Political Candidate Quiz- fun

[slorch]

This link is to a quiz that actually shows how your opinion on various issues stack up with the candidates' views.

http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460

share with everyone how you matched up- Be honest!


BTW- I scored 53 with Tancredo
3 each with Obama, Edwards, and Hillary

Kind of scary...:eek:

[LPMOM]

Below are the candidates ranked by how much you agree with their stances.

Duncan Hunter
Score: 43
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care


Mike Huckabee
Score: 41
Video Agree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Energy


Joe Biden
Score: 39
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Marriage


Sam Brownback
Score: 38
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Death Penalty


Fred Thompson
Score: 36
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy


Jim Gilmore
Score: 31
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Social Security
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Abortion
Line-Item Veto


Tom Tancredo
Score: 31
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty


John McCain
Score: 29
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Marriage


John Edwards
Score: 27
Video Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Bill Richardson
Score: 25
Video Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Energy
Marriage


Mitt Romney
Score: 24
Agree
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security


Barack Obama
Score: 22
Video Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Rudy Giuliani
Score: 22
Agree
Immigration
Social Security
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Dennis Kucinich
Score: 22
Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Disagree
Iraq
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty


Hillary Clinton
Score: 22
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Chris Dodd
Score: 17
Video Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty


Ron Paul
Score: 14
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty


Mike Gravel
Score: 10
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty

[Firebird]

Interesting.

Highest:
40 (McCain) I disagree with his stance on Iraq, taxes, and marriage.

39 (Brownback) I disagree with him on immigration, taxes, energy, and the death penalty.

Lowest:
3 (Kucinich) I only agree with him that the tax cuts shouldn't be permanent.:eek: Not that I disagreed with the tax cuts at the time, just that I don't think that we should lock ourselves into them if at some point we need to raise revenue.

Highest Democrat:
21 (Biden)

[jrock210]

Tom Tancredo
Score: 27

Fred Thompson
Score: 23

Mike Huckabee
Score: 23

Duncan Hunter
Score: 23

Sam Brownback
Score: 22

John McCain
Score: 20

Jim Gilmore
Score: 15

Mitt Romney
Score: 14

Joe Biden
Score: 13

Ron Paul
Score: 13

Hillary Clinton
Score: 10

Barack Obama
Score: 10

Bill Richardson
Score: 10

Chris Dodd
Score: 9

Mike Gravel
Score: 9

John Edwards
Score: 7

Dennis Kucinich
Score: 6

Rudy Giuliani
Score: 1

[LPMOM]

i know i probably souldn't agree with national health care but i have none. i take that back, my health care is the emergancy room! haven't been to a doctor in about 10 yrs. other than the E.R. the health clinic in killeen is a joke. all they do is diagnoss you and then send you to temple for care. i have no way to get to temple. besides i can't afford to miss work or something will be turned off when bill time comes!

[Owl, Been there Done that]

This link is to a quiz that actually shows how your opinion on various issues stack up with the candidates' views.

http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460

share with everyone how you matched up- Be honest!


BTW- I scored 53 with Tancredo
3 each with Obama, Edwards, and Hillary

Kind of scary...:eek:

they should allow you to weight this on importance of issues.

[Reaganrattler07]

3 way tie with Thompson, McCain and Hunter.

I support Thompson so this is good for me!

[CoveMom]

Interesting.

Highest:
40 (McCain) I disagree with his stance on Iraq, taxes, and marriage.

39 (Brownback) I disagree with him on immigration, taxes, energy, and the death penalty.

Lowest:
3 (Kucinich) I only agree with him that the tax cuts shouldn't be permanent.:eek: Not that I disagreed with the tax cuts at the time, just that I don't think that we should lock ourselves into them if at some point we need to raise revenue.

Highest Democrat:
21 (Biden)


Just want to point out that "permanent" tax cuts don't mean they can never be raised again. It just means that the members of congress cannot simply achieve tax increases by letting a previous cut expire. They must actually VOTE TO RAISE the taxes. You know, sorta like the old myth about honesty in politics.

Your daily political science lesson has been brought to you by "THE SOCIETY FOR PEOPLE NEED TO SAY WHAT THEY MEAN DAMMIT" :D

[CoveMom]

The top one surprised me. I only showed where I disagreed. It is so much more illuminating. :)

Duncan Hunter
Score: 64

Disagree
Immigration



Fred Thompson
Score: 59

Disagree
Immigration
Energy



Sam Brownback
Score: 52

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Death Penalty


John McCain
Score: 52

Disagree
Immigration
Energy
Marriage


Mike Huckabee
Score: 50

Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Energy


Jim Gilmore
Score: 50

Disagree
Immigration
Abortion
Line-Item Veto


Tom Tancredo
Score: 47

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Energy
Death Penalty


Mitt Romney
Score: 43

Disagree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security


Rudy Giuliani
Score: 41

Disagree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Ron Paul
Score: 26

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty


Joe Biden
Score: 24

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Marriage


Bill Richardson
Score: 17

Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Energy
Marriage


John Edwards
Score: 15

Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Barack Obama
Score: 10

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Dennis Kucinich
Score: 10

Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty


Hillary Clinton
Score: 10

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Chris Dodd
Score: 5

Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty

[Firebird]

Just want to point out that "permanent" tax cuts don't mean they can never be raised again. It just means that the members of congress cannot simply achieve tax increases by letting a previous cut expire. They must actually VOTE TO RAISE the taxes. You know, sorta like the old myth about honesty in politics.

Your daily political science lesson has been brought to you by "THE SOCIETY FOR PEOPLE NEED TO SAY WHAT THEY MEAN DAMMIT" :D

That's true, but....the Iraq war is rapidly becoming more expenisve by the day. I don't know how people want to reconcile these three propositions:

A. Keep fighting in Iraq
B. Keep taxes low
C. Stop getting indebted to the Chinese

Those three things cannot work all together. You can pick only two, kinda like good, cheap, and fast.

