most miles travled so far/all of Texas?

[mojotrain]

Odessa Permian, 1200 miles.

[mojotrain]

Abilene Cooper 1019 miles

San Angelo Central 1774 miles.

[Vols4Ever]

Somehow, I get the "Hey look at us" feeling from the travel the west Tex teams have done.

I could care less. There are plenty of superior teams in the DFW area ---
Carroll, PESH, Plano, Cedar Hill, and Allen. Why travel if you don't have to?

[jrock210]

MNW??? Alot :D

[Hook-Em]

I don't think there is necessarily a "hey look at me" attitude but rather a give us a little respect attitude. There may also be the implication that there is a little bit of quality football played outside of the Metroplex.
(BTW, Abilene has traveled about 950 miles, if that has anything to do with the price of tea in China)

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The lower classifications really do some traveling.

[Grapeguy]

Carroll fans may have the fewest miles to travel for the remaining regular season games. 4 home games remain; 2 of the 3 away games are at Mustang-Panther Stadium. Due to an extremely limited # of convenient parking spaces, most of our fans will park at Dragon stadium however and take a shuttle the one mile over to Grapevine. We will have to travel 12-18 miles to play NW in Justin.

[svrangerfan]

Trinitys ride home from Odessa had to have felt like 10,000 miles.

[svhorns]

I don't think there is necessarily a "hey look at me" attitude but rather a give us a little respect attitude. There may also be the implication that there is a little bit of quality football played outside of the Metroplex.
(BTW, Abilene has traveled about 950 miles, if that has anything to do with the price of tea in China)

:D

[mojotrain]

This is about distance traveled to football games and was nothing to do about West Texas teams winning. It is about :cry:cry:cry:cry:bawl bags!:p

[KattTx]

The lower classifications really do some traveling.

I bet the six man teams have the most frequent traveler miles. There are some remote areas that still love their football.

[KattTx]

Somehow, I get the "Hey look at us" feeling from the travel the west Tex teams have done.

I could care less. There are plenty of superior teams in the DFW area ---
Carroll, PESH, Plano, Cedar Hill, and Allen. Why travel if you don't have to?

We know that feeling well... everytime an urban team has to travel past the burbs. :D ;)

[Vols4Ever]

Trinitys ride home from Odessa had to have felt like 10,000 miles.

Yup. They must have been bored stiff by the landscape on the way out there. Probably was a distraction.

I know driving between Abilene and Midland is a MISERABLE experience. Sweetwater is a nice place -- much props.

Most useless town award has to go to Post -- the speed trap capital of Texas! The notorious "2 miles over the limit" ticket.

Perhaps Tceh's campus and Ratliff are worth seeing out that way --- but man oh man -- the lush greenery and beauty of the hill country -- either Austin or College Station -- has much more appeal to me. I would love to go to a neutral site playoff game in Round Rock, College Station, Austin, San Antonio, heck -- I would even take the Houston area!

I am pretty sure should my team ever have to deal with Permian, they will force us to flip the coin in an attempt to keep our fans away. Isn't that the way it works? If so, then I hope we use the Freddie James strat in regards to refs.

[CKE]

only 337 for SV

[zippy]

Somehow, I get the "Hey look at us" feeling from the travel the west Tex teams have done.

I could care less. There are plenty of superior teams in the DFW area ---
Carroll, PESH, Plano, Cedar Hill, and Allen. Why travel if you don't have to?

They have to, if you are talking about West Tx teams. Its not like they have 30 5A schools within a 50 mile area around them. I dont get the "hey look at them" feeling from the post, it does have an impact, and its even more difficult to win out when you have to travel 100+ every week.

[svhorns]

Odessa Permian, 1200 miles.

thats nothin... SV has traveled give or take a few miles... about.... 290 miles...

Edit: actually about 300 forgot about the trip to judson

:D

[KattTx]

The team that gets screwed the most in 5A out here is San Angelo. They pull them from our district and put them with the panhandle teams. What the heck is that about? They have to drive PAST us to get to their games. :confused:

El Paso has enough to make up a district of 5A. And if Amarillo or Lubbock would puff up the numbers at one of their 4A's (Palo Duro) - they would have enough between them to make a district.

[zippy]

The team that gets screwed the most in 5A out here is San Angelo. They pull them from our district and put them with the panhandle teams. What the heck is that about? They have to drive PAST us to get to their games. :confused:

Its because they were getting their !&& kicked in that district, so they moved them. That is no joke either from what I hear. It is one of the most dumb things I have ever seen to be honest.

