Longview vs Tyler Lee

[PurpleNation]

Wow 29 Seconds TD McGee. I had a sick feeling that Lee might win this one, but Vondrell pretty much erased it with his last carry.

[PurpleNation]

Lee is doing a great Job upfront clogging the holes its just that McGee is getting to the edge.. As I am Typing I will say never mind TD Chris Ivory 13 yard pass from Freemen.

14-0 Longview with 6:43

[Lee05]

this is the worst team we've had since 1997

[garlandredraider]

since no one is replying to me... keep your ears open for the Garland vs South garland game. Loser will probably face Longview

[drgnbkr]

IMO...it's not so much that Longview is that good..it's that Lee is in a re-building year....I'm sticking to my opinion..Longview..beat Lufkin & you've got my respect...until then, it's the same old song...IMO..which is worth ?

[Red Raiders]

Its 21-0 Lobos in First Quarter

[Red Raiders]

2nd Quarter 11 minutes
28 Lobos
0 Red Raiders

[drgnbkr]

28-0 Lobos...the rout is on...

[ktCarl]

Lobos look good. Too much for Tyler Lee.

[Ladypack34]

IMO...it's not so much that Longview is that good..it's that Lee is in a re-building year....I'm sticking to my opinion..Longview..beat Lufkin & you've got my respect...until then, it's the same old song...IMO..which is worth ?


THANK YOU!!....most people talk like Longview has already beaten LUFKIN....but the Lobos do have my respect...very good team....very good

[Red Raiders]

28 Lobos
7 Red Raiders

2nd Quarter 7 Mins

Red Raider QB Marcus Jackson had a very nice touchdown throw from 25 yards line to the end of the goal line perfectly throw.

Our other 1st QB was injured from last game vs Rockwall (21-14 Lost)

[ktchamp97]

That was one insane catch by Jonathan Williams...wow.

[supercentex]

If Lufkin and Longview play again in the playoffs..i'll be at that one!

[SLCDRGN]

Tyler Lee looks horribe. No wonder they have lost SO many games. I heard Lee is playing without 4 starters....QB/OL/DL. Trinity could have scored triple digits against this team!!

SLC puts 8 in the box and stops Longview. Longview would have a very difficult time passing on SLC. I think SLC would give Longview a pretty good beating!! SLC defense matches-up very well against Longview!!

[The Great Evaluator]

I feel sorry for Lee, they're banged up and obviously not playing with any confidence. It's a fine line in High School Football between playing with confidence and playing with uncertainty. I'm afraid the brutal schedule they've played has taken its toll. As for Longview, I would rate them a notch below Southlake and dead even with Euless Trinity. Vittatoe is a better QB than Carlin and the backfield of Nance and Handy versus McGee and Ivory is almost dead even. O-line goes to Trinity, but the biggest separation may be the receivers. I think Longview's are noticably better than Trinity's They have size and athletic ability that is superior to Trinity's. Very impressed with the Lobos, they won't be challenged until the playoffs. Would love to see them and Trinity get together!

[wide-e-wide]

If the Lufkin/Longview...somehow ends up in Waco...which it won't....but I hope it does...pre-game B-B-Q and post-game beer bash is a Wide's house....who's comin'?

If Lufkin/SLC play...pre-game B-B-Q and old school/new school football game at Cameron Park....post game beer bash at Wide's...if Lufkin wins...everybody is invited...in the event that Lufkin loses...only Lufkin natives are allowed at the beer bash...

[Red Raiders]

1:11 1st Quarter

Longview - 35
Tyler Lee - 7

Longview has one heck offense and is more likely can beat Euless Trinity! Imagine if Malcolm Kelly was playing in there if he was a senior, This team would be have been the best team like 2003 North Shore. I am telling you, Longview is one heck offense and ok defense. We lost our 1st QB.

[Red Raiders]

Wow 29 Seconds TD McGee. I had a sick feeling that Lee might win this one, but Vondrell pretty much erased it with his last carry.

I already knew Longview going to win... we just don't have our QB now...

[kttigersrock]

SLC puts 8 in the box and stops Longview. Longview would have a very difficult time passing on SLC. I think SLC would give Longview a pretty good beating!! SLC defense matches-up very well against Longview!!

Now, now.....that sounds familiar....8 in the box was going to stop Katy in 2003. James Aston had about 300 yards in that game as I recall, and a state championship to boot ;)

The Lobos look great - in all aspects. Good luck everyone!!! Playoffs should be great this year!!!!

[drgnbkr]

If the Lufkin/Longview...somehow ends up in Waco...which it won't....but I hope it does...pre-game B-B-Q and post-game beer bash is a Wide's house....who's comin'?

If Lufkin/SLC play...pre-game B-B-Q and old school/new school football game at Cameron Park....post game beer bash at Wide's...if Lufkin wins...everybody is invited...in the event that Lufkin loses...only Lufkin natives are allowed at the beer bash...

Come on wide...give it up for the Dragons....what?

[SLCDRGN]

Katy could have lost that state championship game as well as won it. Still one of the overall best games I have ever watched even though SLC lost.

[NewSherriffInTown]

Wide...am I invited?? I'm definitely up for a football game, show you Texans how to play :p

[RidgePride]

Now, now.....that sounds familiar....8 in the box was going to stop Katy in 2003. James Aston had about 300 yards in that game as I recall, and a state championship to boot ;)

The Lobos look great - in all aspects. Good luck everyone!!! Playoffs should be great this year!!!!
I think SLC would shred the Lobo defense but the game would be still pretty close.

[wide-e-wide]

Wide...am I invited?? I'm definitely up for a football game, show you Texans how to play :p


Certainly...However, there is a 12pk cover charge for yankees...sorry...rules are rules. haha

[kttigersrock]

Katy could have lost that state championship game as well as won it. Still one of the overall best games I have ever watched even though SLC lost.

This is true, but we won.

I agree. Best game I have ever watched in person.

Who knows? Maybe a rematch in December?

Good luck!!!

[NewSherriffInTown]

what do Y'ALL drink?


We only drink the high end stuff up in Westchester.

[wide-e-wide]

Well WE...meaning I...drink Miller Lite here in Waco. But you can drink whatevewr you like...except Zima.

Good job Lobos...look really solid out there.

[NewSherriffInTown]

What's with the 30 minute halftime?? it's longer than the game...holy crap. How can anyone get up for the second half??

