Garland Game, Coaches and Parents read this

[db32tx]

I know absolutely nothing about Garland, this was the first Garland game I have ever attended. This was the impression I had of the game. I dont think I cant put enough emphasis on this. That was the worst display of sportsmanship by a team I have ever seen. A lot of hype was built up for the South Garland vs. Garland game so I decided this would be a can't miss game. Instead of watching two great teams full of talent battle it out, I saw the difference in how two coaches handle their players. The behavior of the Garland team was so overwhelmingly adrupt, that it turned the game into a circus fiasco. Before the game even started Garland was on South's part of the warmup field taunting and talking trash. Is this Texas football? Is this what the game has turned into? The South Garland team was playing their hearts out but was overshadowed because on the other side of the ball you had a team that portrayed a bunch of THUGS, not to say they aren't good kids. Parents, coaches, and the whole GISD staff should be ashamed of themselves. Garland coaches, why don't you go watch a Southlake Carroll, an Austin Westlake, a Midland Lee team and see the difference in how a team is coached and how the players behave. I guarentee those coaches are teaching their kids what it means to have discipline, character, integrity, sportsmanship. I saw a Garland team that was out of control, no sportsmanship, taunting, trash talking, dancing around the field during the game like they were in a night club. Is this how the game is supposed to be played? Is this what Texas football is about? What are you teaching these kids about life? I played football in the SEC, and everytime we suited up against a LSU or Alabama you could count on it being a battle to the very end. The competition was extremely high, the intensity that both teams had was high, but what was also great was the respect that we had for each other. It was two teams going head to head and leaving it all on the field and after the game having such a respect for each other we were able to celebrate the game together. Win or loss, there was celebration because of respect. Life is bigger than the game and if our coaches aren't teaching our kids about life then they are loosing. This type of behavior is not even tolerated at the next level. College coaches dont allow this conduct AT ALL! So what makes it ok at the high school level? Garland coaches you shoudl really be ashamed of yourselves and the message that you are portraying to the fans and even worse to the youngsters watching. Parents what values and morals are your son's coaching instilling into them? What I saw was the worst display of character on the part of the Garland coaching staff. Parents you should be ashamed that a coach would allow your kids to act like that. Football is a game that teaches us a lot about life. What is your son's coach teaching your kids?

[BigArab]

I know absolutely nothing about Garland, this was the first Garland game I have ever attended. This was the impression I had of the game. I dont think I cant put enough emphasis on this. That was the worst display of sportsmanship by a team I have ever seen. A lot of hype was built up for the South Garland vs. Garland game so I decided this would be a can't miss game. Instead of watching two great teams full of talent battle it out, I saw the difference in how two coaches handle their players. The behavior of the Garland team was so overwhelmingly adrupt, that it turned the game into a circus fiasco. Before the game even started Garland was on South's part of the warmup field taunting and talking trash. Is this Texas football? Is this what the game has turned into? The South Garland team was playing their hearts out but was overshadowed because on the other side of the ball you had a team that portrayed a bunch of THUGS, not to say they aren't good kids. Parents, coaches, and the whole GISD staff should be ashamed of themselves. Garland coaches, why don't you go watch a Southlake Carroll, an Austin Westlake, a Midland Lee team and see the difference in how a team is coached and how the players behave. I guarentee those coaches are teaching their kids what it means to have discipline, character, integrity, sportsmanship. I saw a Garland team that was out of control, no sportsmanship, taunting, trash talking, dancing around the field during the game like they were in a night club. Is this how the game is supposed to be played? Is this what Texas football is about? What are you teaching these kids about life? I played football in the SEC, and everytime we suited up against a LSU or Alabama you could count on it being a battle to the very end. The competition was extremely high, the intensity that both teams had was high, but what was also great was the respect that we had for each other. It was two teams going head to head and leaving it all on the field and after the game having such a respect for each other we were able to celebrate the game together. Win or loss, there was celebration because of respect. Life is bigger than the game and if our coaches aren't teaching our kids about life then they are loosing. This type of behavior is not even tolerated at the next level. College coaches dont allow this conduct AT ALL! So what makes it ok at the high school level? Garland coaches you shoudl really be ashamed of yourselves and the message that you are portraying to the fans and even worse to the youngsters watching. Parents what values and morals are your son's coaching instilling into them? What I saw was the worst display of character on the part of the Garland coaching staff. Parents you should be ashamed that a coach would allow your kids to act like that. Football is a game that teaches us a lot about life. What is your son's coach teaching your kids?

Wow...just wow. I hate seeing teams do things like that. I have respect for many of the teams we have played because of the respect they show in return. That is really unacceptable. Against, Lufkin, those guys both would talk some trash during the game (its expected) but you could always count on at the end of a play, they would help each other up, pat each other on the back, and give a word of encouragement. That is how it should be.

[dragons08]

Wow...just wow. I hate seeing teams do things like that. I have respect for many of the teams we have played because of the respect they show in return. That is really unacceptable. Against, Lufkin, those guys both would talk some trash during the game (its expected) but you could always count on at the end of a play, they would help each other up, pat each other on the back, and give a word of encouragement. That is how it should be.
i know exaclty what you mean, colleyville heritage has a very respectful team, but their fans...i dont even want to bring that up again..oh man no class what so ever..but their team waited for us to finsih the alma matter then shook hands again and stuff it makes you think how do they learn that from their friends/parents

[Roughrider]

WOW!! Watch it, if you talk about GHS their fans will attack... Because no one but them can make comments about their and everyone else's program! ;)

[GarlandOwl06]

Of course rough is on here because he can't say anything about his school becase they are not very good.

Everyone knows how garland football is played. Garland plays smash mouth football running and hittin hard. Garland is a perdomenantly black school with a majority black football team, so yea they do dance when they make a play because that is how they get themselves hyped up. To go and say that they are "thugs" because of this is just not called for. Also yea there was some taunting going on but thats because this is south garland we were playing against. These two teams hate each others guts. I would not have gone so far to say that the game was a circus idk how you drew up that conclusion. You know i am not saying that we are perfectly disciplined or w/e because i know rough is gonna try to say us garland fans are trying to make excuses but the way i see it you can sit here and say w/e you want but who came out with win..... it wasnt south garland, who was to you so much more composed and whatever else you said. You can talk trash all you want if you can back it up which is what we did, which is what carter did against us. Terrel Owens talks trash and taunts all the time but everyone would agree he is the best reciever in the nfl. Randy Moss talks trash but you can' say he is not one of the best players in the nfl. The way you described the game as out of control is rediculous. Everyone knows some of those calls were bogous though some of the callas were correct but that can be for you to decide. Most people would call Ennis a class act program right................. Well if i remember correctly, last year they walked into williams stadium out of there tunnel to the center of the field looked at the Garland sideline and placed there flag in the middle of our field..... real classy huh. This year we played at Ennis and we could have done the same thing but did we????? No we didnt. . The only difference is Ennis could not back it up and we beat them both times. Also when we played Lufkin in the playoffs 2 years ago our team had to walk across there field house with the team outside yelling and cursing at us. What was the result of that game.... a win for Garland. So overall yes im not saying that Garland has never dont this or that or that we are perfect but least we have backed it up and yes we do need to be more disciplined but to call this football team thugs and what not is just rediculous especially when you hear about shootings at the cedar hill duncanville game. So because the players get excited and slap skin after plays it is the worst display of sportsmanship you have ever seen in a game?!? Thats verrry over the top. As if you have never seen guys get excited and dance and celebrate on a football field??? This is Garlands biggest rivalry and game of the year so everyone was a little wound up. I'm not saying we have great disipline because we dont, its probably our biggest weakness. But for someone who knows nothing about the program or the team to get on here and publically bash a team such as you have is rediculous and unacceptable. I guess people will never quit trying to target Garland for something.

