who has the best defense in texas?

[steeler 01]

just wondering.since everyone talks about offense.

[coesmiff07]

i would have to say the conroe tigers. now granted, our game agaisnt a strong lufkin team wasn't all that great. but when you look at our pre-district opponents, we shut them down. those teams couldn't do anything agaisnt us. the lufkin game was just a fluke however. look for the tiger defense this week to shut down the OSU commit goodson. he's going to be hurting after he plays us. we have a good defensive gameplan for collins this week. our coaches have us prepared and we have had a good week of practice.

if our offense did anything agaisnt lufkin besides the first drive, the lufkin game would of been totally different.

[Red Raiders]

Lufkin Lufkin Lufkin

[AllenEagle06]

Lufkin

[PantherStang84]

the lufkin game was just a fluke however

Yeah! That must have been it. A fluke! :rolleyes:

[BuffPride06]

Clemens Buffaloes, the stats say it all.

[GTown02]

Lufkin and Fluke dont belong in the same sentence! ;)

And Garland's defense is usualy good :cool:

[AllenEagle06]

Clemens Buffaloes, the stats say it all.

Stats can be misleading. The teams you beat say a lot more.

[PackAttack2005]

I can't stop laughing at the Conroe guy, he needs to know that a fluke is if it were a close game. It wasn't, Lufkin won 34 -7 mainly because Lufkin had the dominate defense of the two.

[tigersdad09]

Strake has the best defense...seems they shut Katy out in all stats this year.... :D

[GTown02]

Strake has the best defense...seems they shut Katy out in all stats this year.... :D
I was shocked about that game... Katy didnt know what to do.. its as if they werent even on the field! :rolleyes:

[Ladypack34]

Lufkin .........

Leonard Hewitt
Mandela Roberts
AJ Penson
Eric Taylor
Randall Murphy
Robert Taylor
Roger Hurts

.......................what else needs to be said?

[LUFPAN]

i would have to say the conroe tigers. now granted, our game agaisnt a strong lufkin team wasn't all that great. but when you look at our pre-district opponents, we shut them down. those teams couldn't do anything agaisnt us. the lufkin game was just a fluke however. look for the tiger defense this week to shut down the OSU commit goodson. he's going to be hurting after he plays us. we have a good defensive gameplan for collins this week. our coaches have us prepared and we have had a good week of practice.

if our offense did anything agaisnt lufkin besides the first drive, the lufkin game would of been totally different.

You lose 34-7 against a team that played its subs most of the 2nd half and your losing was just a fluke? Smoking that stuff just aint legal. :cool:

[Ladypack34]

i would have to say the conroe tigers. now granted, our game agaisnt a strong lufkin team wasn't all that great. but when you look at our pre-district opponents, we shut them down. those teams couldn't do anything agaisnt us. the lufkin game was just a fluke however. look for the tiger defense this week to shut down the OSU commit goodson. he's going to be hurting after he plays us. we have a good defensive gameplan for collins this week. our coaches have us prepared and we have had a good week of practice.

if our offense did anything agaisnt lufkin besides the first drive, the lufkin game would of been totally different.

notice that your offense didnt do ANYTHING against Lufkin...notice that...please LOL....

[Slim-Rob]

Judson has a good D.

PAPG is 13.4, but that is with the Offense giving up some. Our defense is very fast and tough. Thew would have less PAPG if the offense didn't give the other team the ball inside the 50 so many times. I don't know yards

[westfieldlineman]

westfield, very big and fast

[drgnbkr]

Lufkin .........

Leonard Hewitt
Mandela Roberts
AJ Penson
Eric Taylor
Randall Murphy
Robert Taylor
Roger Hurts

.......................what else needs to be said?

Dragons.....

[Ladypack34]

Dragons.....


to tell you the truth I havent seen anything about the SLC "D" this year...so I'm sure they are very good...not to be rude...or disrespectful...but I'm sure our D is better

[AllenEagle06]

SLC's defense allows too many points. But they can easily outscore most teams anyway.

[Ladypack34]

yeah and just because your offense can put a big score on the board doesnt mean that you have a good D even if you do blow the other team out by 30 pts

[RidgePride]

yeah and just because your offense can put a big score on the board doesnt mean that you have a good D even if you do blow the other team out by 30 pts
Southlakes defense is on the field too long because they score so quickly

[PantherStang84]

to tell you the truth I havent seen anything about the SLC "D" this year...so I'm sure they are very good...not to be rude...or disrespectful...but I'm sure our D is better

Fish on!!! :cool:

This thread is going to be fun.