[CoveMom]

That's true, but....the Iraq war is rapidly becoming more expenisve by the day. I don't know how people want to reconcile these three propositions:

A. Keep fighting in Iraq
B. Keep taxes low
C. Stop getting indebted to the Chinese

Those three things cannot work all together. You can pick only two, kinda like good, cheap, and fast.

I don't see any fault in your statement. I just like honesty in my public officials. Call me old-fashioned. I'd rather vote for someone who actually has the cojones to raise my taxes and tells me why than all this garbage they spew at the majority party about tax increases that are actually expirations of old cuts. BOTH parties do this. In local government we routinely vote the tax raisers back into office. Why don't the "national" weenies get this. People are not stupid. You certainly are not and I did not mean to imply such. The old "permanent vs sunset" tax cut argument is a pet peeve of mine. Well, more like a red-headed stepchild actually. :D

[KT2000]

I didn't score higher than 26 with any candidate.

[CoveMom]

I didn't score higher than 26 with any candidate.

That makes you one of those soccer/security/moderate/illegals, huh? j/k.;)

[KT2000]

That makes you one of those soccer/security/moderate/illegals, huh? j/k.;)

It just means I watch a ton of sports and pay very little attention to politics, but that is starting to change now that I've been out of school for a few years. Foreign policy is a huge issue and that's what I feel strongest about. I'm in the "stay the course" Iraq crowd.

[HebronHawk]

Below are the candidates ranked by how much you agree with their stances.

Duncan Hunter
Score: 43
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care


Mike Huckabee
Score: 41
Video Agree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Energy


Joe Biden
Score: 39
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Marriage


Sam Brownback
Score: 38
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Death Penalty


Fred Thompson
Score: 36
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy


Jim Gilmore
Score: 31
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Social Security
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Abortion
Line-Item Veto


Tom Tancredo
Score: 31
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty


John McCain
Score: 29
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Marriage


John Edwards
Score: 27
Video Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Bill Richardson
Score: 25
Video Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Energy
Marriage


Mitt Romney
Score: 24
Agree
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security


Barack Obama
Score: 22
Video Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Rudy Giuliani
Score: 22
Agree
Immigration
Social Security
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Dennis Kucinich
Score: 22
Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Disagree
Iraq
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty


Hillary Clinton
Score: 22
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage


Chris Dodd
Score: 17
Video Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Energy
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty


Ron Paul
Score: 14
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty


Mike Gravel
Score: 10
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty

I have met and spoke with Duncan Hunter, Congressman from California. He is the best conservative candidate in this election in either party, imo.

[jtk1519]

It just means I watch a ton of sports and pay very little attention to politics, but that is starting to change now that I've been out of school for a few years. Foreign policy is a huge issue and that's what I feel strongest about. I'm in the "stay the course" Iraq crowd.

That means you hate puppies and baby Jesus.

[jtk1519]

Brownback scored a 48 for me followed by Hunter, McCain and Giuliani all within 48-45 points. I thought Thompson might have scored higher (he was a 41), but I think our difference on energy policy pushed him down. My #1, Brownbeck, was the only one that agreed with my stance on Iraq which is probably what put him over the top. I was just happy to see Hilary near the bottom with 17.

[Firebird]

i know i probably souldn't agree with national health care but i have none. i take that back, my health care is the emergancy room! haven't been to a doctor in about 10 yrs. other than the E.R. the health clinic in killeen is a joke. all they do is diagnoss you and then send you to temple for care. i have no way to get to temple. besides i can't afford to miss work or something will be turned off when bill time comes!

Don't feel bad about it. The health care system in this country is a wreck, and every year fewer and fewer honest, working Americans can afford even basic medical coverage, and folks who think they have coverage find out otherwise when disaster strikes.

People who refuse to pay attention to folks like you and would rather just pretend like our system is the greatest in the world are just setting themselves up for fully socialized medicine. Rather than making some compromises now and admit that something has gotten screwed up, they'd rather wait until it builds into a situation so huge that no amount of heel-dragging will prevent a national health care bill.

It used to be that if you had a regular job, you could afford to go to the doctor. Now, that isn't the case-- and to me, that signals something wrong.

[slorch]

they should allow you to weight this on importance of issues.

it is. Did you take the quiz?

The second time took the quiz, (I wanted to see what would happen if I changed some responses) I changed the importance of the Death Penalty one and it changed my score some.

[okt0ber]

Rudy Giuliani (http://www.joinrudy2008.com/)
Score: 41
Agree
Immigration
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Line-Item Veto

Joe Biden (http://www.joebiden.com/)
Score: 35
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care

John McCain (http://www.johnmccain.com/)
Score: 34
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy

Mitt Romney (http://www.mittromney.com/)
Score: 33
Agree
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Health Care
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Social Security
Marriage

Duncan Hunter (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
Score: 32
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Marriage

Bill Richardson (http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/)
Score: 28
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Agree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Line-Item Veto
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Energy

Tom Tancredo (http://www.teamtancredo.com/)
Score: 27
Agree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Disagree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty

Sam Brownback (http://www.brownback.com/)
Score: 27
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Marriage
Death Penalty

Fred Thompson (http://www.fred08.com/)
Score: 27
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage

Jim Gilmore (http://www.gilmoreforpresident.com/)
Score: 26
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Abortion
Social Security
Energy
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Line-Item Veto
Marriage

John Edwards (http://www.johnedwards.com/)
Score: 26
Video (http://javascript<b></b>:playVideo('1777024', 'Matt%20Hammill%20Interviews%20Presidential%20Cand idate%20John%20Edwards', 'v', 'News', '465500', 'Political', '', 'www.WQAD.com');)
Agree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto

Mike Huckabee (http://www.mikehuckabee.com/)
Score: 25
Video (http://javascript<b></b>:playVideo('1751623', '1-on-1%20interview%20with%20Mike%20Huckabee', 'v', 'News', '639033', 'Political', '', 'www.WQAD.com');)
Agree
Immigration
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage

Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/)
Score: 23
Video (http://javascript<b></b>:playVideo('1748087', 'Interview%20with%20Barack%20Obama', 'v', 'Political%20-%20Democrat', '389500', 'Political', '', 'www.WQAD.com');)
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto

Hillary Clinton (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/)
Score: 23
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage
Death Penalty
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto

Dennis Kucinich (http://www.dennis4president.com/)
Score: 21
Agree
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty

Chris Dodd (http://www.chrisdodd.com/)
Score: 18
Video (http://javascript<b></b>:playVideo('1681695', 'Interview%20with%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Chr is%20Dodd', 'v', 'News', '677733', 'Political', '', 'www.WQAD.com');)
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Energy
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Death Penalty

Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)
Score: 17
Agree
Taxes
Health Care
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty

Mike Gravel (http://www.gravel2008.us/)
Score: 13
Agree
Stem-Cell Research
Abortion
Marriage
Disagree
Iraq
Immigration
Taxes
Health Care
Social Security
Line-Item Veto
Energy
Death Penalty

[Reaganrattler07]

Ok, people do NOT post the entire thing. Just the one closest and other "interesting" ones.

Its way too much to scroll.

[okt0ber]

Ok, people do NOT post the entire thing. Just the one closest and other "interesting" ones.

Its way too much to scroll.

Deal with it.

[jtk1519]

Ok, people do NOT post the entire thing. Just the one closest and other "interesting" ones.

Its way too much to scroll.

I have a tissue for your tears.

[slorch]

I have a tissue for your tears.

it's probably cancerous

[Reaganrattler07]

I have a tissue for your tears.

it's probably cancerous

They are the answer to Chuck Norris(or Mack Browns) tears. Those give life. Mine take them away.

[DrEdward]

How on earth can you match any of Hillary's positions, or not match virtually all of them, as she seems to have covered the waterfront on just about everything? :rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

it's probably cancerous

His tears? I realize he's a Redskins fan, but he's not that bad.

[slorch]

How on earth can you match any of Hillary's positions, or not match virtually all of them, as she seems to have covered the waterfront on just about everything? :rolleyes:

let's just say she could turn 90 more degrees to her right and still not be where ole Slorch is...:D

[jtk1519]

How on earth can you match any of Hillary's positions, or not match virtually all of them, as she seems to have covered the waterfront on just about everything? :rolleyes:

http://www.nndb.com/people/512/000024440/john-kerry.jpg

"She's an amateur."

[yankee]

duncan hunter: 50
fred thompson: 45
sam brownback: 43
jon gilmore: 40
john mccain: 35

[HebronHawk]

Brownback scored a 48 for me followed by Hunter, McCain and Giuliani all within 48-45 points. I thought Thompson might have scored higher (he was a 41), but I think our difference on energy policy pushed him down. My #1, Brownbeck, was the only one that agreed with my stance on Iraq which is probably what put him over the top. I was just happy to see Hilary near the bottom with 17.

Unfortunately, Brownbeck withdrew from the race this week.

[mtbray]

The highest anyone scored was 23 for me...

McCain and Ron Paul were the ones at the top of my list.

It should be noted they were also the only ones who were in agreement with me that federal funding for ethanol is a very bad idea - which to me is a big issue.


I also don't like having to choose Yes or No for gay marriage. I have my own solution that I cooked up a couple of years ago, but no one has the balls to make it happen. The government has no place getting tangled up with religion. If you think it should, maybe you ought to visit the middle east. Marriage has clear religious connotations. Therefore, the government should cease to recognize couples as "married" and only view them as some kind of legal partnership. There are many names for what you could call this - it doesn't matter. What does matter is that homosexuals seeking marriage will no longer go to the government for approval, they will go to the church, which is where marriage should be decided. Last time I checked, a pastor/priest/preacher runs a wedding, not a government official.

[GoOwls]

My highest was Duncan Hunter at 47,
Fred Thompson and Tom Tancredo at 44.

My highest Democrat was Joe Biden at 22,
John Edwards had 13,
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton had 8,
and Chris Dodd rounded out the field at 3.

I'd never heard of Hunter...I gotta check him out.

Thompson was my favorite going into the poll, kind of verified my liking him.

[slorch]

The highest anyone scored was 23 for me...

McCain and Ron Paul were the ones at the top of my list.

It should be noted they were also the only ones who were in agreement with me that federal funding for ethanol is a very bad idea - which to me is a big issue.


I also don't like having to choose Yes or No for gay marriage. I have my own solution that I cooked up a couple of years ago, but no one has the balls to make it happen. The government has no place getting tangled up with religion. If you think it should, maybe you ought to visit the middle east. Marriage has clear religious connotations. Therefore, the government should cease to recognize couples as "married" and only view them as some kind of legal partnership. There are many names for what you could call this - it doesn't matter. What does matter is that homosexuals seeking marriage will no longer go to the government for approval, they will go to the church, which is where marriage should be decided. Last time I checked, a pastor/priest/preacher runs a wedding, not a government official.

thank you, for the final nail in the coffin.

signed,
the American family

[HebronHawk]

My highest was Duncan Hunter at 47,
Fred Thompson and Tom Tancredo at 44.

My highest Democrat was Joe Biden at 22,
John Edwards had 13,
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton had 8,
and Chris Dodd rounded out the field at 3.

I'd never heard of Hunter...I gotta check him out.

Thompson was my favorite going into the poll, kind of verified my liking him.

You should definitely check out Duncan Hunter.

[Firebird]

The highest anyone scored was 23 for me...

McCain and Ron Paul were the ones at the top of my list.

It should be noted they were also the only ones who were in agreement with me that federal funding for ethanol is a very bad idea - which to me is a big issue.


