#1 Reason for SLC's success

[zippy]

Ok, I have seen several posts about this issue, and I just want to clear up as to why I think SLC has such success in football. Yea they have good athletes every year. They have a real good coaching staff, they have great facilities, they have money in the community for a lot of real nice equipment, etc. There are several schools that have this as well, however this is the BIG difference in SLC and a lot of schools. SLC people, please clear up any issues that might be incorrect.

I realized this when I went to watch my cousin play football in another city that has 2 5A schools in the area. We know which one he is going to attend due to where he lives. This is also true for SLC. However, here is where the difference lies.... He is in the 7th grade and was playing on the 7th grade A team. Come to find out, there are two 7th grade A teams, two 7th grade B teams, two 8th grade A teams, and two 8th grade B teams. These kids both attend the same middle school, but they will be split when it comes to which High school they attend due to where they live. There were four, yes FOUR coaches that had to coach these 8 teams. They start games on Saturday morning and two coaches, coach 4 7th grade games, and another set coach 4 8th grade teams. During practice, they do not have time to work on the fundamentals of football, like hitting, proper tech. for catching, running, defending, ect. All they have time to do is practice the plays. It was horrible to watch. It was the 4th game, and they scored their 1st TD of the year. Now what does this have to do with SLC? (All of this is based on what I have read from SLC people on these boards) SLC in the 7th grade is already working on Dragon football. All of these kids will be playing together in 3-4 years on the same team. I assume SLC only has 2 teams in the 7th and 2 in the 8th, correct me if I am wrong. I did not realize that some of these towns do not get to work with the kids until they make Varsity. I also did not realize that some towns have 4 coaches coaching 200 kids. How can they be very good when they cant start learning the basics until they are on Varsity? There is no way to do it due to time each day. The city that he plays at is not that large of a city, population is around 120K. There are only 2 5A schools. I dont even want to know what some of the larger areas have to deal with. Please fill me in on the structure at SLC. Based on this, I can see this as a large reason for SLC's success. SV is a lot like this as well, and I think that this is the reason they do so well. Hill began to start them on Ranger football early when he started coaching there. Just playing with the same kids helps so much. Am I totally wrong about this? The info I posted is true, and if you want to know the city PM me. It is horrible that they are so understaffed on coaching. I did not realize this was taking place until I went to watch them, and began talking to his dad. You know, asking why they could not tackle, catch the kickoffs, complete a pass, defend a pass, etc, etc.

[dragonbuck]

SLC has 2 middle schools which are for 7th and 8th graders. In years past, there have been as many as 3 teams in each grade at each school depending on number of kids wanting to play in this "no cut" sport. We have had a 7th grade A, B and C at each school. so this can be many teams, all called the Dragons.

The difference is that these kids begin learning one offense at an early age, knowing that they will all go to the same high school eventually.

[SVLOI83]

I'll have to agree with zippy on this one. SV and SLC both have control over the younger players all the way down to 7th grade. For SV, it all starts the summer going into the 7th grade year. The high school coaches host a week long football camp for all incoming 7, 8, and 9 grade football players. At the camp they teach the future rangers basic offensive plays and defensive schemes. The SV coaching staff has about 15 coaches that all participate in this camp as well as the middle school coaches, about 25 coaches in all. Every year the kids build on what they learn in 7th grade. The varsity still runs plays that they were taught back in 7th grade. Also the middle school, freshman, and jv teams all have at least 2 coaches to a team during games and even more during practice to help instruct and teach the kids on blockin assignments, tackling drills, passing drills, etc. Both SV and SLC are very lucky teams to have the amount of attention placed not only on the varsity but on the younger teams as well. This just might be the formula that helps these two schools win big as they have in the last few years.

[zippy]

How many coaches do you guys have at these levels? I was not aware that SLC had two middle schools. There are 8 teams just in his school alone, with 4 coaches. That would be 16 for two middle schools, and the team they played that day had 5 coaches. There are, I think, 3 other schools that they play, but I dont know that stats on them. I know when I played jr. high ball, we were 3A and we had one 7th and one 8th grade team, and 7 coaches! I played both ways and I had a DB coach, as well as a RB coach. I also played WR some, and had a WR coach! The first part of practice we would run drills at each station for about 30 min's. RB drills, DB drills, QB drills, OL drills, DL drills, WR drills, and LB drills. Then we would run the plays we were going to run against the next weeks team. AND WE GOT TO TRAVEL YELLOW DOG! One trip was 150 miles! Its sad that these larger schools dont get that chance young, it was more fun then than it was on Varsity.


SLC has 2 middle schools which are for 7th and 8th graders. In years past, there have been as many as 3 teams in each grade at each school depending on number of kids wanting to play in this "no cut" sport. We have had a 7th grade A, B and C at each school. so this can be many teams, all called the Dragons.

The difference is that these kids begin learning one offense at an early age, knowing that they will all go to the same high school eventually.

[dragonfly]

They have 4 coaches at the middle school level at Carroll. The spead offense and most of the plays that the varsity run are ran at the middle school level with the exception of "no huddle." I can't remember the last time I saw a Southlake Middle School quarterback under center. They are also learning this in pee wee football.

[CCBoy]

I think that learning that one system is great for the Highschool and can benefit greatly in years to come if championships keep coming, but my only concern is with the players when it's time for the college level and they are not running a system that the player is familiar with. I know growing up we had pee wee, then middle school, and finally highschool. All these levels had different systems. By the time a player is in college he has learned 2 or maybe 3 systems at different levels. Not neccessarily mastered all of them, but have a good feel for them. Learning to line up on offense in different sets and being able to adjust to more than what you know how to adjust to is very crucial in college. I'm a big fan of SLC because I love seeing teams from Texas on top and I hope they remain successful...unless they play Carter of course, but I wonder exactly how that one time system effects the players on the collegiate level or if they'll have to consider teams that will run a system they are mostly familiar with?

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

Keys to SLC Success

1.Most of the SLC athletes started at 5 years old playing various sports all year around

2.Most attend a "private" training program like Velocity.

3.Most of the SLC kids have parents that played competitive sports at various levels - high school, college and professional

4.The SLC kids are intelligent average SAT score for the old SAT test was 1100+

5.Most of the kids have both parents at home and the majority of these parents have bachelors degrees with 35% or more have advanced degrees (lawyers, doctors, MBAs, etc). With this said - very few people who live in SLC have "old money". The parents are highly motivated, driven individuals who have succeeded (in a material since) in life.

[RidgePride]

Keys to SLC Success

1.Most of the SLC athletes started at 5 years old playing various sports all year around

2.Most attend a "private" training program like Velocity.

