Newton is the spark SLC needed

[BAMF cowboy]

I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread on Tre, so here it is. For the first couple weeks of the season (Midland Lee, Coppell and Plano East) many said how although the offense put up big points, and hefty offensive numbers, there was still a certain spark missing from the dragon attack. That spark has arrived, in the form of Tre Newton. There has been an obvious difference in the Dragon's explosiveness since his first start against Fossil Ridge. He has proved that at any given time in a game, he can break it wide open up the middle. Now defenses will have to be wary of this, and have to take some much needed focus away from the pass attack. To me, there has been such a huge difference in the offense before and after his starting debut. Before I wasn't so sure... but now I honestly think Tre is the reason the dragons will make it back to state this year.

Oh yeah, did I mention he's FAST?

....DISCUSS!

[dragons08]

yes he is, he is the spark, takes the pressure off mcelroy

[dragonsdaddy]

tre is still a babe, but a very talented babe. when he grows into the newton frame a little, he will be a beast. he has become a pretty fair blocker and hasn't dropped any passes that i have seen, and hasn't fumbled any either. he is just now beginning to show what he can do. he will be one of the top rb's in texas next year and in the country as a sr. he needs to pick up about 30 lbs and keep his speed, and there'll be heck to pay when he gets loose in the backfield. working in the spread will require him to be a well-rounded rb, and thus highly desireable to lots of programs. with him and rd together, the running spread will be a thing to behold.

[Dds115]

Would any of you go so far as to say we could have another Daniel/Luna pair up with Dodge and Tre? I would venture to say so.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

As if my boys "SLC" needed ANOTHER spark...they have a farely soild one in Tre!!!

Wow!!! "Turn out the lights....the parties over...."


NO DISCUSSION NEEDED!!

Southlake Carroll - 2005 State and National Champs!!

[RidgePride]

I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread on Tre, so here it is. For the first couple weeks of the season (Midland Lee, Coppell and Plano East) many said how although the offense put up big points, and hefty offensive numbers, there was still a certain spark missing from the dragon attack. That spark has arrived, in the form of Tre Newton. There has been an obvious difference in the Dragon's explosiveness since his first start against Fossil Ridge. He has proved that at any given time in a game, he can break it wide open up the middle. Now defenses will have to be wary of this, and have to take some much needed focus away from the pass attack. To me, there has been such a huge difference in the offense before and after his starting debut. Before I wasn't so sure... but now I honestly think Tre is the reason the dragons will make it back to state this year.

Oh yeah, did I mention he's FAST?

....DISCUSS!

I remember telling one of you Southlake fans before the season started that running back would not be an issue for you guys.

[dragonsdaddy]

i hoped as much, but as a dragon fan, i had more to lose if you were wrong.

[RidgePride]

Would any of you go so far as to say we could have another Daniel/Luna pair up with Dodge and Tre? I would venture to say so.

Yes you do....
I even think that the SLC system works better with Dodge at QB.
Southlake will be very good for several years to come...

[drgnbkr]

Buford back at center has sparked the O line also.....contributing to the holes Newton gets to run through...

[southlake thug]

plus mcelroy is a human highlight real.

[dragonsdaddy]

rd and tre better be ready to shoulder the load with their legs early, as we will graduate every reception this year, except for the few from ford, who's at cb now. there will be lots of spots up for grabs on both sides of the ball, but wr will be esp hard hit. i expect there'll be some underclassmen who'll step up, but we won't know until spring. wish we could've red shirted one or two.

[SLCDad]

Two points:

1. Several have mentioned Tre's speed. Did you know he is the 3rd fastest on the team behind Jacobson and Renforw? That's fast.

2. I know I'm sounding like a broken record and I know I'm going WAY out on a limb, but I think THIS Dragon team could be better than the 2004 version. All round this team as more weapons than ever and the defense may be the best yet. Time will tell if I am right.

[zippy]

So when will be the Dragons first real test this year? I figured Lee would have been, but everyone knows what kind of team they turned out to be. Are you guys going to have to wait until the playoffs this year to get a true test?

[SLCDad]

So when will be the Dragons first real test this year? I figured Lee would have been, but everyone knows what kind of team they turned out to be. Are you guys going to have to wait until the playoffs this year to get a true test?SLC CRUSHED undefeated Colleyville Heritage last week. Does that count? They play 4-1 Haltom this week and 4-1 Denton Ryan next week. 5-5A is the 6th ranked 5A district in the state out of 32 districts.