[owlfan 1]

As you said, you know nothing about Garland football.

As I stated in another post, I agree that the Owls play with a "ghetto" attitude. They talk. They taunt. They make stupid mistakes that cost them. They dance around and do things that drive me, as a fan, crazy. Yes, I wish sometimes they would play with more "class". But, guess what? I still love them, still support them and will always back them, their coaches, and their program. These are not thugs - they are good kids who work hard and are having the times of their lives, and they DO NOT DESERVE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THEM MAKING SELF RIGHTEOUS PROCLIMATIONS about how they ought to act. Don't like them? Fine. Get in line. We Owl fans will be there with them and for them. Want classy football. Watch tapes of the 1958 Baltimore Colts, go to see Southlake and Westlake and whatever other lake you want, and leave these kids alone.

[grayowl60]

This bd32tx guy likes to talk about how high school football is better these days. I would also add Different. What you saw was spirit and passion. Trying to hold that down with the kids these days is like trying to catch wind in a bottle. As long as its is not cheap shots etc.,LET EM PLAY! OWLS WILL WIN!

[Favpack]

Am I dreaming or do I remember a thread from last year -- maybe it was between North and South G. in which South was accused of being pretty classless? Not trying to stir the pot - but I do know all Garland, South and North games are very heated.

Of course, if it gets excessive the refs are supposed to step in and clamp down.

[PantherStang84]

WOW!! Watch it, if you talk about GHS their fans will attack... Because no one but them can make comments about their and everyone else's program!

Wow! Rough you were right. It started with the very next post.

BTW...Garland if you want to come out here and defend your program no one is going to blame you. However, you cross the line when you try to justify your actions by slandering other programs. Defend yourselves but leave other schools out of it or this may be a very long thread.

[Roughrider]

Of course rough is on here because he can't say anything about his school becase they are not very good.

Everyone knows how garland football is played. Garland plays smash mouth football running and hittin hard. Garland is a perdomenantly black school with a majority black football team, so yea they do dance when they make a play because that is how they get themselves hyped up. To go and say that they are "thugs" because of this is just not called for. Also yea there was some taunting going on but thats because this is south garland we were playing against. These two teams hate each others guts. I would not have gone so far to say that the game was a circus idk how you drew up that conclusion. You know i am not saying that we are perfectly disciplined or w/e because i know rough is gonna try to say us garland fans are trying to make excuses but the way i see it you can sit here and say w/e you want but who came out with win..... it wasnt south garland, who was to you so much more composed and whatever else you said. You can talk trash all you want if you can back it up which is what we did, which is what carter did against us. Terrel Owens talks trash and taunts all the time but everyone would agree he is the best reciever in the nfl. Randy Moss talks trash but you can' say he is not one of the best players in the nfl. The way you described the game as out of control is rediculous. Everyone knows some of those calls were bogous though some of the callas were correct but that can be for you to decide. Most people would call Ennis a class act program right................. Well if i remember correctly, last year they walked into williams stadium out of there tunnel to the center of the field looked at the Garland sideline and placed there flag in the middle of our field..... real classy huh. This year we played at Ennis and we could have done the same thing but did we????? No we didnt. . The only difference is Ennis could not back it up and we beat them both times. Also when we played Lufkin in the playoffs 2 years ago our team had to walk across there field house with the team outside yelling and cursing at us. What was the result of that game.... a win for Garland. So overall yes im not saying that Garland has never dont this or that or that we are perfect but least we have backed it up and yes we do need to be more disciplined but to call this football team thugs and what not is just rediculous especially when you hear about shootings at the cedar hill duncanville game. So because the players get excited and slap skin after plays it is the worst display of sportsmanship you have ever seen in a game?!? Thats verrry over the top. As if you have never seen guys get excited and dance and celebrate on a football field??? This is Garlands biggest rivalry and game of the year so everyone was a little wound up. I'm not saying we have great disipline because we dont, its probably our biggest weakness. But for someone who knows nothing about the program or the team to get on here and publically bash a team such as you have is rediculous and unacceptable. I guess people will never quit trying to target Garland for something.


Wrap a terd up in a pretty box but you still only have a terd..... I might have bought some of that crap you were dishing out until you used the two idiots of NFL Randy Moss and Terrell Owens... Being talented doesn't excuse you from being human..... I would rather my children grow up and be poor with no talent, but an appreciation and respect for others, than grow up to be like the idiots of the NFL Moss and Owens.... How many championships have they won!!

Oh and didn't I warn you db32tx, if you comment about the Owls you get hammered. Don't you know they are the only ones on here that can talk about their team as well as other teams?? ;)

[GarlandOwl06]

Rough talk about your team then lets hear it. Last year it was south garland now its sachse so pick whichever one you wanna talk about.

Moss hasnt won any T.O has won an NFC champion ship and 4....... thats the number of state championships won at Garland so don' talk crap unless you are the Lufkins SLC Katys Permians Euless Trinities of the world i.e. If you wanna talk crap about garland thats fine but at least make it reasonable for.

[GTown02]

Am I dreaming or do I remember a thread from last year -- maybe it was between North and South G. in which South was accused of being pretty classless? Not trying to stir the pot - but I do know all Garland, South and North games are very heated.

Of course, if it gets excessive the refs are supposed to step in and clamp down.
As I remember every year there is some threads about classy teams, and Garland is one of the first teams mentioned every year...

You cant judge Garland High Football on one game, especially not the South Garland game.... Like other Garland fans have posted, we hate them with a passion, and they hate us as well... every year there is jawing back and forth between our two teams on the field, and everywhere and Im sorry to say that wont change in the near future... please do not call our team classless, because we are the exact opposite...

[garlandowl08]

As a loyal owl fan, I felt the need to reply, but my comrades have pretty much said everything for me. We had lost to south 2 years running, after a 10 year win streak, so the victory was extra special for us, especially seniors. To go out and only blame one team, is simply irresponsible. The colonels talk trash as much or more than teh owls and there arent arguments on the field without one player from each team arguing. I cannot speak any further for the owl players, but owl fans certainly are more respectful than souths...the only signs I ever see in the stands are pro garland. Two weeks in a row now, one or more fans from teh opposing teams ahve had a "dante needs a tutor" sign because our star running back failed a class. How is that for disprespectful?

I am a little angry at BigArab also because he did not even see the game but decided to throw in his two cents based solely off of the account of what i would consider a biased spectator.

[Roughrider]

Rough talk about your team then lets hear it. Last year it was south garland now its sachse so pick whichever one you wanna talk about.

Moss hasnt won any T.O has won an NFC champion ship and 4....... thats the number of state championships won at Garland so don' talk crap unless you are the Lufkins SLC Katys Permians Euless Trinities of the world i.e. If you wanna talk crap about garland thats fine but at least make it reasonable for.