I also don't like having to choose Yes or No for gay marriage. I have my own solution that I cooked up a couple of years ago, but no one has the balls to make it happen. The government has no place getting tangled up with religion. If you think it should, maybe you ought to visit the middle east. Marriage has clear religious connotations. Therefore, the government should cease to recognize couples as "married" and only view them as some kind of legal partnership. There are many names for what you could call this - it doesn't matter. What does matter is that homosexuals seeking marriage will no longer go to the government for approval, they will go to the church, which is where marriage should be decided. Last time I checked, a pastor/priest/preacher runs a wedding, not government official.

Well, you can go down to the JP and get hitched.

But I see and sympathize with your point. I can say that, actually being married, the little piece of paper that Cameron County issued me means far, far less than the vows I said before God and family.

I don't have too big of a problem with what you are advocating. The main problem would be sorting out the huge amount of marriage and family law we have on the books already (most of it designed to help us sort things out when marriages dissolve). I don't see how it would threaten the American family at all. What difference does it make to me and my spouse what the neighbors are doing?

[DragonWatcher]

Well, you can go down to the JP and get hitched.

But I see and sympathize with your point. I can say that, actually being married, the little piece of paper that Cameron County issued me means far, far less than the vows I said before God and family.

I don't have too big of a problem with what you are advocating. The main problem would be sorting out the huge amount of marriage and family law we have on the books already (most of it designed to help us sort things out when marriages dissolve). I don't see how it would threaten the American family at all. What difference does it make to me and my spouse what the neighbors are doing?


You've got to remember if gay union is legal a gay epidemic will sweep across the nation tearing even the most Christian family apart as divorced parents watch helplessly as their little children are devoured by gaydom.

[GoOwls]

Well, you can go down to the JP and get hitched.

But I see and sympathize with your point. I can say that, actually being married, the little piece of paper that Cameron County issued me means far, far less than the vows I said before God and family.

I don't have too big of a problem with what you are advocating. The main problem would be sorting out the huge amount of marriage and family law we have on the books already (most of it designed to help us sort things out when marriages dissolve). I don't see how it would threaten the American family at all. What difference does it make to me and my spouse what the neighbors are doing?

Trying to explain it to your kids while the rest of liberal America is doing their damnedest to normalize it. It is not normal or natural...when you get kids you will understand...it gets more personal.

[GoOwls]

You've got to remember if gay union is legal a gay epidemic will sweep across the nation tearing even the most Christian family apart as divorced parents watch helplessly as their little children are devoured by gaydom.


It already is........:( :puke

[LPMOM]

Don't feel bad about it. The health care system in this country is a wreck, and every year fewer and fewer honest, working Americans can afford even basic medical coverage, and folks who think they have coverage find out otherwise when disaster strikes.

People who refuse to pay attention to folks like you and would rather just pretend like our system is the greatest in the world are just setting themselves up for fully socialized medicine. Rather than making some compromises now and admit that something has gotten screwed up, they'd rather wait until it builds into a situation so huge that no amount of heel-dragging will prevent a national health care bill.

It used to be that if you had a regular job, you could afford to go to the doctor. Now, that isn't the case-- and to me, that signals something wrong.

i had a job at a daycare for almost 3 yrs. worked 40 hrs. a week but didn't qualify for insurance because i was only hired as a "part time" employee. there are loopholes in everything. had a friend that worked at 7-11, 32 hrs. and up she could get insurance, they worked her 30 and 31 hrs. per week. just a couple of examples out of millions. i have enough sense not to vote for hillary, but we as a nation need to have health care availible to people that can't get it otherwise. i guess if i quit work and was a bum i could get medicaide.
there needs to be something in place that would allow some people that work to still get medicaide but maybe have a co-pay or something with it.

[okt0ber]

You've got to remember if gay union is legal a gay epidemic will sweep across the nation tearing even the most Christian family apart as divorced parents watch helplessly as their little children are devoured by gaydom.

Oh right, a gay epidemic. Like it's a disease. That's just stupid. Go get a clue. :rolleyes:

[LPMOM]

It just means I watch a ton of sports and pay very little attention to politics, but that is starting to change now that I've been out of school for a few years. Foreign policy is a huge issue and that's what I feel strongest about. I'm in the "stay the course" Iraq crowd.

i actually voted for something i had never heard of and haven't researched it yet. the one about breaking iraq up into different regions with different government. i would like to hear more on this.

[DragonWatcher]

Oh right, a gay epidemic. Like it's a disease. That's just stupid. Go get a clue. :rolleyes:

Sorry I forgot its a "choice" so it can't therefore be an epidemic lol

[Firebird]

Trying to explain it to your kids while the rest of liberal America is doing their damnedest to normalize it. It is not normal or natural...when you get kids you will understand...it gets more personal.

And I don't see why we should make policy based on how tough it's gonna be to explain something to kids. At some point, you've got to do it anyway.

[Reaganrattler07]

Sorry I forgot its a "choice" so it can't therefore be an epidemic lol

You so pwned him.

[DragonWatcher]

You so pwned him.

Ya but I agree with his point of view anyway lol. Apparently "children being devoured by gaydom" wasn't enough of an extreme hyperbole for people to realize I was joking. Sad that some people actually think that type of thing is happening.

[Reaganrattler07]

Ya but I agree with his point of view anyway lol. Apparently "children being devoured by gaydom" wasn't enough of an extreme hyperbole for people to realize I was joking. Sad that some people actually think that type of thing is happening.

I do think it is some sort of "epidemic" though. And I do agree with both. I don't really think it's a choice. I got get into my opinions and what not but my psychology once said "If a child gets bad grades, he has a disease. If he gets good, then he doesn't have one" (or something along those lines).

[mad_fan]

Tancredo 37
McCain 32
Hunter 28
Thompson 28
Rudy 28
Gilmore 27
Paul 25
Brownback 23
Huckabee 21
Romney 19
Biden 11
Clinton 9
Obama 9
Richardson 6
Edwards 6
Kucinich 4
Dodd 4
Gravel 1


Makes me want to go out and shoot a migrant worker who’s not on a guest worker program, but married to another guy that is, with a bullet I paid too much for, as a result of the war, which I don’t mind, only to have said migrant hospitalized at my expense, which I do mind.

