Judson 20 Madison 17

[mad_fan]

Congrats Rockets...
This is what football is...
Great D on both sides...and Judson created and capitalized on turn overs in the second half...
Great game...

[mad_fan]

The best part of the game???
As a radio listener this week...
NO TONY FRANKLIN...:)

[LoneRocket]

The best part of the game???
As a radio listener this week...
NO TONY FRANKLIN...:)

LOL your wrong, he is back home visiting his dad and also to watch his Aggies.

[mad_fan]

What happened to Pitts???
He was running okay...but was gone sometime in the 3rd...:confused:

[mad_fan]

LOL your wrong, he is back home visiting his dad and also to watch his Aggies.

How am I wrong??? I dont care where he was...but he wasnt on the radio...good for all of us...

[dwistheman]

Great defensive struggle.

I think the Mavs got hosed on the roughing the kicker call late in the game. Can they call running into the kicker in high school? Or is it automatically roughing?
Too many Madison turnovers. But those could be credited to Judsons D.

Madison should play deep into the playoffs.

[LoneRocket]

How am I wrong??? I dont care where he was...but he wasnt on the radio...good for all of us...

Ok, he can go overboard and talks about the ref's,lol:D

[mad_fan]

Great defensive struggle.

I think the Mavs got hosed on the roughing the kicker call late in the game. Can they call running into the kicker in high school? Or is it automatically roughing?
Too many Madison turnovers. But those could be credited to Judsons D.

Madison should play deep into the playoffs.

I think they can call it either way...thet saw roughing...
The turn over thing can be fixed...but Judson D did cause atleast two of those...
Madison is going to adjust to a more offensive game that involves time of possession (versus Thomas running the ball)...they might be able to make that change...

[dwistheman]

If running into the kicker is a call that can be made in High School I definately think Madison got the short end of the stick on that one.

[mad_fan]

The best part of the game???
As a radio listener this week...
NO TONY FRANKLIN...:)

Amendment...the Franklin thing is the second best part of the game...

The new best part...Streety didn't paralyze any of his players...

[chainsaw83]

What happened to Pitts???
He was running okay...but was gone sometime in the 3rd...:confused:

i sat next to one of his relatives. they went down and talked to the trainers. Doc said it was bad. Another one bites the dust.

6 fumbles/ 4 lost/ 2 on the goal line to score/ translated into a missed FG.

1 INT

another injured RB and a JOB by the refs killed Madison.

Judson caused 2 or 3 TOs. Madison gift wrapped that victory for Judson. Merry Christmas. See you in 2 years, cuz for whatever reason, we can't beat y'all at Comalander. lol

I don't see Madison going very far with Miles coughing up the ball 4x a week. Oh well.

[mad_fan]

If running into the kicker is a call that can be made in High School I definately think Madison got the short end of the stick on that one.

Done deal on the score board...
Probably not so much on the message board...

[LoneRocket]

i sat next to one of his relatives. they went down and talked to the trainers. Doc said it was a torn ACL. Another one bites the dust.

6 fumbles/ 4 lost/ 2 on the goal line to score/ translated into a missed FG.

1 INT

another injured RB and a JOB by the refs killed Madison.

Judson caused 2 or 3 TOs. Madison gift wrapped that victory for Judson. Merry Christmas. See you in 2 years, cuz for whatever reason, we can't beat y'all at Comalander. lol

I don't see Madison going very far with Miles coughing up the ball 4x a week. Oh well.

You are still going to keep posting? Best wishes on the rest of the season.

[mad_fan]

i sat next to one of his relatives. they went down and talked to the trainers. Doc said it was a torn ACL. Another one bites the dust.

6 fumbles/ 4 lost/ 2 on the goal line to score/ translated into a missed FG.

1 INT

another injured RB and a JOB by the refs killed Madison.

Judson caused 2 or 3 TOs. Madison gift wrapped that victory for Judson. Merry Christmas. See you in 2 years, cuz for whatever reason, we can't beat y'all at Comalander. lol

I don't see Madison going very far with Miles coughing up the ball 4x a week. Oh well.


I'd like to share in your doom and gloom...but I elect not to...
One week of practice without DT...they sounded pretty good to me...

[mad_fan]

You are still going to keep posting? Best wishes on the rest of the season.

Go away...:)

[lonny23]

Congrats Rockets...
This is what football is...
Great D on both sides...and Judson created and capitalized on turn overs in the second half...
Great game...
Thanks. I like offense, but I appreciate great defensive games, too.

[mad_fan]

Go away...:)

...as in...what I tell a gnat...:)

[lonny23]

The best part of the game???
As a radio listener this week...
NO TONY FRANKLIN...:)
Not having to pencil in a Judson loss in odd years anymore!:D

[shooter]

Wow that was a great game. I have seen quite a few Madison v Judson track meets and it was really weird to see a defensive, field position, struggle between these two teams. Madison is in some trouble with the run game. You just can't win in the 265 when you put the ball on the ground that much. As for the running/roughing call you can't let that beat you. if you want to be a great team you have to overcome those types of things. Madison's defense did a great job allowing 1TD and two long FGs, they were flying to the ball. Judson’s defense played well but was in the bend don't break mode for most of the game and played very opportunistic football and it end up to work for them. Good luck to both teams as Judson made the playoffs tonight and Madison needs one more win to make the postseason. Personally I think Madison needs to get creative and look real deep in the lower classes and find a player that wants to be a star. I know you don't want to ruin a young player but Churchill, MacArthur and Roosevelt would be real good learning opportunities for a young running back ready to break out.

[mad_fan]

Amendment...the Franklin thing is the second best part of the game...

The new best part...Streety didn't paralyze any of his players...