I did not start this thread nor did I say or compare "my" team in regards to classy or classless play on or off the field. I just made comments in reference to you using idiots like Moss and Owens..... Sell outs that put the "I" in team and just because they have talent we should forgive them.. Pleaseeeee, you look the other way, I will not. That speaks volumes to what's wrong with society today.... Unfortunately there are a few cases where athletic undisciplined teams win it all but by and far the majority are disciplined hard working "teams"...

[BigArab]

As a loyal owl fan, I felt the need to reply, but my comrades have pretty much said everything for me. We had lost to south 2 years running, after a 10 year win streak, so the victory was extra special for us, especially seniors. To go out and only blame one team, is simply irresponsible. The colonels talk trash as much or more than teh owls and there arent arguments on the field without one player from each team arguing. I cannot speak any further for the owl players, but owl fans certainly are more respectful than souths...the only signs I ever see in the stands are pro garland. Two weeks in a row now, one or more fans from teh opposing teams ahve had a "dante needs a tutor" sign because our star running back failed a class. How is that for disprespectful?

I am a little angry at BigArab also because he did not even see the game but decided to throw in his two cents based solely off of the account of what i would consider a biased spectator.

Don't be angry at me. I said "I hate when that happens." Did I ever say Garland did it?

[Roughrider]

Rough talk about your team then lets hear it. Last year it was south garland now its sachse so pick whichever one you wanna talk about.

Moss hasnt won any T.O has won an NFC champion ship and 4....... thats the number of state championships won at Garland so don' talk crap unless you are the Lufkins SLC Katys Permians Euless Trinities of the world i.e. If you wanna talk crap about garland thats fine but at least make it reasonable for.

Young pup, if you have been following closely you would know that I am s'Tang due to family loyalty.

[myround0]

See what I mean...someone has spoken the truth about Garland, and instead of Garland doing an out of body experience and taking a hard look at themselves, they go on the defense...I first heard about Garland last year...look if what this guy is saying is truth then you should admit it and clean up your act, if not the UIL should clean it up for you and ban you for five years, or make you play every game for five years on the road...you can taunt during the game, but how you act after the game is over, do you shake hands are do you look for a fight, warming up on the other teams half of the field is terrible, where were the refs...Mr. Athletic Director, if your program is trash clean it up or the UIL will clean it up for you...cross town rival or not there is away you behave, do what you do during the game to get hyded I have no problem with that many players get geeked up off of taking down another players moral, but when the game is over we leave it on the field and we shake hands like two combat warriors...

[Tiger Dude]

Regardless of the schools mentioned, I think the basic point that needs to be made is that our coaches have a responsibility to teach our young people how to play with sportsmanship and class. At the end of the day, all you have is your reputation.

I believe the old Miami college teams were some of the first to really get this type of behavior into the main stream. Remember fights in the tunnel, the camo pants, the prison gang personna?

I would settle to have a kid playing for a program where he learns respect, discipline, honor, sportsmanship and having a mediocre season than to trade that for a trash talking gangster wannabe team that had tremendous success on the field.

Which description applies to your team? I ask that rhetorically. No need to answer. Hopefully, your team is doing it right AND winning a lot! :)

Call me crazy, but I think this stuff is important.

Very few of these kids will become pro athletes (where this type behavior is apparently acceptable). The vast majority will need life skills like earlier said respect, honor, class, etc.,.



On the Garland thing, I've never seen them play. No comment on rivalries or any of that. (bad behavior is apparently acceptable if the other team is your rival and everyone HATES each other... learn something new every day it seems.)

It sounds like the guy that started this post had never seen them play either until last night. What he saw, he reported. No need to skewer the guy for reporting an honest opinion in a race where he has no horse.

Just my two cents. I am prepared to be skewered as well.

:cool:

[GTown02]

See what I mean...someone has spoken the truth about Garland, and instead of Garland doing an out of body experience and taking a hard look at themselves, they go on the defense... Please tell us Garland fans what were doing wrong... i guess we cant do anything right...

We are playing our BIG rival... emotions get the best of the players and taunting/jawing ensues... no more or less than a lot of team in the state...

[lonny23]

I know absolutely nothing about Garland, this was the first Garland game I have ever attended. This was the impression I had of the game. I dont think I cant put enough emphasis on this. That was the worst display of sportsmanship by a team I have ever seen. A lot of hype was built up for the South Garland vs. Garland game so I decided this would be a can't miss game. Instead of watching two great teams full of talent battle it out, I saw the difference in how two coaches handle their players. The behavior of the Garland team was so overwhelmingly adrupt, that it turned the game into a circus fiasco. Before the game even started Garland was on South's part of the warmup field taunting and talking trash. Is this Texas football? Is this what the game has turned into? The South Garland team was playing their hearts out but was overshadowed because on the other side of the ball you had a team that portrayed a bunch of THUGS, not to say they aren't good kids. Parents, coaches, and the whole GISD staff should be ashamed of themselves. Garland coaches, why don't you go watch a Southlake Carroll, an Austin Westlake, a Midland Lee team and see the difference in how a team is coached and how the players behave. I guarentee those coaches are teaching their kids what it means to have discipline, character, integrity, sportsmanship. I saw a Garland team that was out of control, no sportsmanship, taunting, trash talking, dancing around the field during the game like they were in a night club. Is this how the game is supposed to be played? Is this what Texas football is about? What are you teaching these kids about life? I played football in the SEC, and everytime we suited up against a LSU or Alabama you could count on it being a battle to the very end. The competition was extremely high, the intensity that both teams had was high, but what was also great was the respect that we had for each other. It was two teams going head to head and leaving it all on the field and after the game having such a respect for each other we were able to celebrate the game together. Win or loss, there was celebration because of respect. Life is bigger than the game and if our coaches aren't teaching our kids about life then they are loosing. This type of behavior is not even tolerated at the next level. College coaches dont allow this conduct AT ALL! So what makes it ok at the high school level? Garland coaches you shoudl really be ashamed of yourselves and the message that you are portraying to the fans and even worse to the youngsters watching. Parents what values and morals are your son's coaching instilling into them? What I saw was the worst display of character on the part of the Garland coaching staff. Parents you should be ashamed that a coach would allow your kids to act like that. Football is a game that teaches us a lot about life. What is your son's coach teaching your kids?
I wasn't at the game, but your other statements don't have credibility. Since when does Midland Lee have class? :confused: I remember watching Deion hot dog it in college. They let you celebrate there, too.

[Roughrider]

I wasn't at the game, but your other statements don't have credibility. Since when does Midland Lee have class? :confused: I remember watching Deion hot dog it in college. They let you celebrate there, too.

There is a difference in celebration and taunting and other various forms of showing up your opponents. I do agree though, what is seen on T.V. too often is repeated by the younger generations as accepted actions. Does not make it right. Same thing can be said for many things that our youth associate as the "norm" such as video games which depict you as a gun packing car thief who shoots at police or a gangsta rapper protraying the gang life as glorious... you know things like drive by's, pimping, cop killing-- all the stuff that our youth see on screen... If others are doing it, must be okay? :rolleyes:
Your statement doesn't have crdeibility :rolleyes:

[garlandowl08]

What I don't understand are the critics of garland. If people started calling your school out, would you not fire back, i mean, honestly...plues its not like we sasy we are perfect we defend ourselves, but when it comes down to it, we admit we have discipline problems. That may be our biggest weakness. We are winning games when they count (district), but our attitude could use a check. I'm not trying to say the behavior was acceptable, but it wasn't anywhere near as out of line as people are making it out to be. There have been ad will continue to be worse acts of unsportsmanlike conduct. I hope we work on it, but theres not much i personally can do, so don't complain to me.