[TrojanHorse03]

Unfortunately I havent had an opportunity to catch the entire game(damn work) however from what I've seen with score already 35-7 I've seen very few kinks in Longviews armor. However I'm only gonna disagree with the Great Evaluator on Longview having better receivers than Trinity. However since I have plenty of respect for Eval it aint worth debating. Pt. is this has been a nearly flawless performance as the 3rd quarter plays out.

[wide-e-wide]

Question for Tyler Lee fans...
The camera just pulled back to show the game stats..
and the 4th Qtr. just started...why are there only like 12 people
in the bleachers on the Lee side??
Fox Sports Net...Old district rival...down by 4 td's wtih an entire quarter
left to play.........and you get up and leave? Say it ain't so Lee.

[kttigersrock]

I thought the exact thing....and on TV, too. So much for Texas being rabid about their football :(

[wide-e-wide]

And before somebody else says it...don't give me the "they have to work tomorrow" garbage. Guess what...the kids have to go to school and they are still out there...I am very disappointed.

Meanwhile...somewhere in Ohio...some moronic Colerain fan sees that...and laughs for 30 minutes.

[drgnbkr]

The Longview side was'nt full at the start of the game..whats up with that?

[TrojanHorse03]

C'mon!!!

[TrojanHorse03]

Who wants to see a rout? :D

[Red Raiders]

Longview - 35
Tyler Lee - 7

FINAL

[wide-e-wide]

Who wants to see a rout? :D

A true fan...
I'm tired as hell..and have to be at work in the morning..but I just sat through the entire Astros game..hoping they could pull it off somehow..that's what true fans do.

[Ladypack34]

A true fan...
I'm tired as hell..and have to be at work in the morning..but I just sat through the entire Astros game..hoping they could pull it off somehow..that's what true fans do.


yeah ....poor astros...but at least my man (bagwell) did good yesterday :D

[myround0]

Tyler Lee looks horribe. No wonder they have lost SO many games. I heard Lee is playing without 4 starters....QB/OL/DL. Trinity could have scored triple digits against this team!!

SLC puts 8 in the box and stops Longview. Longview would have a very difficult time passing on SLC. I think SLC would give Longview a pretty good beating!! SLC defense matches-up very well against Longview!!


You put eight in the box and you will get passed on like crazy and it is not like Carroll is immune to being scored on...Carroll will give up some points...

[PurpleNation]

A true fan...
I'm tired as hell..and have to be at work in the morning..but I just sat through the entire Astros game..hoping they could pull it off somehow..that's what true fans do.


Im sorry everbody but I am a Braves fan I know I know what on the hell is a Braves fan doing in East Texas. So with that Go Atlanta.

[DragonNation]

Looks like it will be the Dragons and the Lobos for the north zone title.

[wide-e-wide]

Huh?

[CoveFan05]

what do Y'ALL drink?


We only drink the high end stuff up in Westchester.


I'll take a 12pk of Bud Light or Shiner Bock...

[BigArab]

Question for Tyler Lee fans...
The camera just pulled back to show the game stats..
and the 4th Qtr. just started...why are there only like 12 people
in the bleachers on the Lee side??
Fox Sports Net...Old district rival...down by 4 td's wtih an entire quarter
left to play.........and you get up and leave? Say it ain't so Lee.

That's because Tyler Lee fans are wishy washy and were originally JT fans, but have since abandoned them for the "up and coming team". You'll start to see more JT fans after this game. They'll just slowly migrate their way back over until the stands look like JT's games at the end of last season.

[BigArab]

The Longview side was'nt full at the start of the game..whats up with that?

Rose Stadium is ridiculous trying to get in and out of. First of all, there are only two tiny two lane roads in and out of the stadium, so it bottlenecks you in, and then there are a bunch of police officers and traffic people who have no idea what each of them are doing when it comes to showing you where to park. A cop will send you one way, only to be sent back another way by another cop. When you finally figure out to just park in a neighborhood nearby, it still takes nearly 30 minutes to walk to the stadium and make your way through the ridiculous amount of people.

[c-lisle]

Tyler Lee looks horribe. No wonder they have lost SO many games. I heard Lee is playing without 4 starters....QB/OL/DL. Trinity could have scored triple digits against this team!!

SLC puts 8 in the box and stops Longview. Longview would have a very difficult time passing on SLC. I think SLC would give Longview a pretty good beating!! SLC defense matches-up very well against Longview!!


You might be in for a rude awakening later this season. Explain how SLC defense matches up well with Longview.

[Jtate862003]

Ill Put longview over euless trinity...ill put longview over lufkin....the only team i see longview losing too this year is slc if they lose to them it will be one good game........Its not that lee was exactly playing bad this game althought they didnt play errror free, they played better than at rockwall....and ill have to say that little qb marcus jackson is really good.......
BUt longview is the REAL DEAL......

[PackAttack2005]

What if the Lobos go Divsion I? It's a possiblility if JT and Horn make the other two slots.

[Favpack]

Well...I said Longview was the team to beat in DII back in June and I still stand by that statement. Chris Ivory would start at tb at virtually every school in Texas except 2 or 3. McGee is possibly the best rb in Texas, and hasn't even played a full game yet.

Yes, Lee was pretty whipped going in, but Longview had this game salted midway through the first qtr. and Lee is at least the fourth best team in this district. I think Lee will regroup and fight for the final spot - but who knows.

Longview is very good, no glaring weaknesses at all. They are solid, though not spectacular on D. The O is pretty darn lethal.

Smaller Weaknesses for Longview? Freeman has essentially no arm strength - any pass over 25 yards is going to be much easier to defend with a good secondary. As someone stated - Longview will have to contend with 8 in the box against good teams - and Freeman will have to deliver. He's certainly capable - but he's not a top 10 qb in Texas. Plus, a good D line will get hands up when he passes. The kid is 5'8" in shoes. And, Longview's D is going to be at least a little suspect on pass coverage. The D line is good, but not super fast, and the d-backs are good, but smaller (as are most).

Longview is a bit banged up on D - but that D is plenty good enough to beat anyone but SLC right now. I think they still have two D starters out, not sure of their status. Bottom line - I see no upsets to Longview before a deep playoff run.

I also think we need to remember they played a Lee team that is just plain defeated right now. Hope Lee regroups - sad to see.

[BigArab]

Well...I said Longview was the team to beat in DII back in June and I still stand by that statement. Chris Ivory would start at tb at virtually every school in Texas except 2 or 3. McGee is possibly the best rb in Texas, and hasn't even played a full game yet.

