Longview will win state.....

[Jtate862003]

I really think this is longview year...they will win state.

[toonman]

I think Longview and a lot of other teams are State Champs contenders. Longview looked very good last night, but I have to say Tyler Lee looked terrible. To think they are the defending D1 State Champs.

We are not yet half way through district play, so I do not feel that Longview as State Champs is a given. Depending if they go D1 or D2 and which other teams go D1 and D2. I am not going to pick one team, but the following are also serious contenders : Euless Trinity - Spring Westfield - North Shore - Katy - Lufkin - Southlake Carroll - Smithson Valley. I will also throw in Judson, Cove and Abilene.

[c-lisle]

I think Longview and a lot of other teams are State Champs contenders. Longview looked very good last night, but I have to say Tyler Lee looked terrible. To think they are the defending D1 State Champs.

We are not yet half way through district play, so I do not feel that Longview as State Champs is a given. Depending if they go D1 or D2 and which other teams go D1 and D2. I am not going to pick one team, but the following are also serious contenders : Euless Trinity - Spring Westfield - North Shore - Katy - Lufkin - Southlake Carroll - Smithson Valley. I will also throw in Judson, Cove and Abilene.


He said he thought they would win state. I think they have the talent and determination to make it. But the thought of playing SLC is scary. I don't think these players are scared one bit though. They are experienced and all have the same goal in mind. Our coach has said it many times this year, this is a special group of guys.

[Redneckn]

I don't think Longview will win it. They may get to the game, but they wont bring it to the house. The Lobos will (eventually) face a team that has a strong D and also puts the ball up. When that happens, they will lose their game winner. Time control.

Tyler Lee did horrible last nite. That was pretty much because of the QB. That kid is not seasoned enough yet. He will be though.

So everyone is clear, I am not a fan of Lonvgiew. I would like to see them win state, but I just don't think they can.

[SFAlobo]

Redneckn...
Longview's secondary does need some work and i think they will get better...but they aren't horrid...with more coaching and game time adjustments they will play well enough to keep the team in the game. I think state is up for grabs right now between about seven or eight teams...i cant say that anyone(not even SLC) is a shoe-in to win but it will certainly be an exciting post season.

[Redneckn]

Redneckn...
Longview's secondary does need some work and i think they will get better...but they aren't horrid...with more coaching and game time adjustments they will play well enough to keep the team in the game. I think state is up for grabs right now between about seven or eight teams...i cant say that anyone(not even SLC) is a shoe-in to win but it will certainly be an exciting post season.

No, they aren't in any way a bad team. Not even a little bad. In fact, even ECA's coach said that this years Longview team is the best teams ECA has ever faced. Now I know why ECA has had a bad start. The man is crazy. He seems to forget DLS (california) and Springdale (ark).

Anyway, I just dont think Longview has a strong enough D and I think that a solid passing team will erase the clock control that Longview enjoys.

We'll see though. It will be exciting around playoff time for sure.

[pack0808]

I have seen DLS and Springdale and i like this Longview's team chances vs them. I also like Lufkin's and SLC's and Westfield, and Trinity chances vs them. Just my opinion!!

[raidercheerdad]

Tyler Lee did horrible last nite. That was pretty much because of the QB. That kid is not seasoned enough yet. He will be though.



In Marcus' defense, he was very accurate when he had time to throw. I thought he played really well under the circumstances. Lee continues to make the mistakes that prevent winning - ie. muffed kickoff, fumbles, arm tackling, etc. This is not the same well disciplined team that made the run last year.

As for Longview, Lee's offense(w/Preston at the helm) has been able to move on the best of the best this year -- but struggled against Longview's defense. Longview has the talent to make the run and I don't believe that SLC has seen the team speed or ability that Longview has. I wish them luck and if they stay healthy, they could very well make a run to state. They have every bit as good an offense as Euless Trinity and better than anybody else we've faced. With the schedule we've played, our kids seem beaten down and I hope they have the intestinal fortitude to finish strong. We have to run the table to have a chance at the playoffs. Don't count us out yet, but our run probably won't be deep if we make it.

[SLCDRGN]

I think SLC matches up with Longview very well! This will be SLC's best defense in a long time. They will put 8 in the box and stuff their run. They will have to beat SLC with the pass & I don't think it will happen. I think Longview plays with SLC for a half & SLC pulls away BIG in the second.

Don't get me wrong, Longview looked good last night but making judgements based on Lee makes no sense. Lee is devastated by injury and has given up due to so many loses. Lose to Rockwall??? Come on!!

The match of the year you ask? SLC vs Trinity..........Sad thing is that it will never happen due to 2 divisions in Texas 5A football.

Teams that would give SLC a run for their money in the playoffs in Division 2 in order:

1. Lufkin
2. Abilene
3. SV

[pack0808]

Longview will not get beat soundly by anybody if they happen to lose this year. If you beat them it is going to have to be very late in the 4th just like SLC did vs Lufkin twice.

[Favpack]

Agreed Pack0808 - Longview has the look/swagger of an elite this year.

And for those of you busting Lee - yes, Lee is way down and not playing well. But, this WAS Longview/Lee - a great tradition - and the game was effectively over 5 minutes into it. Longview was on cruise control for 3 quarters. And, I still say Lee gets it together a little, not sure about the playoffs. Trinity demolished Lee at Rose as well - and Trinity is also an elite team.