[lonny23]

There is a difference in celebration and taunting and other various forms of showing up your opponents. I do agree though, what is seen on T.V. too often is repeated by the younger generations as accepted actions. Does not make it right. Same thing can be said for many things that our youth associate as the "norm" such as video games which depict you as a gun packing car thief who shoots at police or a gangsta rapper protraying the gang life as glorious... you know things like drive by's, pimping, cop killing-- all the stuff that our youth see on screen... If others are doing it, must be okay? :rolleyes:
Your statement doesn't have crdeibility :rolleyes:
At no point did I say I condoned the actions of the team, but it is true that people get away with that stuff in college. That's credibility! :D

[db32tx]

My comments are strictly from what I observed as a fan watching two very good football teams battle. This has to do with what occured on the field between two teams. 1st of all I said "portrayed a bunch of THUGS, not to say they aren't good kids." Portray to be a THUG and actually being one is two different things. I believe there are great kids on the Garland team who have moms and pops who are very proud of them.

If the Owl supporters and parents truly believe that the behavior of the players before and during the contest are what they want to happen then go ahead and defend that behavior that is being allowed and apparantly encouraged by the coaches. This is high school football not the NFL. I watched the best HS team in the country last week in Southlake Carroll and saw nothing but 1st class sportsmanship and respect for their opponents. I have seen the same from Katy, Converse Judson and Westlake. Gordon Wood who had at least 7 state championship teams never, ever would have tolerated that type of behavior. I'm sure back when Garland won 3 of their 4 championships in the 50's and 60's that their players played with class and dignity and respect for the game and their opponent.

One comment by a poster was that there is hatred between the two teams! Hatred? Is this what Garland ISD wants to support and encourage? I did not see that same behavior from the South Garland team. Apparantly they must not allow or encourage the poor sportsmanship. I saw their coaches ripping into the kid who got the late hit. I never saw them taunting before the game and apparantly they must be a good ball team if the game went down to the wire. From reading some posts I noticed that they have won this game the last two years. Did their players act like that during the game or before it this year or the last two? I don't know, you will have to tell me. I do know what I saw the other night. Like I said before, as a former college football player in the SEC(the best conference in the country) I never saw that type of behavior from LSU, Bama, Florida, etc>

I don't think you have to have that mentality to win. It is disgraceful to the game. I guess even some high school supporters have a win at all cost attitude. As long as you win anything is acceptable. As one poster put it " But, guess what? I still love them, still support them and will always back them" I guess its OK as long as they win right? What if they were losing? The players behavior would be one of the excuses you would use as supporters to fire the coach.

I can't believe the responses.

"Good sportsmanship is the foundation of amateur sports and extra effort must be exerted by all stakeholders in the game to avoid any erosion in this regard,"
"The committee feels a sense of urgency about this as it witnessed an increase in the occurrence of taunting and excessive celebration penalties, and personal fouls. It looks forward to working with officials at all levels of the game - from youth organizations and high schools through professional leagues - to develop the necessary measures that will restore a level of decency and respect the sport of football deserves."

Max Urick, chair NCAA Football Rules Committee

What Is Good Sportsmanship?
Good sportsmanship occurs when teammates, opponents, coaches, and officials treat each other with respect. Kids learn the basics of sportsmanship from the adults in their lives, especially their parents and their coaches. Kids who see adults behaving in a sportsmanlike way gradually come to understand that the real winners in sports are those who know how to persevere and to behave with dignity - whether they win or lose a game.


The game of football does deserve better! Quit justifying that behavior. Is "win at all cost" what you want tommorrow's leaders to learn?

[GTown02]

One comment by a poster was that there is hatred between the two teams! Hatred? Is this what Garland ISD wants to support and encourage? I was the one who said this... I probably used the wrong word there, my apologies... these teams have the same kind of "hatred" that UT fans have for OU on gameday... UT fans and OU fans have mutual respect for one another until they play on saturday... same thing for Garland... We have mutual respect for Garland and SG every day of the year until that friday (or thursday :)) when our two teams step out onto the field...

The problem with your original post is that your judging our football program after watching only one game, against our biggest rival. Players from both sides jaw back and forth during the game every year, its just what happens during the game... I dont know why this game brings the worst out of us so to speak, it just does...Garland has a classy football program and fans, and most people who have seen Garland play would usualy say the same thing.

[owldog]

I have been an Owl Fan for along time and as much as I hate to say this I have to agree that "class" is not something you would describe the current football team with. WAY and I mean WAY too much partying going on, on Friday nights and Saturday nights with TOO much alcohol being drank by under age football players and to many people looking the other way. Has past Owl teams had players drink on Fri and Sat night yes but never such a high % and never with so many coaches looking the other way. I mean Donte had a lingerie party (not rumor FACT) with lots of young women and alcohol. That type of behavior will not help you get into college these days or even pass your classes. The days of kids going to college with talent and no ability to pass classes are over for the most part.

I talked about lack of class in another post with football players taking up 4 spaces with one vehicle. That is not respectful, that is thinking you are to cool to follow the rules and you do not care about other people. It has nothing to do with being late as another poster advised.

What does this have to do with class EVERYTHING, like Coach Martin used to say if you cannot handle yourself off the field how can I expect you to handle yourself on the field.

GARLAND does NOT have a large % of African American students. The football team ethnic make up does not match the schools population. Check the public records for GISD

On the other hand a few player with bad behaviors does not make the whole football team without class.

I was at the Rowlette vs Sachse game last night on the Rowlette side. When the Sachse player was hurt and down for so long and they had to bring in an ambulance there were Rowlette students sitting behind us saying "Yeah he is down and cheering" Several adults talked to them about how horrible that was making fun and cheering when a player gets hurt. Does that mean I think there are a lot of disrespectful kids at Rowlette no only those 5 or 6 in the back row.

I think we will see these two teams meet for the District Title and as much as I love the Owls if class and self control is what wins football games then Rowlette will win the big one. Their game against Sachse was huge and there was no taunting or dancing and only 1 unsportsmanlike like call all night.

[Garland02]

I have been attending the Garland games since about 97. I will agree about the dancing......I think its rediculous, and the coach should have put a stop to it long ago. It cost the team 15 yards Thursday night.

And I did not arrive at the game until after the pre-game warm ups Thursday night.

That being said, the rest of what you say is BS!. I have attended lots of HS football games in that time period of other schools, and they are very much the same. I have seen SLC players try to intimidate players on the field by getting in their face after hits, I have seen the Katy coach not even bring his players out of the locker room until Garland was lined up on the field for the kickoff in the 99 championship game. (which was Garland's last championship, not back in the 50s and 60s, if you are going to run your mouth, please get your facts straight) I have seen smack talk on the field from the east texas teams we face in the playoffs, the Mesquite teams that were our rivals for so many years in district, the Plano teams we usually end up playing in non-disctrict or playoffs.... What you describe is certianly not unique to Garland High School.