[drgnbkr]

SLC's defense allows too many points. But they can easily outscore most teams anyway.

It's been a looong time since the D has allowed more points than they scored....

[Ladypack34]

SLC offense over-shadows their defense....by far...

[t00 playa]

yeah and just because your offense can put a big score on the board doesnt mean that you have a good D even if you do blow the other team out by 30 pts

and just because you can read your team program and list some names doesnt mean much either.... teams played and stats are a better snapshot

[Red Raiders]

SLC offense over-shadows their defense....by far...

Southlake Carroll defense ain't that good at all but there offense is too powerful.

[Ladypack34]

and just because you can read your team program and list some names doesnt mean much either.... teams played and stats are a better snapshot


listen...for one...no need for an attitude...because you can take that some where else...for 2...sorry i dont keep the stat sheet right in front of me at all times...im sure you do though...most ppl know who hewitt and mandela are....thanks though....

[t00 playa]

listen...for one...no need for an attitude...because you can take that some where else...for 2...sorry i dont keep the stat sheet right in front of me at all times...im sure you do though...most ppl know who hewitt and mandela are....thanks though....

woah, a threat..ha ha... anyway.... well you obviously keep a program in front of you, bring some better evidence of your fabulous D.. not just role call.... thanks, i didnt think you could... but "thanks though"

[t00 playa]

listen...for one...no need for an attitude...because you can take that some where else...for 2...sorry i dont keep the stat sheet right in front of me at all times...im sure you do though...most ppl know who hewitt and mandela are....thanks though....



besides, defenses are units, not just "names" you can have all the best names and them not be effective as they look on paper.. thats what my point was... you can have an all star roll call ...but not the best defensive unit.. so just listing names... doesnt mean they are the best defensive unit...it just told us that u keep ur game programs in front of you.. because defenses are units... not names....but dont get me wrong.. theres nothing wrong with just listing names..but also give us some teams.. or.. some stats that back them up....

later

=)

[eagleike]

hate to admit it but Lufkin has it all this year on defense. And I have seen all their best over the years but this group is something.

dream match-up............LP's D and Longview's O........coming to a theater near you...........very soon!!! :eek:

[AllenEagle06]

Allen and Lufkin have met a lot in the past years and they cream us every time. Last time was 2002 in Tyler Rose Stadium. All I remember is that their players were huge and we could hardly score on them. 28-6

[PantherStang84]

hate to admit it but Lufkin has it all this year on defense. And I have seen all their best over the years but this group is something.

I have to agree with Ike here. I won't say they are the best because I haven't seen many other teams from around the state. I have been going to the games since Coach O came to town. This is the best defensive group I've seen so far in purple. Back during spring ball Coach Quick could be seen around town with a smile on his face. This from a man who never simles according to my son. I know what he was smiling about now.

I know Lufkin hasn't played any great teams this year yet. But these guys made my jaw drop during the Eisenhower game. Scary good D this year. O is coming around.

[Ladypack34]

woah, a threat..ha ha... anyway.... well you obviously keep a program in front of you, bring some better evidence of your fabulous D.. not just role call.... thanks, i didnt think you could... but "thanks though"

no threat...but no i dont have the program..all i did was name so ppl..so you need to chill out...

[BigArab]

Lufkin .........

Leonard Hewitt
Mandela Roberts
AJ Penson
Eric Taylor
Randall Murphy
Robert Taylor
Roger Hurts

.......................what else needs to be said?

What else needs to be said?...I very close game with Nac.
But besides that, that team has ALWAYS been full of headhunters.

[pack0808]

Arab the close game for the first time in a century with Nac was nothing to do with the defense. The 1st string defense gave up one td to Nac after a turnover on the 9 yard line in Lufkin's territory. The other score came after the score was 27-7 with 1 minute left vs Lufkin's 2nd string on a 70 yard td pass to make the score 27-14. The defense dominated like they usually do in that one. Tonight they gave up 14 total yards and -2 rushing on 39 carries vs a very bad oak ridge team. I have said it many times, this is one of the best and fastest defenses i have every seen. There is at least 7 to 8 future div1a prospect's on this unit alone and i kid you not!! :eek: The 2003 had 7 future div1a recruits and i think this defense is even better!!