Apparently...Streety did disable another RB...:mad:

[TexasRed6x]

This was a great game all around. Madsion will go deep into the payoffs that is a given their defense is outstanding. The loss of Pitts is another tough blow, but my hats off to them it is a shame someone had to lose. I will say as a Judson fan I still do not get what was going on in the last 2 minutes of the game, we again loss good time becaue of clock management, but in the end this time they found away to win. I will also say that to me it looked like running into the kicker but Judson hardly ever gets any breaks. Again Madsion schedule is going to get easier, which gives them time to ticker with life after Thomas so they will be just fine.

[Rocketman81]

Great game Rockets !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Defense was awesome as usual:)

Offense still needs work:(

We need to pass more on 1st and 2nd down.

Quinney got nailed several times on 3rd down.

Everyone knows Judson play selections, its time to mix it up.

[Mantis]

How many yards did Pitts have tonight? If he's out for the year that's sad, but he needed to remain the primary blocking fullback, cause he's a big strong kid, but not very quick. The other fullback is faster and hits the holes better, Madison may be better off in the long run with him getting 10 carries a game and Miles getting about 15. They both need to learn how to hold the ball. Devin only fumbled once all year and that was on a fake punt went SV called punt block and eight guys were on him a split second after he caught the deep snap.

[chainsaw83]

Wow that was a great game. I have seen quite a few Madison v Judson track meets and it was really weird to see a defensive, field position, struggle between these two teams. Madison is in some trouble with the run game. You just can't win in the 265 when you put the ball on the ground that much. As for the running/roughing call you can't let that beat you. if you want to be a great team you have to overcome those types of things. Madison's defense did a great job allowing 1TD and two long FGs, they were flying to the ball. Judson’s defense played well but was in the bend don't break mode for most of the game and played very opportunistic football and it end up to work for them. Good luck to both teams as Judson made the playoffs tonight and Madison needs one more win to make the postseason. Personally I think Madison needs to get creative and look real deep in the lower classes and find a player that wants to be a star. I know you don't want to ruin a young player but Churchill, MacArthur and Roosevelt would be real good learning opportunities for a young running back ready to break out.

just give us someone who WANTS TO hold on to the ball...ugh.

[shooter]

i sat next to one of his relatives. they went down and talked to the trainers. Doc said it was a torn ACL. Another one bites the dust.

6 fumbles/ 4 lost/ 2 on the goal line to score/ translated into a missed FG.

1 INT

another injured RB and a JOB by the refs killed Madison.

Judson caused 2 or 3 TOs. Madison gift wrapped that victory for Judson. Merry Christmas. See you in 2 years, cuz for whatever reason, we can't beat y'all at Comalander. lol

I don't see Madison going very far with Miles coughing up the ball 4x a week. Oh well.

How many threads will have to be locked before you guys figure out that you can't post injury information on a message board. Here is a good rule of thumb. When you know what some kids has or has not post this

"Pitts was helped off the field in the second half and did not return"

we will all read between the lines

[jrock210]

Great game. So Madison fans still complaining about the TO right before the FG? lol jk even if he made it but ya great game. At the end I felt the ground shake below me my voice is so hoarse its crazy

[chainsaw83]

How many threads will have to be locked before you guys figure out that you can't post injury information on a message board. Here is a good rule of thumb. When you know what some kids has or has not post this

"Pitts was helped off the field in the second half and did not return"

we will all read between the lines

and so you re-post it? just wasn't thinkin. relax killer. just PM the next person and ask them to edit it.

[mad_fan]

How many threads will have to be locked before you guys figure out that you can't post injury information on a message board. Here is a good rule of thumb. When you know what some kids has or has not post this

"Pitts was helped off the field in the second half and did not return"

we will all read between the lines

A LOT...since it's always somebody different posting such "information"...

[atwelljroc]

Great game. So Madison fans still complaining about the TO right before the FG? lol jk even if he made it but ya great game. At the end I felt the ground shake below me my voice is so hoarse its crazy

We deserved to win this game...our offense was not great, but they did enough...220+ yards, 99 passing...we need to consider the pass more...Madison has the best Defensive line I have seen...quick and tough...they did not miss one tackle all night...sorry to hear about Eddie Pitts...he is a fine player...one of those that comes from the Judson program...so the rest of the season for Madison should be a prep for the playoffs...great teams learn to over come adversity...Good Luck...

[shooter]

and so you re-post it? just wasn't thinkin. relax killer. just PM the next person and ask them to edit it.


i will do that

[BigB]

Great defensive struggle.

I think the Mavs got hosed on the roughing the kicker call late in the game. Can they call running into the kicker in high school? Or is it automatically roughing?
Too many Madison turnovers. But those could be credited to Judsons D.

Madison should play deep into the playoffs.

They called it right when the kicker is defensless with his leg in the air its call ruffing, when his leg is down it call running in to the kicker....If Madison would have just covered the punt and let their O try to do something it might not have ended that way, but when you sell out on one play expect what happens

[lonny23]

We deserved to win this game...our offense was not great, but they did enough...220+ yards, 99 passing...we need to consider the pass more...Madison has the best Defensive line I have seen...quick and tough...they did not miss one tackle all night...sorry to hear about Eddie Pitts...he is a fine player...one of those that comes from the Judson program...so the rest of the season for Madison should be a prep for the playoffs...great teams learn to over come adversity...Good Luck...That game is the type you have to sometimes win in the playoffs. You don't always get 400 yards. Sometimes it's 200 with a defensive TD or a punt/kickoff return for a TD.

[shooter]

They called it right when the kicker is defensless with his leg in the air its call ruffing, when his leg is down it call running in to the kicker....If Madison would have just covered the punt and let their O try to do something it might not have ended that way, but when you sell out on one play expect what happens

I think the argument was the kicker got hit but did not get hard enough to go down. He ended up on his feat, I think that was more of the argument but like I said, you want to be a great team you have to overcome things like that.

[shooter]

That game is the type you have to sometimes win in the playoffs. You don't always get 400 yards. Sometimes it's 200 with a defensive TD or a punt/kickoff return for a TD.