You make a partially valid point though. SLC will breeze through district play like they usually do. None of the teams should give them a true test. Only a handful of teams in Texas could give SLC a true test.

[zippy]

So playoffs again this year I guess? You guys had 3 very good tests last year, but passed them :mad: I personally wished you would have failed the last one. And for both of us I am glad that Trinity is going D1. I see them taking that this year beating Clemens in the state game. 6th, I guess that district is getting a little harder than it has been. Some good records this year at least until SLC rolls past them.


SLC CRUSHED undefeated Colleyville Heritage last week. Does that count? They play 4-1 Haltom this week and 4-1 Denton Ryan next week. 5-5A is the 6th ranked 5A district in the state out of 32 districts.

You make a partially valid point though. SLC will breeze through district play like they usually do. None of the teams should give them a true test. Only a handful of teams in Texas could give SLC a true test.

[SLCDad]

I guess that district is getting a little harder than it has been. Some good records this year at least until SLC rolls past them.The district is always good. Year in and year out. I'm not sure where people get the impression that it's an easy district. It's not #1 or #2 but it's solid.

[zippy]

I dont think its bottom of the barrel by any means... Not even close. I think one of the reasons it is as high as it is, is because of SLC and Denton Ryan. Colleyville is a so so team. After that there is not much there, or at least has not been in the past. Didnt SLC beat one of them like 70-0 last year? This year District 6 seems to be real tough, but it also has its bad teams too. Based on the state, there are several that are tougher, but in the region, it is toward the top quarter, I agree with you there.

The district is always good. Year in and year out. I'm not sure where people get the impression that it's an easy district. It's not #1 or #2 but it's solid.

[SLCDad]

I dont think its bottom of the barrel by any means... Not even close. I think one of the reasons it is as high as it is, is because of SLC and Denton Ryan. Colleyville is a so so team. After that there is not much there, or at least has not been in the past. Didnt SLC beat one of them like 70-0 last year? This year District 6 seems to be real tough, but it also has its bad teams too. Based on the state, there are several that are tougher, but in the region, it is toward the top quarter, I agree with you there.SLC beat Coppell 70-0 last year in a pre-district game. They scored a touchdown on every possession except the last one because time expired.

[zippy]

That is just sad man... At least give them a free TD. You know what that must have felt like? Wow.

SLC beat Coppell 70-0 last year in a pre-district game. They scored a touchdown on every possession except the last one because time expired.

[SLCDad]

That is just sad man... At least give them a free TD. You know what that must have felt like? Wow.SLC has scored 10 touchdowns this year on drives that lasted less than a minute.

[dragonfly]

It was 70-21 last year with Coppell

[Favpack]

I certainly won't touch a discussion about "who have you played"? But, clearly SLC has played no one with any D team speed whatsoever, and may not until the playoffs. Sounds as though the spread will be run first, throw second next year - that can be a real lethal weapon, but a different one for sure for SLC.

[toonman]

From what I saw last season, Luna was huge part of the SLC offense and that component of the SLC offense appeared to have been missing this season - that is until Newton started to showcase his talent. I see the Colleyville Heritage game as the turning point in SLC's season. SLC destroyed the "Great Pretender" with a multi faceted offense, both passing and rushing; with Newton leading the charge. This is of concern because SLC now have both a high powered rushing game to go with the high powered passing game.
SLC is still one of, if not the best, teams in 5A. It is a difficult choice between; Euless Trinity, Longview and Lufkin. As at today SLC’s edges it.

[SLCDad]

I certainly won't touch a discussion about "who have you played"? But, clearly SLC has played no one with any D team speed whatsoever, and may not until the playoffs. Sounds as though the spread will be run first, throw second next year - that can be a real lethal weapon, but a different one for sure for SLC.You are right regarding SLC's opponents so far.

I don't think I would categorize SLC's approach as run first, throw second. The shotgun and 4 WRs will always be there. Perhaps a better way to say it is 'take what the defense gives" run or pass. Up until the last two weeks that meant a choice between a long pass or a short pass. Colleyville blitzed constantly which opened up the run. Many of the passes were short throws with lots of yards after the catch. For example, Jacobsen's 90 yard TD reception was a short pass then run, run, run. Newton and McElroy also had a couple of long runs.