3.Most of the SLC kids have parents that played competitive sports at various levels - high school, college and professional

4.The SLC kids are intelligent average SAT score for the old SAT test was 1100+

5.Most of the kids have both parents at home and the majority of these parents have bachelors degrees with 35% or more have advanced degrees (lawyers, doctors, MBAs, etc). With this said - very few people who live in SLC have "old money". The parents are highly motivated, driven individuals who have succeeded (in a material since) in life.

SLC success in football also "recruits" itself to other great athletes.
Everyone wants to be with a proven winner

All SLC athletes have "bought in" to the system making them all very coachable. Almost all diverse systems will work if the kids "buy in" and you have the athletes.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

SLC success in football also "recruits" itself to other great athletes.
Everyone wants to be with a proven winner

All SLC athletes have "bought in" to the system making them all very coachable. Almost all diverse systems will work if the kids "buy in" and you have the athletes.


I agree with your additional points. You are correct - SLC does not recruit, but you do have people who move to Southlake area for a number of reasons - community, schools, churches, athletics, etc…

[bhs06]

EXECUTION. If every team can execute like the Dragons can, they would be good too. The problem is they don't, and the Dragons execute just about flawlessly.

[TheYoungCoach]

I agree with your additional points. You are correct - SLC does not recruit, but you do have people who move to Southlake area for a number of reasons - community, schools, churches, athletics, etc…

No one is moving to Southlake for its churches. Come on now, be serious.

[Favpack]

Keys to SLC Success

1.Most of the SLC athletes started at 5 years old playing various sports all year around

2.Most attend a "private" training program like Velocity.

3.Most of the SLC kids have parents that played competitive sports at various levels - high school, college and professional

4.The SLC kids are intelligent average SAT score for the old SAT test was 1100+

5.Most of the kids have both parents at home and the majority of these parents have bachelors degrees with 35% or more have advanced degrees (lawyers, doctors, MBAs, etc). With this said - very few people who live in SLC have "old money". The parents are highly motivated, driven individuals who have succeeded (in a material since) in life.

Pretty much sums it up. And, in the area of recruiting - I don't know if they recruit or not -- I don't think it's illegal. But...Chase Daniel moved to the SLC system because his dad felt Irving wasn't cutting it. McElroy's dad could have moved anywhere in the Metroplex - he chose SLC because of Greg's ability to throw a ball -- and for reasons mentioned above.

SLC is on the top of the heap in a VERY mobile D/FW metroplex. Kids want to play at SLC -- and the parents have the ability to make it happen. Again, no rules broken, nothing illegal, just one more reason why the Dragons will be near the top for many years to come.

[SLCDad]

Keys to SLC Success

1.Most of the SLC athletes started at 5 years old playing various sports all year around

2.Most attend a "private" training program like Velocity.

3.Most of the SLC kids have parents that played competitive sports at various levels - high school, college and professional

4.The SLC kids are intelligent average SAT score for the old SAT test was 1100+

5.Most of the kids have both parents at home and the majority of these parents have bachelors degrees with 35% or more have advanced degrees (lawyers, doctors, MBAs, etc). With this said - very few people who live in SLC have "old money". The parents are highly motivated, driven individuals who have succeeded (in a material since) in life.There is a certain pride in Southlake. People are very loyal and proud to be part of the tradition. The "Protect The Tradition" banner really means something to Southlake folks. We moved here in 1988 because of the schools. The High School had less than 500 students but the academic results were outstanding. The feeling of pride was there back then and it remains today.

[slcsportsfan]

Pretty much sums it up. And, in the area of recruiting - I don't know if they recruit or not -- I don't think it's illegal. But...Chase Daniel moved to the SLC system because his dad felt Irving wasn't cutting it. McElroy's dad could have moved anywhere in the Metroplex - he chose SLC because of Greg's ability to throw a ball -- and for reasons mentioned above.

SLC is on the top of the heap in a VERY mobile D/FW metroplex. Kids want to play at SLC -- and the parents have the ability to make it happen. Again, no rules broken, nothing illegal, just one more reason why the Dragons will be near the top for many years to come.

One More time... Chase moved here in 7th grade because of the dynamics of the Irving ISD. The Daniel family waited until Chase' older sister graduated and then moved. If you were able to chose...Let's see... where would you like your son to be?... a rough Irving ISD or Carroll ISD? Better academics, better athletics, less troubles.

For those who don't know, when Chase got here Luna was the QB and Daniel was a wide out. They did not run the spread until they were in 9th grade. Even then it was very generic in nature. Luna and Daniel switched positions in grade 9.

I am not saying that people don't move into an area and take athletics into account. They do. I see this being more prevelant in the HS years (9-12). I'm surprised that we haven't seen a dumb post about Tre moving into our district because Luna was graduating.

[DragonFan]

It is very interesting to me to see who moves in and who moves out. Just watch the High School Extra programs and see how many impact players on other schools came from Southlake. They will say something like, "this player, transfered from Southlake, has made a big impact as a QB/Linebacker, etc". There are several players at the Middle School level that are evaluationg their positions next year! There are two "A" teams, one at Carroll Middle School and one at Dawson Middle School. What players from each team are you going to meld into the Freshman team. How many of the two "B" team players at the Middle school will be able to get significate playing time on the Freshman team.

Carroll Middle school had at least 3 new additions to it this year and all three have made signifiate contributions to the team. I think there were some kids that moved into Dawson as well. In fact there was at least one kid who moved from Carrol to Dawson to get a chance to play more.

To say Southlake is a very competitive town would be an understatment.

[BigRing5311]

We moved to SL this past Aug and have a son that plays on the CMS 8th grade team. I had recently made a career change that allowed us flexibility to which community we moved. My son had attended Coach Dodge's QB-R camp in June and was extremely impressed with the SL kids. He said that they were committed to their dream (State Championships) and if the opportunity to move to SL ever came he would like to play sports there. The other important characteristic he saw in SL kids was their confidence when confronted with outside competition. They weren't the least bit intimidated by competition but rather welcomed and enjoyed it. I took that as these kids welcome competition because true athletes know that the competion makes everyone better that is willing to step up. These kids didn't get that way by happenstance. I understand that Coach Dodge and his staff teach a class each morning called the Coach's Course to their HS football players. The course is about Character and Integrity. From the short time we've lived in SL it appears to me that there is more to the SL "Protect the Tradition" than just winning the game; it appears to be a tradition of winning and training with Character and Integrity. Sorry for the length.

[DragonFan]

Southlake will continue to have succsess because it is a small land locked town that will soon be as big as it is every going to get. It will probally allways only have one High School that will be on the lower end of the highest classification in the state. All the kids in town dream of being a Dragon from the Elementry schools on up to the High School. The total population of Southlake will be around 35K at total buildout.

[southlake thug]

McElroy's dad could have moved anywhere in the Metroplex - he chose SLC because of Greg's ability to throw a ball -- and for reasons mentioned above.