Not if your Reagan

[TexasRed6x]

Not if your Reagan

Reagan lost because their defense is only average, last week after the firts 6 minutes the game was over.

[dwistheman]

I think the argument was the kicker got hit but did not get hard enough to go down. He ended up on his feat, I think that was more of the argument but like I said, you want to be a great team you have to overcome things like that.

Even though I am a Rocket fan I still think it was a bad call.....

Streety's decision to go for the block was worse though.

[jrock210]

Just so yall know I sent my story into the guy from Prep Ticket I will post ASAP but for now look at:
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/jhsfootballpics/judson%20football%2007-08/Madison/
for game pictures. i'm constantly updating so check them out.

[mad_fan]

This was a great game all around. Madsion will go deep into the payoffs that is a given their defense is outstanding. The loss of Pitts is another tough blow, but my hats off to them it is a shame someone had to lose. I will say as a Judson fan I still do not get what was going on in the last 2 minutes of the game, we again loss good time becaue of clock management, but in the end this time they found away to win. I will also say that to me it looked like running into the kicker but Judson hardly ever gets any breaks. Again Madsion schedule is going to get easier, which gives them time to ticker with life after Thomas so they will be just fine.

That's my basic thought on the game...
Great to listen to...wish I'd been there...
Way better than going to a blow out...

[atwelljroc]

That game is the type you have to sometimes win in the playoffs. You don't always get 400 yards. Sometimes it's 200 with a defensive TD or a punt/kickoff return for a TD.


True!!True!!

[BigB]

I think the argument was the kicker got hit but did not get hard enough to go down. He ended up on his feat, I think that was more of the argument but like I said, you want to be a great team you have to overcome things like that.

If I'm not mistaking, I saw the kicker getting off the ground, and it goes back to good call to go for the block or field the put and play offense>>> Huh

[Biggems]

Complain all you want about the roughing the kicker penalty. Madison was getting generous spots all night by the officials. Not only that, but #85 for the Mavs was holding excessively throughout the first half and the officials did nothing.

So it seems that both teams got away with some calls. That happens every game.

Judson forced every single turnover tonight. Do not act as if Madison just gave the game away. Judson took the game away with some hard hitting right where the ball was and made a few pop loose. Madison is fortunate that they recovered that fumbled punt. If not, Judson would have been inside Madison territory with a first down.

A few things about the Judson offense. Quinney totally underthrew that pass that was intercepted. The Madison CB was beat on the play, but the Safety made a quality play on a very underthrown ball. 2-3 plays later, Madison scores a TD. That INT totally killed all of Judson's first half momentum, what little we had anyway. In the second half, Swan looked like a beast out there and was running very well. He was getting 5-7 yds a carry when they gave him the ball. However, for some reason, they would run Shaw (who just didn't have it tonight), run Quinney for no gain, or throw an incomplete pass on 1st and 2nd down......then bring in Swan on 3rd down......The OC was calling a most horrible game.

My biggest issue with the offense is the OL. They need to do a much better job of blocking for both the pass and the run. Create a freakin hole to run through for crying out loud. Create a decent pocket for Quinney to pass, without making him run for his life.

On defense, I have no idea how that Madison WR was left all alone in the first half. That was really the only horrible play the defense made all night. I was very pleased with the effort the defense put forth tonight against a very potent Madison offense.

ROCKET PRIDE

[shooter]

If I'm not mistaking, I saw the kicker getting off the ground, and it goes back to good call to go for the block or field the put and play offense>>> Huh

I don't know if I question the call, your on the road against a team with a better kicker and a better redzone offence. The last thing you want to do is go into overtime. You need to win the game in regular time. You have a min left and your going to get pinned deep in your own end with out a break away back in your back field against a one of the best defenses in the area.

You have to make something happen. It's always easy to look back and say 'What were you thinking" but it made since to me, you needed a short field so you could try the FG. You go for the return and you take the ball over on the 20 yard line and it's overtime, where you probably don't win.

I think I got the play on Video I'll try and post it on youtube or something if it's any good.

[jrock210]

Complain all you want about the roughing the kicker penalty. Madison was getting generous spots all night by the officials. Not only that, but #85 for the Mavs was holding excessively throughout the first half and the officials did nothing.

So it seems that both teams got away with some calls. That happens every game.

Judson forced every single turnover tonight. Do not act as if Madison just gave the game away. Judson took the game away with some hard hitting right where the ball was and made a few pop loose. Madison is fortunate that they recovered that fumbled punt. If not, Judson would have been inside Madison territory with a first down.

A few things about the Judson offense. Quinney totally underthrew that pass that was intercepted. The Madison CB was beat on the play, but the Safety made a quality play on a very underthrown ball. 2-3 plays later, Madison scores a TD. That INT totally killed all of Judson's first half momentum, what little we had anyway. In the second half, Swan looked like a beast out there and was running very well. He was getting 5-7 yds a carry when they gave him the ball. However, for some reason, they would run Shaw (who just didn't have it tonight), run Quinney for no gain, or throw an incomplete pass on 1st and 2nd down......then bring in Swan on 3rd down......The OC was calling a most horrible game.

My biggest issue with the offense is the OL. They need to do a much better job of blocking for both the pass and the run. Create a freakin hole to run through for crying out loud. Create a decent pocket for Quinney to pass, without making him run for his life.

On defense, I have no idea how that Madison WR was left all alone in the first half. That was really the only horrible play the defense made all night. I was very pleased with the effort the defense put forth tonight against a very potent Madison offense.

ROCKET PRIDE
You left out the part where they would call a penalty on Madison and then add yards to the end and Judsons' coaches go crazy over it until they get it right.Or how Judson gets a delay of game penalty and they move them back 8 yards and Judson has to argue and get in the dudes face to get a good call.

[shooter]

Complain all you want about the roughing the kicker penalty. Madison was getting generous spots all night by the officials. Not only that, but #85 for the Mavs was holding excessively throughout the first half and the officials did nothing.

