detriot to Game 7 in the 2nd Round.

2007 LeBron gets to The Finals.

They weren't just going to let him walk into the playoffs and win a title the 1st year.

Shaq and Kobe failed a few times before they started winning. MJ and Pippen failed a few times, too. Yeah, you get better and pay your dues, but some people never win and still pay their dues. It's no coincidence that the teams that win multiple titles in a row are the teams with the stars the NBA wants to market.


Your theories are getting ever more complex and convoluted. Nonsense, all of it. How about this gem from 'Sheed: There ain't no real wrestling anymore, either".

So 'Sheed believes that once upon a time the WWF was real? About what I'd expect. 'Sheed needs to shut his yap.

[KT2000]

I'm as big of a UNC supporter as you will find, but I'd very much like Sheed to dissapear.

[lonny23]

Your theories are getting ever more complex and convoluted. Nonsense, all of it. How about this gem from 'Sheed: There ain't no real wrestling anymore, either".

So 'Sheed believes that once upon a time the WWF was real? About what I'd expect. 'Sheed needs to shut his yap.
Wrestling has always had a huge fake side to it, but there has always been some realism in the pain they suffer. Maybe he meant to say that it's more fake now. I doubt he thinks it was ever fully real and not staged.

I've said several times that the Spurs were red herrings. I started saying it a few years ago. I said it when people started in about how the results aren't fixed because of the Spurs and that was before they actually won it this year. Besides, fixing games does not revolve around who wins the title. The refs try to frame the results of games in all series throughout the playoffs. Just because SA wins the title doesn't mean the right team won all the other series. I think the West playoffs were reffed pretty well this year. Outside of the Cavs, the East was pretty good.

My only gripe about the NBA is their continuous double standards as far as discipline and suspensions go. They say you can't go in the crowd, but Stephen Jackson was jawing with fans in the Dallas series and didn't get suspended. DJ M'benga got 5 games for Dallas in the 06 playoffs for going into the crowd (Only to check on Avery's wife and didn't get into a conflict). I can live with the suspension, but be fair about it.

[DiamondJ2]

"I think we all need to learn to be respectful of all that this game has brought and know that there are a lot of people who have worked extremely hard to bring us all to this place. I think Rasheed needs to think about that before he starts questioning things and making those kinds of statements." -David Stern


This quote is almost enough to get me to believe you and 'Sheed. Almost.

As long as the Spurs are winning championships, i won't be believing the League picks the winners. Plus the Knicks, Bulls, and lakers/ Clippers are not anywhere near being dominant teams. They represent the 3 biggest markets.


I like "sheed on the court, but not off of it.

I don't care for Stern at all. He acts like he's some kind of Czar or King or something.

Stern may act like a czar of king, but he has more balls than that wimp whatshisname in baseball. What is his name. Wuss, er, Jester, er Pegleg, er, oh yeah, King Wuss Selig.

[slorch]

Stern may act like a czar of king, but he has more balls than that wimp whatshisname in baseball. What is his name. Wuss, er, Jester, er Pegleg, er, oh yeah, King Wuss Selig.

agreed.

[slorch]

Wrestling has always had a huge fake side to it, but there has always been some realism in the pain they suffer. Maybe he meant to say that it's more fake now. I doubt he thinks it was ever fully real and not staged.

I've said several times that the Spurs were red herrings. I started saying it a few years ago. I said it when people started in about how the results aren't fixed because of the Spurs and that was before they actually won it this year. Besides, fixing games does not revolve around who wins the title. The refs try to frame the results of games in all series throughout the playoffs. Just because SA wins the title doesn't mean the right team won all the other series. I think the West playoffs were reffed pretty well this year. Outside of the Cavs, the East was pretty good.

My only gripe about the NBA is their continuous double standards as far as discipline and suspensions go. They say you can't go in the crowd, but Stephen Jackson was jawing with fans in the Dallas series and didn't get suspended. DJ M'benga got 5 games for Dallas in the 06 playoffs for going into the crowd (Only to check on Avery's wife and didn't get into a conflict). I can live with the suspension, but be fair about it.

so jawing at the crowd> rushing into the crowd?

Homerism knows no bounds.

[svhorns]

I agree with sheed...


but I'm sure that doesn't surprise many of you

[lonny23]

so jawing at the crowd> rushing into the crowd?

Homerism knows no bounds.
He didn't rush into the crowd. He walked up and looked to see what was happening. There was no running.

Jackson was in a verbal conflict with the crowd, which was a clear violation of the rules that the NBA put into play last year. Both were against the NBA rules.

[dragons08]

Jeez Lonny shut up.