[TheDuke]

Can anyone post a pic of Newton?

[Favpack]

You are right regarding SLC's opponents so far.

I don't think I would categorize SLC's approach as run first, throw second. The shotgun and 4 WRs will always be there. Perhaps a better way to say it is 'take what the defense gives" run or pass. Up until the last two weeks that meant a choice between a long pass or a short pass. Colleyville blitzed constantly which opened up the run. Many of the passes were short throws with lots of yards after the catch. For example, Jacobsen's 90 yard TD reception was a short pass then run, run, run. Newton and McElroy also had a couple of long runs.

SLCDad - SLC could smash even their own lofty pass records this year, that's why post reference was for NEXT year. From what I hear Riley is a great running qb, plus you get Tre back, AND according to DD you lose all of your great wr's. Sounds like that might be a recipe to run more next year.

[Fleeman93]

Two points:

1. Several have mentioned Tre's speed. Did you know he is the 3rd fastest on the team behind Jacobson and Renforw? That's fast.

2. I know I'm sounding like a broken record and I know I'm going WAY out on a limb, but I think THIS Dragon team could be better than the 2004 version. All round this team as more weapons than ever and the defense may be the best yet. Time will tell if I am right.

Is there anywhere that I can get some box scores for SLC for this year and last. Need to check the rushing and passing numbers, but as of now SLC has given up 17 more points through 5 games when comparing last year to this year. Just wondering if this defense is better.

[SLCDad]

I don't know of a source for box scores from 2004.

[DragonFan]

I think the Defense is the best one I have seen in SLC in 3 years. You cannot go on points against in blowout type of games. Most of the yards and scores are of the "So What" variety after the game is turly put away and the 2nd and 3rds are in. At SLC it seems it is not 2nd and 3rd it is Primary and Scondary players because everyone gets playing time!

[BAMF cowboy]

we don't get a real test all season because we're so good!!!

haha that's huge flame-bait right there ;)

[DragonFan]

Plano East had a very physical and fast defense. In fact I believe they were the best defense that the Dragons have seen this year. Plano East had no offense! If Plano East's offense could have taken some of the pressure off of the Defense then they could be a really good team.

[Blitzkreig]

Football "101: an effective passing attack depends on the running game. Outstanding '04 QB changed many, many, plays at line and/or called his own number. He was not a pro-style QB. Under 6' could not see over the line all the time and stayed pretty much out of the pocket although he got superior OL blocking. There were also questions regarding his ability to read defenses. He did however use passing lanes effectively...and was more than merely lucky as some have said. Luna was greatly underutilized last year, but was known to always be dangerous. Teams had to consider him in their defense. Latter said, it was a very successful season for judicious use of mix of passing and the "snap plus 2 and cloud of dust" offense. Luna is missed because he had all the attributes of an outstanding running back: he was smart, tough/durable and, of great import in the spread and passing offense it supports, he was an excellent blocker. One of best I've seen as HS level. Backfield blocking is essential with outstanding pro-style QB SLC currently has. While the OL pass blocking has picked up...backfield blocking needs work. Of additional concern is fact Tre has a history of serious injuries. Go Dragons!

[slcsportsfan]

Football "101: an effective passing attack depends on the running game. Outstanding '04 QB changed many, many, plays at line and/or called his own number. He was not a pro-style QB. Under 6' could not see over the line all the time and stayed pretty much out of the pocket although he got superior OL blocking. There were also questions regarding his ability to read defenses. He did however use passing lanes effectively...and was more than merely lucky as some have said. Luna was greatly underutilized last year, but was known to always be dangerous. Teams had to consider him in their defense. Latter said, it was a very successful season for judicious use of mix of passing and the "snap plus 2 and cloud of dust" offense. Luna is missed because he had all the attributes of an outstanding running back: he was smart, tough/durable and, of great import in the spread and passing offense it supports, he was an excellent blocker. One of best I've seen as HS level. Backfield blocking is essential with outstanding pro-style QB SLC currently has. While the OL pass blocking has picked up...backfield blocking needs work. Of additional concern is fact Tre has a history of serious injuries. Go Dragons!

I think it is funny that people tend to forget that he was fast. Didn't he post a 4.38 at the A&M Nike Combine?