So it seems that both teams got away with some calls. That happens every game.

Judson forced every single turnover tonight. Do not act as if Madison just gave the game away. Judson took the game away with some hard hitting right where the ball was and made a few pop loose. Madison is fortunate that they recovered that fumbled punt. If not, Judson would have been inside Madison territory with a first down.

A few things about the Judson offense. Quinney totally underthrew that pass that was intercepted. The Madison CB was beat on the play, but the Safety made a quality play on a very underthrown ball. 2-3 plays later, Madison scores a TD. That INT totally killed all of Judson's first half momentum, what little we had anyway. In the second half, Swan looked like a beast out there and was running very well. He was getting 5-7 yds a carry when they gave him the ball. However, for some reason, they would run Shaw (who just didn't have it tonight), run Quinney for no gain, or throw an incomplete pass on 1st and 2nd down......then bring in Swan on 3rd down......The OC was calling a most horrible game.

My biggest issue with the offense is the OL. They need to do a much better job of blocking for both the pass and the run. Create a freakin hole to run through for crying out loud. Create a decent pocket for Quinney to pass, without making him run for his life.

On defense, I have no idea how that Madison WR was left all alone in the first half. That was really the only horrible play the defense made all night. I was very pleased with the effort the defense put forth tonight against a very potent Madison offense.
ROCKET PRIDE

that is still yet to be seen. and with their entire beginning of season starting backfield on crutches at the end of the game i don't know if potent is the right word

[eingedikid]

I like offense, but I appreciate great defensive games, too.Me too. My only regret was that this wasn't a 10-7 type game. Nevertheless, the DT situation notwithstanding, the whole scenario this evening reminded me of the Leander game. Hopefully after this emotional win they won't follow this up with a game reminiscent of what happened in Kerrville. Let that memory be a sufficient "reminder and warning" for the Rockets as they prep for the T-birds.

[atwelljroc]

You left out the part where they would call a penalty on Madison and then add yards to the end and Judsons' coaches go crazy over it until they get it right.Or how Judson gets a delay of game penalty and they move them back 8 yards and Judson has to argue and get in the dudes face to get a good call.


Yes.....what were the refs smoking...that was one of the worst games I have seen ref'd this year...

[jrock210]

Yes.....what were the refs smoking...that was one of the worst games I have seen ref'd this year...

lol thats why the game had 6 seconds off the clock 10 minutes after KO

[zippy]

5 days of fighting over who is going to win, lifetime of fighting over who should have won, and why the team that did win should not have won. I love Madison vs. Judson now in 26-5. Favorite matchup now.

[jrock210]

5 days of fighting over who is going to win, lifetime of fighting over who should have won, and why the team that did win should not have won. I love Madison vs. Judson now in 26-5. Favorite matchup now.

SV vs Judson is always big also

[zippy]

SV vs Judson is always big also

Yea, but we (Judson/SV) do not fight near as much do we?

[TexasRed6x]

Yea, but we (Judson/SV) do not fight near as much do we?

I feel it is because of respect!!!!!!

[mad_fan]

You left out the part where they would call a penalty on Madison and then add yards to the end and Judsons' coaches go crazy over it until they get it right.Or how Judson gets a delay of game penalty and they move them back 8 yards and Judson has to argue and get in the dudes face to get a good call.

Which of those spots did they NOT get right in the end???
I was just listening to the guys on the radio...

[jrock210]

Which of those spots did they NOT get right in the end???
I was just listening to the guys on the radio...

None the coach came onto the field because the refs were ignoring them. They need to turn up their hearing aids or something!

[Biggems]

It is so sweet to be 4-0 in this district......However, we have work left to do. We still have SV and Reagan. I think we should beat Lee and Wagner, especially if our defense continues to play the way it has been playing all year.

[shooter]

Photos are up just letting all 10 threads on this game know

http://lonestarshooter.com/071013FBMMJR/index.html

[zippy]

I feel it is because of respect!!!!!!

Could be. Never really know how that game is going to turn out. So far SV has been lucky, and not had to face Judson in the playoffs. Maybe that has something to do with it too. Those wins beat out district titles by far, and probably result in a little more emotions over the years. SV-Judson playoff game would be sweet to watch. Probably much like SV-Katy matchups so far.

[Mad Hatter]

SV is alwasy tough game ie said it befre and ill say it again....Lay Hill is the best coach in the area and he is always prepared for whatever you throw at him...he may not win every game but id ut money that most school would want him to be there coach.

[lonny23]

5 days of fighting over who is going to win, lifetime of fighting over who should have won, and why the team that did win should not have won. I love Madison vs. Judson now in 26-5. Favorite matchup now.
Yeah, it's a good one. Madison and SV are my A&M/UT games each year.

Instead of all the mudslinging, Madison should be happy that they've been able to beat Judson 3 times this decade.

vs. Judson since 2000:

Smithson Valley 2-1
Churchill 3-5
Madison 3-5
Clemens 1-4
Reagan 1-6
MacArthur 1-7
Wagner 0-1
Lee 0-7
Roosevelt 0-8

[lonny23]

Yea, but we (Judson/SV) do not fight near as much do we?
No, and I think it's because our teams are more alike than Judson/Madison are. We have similar approaches to things and don't get as caught up in chest thumping about wins.

[MADFAN#1]

Hard to win when you turn the ball over 4 times against anybody. To be totally honest the Jusdon offense did not impress me at all. Usually when a team turns it over so many times it's a blow out the other way. If you guys expect to beat SV you need to improve on offense. Should be able to get fat in your next game though (Wagner). The roughing penalty was questionable but when you leave the game to someone elses opinion you take that chance. Once again IMO Streety showed why he will never win the big one. Wrong call wrong time. You don't go all out to block a punt that close to the 50 yard line with 1:30 to go in a tie game. Roughing penalty then gives them the ball in your territory.

Why was Madison called for roughing the kicker on the opening kickoff????