[pack0808]

The Rockwall loss is what tells me this team has no shot at the playoffs this year. I think they will get better and the new qb has potential!!

[SLCDRGN]

Lee is a team that has given up. Loses & injury has ruined it for this team!! I agree, Longview looked very good last night but put them up against a top 5 team in the state of Texas & I don't like their chances.

[pack0808]

Lee is a team that has given up. Loses & injury has ruined it for this team!! I agree, Longview looked very good last night but put them up against a top 5 team in the state of Texas & I don't like their chances.


I like their chances vs anybody and this is coming from a Lufkin not Longview fan. Do i think they are beatable?? Absolutely!!

[Sakatha]

Facts are, nobody is a 'given' to win state.

Not Carroll. Not Trinity. Not Lufkin. Not Longview, or SV, or Katy or ANYBODY.

Anyone can lose in December. This state's top 10, top to bottom, kicks the *** out of any other state champ in our great country. That means any of those teams is a contender. Even some ranked lower.

All it takes is 3 fumbles from McGee. 4 INTs from McElroy.

Bad games... They are there to be had by everybody. Even Southlake Carroll.

~DnM

[bleedgreen]

Lee is a team that has given up. Loses & injury has ruined it for this team!! I agree, Longview looked very good last night but put them up against a top 5 team in the state of Texas & I don't like their chances.
you may be eating those exact words, Mr. SLCDRGN.....don't start tooting your own horn just yet.....Sakatha--definitely agree with you....

[pack0808]

True to a point Sakatha but i can pretty much 100 percent guarantee you the div1 and div2 champs will come from one of these 8 teams. SLC,Longview, Trinity, Spring Westfield, Katy, Lufkin, NS, and SV. That is without a doubt in my opinion!! It is just a matter of which ones will it be??

[Jtate862003]

SLC....DRGN IN RESPONSE TO YOUR IDIOTIC POSTS NOT JUST TO DEFEND LEE......but lee put 8 in the box several times last night and what did vondrell or ivory or carlin freeman do they ran around the edges.....longviews run wont be stopped they are too fast and if you want put 8 ni the box to stop mcgee they'll put ivory out in the flats to recieve and you'll get burned out there......and lee hasnt given up, you ever just figured longview is just awesome.....BET YOU HAVENT THOUGHT THAT............And just to let you ALL KNOW COahc king and his staff are GREAT FRIENDS with Coach Owens and his staff they called the dogs off 2nd and 3rd string was in the wwhole 2nd half so it could have been alot worse for lee

[Sakatha]

True to a point Sakatha but i can pretty much 100 percent guarantee you the div1 and div2 champs will come from one of these 8 teams. SLC,Longview, Trinity, Spring Westfield, Katy, Lufkin, NS, and SV. That is without a doubt in my opinion!! It is just a matter of which ones will it be??


Isn't that what I said? ;) I just added that unranked teams have been known to win state.

Anyone proclaiming Longview state champs on Oct 7 is either *from* Longview, or has just been beaten by them.

~DnM

[pack0808]

Incorrect on the 2nd and 3rd strings. i watched the whole game and the subs did not come in for Longview until 7 minutes left in the 4th. I paid very close attention to that on purpose because Rclisle is obsessed with 2nd string. LOL Tyler Lee just had some very long drives vs Longview's 1st string defense with no scores and held the Longview's 1st string offense to back to back 3 and out's. Had nothing to do with 2nd and 3rd stringers until 7 minutes left in the 4th.

[Jtate862003]

well i was at the game...and i noticed in particular several on the d-line and 1 of the linbackers for sure were not in in the second half so i would say it least 75% of the longview d was out the second half....

[bleedgreen]

you people are funny, to say the least....Longview beats up on a mentally and physically whipped Lee team and now all of a sudden, threads are being started about Longview winning state??? cmon, give me a break...there is still so much to go through before that even is a factor.....anything can happen.....might i remind you about SG beating us a couple of years ago--same day, Garland sent Lufkin home, as well.......nothing is set in stone.....the problem i have with last night's game is this: why did we only play one half of complete football??? did Lee get better in the second half or did we start screwing around because of the huge lead?? it was obvious that Lee couldn't stop Vondrell--why not keep on giving Vondrell the ball the ENTIRE night?? something is working that Lee cannot stop and we start running other plays...are we practicing different plays because we had the huge lead??? i see this crap EVERY week!! 35-7?? should have been 55-7.....pathetic performance in the second half, just my opinion........and for the person who said that our defense wasn't very strong----you have to be an idiot for making such a ridiculous post....haven't been watching football very long have we???

[DragonFan]

I watched the game last night. Tyler Lee self destructed and was dominated on the line. Vondrell and Ivory were both playing in the 4th. I would have played them as well because Tyler Lee was 1 or 2 plays away from being in the game.

Longview looked good but it is my opion that they have not played any high powerd teams yet. The same can be said about SLC. Although CHHS was one of the highest scoring offenses in the state and SLC stuffed them and scored 59 points on them.

It will be interesting to see the results of watching SLC vs Denton Ryan next Thursday night. And then compairing the two teams after most everyone has seen both play.

I was also a little disappointed with the crowd last night. It seemed that there was a lot of empty seats for this game.

[pack0808]

well i was at the game...and i noticed in particular several on the d-line and 1 of the linbackers for sure were not in in the second half so i would say it least 75% of the longview d was out the second half....