IMO this offense should continue to improve as the season goes forward. Tre should be able to get more comfortable and McElroy will not feel that he has to "prove" to everyone that he is good on every pass. Dodge will settle in and know his role. The young o-line will continue to improve as well. Injuries will be the issue for this team at any position other than receiver. For those expecting Tre to be Luna or continue to compare them. I don't feel you can. They are two different players. Luna did everything for 3 years. Leading kick returner, deep snapper, lead team in yards from scrimmage. Luna sat with the lineman when he wasn't on the field. I saw in some article his favorite player was Walter Payton, after watching him run, I see who he played like. Tre is a pure runner. More like Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk. He is more inclined to make a guy miss than try to run over him. As DD has said before, when/if he gains some more weight and is able to keep his speed, he will be something to watch. I think it's too bad McElroy isn't a jr. Those two, IMO, would be a tougher combo to defend against.

[drgnbkr]

[QUOTE=Blitzkreig]Football "101: an effective passing attack depends on the running game. Outstanding '04 QB changed many, many, plays at line and/or called his own number. He was not a pro-style QB. Under 6' could not see over the line all the time and stayed pretty much out of the pocket although he got superior OL blocking.

Are you saying Daniel was under 6' ? Could'nt see over the lineman? I guess Missouri really screwed up recruiting him and now naming him the #2 QB as a true freshman....what are you talking about?

[slcdragons]

Can anyone post a pic of Newton?
Here is a link to the Star Telegram article on the Colleyville Heritage game. It has a picture of TN.


http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/other_sports/12792548.htm

[southlake thug]

Are you saying Daniel was under 6' ? Could'nt see over the lineman? I guess Missouri really screwed up recruiting him and now naming him the #2 QB as a true freshman....what are you talking about?

Haha I was wondering the same thing.

[RidgePride]

More like Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk. He is more inclined to make a guy miss than try to run over him.

He reminds me more of Marcus Allen

[RidgePride]

I think it's too bad McElroy isn't a jr. Those two, IMO, would be a tougher combo to defend against.

Well Dodge is a sophomore like Newton

Dodge is a lot more like Chase Daniel IMHO.

[dragonfootballfan]

. I saw in some article his favorite player was Walter Payton, after watching him run, I see who he played like. Tre is a pure runner. More like Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk. He is more inclined to make a guy miss than try to run over him. As DD has said before, when/if he gains some more weight and is able to keep his speed, he will be something to watch. I think it's too bad McElroy isn't a jr. Those two, IMO, would be a tougher combo to defend against.
Tre is not the make many guys miss type of runner. He makes one move and is gone. He will run through half a player rather than make an entire player miss.

[Favpack]

I think he's a combination of Mercury Morris, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson and, hmmmm.....Adrian Peterson.

You guys are killing me! - lol

[drgnbkr]

I think he's a combination of Mercury Morris, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson and, hmmmm.....Adrian Peterson.

You guys are killing me! - lol

Hey Fav..it's the middle of the week..last weeks game is receding into the foggy corners of our memory..this weeks game is one nobody wants to talk about ...what do we do?

[SLCDad]

I think he's a combination of Mercury Morris, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson and, hmmmm.....Adrian Peterson.

You guys are killing me! - lolHe reminds me of Michael Jordan but at times I could swear I'm watching Lance Armstrong. He also runs a lot like Venus and Serena Williams. This guy is amazing.

[ALLSTAR]

NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THE OLINE, they are the main reason tre' gets those runs off. hes pretty talented, so that helps too.

[dragonbuck]

Two points:

1. Several have mentioned Tre's speed. Did you know he is the 3rd fastest on the team behind Jacobson and Renforw? That's fast.

2. I know I'm sounding like a broken record and I know I'm going WAY out on a limb, but I think THIS Dragon team could be better than the 2004 version. All round this team as more weapons than ever and the defense may be the best yet. Time will tell if I am right.


This D is good, but the '02 D was loaded with talent many of whom should have gone D1

[dragonbuck]

[QUOTE=Blitzkreig]Football "101: an effective passing attack depends on the running game. Outstanding '04 QB changed many, many, plays at line and/or called his own number. He was not a pro-style QB. Under 6' could not see over the line all the time and stayed pretty much out of the pocket although he got superior OL blocking.