One thing else, I noticed a couple of times in the fourth quarter the Judson clock operator had their finger slip and the clock would be stopped during plays.

[mad_fan]

5 days of fighting over who is going to win, lifetime of fighting over who should have won, and why the team that did win should not have won. I love Madison vs. Judson now in 26-5. Favorite matchup now.

I like to think I'm a better man than than that...in a lose...or a win...
This week...I'd be more concerned about the loss of another RB...than the lose of one two weeks ago...
This will have to affect the game plan/schemes...
I'm moving on to Churchill...

Madison/Judson has turned into a good the last few years...

[mad_fan]

Yea, but we (Judson/SV) do not fight near as much do we?

You mean on the message board???

[mad_fan]

I feel it is because of respect!!!!!!

I think there's probably more respect there from some of those Mad posters than you give then credit for...

[mad_fan]

It is so sweet to be 4-0 in this district......However, we have work left to do. We still have SV and Reagan. I think we should beat Lee and Wagner, especially if our defense continues to play the way it has been playing all year.

It'll be interesting to see where the Madison guy come down on this one...
I'll stick with J...

[mad_fan]

Could be. Never really know how that game is going to turn out. So far SV has been lucky, and not had to face Judson in the playoffs. Maybe that has something to do with it too. Those wins beat out district titles by far, and probably result in a little more emotions over the years. SV-Judson playoff game would be sweet to watch. Probably much like SV-Katy matchups so far.

The playoff think is an interesting point...
Judson is always playing for a spot in the Big schools brackets...
SV fights for a spot in the Small brackets...
Madison, Mac, Churchill are just chasing a spot in either set of brackets...depending on how they do against each other...

[Biggems]

Hard to win when you turn the ball over 4 times against anybody. To be totally honest the Jusdon offense did not impress me at all. Usually when a team turns it over so many times it's a blow out the other way. If you guys expect to beat SV you need to improve on offense. Should be able to get fat in your next game though (Wagner). The roughing penalty was questionable but when you leave the game to someone elses opinion you take that chance. Once again IMO Streety showed why he will never win the big one. Wrong call wrong time. You don't go all out to block a punt that close to the 50 yard line with 1:30 to go in a tie game. Roughing penalty then gives them the ball in your territory.

Why was Madison called for roughing the kicker on the opening kickoff????

One thing else, I noticed a couple of times in the fourth quarter the Judson clock operator had their finger slip and the clock would be stopped during plays.

you noticed huh? I guess you didnt notice all the generous spots the refs were giving you, even when Judson made a great defensive stand. I guess you didnt notice your #85 holding all first half right in front of the ref. I mean that kid was rippin some serious Judson jersey. I guess you didnt notice that in the 4th, when the Shaw got hurt on that one play, the time keeper kept running the clock even after the whistle blew to stop it. I guess you didnt notice that the first half ended, but somehow, miraculously 11 seconds reappeared, which allowed your team enough time to kick a FG. Please do not come in here and try and discuss how poor the refs were against Madison, because they were just as bad, if not worse against Judson.......and guess what, it was a Judson home game. We should have been getting some home cookin', but we couldn't even get a friggin' bone. If the game were at Comalandar, I would expect Madison to get the benefit of the close calls.....but at Rutledge Stadium? For Shame!!!!

Oh and as far as you not being impressed with our offense, just a little secret for you, none of us Judson fans are impressed either. We haven't liked our offense for about 3 years now. The new OC blows. Our OL uses some sort of Matador style blocking tactic. "Ole" and let the defenders right by them. The only holes created in the interior of our OL last night were by the Madison D, busting through the blocks to make tackles behind the LOS. On tosses, options, and sweeps, we seem to always be just 1 guy short of a big run. We seem to always be missing that 1 blocker who would get that last guy and allow our RB to break a huge run. Instead that unblocked guy seems to always tackle our RB. In the passing game, even when Quinney has time to throw, his receivers dont help him. I have been to two games this year, and in both games I have seen passes dropped that were put right in the receivers' hands. I am talked 3-4 times a game. Yes, Quinney can make some bad throws, as he did last night, on that INT, but when he puts it on the money, the receivers have to catch the friggin ball. Against MacArthur and Roosevelt, #14 dropped a sure TD pass in each game. Last night #83 dropped what would have been a great catch. Someone else last night dropped what would have been a TD catch as well.

So yes, our offense is not the vaunted Judson offense that it used to be. However, our defense is downright impressive. And I am a huge fan of defense. They deserve mad props this week as they walk down the hallowed halls of the red campus.

ROCKET PRIDE

[Biggems]

Wasnt it SV who messed up our buses with all that racial crap? I cannot stand SV Clansmen.....

I have a great deal of respect for Madison. I work near Madison and I have worked with Madison students over the last several years. While I enjoy giving them a good ribbing, I will say that I do respect the school. I actually dont hold much animosity towards them.

Now, Roosevelt, SV, Churchill, MacArthur, Clemens (non-district), Clark (non-district), and Holmes (non-district) I absolutely despise.

[Mad Hatter]

Wasnt it SV who messed up our buses with all that racial crap? I cannot stand SV Clansmen.....

I have a great deal of respect for Madison. I work near Madison and I have worked with Madison students over the last several years. While I enjoy giving them a good ribbing, I will say that I do respect the school. I actually dont hold much animosity towards them.

Now, Roosevelt, SV, Churchill, MacArthur, Clemens (non-district), Clark (non-district), and Holmes (non-district) I absolutely despise.

Let that go also man Sv took there lick about that incedent along time ago. There fans were just as embarasesd as ours were.