It just as easy to see on tv as it is at the game. Sometimes it is easier on tv depending where you sit. Either way, I know Longview's 1st string offense was in until 7 minutes left in the 4th but they could have made small substitutions on defense before they completely took everybody out with 7 minutes left in the 4th. I know they took the stud def end out because of a slight shoulder pull for precautionary reasons but that is all i noticed. Does not matter Longview dominated the game no matter who was in there. I was impressed with Bell or Beel?? cant remember?? Hard hitter!! I also like that huddleston kid. I love how he plays!! Solid defensive lineman and a solid hard hitting defense but they are vulnerable to the pass and run's around the edges at times. Of course i was impressed with mcgee he is a stud and i was impressed with Ivory on blocking not on rushing the ball and the qb always does an efficient job. Maybe Ivory just had a off night running the ball?? Good lanky wr they have in Robinson and they have a very solid o-line and the te is a stud. Very impressive team if they stay healthy but i already knew that before i watched it.

[Lobo9498]

You probably saw the Lee side of the field. They cleared out after halftime practically. The Longview side was packed pretty good until the 4th quarter. I was impressed with Lee's crowd to begin with. Their PA announcer was a bit annoying though. He was talking half time just before plays went off.

The Lee radio announcers said it looked like a giant Christmas tree, with red and green on both sides of the field. It was a great atmosphere last night. Lee gave us some trouble, but that's expected.

As for SLC, who cares right now? We have to make it to the playoffs healthy, and just keep winning. IF we meet Lufkin, we have to pull it out before ANYONE on this board, especially the Dragon fans, will even think about giving us any kind of respect.

It's one thing to support your team and talk about them, but contrary to popular belief SLC is NOT the first team to do what they're doing. Anyone remember ECA and DLS all winning for a long time? BUT, they did get beat eventually. It will happen SLC fans. And, when they just become one of the "regular" teams, that doesn't win it every year...then how many fans will drop off the bandwagon? I am curious to see that. It may or may not happen this year, but SLC will lose a few games during the season in time. I dare to say that in the next few years, they don't even make the playoffs at least once.

SLC won't play anyone until they get deep in the playoffs. You say we haven't played any "powerhouse" teams? How about the 4A D1 runner-up in Texas last year in Marshall? They beat the 4A state champs Kilgore. How about BOTH the runner-up and champions of LA 5A football last year? The past games mean nothing now. They are just wins. We have a long way to go. If you don't respect us, that's fine. We like playing the underdogs. It's more fun when we win that way.

[bleedgreen]

It just as easy to see on tv as it is at the game. Sometimes it is easier on tv depending where you sit. Either way, I know Longview's 1st string offense was in until 7 minutes left in the 4th but they could have made small substitutions on defense before they completely took everybody out with 7 minutes left in the 4th. I know they took the stud def end out because of a slight shoulder pull for precautionary reasons but that is all i noticed. Does not matter Longview dominated the game no matter who was in there. I was impressed with Bell or Beel?? cant remember?? Hard hitter!! I also like that huddleston kid. I love how he plays!! Solid defensive lineman and a solid hard hitting defense but they are vulnerable to the pass and run's around the edges at times. Of course i was impressed with mcgee he is a stud and i was impressed with Ivory on blocking not on rushing the ball and the qb always does an efficient job. Maybe Ivory just had a off night running the ball?? Good lanky wr they have in Robinson and they have a very solid o-line and the te is a stud. Very impressive team if they stay healthy but i already knew that before i watched it.
yea, i agree with you pack0808--i saw last night where Jason was able to get around the end and have some success....noone has been able to get around there all season because of our speed on defense..this is the fastest defense that i have ever seen in Longview--i was a little surprised last night, myself....as for the "fan support"..it was televised, cold front started blowing through, and alot of the Lee season ticket holders are obviously "fair weather" fans...........

[Redneckn]

you people are funny, to say the least....Longview beats up on a mentally and physically whipped Lee team and now all of a sudden, threads are being started about Longview winning state??? cmon, give me a break...there is still so much to go through before that even is a factor.....anything can happen.....might i remind you about SG beating us a couple of years ago--same day, Garland sent Lufkin home, as well.......nothing is set in stone.....the problem i have with last night's game is this: why did we only play one half of complete football??? did Lee get better in the second half or did we start screwing around because of the huge lead?? it was obvious that Lee couldn't stop Vondrell--why not keep on giving Vondrell the ball the ENTIRE night?? something is working that Lee cannot stop and we start running other plays...are we practicing different plays because we had the huge lead??? i see this crap EVERY week!! 35-7?? should have been 55-7.....pathetic performance in the second half, just my opinion........and for the person who said that our defense wasn't very strong----you have to be an idiot for making such a ridiculous post....haven't been watching football very long have we???

I didnt say the LV D wasnt strong. I just said it wasnt all that strong. It's not. I watched the game, I know what I was looking at. A good D. Not a great D.

If your D was all that good, your boy wouldnt have had that pass caught right in his face in the end zone.

[BigArab]

I didnt say the LV D wasnt strong. I just said it wasnt all that strong. It's not. I watched the game, I know what I was looking at. A good D. Not a great D.

If your D was all that good, your boy wouldnt have had that pass caught right in his face in the end zone.

Suddenly a ridiculous circus pass in the back of the endzone makes us just a so so D??????? That was an amazing catch and ball/body control. Nothing the D back could've done about that....the ball was going out of the back of the endzone (that was definitely not a "right on the money pass" as the commentators were saying).