Dont talk on this site if you don't know what you are talking about. The ability of Gregs arm had no factor in the McElroy's move to southlake. I am sure that gregs dad knew that he would be playing qb for the #1 team in the nation when they moved here 7 years ago.


Honestly though, if you don't know what you are talking about just dont say anything, you are embarassing youself.

[drgnbkr]

It needs to be pointed out that our budget is just as stretched as anyones...we have 6 - 7th grade teams between the 2 middle schools and 4 -8th grade teams. The coaches work a ton of hours just trying to keep up with everything. They are'nt paid any more than anywhere else. In my mind, & I've lived here for years as Southlake has grown from 3-A to 5-A, it is a lot about the tradition. Nobody wants to be the team that fails to succeed. I know that is consistent with Lufkin, Katy, Judson, SV and the other top programs. Can Carrolls kids handle the complex nature of the spread better than some others? No doubt..95% of Carroll grads go on to college...but football is still a violent sport and you have to be tough to succeed.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

No one is moving to Southlake for its churches. Come on now, be serious.

That is a presumptuous statement. The Churches in Southlake are most certainly a draw for the community.

[TheYoungCoach]

That is a presumptuous statement. The Churches in Southlake are most certainly a draw for the community.

Unless one of the parents is employed by the church, I doubt a family would relocate simply to attend a certain church. Just my opinion.

[RidgePride]

Dont talk on this site if you don't know what you are talking about. The ability of Gregs arm had no factor in the McElroy's move to southlake. I am sure that gregs dad knew that he would be playing qb for the #1 team in the nation when they moved here 7 years ago.


Honestly though, if you don't know what you are talking about just dont say anything, you are embarassing youself.

Just because Greg's dad did not know they would be the #1 team in the nation does not mean he did not want his child to be apart of a tradition rich school.

Same with Daniels. The Number 1 in the nation thing is just a bonus.

[RidgePride]

I'm surprised that we haven't seen a dumb post about Tre moving into our district because Luna was graduating.


That is because Tre has been in Southlake.

[a&mconsoltiger]

can someone tell me why clint renfro hardly has any passes caught this yr,so far it looks like he's been a huge downgrade from last year

[RidgePride]

can someone tell me why clint renfro hardly has any passes caught this yr,so far it looks like he's been a huge downgrade from last year
I think he has been injured

[drgnbkr]

Clint broke his collarbone in the summer...shhh...he is recuperating....shhhh!...Watch him run by you when he visits a school near you.... ;)

[Homer]

uh....not just anyone can move into southlake....

lived in that area for 6 years and, while i was very, very close to the carroll school district we just didn't quite have the funds to buy a house within the district. lol

having lived throughout the state, 3 things stand out about the places i've been that have had long-time successful programs.
1. PRIDE
2. PARENTS/FAMILY/STUDENTS THAT EXPECT SUCCESS
3. RESOURCES (FINANCIAL, LOCATION, ETC.) TO BEST ACHIEVE SUCCESS

at many of the suburban schools (yes, read "wealthy") college is not an option, it's a given. student-athletes are instilled with a sense of pride about acheiving the utmost level of success. with this, comes a coaches dream -- the DESIRE TO BE COACHED!!!! because that, coupled with their ingrained desire to achieve creates success.

now, i'm like many people out there......i both HATE the dragons and admire them.....they will NEVER be a poor program (and mustangs just hate that.........)

[dragonbuck]

can someone tell me why clint renfro hardly has any passes caught this yr,so far it looks like he's been a huge downgrade from last year


As Big Arnold from California might say about Renfro...."He'll be baaack!"

Just resting his shoulder while running patterns and drawing double coverage. Nice to have such a great decoy and 8 other receivers ready to catch anything coming their way.

Personally, I wouldn't care if he didn't catch another pass during the regular season. Just have him fresh and ready come playoff time. However, he could use another solid season to get a good D1 offer.

Kid is truly gifted!

[BAMF cowboy]

Jacobson, Fentriss, Allen, Presley, Ford... maybe that's why his number are down

that...and an injury

[BigArab]

Keys to SLC Success

1.Most of the SLC athletes started at 5 years old playing various sports all year around

2.Most attend a "private" training program like Velocity.

3.Most of the SLC kids have parents that played competitive sports at various levels - high school, college and professional

4.The SLC kids are intelligent average SAT score for the old SAT test was 1100+

5.Most of the kids have both parents at home and the majority of these parents have bachelors degrees with 35% or more have advanced degrees (lawyers, doctors, MBAs, etc). With this said - very few people who live in SLC have "old money". The parents are highly motivated, driven individuals who have succeeded (in a material since) in life.

That, and a hardy dose of steroids.

[dragonfootballfan]

That, and a hardy dose of steroids.
Not this again. Maybe it is just cause they stole the plays off a player's wristband or an assistant coach was able to listen to the opponent's plays. Do you have any more conspiracy theories. I think that I have heard them all.

[BigArab]

Not this again. Maybe it is just cause they stole the plays off a player's wristband or an assistant coach was able to listen to the opponent's plays. Do you have any more conspiracy theories. I think that I have heard them all.

Haha, I knew that would get one of you riled up. Of course until one of them tests positive, it'll always just be a theory, but when you have intelligent guys like these, they'll know times it takes for drugs to be out of their system. Top it off that its strange that a bunch of white guys could be as large, as fast, as strong, and as competitive as they have been (no racism intended.) Plus, I've worked in gyms and work out facilities for a good while and it's easy to tell who's on the juice and who's not. Clearly, Daniel, Jacobsen, and Renfro are not. But other players (who will remain nameless) have the juice look.

But, I'd say every large school has at least 2 or 3 players that are on it. I doubt they'll get caught though. A lot of coaches aren't too committed to getting their players taken away from them on things left entirely up to them.

[southlake thug]

That, and a hardy dose of steroids.


Ill be in Longview by tommorrow morning ready to kick your ***.


There is a place for this kind of talk, and a internet message board is not one of them.

[zippy]

Thanks for getting my post locked up. I have a feeling that is where it is headed..



That, and a hardy dose of steroids.

[BigArab]

Ill be in Longview by tommorrow morning ready to kick your ***.


There is a place for this kind of talk, and a internet message board is not one of them.

Clearly, it is difficult to display sarcasm in writing words, but it's also probably part your problem not getting the joke. Also, I'm not too worried about you SLC, juiced or not...too far away to worry about them right now.And if you're going to be in Longview by morning, you'll be a good 400 miles from where I am at, but don't let me stop you.