[okt0ber]

Ya but I agree with his point of view anyway lol. Apparently "children being devoured by gaydom" wasn't enough of an extreme hyperbole for people to realize I was joking. Sad that some people actually think that type of thing is happening.

People do believe that stuff, and hello this is Texas. What you just said, joking or not, is believed by many here. And, it's just sad. I can promise you I didn't choose anything. Because, I certainly would choose what I am, that's for damn sure.

[mtbray]

thank you, for the final nail in the coffin.

signed,
the American family

Last I heard the American family was either getting a divorce or not getting married in the first place - in favor of some new bs trend called "cohabitation".

[okt0ber]

Last I heard the American family was either getting a divorce or not getting married in the first place - in favor of some new bs trend called "cohabitation".

They're just "roommates" haha

[GoOwls]

Ya but I agree with his point of view anyway lol. Apparently "children being devoured by gaydom" wasn't enough of an extreme hyperbole for people to realize I was joking. Sad that some people actually think that type of thing is happening.

It is happening......I remember when teenagers didn't have a clue what "gay" was and didn't know anyone gay.....now it is accepted as normal...the last 35-40 years have been frightening if you saw them unfold.

[GoOwls]

People do believe that stuff, and hello this is Texas. What you just said, joking or not, is believed by many here. And, it's just sad. I can promise you I didn't choose anything. Because, I certainly would choose what I am, that's for damn sure.


But you did choose, whether you knew it or not.

[HebronHawk]

People do believe that stuff, and hello this is Texas. What you just said, joking or not, is believed by many here. And, it's just sad. I can promise you I didn't choose anything. Because, I certainly would choose what I am, that's for damn sure.

Being gay is not genetic, it's a choice.

[slorch]

And I don't see why we should make policy based on how tough it's gonna be to explain something to kids. At some point, you've got to do it anyway.

So why don't we use profanity in front of our kids? They're going to hear it anyway.

For someone supposedly so intelligent, well, you leave some serious questions about your common sense.

[slorch]

Last I heard the American family was either getting a divorce or not getting married in the first place - in favor of some new bs trend called "cohabitation".

I don't believe in that either.

don't ever under estimate that your kids identify a lack of commitment( cohabitation vs. marriage)

[slorch]

Tancredo 37
McCain 32
Hunter 28
Thompson 28
Rudy 28
Gilmore 27
Paul 25
Brownback 23
Huckabee 21
Romney 19
Biden 11
Clinton 9
Obama 9
Richardson 6
Edwards 6
Kucinich 4
Dodd 4
Gravel 1


Makes me want to go out and shoot a migrant worker who’s not on a guest worker program, but married to another guy that is, with a bullet I paid too much for, as a result of the war, which I don’t mind, only to have said migrant hospitalized at my expense, which I do mind.

you scored entirely too high on Clinton. It's time to rethink some of your views...:rolleyes::D

[JMSFan]

People do believe that stuff, and hello this is Texas. What you just said, joking or not, is believed by many here. And, it's just sad. I can promise you I didn't choose anything. Because, I certainly would choose what I am, that's for damn sure.

Sorry , but you did choose.

[Firebird]

So why don't we use profanity in front of our kids? They're going to hear it anyway.

For someone supposedly so intelligent, well, you leave some serious questions about your common sense.

We don't legislate the use of profanity. We don't legislate what someone says in their own home. Are we going to start legislating that, too "for the children"?

You're confusing the role of government with the role of parents. It's my job to teach my kids right or wrong. Not the governments. I always have to laugh at "conservatives" who rail at the "nanny state". They want one too, they just want one that will only take care of their own pet areas.

[GHSalumni]

I know this is Texas and all but sheesh, are there any other liberals out there?

I scored highest with Edwards and Richardson (who I have supported for awhile)

Am I alone in here?!? :D

[KT2000]

I know this is Texas and all but sheesh, are there any other liberals out there?

I scored highest with Edwards and Richardson (who I have supported for awhile)

Am I alone in here?!? :D

I liberally indulge in fig newtons.

[GHSalumni]

I liberally indulge in fig newtons.

entertaining answer, at least.

[KT2000]

I'd make a great political candidate. There are multiple sides to an issue, and I usually find some agreement with each. :)

[slorch]

good politics, maybe, but terrible leadership. That is, unless your constituency is spaghetti spined as well. Try France...:D

[KT2000]

good politics, maybe, but terrible leadership. That is, unless your constituency is spaghetti spined as well. Try France...:D

France is postin' up these days.

[slorch]

I know this is Texas and all but sheesh, are there any other liberals out there?

I scored highest with Edwards and Richardson (who I have supported for awhile)

Am I alone in here?!? :D

i'm still trying to figure out which question I agreed with Hillary, Edwards, and Obama on...:D

My results were very polarized. sorry, I'm not a middle of the road kind of guy. While I may have opinions on topics such as Elway vs. Montana or Camaro vs. Mustang, when it comes to life issues, I tend to have conviction with the way I believe.

I expect my representatives to do the same.

[Firebird]

good politics, maybe, but terrible leadership. That is, unless your constituency is spaghetti spined as well. Try France...:D

Leaders never admit that they don't have all the answers. That's called "confidence" and "backbone". You're right dammit! End of story.

[okt0ber]

Sure I did. I'm not going to get into all this because it's not worth enough to me. I know what I know and I have nothing to prove to anyone. Keep on with what you believe and I'll keep with mine. But, until you're in the same position, you're not in a position to judge. Nor is it your place. Only God will judge me.

[slorch]

Leaders never admit that they don't have all the answers. That's called "confidence" and "backbone". You're right dammit! End of story.

didn't say they had all of the answers.

I do expect them to vote according to the answers they campaigned on. that is a rare cat these days.

[Firebird]

didn't say they had all of the answers.

I do expect them to vote according to the answers they campaigned on. that is a rare cat these days.

I'd rather have one who might realize that the answers they campaigned on were wrong.