[Vols4Ever]

We know that feeling well... everytime an urban team has to travel past the burbs. :D ;)

My point is, if I am a 5A head coach in the DFW area, at district alignment time, I don't travel past Tyler or past Weatherford east to west. I dont travel past the Red River or past Waco.

I think long travel times are a distraction, and since city folks admittedly don't like to travel long distances, YES, I want to stay close to home as much as possible. City folks get criticized for this, but I city folks are typically always on the run and time is an issue --- that is just reality.

In addition, I recognize that there is no deficit in the number of quality teams, middle tier teams, and pushovers to schedule. So no matter how I pack my non-dis schedule, I can stay regional in North Texas.

[Vols4Ever]

They have to, if you are talking about West Tx teams. Its not like they have 30 5A schools within a 50 mile area around them. I dont get the "hey look at them" feeling from the post, it does have an impact, and its even more difficult to win out when you have to travel 100+ every week.

I wish the west Texas teams did not have to travel, but honestly ---- it's not my problem.

Every team has different challenges they have to face.

I understand the lack of 5A teams out there, but should that mean I take my team out there because of it? No way! That is there problem!

[Vols4Ever]

Its because they were getting their !&& kicked in that district, so they moved them. That is no joke either from what I hear. It is one of the most dumb things I have ever seen to be honest.

I agree - San Angelo got screwed.

But, to keep the so called "Little SWC" together in some form, someone has to be left out. Or --- Lubbock and Amarillo schools can have a very small district. It's just a few tumbleweed rolls down the road for each.

But San Angelo -- man oh man -- that sucks.

[SACokeSooner]

Some teams have barely traveled 15 miles all season.

[zippy]

I wish the west Texas teams did not have to travel, but honestly ---- it's not my problem.

Every team has different challenges they have to face.

I understand the lack of 5A teams out there, but should that mean I take my team out there because of it? No way! That is there problem!

Maybe its not all about you. Do you have a team? Maybe the kids would like to get outside of the area of DFW and see something new. I cant stand West Tx landscape, but if I have been stuck in DFW all my life, I would not mind going to Ratliff to play a game. One of the nicest high school fields in Texas is at Midland IMO. It really would have been cool to travel and play at that field, or Ratliff when I was in school. I would get sick of playing in the same area for 4 years. Its good to take a trip once a year. Another thing to think about, is it will become "your" problem at some point. During playoffs, you might not have a choice but to travel to the "wasteland" out west. Looks like a couple of teams have a great shot this year to go the distance out there. Home and home flip loss to West Tx could hurt if your team has never left a 10 mile radius. But your right, its not your problem, but I never said it was to begin with. Just pointing out the fact that they do not have a choice. I will leave it up to the coaches to decide if they want to schedule one or not.

[jdlewallen]

Some teams have barely traveled 15 miles all season.

Sheesh! That's like a trip to the stadium and back!!!!

But seriously, it's OK. We don't mind out here in West Texas - it's good prep for the playoffs!!!:p

[zippy]

I agree - San Angelo got screwed.

But, to keep the so called "Little SWC" together in some form, someone has to be left out. Or --- Lubbock and Amarillo schools can have a very small district. It's just a few tumbleweed rolls down the road for each.

But San Angelo -- man oh man -- that sucks.

I have a friend that was on that staff a while back when that took place. He also went to Angelo State. From what I hear that is one of the most backward school districts in the state. Up until a while back, the kids had to choose between B-Ball and football. If they played B-ball, they were not allowed to play football. Of course this hurt the football team. After that rule change, they acually did ok. Made a decent run into the playoffs the next year. I think it was Lamar that beat them out in Brownwood. He also said that the "decision makers" did say they wanted Central in a district that they could compete in. They were "ok" with the move, and kind of encouraged it. There were other options out there.

[Vols4Ever]

Maybe its not all about you. Do you have a team? Maybe the kids would like to get outside of the area of DFW and see something new. I cant stand West Tx landscape, but if I have been stuck in DFW all my life, I would not mind going to Ratliff to play a game. One of the nicest high school fields in Texas is at Midland IMO. It really would have been cool to travel and play at that field, or Ratliff when I was in school. I would get sick of playing in the same area for 4 years. Its good to take a trip once a year. Another thing to think about, is it will become "your" problem at some point. During playoffs, you might not have a choice but to travel to the "wasteland" out west. Looks like a couple of teams have a great shot this year to go the distance out there. Home and home flip loss to West Tx could hurt if your team has never left a 10 mile radius. But your right, its not your problem, but I never said it was to begin with. Just pointing out the fact that they do not have a choice. I will leave it up to the coaches to decide if they want to schedule one or not.