And as far as judson ans not liking our Oc......not liking is a understatment i cant stand his crap *** calls. He doesnt pay attetion to the game thats going on. Madison had 9 in the bos with no saftey help all night, Slants and outs and TE drags were there all day but instead he kept trying to Run right into that dfensive line....the thing that gets me is He acctualy called Draw plays when they still had 9 in the bos, he didnt spread them out and run a draw no he lined up in the I and ran th draw with all 11 guys in the tackle box...he mindblowingly bad and i realzied something last night. Madison Has been a much bettr team since the got rid of mangold i think we need to follow there example and send him somewhere else.....Hey SV you guys need a offensive coordinator we sell him to you real cheap lol

[nevaplayedk9]

Congrats Rockets...
This is what football is...
Great D on both sides...and Judson created and capitalized on turn overs in the second half...
Great game...

haven't had time to post, but good luck to the mavs the rest of the way. i believe they will go deep in the playoffs. turnovers is something they can fix. judson's defense did create the opportunity to win this game. the personal foul for roughing the kicker I thought was a 5 yarder instead of a personal foul 15 yarder. but the refs tonight looked lost all game.

madison's defense is one of the best i've seen all year. they wrap up, hold on and don't miss a tackle.

judson's offense needs to pass more if a good quick defense is gonna put all 11 in the box. mix up the play calling don't run into a brick wall every time.

week by week judson needs to keep getting better and i believe they will go deep in the playoffs.

good luck to both squads the rest of the way.

[atwelljroc]

haven't had time to post, but good luck to the mavs the rest of the way. i believe they will go deep in the playoffs. turnovers is something they can fix. judson's defense did create the opportunity to win this game. the personal foul for roughing the kicker I thought was a 5 yarder instead of a personal foul 15 yarder. but the refs tonight looked lost all game.

madison's defense is one of the best i've seen all year. they wrap up, hold on and don't miss a tackle.

judson's offense needs to pass more if a good quick defense is gonna put all 11 in the box. mix up the play calling don't run into a brick wall every time.

week by week judson needs to keep getting better and i believe they will go deep in the playoffs.

good luck to both squads the rest of the way.

Ok, I will defend the offense and the offensive line...they were not calling the plays...the coaches were...Madison had 11 guys in the box and we had 7 on the line...I did not go to Judson, but even I know that 7 can't block 11...Madison is the top defense in the city and we put up 20 points, some caused by our defensive play...but this is a team sport...isn't it?... so they are not the top offense in the state, city...hell, the district...but so far this year, with the exception of the Tivy game...they have done enough for us to win and have gotten better each week...so as Judson has been in the past...our defense carries us...

[TexasRed6x]

you noticed huh? I guess you didnt notice all the generous spots the refs were giving you, even when Judson made a great defensive stand. I guess you didnt notice your #85 holding all first half right in front of the ref. I mean that kid was rippin some serious Judson jersey. I guess you didnt notice that in the 4th, when the Shaw got hurt on that one play, the time keeper kept running the clock even after the whistle blew to stop it. I guess you didnt notice that the first half ended, but somehow, miraculously 11 seconds reappeared, which allowed your team enough time to kick a FG. Please do not come in here and try and discuss how poor the refs were against Madison, because they were just as bad, if not worse against Judson.......and guess what, it was a Judson home game. We should have been getting some home cookin', but we couldn't even get a friggin' bone. If the game were at Comalandar, I would expect Madison to get the benefit of the close calls.....but at Rutledge Stadium? For Shame!!!!

Oh and as far as you not being impressed with our offense, just a little secret for you, none of us Judson fans are impressed either. We haven't liked our offense for about 3 years now. The new OC blows. Our OL uses some sort of Matador style blocking tactic. "Ole" and let the defenders right by them. The only holes created in the interior of our OL last night were by the Madison D, busting through the blocks to make tackles behind the LOS. On tosses, options, and sweeps, we seem to always be just 1 guy short of a big run. We seem to always be missing that 1 blocker who would get that last guy and allow our RB to break a huge run. Instead that unblocked guy seems to always tackle our RB. In the passing game, even when Quinney has time to throw, his receivers dont help him. I have been to two games this year, and in both games I have seen passes dropped that were put right in the receivers' hands. I am talked 3-4 times a game. Yes, Quinney can make some bad throws, as he did last night, on that INT, but when he puts it on the money, the receivers have to catch the friggin ball. Against MacArthur and Roosevelt, #14 dropped a sure TD pass in each game. Last night #83 dropped what would have been a great catch. Someone else last night dropped what would have been a TD catch as well.

So yes, our offense is not the vaunted Judson offense that it used to be. However, our defense is downright impressive. And I am a huge fan of defense. They deserve mad props this week as they walk down the hallowed halls of the red campus.

ROCKET PRIDE

You hit the nail on the head about the offense, They really need to start throwing one first down more. Madsion had like 600 guys playing the run all night, but the reason we don't is because they do not have confidence in our offense to pick up a first down if we try and waste a pass on first down. I would also like to take him to clock management class, it did not cost us last night but I could see last years Churchill game all over again. I would also like to add hey leave Swan and Shaw in the backfield together it works or do you not have any other qualified guys to run the plays in with.

[dwistheman]

You hit the nail on the head about the offense, They really need to start throwing one first down more. Madsion had like 600 guys playing the run all night, but the reason we don't is because they do not have confidence in our offense to pick up a first down if we try and waste a pass on first down. I would also like to take him to clock management class, it did not cost us last night but I could see last years Churchill game all over again. I would also like to add hey leave Swan and Shaw in the backfield together it works or do you not have any other qualified guys to run the plays in with.

I am no Mangold apologist, but he walked over to Rackley and asked if he wanted a timeout and Rackley waived him off.
The clock decisions were made by the head coach.

[BigB]

This is a great link for the Judson fans:

http://www.geocities.com/eingedi.geo/judson_record.html

[SVite]

you noticed huh? I guess you didnt notice all the generous spots the refs were giving you, even when Judson made a great defensive stand. I guess you didnt notice your #85 holding all first half right in front of the ref. I mean that kid was rippin some serious Judson jersey. I guess you didnt notice that in the 4th, when the Shaw got hurt on that one play, the time keeper kept running the clock even after the whistle blew to stop it. I guess you didnt notice that the first half ended, but somehow, miraculously 11 seconds reappeared, which allowed your team enough time to kick a FG. Please do not come in here and try and discuss how poor the refs were against Madison, because they were just as bad, if not worse against Judson.......and guess what, it was a Judson home game. We should have been getting some home cookin', but we couldn't even get a friggin' bone. If the game were at Comalandar, I would expect Madison to get the benefit of the close calls.....but at Rutledge Stadium? For Shame!!!!

