View Full Version : Be afraid....be very,very afraid..........
GoOwls
10-24-2007, 07:05 PM
Who said it?
1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above
2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above
3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose f Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above
4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground."
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above
5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above
6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above
Answers:
(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
Be afraid. Be very, very afraid !!!!
this is more of your right-winged propaganda ;)
slorch
10-24-2007, 07:13 PM
this is more of your right-winged propaganda ;)
propaganda that was, in fact, true statements of an already left leaning candidate?
propaganda that was, in fact, true statements of an already left leaning candidate?
joke my friend
jtk1519
10-24-2007, 07:22 PM
If you haven't figured out that Hilary is a true, hardcore, old school socialist yet, then you haven't been paying attention.
GoOwls
10-24-2007, 07:23 PM
this is more of your right-winged propaganda ;)
Isn't a propaganda a Daddy duck.....:D
slorch
10-24-2007, 07:47 PM
Isn't a propaganda a Daddy duck.....:D
had to think about that one.:D
jtk1519
10-24-2007, 07:52 PM
had to think about that one.:D
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GoOwls
10-24-2007, 08:00 PM
had to think about that one.:D
It's an old Three Stoges line, delivered by the reliable Curly in his New York accent.
Pop-pa-gayan'-da........:D
alittle socialism isn't bad, but a president shouldn't be so radical as to say some of these things.
Reaganrattler07
10-24-2007, 09:11 PM
alittle socialism isn't bad, but a president shouldn't be so radical as to say some of these things.
Please do elaborate on that one, Karl.
Please do elaborate on that one, Karl.
HA! i said alil, just things like social security (if they had planned it better) and medical care for those who need it (again, if they were'nt such beauracrats).
but socialism isn't a bad thing if used in moderation.
Reaganrattler07
10-24-2007, 09:18 PM
HA! i said alil, just things like social security (if they had planned it better) and medical care for those who need it (again, if they were'nt such beauracrats).
but socialism isn't a bad thing if used in moderation.
Sure, karl!
But things like social security and medical care for those who REALLY need it.
Too many people are lazy. It should go to elderly, handicapped and people who are truly unable to work.
Medical care to the same ones, but include very poor young kids.
THATS IT.
Privatize the rest.
Sure, karl!
But things like social security and medical care for those who REALLY need it.
Too many people are lazy. It should go to elderly, handicapped and people who are truly unable to work.
Medical care to the same ones, but include very poor young kids.
THATS IT.
Privatize the rest.
i'm cool with that.
with the inclusion of people who both parents (or 1 if there's only 1) work, and fall under a certain income level.
Reaganrattler07
10-24-2007, 09:31 PM
i'm cool with that.
with the inclusion of people who both parents (or 1 if there's only 1) work, and fall under a certain income level.
True.
But that's pretty much getting to where we're already at.
And make it illegal for the SS funds to be used for anything other than that.
True.
But that's pretty much getting to where we're already at.
And make it illegal for the SS funds to be used for anything other than that.
keep guidlines strict and don't change them with every case that makes you wonder "are we being fair?"
Firebird
10-24-2007, 09:56 PM
this is more of your right-winged propaganda ;)
Actually, Prez.....you're right. It's a collection of quotes taken out of context, and in some cases strung together by connect the dots, to make a list of frightening statements.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
"Conservatives" who pass these lists around would do far better to simply take an honest look at the issues and what candidates say about them. Sadly, this is what counts for political commentary from both sides of the aisle. Talk shows and cable news are little better-- just a bit slicker with their "truth distortions". Keep this list in mind the next time the hard-core right gets on their high horse about "fuzzy math" and honesty.
Actually, Prez.....you're right. It's a collection of quotes taken out of context, and in some cases strung together by connect the dots, to make a list of frightening statements.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
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both sides do it, i choose neither, it's more based on the certain candidate.
Reaganrattler07
10-24-2007, 10:01 PM
Still, increasing taxes and giving back to everyone is still a little socialist.
Still, increasing taxes and giving back to everyone is still a little socialist.
ah, but you have to agree SOME socialism is not a bad thing, or else we might as well revert into anarchy.
Reaganrattler07
10-24-2007, 10:05 PM
ah, but you have to agree SOME socialism is not a bad thing, or else we might as well revert into anarchy.
Again...please elaborate, karl. Why not rely on Federalism and capitalism?
Again...please elaborate, karl. Why not rely on Federalism and capitalism?
relying on one sense of politics is ludacris. that's why socialism doesn't work, ture democracy doesn't work, facists don't survive, and beaurocrats don't make it.
you need federalism, socialism, democracy, martial law, ect. to have a good government IMO<rememeber that, I.M.O!
GoOwls
10-24-2007, 10:12 PM
HA! i said alil, just things like social security (if they had planned it better) and medical care for those who need it (again, if they were'nt such beauracrats).
but socialism isn't a bad thing if used in moderation.
That's like saying you're a little bit pregnant.........:eek:
GoOwls
10-25-2007, 12:56 AM
Actually, Prez.....you're right. It's a collection of quotes taken out of context, and in some cases strung together by connect the dots, to make a list of frightening statements.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
"Conservatives" who pass these lists around would do far better to simply take an honest look at the issues and what candidates say about them. Sadly, this is what counts for political commentary from both sides of the aisle. Talk shows and cable news are little better-- just a bit slicker with their "truth distortions". Keep this list in mind the next time the hard-core right gets on their high horse about "fuzzy math" and honesty.
Firebird....the hard-core right???? Man you gotta be kidding me......