So what, some basketball player that speaks out and complains about everything, has the same opioion as you. Congrats, you are instantly right. :rolleyes:

[lonny23]

Jeez Lonny shut up.

So what, some basketball player that speaks out and complains about everything, has the same opioion as you. Congrats, you are instantly right. :rolleyes:
Just keep this in mind. It's not people like me that have ruined this country. This country is in the pits because the masses let somebody else speak for them, think for them, and frame their ways of thinking. I'm an independent mind and independent voice. I speak for me and represent me. My only goal is to search for and speak the truth. Many times the truth is not conventional wisdom and it's obvious that the truth in situations is often suppressed because somebody has something to gain from it. There is no appreciable gain for me trying to get you guys to believe that the NBA results are skewed by the way the refs calls the games. I don't get any money from anything I say and it's not like I work for another sport that would like to see the failure of the NBA. The first question you always have to ask to figure out if somebody is lying, stealing, or cheating is if they can get some kind of gain by you believing what they say. If you think somebody can get something by you believing them, there is a 50% chance right there that they're lying.

I always say for you guys to keep this in mind. Look in the mirror and think of how often you lie, steal, and cheat and how often you ask others to do the same for you. Picture yourself with a chance to make some extra money and/or lie for the boss because you know you'll get a raise or promotion. Nobody wants to admit or believe their precious sports are tainted, but every last one of them is and these guys are playing with big bucks. There is somebody on every team that's cheating in some way. I don't care if it's taking drugs, stealing signs and plays, paying players, players doing something to the score because they're tied to gamblers, or the refs cheating because they're getting paid to do something. Take your pick because it happens in baseball, football, basketball, hockey, cycling, the Olympics, and maybe even ping pong!:D

[CLFalcon2006]

Lonny I'm going to give you a theortical scenario and I want you to give me a conspiracy theory.

Setting: Wester Conference Finals, Game 7
Teams: Rockets and Mavericks

The game is highly competitive, though Dallas is losing the foul battle (not by much, but the calls have gone against Dallas); also two big time momentum swings for Dallas for have broken up by iffy calls (one a foul against Dirk (pretty legit), the other a foul against Howard (not so much, but still slighty believable). In the last minute of the game with Dallas charging to take a one point lead, Yao gets away with a prety obvious foul against Howard, the ball goes to the Rockets and T-Mac dunks to seal the victory. Rockets go to the finals where they meet the Chicago Bulls who legitly beat the Boston Celtics to get there (though some say the Bulls where getting favorable calls, nothing big, but still some claims.)

Go!

[Firebird]

Just keep this in mind. It's not people like me that have ruined this country. This country is in the pits because the masses let somebody else speak for them, think for them, and frame their ways of thinking. I'm an independent mind and independent voice. I speak for me and represent me. My only goal is to search for and speak the truth. Many times the truth is not conventional wisdom and it's obvious that the truth in situations is often suppressed because somebody has something to gain from it. There is no appreciable gain for me trying to get you guys to believe that the NBA results are skewed by the way the refs calls the games. I don't get any money from anything I say and it's not like I work for another sport that would like to see the failure of the NBA. The first question you always have to ask to figure out if somebody is lying, stealing, or cheating is if they can get some kind of gain by you believing what they say. If you think somebody can get something by you believing them, there is a 50% chance right there that they're lying.

I always say for you guys to keep this in mind. Look in the mirror and think of how often you lie, steal, and cheat and how often you ask others to do the same for you. Picture yourself with a chance to make some extra money and/or lie for the boss because you know you'll get a raise or promotion. Nobody wants to admit or believe their precious sports are tainted, but every last one of them is and these guys are playing with big bucks. There is somebody on every team that's cheating in some way. I don't care if it's taking drugs, stealing signs and plays, paying players, players doing something to the score because they're tied to gamblers, or the refs cheating because they're getting paid to do something. Take your pick because it happens in baseball, football, basketball, hockey, cycling, the Olympics, and maybe even ping pong!:D

This veracity of this statement is based on an assumption that this country is "ruined". Of course, that's not at all a foregone conclusion. I don't happen to believe it.

The second part of your story, even if true, is still easily refutable. There is a huge step from having someone on every team that is cheating to a gigantic conspiracy, run out of the NBA front office, to rig games and indeed, entire seasons.

I believe you can find a dirty cop in every department, I don't believe that all cops are working together to rip people off.

I believe that you can find plenty of dishonest judges, not that the legal system is all a sham conspiracy.

I believe that you can find teachers and professors that fudge grades in exchange for favors or to help out star athletes, I don't extrapolate that our entire education system is a giant corrupt venture.