I never said it was all about me. If I was coaching kids, it would be about THEM first, and my COMMUNITY second.

I recognize that in the playoffs you might not have a choice. I just hope if that happens that my team would win more coin tosses than they lose.
I have been to Ratliff before, and while I respect it's rich history, I would rather play a game at Mansfield ISD stadium which is much nicer IMHO. Others I like better are the Gopher-Warrior Bowl, Birdville ISD, and Justin Northwest's new stadium.

Then again, with the renovations, it might be interesting to see how Ratliff will look then.

[KattTx]

He also said that the "decision makers" did say they wanted Central in a district that they could compete in. They were "ok" with the move, and kind of encouraged it. There were other options out there.

I wonder how they are feeling now after a season and a half of the travel. I would think the parents and kids would be tired of the distances. But, if that's where they want to be and the travel doesn't bother them... I do miss them though, it's just not the LSWC without SA Central! :p

[svhorns]

Its because they were getting their !&& kicked in that district, so they moved them. That is no joke either from what I hear. It is one of the most dumb things I have ever seen to be honest.

Is that why we were in 27-5a for those 2 years? you know I always wondered why we had to go past every North East school to get to our district games :D

[Vols4Ever]

I have a friend that was on that staff a while back when that took place. He also went to Angelo State. From what I hear that is one of the most backward school districts in the state. Up until a while back, the kids had to choose between B-Ball and football. If they played B-ball, they were not allowed to play football. Of course this hurt the football team. After that rule change, they acually did ok. Made a decent run into the playoffs the next year. I think it was Lamar that beat them out in Brownwood. He also said that the "decision makers" did say they wanted Central in a district that they could compete in. They were "ok" with the move, and kind of encouraged it. There were other options out there.

Then their ISD is stupid, and it is WRONG for the UIL to collude with them. Although Highland Park ISD is the best at engineering themselves to within 5 students below the 5A cutoff! You are right on this matter -- San Angelo Central should be with the big boys closer to them. The other thing is that it is not fair the Amarillo and Lubbock ISD's to force the extra travel.

I love historic rivalries and series. But I am also a taxpayer, and like to see money used wisely and efficiently. It might be time for the little SWC to break up, and the Abilene schools to head east with Weatherford, Granbury, Pascal, etc.... it happened in East Texas when Marshall dropped to 4A.

You might want to shoot me for that.....so be it.

[zippy]

Is that why we were in 27-5a for those 2 years? you know I always wondered why we had to go past every North East school to get to our district games :D

:D That was one heck of a move, but it sure has been interesting since then, thats all I know. Its like a playoff game 3-4 district games every year now. Its been fun.

[KattTx]

It might be time for the little SWC to break up, and the Abilene schools to head east with Weatherford, Granbury, Pascal, etc.... it happened in East Texas when Marshall dropped to 4A.

You might want to shoot me for that.....so be it.

My humble opinion on the matter is that one of the barely 4A schools in Amarillo or Lubbock should be included as a 5A. That would reduce SA's, Amarillo's, and Lubbock's travel costs and only increase each of our travel expenses one/school every other year.

SA Central is in our district in every sport except football. hmmmm....

[zippy]

Then their ISD is stupid, and it is WRONG for the UIL to collude with them. Although Highland Park ISD is the best at engineering themselves to within 5 students below the 5A cutoff! You are right on this matter -- San Angelo Central should be with the big boys closer to them. The other thing is that it is not fair the Amarillo and Lubbock ISD's to force the extra travel.

I love historic rivalries and series. But I am also a taxpayer, and like to see money used wisely and efficiently. It might be time for the little SWC to break up, and the Abilene schools to head east with Weatherford, Granbury, Pascal, etc.... it happened in East Texas when Marshall dropped to 4A.

You might want to shoot me for that.....so be it.

I honestly do not care what happens out there. I do agree, there are better alternatives. Just not my concern, much like its not yours. As long as SV is winning, I am happy. BTW, they were trying to work out a deal with Permian a while back. I think SL got it instead. I just think its good every so often to play a true road game. With fuel costs like they are today, I agree, it cost a lot to do so, but its also a once in a lifetime type deal, and worth it. As for the San Angelo Central deal, that is BS. for the taxpayer. I guess thats one of the reasons that town has one of the highest property tax rates in the state...