I noticed you didnt mention the SG kid called for unsportsmanlike conduct in the 4rth quarter, during a drive that might have tied the game, I didnt see any coaches running out to quiet him as he yelled at the officials....check the game tape, it will be on GRS TV all next week.

Garland has played many of the best teams in the state since I have been watching them, and I have never seen any other fans come on here and accuse them of being unsportsmanlike, and recite the sportsmanship of such fine schools as LSU (and their fans attacking the Tennessee busses a couple weeks ago, need me to supply a link?)

How many Texas HS football games have you actually been to? I bet you have never seen a DISD rivalry game like Lincoln and Jefferson.... You think the Garland kids dance alot? Head downtown on a Friday night once....they will show you how to dance. Maybe you didn't grow up playing around kids like these, so there must be something wrong with their coaches, parents, and fans?

Times change, and just because these kids act differently than you or I might have "back in the day", doesn't mean they are evil or unsportsmanlike.

Here you go, this is how the Euless Trinity kids dance to get fired up.....


the haka (http://win81il.audiovideoweb.com/il81win15069/thehaka.wmv)

[Tiger Dude]

The problem with your original post is that your judging our football program after watching only one game, against our biggest rival.

I'd be confident in saying that leopards don't change their spots. If a team, any team, plays with such an "attitude" (wasn't that a nice sugary PC-term?) in one game, I'm betting they play like that all the time.

[Garland02]

I'd be confident in saying that leopards don't change their spots. If a team, any team, plays with such an "attitude" (wasn't that a nice sugary PC-term?) in one game, I'm betting they play like that all the time.

Well, we aren't talking about leopards.....or tigers.
Have you been to a Garland game? Or are you just piling on....without any first hand knowledge?

[Tiger Dude]

The denial and justifications in this thread are mind-boggling. Didn't your parents teach you something akin to "if everyone else robbed a bank, you should too?" type of thing?

If you say, "It's a sign of the times..." Well, I call a 15 yard penalty for flagrant BS. That is just not an excuse.

I'd venture to guess that if coaches are "looking the other way", then those coaches have just lost control of the situation. Winning above everything else is not where I want anyone I love to play football. Coaches that have lost control are safe if the team is winning. Too much politics behind the scenes (and that goes back for many decades).

Football is a game that teaches a lot of lessons. It's a violent enough sport as it is. No need to introduce all the crap mentioned here to the mix.

Here's a question to ask yourselves... if you have kids one day, do you want them playing for such a program? (again, I'm not attacking Garland, hell, all I know about Garland is that they are in teh DFW area.... that's right, right?) I'm attacking any program that is described in this thread. If the shoe fits, wear it.

But, don't sit here and tell all of us that it's okay because everyone else is doing it. Such crap apparently knows no limits.

[Tiger Dude]

Well, we aren't talking about leopards.....or tigers.
Have you been to a Garland game? Or are you just piling on....without any first hand knowledge?


Not piling on at all. I've seen this stupid behavior on Pee Wee football teams! I criticize them all! I saw the same crap out of Eisenhower (minus the dancing I guess) in our first game this year. Cheap shots, trash talk, just plain crap. The next week, I saw Westlake kick our butts all up and down the field in the first half. But, I didn't see any of the trash.

If your program is guilty of the stuff talked about, then shame on the coaches, parents and fans. If you tell me that Garland is not like this at all, I'd have to try and believe you based on me never seeing the team ever. But, I find it odd that even most Garland fans have not argued with the assertion that this stuff happened.... just a lot of justifications and denial, (and one rare acknowledgement that it is a problem that needs attention from one obviously rare Garland fan!)

Just my two cents. you either approve of this type of play or you don't. I don't think there is any middle ground. And, I'd say, it's been spreading like a bad virus for several years now.

[Black&Gold06]

I dont really see what is wrong with most of the things Owl players do...many of you all interpret this the wrong way. They are not taunting...they are expressing themselves in their own way...when they are dancing and such they arent doing it in the face of the other team anymore than any other team would. They are merely happy they made a play and letting some energy out.

Everyone loves to hate Garland because Garland is good. Nobody would care if Naaman or Lakeview or Molina or any other school which usually does not have a winning team did this because its a losing team; however, for some reason people love to hate Garland. You always look for every little mistake that we make - whether its underperforming or not beating a team by enough points when we have a size advantage or etc. When we do beat a team it is expected, yet some of you give credit to your team whenever you beat anybody.

Yes, we get more than the average number of personal foul calls - but that is not representative of the entire team - most of those actually come from a specific player. Maybe we are not the classiest team ever, but most of the time we are merely showing emotion...I'm sorry if our players do it in ways other than high-fiving and more traditional methods that date back 50 years.

GISD has little control over the actions of each individual player - maybe its just different than what you are used to seeing.

Roughie - sorry if SG has a sophomore QB...we used a sophomore and junior QB all night long and we won...and i'm sorry if our offense is not complicated enough - but then maybe SG should have been able to defend it if all we do is hand the ball off and throw to the TE. If its so simple how have we played the way we have...DeSoto and Carter were very close games...I would love to see Sachse play Carter, Desoto, Ennis, and even Plano East.

Find somebody else to pick on - maybe Garland is only showing its frustration because of people who constantly nag them.

[GarlandOwl06]

Not piling on at all. I've seen this stupid behavior on Pee Wee football teams! I criticize them all! I saw the same crap out of Eisenhower (minus the dancing I guess) in our first game this year. Cheap shots, trash talk, just plain crap. The next week, I saw Westlake kick our butts all up and down the field in the first half. But, I didn't see any of the trash.

If your program is guilty of the stuff talked about, then shame on the coaches, parents and fans. If you tell me that Garland is not like this at all, I'd have to try and believe you based on me never seeing the team ever. But, I find it odd that even most Garland fans have not argued with the assertion that this stuff happened.... just a lot of justifications and denial, (and one rare acknowledgement that it is a problem that needs attention from one obviously rare Garland fan!)

Just my two cents. you either approve of this type of play or you don't. I don't think there is any middle ground. And, I'd say, it's been spreading like a bad virus for several years now.

OK well I hate to tell you but your 2 cents arent wanted. This thread is not about denial, it is about a GREAT football program (4 state championships) being wrongfully accused by some guy who obviously thinks hes real cool for playing football in the SEC considering he has mentioned that in every post (the classiest confrence in the nation, where at LSU games the 8 year olds drink out of a funnel). Hes coming on here and bashing our program and then other people who have never seen us play are trying to dog pile on it such as Tiger Dude. No Garland fan will stand for it and I'm soooo sick of everyone saying that we can dish it out but we cant take it, thats not true at all. When we play good we talk about it and if we play bad we discuss it and admit to it. People on here cannot get on this website and bash a program they literally no nothing about. I am not denying all of this but I, as any other Garland fan would tell you, will not stand up to you saying that we are a classless program, because that is just not the truth.

[pack0808]

Garland is good but their greatest accomplishment since the 1999 championship season was beating Lufkin in the 1st round in 2003 even though they lost soon after that. Just read Garland fans post and you will see them mention that win every 3 or 4 post. ;) Seriously though, I used to love the Houston Oilers and Glanville back in the days and the house of pain and how they talked smack and showed no mercy. I was a dumb teenager!! Now i have matured and realize a lot of that stuff is annoying and looks disrespectful. Then again i understand some of it and it is part of competition. It has been going on forever. Nobody was meaner and more crude and rude on the field then players like Dick Butkus that played years and years ago. This is nothing new!! Let's not act like this is just a hip hop generation thing because that is false!! Watch some of the replays of the old Black and Blue division on espn sometimes. Those guys were cruel!!

