Smithson Valley and State

[svtakestate]

Does Smithson Valley have what it takes to go to State this Year?

[GTown02]

Does Smithson Valley have what it takes to go to State this Year?
Werent they in the finals two of the last three years? I think so...

[clemensbuff]

Still too early to tell! But, since they've made it to the title game 3 of the last 4 years, I sure as hell wouldn't bet against them.

[toonman]

SV definitely has what it takes to get to State - but winning state, that's different matter.

[stevefoxsc]

making it yes winning it no

[sendero]

We still need to get out of district. One game at a time.

[bubbacoach]

You beat the Rockets and you start thinking your ready to win it all. LOL Seriously they are down from last year, but with a little luck anything can happen. Also, when you have a coach like Larry Hill you have a chance every week.

[Favpack]

Losing a district game is often an indicator you don't have what it takes to go all the way, BUT there are always exceptions - just like SV last year and Lee last year. IMHO the bottom half of D2 is pretty easy going until you hit the semi's - certainly nothing like the north-half was last year.

[stevefoxsc]

but dont they have one of the eziest roads to state

[bubbacoach]

but dont they have one of the eziest roads to state
Why is that?

[SLCDad]

Out of 244 5A schools, Smithson Valley currently ranks #72 in points scored per game, #32 in points allowed per game and #45 in winning scoring margin per game.

SLC has the #1 scoring offense.
Schertz Clemens has the #1 scoring defense.
Spring Westfield is #1 in average winning scoring margin.

The top 10 in average per game winning scoring margin are:
Rank.....School.......................Ave Win Margin
1.....Spring Westfield (4-0)...............35.0
2.....Schertz Clemens (6-0)..............33.5
3.....Galena Park North Shore (4-0)....32.8
4.....Euless Trinity (5-0)...................31.0
5.....Plano (5-0).............................30.8
6.....Longview (6-0)........................30.2
7.....Southlake Carroll (5-0)..............29.6
8.....Corpus Christi Carroll (4-0).........29.3
9.....Katy (4-0)..............................28.8
10...Houston Lamar (4-0).................28.3

45...Smithson Valley (4-1)................14.6

Does this help answer the question of this thread? Smithson Valley seems to be there in the end even though the statistics are not great. We'll see if the same thing happens this year. These numbers don't take into account strength of schedule.

[mad_fan]

If SV can get past the current district leader, I think they have a chance to get to the area game. Seriously.

[KT2000]

This Smithson Valley team reminds me a lot of the 2003 group in the way they are beating people. Strong defense and doing just enough offensively most of the time. The toughest game might be the first one in the Region, but that's all speculation right now. They haven't been in 5A that long, but I've learned you don't count out Larry Hill and the players they've got when it comes to the playoffs.

[zippy]

They lost to Judson last year, and made it, and almost won it.


You beat the Rockets and you start thinking your ready to win it all. LOL Seriously they are down from last year, but with a little luck anything can happen. Also, when you have a coach like Larry Hill you have a chance every week.

[zippy]

Nothing new, every year the same thing happens, but most of these "stat" leaders dont have what it takes, and dont get past the first of second round of the playoffs.


Out of 244 5A schools, Smithson Valley currently ranks #72 in points scored per game, #32 in points allowed per game and #45 in winning scoring margin per game.

SLC has the #1 scoring offense.
Schertz Clemens has the #1 scoring defense.
Spring Westfield is #1 in average winning scoring margin.

The top 10 in average per game winning scoring margin are:
Rank.....School.......................Ave Win Margin
1.....Spring Westfield (4-0)...............35.0
2.....Schertz Clemens (6-0)..............33.5
3.....Galena Park North Shore (4-0)....32.8
4.....Euless Trinity (5-0)...................31.0
5.....Plano (5-0).............................30.8
6.....Longview (6-0)........................30.2
7.....Southlake Carroll (5-0)..............29.6
8.....Corpus Christi Carroll (4-0).........29.3
9.....Katy (4-0)..............................28.8
10...Houston Lamar (4-0).................28.3

45...Smithson Valley (4-1)................14.6

Does this help answer the question of this thread? Smithson Valley seems to be there in the end even though the statistics are not great. We'll see if the same thing happens this year. These numbers don't take into account strength of schedule.

[TexasRed6x]

I don't think so,just to many questions still to be answered. The defense has llooked better but remember PV put close to 400 yards on these guys. I do not get to excited because they held Judson to under 200 yards, at this time that is not to hard to do. I believe that they are well coached, but i feel that they will make to the semi's and that is were the road will end.