Are you saying Daniel was under 6' ? Could'nt see over the lineman? I guess Missouri really screwed up recruiting him and now naming him the #2 QB as a true freshman....what are you talking about?


Missouri did not make a mistake, and if B. Smith doesn't stop coughing the ball up, He may be watching Chase Daniel from the sidelines sooner rather than later. Issue with CD is his height. Dispite what the programs may say, he is not even 6'0". He makes up for that in many ways including his toughness, heart, and winning attitude. I guess you tend to develop a winning attitude when you go 47-1 as a varsity starter in HS.

[dragonfly]

NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THE OLINE, they are the main reason tre' gets those runs off. hes pretty talented, so that helps too.

It is no coincidence that the Dragons running game improved when Buford got back and the other lineman were back in their normal positions.

[Lamont Cranston]

[QUOTE=Blitzkreig]Football "101: an effective passing attack depends on the running game. Outstanding '04 QB changed many, many, plays at line and/or called his own number. He was not a pro-style QB. Under 6' could not see over the line all the time and stayed pretty much out of the pocket although he got superior OL blocking.

Are you saying Daniel was under 6' ? Could'nt see over the lineman? I guess Missouri really screwed up recruiting him and now naming him the #2 QB as a true freshman....what are you talking about?

Drgnbkr, since you spend allot of time on these threads assumed you have/had some first hand knowledge of SLC players and their game. As Blitzkreig said, Daniel is under 6'...which is a fact. Don't be deceived by program measurements...most are bogus. You didn't need a scouting report for that one, McElroy towered over him on sidelines. Either he couldn't see over linemen or couldn't read defenses, as he declined to step into the pocket and elected to run on quite a lot of called pass plays. EA Sports, who runs Elite 11 competition, ranked him low on reads. Re: Missouri. Think Daniel will do well in a mediocre program with absolutely no talent behind #1. He is a superior all-around athlete who mostly because of size was not highly recruited even though he was twice POY. Fact remains: HS ball success doesn't ensure college recruitment. Different game with different requiremets. Different subject: remain puzzled regarding some SLC fan's fixation on next year. Would suggest these folks concentrate on this year. They have "Thunder" and "Lightening", aka McElroy and Newton in '05 as proven in the last game. Hopefully, they will continue to be utilized correctly and McElroy's continuity will stop being interrupted.

[SLCDad]

[QUOTE=drgnbkr]

Drgnbkr, since you spend allot of time on these threads assumed you have/had some first hand knowledge of SLC players and their game. As Blitzkreig said, Daniel is under 6'...which is a fact. Don't be deceived by program measurements...most are bogus. You didn't need a scouting report for that one, McElroy towered over him on sidelines. Either he couldn't see over linemen or couldn't read defenses, as he declined to step into the pocket and elected to run on quite a lot of called pass plays. EA Sports, who runs Elite 11 competition, ranked him low on reads. Re: Missouri. Think Daniel will do well in a mediocre program with absolutely no talent behind #1. He is a superior all-around athlete who mostly because of size was not highly recruited even though he was twice POY. Fact remains: HS ball success doesn't ensure college recruitment. Different game with different requiremets. Different subject: remain puzzled regarding some SLC fan's fixation on next year. Would suggest these folks concentrate on this year. They have "Thunder" and "Lightening", aka McElroy and Newton in '05 as proven in the last game. Hopefully, they will continue to be utilized correctly and McElroy's continuity will stop being interrupted.I agree with most of what you say.

Regarding your suggestion to Coach Dodge on how to run the offense, I'd suggest you leave that to him. I've also wondered about the loss of continuity, but how can you dispute the #1 scoring offense in Texas? There are some benefits from the current platoon system. McElroy has more opportunity to remain fresh throughout the game (as if SLC needs that). Taking a breather every 3rd series is not all bad. The opposing defense had better adjust quickly depending on who is in the game and it's a given that not everyone will do that. Further, do you think McElroy is more motivated to play better and smarter with Riley on the sidelines? No doubt Coach Dodge is also thinking about the future.

The bottom line is that SLC's offense has been truly outstanding the last two games. I don't think they need any suggestions from me or you.

[raidercheerdad]

Did SLC need a spark????