This is just flat out upsetting me. Our great, hard, praised schedule at the beginning of the season suddenly turns into a not very good schedule. Why is that? Because we dismantled each really good team one by one, and since our offense is only okay, then those teams must not be very good. And Pack, how could you not be impressed with two designed up the middle runs that Ivory bounced out for 15 yard gains. Ivory had an off night????? He had 2 TDs!!!!

But like someone said....keep rating us the underdog... we like that role.

[BigArab]

I didnt say the LV D wasnt strong. I just said it wasnt all that strong. It's not. I watched the game, I know what I was looking at. A good D. Not a great D.

If your D was all that good, your boy wouldnt have had that pass caught right in his face in the end zone.

And lets not forget the 2 INTs. One of which was a great defensive play, not the fault of the QB.

You guys talk about how Lee's team self destructed. Could Longview putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on every play have something to do with that? You guys just don't get it. The defenses job is to force turnovers and prevent scoring. They did both last night.

[PurpleNation]

SLC....DRGN IN RESPONSE TO YOUR IDIOTIC POSTS NOT JUST TO DEFEND LEE......but lee put 8 in the box several times last night and what did vondrell or ivory or carlin freeman do they ran around the edges.....longviews run wont be stopped they are too fast and if you want put 8 ni the box to stop mcgee they'll put ivory out in the flats to recieve and you'll get burned out there......and lee hasnt given up, you ever just figured longview is just awesome.....BET YOU HAVENT THOUGHT THAT............And just to let you ALL KNOW COahc king and his staff are GREAT FRIENDS with Coach Owens and his staff they called the dogs off 2nd and 3rd string was in the wwhole 2nd half so it could have been alot worse for lee


OMG King did not Call the dogs off McGee was still playing around the 8 minute mark in the 4th quarter and he played the Enitre 3rd quarter. Lee made Adjustments and shut down Longview much of the second half. The defense didnt even put any backups in until the very last Lee drive but I saw starters still in (#60, #63, #6) are just a couple of ones I noticed.

[Redneckn]

And lets not forget the 2 INTs. One of which was a great defensive play, not the fault of the QB.

You guys talk about how Lee's team self destructed. Could Longview putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on every play have something to do with that? You guys just don't get it. The defenses job is to force turnovers and prevent scoring. They did both last night.


Wait a second. I'm not saying that the LV is not good. I'm just saying that they are not THAT good. Longview is good on both sides of the ball. But they are not GREAT. Longview still hasnt played anybody really. They haven't really faced a solid strong team yet. Again, I could be wrong. But I don't think I am.

You people sure do get pissy when somebody talks about your team dont you?

[pack0808]

Suddenly a ridiculous circus pass in the back of the endzone makes us just a so so D??????? That was an amazing catch and ball/body control. Nothing the D back could've done about that....the ball was going out of the back of the endzone (that was definitely not a "right on the money pass" as the commentators were saying).

This is just flat out upsetting me. Our great, hard, praised schedule at the beginning of the season suddenly turns into a not very good schedule. Why is that? Because we dismantled each really good team one by one, and since our offense is only okay, then those teams must not be very good. And Pack, how could you not be impressed with two designed up the middle runs that Ivory bounced out for 15 yard gains. Ivory had an off night????? He had 2 TDs!!!!

But like someone said....keep rating us the underdog... we like that role.

Sorry i saw Ivory get stuffed several times and i bet he had no more then 30 yards?? You can have 2 td's and have an off night if they were 1 or 2 yard runs!! Either way he is a very good fb and has a bright future at the div1a level. I give Longview nothing but compliments but you freak out when i say one thing about one player having an off night?? :rolleyes: I agree, Longview has a good to very good defense and the catch was a circus type catch out of desperation on a 4th and long. You cannot knock the d for that??

[BigArab]

Wait a second. I'm not saying that the LV is not good. I'm just saying that they are not THAT good. Longview is good on both sides of the ball. But they are not GREAT. Longview still hasnt played anybody really. They haven't really faced a solid strong team yet. Again, I could be wrong. But I don't think I am.

You people sure do get pissy when somebody talks about your team dont you?

Yes, when they talk about things they don't really understand.

Marshall- Great defense and scored the most points (16) any team has on us this season.They will make another deep run this year. Handed Kilgore its first lost.
West Monroe- held us to a season low 21 points. Incredible team. Regardless, we still pitched a shutout.
Evangel- perennial powerhouse got flat-out embarrassed.
Lake Highlands- a game I'd like to see go bye-bye, but still got dominated just the same.
Mesquite- a not too bad team with good tradition that only crossed the 50 yard line ONCE against the second team defense, who then went on to prevent the TD deep in our territory and help pitch the shutout.
Mesquite Horn- Another team that got torched.

Just continue to say we aren't great. It doesn't really matter.

[BigArab]

Sorry i saw Ivory get stuffed several times and i bet he had no more then 30 yards?? You can have 2 td's and have an off night if they were 1 or 2 yard runs!! Either way he is a very good fb and has a bright future at the div1a level. I give Longview nothing but compliments but you freak out when i say one thing about one player having an off night?? :rolleyes: I agree, Longview has a good to very good defense and the catch was a circus type catch out of desperation on a 4th and long. You cannot knock the d for that??

Chris Ivory 9 carries for 79 yards and 2 TDs.

[PurpleNation]

I really think this is longview year...they will win state.