[southlake thug]

i will be wherever you are bigarab

[dragonfootballfan]

Haha, I knew that would get one of you riled up. Of course until one of them tests positive, it'll always just be a theory, but when you have intelligent guys like these, they'll know times it takes for drugs to be out of their system. Top it off that its strange that a bunch of white guys could be as large, as fast, as strong, and as competitive as they have been (no racism intended.) Plus, I've worked in gyms and work out facilities for a good while and it's easy to tell who's on the juice and who's not. Clearly, Daniel, Jacobsen, and Renfro are not. But other players (who will remain nameless) have the juice look.

But, I'd say every large school has at least 2 or 3 players that are on it. I doubt they'll get caught though. A lot of coaches aren't too committed to getting their players taken away from them on things left entirely up to them.
Oh so now you can tell who is on steroids and who is not just by looking at them. How can you tell? There are many different people who have had many different body types that have tested positive for steroid use. Your theory holds no water and will not until you have some sort of concrete evidence. Until then I suggest that you refrain from trying to belittle 15-18 year old kids.

[BigArab]

i will be wherever you are bigarab

San Antonio. Go ahead and hop in your car, but if you're ready to get into a fight over this, something is seriously wrong. But, judging by your name, what else can I expect. What's a thug doing in Carroll? I thought all of them move there to escape thugs.

[zippy]

Me, you, the idiot, and everyone else on this board knows that even if you guys did know where each other were going to be in the morning, neither of you would do a thing. So please, lets stay on topic, and quit keyboard fighting.


i will be wherever you are bigarab

[BigArab]

Oh so now you can tell who is on steroids and who is not just by looking at them. How can you tell? There are many different people who have had many different body types that have tested positive for steroid use. Your theory holds no water and will not until you have some sort of concrete evidence. Until then I suggest that you refrain from trying to belittle 15-18 year old kids.

Being a doctor, a certified dietician, and an avid weightlifter, appearance is everything when determining who is using steroids. Veiny and very swollen appearance (like they just got through working out) generally denotes someone on the juice. A lot of times, they aren't too cut either.

[dragonfootballfan]

Being a doctor, a certified dietician, and an avid weightlifter, appearance is everything when determining who is using steroids. Veiny and very swollen appearance (like they just got through working out) generally denotes someone on the juice. A lot of times, they aren't too cut either.
When have you been close enough to a Carroll player to accurately determine whether they had taken a steroid?

[BigArab]

When have you been close enough to a Carroll player to accurately determine whether they had taken a steroid?

Last year when my former roommate (who is an orthopedic surgeon in dallas) invited me down on the sidelines for the SLC/ Fossil Ridge game. I have not seen them since last year, so this is all based on last year. But like I said guys, every other large school I have seen has had 2 or 3 guys. Me throwing this out there was sarcasm about all the things in the paper about Colleyville Heritage (?) and them trying to throw blame on SLC.

[DragonFan]

Enough postering you two! The Steroid drive by posting was sarcastic and uncalled for. The reaction to it almost seemed like roid rage! It is frustrating to have that accusation thrown at top performing programs and with someone who is living in San Antonio, who probally has not seen or talked to any of the SLC players.

In fact, at SLC every parent of every child who is involved with extra-curricular activities be it Athletics, band, drama, or academic teams, must go through a Steroids awairness seminar or else the child cannot participate. Steroid abuse is not and will not be tolerated at SLC. It seems only the schools that are want-a-be's have that problem. Solid programs do not need them.

[Redneckn]

I don't really think money has all that much to do with it. Generally. I mean, look at Longview. They are churning right along and that is not one of the more "classier" places in Texas. It's a bunch or rednecks for cryin' out loud.

I do think there is something to the "start 'em early" mindset. When I was coming up I went to a really really super snobby private. They started us playing ball at 5th grade. The school encouraged parents to have us play bitty-ball before that.. I started football in 2nd or 3rd grade. By the time I got the 5th grade, I knew why I was out there and what was expected of me.
By 7th grade, we watched the varsity films to learn what to do and our films to learn what not to do.
The same group of boys that started football in 5th still played ball together in varsity. The QB in 12th was usually the same kid that was the QB in 5th. Most of the time anyway.
The hitch to this is that it was a very money oriented private. When the oil boom went BOOM! in the 80's most of the money that backed the school went away. With it, went the kids. I know my brother and I both left and went to publics. That first year at public was a nightmare for me and the other 20 kids I knew from the private.

Eventually, the school got to where it was just a place where kids went when they were no longer able to attend publics. As new kids were coming and going, football (and all other sports) went. The private organization they were in (LISA) went away. The school joined a Mississippi based organization (MPSA) and got beat weekly. The coaches went away. Finally, the school changed hands.


The moral of the story is this: 1. money can have a lot to do with the success of a program. 2. When kids come up in a system, over time, they know that system and how it works. 3. Leaving a good private for a public scarred me for life. I had never been around black kids before. It was very weird for me. Seriously, this was the mid 80's and I didnt know that black and white kids went to school together. I thought that only happened in big places like NewYork and stuff. The moral of that is that being seperate can be a bad thing. This is getting off subject now.. The point is that it messed me up. Ok! :mad: really though. it was awkward.


I still say it is coaching that makes the most difference. And for really good coaches, you've got to have the green.

[dragonfootballfan]

Last year when my former roommate (who is an orthopedic surgeon in dallas) invited me down on the sidelines for the SLC/ Fossil Ridge game. I have not seen them since last year, so this is all based on last year. But like I said guys, every other large school I have seen has had 2 or 3 guys. Me throwing this out there was sarcasm about all the things in the paper about Colleyville Heritage (?) and them trying to throw blame on SLC.
what you posted made it seem as if all of the players were on steroids. I still do not believe that you can tell whether a football player is on steroids by looking at them with football equipment on, but your assumption of 2 or 3 on every team doing steroids seems valid.

[BigArab]

I don't really think money has all that much to do with it. Generally. I mean, look at Longview. They are churning right along and that is not one of the more "classier" places in Texas. It's a bunch or rednecks for cryin' out loud.

I do think there is something to the "start 'em early" mindset. When I was coming up I went to a really really super snobby private. They started us playing ball at 5th grade. The school encouraged parents to have us play bitty-ball before that.. I started football in 2nd or 3rd grade. By the time I got the 5th grade, I knew why I was out there and what was expected of me.
By 7th grade, we watched the varsity films to learn what to do and our films to learn what not to do.
The same group of boys that started football in 5th still played ball together in varsity. The QB in 12th was usually the same kid that was the QB in 5th. Most of the time anyway.
The hitch to this is that it was a very money oriented private. When the oil boom went BOOM! in the 80's most of the money that backed the school went away. With it, went the kids. I know my brother and I both left and went to publics. That first year at public was a nightmare for me and the other 20 kids I knew from the private.

Eventually, the school got to where it was just a place where kids went when they were no longer able to attend publics. As new kids were coming and going, football (and all other sports) went. The private organization they were in (LISA) went away. The school joined a Mississippi based organization (MPSA) and got beat weekly. The coaches went away. Finally, the school changed hands.