Yes, Lee is bad, but Longview had this game salted midway through the first qtr. and Lee is at least the fourth best team in this district. I think Lee will regroup and fight for the final spot - but who knows.

Longview is very good. They are solid, though not spectacular on D. The O is pretty darn lethal.

Weaknesses for Longview? Freeman has essentially no arm strength - any pass over 25 yards is going to be much easier to defend with a good secondary. As someone stated - Longview will have to contend with 8 in the box against good teams - and Freeman will have to deliver. He's certainly capable - but he's not a top 10 qb in Texas. Plus, a good D line will get hands up when he passes. The kid is 5'8" in shoes.

Longview is a bit banged up on D - but that D is plenty good enough to beat anyone but SLC on a good night. I think they still have two D starters out, not sure of their status. Bottom line - Longview is plenty good enough to take state, but they're not invincible.

I also think we need to remember they played a Lee team that is just plain defeated right now. Hope Lee regroups - sad to see.

One of them will be back by the playoffs. The other one is out for the year. But you have to admit...that defense is full of headhunters.

[PantherStang84]

Well...I said Longview was the team to beat in DII back in June and I still stand by that statement.

Well. I guess there is no need for me to plan road trips in December then. Its already settled. :rolleyes:

[c-lisle]

Well...I said Longview was the team to beat in DII back in June and I still stand by that statement. Chris Ivory would start at tb at virtually every school in Texas except 2 or 3. McGee is possibly the best rb in Texas, and hasn't even played a full game yet.

Yes, Lee was pretty whipped going in, but Longview had this game salted midway through the first qtr. and Lee is at least the fourth best team in this district. I think Lee will regroup and fight for the final spot - but who knows.

Longview is very good, no glaring weaknesses at all. They are solid, though not spectacular on D. The O is pretty darn lethal.

Smaller Weaknesses for Longview? Freeman has essentially no arm strength - any pass over 25 yards is going to be much easier to defend with a good secondary. As someone stated - Longview will have to contend with 8 in the box against good teams - and Freeman will have to deliver. He's certainly capable - but he's not a top 10 qb in Texas. Plus, a good D line will get hands up when he passes. The kid is 5'8" in shoes. And, Longview's D is going to be at least a little suspect on pass coverage. The D line is good, but not super fast, and the d-backs are good, but smaller (as are most).

Longview is a bit banged up on D - but that D is plenty good enough to beat anyone but SLC right now. I think they still have two D starters out, not sure of their status. Bottom line - I see no upsets to Longview before a deep playoff run.

I also think we need to remember they played a Lee team that is just plain defeated right now. Hope Lee regroups - sad to see.


Freeman has essentially no arm strength? You obviously weren't watching the game. He threw two or three bullets in one drive. He can't throw on the run but you give him time and he can throw very well. Pound for pound the best qb in 5a.

[SFAlobo]

Tyler Lee looks horribe. No wonder they have lost SO many games. I heard Lee is playing without 4 starters....QB/OL/DL. Trinity could have scored triple digits against this team!!

SLC puts 8 in the box and stops Longview. Longview would have a very difficult time passing on SLC. I think SLC would give Longview a pretty good beating!! SLC defense matches-up very well against Longview!!


Im not real sure that be effective for the entire game...SLC's defense is no where close to air tight and when they play a team that can score as much as them and play defense (Lufkin, ET, Longview, Westfield, NS) they will more than likely have a difficult run. But hey who doesn't. Im just not sold on the "outscore me if you can" theory. That can't work for too much longer. Right? :confused:
Oh yea...Katy, have to throw them in there too.

[pack0808]

I really feel Longview would have a very good shot at SLC but they have to beat some other very good teams first and one of them wear purple. Longview going to div1 is still not very likely to me!!

[Favpack]

Longview's ticket is punched - barring injuries - or a horrendous upset. I think Lufkin could very well be there for SFA Round 2 - or wherever it is played, but lots of football before that, so, I'll refrain.

Sorry to burst your bubble Rclisle - your green-tinted glasses are a little strong. Freeman is a very solid qb - likely good enough to wear a state ring. And, because I like Longview - I'll back off of that statement a little. Compared to the elite qb's in Texas - his arm strength is noticably inferior. And, his lack of arm strength could be an issue. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - I do - I've watched the kid several times -- and, unlike you, I'm unbiased. His pick against LP last year was a 20 yard out that floated badly - a beaten Ayres had ample time to step in front of it. Don't tell me about a 12 yard bullet - show me a 30 yard pass with tremendous zip/pop on it -- and I'll watch. His passes last night were on the money and his execution was solid, other than when he tried the cutesy hide the ball on your hip for 5 seconds that Lee snuffed out on the 5. Freeman won't beat you if you play Lobo ball - but his limited arm strength could be an issue. If Longview HAS to leave it's run orientation - they are in trouble.

[SLCDRGN]

Man for man, the SLC D matches up against Longview very well. I believe they will stop the run and Longview will struggle in their passing game. The SLC D struggles some with defending the spread. The old style of offense Longview runs suits SLC VERY well. SLC will backout of the 8-9 in the box once they get well ahead. Longview has never seen a passing game like SLC. This is not smack, it is personal opinion and not intended to stur up the longview faithful! I think Lufkin, Abilene & SV pose more of a threat to SLC but that is why they play the games!!

[pack0808]

Longview's ticket is punched - barring injuries - or a horrendous upset. I think Lufkin could very well be there for SFA Round 2 - or wherever it is played, but lots of football before that, so, I'll refrain.

Sorry to burst your bubble Rclisle - your green-tinted glasses are a little strong. Freeman is a very solid qb - likely good enough to wear a state ring. And, because I like Longview - I'll back off of that statement a little. Compared to the elite qb's in Texas - his arm strength is noticably inferior. And, his lack of arm strength could be an issue. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - I do - I've watched the kid several times -- and, unlike you, I'm unbiased. His pick against LP last year was a 20 yard out that floated badly - a beaten Ayres had ample time to step in front of it. Don't tell me about a 12 yard bullet - show me a 30 yard pass with tremendous zip/pop on it -- and I'll watch. His passes last night were on the money and his execution was solid, other than when he tried the cutesy hide the ball on your hip for 5 seconds that Lee snuffed out on the 5. Freeman won't beat you if you play Lobo ball - but his limited arm strength could be an issue. If Longview HAS to leave it's run orientation - they are in trouble.