[zippy]

My humble opinion on the matter is that one of the barely 4A schools in Amarillo or Lubbock should be included as a 5A. That would reduce SA's, Amarillo's, and Lubbock's travel costs and only increase each of our travel expenses one/school every other year.

SA Central is in our district in every sport except football. hmmmm....

I thought I cleared that up..;)

[KattTx]

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I thought I cleared that up..;)

Hahaha... My LSWC tinted shades won't let me accept that explanation. :p

[mojotrain]

I wish the west Texas teams did not have to travel, but honestly ---- it's not my problem.

Every team has different challenges they have to face.

I understand the lack of 5A teams out there, but should that mean I take my team out there because of it? No way! That is there problem!

V4E, I started this string. It was not my intent to cry about west Texas teams having to travel. We travel, we don't mind. It's ok with us. This string was started to make fun of another string started about distance metroplex teams were travel. The post was not a plea to you to see if you would make it one of your problems and help us out. We were not asking for your help.

If we ever do play you again in the playoffs, thanks to the gimmy boys at UIL it will be at your home or Dallas or Austin or Houston. Otherwise it will be a home and home. At any of those events, Permian fans will out number the Vols fans. As I mentioned distance is nothing to us.

[jdlewallen]

Not sure if they qualify as the most, but it looks like Crane is doing some serious miles...As do all teams in West Texas....

Puttin' On The Miles (http://www.oaoa.com/news/bus_8169___article.html/football_team.html)

[slorch]

I think most West Texas schools and their fans expect to have to travel to a certain degree. i would include the deep east Texas schools in this too. Both the programs and their supporters know it is a way of life in Texas.

My beef is with the folks in the metro areas that act as if all of the games should come to them. Such arrogance is maddening. While some schools have an attitude of, " we'll play you in Missouri if we have to," others act as if it is somehow unfair that they have to drive more than 30 minutes to their game. Get over it. do what the rest of the state has been doing for years!

This is another reason i do not like the predetermined championship sites. Let the coaches decide what is best for their teams, within the confines of the rules, of course.

[CCDawg]

Some teams have barely traveled 15 miles all season.


As I mentioned in a thread similar to this one earlier this week, so far Killeen High has played 4 games, and all 4 have been at their home stadium which is on their campus so they've traveled 0 miles. They played 3 against the other 3 KISD high schools (all 4 share the stadium though LPMom mentioned Killeen was the home team at each game this year); they followed that with a home game against Pflugerville Connally. This Friday the 28th is the first week they have to load the buses and it's the halfway point of their season.

[slorch]

Some teams have barely traveled 15 miles all season.

The Woodlands schools almost do that for "home" games!

[mojotrain]

I think most West Texas schools and their fans expect to have to travel to a certain degree. i would include the deep east Texas schools in this too. Both the programs and their supporters know it is a way of life in Texas.

My beef is with the folks in the metro areas that act as if all of the games should come to them. Such arrogance is maddening. While some schools have an attitude of, " we'll play you in Missouri if we have to," others act as if it is somehow unfair that they have to drive more than 30 minutes to their game. Get over it. do what the rest of the state has been doing for years!

This is another reason i do not like the predetermined championship sites. Let the coaches decide what is best for their teams, within the confines of the rules, of course.

Slorch I agree with your post, but I bring it on down to a personal level.
IMO it shows just how much sacrifice a person is willing to put forth to support a group of kid's. I guess the travel time and/or money cuts into more important things for others. It's simply a matter of where you want to put your prioritys.

[Mojo89]

Talk about miles traveled...

http://www.oaoa.com/news/bus_8169___article.html/football_team.html

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Then their ISD is stupid, and it is WRONG for the UIL to collude with them. Although Highland Park ISD is the best at engineering themselves to within 5 students below the 5A cutoff! You are right on this matter -- San Angelo Central should be with the big boys closer to them. The other thing is that it is not fair the Amarillo and Lubbock ISD's to force the extra travel.

I love historic rivalries and series. But I am also a taxpayer, and like to see money used wisely and efficiently. It might be time for the little SWC to break up, and the Abilene schools to head east with Weatherford, Granbury, Pascal, etc.... it happened in East Texas when Marshall dropped to 4A.

You might want to shoot me for that.....so be it.

Hell, Abilene is closer to the Metroplex than it is to Odessa and Midland. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Talk about miles traveled...

http://www.oaoa.com/news/bus_8169___article.html/football_team.html

That's a long way to be rollin'!

[mojotrain]

Hell, Abilene is closer to the Metroplex than it is to Odessa and Midland. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

San Angelo drives through Abilene going to Amarillo and through Midland going to Lubbock.