The moral of the story is this: 1. money can have a lot to do with the success of a program. 2. When kids come up in a system, over time, they know that system and how it works. 3. Leaving a good private for a public scarred me for life. I had never been around black kids before. It was very weird for me. Seriously, this was the mid 80's and I didnt know that black and white kids went to school together. I thought that only happened in big places like NewYork and stuff. The moral of that is that being seperate can be a bad thing. This is getting off subject now.. The point is that it messed me up. Ok! :mad: really though. it was awkward.


I still say it is coaching that makes the most difference. And for really good coaches, you've got to have the green.

Absolutely. I think vertical integration has EVERYTHING to do with it. These kids at SLC have been given the same system all the way through. When you get to cities like Longview who have NUMEROUS elementary schools and three middle schools, all doing different things, throwing them into a new system in high school takes some getting used to. By the time these players at schools like Smithson Valley and SLC get to high school, this offensive system is second nature and it just becomes plug and play.

[dragons08]

i think its mostly the parents, in order to become weathly you have to work hard its not just given to you, which most people think were just given everything, their wrong! we have to bust our butts, our parents make us work just as hard as they did, so we can a great life. i know everyday my parents preach to me how important it is to work hard now, so when i get older, i wont struggle to catch up in life. i know the pressure to succed here is incredible. everybody trying to be better than the next. its the competivie nature that starts from our parents, that gets to us, so thank you parents of southlake kids for your dedication and desire to help us have a great life

[BigArab]

what you posted made it seem as if all of the players were on steroids. I still do not believe that you can tell whether a football player is on steroids by looking at them with football equipment on, but your assumption of 2 or 3 on every team doing steroids seems valid.

It's all based on glancing at the forearms, biceps, and neck. Neck is the dead giveaway. Some steroids like androstene can affect your thyroid gland and give you a ridiculous looking neck. The combo of all three just becomes what I glance at in these football players I see on sidelines. But, you have to take into account the better weight training and weight facilities when talking about schools with money (SLC). They DEFINITELY have the money to afford a 5 star training facility and staff. I've been through the facility at Smithson Valley.....very impressive

[dragonfootballfan]

Absolutely. I think vertical integration has EVERYTHING to do with it. These kids at SLC have been given the same system all the way through. When you get to cities like Longview who have NUMEROUS elementary schools and three middle schools, all doing different things, throwing them into a new system in high school takes some getting used to. By the time these players at schools like Smithson Valley and SLC get to high school, this offensive system is second nature and it just becomes plug and play.
I have stated this on another thread, but I have to dissagree with you again BigArab. I do not think that teaching the X's and O's of a system matter that much in middle school. What I do think is important is teaching future players a good attitude, work ethic and the football fundamentals. I have used the 2002 Carroll team as an example many times, but they went through three different offensive systems in grades 9-12 and still managed to win a state championship in their first year in 5A.

[Redneckn]

That's why most Louisiana teams are weak. They have about 3-5 elem. schools that eventually feed into the 5A's. I know the middle school I went to fed Southwood and Woodlawn. And we werent the only "feeder" for either of those.
That is also why more privates in La. do pretty well most of the time. The kids start out there and never leave. They are in the system from the word "go".

Brock Berlin, Abram Booty, Phillip Deas, Brent Rawls, JD Booty, Thomas Bachman, blah blah blah. Almost every single outstanding player that ever suited up for ECA was in the "system" prior to 7th grade.

[BigArab]

That's why most Louisiana teams are weak. They have about 3-5 elem. schools that eventually feed into the 5A's. I know the middle school I went to fed Southwood and Woodlawn. And we werent the only "feeder" for either of those.
That is also why more privates in La. do pretty well most of the time. The kids start out there and never leave. They are in the system from the word "go".

Brock Berlin, Abram Booty, Phillip Deas, Brent Rawls, JD Booty, Thomas Bachman, blah blah blah. Almost every single outstanding player that ever suited up for ECA was in the "system" prior to 7th grade.

Plus, with the Booty brothers, it's nice to have daddy getting you the stats and the recruiting help since he's calling all the shots. I do have to admit though...John David is the real deal.

[BigArab]

I said thyroid...I meant pituitary. Haha...it's late and I'm on call. Good night all.

[BigArab]

i think its mostly the parents, in order to become weathly you have to work hard its not just given to you, which most people think were just given everything, their wrong! we have to bust our butts, our parents make us work just as hard as they did, so we can a great life. i know everyday my parents preach to me how important it is to work hard now, so when i get older, i wont struggle to catch up in life. i know the pressure to succed here is incredible. everybody trying to be better than the next. its the competivie nature that starts from our parents, that gets to us, so thank you parents of southlake kids for your dedication and desire to help us have a great life

I completely understand that. My parents were the same way.

So there is no confusion about Longview's demographics, let me clear the air here. While Longview is 50% black, it is about 38 to 39 % white (most of which are verrrry wealthy). So you have quite a large difference in the population and to see them mesh as well as they do is very refreshing. But, this does lead to some problems. I was recently informed that this wealthy Longview kids, who have disposable income and live in a mostly boring city, have gotten into meth and cocaine.

But beit known...it is not just some thug High School. The entire time I went there, I never felt unsafe.

[CCBoy]

i think its mostly the parents, in order to become weathly you have to work hard its not just given to you, which most people think were just given everything, their wrong! we have to bust our butts, our parents make us work just as hard as they did, so we can a great life. i know everyday my parents preach to me how important it is to work hard now, so when i get older, i wont struggle to catch up in life. i know the pressure to succed here is incredible. everybody trying to be better than the next. its the competivie nature that starts from our parents, that gets to us, so thank you parents of southlake kids for your dedication and desire to help us have a great life
It sounds like your parents are bringing you up right dragon08, but remember, money doesn't always mean a happy home. There is high use of drugs (x-pills didn't originate in the urban areas) by suburban kids in these nice communities even when parents bust their butts and teach them what's right and some of those parents don't even have time for their kids because of their jobs. No matter where you are you will have some great up bringings and some very terrible up ones as well. Lil' Ray Ray's parents (whoever they are) bust their butts super hard to come up with just enough to get by until another paycheck, they go to church, come in before dark, and I wish they would use profane language in moma or daddy's presence. Pains make you strong but they aren't for everyone because everyone can't handle them. So thank you to all the parents anywhere that give a crap about your kids and everybody else. Go Southlake!! Unless you play Carter.

[Redneckn]

Plus, with the Booty brothers, it's nice to have daddy getting you the stats and the recruiting help since he's calling all the shots. I do have to admit though...John David is the real deal.

John David is good, no doubt about that. But the jury is still out on him being good at the next level. Josh and Abram both were excellant in their positions when in HS, but when they got to college, they were both mediocre at best.
Also, there is another Booty (jack) coming up now. He is the QB for Calvary Baptist (shreveport). He's a sophomore this year.