I thought Lufkin's ticket was punched in 2003 but they ended up getting punched in a shocking upset in the 1st round. Once a team believes they have it made is when they will lose. Long season to go you are correct. Injuries, a bad game, etc etc can turnaround a season in a second. Nobody's ticket is punched yet!!

[bleedgreen]

Tyler Lee looks horribe. No wonder they have lost SO many games. I heard Lee is playing without 4 starters....QB/OL/DL. Trinity could have scored triple digits against this team!!

SLC puts 8 in the box and stops Longview. Longview would have a very difficult time passing on SLC. I think SLC would give Longview a pretty good beating!! SLC defense matches-up very well against Longview!!
goodness gracious, we are pretty confident aren't we SLCDRGN??? you will have to put a hell of alot more than 8 in the box to stop McGee....what do you think all of the other teams have been doing for the last 2 seasons?? it never works!! do you have a "magical" defense, or something?? i'm glad that other SLC fans on this site don't bragg and boast like you...watch out what you say, your streak just may end this season, if the cards fall right(like i think they may fall)....how do you like your crow cooked????????

[PantherStang84]

you will have to put a hell of alot more than 8 in the box to stop McGee....what do you think all of the other teams have been doing for the last 2 seasons?? it never works!!

On second thought maybe I won't highjack this thread. But it has worked! :D

[c-lisle]

Longview's ticket is punched - barring injuries - or a horrendous upset. I think Lufkin could very well be there for SFA Round 2 - or wherever it is played, but lots of football before that, so, I'll refrain.

Sorry to burst your bubble Rclisle - your green-tinted glasses are a little strong. Freeman is a very solid qb - likely good enough to wear a state ring. And, because I like Longview - I'll back off of that statement a little. Compared to the elite qb's in Texas - his arm strength is noticably inferior. And, his lack of arm strength could be an issue. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - I do - I've watched the kid several times -- and, unlike you, I'm unbiased. His pick against LP last year was a 20 yard out that floated badly - a beaten Ayres had ample time to step in front of it. Don't tell me about a 12 yard bullet - show me a 30 yard pass with tremendous zip/pop on it -- and I'll watch. His passes last night were on the money and his execution was solid, other than when he tried the cutesy hide the ball on your hip for 5 seconds that Lee snuffed out on the 5. Freeman won't beat you if you play Lobo ball - but his limited arm strength could be an issue. If Longview HAS to leave it's run orientation - they are in trouble.


Favpack my friend, if you were watching the game last night you would have seen 2 30 yd passes with plenty of zip on them. They were perfect passes. One was dropped by our best WR and the other was caught by Mcgee. I've been watching this kid throw 40 yd bombs for three years now. I know very well what he is capable of. I said pound for pound this kid is the best QB in Texas, of course I know there are D1 recruits much better than him in some aspects. That's not green tint, those are facts.

[c-lisle]

Man for man, the SLC D matches up against Longview very well. I believe they will stop the run and Longview will struggle in their passing game. The SLC D struggles some with defending the spread. The old style of offense Longview runs suits SLC VERY well. SLC will backout of the 8-9 in the box once they get well ahead. Longview has never seen a passing game like SLC. This is not smack, it is personal opinion and not intended to stur up the longview faithful! I think Lufkin, Abilene & SV pose more of a threat to SLC but that is why they play the games!!


You're obviously on up-to-date on Lviews offense. This is probably the best pass team in the history of LHS. We practice it alot but don't use it often b/c noone can stop our run game. You have it twisted, Lview will control the clock and not allow SLC to score 100 points and in the end your D will be dog tired and won't be able to finish strong.

[bleedgreen]

On second thought maybe I won't highjack this thread. But it has worked! :D
pantherstang---i guess that was a shot at me because yall beat us last year, right??? remember though, even though we lost, McGee still reeled off about 150(or was it 180) against that "strong" defense of yours, didn't he??? thank goodness for the 4 Ivory fumbles, huh???

[BigArab]

pantherstang---i guess that was a shot at me because yall beat us last year, right??? remember though, even though we lost, McGee still reeled off about 150(or was it 180) against that "strong" defense of yours, didn't he??? thank goodness for the 4 Ivory fumbles, huh???

I've said it on other sites, I'll say it again. As much as you'd like to think, you are not as strong without a 40 TD season from J Lane. You WERE NOT stopping Vondrell. When a guy shreds your D for 180 yards on only 18 carries and 2TDs, that is an embarrassment. We lost that game due to pride on a players part who didn't want to tell the coach about a broken hand, thereby costing the game. Those aren't green tinted glasses either. Those are facts you can't ignore. NOTHING like that will happen again. In the event of a rematch with Lufkin, I guarantee you the first time one of those guys fumbles , they're heading to the bench.

[DragonFan]

I would not start discussing recipies for Crow just yet! There is a lot of football to be played yet and anything can happen. With the Dragons, you have to stop the offense. Has longview ever faced an offense that Averages over 600 yards a game? The SLC defense is called on to make 2 or 3 stops a game and then give the ball to the offense. If you can make the Dragons punt 3 or more times a game you have a chance.

Tyler Lee's defense was able to force Longview to punt. When you play the Dragons, if your offense has to punt then you lose. That has been the formula for over 3 years now.

Until you have seen the Dragons play you do not understand my statements. I have seen Longview play and the Dragons play. Longviews secondary will be tourched, and when you adjust to protect the secondary the runners from SLC will pick up over 300 yards.

Watch the next game of the week on Fox Southwest SLC/Denton Ryan and you will see what I am talking about. Do not have your Denton Ryan is having a down year posts ready to go. Just watch the execution of the Dragons and the amount of offense playes they get in. It is at a whole different level than what you have seen so far.

Good luck Longview and Tyler Lee. I hope your wish of playing SLC comes true for both both Longview and SLC!

[pack0808]

I've said it on other sites, I'll say it again. As much as you'd like to think, you are not as strong without a 40 TD season from J Lane. You WERE NOT stopping Vondrell. When a guy shreds your D for 180 yards on only 18 carries and 2TDs, that is an embarrassment. We lost that game due to pride on a players part who didn't want to tell the coach about a broken hand, thereby costing the game. Those aren't green tinted glasses either. Those are facts you can't ignore. NOTHING like that will happen again. In the event of a rematch with Lufkin, I guarantee you the first time one of those guys fumbles , they're heading to the bench.