Oh and i got a score for you mr Arab!! Marshall beat Nac in a very close game tonight 21-13!! :eek: I told you they have improved 200 percent!! When they lost to Kilgore in a close game Nac dominated the 2nd half and had more total yards for the game then Kilgore. A int for a td and a kickoff for a td was the key to that game. Nac is a lot better then you are giving them credit for. They are nothing like the laughable nac teams of the past i am telling you. Ask 2 4a power's Marshall and Kilgore!!

[BigArab]

Arab the close game for the first time in a century with Nac was nothing to do with the defense. The 1st string defense gave up one td to Nac after a turnover on the 9 yard line in Lufkin's territory. The other score came after the score was 27-7 with 1 minute left vs Lufkin's 2nd string on a 70 yard td pass to make the score 27-14. The defense dominated like they usually do in that one. Tonight they gave up 14 total yards and -2 rushing on 39 carries vs a very bad oak ridge team. I have said it many times, this is one of the best and fastest defenses i have every seen. There is at least 7 to 8 future div1a prospect's on this unit alone and i kid you not!! :eek: The 2003 had 7 future div1a recruits and i think this defense is even better!!

Oh and i got a score for you mr Arab!! Marshall beat Nac in a very close game tonight 21-13!! :eek: I told you they have improved 200 percent!! When they lost to Kilgore in a close game Nac dominated the 2nd half and had more total yards for the game then Kilgore. A int for a td and a kickoff for a td was the key to that game. Nac is a lot better then you are giving them credit for. They are nothing like the laughable nac teams of the past i am telling you. Ask 2 4a power's Marshall and Kilgore!!

Nac is good. Never said they weren't. That QB is reallly good.

But when you or any other Lufkinite starts to open their mouth about the strength of Longview's schedule because they played a 4A team, just keep in mind that you did it too. Gotta keep those rivalries going after all.

[pack0808]

True!! The rivalries are a necesity!!

[BigArab]

True!! The rivalries are a necesity!!

I ALWAYS loved the Longview/Marshall game. Never knew what to expect. Trash on the field, dead coyotes hanging from the tennis courts, city limit signs misssing. I love it!

[dragons08]

Southlake Carroll defense ain't that good at all but there offense is too powerful.
"aint that good at all", this defense, for the amount of time they are on the field, and how many times they get the job done is incredible, imagine if we play a game where the offense doesnt score under 2 min everytime, how good our d will be? our d is in GREAT shape, they have to be, to be on the field so much. i like how our defense is underrated, i think our d is better than last years

[ktCarl]

Well, big DUH!! Everybody says their team has the best defense. Big surprise. Any of the good teams that are winning have good defenses 'cause the other teams just can't score enough on them.
Since I'm from Katy I'll say Katy has a good defense. Anyone suprised by that comment?

Let's see statistical support for all ya'lls teams. I just got Katy's last night.
Katy is holding opponents.. 9.2 ppg that's overall games with 1st and 2nd string. 5.2 ppg with just the starting defense.

[RockinL]

If SLC had a D that matched their offense, they would be one of the most complete and dominate HS teams ever.

[PackAttack2005]

Lufkin through 5 games is allowing 7.2 ppg overall and 4.0 ppg with 1st team defense in the game.

[gritty52]

Steeler 01 are you in Cal? If you are I have a nephew at Colton. :)

[c-lisle]

The thread asks who has the best D. Lufkin has the best all round defense in the State. All state safety, good corners, great LBs and Dline. When you are talking defense it's Lufkin first then the rest.

[ktCarl]

The thread asks who has the best D. Lufkin has the best all round defense in the State. All state safety, good corners, great LBs and Dline. When you are talking defense it's Lufkin first then the rest.


Right. That proves nothing. PackAttack2005 understood what I was getting at. Support your claims with the stats. I was making the point that everyone whose team is good is going to say "Our D is best". I was wanting to see the defensive stats of everyone's team to make the thread more interesting.

[Favpack]

i would have to say the conroe tigers. now granted, our game agaisnt a strong lufkin team wasn't all that great. but when you look at our pre-district opponents, we shut them down. those teams couldn't do anything agaisnt us. the lufkin game was just a fluke however. look for the tiger defense this week to shut down the OSU commit goodson. he's going to be hurting after he plays us. we have a good defensive gameplan for collins this week. our coaches have us prepared and we have had a good week of practice.

if our offense did anything agaisnt lufkin besides the first drive, the lufkin game would of been totally different.

Klein Collins lit up Conroe for 38 last night and they've been struggling on O all year. You do wonder where these thoughts come from.