[slorch]

I'd rather have one who might realize that the answers they campaigned on were wrong.

i respect your answer, but i struggle with why someone would campaign on something, only to change once they got more lobby money... ugh... information.

If i voted for someone who supported the ownership of guns, and they vote for a bill revoking that right, I would definitely be in the right to be pissed.

[DragonWatcher]

I ended up with Obama on top which doesn't surprise me as he's the one I actually donated money to. Hilary was next but the problem is I'm not sure her so called "views" actually agree with mine and she's not just pandering to the electorate.

[LPMOM]

I'd make a great political candidate. There are multiple sides to an issue, and I usually find some agreement with each. :)

hey, if you get elected will you start banning people out of our state? you could just send them to california!:D

[LPMOM]

Sure I did. I'm not going to get into all this because it's not worth enough to me. I know what I know and I have nothing to prove to anyone. Keep on with what you believe and I'll keep with mine. But, until you're in the same position, you're not in a position to judge. Nor is it your place. Only God will judge me.

just wanted to let you know that you're one of my FAVORITE posters!

[DragonWatcher]

It is happening......I remember when teenagers didn't have a clue what "gay" was and didn't know anyone gay.....now it is accepted as normal...the last 35-40 years have been frightening if you saw them unfold.

Knowing that gay people exist doesn't kill American children. It doesn't break apart American families. Gays have existed throughout all of humanity and will exist for as long as we all are here. Gay still isn't accepted as normal today even though it should be. Normal meaning occurring in the world naturally. Being Gay isn't a disease or a virus or some genetic deficiency. I disagree with it strongly from a religious perspective, but there is absolutely no legitimate legal argument for why the government should ban/discriminate against gay civil union. In a government and constitution that prides itself on freedom of religion and separation of church and state, to impose moralistic laws based on one narrow view of a single religious denomination is just absurd. If that trend continues you would have to ban premarital sex, cursing, wearing of clothing made of more than one material, football games on the Sunday, etc. If you want to live in a country like that you should move to Iran.

The real threat to American families is divorce. Currently 45-50% of all couples who get married in this day and age will get divorced. The percentage gets extremely higher for those that marry again. This is what hurts children in a family, because it actually breaks a family apart unlike "knowing what gay is". Their vows before God mean absolutely nothing to them as these percentages don't change more than a few percentage points within protestant denominations. That is the real threat to American families because the very foundation of the family is crumbling due to divorce.

[LPMOM]

Knowing that gay people exist doesn't kill American children. It doesn't break apart American families. Gays have existed throughout all of humanity and will exist for as long as we all are here. Gay still isn't accepted as normal today even though it should be. Normal meaning occurring in the world naturally. Being Gay isn't a disease or a virus or some genetic deficiency. I disagree with it strongly from a religious perspective, but there is absolutely no legitimate legal argument for why the government should ban/discriminate against gay civil union. In a government and constitution that prides itself on freedom of religion and separation of church and state, to impose moralistic laws based on one narrow view of a single religious denomination is just absurd. If that trend continues you would have to ban premarital sex, cursing, wearing of clothing made of more than one material, football games on the Sunday, etc. If you want to live in a country like that you should move to Iran.

The real threat to American families is divorce. Currently 45-50% of all couples who get married in this day and age will get divorced. The percentage gets extremely higher for those that marry again. This is what hurts children in a family, because it actually breaks a family apart unlike "knowing what gay is". Their vows before God mean absolutely nothing to them as these percentages don't change more than a few percentage points within protestant denominations. That is the real threat to American families because the very foundation of the family is crumbling due to divorce.

WOW! A GREAT POST!!!

[slorch]

divorce is a symptom of a lack of commitment. I agree that it destroys our families.

Why would a gov't recognize a gay union? Where does it stop, me and my best friend? two old ladies that are not romantically involved, but are companions in life? shouldn't we recognize some extra "rights" for them as well?

marriage should be recognized by the Gov't for any two people that want to live together.

why not count friends instead of dependents when figuring aid to families, since we are ignoring traditional definitions of marriage, let's follow through on other standards for measuring family structure.

let anarchy rule, so nobody can be denied. No hurt feelings. everything you want to do is OK. Self expression shall always trump society's needs.

i think no one should be told no, in today's society. i would hate for someone to actually be held accountable for the decisions they make, or don't.

note- please turn sarcasmometer on "high" while reading this post.

[DragonWatcher]

divorce is a symptom of a lack of commitment. I agree that it destroys our families.

Why would a gov't recognize a gay union? Where does it stop, me and my best friend? two old ladies that are not romantically involved, but are companions in life? shouldn't we recognize some extra "rights" for them as well?

marriage should be recognized by the Gov't for any two people that want to live together.

why not count friends instead of dependents when figuring aid to families, since we are ignoring traditional definitions of marriage, let's follow through on other standards for measuring family structure.

let anarchy rule, so nobody can be denied. No hurt feelings. everything you want to do is OK. Self expression shall always trump society's needs.

i think no one should be told no, in today's society. i would hate for someone to actually be held accountable for the decisions they make, or don't.

note- please turn sarcasmometer on "high" while reading this post.

Gay union should require the same verification as heterosexual civil union. There's no law that says two heterosexual people have to be in love to get married either. There is a level of commitment required to be united legally to someone. There also in many states is no law against gay couples adopting children, which again creates a family structure.

[HebronHawk]

It's not every presidential candidate that has a published email address:

Duncan Hunter (R), Congressman from CA:

duncan.hunter@yahoo.com

I'm sure he would like to hear from you.

[slorch]

Gay union should require the same verification as heterosexual civil union. There's no law that says two heterosexual people have to be in love to get married either. There is a level of commitment required to be united legally to someone. There also in many states is no law against gay couples adopting children, which again creates a family structure.

if you define family by that, then your other suggestions are consistent. I'll give you that.