See what i mean Lufkin always gets involved in these topics and no no no!! losing 9 in a row to one team in 6 years is embarrassing not giving up 180 yards to a stud rb. Getting shutout on your homefield is embarrassing like Lufkin did to your beloved Lobos in 2003 not giving up 180 yards to a stud rb. I have never in my life heard so many excuses for a 10 point loss in my life. Yall have to get that under control it is embarrassing. The last time i checked when 2 even teams go at it the one who turns the ball over more loses 99 percent of the time. This is not earth shattering news it has been going on since the beginning of football. Get over it already!! it has been close to a year and your lobos still LOST the game!! Do you see us Panther fans making excuses to SLC fans about last year's game every 5 seconds?? NO!! Because we are man enough to admit our losses. Try it sometimes it is a good tension release technique!! ;)


Yall have a great team once again and i usually cheer for Longview vs everybody but Lufkin but some of you guys are making it extremely difficult.

[BigArab]

Has longview ever faced an offense that Averages over 600 yards a game?

We most certainly have. The defense held them to season lows each time.

[pack0808]

I have seen Lufkin play a lot of teams and SLC without a doubt is the best offense i have ever seen at the hs level. Yes Lufkin held them well below their average in yards and points in both games but it Lufkin rarely ever gives up 30 points in a game and SlC scored 30 plus both times. Lufkin scored 30 both times but the SLC defense just has to be solid not great. Trust me, their offense is special!! A slc vs Longview game would be fun to watch but i sure hope it does not happen. ;)

[DragonFan]

Last time I looked there were only a few teams averaging over 600 yards a game and none of them were Longviews opponents before you played them. (if they were then by your defense holding them to season low averages then that would mess up their average). I am not trying to downplay what Longview has done to date. Just trying to shed some light on claims that have been made in the jubilation of a great season to date.

[BigArab]

Last time I looked there were only a few teams averaging over 600 yards a game and none of them were Longviews opponents before you played them. (if they were then by your defense holding them to season low averages then that would mess up their average). I am not trying to downplay what Longview has done to date. Just trying to shed some light on claims that have been made in the jubilation of a great season to date.

I'm referring to past teams with defenses not as good as the one this year. Both were coming in with lots of yards and got dominated.

[PantherStang84]

Speaking from experience here. Pride cometh before the fall! I am not saying Lufkin will beat Longview again this year. Heck! I don't even know if they will get a chance to play each other this year.

I'm just saying coulda, woulda, shoulda is getting old. You say broken hand (I've also heard thumb?). I say hard hitting defense.

Two years ago at this time of the season I was looking forward to a Lufkin/SLC rematch.

BAM!

The wheels came off.

Anything can happen to a team. Anything!

BTW...I was just watching a replay of last year's game this morning. At the top of the broadcast they were saying Lufkin was willing to let McGee have his yards. The key was to stop Ivory. Broken hand (thumb) or not, stop him Lufkin did.

That was last year though. This year is different.

Longview is a great football team. So is Lufkin, SLC, Westfield, North Shore, SV, etc. (Attn posters: If I left your favorite team out of this list it was unintentional.)

Play the games and the playoff matchups will take care of themselves.

[BigArab]

Speaking from experience here. Pride cometh before the fall! I am not saying Lufkin will beat Longview again this year. Heck! I don't even know if they will get a chance to play each other this year.

I'm just saying coulda, woulda, shoulda is getting old. You say broken hand (I've also heard thunmb?). I say hard hitting defense.

Two years ago at this time of the season I was looking forward to a Lufkin/SLC rematch.

BAM!

The wheels came off.

Anything can happen to a team. Anything!

BTW...I was just watching a replay of last year's game this morning. At the top of the broadcast they were saying Lufkin was willing to let McGee have his yards. The key was to stop Ivory. Broken hand (thumb) or not, stop him Lufkin did.

That was last year though. This year is different.

Longview is a great football team. So is Lufkin, SLC, Westfield, North Shore, SV, etc. (Attn posters: If I left your favorite team out of this list it was unintentional.)

Play the games and the playoff matchups will take care of themselves.

True, but even if you stopped Ivory, which you did, he hadn't fumbled before that game. Suddenly fumbles 4 times in one game. Seems a bit fishy to me... It's not like we hadn't faced a hard hitting D that year.

But you're absolutely right. Would couda shoulda is a horrible way to go, but I guess it's a good thing that it's the fans saying this, not the team. The coaching staff have done a good job of programming them into thinking only one game at a time.

[Favpack]

LOL Big Arab - you make it sound like there was an odd conspiracy - it was "fishy" that Ivory coughs it up 4 times. How about Freeman's pick in that 4th qtr. drive? Did he have a sprained tooth? Give it up man - you're just asking for a thrashing on this forum when you come here with lame excuses.

After all you went through that day - Freeman can still march the team down and win. In fact - you had plenty enough time to ram McGee down our throats one last time -- and pull out the win.

Hummm, you seem to have forgotten - we SHUT DOWN McGee in the second half my green friend. He was held in check and Longview got 7 points after halftime adjustments. Seems your memory just won't admit you got beat by 10 by a better team that day.

Gimmee a break! Longview has a great team this year - possibly their best ever -- and you sure have a shot at state. But, give up last year for crying out loud.

[BigArab]

LOL Big Arab - you make it sound like there was an odd conspiracy - it was "fishy" that Ivory coughs it up 4 times. How about Freeman's pick in that 4th qtr. drive? Did he have a sprained tooth? Give it up man - you're just asking for a thrashing on this forum when you come here with lame excuses.

After all you went through that day - Freeman can still march the team down and win. In fact - you had plenty enough time to ram McGee down our throats one last time -- and pull out the win.

Hummm, you seem to have forgotten - we SHUT DOWN McGee in the second half my green friend. He was held in check and Longview got 7 points after halftime adjustments. Seems your memory just won't admit you got beat by 10 by a better team that day.

Gimmee a break! Longview has a great team this year - possibly their best ever -- and you sure have a shot at state. But, give up last year for crying out loud.

Sigh, it's too bad even your own radio commentator admitted that Longview was the better team that day. But I admitted defeat a long time ago...this is only in hopes of a rematch. It would be another great game.

[LoboFan07]

Here we go again..Why the heck does everything that involves Longview soon turn into Longview vs Lufkin..