Oh and as far as you not being impressed with our offense, just a little secret for you, none of us Judson fans are impressed either. We haven't liked our offense for about 3 years now. The new OC blows. Our OL uses some sort of Matador style blocking tactic. "Ole" and let the defenders right by them. The only holes created in the interior of our OL last night were by the Madison D, busting through the blocks to make tackles behind the LOS. On tosses, options, and sweeps, we seem to always be just 1 guy short of a big run. We seem to always be missing that 1 blocker who would get that last guy and allow our RB to break a huge run. Instead that unblocked guy seems to always tackle our RB. In the passing game, even when Quinney has time to throw, his receivers dont help him. I have been to two games this year, and in both games I have seen passes dropped that were put right in the receivers' hands. I am talked 3-4 times a game. Yes, Quinney can make some bad throws, as he did last night, on that INT, but when he puts it on the money, the receivers have to catch the friggin ball. Against MacArthur and Roosevelt, #14 dropped a sure TD pass in each game. Last night #83 dropped what would have been a great catch. Someone else last night dropped what would have been a TD catch as well.

So yes, our offense is not the vaunted Judson offense that it used to be. However, our defense is downright impressive. And I am a huge fan of defense. They deserve mad props this week as they walk down the hallowed halls of the red campus.

ROCKET PRIDE


Have you not seen Judson in the 3 previous games to last nights tilt? The OL/Rushing offense has put on a clinic!

Give ALL the credit to the best defense in the 265, the Madison Mavs. They are the reason, not your beloved:rolleyes: Rockets OL line, OC!

Mad has done that all year, and will prolly keep making opposing offenses look terrible.

[SVite]

Wasnt it SV who messed up our buses with all that racial crap? I cannot stand SV Clansmen.....

I have a great deal of respect for Madison. I work near Madison and I have worked with Madison students over the last several years. While I enjoy giving them a good ribbing, I will say that I do respect the school. I actually dont hold much animosity towards them.

Now, Roosevelt, SV, Churchill, MacArthur, Clemens (non-district), Clark (non-district), and Holmes (non-district) I absolutely despise.


Here we go again! ONE kid, who has graduated all ready, was responsible for that act.

Get over your hate, esay!:)

[Biggems]

Have you not seen Judson in the 3 previous games to last nights tilt? The OL/Rushing offense has put on a clinic!

Give ALL the credit to the best defense in the 265, the Madison Mavs. They are the reason, not your beloved:rolleyes: Rockets OL line, OC!

Mad has done that all year, and will prolly keep making opposing offenses look terrible.

I went to the MacArthur and Madison games.....and on both occasions I was less than impressed with the offense. I went to the SV game last year, and I think one other and our offense stunk last year as well. Forgive me if I am spoiled by guys like Chris Pryor, Vincent Kyle, Kyle Arnell, Jerod Douglas, Kyle Fox.....Forgive me if I am used to seeing Judson average 250-300 yds a game rushing and maybe 50-80 passing. Now we are lucky if we can muster 200 yds of total offense.

Madison has a very good defense, no doubt. However, the Judson offense is about as potent as fangless rattlesnake lately.

[Biggems]

biggest positive about last nights game for me....well besides Judson winning, was the fact that they had no stupid personal foul or taunting penalties..........these types of penalties have been plagueing Judson the last few years. It seems as if the team has been undisciplined and the players lose their cool too easily. However, last night, they stayed composed and didn't get any boneheaded 15 yd penalties. Now if we can just get that OL to stop with the procedure penalties.

[SVite]

I went to the MacArthur and Madison games.....and on both occasions I was less than impressed with the offense. I went to the SV game last year, and I think one other and our offense stunk last year as well. Forgive me if I am spoiled by guys like Chris Pryor, Vincent Kyle, Kyle Arnell, Jerod Douglas, Kyle Fox.....Forgive me if I am used to seeing Judson average 250-300 yds a game rushing and maybe 50-80 passing. Now we are lucky if we can muster 200 yds of total offense.

Madison has a very good defense, no doubt. However, the Judson offense is about as potent as fangless rattlesnake lately.


The 3 games before last nights game, were over at halftime! Shaw was ripping off long ones, just like your whos who list of Ex Rockets.

Please dont use last years team, in your this years talk!

You play a great defense, and you start to implode, on your offense.

Madison held SV to 14 points:eek: !

It was ugly, but only beause the "D" made it that way.

[SMC020]

Have you not seen Judson in the 3 previous games to last nights tilt? The OL/Rushing offense has put on a clinic!

Give ALL the credit to the best defense in the 265, the Madison Mavs. They are the reason, not your beloved:rolleyes: Rockets OL line, OC!

Mad has done that all year, and will prolly keep making opposing offenses look terrible.

I agree Madison's D line is fantastic. I wasn't that impressed with the secondary however.

[rebel27]

I agree Madison's D line is fantastic. I wasn't that impressed with the secondary however.

then, there goes that "who's the best secondary" question, i guess ;). and they did not even get a dose of our secondary at full strength. everybody is saying that Judson's defense did not cause the turnovers, madison beat themselves. that is senseless! I guess their ballcarriers were just running around and the ball was just flopping out of their arms for no good reason at all. and then, madison's D gets credit for the pick off of Quinney. just plain ridiculous. playmakers make plays, plain and simple. and we had more playmakers last night.