[dragonfootballfan]

Did SLC need a spark????
From the results of the Plano East game they needed something to get the offense going

[SLCDad]

NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THE OLINE, they are the main reason tre' gets those runs off. hes pretty talented, so that helps too.Very good point. Daniel/Luna and McElroy/Newton get most of the kudos but they are only as good as the offensive lines makes them.

[fabdragnfan]

As I stated in a post this summer....Newton will be better than Luna

[Blitzkreig]

[QUOTE=Lamont Cranston]I agree with most of what you say.

Regarding your suggestion to Coach Dodge on how to run the offense, I'd suggest you leave that to him. I've also wondered about the loss of continuity, but how can you dispute the #1 scoring offense in Texas? There are some benefits from the current platoon system. McElroy has more opportunity to remain fresh throughout the game (as if SLC needs that). Taking a breather every 3rd series is not all bad. The opposing defense had better adjust quickly depending on who is in the game and it's a given that not everyone will do that. Further, do you think McElroy is more motivated to play better and smarter with Riley on the sidelines? No doubt Coach Dodge is also thinking about the future.

The bottom line is that SLC's offense has been truly outstanding the last two games. I don't think they need any suggestions from me or you.

You're out of context...again. LC's post was not a suggestion but a thought. As in "hopefully". Concur QB carousels are questionable. It breaks continuity of QB as well as OL and receivers. McElroy needing any motivation to perform better than the 17-yr old soph factor is laughable. Concur that "platoon" will cause some confusion to opposition D's, but how much for how long. But then again maybe for that one big play. Who knows? Coach "D" is undoubtedly thinking about Dragon FB future as he should be. He'd best since QB depth behind, parallel to, and a year of ahead of Jr. appears to be relatively bleak. Which in itself is interesting but also fully understood. But then again, CHS keeps pulling rabbits out of the hat. Best luck to Dragons this Fri.!

[DragonFan]

Riley Dodge gets the 3rd set of downs in all the games. He does not get every third set only the set of dows the 3rd time the Dragons get the ball in the game. He also gets a lot of 4th quarter time because the game is usally out of reach by that time. That has been the way it has worked so far. Will it continue that way? I do not know! Does it work? So far so good! Do I like it? Not really. However RD has scored on a lot of his sets of downs so does it matter who scores the points just as long as they get scored.

The O line is the secret to SLC. Without it then nothing else works. The big boys make the machine purr. Plus the big guys have to be in great shape because of the number of plays they get per game! SLC has some of the best conditioned linemen I have seen. They have to run up to the new line of scrimmage and when the team averages over 10+ yards a play, then the Linemen are sprinting 10 plus yards a play getting set up to spint again. You never see them waking to the next play.

[SLCDad]

You're out of context...again. LC's post was not a suggestion but a thought. As in "hopefully".LOL I knew very well what it was. I'm glad you cleared that up . . . so when Todd Dodge reads the post he won't get confused.

[southlake thug]

Yeah the O-Line has been real impressive this year. I think in the past 2 weeks they have really started to get the credit that they deseserve. I expect them to have another good performance this week and continue the rest of the year. They are very good, and very under-rated.

[SLCDad]

The O line is the secret to SLC. Without it then nothing else works. The big boys make the machine purr. Plus the big guys have to be in great shape because of the number of plays they get per game! SLC has some of the best conditioned linemen I have seen. They have to run up to the new line of scrimmage and when the team averages over 10+ yards a play, then the Linemen are sprinting 10 plus yards a play getting set up to spint again. You never see them waking to the next play.On the other hand . . . since SLC almost never wins the time of possession game the O line has more time to rest. They can put their feet up and have a cool drink until the next offensive series starts. Then . . . they only have to be on the field for a minute or two anyway.

Not only that, they don't need to squat into the 3-point stance every play. That counts for something.

[Lamont Cranston]

Hey Blitz I'm suppose to have the ability to cloud men's minds! Comments on another site indicate you have access to scouting materials. I'll pass some excerpts we picked up to listed "E" if still valid. Side/margin comments pretty much validate "laughable" bit. Real jam job. Looking forward to tonight's SLC/HC game. Will travel to see it rather than tape. Fast becoming a rabid Dragon fan. SLC Coach/players operating at much higher than HS tempo, outstanding/adaptable defense, constantly improving O/L, one of TX top QB's, fast developing Newton, quick, quick, quick, and classy fan base. Not a particularly startling revelation ...dummies couldn't make that offense click. Carroll by 28!