[implacable44]

Why all this talk about Renfro's numbers being down ? I would say they were up last year and he benefited from Mckay being injured. He is not the best receiver on the SLC team.

Steroids - stupid comment that is like me saying - you are part of al quida or hamass because you are BigArab - just stupid and pointless even if it is sarcasm.

SLC is good for a lot of reasons - Tradition - money ( as in the facilities, equipment, training, camps etc.) - but most of all I would say breeding. The majority of the folks who live in Southlake are successful in some way - definitely with finances and have acheived things professionally - they instill this drive in their kids to excel to be the best - they exhume self-confidence. SUccess is a state-of-mind - a thought - a belief in yourself that transaltes to success in whatever you do - for these kids it is football. They buy in to the program - they believe in it because they are surrounded by success - in the school - at home - at their friends house. Everything around them is success. Not to say that they don't have bad apples because they do - I am sure there are drugs - alcohol - sex etc. - but for the most part it is a mindset in SLC and anyone who competes knows the mental aspect is far more important than they physical. Southlake will beat several teams that are more athletic - better talent - etc because of their mindset and discipline.

just my thoughts - could be way off ...

[SLCDad]

Why all this talk about Renfro's numbers being down ? I would say they were up last year and he benefited from Mckay being injured. He is not the best receiver on the SLC team.

Steroids - stupid comment that is like me saying - you are part of al quida or hamass because you are BigArab - just stupid and pointless even if it is sarcasm.

SLC is good for a lot of reasons - Tradition - money ( as in the facilities, equipment, training, camps etc.) - but most of all I would say breeding. The majority of the folks who live in Southlake are successful in some way - definitely with finances and have acheived things professionally - they instill this drive in their kids to excel to be the best - they exhume self-confidence. SUccess is a state-of-mind - a thought - a belief in yourself that transaltes to success in whatever you do - for these kids it is football. They buy in to the program - they believe in it because they are surrounded by success - in the school - at home - at their friends house. Everything around them is success. Not to say that they don't have bad apples because they do - I am sure there are drugs - alcohol - sex etc. - but for the most part it is a mindset in SLC and anyone who competes knows the mental aspect is far more important than they physical. Southlake will beat several teams that are more athletic - better talent - etc because of their mindset and discipline.

just my thoughts - could be way off ...I think your comments are exactly right. As for the comments about drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. SLC has it's share of these problems if not more.

[slcsportsfan]

Why all this talk about Renfro's numbers being down ? I would say they were up last year and he benefited from Mckay being injured. He is not the best receiver on the SLC team.

Steroids - stupid comment that is like me saying - you are part of al quida or hamass because you are BigArab - just stupid and pointless even if it is sarcasm.

SLC is good for a lot of reasons - Tradition - money ( as in the facilities, equipment, training, camps etc.) - but most of all I would say breeding. The majority of the folks who live in Southlake are successful in some way - definitely with finances and have acheived things professionally - they instill this drive in their kids to excel to be the best - they exhume self-confidence. SUccess is a state-of-mind - a thought - a belief in yourself that transaltes to success in whatever you do - for these kids it is football. They buy in to the program - they believe in it because they are surrounded by success - in the school - at home - at their friends house. Everything around them is success. Not to say that they don't have bad apples because they do - I am sure there are drugs - alcohol - sex etc. - but for the most part it is a mindset in SLC and anyone who competes knows the mental aspect is far more important than they physical. Southlake will beat several teams that are more athletic - better talent - etc because of their mindset and discipline.

just my thoughts - could be way off ...

implacable44 - this coming from you almost brought a tear to my eye.

[implacable44]

hey you guys paint me with this ugly brush - I don't hate SLC and I am definitely not jealous - I just try to minimize the far fetched comments. I totally appreciate the community and the people - wonderful program.

[Lamont Cranston]

[QUOTE=southlake thug]Ill be in Longview by tommorrow morning ready to kick your ***.

Go Thug! Know it's w/tongue in cheek, but love it just the same. Go Dragons!

[implacable44]

Thug said that same garbage to me - I am still waiting for him to bring his lil ace over to me and step up.

[southlake thug]

haha well 'plac, i dont really mind your bantor any more and you have actually said some educated things latly. But tell me where you live and i will be there.

[implacable44]

Keller man - Keller - I will be at the game tonight though - I will show up rocking my my Judson gear so I can stand out - I will be somewhere by Soldner - jacobson or barrington. come say hi man !

[southlake thug]

Alright I will come by and say hello

[dragons08]

for these kids it is football. ...
its in every single sport at SLC, all but one varsity team made the playoffs, that alone tells you how great the SLC atheltic program is and how hard we work

[implacable44]

no - you suck in basketball buddy and i don;t know that "great" is the right word for the entire sports program - that being said we were discussing football and i know it is hard to follow along when there are a lot of words - next time we will include pictures for you to make it easy. - wait i am not supposed to be sarcastic anymore - sorry.

[dragonfootballfan]

no - you suck in basketball buddy and i don;t know that "great" is the right word for the entire sports program - that being said we were discussing football and i know it is hard to follow along when there are a lot of words - next time we will include pictures for you to make it easy. - wait i am not supposed to be sarcastic anymore - sorry.
Basketball is not good, but the golf team won a state championship and the baseball team consistently makes long runs including a championship in 2002

[BAMF cowboy]

both girl's and boy's basketball made runs in the playoffs last year.

[implacable44]

not too far -- and that was in a WEAK _ REALLY WEAK BASKETBALL DISTRICT __ REALLY WEAK

[BigArab]

Basketball is not good, but the golf team won a state championship and the baseball team consistently makes long runs including a championship in 2002

A bunch of rich white guys being good at golf is a given.

[dragons08]

no - you suck in basketball buddy and i don;t know that "great" is the right word for the entire sports program - that being said we were discussing football and i know it is hard to follow along when there are a lot of words - next time we will include pictures for you to make it easy. - wait i am not supposed to be sarcastic anymore - sorry.
2nd in lonestar cup...all but one team makes playoffs, it being boys soccer..explain to me how thats not great?

[dragons08]

A bunch of rich white guys being good at golf is a given.
so your saying..if your rich your good at golf?

[implacable44]

Great = TITLES - great does not mean making playoffs in a weak district (football aside) and we have had this debate about the Lone Star cup several times so it is a waste to go back into it.

[BigArab]

so your saying..if your rich your good at golf?

Yep. Listen, I hang around snobby doctors all day who hang out with other snobby rich friends. Golf is a religion to wealthy people.