First They dominated your weak Lee squad have beat a quality opponet (Maybe West Monroe) and now they are State title contenders. They have a shot but right now there are about 8-9 teams that have that same shot.

1.SLC- Phelps is the heart of there defense My top 5 LB in State.
2.Westfield- They will run threw region 3 and into a State title shot.
3. Longview- Great Chance with McGee
4. Lufkin - Big time plays form there Stud WR's can make this the year
5. Trinity- Nance,Nance,Nance
6. Katy- Dalton is a field genreral with maybe the Top defense in Tx.
7. Abilene- Tayloy Potts can carry Abilene to that particular rematch
8. Carter- Biggest O-Line in Texas with a deadly Dual-Threat QB.


Longview doesnt need to Look past that Show down with John Tyler. JT is no sluch and Brooks has the boys ready to compete with anybody. Last time I was loking for SLC my Jr season we went home early. To much FB left to tell who the contenders from the pretenders.

[pack0808]

Chris Ivory 9 carries for 79 yards and 2 TDs.


Really?? Must have missed his good runs when i was switching back to the Astro game early i stand corrected!! Not a bad night at all.

[BigArab]

Really?? Must have missed his good runs when i was switching back to the Astro game early i stand corrected!! Not a bad night at all.

And like you said...he certainly lays the wood on people. 5'11" 195 has to be incorrect. He's gotta be pushing 210.

[pack0808]

First They dominated your weak Lee squad have beat a quality opponet (Maybe West Monroe) and now they are State title contenders. They have a shot but right now there are about 8-9 teams that have that same shot.

1.SLC- Phelps is the heart of there defense My top 5 LB in State.
2.Westfield- They will run threw region 3 and into a State title shot.
3. Longview- Great Chance with McGee
4. Lufkin - Big time plays form there Stud WR's can make this the year
5. Trinity- Nance,Nance,Nance
6. Katy- Dalton is a field genreral with maybe the Top defense in Tx.
7. Abilene- Tayloy Potts can carry Abilene to that particular rematch
8. Carter- Biggest O-Line in Texas with a deadly Dual-Threat QB.


Longview doesnt need to Look past that Show down with John Tyler. JT is no sluch and Brooks has the boys ready to compete with anybody. Last time I was loking for SLC my Jr season we went home early. To much FB left to tell who the contenders from the pretenders.


Marshall is a very good team!! They would be a top 15 team in 5a at least.

[pack0808]

And like you said...he certainly lays the wood on people. 5'11" 195 has to be incorrect. He's gotta be pushing 210.


He about killed one guy on a lead block!! That one hurt me!! LOL Pippens or Pippins i guess?? he sure felt Jason Williams a few times though. That happens. J Williams is a very good rb.

[BigArab]

He about killed one guy on a lead block!! That one hurt me!! LOL Pippens or Pippins i guess?? he sure felt Jason Williams a few times though. That happens. J Williams is a very good rb.

That he is. Pippens, Calvin Jackson, and Laderrick Satterwhite are going to have some coaches in their face this week. Body and arm tackles just don't cut it when you're coming up to face a top notch RB like Williams.

[pack0808]

First They dominated your weak Lee squad have beat a quality opponet (Maybe West Monroe) and now they are State title contenders. They have a shot but right now there are about 8-9 teams that have that same shot.

1.SLC- Phelps is the heart of there defense My top 5 LB in State.
2.Westfield- They will run threw region 3 and into a State title shot.
3. Longview- Great Chance with McGee
4. Lufkin - Big time plays form there Stud WR's can make this the year
5. Trinity- Nance,Nance,Nance
6. Katy- Dalton is a field genreral with maybe the Top defense in Tx.
7. Abilene- Tayloy Potts can carry Abilene to that particular rematch
8. Carter- Biggest O-Line in Texas with a deadly Dual-Threat QB.


Longview doesnt need to Look past that Show down with John Tyler. JT is no sluch and Brooks has the boys ready to compete with anybody. Last time I was loking for SLC my Jr season we went home early. To much FB left to tell who the contenders from the pretenders.


How could you not mention Lufkin's great defense in that analysis?? Probably just forgot??

[Redneckn]

Yes, when they talk about things they don't really understand.

Marshall- Great defense and scored the most points (16) any team has on us this season.They will make another deep run this year. Handed Kilgore its first lost.
West Monroe- held us to a season low 21 points. Incredible team. Regardless, we still pitched a shutout.
Evangel- perennial powerhouse got flat-out embarrassed.
Lake Highlands- a game I'd like to see go bye-bye, but still got dominated just the same.
Mesquite- a not too bad team with good tradition that only crossed the 50 yard line ONCE against the second team defense, who then went on to prevent the TD deep in our territory and help pitch the shutout.
Mesquite Horn- Another team that got torched.

Just continue to say we aren't great. It doesn't really matter.

Let me start by saying this. ECA. Very weak this year. Nuff said. WestMonroe. Uh, your own people (on this board) have said time and time again that 5A teams from La are like 3A texas teams.
Marshall. 4A.
The others, LV people have said are weak teams.

You havent played a good team yet. But I dont know what I'm talking about? Football and knowledge of the game does not begin and end in Longview. Get over yourselves already.
I've done said your team is good. What more do you want?

You're getting so defensive because I said I didnt think your team is great. Every team cant be great.