I believe that you will find in government service (including, yes, the military) people who are only looking to make a buck on the side or who are perhaps actively undermining the country, I don't buy into giant conspiracies there either.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Your logic of "believe me, I have nothing to gain by telling you this" is unpersuasive. I've heard plenty of nonsense from folks with nothing to gain from spouting off.

[jtk1519]

Just keep this in mind. It's not people like me that have ruined this country.

No, I blame you directly.

[slorch]

Lonny- what are you doing to fix it, besides screaming your fingers off,
on a message board?

personally, I 've had issues with your little theories and fanaticism from time to time. After reading this thread, I am convinced you are definitely part of the problem by blaming others with no personal solution.

I also think you are so full of crap that your constant rants of conspiracy even smell of an outhouse.

I would personally hate to admit being such a directionless victim in this world, as to claim so many people could influence what happens in my life. Call it denial, I call it being driven with resolve, with a very strong aversion to having a victim/ loser's mentality.

It's no different those that constantly cry that "the man" is holding them down, but they won't get their own fat butt off the couch.

If you talk this way about the sports world, I bet you go absolutely ballistic when it comes to the gov't, and you work for it!!! Torbush!

[lonny23]

Lonny I'm going to give you a theortical scenario and I want you to give me a conspiracy theory.

Setting: Wester Conference Finals, Game 7
Teams: Rockets and Mavericks

The game is highly competitive, though Dallas is losing the foul battle (not by much, but the calls have gone against Dallas); also two big time momentum swings for Dallas for have broken up by iffy calls (one a foul against Dirk (pretty legit), the other a foul against Howard (not so much, but still slighty believable). In the last minute of the game with Dallas charging to take a one point lead, Yao gets away with a prety obvious foul against Howard, the ball goes to the Rockets and T-Mac dunks to seal the victory. Rockets go to the finals where they meet the Chicago Bulls who legitly beat the Boston Celtics to get there (though some say the Bulls where getting favorable calls, nothing big, but still some claims.)

Go!Rule #1 is always to beat Dallas if you can. Besides what goes on during games, the NBA has made it a point all during the Cuban years to always punish Dallas when they can even if they don't do it to the other teams. Just look at the suspensions Dallas has and think about what somebody on another team did that was similiar and didn't get suspended for it. I wish that wasn't the case and I'd like to have a uniform policy across the board.

Stern just has a little man syndrome. Cuban rocks the boat and Satan takes every shot he can get at Cuban. Dallas does things that are wrong. The NBA always suspends them for it. My problem is that other teams do things wrong and get clemency. I don't know when it will end. Cuban kept his mouth shut for the most part last year and I guess he'll do so this year, too. I can't say if Dallas will ever get the same clemency as other teams.

As far as the Rockets go, Tmac is hugely popular and Yao is the face of the global NBA that Stern markets so much to China. That is one reason why they'd want Houston to advance.

Dallas got to The Finals playing D-Fake and Shaq. The NBA had their draw and team regardless of Dallas getting there. I really don't think the NBA would want the Mavs to be playing Chicago. If Chicago is there, the NBA would rather have Houston or Phoenix.

I don't have a crystal ball saying when this mess ends. Maybe the NBA was done with most of the funny business after 2006 because 2007 was better. You didn't have as many series go to more games because the refs were throwing games to the loser. The West seemed legit and so did the East except the Cavs series against Detroit.

[lonny23]

This veracity of this statement is based on an assumption that this country is "ruined". Of course, that's not at all a foregone conclusion. I don't happen to believe it.

The second part of your story, even if true, is still easily refutable. There is a huge step from having someone on every team that is cheating to a gigantic conspiracy, run out of the NBA front office, to rig games and indeed, entire seasons.

I believe you can find a dirty cop in every department, I don't believe that all cops are working together to rip people off.

I believe that you can find plenty of dishonest judges, not that the legal system is all a sham conspiracy.

I believe that you can find teachers and professors that fudge grades in exchange for favors or to help out star athletes, I don't extrapolate that our entire education system is a giant corrupt venture.

I believe that you will find in government service (including, yes, the military) people who are only looking to make a buck on the side or who are perhaps actively undermining the country, I don't buy into giant conspiracies there either.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Your logic of "believe me, I have nothing to gain by telling you this" is unpersuasive. I've heard plenty of nonsense from folks with nothing to gain from spouting off.
Sure the stuff you say is true and I didn't say everybody in sports was dirty. I'm just saying that sports are no different than everyday life, but everybody wants to act like sports is some kind of sacred institution that's built on trust, loyalty, and honor. It's not.