[dragons08]

Yep. Listen, I hang around snobby doctors all day who hang out with other snobby rich friends. Golf is a religion to wealthy people.
none of my friends play golf, i used to play, but havent been playing as much

[BigArab]

none of my friends play golf, i used to play, but havent been playing as much

I get teased because I'd rather go play a manly sport of pickup touch football than go ride around in a golf cart, being sedentary, and having lunch at the country club.

[Sportsfan24]

In my opinion, it is teamwork and coaching. Yes the system from jr. high to H.S. helps, so does having successful panents and money. However there are other schools not only in Dallas but other parts of Texas that have the these three things.

How many schools had over 10 players attend a camp out of state like SLC. I have read several posts where G. McElroy attended a camp to support one of his receivers and over 10 other kids went along. As a group they spent time together riding horses and being together. While yes money helped them make the trip what about the "willingness" to take time out of their summer to be together.

I'm willing to bet the coaches supported this "team" building. From everything I have heard about their coaching staff, there has been nothing bad. At the Nike camp I stood and listened as a H.S. ask Coach Dodge what new drills he was using for his QB's and Coach Dodge spent 10 minutes giving him the details. How many other coaches are doing what he is doing teaching football to his kids but also sharing with others.

I wish my job would have taken me to Dallas so I could have allowed my son to play at SLC. What ever they are doing it is working and all the other coaches should be copying what they are doing. The kids at SLC are the winners and I would love to see others in the same boat.

[chhspantherfan]

No one is moving to Southlake for its churches. Come on now, be serious.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[maxtor]

Why is it if your child plays athletics that it isn't possible to move for other reasons besides athletics?
We've moved 8 times in 25 years and nor once was it because of athletics.
And besides, I don't think there is anything wrong with moving for athletic reasons in the first place(within limits).

[crunked9]

EXECUTION. If every team can execute like the Dragons can, they would be good too. The problem is they don't, and the Dragons execute just about flawlessly.

+++++++++++++++1

This is what it all comes down to. You can practice till you are blue in the face, have all the money in the world, start at age 1, but if you can not execute on game day you will not win.

You can run the spread, wish bone, single wing, tight T, whatever, but if you do not execute you do not win.

You do not have to be the strongest, or fastest, or biggest if you execute the play correctly.

[drgnbkr]

+++++++++++++++1

This is what it all comes down to. You can practice till you are blue in the face, have all the money in the world, start at age 1, but if you can not execute on game day you will not win.

You can run the spread, wish bone, single wing, tight T, whatever, but if you do not execute you do not win.

You do not have to be the strongest, or fastest, or biggest if you execute the play correctly.

Damn zippy..I mean skippy.

[DragonTails]

They have 4 coaches at the middle school level at Carroll. The spead offense and most of the plays that the varsity run are ran at the middle school level with the exception of "no huddle." I can't remember the last time I saw a Southlake Middle School quarterback under center. They are also learning this in pee wee football.

Ahem! That's Dragon Youth Football and yes those little Dragons are learning the system! SLC is a machine. I moved to SLC many moons ago when you didn't have to be rich to afford a house and I moved for the education and lot sizes. When we got here, I was even happier to discover that SLC was about the pursuit of excellence wherever it was to be found, academics, football, debate, choir, etc. Passion rules like nowhere I've seen and I've lived all across this great nation of ours.

[BlackAttack]

1a- steroids
1b- recruiting
1c- paying off refs
1d- unleash random critter at key moment of game

everyone knows this.


:saber:

[drgnbkr]

1a- steroids
1b- recruiting
1c- paying off refs
1d- unleash random critter at key moment of game

everyone knows this.


:saber:

&. #2 is?

[LPack007]

That, and a hardy dose of steroids.

Welp..

[LPack007]

1a- steroids
1b- recruiting
1c- paying off refs
1d- unleash random critter at key moment of game

everyone knows this.


:saber:

You forgot the blonde hair....

[TrinityTrojan299]

That is a presumptuous statement. The Churches in Southlake are most certainly a draw for the community.

Wow. This thead got risen from the dead.

[padcrasher]

Southlake has a top notch youth football program as well. Many of the coaches have college football experience and great leadership qualities. We're VERY lucky to have these guys volunteer their time. Wasson comes out and speaks with the kids. I'd say your average 6th grader in Southlake Youth football is getting better coaching than what the 7th grade coaches are able to do being so understaffed.

I had to laugh one day sitting in with my young son being taught the passing schemes of college football teams, complete with game films. The coach was speaking in this technical jargon you would think only a high school QB or college reciever would understand......Realize, at this time by son was still ordering from the kid's menu...LOL

[ktCarl]

I realized this when I went to watch my cousin play football in another city that has 2 5A schools in the area. We know which one he is going to attend due to where he lives. This is also true for SLC. However, here is where the difference lies.... He is in the 7th grade and was playing on the 7th grade A team. Come to find out, there are two 7th grade A teams, two 7th grade B teams, two 8th grade A teams, and two 8th grade B teams. These kids both attend the same middle school, but they will be split when it comes to which High school they attend due to where they live. There were four, yes FOUR coaches that had to coach these 8 teams. They start games on Saturday morning and two coaches, coach 4 7th grade games, and another set coach 4 8th grade teams. During practice, they do not have time to work on the fundamentals of football, like hitting, proper tech. for catching, running, defending, ect. All they have time to do is practice the plays. It was horrible to watch. It was the 4th game, and they scored their 1st TD of the year. Now what does this have to do with SLC? (All of this is based on what I have read from SLC people on these boards) SLC in the 7th grade is already working on Dragon football. All of these kids will be playing together in 3-4 years on the same team. I assume SLC only has 2 teams in the 7th and 2 in the 8th, correct me if I am wrong. I did not realize that some of these towns do not get to work with the kids until they make Varsity. I also did not realize that some towns have 4 coaches coaching 200 kids. How can they be very good when they cant start learning the basics until they are on Varsity? There is no way to do it due to time each day. The city that he plays at is not that large of a city, population is around 120K. There are only 2 5A schools. I dont even want to know what some of the larger areas have to deal with. Please fill me in on the structure at SLC. Based on this, I can see this as a large reason for SLC's success. SV is a lot like this as well, and I think that this is the reason they do so well. Hill began to start them on Ranger football early when he started coaching there. Just playing with the same kids helps so much. Am I totally wrong about this? The info I posted is true, and if you want to know the city PM me. It is horrible that they are so understaffed on coaching. I did not realize this was taking place until I went to watch them, and began talking to his dad. You know, asking why they could not tackle, catch the kickoffs, complete a pass, defend a pass, etc, etc.

I thought this was the way it is for most high schools.

[Maxthedog]

I get teased because I'd rather go play a manly sport of pickup touch football than go ride around in a golf cart, being sedentary, and having lunch at the country club.