[zippy]

Have you seen PV play? If you can hold them to 400 yards that is good. ALso, which team won that game? SV has been, and as long as Hill is the coach, always will be beat in the stat column, but they will get the win. This is due to the way he coaches.


I don't think so,just to many questions still to be answered. The defense has llooked better but remember PV put close to 400 yards on these guys. I do not get to excited because they held Judson to under 200 yards, at this time that is not to hard to do. I believe that they are well coached, but i feel that they will make to the semi's and that is were the road will end.

[eagleike]

Can they get to state? Yes

Will they get to state? Unknown, cause from what I see so far if Katy stays in DII SV will have their hands full. I watched Katy against Jersey Village and The Woodlands (decent teams) and the passing game for Katy is strong. The running backs are amazing. Lot more talent than in the past few years.

What I want is Katy in DI against the North Shore/Westfield winner!!!

Battle of the titans in Houston.

[Slim-Rob]

All I have to say is that if Smithson Valley wants to even think about winning state they will need to work on their Passing D, and their Offense. This is just what I observed.

Don't attack me for what I said because I know that Judson needs a lot more work than SV does. Judson needs to work on the Offensive line, the running backs need to run north and south, and our kicking game needs to improve.

[svtakestate]

We still need to get out of district. One game at a time.


i know they still bneed to get out of district. they need to take it one game at a time. i just wanted to see what people are thinking early on, even though it means nothing and is way to early to tell

[Xfballphenome05]

i think we can make it definatly.the only real tough tough team will be katy.When we get there there will be alot of good teams waiting for us.Southlake,Lufkin,Longview,Cove,Denton Ryan,really theres to many teams to tell,but id say for region 3 and 4,ether katy or SV,Without a doubt.

[TexasRed6x]

Have you seen PV play? If you can hold them to 400 yards that is good. ALso, which team won that game? SV has been, and as long as Hill is the coach, always will be beat in the stat column, but they will get the win. This is due to the way he coaches.

Zip - I have seen them play, and i don't care who the team was that almost had 400 yards on you guys. I am saying that in the semi's you will be facing a team that will be far better than PV is or was. If I remember right someone on this thread asked the question, so all I did was answer the question, but i am sticking by it Semis is all that you will get.

[clemensbuff]

Can they get to state? Yes

Will they get to state? Unknown, cause from what I see so far if Katy stays in DII SV will have their hands full. I watched Katy against Jersey Village and The Woodlands (decent teams) and the passing game for Katy is strong. The running backs are amazing. Lot more talent than in the past few years.

What I want is Katy in DI against the North Shore/Westfield winner!!!

Battle of the titans in Houston.

That's a real scarry thought "Katy having a lot more talent than in the past few years! If that's the case, they will be very hard to beat!

[LeanderLions3033]

My personal opinion is that SV will make it out of Region 4 in division 2, but lose to Katy. They just look too strong this year. Thinking state this early in the year is a little ******** unless your SLC, but yall have the best team in Region 4 IMO.

[zippy]

SV will make it before SLC will this year, trust me. They face 3 teams that can, and I predict one of them will beat them. If SV can pick up their game a little, they will only face one. Right now, neither of these teams are going to make it to be real honest.


My personal opinion is that SV will make it out of Region 4 in division 2, but lose to Katy. They just look too strong this year. Thinking state this early in the year is a little ******** unless your SLC, but yall have the best team in Region 4 IMO.

[PackAttack2005]

SLCdad, did I miss something on your teams listed for their scoring margin rankings and scoring defense, because I did not see Lufkin ranked anywhere on that list, I guess we are out of the playoff picture.

Lufkin has a winning margin difference of 29.5 points per game and scoring defensive stat of 6.75 points per game.

Back on topic, I think anything can happen in the playoffs and the fact that Smithson Valley has been there 3 of the last 4 tells me they know how to get it done. So don't count them out because they have the same chance from Region 4 to get there as they have had the past 4 years.

[zippy]

Thats fine, Semis is all they get, ok. All I am saying is that stats do not matter. Last year a teams running back alone had about 400 yards on SV. BUT SV won that game 48-20. Yards put on a team makes no difference when you are talking about SV. If the D steps up in the red zone, and forces turn overs, thats all you need.


Zip - I have seen them play, and i don't care who the team was that almost had 400 yards on you guys. I am saying that in the semi's you will be facing a team that will be far better than PV is or was. If I remember right someone on this thread asked the question, so all I did was answer the question, but i am sticking by it Semis is all that you will get.

[clemensbuff]

Thats fine, Semis is all they get, ok. All I am saying is that stats do not matter. Last year a teams running back alone had about 400 yards on SV. BUT SV won that game 48-20. Yards put on a team makes no difference when you are talking about SV. If the D steps up in the red zone, and forces turn overs, thats all you need.