[GTown02]

Garland is good but their greatest accomplishment since the 1999 championship season was beating Lufkin in the 1st round in 2003 even though they lost soon after that. Just read Garland fans post and you will see them mention that win every 3 or 4 post.;) A little exageration there pack ;)

[Humblefied]

I don't exactly follow up on Garland and their games, but I know that coaches do have the overall say in what a player does on that football field. Maybe one or two plays might squeak bye without notice, but it is the coaches job to jump on the players who do talk trash and problem play dirty. I'm not saying Garland is doing that, but I know Humble has an enormous amount of black players (probaly not as many as Garland) and looking at all the crime that happened last year at our school, I think it is safe to say that we should be undisciplined. Yet what I love the most about our coaches is that it only takes one and they are punished. There are no second chances just like in life (except for religion). From day one when they become freshman and walk through those doors and call themselves Humble football players, our coaches breakdown their every step of wrong and right. As freshman we are good solely on our discipline. If you go to a freshman practice during two a days I guarantee it would be no surprise to me to see them do sprints and up-downs for the entire football practice just because they cant line up straight. It all starts there. If you break someone down early then it isn't as hard to do it when they become seniors. My friends, I did not accuse Garland of anything, I am only saying how a good, disciplined team should act and perhaps why are they aren't.

[pack0808]

A little exageration there pack ;)


How am i exagerating?? How deep has Garland gone in the playoffs since their 1999 championship run?? That was easily their biggest accomplishment since 1999 without a doubt!! I respect Garland and know they are a very tough team that is capable of beating anybody but that is the truth and you know it. OH, maybe you were saying i was exagerating about the post. Ok you are correct!! ;)

[pack0808]

I don't exactly follow up on Garland and their games, but I know that coaches do have the overall say in what a player does on that football field. Maybe one or two plays might squeak bye without notice, but it is the coaches job to jump on the players who do talk trash and problem play dirty. I'm not saying Garland is doing that, but I know Humble has an enormous amount of black players (probaly not as many as Garland) and looking at all the crime that happened last year at our school, I think it is safe to say that we should be undisciplined. Yet what I love the most about our coaches is that it only takes one and they are punished. There are no second chances just like in life (except for religion). From day one when they become freshman and walk through those doors and call themselves Humble football players, our coaches breakdown their every step of wrong and right. As freshman we are good solely on our discipline. If you go to a freshman practice during two a days I guarantee it would be no surprise to me to see them do sprints and up-downs for the entire football practice just because they cant line up straight. It all starts there. If you break someone down early then it isn't as hard to do it when they become seniors. My friends, I did not accuse Garland of anything, I am only saying how a good, disciplined team should act and perhaps why are they aren't.


What?? If there were no second chances in life we would all be screwed!! People get 2nd chances in the real world all of the time not just religion.

[Humblefied]

OK ok, ppl do get second chances, but not without penalty. From the looks of things it doesnt seem there is much penalty going on from Garland football coaches.

Which makes me think. Where were the refs in all this? I went to a Humble and The Woodlands game that got hyped up and it wasnt as bad as you claim this to be. After a while the refs began just throwing flags just for touching someone after the play. Penalties went like crazy, but it did control the game. So the refs can be thrown into this as well.

[Tiger Dude]

OK well I hate to tell you but your 2 cents arent wanted.

Probably not wanted because they strike a bit too close to the truth perhaps?

I know absolutely nothing about Garland football. Always open to learning more for sure. But I have to tell you the manner in which you guys defend yourselves (for the most part), lends credibility to the original post. Denial and rationalizations.

This post, to me, isn't so much about Garland football. It's about a style of trash talking, thug ball that seems to permeate ALL levels of this sport. The VAST majority of my comments are about the overall effect it is having on football. This thread just hit one of my hot buttons.

I'm just calling it as I see it. This style of football sucks. If your team is guilty of this and you are right there in the middle of it, loving it, you're just as guilty.

Before you guys stroke out, I'll do my best to stay out of this thread from here on out. Shussh! The Emperor seems to have no clothes. :eek: Your guys are so funny. :)

Good thread, good topic.

[GTown02]

How am i exagerating?? How deep has Garland gone in the playoffs since their 1999 championship run?? That was easily their biggest accomplishment since 1999 without a doubt!! I respect Garland and know they are a very tough team that is capable of beating anybody but that is the truth and you know it. OH, maybe you were saying i was exagerating about the post. Ok you are correct!! ;)
I wasnt disputing the fact that it was the biggest accomplishment since 99' im sad to say your completely right on that part :D. I was saying the part about Garland fans talking about that win every 3 or 4 posts is an exageration ;).

[pack0808]

I wasnt disputing the fact that it was the biggest accomplishment since 99' im sad to say your completely right on that part :D. I was saying the part about Garland fans talking about that win every 3 or 4 posts is an exageration ;).


OK OK!! Every 7 to 8 post's!! ;)

[GTown02]

OK OK!! Every 7 to 8 post's!! ;)
That sounds more like it :D

It took me a long time to scroll down that second page... some long written posts! :eek:

[owlfan 1]

[QUOTE=Tiger Dude] But I have to tell you the manner in which you guys defend yourselves (for the most part), lends credibility to the original post. Denial and rationalizations.

Garland had some stupid penalties. No one is denying that. They do a lot of trash talking. No one is denying that, either. But to single them out, as the originator of this post did, to hold them up as the "poster child" of boorish behavior, is completely unfair. Garland has great coaches who care deeply for the kids, who work hard to make sure they have every chance to be successful in life. Garland is not a "thug" team, their coaches have not lost control, and their fans are not black and gold blinded fools.

When someone comes on to a public forum and calls out an entire program, would you not expect the fans of that program to "defend" it? I certainly disagree that the fans defense of the Owls give credibility to the original post. Rather, I think it speaks to the passion and loyalty Owl fans have to their program. I, like most of the other longtime Garland posters on this site, attend many games throughout the year, and I have seen the same level (and often worse) level of taunting and trash talking everywhere, including the ones originally held up in this thread as the paragons of virtue in the HS football world. Like it or not, these things are a part of the way football is played.

If you make an inflamatory post about GHS football, expect GHS fans to respond and defend their team. I would think that Longview fans, Lufkin fans, Carroll fans, or whoever else would do the same.

[owlfan 1]

As one poster put it " But, guess what? I still love them, still support them and will always back them" I guess its OK as long as they win right? What if they were losing? The players behavior would be one of the excuses you would use as supporters to fire the coach.


Should I cease to support them because I dislike some of their behavior? Should I get on a public message board and trash them because the actions of one or two of them dissapointed me? No, I think I will stay in their corner. You have no idea what the coaches do or don't do; you are basing your entire opinion on one game - a game with our most heated rival, and a game in which, I assure you, as much talk and trash was coming from the SG side as was the Garland side (I was there, too, my friend).

If you want to say that you pine for the days of chivarly and sportsmanship (as you define it), that's fine. I may even lift a glass and toast those days with you. But to single out a program and hold it up as the flag bearer of bad behavior is, at best, unfair. I find it hard to believe, however, that you are suprised that passionate fans will defend their program against malicious attacks.