[stinger]

Pack0808...good post...myround0 has yet to say anything...is it because the same things he accuses other teams of doing, without facts to back it, has come back to haunt him!!!??? It was a great game, but as everybody says, the true end comes in December. This year could be the match of some of the best teams ever. As the paper says today, Trinity is going to start working on their passing to open up defenses. They are doing fine so far with almost 60% completions and many touchdowns. But the recievers will be more open since the run threat is very lethal.

[BigArab]

Let me start by saying this. ECA. Very weak this year. Nuff said. WestMonroe. Uh, your own people (on this board) have said time and time again that 5A teams from La are like 3A texas teams.
Marshall. 4A.
The others, LV people have said are weak teams.

You havent played a good team yet. But I dont know what I'm talking about? Football and knowledge of the game does not begin and end in Longview. Get over yourselves already.
I've done said your team is good. What more do you want?

You're getting so defensive because I said I didnt think your team is great. Every team cant be great.

You'd get upset too if your team torched someone by the end of the 2nd quarter and I sat back and said "meh...they're okay."

[Redneckn]

You'd get upset too if your team torched someone by the end of the 2nd quarter and I sat back and said "meh...they're okay."


No I really wouldn't. If it were true, I would see no malice in the statement.
I dont mean that long is just "ok". They are good. They are actually a little better than good. But they are not great. Like SLC. or Springdale. or Lufkin. or Colerain. :D

[BigArab]

No I really wouldn't. If it were true, I would see no malice in the statement.
I dont mean that long is just "ok". They are good. They are actually a little better than good. But they are not great. Like SLC. or Springdale. or Lufkin. or Colerain. :D

Yet Lee kept it nowhere near as close to us a they did to Colerain (and I know the argument will be injuries...so whatever)

[pack0808]

Longview is a very good team with the potential of being great but we do not know yet for sure?? That is my opinion!! Can yall both give in a little and admit that at least. LOL

[BigArab]

Longview is a very good team with the potential of being great but we do not know yet for sure?? That is my opinion!! Can yall both give in a little and admit that at least. LOL

I've said it here and on other posts. The defense has to improve, but they did their job. They prevented scoring and they had turnovers. But my challenge to any of you is to stop them. Stop Vondrells elusive, you have to stop Ivory's power. Stop Ivory and Vondrell and you have to worry about Freeman on the run. Stop all three and you have to worry about McGee and Ivory out of the backfield. Stop either of them and you'll see deep balls all night (which I think will surprise some people.) If Von and Ivory can't get it done, Jazmon Moon and Mark (?) have both proven that they know how to get it done. Plenty of weapons.

But, I will concede...defense neeeds to improve. But keep in mind thats the most yards they've allowed all season.

[Redneckn]

I agree, the D needs improvements.

And Lee just got hammered all the way around.

[c-lisle]

I've said it here and on other posts. The defense has to improve, but they did their job. They prevented scoring and they had turnovers. But my challenge to any of you is to stop them. Stop Vondrells elusive, you have to stop Ivory's power. Stop Ivory and Vondrell and you have to worry about Freeman on the run. Stop all three and you have to worry about McGee and Ivory out of the backfield. Stop either of them and you'll see deep balls all night (which I think will surprise some people.) If Von and Ivory can't get it done, Jazmon Moon and Mark (?) have both proven that they know how to get it done. Plenty of weapons.

But, I will concede...defense neeeds to improve. But keep in mind thats the most yards they've allowed all season.

Cody Williams sat out most of the game b/c of a shoulder injury. Of course Guinn and Johnson are still out due to injury. It really hurts losing those two guys. I won't use as a excuse though, our D has stepped up in their absence. I think Johnson will be back but Guinn is out for the season. Sad too cause that guy is a terror on defense.

Can any Longview fan tell me why Zach Hatcher isn't playing some LB. He looks pretty good but was in street clothes at the game. Is he hurt? Also why is our backup RB Moon instead of Wickerson. That Wickerson kid looks real good and he is a junior. He isn't even suiting up with Varsity. He must not be as good as he looks.

[LoboFan07]

They must feel Moon is a little bit better than him. I have no idea to be honest.

I think it's funny when I read that people think we'll be down again next year when our 2nd team has seen the exact same time our 1st team has seen, and they're producing the same thing that our 1st team is. Moon and Johnson have definately impressed me especially just being a Sophomore.

[BigArab]

They must feel Moon is a little bit better than him. I have no idea to be honest.

I think it's funny when I read that people think we'll be down again next year when our 2nd team has seen the exact same time our 1st team has seen, and they're producing the same thing that our 1st team is. Moon and Johnson have definately impressed me especially just being a Sophomore.

Sometimes you just don't see a player being the future of a team. There were other backs at Longview when McGee was a soph, but he got the backup position. Coaches saw something in him. They were right...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I've seen Longview play, twice, this year....they've looked good. But there's at least 12-15 teams that can beat Longview.

Southlake Carroll...The passing attack is ferocious, superb technique.
Spring Westfield....The team is a beast....other squads need to be aware!
Euless Trinity...the tenacity, the power...the domination.
North Shore.....hard hitters...wow!! Hard to find a better group of athletes!
Lufkin....uhhh....how long has it been since Longview beat Lufkin?! Yeahhh!!!
Katy.....the tradition. A solid bunch of corn-fed young men!!
Copperas Cove.....looks very good, guys!!
Schertz-Clemens...solid..not great, but very good.
Dallas Carter.....got some good athletes. Beat a very good Garland High Team.
Austin Westlake...only loss is to 6-0 Leander.
Plano....uhhh...lets see, they average...40.6 pts a game, while giving up, only, [drum roll, please]....9.8 pts a game!!!!.......Nuff said!!
Converse Judson....only loss is to 5-0 CC and 4-1 Smithson Valley.
Smithson Valley...should be 5-0. Great team, that will build up speed on the way to the playoffs!!
Garland...only losses are to Desoto, in 5 overtimes....and 5-0 Dallas Carter.
Abilene....a sound squad!