I'll second that! SV knows how to get the most out of the least. And I don't mean this in a negative way at all. Great coaching, PERIOD.... I'll promise you this, when SV beat us in 98', we had twice the size and speed on the field. Athlete to athlete, SV should have not been within 35 points of us and they beat us by 3!!!

[slcdragons]

SV will make it before SLC will this year, trust me. They face 3 teams that can, and I predict one of them will beat them. If SV can pick up their game a little, they will only face one. Right now, neither of these teams are going to make it to be real honest.

Just curious Zippy---who are the three teams that can beat SLC? I'm guessing Lufkin, Longview, and Abilene. But either Lufkin or Longview will be knocked out by the other. We'd only have to beat one of them. Based on scores, Abilene hasn't been exactly raising eyebrows, except when they beat Rockhurst.IMO

[XSVRanger]

I can understand not picking SV to make it based on what you have seen thus far, but this team will improve week to week. We'll see how things shake up come December.

[SVite]

Zip - I have seen them play, and i don't care who the team was that almost had 400 yards on you guys. I am saying that in the semi's you will be facing a team that will be far better than PV is or was. If I remember right someone on this thread asked the question, so all I did was answer the question, but i am sticking by it Semis is all that you will get.

PV was the 2nd game of the year,if you think that the defense is`nt any better,then you know nothing about SV football.The last 6 quarters of football they have given up 7 points.Last year at this time is when SV defense started becoming one of the top defenses in the state.This team has more foundation,and depth than last years defense.Our starting linebacker didnt play against Judson.


You watch from here on out, how many points are scored against this defense.Churchill could`nt move the ball in the 2nd half,and Judson couldnt move the ball either in the second half.If you cant score,i like our chances.We also have been without our starting tailback for the last 3 games,Theres plenty to look forward to. :cool:

[SLCDad]

SLCdad, did I miss something on your teams listed for their scoring margin rankings and scoring defense, because I did not see Lufkin ranked anywhere on that list, I guess we are out of the playoff picture.

Lufkin has a winning margin difference of 29.5 points per game and scoring defensive stat of 6.75 points per game.Through 4 games Lufkin averaged 36.3 points and allowed 8.3 points with a margin of 28.0. That ranks #12 (I posted the top 10). The 8.3 points allowed ranks #5.

I didn't draw any conclusions on the stats. Each reader can do that on thier own. I wanted to point out that SV is not near the top in stats yet they always seem to get the job done.

[zippy]

These are the teams that I am talking about. However I have not seen SLC since the Lee game, and I hear they are getting better each week, but from what I have heard about these other 3 teams a couple are better than they were last year. It is really two teams, but 3 possible out there. I will have to wait until I can see Ablilene again, its been a while on them as well. Only read and heard (and seen a couple of highlights) on the two L's. But based on that, they are going to be tough. Last year SLC edged by 3 real good teams, by what 7, 7, 3? Its going to be just as hard this year, and I dont see them doing it again, but its only my opinion.


Just curious Zippy---who are the three teams that can beat SLC? I'm guessing Lufkin, Longview, and Abilene. But either Lufkin or Longview will be knocked out by the other. We'd only have to beat one of them. Based on scores, Abilene hasn't been exactly raising eyebrows, except when they beat Rockhurst.IMO

[zippy]

Our starting LB was also missing in the Churchill game. What stops a running QB? A LB spy, which was missing. It took the new kid a half to get the bugs worked out, and they put up 14. The second half he was doing fine, and they put up 0. Volz is almost as good as Pawelek, and he is a big loss. I just hope he heals up.

PV was the 2nd game of the year,if you think that the defense is`nt any better,then you know nothing about SV football.The last 6 quarters of football they have given up 7 points.Last year at this time is when SV defense started becoming one of the top defenses in the state.This team has more foundation,and depth than last years defense.Our starting linebacker didnt play against Judson.


You watch from here on out, how many points are scored against this defense.Churchill could`nt move the ball in the 2nd half,and Judson couldnt move the ball either in the second half.If you cant score,i like our chances.We also have been without our starting tailback for the last 3 games,Theres plenty to look forward to. :cool:

[zippy]

Its a valid point. SV was not in the top 10 last year either. I bet they were right around where they are now going into the state game against you guys. I also be you guys were in the top 3, I know they were on scoring. Its nice to see someone agree that they still find a way to get the job done, and that stats play no role in the best football team. No team plays the exact same teams every game, with the exact same conditions, exact same players on the field, exact same moods that day, etc. etc. so stats are nothing really.