[Roughrider]

Roughie - sorry if SG has a sophomore QB...we used a sophomore and junior QB all night long and we won...and i'm sorry if our offense is not complicated enough - but then maybe SG should have been able to defend it if all we do is hand the ball off and throw to the TE. If its so simple how have we played the way we have...DeSoto and Carter were very close games...I would love to see Sachse play Carter, Desoto, Ennis, and even Plano East.

Hey, you like the typical Owl "athletic supporter" you are, were giving some type of justification to why you didn't beat SG worse?? I was simply giving you the other side. I agree, if SG would have stopped the trap, they would have WON..
What, DeSoto and Carter were very close??? Can't the SG fans say the same thing about the Garland game??? Close? Yeah, I can hear the cheering in the stands,,, We were close, we were close.... Yeah go team...
Jeez, typical Owl :cool:

[grayowl60]

I see a lot of high school football, and I cant believe some of the garbage that is on this thread. I have a few questions for the Garland bashers:
1. Why are the refs on the field? If the actions of a team was that bad, would it not be paid for in penalties? hmmmmm
2. Give some example of conistant bad sportmanship by the Owls. If excitement and enthusiasm is wrong, lets see a LOT more flags!

South fans, get over it! How many times have you been to the big dance?
It seems that Lufkin people have to get into these threads about Garland. Question for the "panthers": What is your record against Garland in the last ten years? How many state championships do you have in the last ten years? Mind your own topics!
I see the Garland players getting excited,and congratulating each other after big plays, etc. so? Yes there was intensity in the South game, always will be. So? Tell me there is not trash when Lufkin plays Longview? BS! Taunting is one thing, and should be called, but hmmmmm, contrary to the "stuff" on this thread Garland gets very few calls for that.

[myround0]

The shooting last night in Richardson that killed a senior at Sachse High School, was this really related to the Berkner Lake Highland game or is that just a nasty rumor. The newspaper said the shooting in Duncanville was football related also

Out of the Dallas Morning News

"The fight was at least the third of the night Friday after a North Texas high school football game, including another one in Richardson and one in Duncanville. Nine other young people were shot in the three fights, but Jason's was the only death."

Does anybody see a HUGE problem that this is going on because of fans fighting over football games. Were any if the students football players?

Oh my goodness what are we going to do with our youth??

This is the next thing in the Garland atomsphere that is Friday night football...it has to stop...nothing wrong with talking junk and supporting your team but hwne the game is over it is over and we shake hands and move on tot he next game or season...The UIL HAS TO STEP IN AND TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS...

[myround0]

Unlike the pros you can't even blame this on drinking...fans have become hooligans and it is the fans who should be forced to comply, just like in the professional ranks...FANS NEED TO BE REIGNED IN AN NOT ALLOWED TO RUN A MUCK...

[myround0]

I vote the UIL put these FOUR teams on the road for the NEXT TWO SEASONS. NO home game and no home comings queens either...the next punishment would be two years off...Fighting is one thing, i cans tomach a fight, but, nines fights, gun battles and death is another...it is time to stop this before it manifest itself to every high school campus across the nation...you put the four mentioned teams on the road for two years, that would send a message and if these two teams are district foes, they play at a neutral site 200 miles from home, the team that can't make it forfiets and the other team wins...

[Garland02]

I vote the UIL put these FOUR teams on the road for the NEXT TWO SEASONS. NO home game and no home comings queens either...the next punishment would be two years off...Fighting is one thing, i cans tomach a fight, but, nines fights, gun battles and death is another...it is time to stop this before it manifest itself to every high school campus across the nation...you put the four mentioned teams on the road for two years, that would send a message and if these two teams are district foes, they play at a neutral site 200 miles from home, the team that can't make it forfiets and the other team wins...

I don't disagree with your motives, no one should. I do question if you were actually at this game, I still have a hard time believing this thread was even started.

I suggest that anyone that did not see this game, watch the replays when it airs next week on GRS TV before you post that anything outragous happened.

I had not heard of the shooting until this morning. It sounds like the young man from Sachse was at the Sonic near Richardson square mall(right next to Berkner, and had nothing to do with whatever was going on between Berkner and Lake Highlands kids, but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Richardson is only a few miles from Sachse....

[rich_pack]

This topic just keeps going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......................... :D

[GTown02]

Question for the "panthers": What is your record against Garland in the last ten years? How many state championships do you have in the last ten years? Mind your own topics! Lets not start bashing Lufkin... I KNOW they have more accomplishments this century than Garland... they have just as many state championships the past 10 years as us... so its a moot point, but at least they have gotten out of the first round more than once since 2000.... Lufkin supporters have every right to post in this topic as you or I do...

[Tiger Dude]

This is actually a quite relavent topic these days. I agree that it is wrong to single out one program as the "poster child" of the problem. There are a lot of programs that need to do a little self-examination. This is not a exclusive Garland problem, this is a football problem. The topic happened to come up because of what one fan saw at one game.

Peace to all of you.

[sgfootball06]

i go to south and play football on the varsity team
I can understand trash talking and trying to scare your opponent but when you go out on the field and try to hurt someone purposly its just out of contol

[garlandowl08]

I didn't realize there were intentions of injuring people, are you sure this is true? Given, i wasn't watching the game for every second and the view from the student section isn't the best, but still...

[GarlandOwl06]

I love how on the highlights of this game on insidehighschoolfootball.com how the south garland player goes up to the camera and puts three fingers up and says this is gonna be three in a row...... o but i forgot south never talked trash

[Roughrider]

I love how on the highlights of this game on insidehighschoolfootball.com how the south garland player goes up to the camera and puts three fingers up and says this is gonna be three in a row...... o but i forgot south never talked trash


See, there is the problem, you don't seem to know what trash talk is.. I would not consider trash talk a player saying hey, we are going to win??? Doesn't matter whether it is a GHS or SG player... I don't think an official would throw a flag on a kid jumping up and saying we are going to win...

[GarlandOwl06]

I have been an Owl Fan for along time and as much as I hate to say this I have to agree that "class" is not something you would describe the current football team with. WAY and I mean WAY too much partying going on, on Friday nights and Saturday nights with TOO much alcohol being drank by under age football players and to many people looking the other way. Has past Owl teams had players drink on Fri and Sat night yes but never such a high % and never with so many coaches looking the other way. I mean Donte had a lingerie party (not rumor FACT) with lots of young women and alcohol. That type of behavior will not help you get into college these days or even pass your classes. The days of kids going to college with talent and no ability to pass classes are over for the most part.


Owldog i just read this for the first time and never have i been so infuriated in my life. How dare you come on here and single out someone like that and try to talk about what someone does when you do not even know them. Me and dante have been best friends since sixth grade and you want to come on here talkin abot how he has all these parties with naked girls like you would know. I cant believe anyone would come on here and try to say something like that about any one player from any team in the country. You wanna talk about not having class well there you go right there. How pathetic you are to attempt to solo out someone like that and put there name in the dirt and kick it around. I am going to ask katy2000 that you would be punished and hopefully band from posting. This really is just an absolute rediculous thing to do. Who do you think you are to say something about that about someone ,especially on here, that is just a ruthless and wrong thing to do. You are over here talking like you know him but you dont saying that "its not rumor its fact" well you better get your facts straight because no naked party ever occured. It is people like you that cause some threads to turn bad. This message board is to come talk about Texas hs football not to sit here and try to make someone look bad by making up stories about stuff they did on the weekends. I hope I am not the only one that finds this wrong and offensive. Katy i really hope you do something about this or at least say something about this so that it can not happen again.