My buddies did the same to me.
BA, when you get old and brokedown(you will),,,the golf cart thing will appeal to you more and more. Whilst your redneck buddies sit in their easy chair and get older/fatter and your playing golf,,,,you will have the last laugh,,trust me,,,been there,,,doing that,,,wish i had taken up golf at a younger age. Gotta go,,,tee time is at noon:)

Start playing BA,,,you will love the game,,,I promise you!

[dragonpants]

Panther stirred it up didn't he? It is funny to see people answering and quoting posts from 6 years ago.

[trojanbacker]

I think the presence of the Taco Diner AND Five Guys Burgers in the same area has something to do with it. Needs further study......

[DragonBand06]

I don't know if there is recruiting going on (I doubt it), but undoubtedly folks will move to areas where their kids can excel. If you had a child (not in athletics) and had the option of living in an area with exceptional academics, would you not live there? Same thing applies to athletics. If you have an athlete in the family, why not move to a place with an exceptional athletic program? Not saying it's fair to traditionally weaker athletic programs , but as my mom used to tell me, "nobody ever said life was gonna be fair". Nobody's gonna raise a stink if you move your kid to a school so they can be on the state championship Computer Science team. :D

[WolfpackPride]

Keys to SLC Narcissism

1.Most of the SLC athletes started at 5 years old playing various sports all year around

2.Most attend a "private" training program like Velocity.

3.Most of the SLC kids have parents that played competitive sports at various levels - high school, college and professional

4.The SLC kids are intelligent average SAT score for the old SAT test was 1100+

5.Most of the kids have both parents at home and the majority of these parents have bachelors degrees with 35% or more have advanced degrees (lawyers, doctors, MBAs, etc). With this said - very few people who live in SLC have "old money". The parents are highly motivated, driven individuals who have succeeded (in a material since) in life.


FIFY :D

I too love quoting posters from 6 years ago. They had things pegged back then and not much has changed. SLC is nothing if not consistent!

[LR46]

Success breeds success but . . .

SLC reminds me of the "Glory Years" of Plano Senior High in the 80's and earlier. One HS with all the talent to flow through it. Upper middle class families moving in because it was Plano, many well educated and high earning parents and many notable college and pro athletes as well.

Then comes the second HS, Plano East . . . talent pool is spread out and PSH was never the same. They did have a short spurt of greatness I believe in the early to mid 90's, then comes Plano West and more talent disbursement. I still look at Southlake as the Plano of the West DFW area . . . very similar in most every respect.

Now if they start building other HS's in Southlake you will see the same thing happen that happened to PSH's dominance awhile back. PSH football also was started when kids were very young and the PSH system was taught all the way up into HS. They knew every play and their positions blind folded. They had undefeated Freshman and JV teams feeding into the next years. They also had great HS athletes in multiple sports, again just like Southlake.

I know, since we lived there and my kids grew up their and went to PSH during this period.

If SLC and Allen start spreading out their high schools (building new ones), due to growth and a need for properly educating the kids, you will see a decline in the dominance of each program . . . just like what has happened to Plano Senior High.

Just the facts . . . nothing but the facts.

[Southlakehawk]

Success breeds success but . . .

SLC reminds me of the "Glory Years" of Plano Senior High in the 80's and earlier. One HS with all the talent to flow through it. Upper middle class families moving in because it was Plano, many well educated and high earning parents and many notable college and pro athletes as well.

Then comes the second HS, Plano East . . . talent pool is spread out and PSH was never the same. They did have a short spurt of greatness I believe in the early to mid 90's, then comes Plano West and more talent disbursement. I still look at Southlake as the Plano of the West DFW area . . . very similar in most every respect.

Now if they start building other HS's in Southlake you will see the same thing happen that happened to PSH's dominance awhile back. PSH football also was started when kids were very young and the PSH system was taught all the way up into HS. They knew every play and their positions blind folded. They had undefeated Freshman and JV teams feeding into the next years. They also had great HS athletes in multiple sports, again just like Southlake.

I know, since we lived there and my kids grew up their and went to PSH during this period.

If SLC and Allen start spreading out their high schools (building new ones), due to growth and a need for properly educating the kids, you will see a decline in the dominance of each program . . . just like what has happened to Plano Senior High.

Just the facts . . . nothing but the facts.

Will never ever happen. SLC is a geographically small district. This will always be a one hs town. :yes:

[titus211]

Ok, I have seen several posts about this issue, and I just want to clear up as to why I think SLC has such success in football. Yea they have good athletes every year. They have a real good coaching staff, they have great facilities, they have money in the community for a lot of real nice equipment, etc. There are several schools that have this as well, however this is the BIG difference in SLC and a lot of schools. SLC people, please clear up any issues that might be incorrect.

I realized this when I went to watch my cousin play football in another city that has 2 5A schools in the area. We know which one he is going to attend due to where he lives. This is also true for SLC. However, here is where the difference lies.... He is in the 7th grade and was playing on the 7th grade A team. Come to find out, there are two 7th grade A teams, two 7th grade B teams, two 8th grade A teams, and two 8th grade B teams. These kids both attend the same middle school, but they will be split when it comes to which High school they attend due to where they live. There were four, yes FOUR coaches that had to coach these 8 teams. They start games on Saturday morning and two coaches, coach 4 7th grade games, and another set coach 4 8th grade teams. During practice, they do not have time to work on the fundamentals of football, like hitting, proper tech. for catching, running, defending, ect. All they have time to do is practice the plays. It was horrible to watch. It was the 4th game, and they scored their 1st TD of the year. Now what does this have to do with SLC? (All of this is based on what I have read from SLC people on these boards) SLC in the 7th grade is already working on Dragon football. All of these kids will be playing together in 3-4 years on the same team. I assume SLC only has 2 teams in the 7th and 2 in the 8th, correct me if I am wrong. I did not realize that some of these towns do not get to work with the kids until they make Varsity. I also did not realize that some towns have 4 coaches coaching 200 kids. How can they be very good when they cant start learning the basics until they are on Varsity? There is no way to do it due to time each day. The city that he plays at is not that large of a city, population is around 120K. There are only 2 5A schools. I dont even want to know what some of the larger areas have to deal with. Please fill me in on the structure at SLC. Based on this, I can see this as a large reason for SLC's success. SV is a lot like this as well, and I think that this is the reason they do so well. Hill began to start them on Ranger football early when he started coaching there. Just playing with the same kids helps so much. Am I totally wrong about this? The info I posted is true, and if you want to know the city PM me. It is horrible that they are so understaffed on coaching. I did not realize this was taking place until I went to watch them, and began talking to his dad. You know, asking why they could not tackle, catch the kickoffs, complete a pass, defend a pass, etc, etc.

What you saw was called NO FEEDERS!!! This is how big city districts operate and it's how Pflugerville operates and is why their is big time inconsistency in their football programs. The PISD football success is based more on who gets the best talent than on coaching and systems.