I'd say the top ranked teams all have good defenses. SLC is notorious for simply getting a team out of its rythm, but they usually don't have defensive playmakers. The SV D is strong, as is Katy's - both very disciplined. Lufkin and Longview both have the fastest, most aggressive D's -- sometimes overly-so as over-pursuit can be an issue.

Not sure about Spring Westfield or Trinity - but I'm sure they're pretty loaded on D as well.

[RockinL]

I'd rather Longview play against any defense in the state other than Lufkin. Year in and out, Lufkin gets my vote.

Longview has a pretty salty D this year too.

[westfieldlineman]

Klein Collins lit up Conroe for 38 last night and they've been struggling on O all year. You do wonder where these thoughts come from.

I'd say the top ranked teams all have good defenses. SLC is notorious for simply getting a team out of its rythm, but they usually don't have defensive playmakers. The SV D is strong, as is Katy's - both very disciplined. Lufkin and Longview both have the fastest, most aggressive D's -- sometimes overly-so as over-pursuit can be an issue.

Not sure about Spring Westfield or Trinity - but I'm sure they're pretty loaded on D as well.

Spring westfield is loaded on d. good d-line, fast linebackers, and a very good secondary. in 4 games we have gave up 32 points. and the offense averages 43 points a game

[BigArab]

Lufkin through 5 games is allowing 7.2 ppg overall and 4.0 ppg with 1st team defense in the game.

I guess I'll follow Pack's lead and post some stats.

Longview's D allowing 9.2 points per game. 1st team only allowing 4.2.

[Favpack]

Right. That proves nothing. PackAttack2005 understood what I was getting at. Support your claims with the stats. I was making the point that everyone whose team is good is going to say "Our D is best". I was wanting to see the defensive stats of everyone's team to make the thread more interesting.

The Lufkin first team D has only allowed two TD's all year through 5 games on any kind of sustained drive - one to Conroe and one to Port Arthur Memorial. Nac. scored on a 10 yard drive off a fumble. All other scores have been on second team. But, Lufkin hasn't played a top 25 team yet - so, it's hard to say if that continues.

[BigArab]

The Lufkin first team D has only allowed two TD's all year through 5 games on any kind of sustained drive - one to Conroe and one to Port Arthur Memorial. Nac. scored on a 10 yard drive off a fumble. All other scores have been on second team. But, Lufkin hasn't played a top 25 team yet - so, it's hard to say if that continues.

Impressive....but I can't see that streak breaking any time soon. Those guys are maniacs.

1st team allowed those 16 points vs. Marshall in Week Zero and then didn't allow another TD until last week against Mesquite Horn. One thing has become evident through all these games, first and second team d alike: when someone has the ball, you're going to see 3 or 4 green helmets around it. Same with Lufkin.

[c-lisle]

Right. That proves nothing. PackAttack2005 understood what I was getting at. Support your claims with the stats. I was making the point that everyone whose team is good is going to say "Our D is best". I was wanting to see the defensive stats of everyone's team to make the thread more interesting.


I'm not a Lufkin fan, I'm from Longview. I'm telling you that Lufkin's D is better than Lview overall, and Lview's D is pretty dang good. You really can't tell from stats anyways b/c most teams strength of schedule varies greatly. If I could have any D in the state it would be Lufkin's.

[ktCarl]

The Lufkin first team D has only allowed two TD's all year through 5 games on any kind of sustained drive - one to Conroe and one to Port Arthur Memorial. Nac. scored on a 10 yard drive off a fumble. All other scores have been on second team. But, Lufkin hasn't played a top 25 team yet - so, it's hard to say if that continues.


Still sounds like a good D and now if the other guys can up with their team stats.............

[BigArab]

I'm not a Lufkin fan, I'm from Longview. I'm telling you that Lufkin's D is better than Lview overall, and Lview's D is pretty dang good. You really can't tell from stats anyways b/c most teams strength of schedule varies greatly. If I could have any D in the state it would be Lufkin's.

Oh of course...I'm just posting some stats. I agree with you....Lufkin's is the best.

[Eagles52]

All of you have good pionts about the big d's in the state. but your forgeting about Abilene highs. We have held offences to less than 2 touchdowns in the first half and less in the 2nd half. And what makes us evan better is that when our offence strugles at times, our defence can still hold strong. Which explains why were a perfect 6-0. Plus our offence is still explosive and can score pionts.