I maintain that results which consistently happen are a part of a trend. Many of the results of the NBA over the last 15 years have been predictable and that's why I call foul. Sports at their very nature are random acts and unpredictable. Look how many times teams split the first 2 games, and the next 2 games, but then all of a sudden the better team wins Games 5 and 6. I'm here to say the better team should've won in 4 or 5 most cases and not have the series go to Game 6. Have you ever noticed how often the marketable teams end series in 6 games? That's so they don't have a bad game in Game 7 and the NBA risk them losing. It's not so much on the ref/NBA thing, but I'm pretty sure teams have lost games to get extra home games before.

[lonny23]

Lonny- what are you doing to fix it, besides screaming your fingers off,
on a message board?

personally, I 've had issues with your little theories and fanaticism from time to time. After reading this thread, I am convinced you are definitely part of the problem by blaming others with no personal solution.

I also think you are so full of crap that your constant rants of conspiracy even smell of an outhouse.

I would personally hate to admit being such a directionless victim in this world, as to claim so many people could influence what happens in my life. Call it denial, I call it being driven with resolve, with a very strong aversion to having a victim/ loser's mentality.

It's no different those that constantly cry that "the man" is holding them down, but they won't get their own fat butt off the couch.

If you talk this way about the sports world, I bet you go absolutely ballistic when it comes to the gov't, and you work for it!!! Torbush!
I am a messenger. I get the word out about things. There are limitations to what I can say about the government because I work for the government. Our nation is crooked, but it's no different than any other nation. I'm sure there is some corruption at every level, but there are places that it's more prevalent. Everything that I've ever said about the Mavs is that they should fight through all the crap and give the world the finger when they win a title. That's not a wallow in pity attitude. If I was that type of person I wouldn't keep saying stuff on here and have you guys disagree and take shots.

If you want to know what I'm doing as far as the things I think are wrong, I'm trying to generate discussion and get people to talk about these things so that we can create a groundswell to really get them to look into the events. The types of things I mention are not for one-man crusades.

Here's the core of what I'm saying. Take somebody like yourself with a username of slorch. That indicates that you haven't exactly been a saint for 36 years of your life. If you were honest enough, you'd have to say you've cheated a little and lied a little here and there. You know the dishonest things you've done and wanted to do. In sports and politics, I'm talking about big money. The temptation to cheat is even bigger because the rewards are even bigger. Most people just don't have the moral fiber to resist the temptation of easy money. The other side of the coin is most people want the boss to like their work and that sometimes means doing the boss' dirty work. People cheat the numbers at work on taxes just like people do it at home. Boss' tell employees that they'll make more money if they do so and so. It's not a huge leap that close games mean more ratings and better TV contracts and commercial prices. More games mean more fans in the seats. Colleges get better bowl payouts with better bowls. These are some of the things that I've said over the years were problem areas in sports because certain things happened that can be traced back to making more money, which is what everybody wants to do.

BTW, I work with a guy who reads a lot and always tries to find out what drives political decisions and actions. He told me last week that the real reason we went to war in Iraq and are threatening Iran is because Iraq was about to change their reserve currency from dollars to Euros and that was going to hurt the U.S. economy. He said Iran is trying to do the same thing with some oil exchange that's about to open. I haven't done any of my own research to say if I agree with him or not, but I will say that all countries make decisions based upon the continued livelihood of the country to some extent and we obviously have many decisions made based upon personal benefit to the decisionmakers.

I'm sorry I can't sit here and tell all you guys that all is right in this world. We're a crooked society. There's no way we can catch all the wrongdoing. It's just my job to mention the wrongdoing when I see it. The one thing I've always stood for here is honesty and truth. I'm honest with you guys about me even though you accuse me of the contrary and I'm honest with how I see the world and what I see. I'm suprised the liers, cheaters, and thieves on this board always come to the defense of the institutions that also have plenty of liers, cheaters, and thieves. I'd love to tell stories about the purity of the world and society, but I don't see it as much as I see the wrongdoing. There is plenty of good out there and it should be talked about, but the bad should come to light too. I just happen to be a person who talks about where I think I see skeletons in the closet.

[jtk1519]

This thread actually makes my head hurt.

[RedRage00]

lawd, I open this thread up and Lonny is still at it.... :eek:

[jtk1519]

lawd, I open this thread up and Lonny is still at it.... :eek:

He's nothing if not persistent.

[LUFPAN]

http://cache.consumerist.com/consumer/upload/2006/07/fingers_in_ears.jpg

I'm not listening......

[lonny23]

lawd, I open this thread up and Lonny is still at it.... :eek:
At least I changed the topic a time or two!:D