I swore the title of this was Longview vs Tyler Lee

[BigArab]

Here we go again..Why the heck does everything that involves Longview soon turn into Longview vs Lufkin..

I swore the title of this was Longview vs Tyler Lee

Amen.

[DragonFan]

I can always try to bushwack this thread and make it into a SLC one! ;)

[Favpack]

Here we go again..Why the heck does everything that involves Longview soon turn into Longview vs Lufkin..

I swore the title of this was Longview vs Tyler Lee

Yep - agree totally LF 7 - go re-read Post Nos. 62 and 63 - there are your two culprits for bringing up Lufkin - Lobo brothers Bleedgreen and BigArab ;) :eek:

Later.

[c-lisle]

LOL Big Arab - you make it sound like there was an odd conspiracy - it was "fishy" that Ivory coughs it up 4 times. How about Freeman's pick in that 4th qtr. drive? Did he have a sprained tooth? Give it up man - you're just asking for a thrashing on this forum when you come here with lame excuses.

After all you went through that day - Freeman can still march the team down and win. In fact - you had plenty enough time to ram McGee down our throats one last time -- and pull out the win.

Hummm, you seem to have forgotten - we SHUT DOWN McGee in the second half my green friend. He was held in check and Longview got 7 points after halftime adjustments. Seems your memory just won't admit you got beat by 10 by a better team that day.

Gimmee a break! Longview has a great team this year - possibly their best ever -- and you sure have a shot at state. But, give up last year for crying out loud.

I think he meant it was not a coincidence that Ivory had 1 maybe 2 fumbles coming into the game with Lufkin and then has four in one game. It just reinforces the FACT that Ivory had a broken hand. Why is that so hard for some to grasp? I'm over last year but when it is brought up I will discuss it. I know Lufkin fans would love to credit their defense for the fumbles but that would be giving them too much credit. I think it will be much more difficult for Lufkin to meet us again this year. Pflugervile played with y'all for a half last year and then Lane won the game in the second half. Without Lane to bail you out we might be seeing Pflugy in the third round. I sure hope not though. In my opinion it will be a long day for Lufkin if we meet again.

[Favpack]

I think he meant it was not a coincidence that Ivory had 1 maybe 2 fumbles coming into the game with Lufkin and then has four in one game. It just reinforces the FACT that Ivory had a broken hand. Why is that so hard for some to grasp? I'm over last year but when it is brought up I will discuss it. I know Lufkin fans would love to credit their defense for the fumbles but that would be giving them too much credit. I think it will be much more difficult for Lufkin to meet us again this year. Pflugervile played with y'all for a half last year and then Lane won the game in the second half. Without Lane to bail you out we might be seeing Pflugy in the third round. I sure hope not though. In my opinion it will be a long day for Lufkin if we meet again.

Tsk, tsk - you boys just can't stand it when you get beat -- I've never seen people obsess with the past so much. Did Ivory's broken hand factor into Freeman's 4th quarter pick by Ayers that salted the game away. Oh, no wait - Jorvorski made that interception.

All your doing by talking this broken hand bit is admitting your coach must have had a brain freeze that day - he kept calling Ivory's number - lol. As I said - what was wrong with Freeman when he threw the pick? I think it was windy that day - or the sun got in his eye.

You guys are too funny.

I'll admit Lufkin was a one person team last year and doesn't stand a prayer this year in going anywhere when Longview admits the Lobos are the same one trick pony with McGee this year -- and will most assuredly be an "over-rated" team next year.

You go with your strengths guys - last year was last year just like '01 was '01 and '02 was '02, etc.

[SLCDRGN]

41 & Bleed,

Don't get your panties in a wad. Just because we think differently doesn't call for a bunch of homer crying!! If you guys would have read on, I clearly stated, "It is my opinion" & "that is why they play the game."

Longview looked good last night. I have to throw a disclaimer in there too because they whipped-up on a really down & out football team. I doubt Lee will even make the playoffs.

I hope you guys really don't think there is not a team in the State of Texas that could stop your running game. SLC has slowed/stopped many runningbacks in the State of Texas. The one that comes to mind is Evans at Irving HS. He averages 200-300 yards consistently a game against others. He has had very little luck against SLC. He is a very highly recruited runningback and may be very good if he keeps his nose clean. Please notice above I put slowed and not stopped.

[LoboFan07]

Lobo Fans, we all knew we wouldn't have everyone on our side until we beat the big dogs aka Lufkin aka SLC. Lets just go out finish our regular season then take on them and then maybe we can get them to "be on our side" if you know what I mean.

[PantherStang84]

Lobo Fans, we all knew we wouldn't have everyone on our side until we beat the big dogs aka Lufkin aka SLC. Lets just go out finish our regular season then take on them and then maybe we can get them to "be on our side" if you know what I mean.

Most sensible post from from our friends in green in a while! Good Luck folks. :)

[c-lisle]

Tsk, tsk - you boys just can't stand it when you get beat -- I've never seen people obsess with the past so much. Did Ivory's broken hand factor into Freeman's 4th quarter pick by Ayers that salted the game away. Oh, no wait - Jorvorski made that interception.

All your doing by talking this broken hand bit is admitting your coach must have had a brain freeze that day - he kept calling Ivory's number - lol. As I said - what was wrong with Freeman when he threw the pick? I think it was windy that day - or the sun got in his eye.

You guys are too funny.

I'll admit Lufkin was a one person team last year and doesn't stand a prayer this year in going anywhere when Longview admits the Lobos are the same one trick pony with McGee this year -- and will most assuredly be an "over-rated" team next year.

You go with your strengths guys - last year was last year just like '01 was '01 and '02 was '02, etc.


You'll just have to excuse us we have a 9 game losing streak hanging over us. LOL You would act very similar. Noone talks about the interception b/c had it not been for the broken hand causing fumbles the game would've been a blowout. Much like the game will be this year. My prediction if we meet again.....last year's game minus the fumbles. That means Longview wins big. And if we don't I will be the first to congratulate the Pack.

[Favpack]

Rclisle - I will end my Fri. afternoon discussion by saying I understand -- you guys are simply ready for some redemption and to get a monkey off your back.

I go back to my original point - Longview looked dominant last night - you guys have a special team that could run the table. Lufkin may have the chance to factor into that equation - it will be fun no doubt if it happens.