SV theme this year "Find A Way"


Through 4 games Lufkin averaged 36.3 points and allowed 8.3 points with a margin of 28.0. That ranks #12 (I posted the top 10). The 8.3 points allowed ranks #5.

I didn't draw any conclusions on the stats. Each reader can do that on thier own. I wanted to point out that SV is not near the top in stats yet they always seem to get the job done.

[bcheat128]

sv will make the playoffs but never win state
sv is always the bridemaid never a bride

[KT2000]

In my opinion, there's nothing more motivating than being told you can't do something. I don't believe in things staying the same, and think that SV has the program to break through one day as long as the core of the current staff stays there a long time. SLC was supposed to walk all over them last year and it ended up being a great game.

[JC73]

sv will make the playoffs but never win state
sv is always the bridemaid never a bride

At least they been a bridesmaid. :D

[clemensbuff]

At least they been a bridesmaid. :D

LOL I agree! It's better to have been and experienced the thrill of playing for the title than never have gone! I say SV will win a championship soon. It may or may not be this year, but soon. They are way too well coached and the kids beleive in what they are doing not to!

[JC73]

LOL I agree! It's better to have been and experienced the thrill of playing for the title than never have gone! I say SV will win a championship soon. It may or may not be this year, but soon. They are way too well coached and the kids beleive in what they are doing not to!

I have been meaning to ask this, but hadn't really gotten to it. Does Clemens still run the same offense or have they opened it up a bit. A lot of fans complained about the play calling and old style wing -T that the Buffs have been running forever under Lenhoff. I know it has always given SV fits. Has it changed any?

[SLCDad]

These are the teams that I am talking about. However I have not seen SLC since the Lee game, and I hear they are getting better each week, but from what I have heard about these other 3 teams a couple are better than they were last year. It is really two teams, but 3 possible out there. I will have to wait until I can see Ablilene again, its been a while on them as well. Only read and heard (and seen a couple of highlights) on the two L's. But based on that, they are going to be tough. Last year SLC edged by 3 real good teams, by what 7, 7, 3? Its going to be just as hard this year, and I dont see them doing it again, but its only my opinion.Zippy you've posted several times that don't see SLC winning it all again. Do you have any analysis or facts to support your opinion? or is it just your gut feel? If I had only seen the Midland Lee game I would probably feel the same.

Nonetheless, you may be right. It takes a great team and a bit of luck to with the championship. However, if you look at the way SLC is playing now they have as good a chance of winning it all this year (if not a better chance) than they have ever had. I could make a very strong argument that 2005 SLC is better than 2004 SLC (I've stated that a few times here).

[zippy]

Ok, thats about old and wore out, come up with something new please. 3 Years, lets give them time ok. Been there 2/3, better than most teams. Yours included. I guess yours is just a guest at the wedding?

sv will make the playoffs but never win state
sv is always the bridemaid never a bride

[zippy]

Well, first off, its going to be a very tough to get there again. We both know that. It is not going to be any easier than last year. A couple of VERY small differences last year and SLC loses before the state game, or at state. Thats how close it came. They overcame that and won. There is not going to be much different this year. Longview or Lufkin, and possibly Abilene are going to be there again this year. SLC had some luck last year in a couple of games, and took the W. I just dont see this happening two years in a row, so gut feeling is there. Since the Lee game (acually seeing the way Lee turned out) SLC has not really played anyone that I didnt expect them to blow out. The opposing teams have put up an average of almost 20 points on SLC this year. Yea, SLC has put up around an average of 45 or so, but there might be a problem when they face a team that can put up points at a very high rate, and has a defense that can slow down SLC. We both know that this is possible. SV, Abilene, and Lufkin/Longview all could or did do this last year. It was just little things that worked out the right way to give SLC a deserved win. So, this is what I base it on. SLC will win every game from here on out until playoffs bigtime, like always. Its when they face teams that are able to slow them down, and put up points that they will face problems. This will not take place until the playoffs. My opinions here. I dont see them facing SV again, unless they pick up the offensive production, but we will just have to wait and see I guess. I hope they make it. I have nothing against SLC. Mostly a gut feel, with some evidence to back it up is all. No matter what, there will be some good games in Dec.


Zippy you've posted several times that don't see SLC winning it all again. Do you have any analysis or facts to support your opinion? or is it just your gut feel? If I had only seen the Midland Lee game I would probably feel the same.

Nonetheless, you may be right. It takes a great team and a bit of luck to with the championship. However, if you look at the way SLC is playing now they have as good a chance of winning it all this year (if not a better chance) than they have ever had. I could make a very strong argument that 2005 SLC is better than 2004 SLC (I've stated that a few times here).