Does it not dawn on you folks that the more the traditional family lines and ideals have been perverted and corrupted, so too, has the very foundation of the decency of our society?

just because people have the freedom to be a freak, doesn't mean they need to do it!

[Firebird]

divorce is a symptom of a lack of commitment. I agree that it destroys our families.

Why would a gov't recognize a gay union? Where does it stop, me and my best friend? two old ladies that are not romantically involved, but are companions in life? shouldn't we recognize some extra "rights" for them as well?

marriage should be recognized by the Gov't for any two people that want to live together.

why not count friends instead of dependents when figuring aid to families, since we are ignoring traditional definitions of marriage, let's follow through on other standards for measuring family structure.

let anarchy rule, so nobody can be denied. No hurt feelings. everything you want to do is OK. Self expression shall always trump society's needs.

i think no one should be told no, in today's society. i would hate for someone to actually be held accountable for the decisions they make, or don't.

note- please turn sarcasmometer on "high" while reading this post.

I agree, and have some more ideas I'd like to discuss with you. Perhaps you can teach me some of this "sarcasm".

Signed,

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[Firebird]

if you define family by that, then your other suggestions are consistent. I'll give you that.

Does it not dawn on you folks that the more the traditional family lines and ideals have been perverted and corrupted, so too, has the very foundation of the decency of our society?

just because people have the freedom to be a freak, doesn't mean they need to do it!

Has it dawned on you that perhaps, if our message as Christians is falling on deaf ears, we need to reevaluate why we aren't getting to people, rather than ask the federal government to legislate appropriate behavior for us?

You and I share (mostly) the same morals, but different perceptions on what role the federal government should have in upholding them.

[slorch]

i don't feel the gov't has much of a role at all in morality, or frankly, we're screwed.

i do believe it is the gov't's role to protect life( abortion)

I do believe we as a nation should stop subsidizing habitual laziness and irresponsibility( welfare and emergency rooms)

I am amazed that so many folks want their way of life to be legislated , because that's the only way 98% of rationally thinking people would ever act upon it( gay marriage)

I ultimately believe in individual responsibility. My life is full of examples of times others have helped me, but not because someone told them to do so
1) I am adopted, from a foster home, from an abusive home
2) I lived in Gov't housing after my Dad( the one that adopted me) left us, from age 13 to 17. 4 years later, we moved out.
3) I used the GI Bill to pay for school. While I earned this, i also recognize society's willingness to reinvest in someone that contributes to our nation's welbeing.
4) when we first got married and had our first son, we took WIC, the commodities for Women with Infant Children.

Today, I pay more in federal and property taxes than I made the first year we were married.
I work about 60-70 hours a week, and lead people at work.
I volunteer at church, youth football, city parks, and the local library, and this is regularly, not just for 1 or 2 days a year.

I have made a personal commtiment to raise our sons to contribute to their communities as well.
i think society's investment in me has come full circle, with possibly a slight surplus in society's favor.

This is why I am so passionate about topics like this, because they are more than just discussion points to me. I am no more qualified than the next guy to determine policy, but I have experienced many things in my life that have touched beyond the rhetorical realm. While some throw things out there in order to drive an agenda or some situation that may affect 2% of the people, most of the time my voice comes from having lived it.

[slorch]

I agree, and have some more ideas I'd like to discuss with you. Perhaps you can teach me some of this "sarcasm".

Signed,

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

i was talking about social standards, not socialism as a whole.

did make me laugh though, and do this:eek:

[Firebird]

i don't feel the gov't has much of a role at all in morality, or frankly, we're screwed.

i do believe it is the gov't's role to protect life( abortion)

I do believe we as a nation should stop subsidizing habitual laziness and irresponsibility( welfare and emergency rooms)

I am amazed that so many folks want their way of life to be legislated , because that's the only way 98% of rationally thinking people would ever act upon it( gay marriage)

I ultimately believe in individual responsibility. My life is full of examples of times others have helped me.
1) I am adopted, from a foster home, from an abusive home
2) I lived in Gov't housing after my Dad( the one that adopted me) left us, from age 13 to 17. 4 years later, we moved out.
3) I used the GI Bill to pay for school. While I earned this, i also recognize society's willingness to reinvest in someone that contributes to our nation's welbeing.
4) when we first got married and had our first son, we took WIC, the commodities for Women with Infant Children.

Today, I pay more in federal and property taxes than I made the first year we were married.
I work about 60-70 hours a week, and lead people at work.
I volunteer at church, youth football, city parks, and the local library, and this is regularly, not just for 1 or 2 days a year.

I have made a personal commtiment to raise our sons to contribute to their communities as well.
i think society's investment in me has come full circle, with possibly a slight surplus in society's favor.

This is why I am so passionate about topics like this, because they are more than just discussion points to me. I am no more qualified than the next guy to determine policy, but I have experienced many things in my life that have touched beyond the rhetorical realm. While some throw things out there in order to drive an agenda or some situation that may affect 2% of the people, most of the time my voice comes from having lived it.

But you are right now speaking in favor of your way of life being legislated. Granted, your way of life is in the "majority", but still....if we are talking principles here.

[slorch]

But you are right now speaking in favor of your way of life being legislated. Granted, your way of life is in the "majority", but still....if we are talking principles here.

what legislation?

abortion? yes, I believe it's murder. i would like to have an election on this topic, rather than leaving it in the judicial branch's hands
gay marriage? if other laws weren't being written endorsing it, I wouldn't need a law making it illegal would I?
gun control? enforce the second ammendment, stop chipping away at it.
affirmative action- fixing discrimiation that was wrong with more discrimination. somehow it doesn't add up for me.
immigration? no new laws needed. enforce the ones on the books
welfare? 5 year limit, no increases for more dependents. It is actually not a law, but fiscal responsibility I am seeking.
I would like a flat tax, a consumption tax. It would be much more fair than the one we have today.
I agree with some tax rebates for industry, but not the blatant corporate welfare. If their taxes go up, the cost will simply be passed on to us, though.
My prison system would be a true deturrant to crime, not a camp for networking and gang activity. people would not want to go to my prisons. In my whole life I have never been arrested, or even close. i honestly don't understand how someone in America would ever have any business hurting someone else. they should pay dearly for doing so. you put your kid in the microwave, you'll do hard labor for the rest of your life. I don't neccessarily agree with the death penalty, but for crimes against children or women, I'm all for public torture. This crap has got to end. It pisses me off.