[BigArab]

Tsk, tsk - you boys just can't stand it when you get beat -- I've never seen people obsess with the past so much. Did Ivory's broken hand factor into Freeman's 4th quarter pick by Ayers that salted the game away. Oh, no wait - Jorvorski made that interception.

All your doing by talking this broken hand bit is admitting your coach must have had a brain freeze that day - he kept calling Ivory's number - lol. As I said - what was wrong with Freeman when he threw the pick? I think it was windy that day - or the sun got in his eye.

You guys are too funny.

I'll admit Lufkin was a one person team last year and doesn't stand a prayer this year in going anywhere when Longview admits the Lobos are the same one trick pony with McGee this year -- and will most assuredly be an "over-rated" team next year.

You go with your strengths guys - last year was last year just like '01 was '01 and '02 was '02, etc.

I find it comical with how much we're spreading the ball around that people still think we're a one trick pony...This is all too funny.

McGee 13 TD
Ivory 11 TD

hmmmm....

[pack0808]

Favpack it is pointless to argue with them about it. They are convinced they were 10 times the team Lufkin was last year and it was not for the broken hand/wrist/finger/thumb thing they would have won by 90. It is pointless man i have tried over and over trust me. They will never accept that "10" point loss ever!! You would think it was a 1 point loss?? I have seen them blame the Katy 24-3 championship loss in 97 on the player's partying the night before i kid you not!! Said they were too hungover. LMAO Again, trust me!! Do not waste your breath. I will probably continue arguing because that is just me. LOL But the Lufkin radio guy comment might have been the funniest one yet?? That is classic!! He has no idea the majority of Lufkin disagree's with that football moron 95 percent of the time. :D They will stop at nothing!! Next think ya know they are going to say they heard my mom said that Longview was the better team!! LOL

[LoboFan07]

Next think ya know they are going to say they heard my mom said that Longview was the better team!! LOL

Well actually...LMAO

But still I swore this was a Longview/Tyler Lee game thread but I might be wrong..

[myround0]

I would not start discussing recipies for Crow just yet! There is a lot of football to be played yet and anything can happen. With the Dragons, you have to stop the offense. Has longview ever faced an offense that Averages over 600 yards a game? The SLC defense is called on to make 2 or 3 stops a game and then give the ball to the offense. If you can make the Dragons punt 3 or more times a game you have a chance.

Tyler Lee's defense was able to force Longview to punt. When you play the Dragons, if your offense has to punt then you lose. That has been the formula for over 3 years now.

Until you have seen the Dragons play you do not understand my statements. I have seen Longview play and the Dragons play. Longviews secondary will be tourched, and when you adjust to protect the secondary the runners from SLC will pick up over 300 yards.

Watch the next game of the week on Fox Southwest SLC/Denton Ryan and you will see what I am talking about. Do not have your Denton Ryan is having a down year posts ready to go. Just watch the execution of the Dragons and the amount of offense playes they get in. It is at a whole different level than what you have seen so far.

Good luck Longview and Tyler Lee. I hope your wish of playing SLC comes true for both both Longview and SLC!

SouthLake...what team what offensive fire power team have you all faced this year...name one offensive juggernaut have you faced...I will admit, you defense gets really good practice facing your offense...but name one really talented offense you have faced this year and you have given up over 100 points...I admit you can stack the line and maybe slow down Mcgee and Ivory, but king has proven to be crafty, you know and i know the Lobos coach shut that game down in the second half putting the starters on the Bench after one series in the third quarter...I don't know if your D is better than Tyler Lee's D...and I am sure Mcelroy is nowhere near as elusive as the kid last night on Tyler Lee was...I say it will be an interesting game...Lobos 59-28...

[myround0]

Favpack my friend, if you were watching the game last night you would have seen 2 30 yd passes with plenty of zip on them. They were perfect passes. One was dropped by our best WR and the other was caught by Mcgee. I've been watching this kid throw 40 yd bombs for three years now. I know very well what he is capable of. I said pound for pound this kid is the best QB in Texas, of course I know there are D1 recruits much better than him in some aspects. That's not green tint, those are facts.

the one pass that sticks out is when the cornerback had time to recover and knock away a potential touchdown the receiver had his man beat...we don't have to stand up and speak for carlin...he played well last night...King shut down the attack because King is not like many coaches, he is not out to embarrass a team just secure his win and get home with his guys intact and leave the other teams program with some dignity...I just hope he doesn't miscalculate against SLC...the starters should be ready to go in that game at least 3 quarters, i don't care what the score is

[BigArab]

Favpack it is pointless to argue with them about it. They are convinced they were 10 times the team Lufkin was last year and it was not for the broken hand/wrist/finger/thumb thing they would have won by 90. It is pointless man i have tried over and over trust me. They will never accept that "10" point loss ever!! You would think it was a 1 point loss?? I have seen them blame the Katy 24-3 championship loss in 97 on the player's partying the night before i kid you not!! Said they were too hungover. LMAO Again, trust me!! Do not waste your breath. I will probably continue arguing because that is just me. LOL But the Lufkin radio guy comment might have been the funniest one yet?? That is classic!! He has no idea the majority of Lufkin disagree's with that football moron 95 percent of the time. :D They will stop at nothing!! Next think ya know they are going to say they heard my mom said that Longview was the better team!! LOL

Mockery is the ignorant man's weapon.

There is no excuse to the loss to Katy. Katy is a great team. If you must know, the "partying" rumor is true coming from a coach of the team. But believe what you want to believe. Mock some more...its all the same to me. At the end of the day, win or lose, I still support my Lobos. Go 'Bos.

[pack0808]

Mockery is the ignorant man's weapon.

There is no excuse to the loss to Katy. Katy is a great team. If you must know, the "partying" rumor is true coming from a coach of the team. But believe what you want to believe. Mock some more...its all the same to me. At the end of the day, win or lose, I still support my Lobos. Go 'Bos.


If that is the truth then the Longview 97 team was the dumbest team in Texas history besides maybe a Dallas Carter 88?? By the way, I only mock when i hear bs. Sometimes mockery is deserving in my estimation. LOL Not to mention i am pretty good at it. ;)

[BigArab]

If that is the truth then the Longview 97 team was the dumbest team in Texas history besides maybe a Dallas Carter 88?? By the way, I only mock when i hear bs. Sometimes mockery is deserving in my estimation. LOL Not to mention i am pretty good at it. ;)

Just when I thought this post had gone the way of the Panther....I mean Buffalo.