[owlfan 1]

To mention a kid by name and then throw a bunch of baseless accusations about him in a public forum is inexcusable. I don't care what you think you know - it is never appropriate to call out a minor by name like that.

These are not pro athletes. It may be one thing to speculate about what Terrell Owens does; he is an adult and a professional. But to do that with a kid is shameful. It really does not matter what anyone thinks they know about them. That is just wrong.

This is getting out of hand...

[GoOwls]

I've stayed out of this to this point, but I have a few questions an points.

1. Would the starter of this ridiculous thread please cite specific examples of bad behavior? He has spoken in generalities each time he has posted. I would think that someone who watches games this close would be able to cite specific plays and players. It's easy to do, they have big numbers on their chest and back, with names to boot.

2. Garland has had a "celebration" problem for a while, specifically since Martin left. Is it worse than some schools, yes, is it better than others, yes, the biggest problem is that it always seems to happen when it hurts the team the most. This has to stop and the coach must take control of this team, or 1st and 2nd round losses will stay with this team.

3. I'm on a few other boards and there aren't any threads talking about how horrible Garland's behavior is, in fact, they always talk about how classy the team and fans are, as is usually the case on this board. All we have is an instigator here that has stirred the pot, so to speak, and as we all know, if you stir a cow pattie, all you do is attract flies.

4. This thread is really all about hypocracy. For the last 20 years, I've averaged about 25-30 HS games a year, only about 7 of which are my Owls games. I've seen games in all classes, played from Texas Stadium and the Astrodome, all the way down to a mowed cow pasture with rickety goalposts and cows mooing over the fence all night. Let me guarantee you that those of you who point your finger here should remember that when you point your finger, there are three pointing back at you. If you think your kids are squeaky clean, they're not. They're teenagers and are prone to do the things that teenagers do during their era, it mat not be good or right, but it's the way it is. All we can do as the adults is to try to guide them. I could tell you stories from just about every game I attended about the poor behavior of players and/or students and/or kids and/or fans and/or parents. Believe me, my wife heard them all and she could vouch for it. You finger pointers on this thread should worry about your own house as I guarantee your back yard is not as pretty and clean as it looks out of that big bay window you've placed in front of yourself.

[Black&Gold06]

I think this thread just needs to stop - nobody is saying anything worth saying anymore - it is rude enough to single out one to team to represent all for bad-sportsmanship, but like GarlandOwl06 says - how can you single out an individual from that team to represent 5A Texas Football - or even that team. I would be very surprised if you knew Dante Sloan that well, and whether or not its true - what one does off the football field cannot determine whether they hvae class on the field.

Look at some of the other people on that team and you will find guys like Andrew Kirk, Ryan Parker, Devin McDowell, and Jose Grimaldi. Andrew and Ryan are Vice-Presidents of Student Council and National Honors Society, and Devin and Jose are also really active in the school - but I couldnt say that they represented the team in terms of involvement.

Just stay out of players' personal lives - especially when you dont know them. This is how horrible rumors get started.

[Roughrider]

To mention a kid by name and then throw a bunch of baseless accusations about him in a public forum is inexcusable. I don't care what you think you know - it is never appropriate to call out a minor by name like that.

These are not pro athletes. It may be one thing to speculate about what Terrell Owens does; he is an adult and a professional. But to do that with a kid is shameful. It really does not matter what anyone thinks they know about them. That is just wrong.

This is getting out of hand...


Agree....

This thread needs to end! I will do my part by not opening it again....
Owlfans, I'll catch you on another one. ;)

[gtowndrumma]

not only does all this need to stop, but one thing needs to be said in dontes defense. the party that was mentioned in a previos post never happened. if you want to argue with me about that, then go ahead but you will not win this one. with that said, lets end this thread.

[Stranglehold]

See what I mean...someone has spoken the truth about Garland, and instead of Garland doing an out of body experience and taking a hard look at themselves, they go on the defense...I first heard about Garland last year...look if what this guy is saying is truth then you should admit it and clean up your act, if not the UIL should clean it up for you and ban you for five years, or make you play every game for five years on the road...you can taunt during the game, but how you act after the game is over, do you shake hands are do you look for a fight, warming up on the other teams half of the field is terrible, where were the refs...Mr. Athletic Director, if your program is trash clean it up or the UIL will clean it up for you...cross town rival or not there is away you behave, do what you do during the game to get hyded I have no problem with that many players get geeked up off of taking down another players moral, but when the game is over we leave it on the field and we shake hands like two combat warriors...

Don't want to defend anyone but I was at the game and I saw a very passionate Garland and South Garland team. Did Garland make some mistakes that hurt them...absolutly. But so did South...how about the unsportsmanlike call at the end of the game when South still had a chance to score and tie it. However if you go back and look at some of calls I think you will see it was a very poorly officiated game. Garland gets two unnecessary roughness calls that are totally unwarranted. One on a pass where the kid is in the air and touches the QB after the pass is gone---but he does not tackle him or strike his arm or anything like that. The other was when South was running the option and the linebacker tackles the QB as he was pitching the football. Are you kidding me? South Garland got hosed on some calls as well. Both are well coached teams that play with enthusiasm. I don't believe you can label someone after seeing them play one time. Go ask any HEAD COACH that play Garland and South and I bet they will tell you that both teams play hard but are not cheap.

[GarlandOwl06]

Thanks to those who agree with me.... We are on here to discuss football even if it sounds like we are getting into it with roughrider it is not personal we are just having fun arguing and defending our own opinions so no hard feelings rough...

[dragonsdaddy]

garland, with their open policy causes for some increasingly heavy rivalries, and interpersonal issues. these kids may be neighbors and still play for opposing teams. seems unstable at best, but at least i didn't hear anything about gunplay and dead kids after the game like some of their neighbors.

[garlandowl08]

If you ask me the "neighbors but rivals" system makes the games even better, but thats a different thread...

[Roughrider]

Thanks to those who agree with me.... We are on here to discuss football even if it sounds like we are getting into it with roughrider it is not personal we are just having fun arguing and defending our own opinions so no hard feelings rough...


Ditto

[GoOwls]

That's about what I thought. Someone finally posts a rational post asking the tough questions and nobody want's to criticize us anymore. Funny how the instigators shut up when pressed for for specifics. Typical. :mad:

It certainly is time for this ridiculous piece of trash thread to close. :mad:

[Slim-Rob]

All I have to say on this touchy subject:

Terrell Owens wasn't talking anything after the game in Dallas yesterday. I bet he didn't take his eyes off of that 33-10 on the scoreboard.

Lets not start anymore of these "This team isn't classy, but this one is so everyone else should be like them"

I like classy teams, and Judson is normally a classy team. But every now and then I know emotions can get out of control, especially in a rivalry game. But getting hyped up and jumping around isn't necessarily bad class. If you watch a Judson game, everytime the defense makes a stop, they jump around and go crazy. Words are going to be said, that is just the competitive nature of kids these days.

[garlandowl08]

Ok, lets end this thread...finally