Interseting note:...Desoto has loss to 5-0 Euless Trinity, 4-1 Arlington and a 3-2 Waxahachie team, whose only losses are to Defending 4A State Champion Ennis and 5-0 Terrell High School.

Wanna talk about tough schedules....Garland has played pre-season hyped Plano East, Desoto, Dallas Carter, South Garland and on a 4A level...Defending 4A State Champ Ennis! Not a bad start...to be only 4-2...and both losses are by a touchdown or less. Garland is getting stronger as the year goes on...look out!!

Longview, overall, has a one big obstacle at the end of the year in John Tyler, will see.

[c-lisle]

Emphasis on could in you post great one. Longview would thrash alot of those teams, The ones you listed from region 2 would be good games but Longview would man handle some the others....schertz clemens, Carter(Longview owns them by the way), Garland(beat em many a time in the first round), PLANO, Westlake, Abilene. I think Longview would win easily over those I just listed. The others would be tough games.

[Lee05]

longview beat a pretty horrible lee team and all of a sudden they're STATE CHAMPS. yeah longview is good but there's no way you could tell from that game how they compare to other really good teams

[ktCarl]

WWWHHHHHOOOOOAAAAAA!!! Lobo fan. :eek: It's too early to make that kind of prediction. It's only the 2nd district game for Katy tonight with 4 more to go. Katy's got a real good team this season but I wouldn't even go out on a limb and say THEY are destined to win State. But I WAS impressed with the Lobos win last night.
Good luck for the rest of the season!! :cool:

[c-lisle]

Sometimes you just don't see a player being the future of a team. There were other backs at Longview when McGee was a soph, but he got the backup position. Coaches saw something in him. They were right...

IMO we would've been a better team with Vondrell starting his sophmore year, instead of Jerell.

[R E Lee]

The first second stringers I noticed in the game was a the 5:40 mark in the 4th, and they were in for both teams. Longview was clearly the better team and smoked us from the whistle, but you can't say Lee quit. They tackled better in the second half and they moved the ball pretty well. SEVEN FUMBLES AND 11 PENATIES were the main reasons they couldn't score.

Now, I would not doubt that the Lobo starters coasted a little. It is human nature with a lead like that. I thought Marcus did pretty good. The O-Line needs to get healty and mature. That will be the key to Lee making any kind of run for the playoffs.

[SLCDRGN]

Since Longview beat Lee last night, lets just go ahead and cancel the season & give them the hardware!!

[LoboFan07]

Since Longview beat Lee last night, lets just go ahead and cancel the season & give them the hardware!!

Nah...Let us beat Lp and ya'll then we can :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

I've seen Longview play, twice, this year....they've looked good. But there's at least 12-15 teams that can beat Longview.

Southlake Carroll...The passing attack is ferocious, superb technique.
Spring Westfield....The team is a beast....other squads need to be aware!
Euless Trinity...the tenacity, the power...the domination.
North Shore.....hard hitters...wow!! Hard to find a better group of athletes!
Lufkin....uhhh....how long has it been since Longview beat Lufkin?! Yeahhh!!!
Katy.....the tradition. A solid bunch of corn-fed young men!!
Copperas Cove.....looks very good, guys!!
Schertz-Clemens...solid..not great, but very good.
Dallas Carter.....got some good athletes. Beat a very good Garland High Team.
Austin Westlake...only loss is to 6-0 Leander.
Plano....uhhh...lets see, they average...40.6 pts a game, while giving up, only, [drum roll, please]....9.8 pts a game!!!!.......Nuff said!!
Converse Judson....only loss is to 5-0 CC and 4-1 Smithson Valley.
Smithson Valley...should be 5-0. Great team, that will build up speed on the way to the playoffs!!
Garland...only losses are to Desoto, in 5 overtimes....and 5-0 Dallas Carter.
Abilene....a sound squad!

Interseting note:...Desoto has loss to 5-0 Euless Trinity, 4-1 Arlington and a 3-2 Waxahachie team, whose only losses are to Defending 4A State Champion Ennis and 5-0 Terrell High School.

Wanna talk about tough schedules....Garland has played pre-season hyped Plano East, Desoto, Dallas Carter, South Garland and on a 4A level...Defending 4A State Champ Ennis! Not a bad start...to be only 4-2...and both losses are by a touchdown or less. Garland is getting stronger as the year goes on...look out!!

Longview, overall, has a one big obstacle at the end of the year in John Tyler, will see.


Several of those teams mentioned would not have much of a chance vs Longview. Plano?? I am not sold on them yet. Weren't they just 1-9 2 years ago and they were about 5-5 or 6-4 last year?? I just do not look at them as a power yet?? Beat some big time team and i will. The 2 championships are out of 8 teams and most should know who they are. This would be such a great year to have just one division and one champ wouldn't?? Makes me ill!!

[nate]

Longview did not look like a state champ last night. They won the game easily, but I didn't see a lot that was overly impressive against a very average opponent.