[SMC020]

then, there goes that "who's the best secondary" question, i guess ;). and they did not even get a dose of our secondary at full strength. everybody is saying that Judson's defense did not cause the turnovers, madison beat themselves. that is senseless! I guess their ballcarriers were just running around and the ball was just flopping out of their arms for no good reason at all. and then, madison's D gets credit for the pick off of Quinney. just plain ridiculous. playmakers make plays, plain and simple. and we had more playmakers last night.

This is hysterical (in bold) I just had a visual :D:D I'm not saying their secondary isn't the best but I wasn't impressed last night. I think both Madison and Judson have a great secondary.

[rebel27]

This is hysterical (in bold) I just had a visual :D:D I'm not saying their secondary isn't the best but I wasn't impressed last night. I think both Madison and Judson have a great secondary.

both teams stand out comparing them to everyone elses secondary that i have seen this year. if nothing else, i'll even call them 1 and 1a, anyone can choose who's who. all respect to both teams.

[atwelljroc]

both teams stand out comparing them to everyone elses secondary that i have seen this year. if nothing else, i'll even call them 1 and 1a, anyone can choose who's who. all respect to both teams.

Easily the best D Streety has had in years...they proved to me why they were undefeated...it really was a shame someone had to lose after a game like that...total respect for those kids and their effort...but I am still glad we won...good luck to them the rest of the way...

[eingedikid]

Madison/Judson has turned into a good the last few years...
It's like it's returned to the matchups that took place the first several times the two teams played back in the first half of the 80's. I would love to see some more 10-7 type games with good defense. It almost came to that last night where the defenses made each others' offense look bad at times. Next to Holmes (at least in earlier times) and Clark, Madison's always been one of my favorite teams, schools and communities in addition to Rocket/T-Bird land.

[rebel27]

Easily the best D Streety has had in years...they proved to me why they were undefeated...it really was a shame someone had to lose after a game like that...total respect for those kids and their effort...but I am still glad we won...good luck to them the rest of the way...


i feel the same way. i am very close with several of the madison kids and I hated it for them, but glad that we won as well. they are still in good spirits and I believe they will make a serious run @ the Div.2 championship.

[Biggems]

I just want to know what defense Judson was running when they left that one WR wide open over on the ride side of the field. I mean there wasn't a Rocket defender within 30 yards of the kid. Whatever defensive call that was, please rip it from the playbook and burn it. I seriously doubt it was the call though........I think someone just flat out blew the assignment, but I wonder who.

[atwelljroc]

I just want to know what defense Judson was running when they left that one WR wide open over on the ride side of the field. I mean there wasn't a Rocket defender within 30 yards of the kid. Whatever defensive call that was, please rip it from the playbook and burn it. I seriously doubt it was the call though........I think someone just flat out blew the assignment, but I wonder who.

Truly what happened was our corner #20 got tripped up with that receiver and he hurt his ankle...again...#20 has got to be one of the gutsy's players out there...he has been hurt, taped, hurt, retaped and still tried to gut it out...

[rebel27]

I just want to know what defense Judson was running when they left that one WR wide open over on the ride side of the field. I mean there wasn't a Rocket defender within 30 yards of the kid. Whatever defensive call that was, please rip it from the playbook and burn it. I seriously doubt it was the call though........I think someone just flat out blew the assignment, but I wonder who.


whomever it was, we won. we don't need to call anyone out on that if in fact it was a blown assignment. the game is in the books as a victory. Geeezzz...........

[SMC020]

Truly what happened was our corner #20 got tripped up with that receiver and he hurt his ankle...again...#20 has got to be one of the gutsy's players out there...he has been hurt, taped, hurt, retaped and still tried to gut it out...

Thanks....being injured has been tough on him but he was on his receiver the defensive breakdown was on the other side of the field.

[TexasRed6x]

I am no Mangold apologist, but he walked over to Rackley and asked if he wanted a timeout and Rackley waived him off.
The clock decisions were made by the head coach.


When I said he I meant Rackley !!!!

[mad_fan]

It's like it's returned to the matchups that took place the first several times the two teams played back in the first half of the 80's. I would love to see some more 10-7 type games with good defense. It almost came to that last night where the defenses made each others' offense look bad at times. Next to Holmes (at least in earlier times) and Clark, Madison's always been one of my favorite teams, schools and communities in addition to Rocket/T-Bird land.

:eek:That goes to my days...'81 grad...great games in those days too...

[dwistheman]

I just want to know what defense Judson was running when they left that one WR wide open over on the ride side of the field. I mean there wasn't a Rocket defender within 30 yards of the kid. Whatever defensive call that was, please rip it from the playbook and burn it. I seriously doubt it was the call though........I think someone just flat out blew the assignment, but I wonder who.

I could be totally wrong, but it looked like Judson was running a zone on that side with the corner covering short/in the flat, and the safety deep. Problem was the safety didnt cover deep.

[rebel27]

that's not what the players told me cuz that was my first question after the game. it was blown coverage, period.

[TexasRed6x]

I could be totally wrong, but it looked like Judson was running a zone on that side with the corner covering short/in the flat, and the safety deep. Problem was the safety didnt cover deep.

You might be right but to me it looked like a blown coverage. All year for the most part the secondary has done quite well though.

[BigB]

It was blown coverage, thre receiver ran right thru both the safety and cornerback and #21 ran from his coverage on the other side of the field to try and make the tackle. I have the play on tape and everytime I look at it makes me think....

[JLP09]

It was blown coverage, thre receiver ran right thru both the safety and cornerback and #21 ran from his coverage on the other side of the field to try and make the tackle. I have the play on tape and everytime I look at it makes me think....



#21 showed great hustle and effort coming from the backside to try and make that tackle.... if there was another 12-15 yards #21 would have made a touchdown saving tackle on #11 who's speed is mediocre at the wideout position

[SMC020]

It was blown coverage, thre receiver ran right thru both the safety and cornerback and #21 ran from his coverage on the other side of the field to try and make the tackle. I have the play on tape and everytime I look at it makes me think....

This is what happened.