A man, or woman, can be judged by thier words...if you don't mean it, don't say it. Repeatedly she said stuff that, when taken as a group of work, should inspire, at least, some grave doubt.
As we know on this BB, you are judged, and taken seriously, by the content of your statements, over time. Don't defend her for saying what she really means....over time. Their, HER, words, are all I have to base my opinion of her on.
Firebird
10-25-2007, 01:08 AM
Firebird....the hard-core right???? Man you gotta be kidding me......
A man, or woman, can be judged by thier words...if you don't mean it, don't say it. Repeatedly she said stuff that, when taken as a group of work, should inspire, at least, some grave doubt.
As we know on this BB, you are judged, and taken seriously, by the content of your statements, over time. Don't defend her for saying what she really means....over time. Their, HER, words, are all I have to base my opinion of her on.
Craziest stuff from you yet. You're really reaching here. Patching together quotes out of context to get her to "say" what you want her to say.
Firebird
10-25-2007, 01:19 AM
I don't know how you can take a quote like this:
And that is what I have tried to both talk about and reach out about over the last many years, going back, really, at least 15 years, in talking about abortion being safe, legal, and rare. And, by rare, I mean rare.
And it's been a challenge, because the pro-life and the pro- choice communities have not really been willing to find much common ground. And I think that is a great failing on all of our parts, because, for me...
(APPLAUSE)
CLINTON: ... there are many opportunities to assist young people to make responsible decisions.
There is a tremendous educational and public outreach that could be done through churches, through schools, through so much else. But I think it has to be done with an understanding of reaching people where they are today.
We have so many young people who are tremendously influenced by the media culture and by the celebrity culture, and who have a very difficult time trying to sort out the right decisions to make.
And I personally believe that the adult society has failed those people. I mean, I think that we have failed them in our churches, our schools, our government. And I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed. We have all failed.
We have left too many children to sort of fend for themselves morally. And, so, I think there is a great opportunity. But it would require sort of a -- a leaving at the sides the suspicion and the baggage that comes with people who have very strong, heartfelt feelings.
You know, when I first started thinking about this very difficult issue -- because it is. It's a moral issue. And it should not be in any way diminished as a moral issue, no matter which side you're on, because I have seen cases where I honestly believed that the -- the moral choice was very complicated and not so straightforward as to what a young woman, her family, her physician, her pastor should do.
And what concerns me is that there's been a -- a real reluctance for anyone to make a move toward the other side, for fear of being labeled as turning one's back on the moral dimensions of the issue from either direction.
So, I would invite you, and I would be willing to work with you, to see whether there couldn't be some common ground that one could find.
And boil it down to this:
the free market has failed
You're being dishonest. You're distorting someone's words and making them say things they never meant to say. And that's wrong and it lowers the level of debate in this country. People need to grow up and stop thinking in sound bites. I'm not voting for HRC, but I at least will vote against her stated policies, and not against some made up BS that clogged my inbox.
GoOwls
10-25-2007, 01:34 AM
I don't know how you can take a quote like this:
And boil it down to this:
You're being dishonest. You're distorting someone's words and making them say things they never meant to say. And that's wrong and it lowers the level of debate in this country. People need to grow up and stop thinking in sound bites. I'm not voting for HRC, but I at least will vote against her stated policies, and not against some made up BS that clogged my inbox.
firebird, if you don't mean it....don't say it. The sentence said she believed the free market failed. How, in what way. She didn't eloborate. It really didn't fit the paragraph because she started the sentence with "and", like she thought of something and had to include it into the thought process.
She said what she said, and when meshed with all her other quotes and actions as senator and while she was the unofficial president the first two terms, it created a body of work that shows her true colors. I thought if anyone could, you could see through that.
I'm not being dishonest, I'm just evaluating a body of work for what it is and I'm not afraid to call a duck, a duck.
Humblefied
10-25-2007, 02:10 AM
You're being dishonest. You're distorting someone's words and making them say things they never meant to say.
Nothing is dishonest by what go owls said. I don't know about you, but when I read that passage I clearly saw her saying that the free market has failed.
Firebird
10-25-2007, 02:43 AM
Nothing is dishonest by what go owls said. I don't know about you, but when I read that passage I clearly saw her saying that the free market has failed.
Then you lack reading comprhension skills:
She said (paraphrase): There is a group of young people out that is influenced heavily by the media and celebrity culture. That is not getting any kind of meaningful moral direction. And that "adult society"--- including churches, schools, government, and the free market-- has failed them, leaving them without any moral direction.
There is a world of difference between saying "the free market has failed" and "the free market has had its failings", and it really is too bad that there is a set here so blinded by their hate for HRC that they refuse to even take a look at what she actually said.
The heck of it is, I agree with her. Young people these days are being pumped full of the message that sex is cool, that who you are=what you wear and have, etc, etc. Guess what, folks? It's the "free market" that is driving this. The free market creates and fills the market for the skank wear that passes for teenage dress, it's the free market that has convinced our young girls that all that matters is that the young boys want them (and how better to make sure they want you than by dressing how we tell you!). That's the free market at work. The free market=MTV, the free market=Seventeen Magazine, the free market= Abercrombie & Fitch, and don't try to kid yourself about that. That's what sells. Abstinence, responsibility, frugality...that doesn't sell. No one is selling that in this marketplace.
My head hurts...I'm defending HRC. But seriously, take the time to read what she is saying. She's saying that the current state of the market in the USA is no friend to your family values and morals. If you think otherwise, you're living in La-La land.
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