[LoboFan07]

Im sorry we could not impress you. The only thing that we care about is our 28 point victory. Trinity did the same thing, except it was closer at half time.

We have Rockwall to worry about now...not a State Championship

[BigArab]

Since Longview beat Lee last night, lets just go ahead and cancel the season & give them the hardware!!

If that's the case, then you guys certainly have been winning by large margins again. Been passing for a lot of yards again. Defense still giving up points to crappy teams again. Lets give you the hardware...we know you think you deserve it.

[drgnbkr]

Longview is in the hunt for a good run in the post season but there is a list of teams that are the equal of Longview...you deserve just as much grief as if I got on here & said "Carroll is going to win state!"...the Lobos are good but so are the other top teams..Lufkin, Katy, Carroll, SV & a couple of others...good luck & I'm sure Carroll would love to match-up with Longview..because to be the best you've got to beat the best...

[nate]

I'm not a "fan" of either SLC or Longview, but there's no way Longview's offense is close to the caliber of what the Dragons have had going for several years now. The passing yards put up by Longview last night were ugly yards - I would attribute them more to bad defensive play and luck than I would to great offensive execution.

In a matchup of the 2, I'd pick SLC by 15-20 points.

[Butch Fifield]

Plano?? I am not sold on them yet. Weren't they just 1-9 2 years ago and they were about 5-5 or 6-4 last year??

I am not sure how much consideration you should take into the last 2 years. If you consider that Plano lost to Plano West last year 33-10, but beat them 45-7 this year, why should last year be given any weight? Also Plano won 3 of their last 4 games last year.

This is a program with coaches that know what to do when they get in the playoffs. They have been there before and gone all the way.

I would not be making any statements like "Plano will win state this year", but I sure think the way they are playing that they have a shot.

[pack0808]

Again, I will be sold if they beat some legit teams and make a run in the playoffs until then i am not. Sorry!! I am sure many have the same opinion.

[LoboFan07]

I'll agree to that. They beat Plano West but Plano West is obviously not the team they were last year. Arent they already 3-2? 3-3? Something like that.

[Butch Fifield]

They beat Plano West but Plano West is obviously not the team they were last year.

Yes, that is the point. Teams change from one year to the next. It is better to look at what they have done this year, and how they progressed over the last 2 years to see how good they are.

Again, it would be stupid to say Plano is gonna win state. It would be stupid at this point to say that about any team.

[LoboFan07]

There is no question Plano has improved. We're not saying they haven't but...in all honesty do you think Plano would beat Longview right now? Thats the thing that we were disagreeing on.

[Butch Fifield]

in all honesty do you think Plano would beat Longview right now? Thats the thing that we were disagreeing on.

The statement was that those teams (including Plano) can beat Longview, not would beat Longview.

I think Plano could, in the playoffs, beat Longview. I think Plano's history has always been playing better in the playoffs than they did in the regular season.

The cool thing about high school football is that at some point we actually get to see it on the field, and not just wonder about it.

[bleed green]

longview will win state and slc doesn't scare me one bit after we beat lufkin everyone will know we are for real

[Redneckn]

longview will win state and slc doesn't scare me one bit after we beat lufkin everyone will know we are for real


Not gonna happen.

[SLCDRGN]

I will say it again........Longview has a good team. Just because they beat a team that is standing on one foot and about to go down for the count, I would not declare them the state champion. They will have to go through Lufkin to get to the semis and I am not sure they are capable. Based on past performance, they are beat before they step on the field against my second favorate team, Lufkin. Either way, I would be happy for SLC to play either!! I just hope SLC gets there!!

[bleed green]

i find it funny everyone in tyler is over hypin jt just because they are finally having a winning season

[westfieldlineman]

longview has a good team but they wont win state. SLC is too good and nobody will beat them. except for katy

[raidercheerdad]

[QUOTE=SLCDRGN]I think SLC matches up with Longview very well! This will be SLC's best defense in a long time. They will put 8 in the box and stuff their run. They will have to beat SLC with the pass & I don't think it will happen. I think Longview plays with SLC for a half & SLC pulls away BIG in the second. [QUOTE]

Stuffed the run against WHO? Name one offense that SLC has seen that is anywhere near the caliber of Longview or Euless Trinity! There's not one! I know SLC is very good this year as they always are but don't start talking about how they will STUFF Longview and Vondrell McGee! Brag about it after you do it if you get the chance!

[BigArab]

I will say it again........Longview has a good team. Just because they beat a team that is standing on one foot and about to go down for the count, I would not declare them the state champion. They will have to go through Lufkin to get to the semis and I am not sure they are capable. Based on past performance, they are beat before they step on the field against my second favorate team, Lufkin. Either way, I would be happy for SLC to play either!! I just hope SLC gets there!!

What will people say next week when you beat Denton Ryan, a struggling team. You will be praised by how high powered your offense is and how deep in the playoffs you'll go again. We do the same thing to a struggling Lee team and everyone is so quick to say that Lee is bad this year and thats why we destroyed them for 35 first half points. Who has SLC faced this season....really?

[bleed green]

well lee put 8 in the box to stop longview and longview took it outside and mcgee went over 100yds in the 1st quarter.Lee is down this year for sure but put 8 in the box and longview will out run you sideline to sideline.the reason longview didn't run up the score even more is respect for a rival and you have to remember one day the shoe will be on the other foot.