[Texas Bob]

"It's not an away game unless you cross at least three counties and change time zones" -- Matt - 7th grade McCamey offensive lineman

[SanAngeloBobcat]

San Angelo drives through Abilene going to Amarillo and through Midland going to Lubbock.

LOL! You need to check your map again. The trip from SA to Lubbock and on to Amarillo is either SA to Big Spring to Lubbock or SA to Snyder to Post to Lubbock

Zippy--I'm not sure who your source is, but SAISD never requested to be placed in a different district. First, the UIL doesn't accept "requests" and seond, SAISD loses thousands and thousands of dollars during football season by having to travel such great distances and playing in front of much smaller corwds. When SA was in the LSWC, they had much less travel and made lots more $ by playing in front of 10,000+ fans every week during district play. So it wouldn't really make sense for SAISD to request a change.

[mojotrain]

LOL! You need to check your map again. The trip from SA to Lubbock and on to Amarillo is either SA to Big Spring to Lubbock or SA to Snyder to Post to Lubbock

Zippy--I'm not sure who your source is, but SAISD never requested to be placed in a different district. First, the UIL doesn't accept "requests" and seond, SAISD loses thousands and thousands of dollars during football season by having to travel such great distances and playing in front of much smaller corwds. When SA was in the LSWC, they had much less travel and made lots more $ by playing in front of 10,000+ fans every week during district play. So it wouldn't really make sense for SAISD to request a change.

Well whats a few extra miles. You should go through Midland. Look at the tall buildings.

[zippy]

LOL! You need to check your map again. The trip from SA to Lubbock and on to Amarillo is either SA to Big Spring to Lubbock or SA to Snyder to Post to Lubbock

Zippy--I'm not sure who your source is, but SAISD never requested to be placed in a different district. First, the UIL doesn't accept "requests" and seond, SAISD loses thousands and thousands of dollars during football season by having to travel such great distances and playing in front of much smaller corwds. When SA was in the LSWC, they had much less travel and made lots more $ by playing in front of 10,000+ fans every week during district play. So it wouldn't really make sense for SAISD to request a change.

The source on this one is solid. I am sure SAISD did never request to have a crook placed in the sytem as the Sup. but that occured. What was it, a 4000 cell phone bill once? Not to mention all the money he ripped off. Maybe thats where the funds were lost to. They have pull on some of these issues one way or another. Why else would they do something like this. May have used other "reasons" for the change, but thats all that makes any sense in it. There are more politics in these deals than there are in D.C. Could be wrong about the entire deal, but the source was good, and if you can come up with a reason why they "really" did this, I would second guess it.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

The reason why the UIL moved San Angelo Central from their traditional district and placed them with the Lubbock and Amarillo schools is that:

1. At that time, the UIL required at least 6 teams per district if at all possible. Amarillo Palo Duro dropped to 4A, which left only 5 schools with a 5A enrollment (Lubbock, Coronado, Monterey, Amarillo, Tascosa). This district would need another school to make 6.

2. Also, the UIL tries to avoid having 7 team districts (for scheduling reasons) unless there is another 7 team district nearby. The LSWC had 7 teams for several years after Big Spring dropped to 4A. So, to help alleviate the problem with the number of Amarillo and Lubbock schools, and as a bonus being able to make two 6-team districts, San Angelo was placed in the other district.

3. Why was SA moved and not some other West Texas school? The UIL does not split schools who are part of the same ISD into different districts unless it is absolutely necessary. SA was the only 5A school out here that stood alone in an ISD, so SA was really the only choice.

I'm not really sure what Dr. Gonzales and his legal problems when he was superintendant of SAISD really has to do with what football district SA was placed in...:confused:

[svrangerfan]

Why don't more metroplex schools agree to play Midland or Odessa in Abilene. Both teams have to travel then.

[The King]

Why don't more metroplex schools agree to play Midland or Odessa in Abilene. Both teams have to travel then.

People in the city really don't want to Drive that far. In J high I played in a small West Texas school and we traveled long distances, because quiet honestly it was a long way to the next school. In High School I played at Katy and we never left Harris County. The year after I left they played all they way to state, and only left Harris County to play one game in Fort Bend County, but even that was still part of the Metro Houston Area.

Most people in Houston or DFW don't really have a full grasp of the concept of "Their ain't anything past the city water main" That the people in West Texas do. Some places in the Permian Basin area, don't even have cows. In fact an awful lot of it looks like moonscape.

Having said that traveling is good for the team. Especially one that wants to be successful in late stages of the playoffs.