[pack0808]

Well i was gone at a game and did not have a chance to reply so i figured i would bring it back from the dead. ;)

[BigArab]

You speak truth though. They were pretty dumb. Thought they were going to come in and rout a bunch of white guys. From what I understand, the two guys who didn't party were the two that had the most success after that game (Fred Talley and Lee Jackson)

[pack0808]

White guys?? What does that have to with anything?? The last time i checked the vast majority of the teams winning and playing in the 5a championship have been mostly white lately. SLC, Katy, The Woodlands, SV, Westlake etc Who cares?? Mostly black teams can have great teams and mostly white teams can have great teams?? Longview always has several white starters?? Race is so stupid to bring up in sport's i do not get it?? The Katy Tiger's are red and the panther's are purple and the lobo's are green the last time i checked?? :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

You speak truth though. They were pretty dumb. Thought they were going to come in and rout a bunch of white guys. From what I understand, the two guys who didn't party were the two that had the most success after that game (Fred Talley and Lee Jackson)


Oh and please do not start this crazy excuses in here it is embarrassing for you and for your team. I mean wow!! :eek:

[BigArab]

Oh and please do not start this crazy excuses in here it is embarrassing for you and for your team. I mean wow!! :eek:

No excuses. I think "hungover" is an exaggeration though, but they definitely didn't receive proper rest.

[wide-e-wide]

And we all know that "white boys" historically ...have been horrible in football.

who coudl forget such white clown as....


Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
John Elway
Steve Largent
Mike Ditka
Dick Butkus
Jack Ham
Jack Lambert
Bill Bates
Payton Manning
Brett Favre
and an entire host of ....1.000,000 other "white boys" that have played ....;..............pretty good ball over the years...


Notice I left out Theismann....Montana...and Steve Young...they are not white....they are the devil.

[pack0808]

Do not even expand on this race topic the kt brother's hate it!! It was just a silly statement he made and leave it at that.

[BigArab]

And we all know that "white boys" historically ...have been horrible in football.

who coudl forget such white clown as....


Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
John Elway
Steve Largent
Mike Ditka
Dick Butkus
Jack Ham
Jack Lambert
Bill Bates
Payton Manning
Brett Favre
and an entire host of ....1.000,000 other "white boys" that have played ....;..............pretty good ball over the years...


Notice I left out Theismann....Montana...and Steve Young...they are not white....they are the devil.

Lets not forget my personal favorites:
Adam Archuleta (technically hispanic)
John Lynch
Ricky Proehl
Kurt Warner
Jason Sehorn

[wide-e-wide]

Kurt Warner?..........OMG...
You mean Kurt of Iowa Barnstormer......
Wideman said he was a fluke...
butt ugly wife..
fame..............?
Please do not associate him or Mark Rypein with the white race....

BTW....Arab....are you Al-Islam...or orthadox.....?
Where is my boy Dada when you need him...?

[BigArab]

Kurt Warner?..........OMG...
You mean Kurt of Iowa Barnstormer......
Wideman said he was a fluke...
butt ugly wife..
fame..............?
Please do not associate him or Mark Rypein with the white race....

BTW....Arab....are you Al-Islam...or orthadox.....?
Where is my boy Dada when you need him...?

Had to come back to reply to this...

I like Kurt Warner because he's a good guy.

and I'm not Arabic in any way, so you can keep any kind of racist comments to yourself. I'm as white as they come.

[wide-e-wide]

First off....

Kurt Warner is one of the most over-rated QB in the history of the league....period....why do you think he played in the Arena League?


and if my name was ...............WideBaptist...................don't you think people would at least ask questions....?

Like putting Arab in your username was cool....if you are not in fact an Arab............

[BigArab]

First off....

Kurt Warner is one of the most over-rated QB in the history of the league....period....why do you think he played in the Arena League?


and if my name was ...............WideBaptist...................don't you think people would at least ask questions....?

Like putting Arab in your username was cool....if you are not in fact an Arab............

And if you are................f'...you...............9/11...I wil never forget that day...

Say what you will, but you don't exactly pass for 4800 yards as a fluke, no matter who your supporting cast is.

And as far as the "cool username", This has been my nickname for 10 years before 9/11. But how dare you try and even lump people of all races into categories. With your logic, all black people should hate white people for the combination of slavery and atrocities before, during and after the civil rights movement. You don't see blacks walking up and down the road with banners that say "I will remember January 7th."

Stop being ignorant.

[DragonFan]

This is about High School football, not religion, race, politics. If you want to rant about something other than football go somewhere else to do it. This site is dedicated to and created to allow us "Has Beens", "Never Were's", "Proud Dads (and Moms)", and students to have some fun discussing a game played by 16-18 year olds. All of the other stuff belongs on other sites that chater to that fare.

[wide-e-wide]

I'm stupid?
I beg to differ?....and I am racist? again....I beg to differ...

[wide-e-wide]

***

[lonny23]

Im sorry everbody but I am a Braves fan I know I know what on the hell is a Braves fan doing in East Texas. So with that Go Atlanta.
You got that right. This is TEXAS! There's nobody I hate more than Braves and Yankee fans in Texas. :mad:

[RockinL]

IMO...it's not so much that Longview is that good....



That tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of HS football.

[ktCarl]

Say what you will, but you don't exactly pass for 4800 yards as a fluke, no matter who your supporting cast is.

And as far as the "cool username", This has been my nickname for 10 years before 9/11. But how dare you try and even lump people of all races into categories. With your logic, all black people should hate white people for the combination of slavery and atrocities before, during and after the civil rights movement. You don't see blacks walking up and down the road with banners that say "I will remember January 7th."

Stop being ignorant.

Guys, this belongs on the Other Topics thread. This is the 5A high school football thread.

Nice daughter and photo Mr. Wide.

[BigArab]

I'm stupid?
I beg to differ?....and I am racist? again....I beg to differ...

You better ask somebody newbie....
I have been banned about my bi-racial daughters....

all of a sudden Arab is the cool nickname?
c'mon dawg...me and my 5.000 posts don't see it....

Fact still remains...you tried to call me out as if you knew something about me. I, in turn, called you out as if I knew something about you. I apologize, but what you said in two separate threads is uncalled for.

[RidgePride]

Fact still remains...you tried to call me out as if you knew something about me. I, in turn, called you out as if I knew something about you. I apologize, but what you said in two separate threads is uncalled for.
Why argue or get so personal?

Nobody knows who either of you are.

Both of you should get over it.