No I don't want my beliefs legislated to others in our country, but there is simple right and wrong. To my point earlier, there has to be some identifyable standard. Today in our country it is almost invisible. I see it every day in public, and this is a "conservative" part of the country!

i do my part through raising our boys right. I try to be an example to other parents. I make an impact through my testimony one person at a time. I am not perfect. i do not expect others to be either. i do expect effort and self-discipline, that some folks are unwilling to produce. I'm much more concerned about people whose lives I touch.

That, in and of itself, is stronger than any rhetorical argument will ever be. I do what I do because it is my conviction that it is the right thing to do, not because of political affiliation or religious agenda. people that see you on the street see right through that.

[Firebird]

what legislation?

I'm guessing you are in favor of a Constitutional Ammendment defining marriage as between a man and woman, no?

If you aren't then I've been mistaken about what you are arguing.

[Firebird]

i was talking about social standards, not socialism as a whole.

did make me laugh though, and do this:eek:

You do realize that Soviet communism carried with it a whole package of law designed to enforce morality and decent, "cultured" behavior? To uphold certain standards of society?

If you think our old "blue laws" were strict, you have no idea what a nudie magazine would get you back in the good old CCCP.

[slorch]

You do realize that Soviet communism carried with it a whole package of law designed to enforce morality and decent, "cultured" behavior? To uphold certain standards of society?

If you think our old "blue laws" were strict, you have no idea what a nudie magazine would get you back in the good old CCCP.

about $20and a bowl of borsch?

[mtbray]

1) Gays should not be able to get married.
2) Being gay isn't a choice.
3) Gays should be able to have unions.
4) I had spaghetti for dinner yesterday.
5) People who think English should be the official/national language of the United States of America should always use correct grammar - lest they be hypocrites.
6) Straight couples should be able to get married at the church.
7) Straight couples should get "unionized" by the government.
7) I like lists.
8) I have two number 7's.

[country club]

Thanks for posting this. I hope everbody take this and at least gets some idea of where they stand and get some clue where each candidate stands. They ( THE CANDIDATES ) all must gravitate to the MIDDLE, somewhat, to make their views more in tune with the majority of the people. With that said, PLEASE VOTE !!!!!!!!!!
MANY PEOPLE DIED FOR YOUR RIGHT TO DISAGREE.

[Firebird]

about $20and a bowl of borsch?

Or a no joke prison sentance, depending on which comrade you approached.

[slorch]

Or a no joke prison sentance, depending on which comrade you approached.

well I wouldn't be sharing my Playboy with anyone then...:eek:

[LPMOM]

[QUOTE=slorch;616631]i don't feel the gov't has much of a role at all in morality, or frankly, we're screwed.

i do believe it is the gov't's role to protect life( abortion)

I do believe we as a nation should stop subsidizing habitual laziness and irresponsibility( welfare and emergency rooms)


emergency rooms? where else can i go when i'm sick? how does that make me lazy? i work with infants, the future of our country! i love my work and i'm gifted for it! i tried working in plants and was miserable! i missed my babies and toddlers! someone has to be there to take care of them! but at $6 an hr. and no benifits what would you have me do?
I AM NOT LAZY!!!

i went to the health clinic in killeen and they referred me to scott and white in temple. will you come drive me there?

[slorch]

[QUOTE=slorch;616631]i don't feel the gov't has much of a role at all in morality, or frankly, we're screwed.

i do believe it is the gov't's role to protect life( abortion)

I do believe we as a nation should stop subsidizing habitual laziness and irresponsibility( welfare and emergency rooms)


emergency rooms? where else can i go when i'm sick? how does that make me lazy? i work with infants, the future of our country! i love my work and i'm gifted for it! i tried working in plants and was miserable! i missed my babies and toddlers! someone has to be there to take care of them! but at $6 an hr. and no benifits what would you have me do?
I AM NOT LAZY!!!



i went to the health clinic in killeen and they referred me to scott and white in temple. will you come drive me there?

ER's were designed for emergencies, not the sniffles. i was speaking to the fact that ER's are flooded with folks that just want to avoid paying doctor bills. It is redistribution of wealth( raising my medical bills to pay for those who do not.) It is abusing the system, and I disagree with it.

[Firebird]

[QUOTE=LPMOM;617486]

ER's were designed for emergencies, not the sniffles. i was speaking to the fact that ER's are flooded with folks that just want to avoid paying doctor bills. It is redistribution of wealth( raising my medical bills to pay for those who do not.) It is abusing the system, and I disagree with it.

ER's are flooded with people who cannot afford to pay doctor bills. There's a critical distinction there.

[LPMOM]

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ER's were designed for emergencies, not the sniffles. i was speaking to the fact that ER's are flooded with folks that just want to avoid paying doctor bills. It is redistribution of wealth( raising my medical bills to pay for those who do not.) It is abusing the system, and I disagree with it.

i understand what you are saying and agree that there are people that do that. i however don't go for the sniffles. the times i've been were because my eye was swollen shut from an abcessed tooth, i've had kidney stones more than once, and pneumonia (which probably could have been avoided if i had been able to go to the dr. when it was just bronchitis).
i to get pissed off at some the people that are in the er room.ex. my kids have medicaide so i take the to a dr. when they are sick but i see people when it's not a true emergency go to the er. with their kids because it was more convienent for them (i'm not talking about true emergencys).

[slorch]

[QUOTE=slorch;617612]

ER's are flooded with people who cannot afford to pay doctor bills. There's a critical distinction there.

but they have 3 or 4 kids with them?

makes sense to me...:rolleyes: