SLC vs. Denton Ryan

[fabdragnfan]

We're less than 2 weeks away...anyone with spread predictions?

[AllenEagle06]

Ryan isn't as good as they were last year so SLC will come through with a big win.

SLC 49
DR 17

[DragonFan]

I do not think Denton Ryan is as good as last year. Their defense is missing some of its key players from last year. Ryan can play with most teams but will not be able to keep up with SLC. However, the only other 5A team to beat Denton Ryan is SLC. Ryan will be extreamly excited about playing SLC in Denton at their new stadium! A close game to start but the same outcome as the last two meetings. SLC by 14 + points.

[luckyfighter05]

Carroll by a lot. I'm actually looking forward to the DR vs. CHHS game. I see colleyville as a little over rated at this point and DR has looked solid, besides their season opener. I think the 4 major contenders for the 2 remaining playoff spots(SLC has pretty much got number 1) are CHHS, DR, FR and GV. I think DR will take 2nd with GV and CHHS battling the last game of the season for 3rd.

[badger95]

We're less than 2 weeks away...anyone with spread predictions?

This is easy; they both run the spread.

[drgnbkr]

Carroll by a lot. I'm actually looking forward to the DR vs. CHHS game. I see colleyville as a little over rated at this point and DR has looked solid, besides their season opener. I think the 4 major contenders for the 2 remaining playoff spots(SLC has pretty much got number 1) are CHHS, DR, FR and GV. I think DR will take 2nd with GV and CHHS battling the last game of the season for 3rd.


Don't forget Haltom

[dentonRYAN]

you would be stupid not to put your money on southlake carroll.....

stadium will be fulll of people....but doubt the result will be much different then last year......

but i guess anything can happen :/.... hopefully its not a blowout

GO RAIDERS!!!!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

SLC all the way!!!!

[BAMF cowboy]

SLC takes this one, too many weapons (not literally)

[CHHSdad]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if GV gets in playoffs with DR, we get the SLC vs. Trinity first round matchup. Interesting... If CHHS can't get there, I hope it happens that way.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if GV gets in playoffs with DR, we get the SLC vs. Trinity first round matchup. Interesting... If CHHS can't get there, I hope it happens that way.

Interesting!! :D

[drgnbkr]

You guys are still leaving out Haltom..I think they can be a factor

[CHHSdad]

They do seem to have a threat of a running game now. Their schedule was weaker than CHHS'. I hope they don't play the same defense we do. (a real sore spot with me) The loss of their receiver has to affect them mentally even though they beat Richland last week. Losing to Grapevine was a real blow for them and their playoff chances IMO.

[RidgePride]

You guys are still leaving out Haltom..I think they can be a factor
Haltom already lost to grapevine. If they lose two more, they are pretty much out. They still have SLC -DR -

[drgnbkr]

We'll see how good they are Friday night @ Dragon Stadium...

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

Carroll-Denton Ryan Game Moves To Thursday
Just a reminder that the game between Carroll and Denton Ryan will be played on Thursday, October 13 at CH Collins Athletic Complex in Denton. The date was changed because the game will be televised on Fox Sports Southwest at 7:30 p.m.

[bubbacoach]

Should be a great game. Wish I was in the area to see it. I think SLC will win it, but hoping Ryan wins.

[dragonsdaddy]

fsn sw will air it next thursday. better than reading about it.

[dragons08]

lets play haltom then worry about DR

[bhs06]

No reason should it be a TV game. It will be over by halftime like last years contests.

[dragons08]

No reason should it be a TV game. It will be over by halftime like last years contests.
still, great programs, well respected, why not?

[dentonRYAN]

No reason should it be a TV game. It will be over by halftime like last years contests.

Lots of people are going to watch it.... so its a good idea...... dont like it....dont watch

[drgnbkr]

Lots of people are going to watch it.... so its a good idea...... dont like it....dont watch

Why not have the #1 team in the country on TV...... :confused:

[svtakestate]

Being we have played aginst both the schools DR in 4A and SLC twice in 5A they are both awesome teams. Although ill be pulling For DR i dont think they have what it takes to pull this one out over SLC

Prediction:
SLC 38
DR 17

[SLCDRGN]

SLC 63
DR 20

This will be a laugher after the first quarter!! SLC is getting better by the moment and DR is a shell of what they were last year.

I have become a Grapevine fan!!

SLC vs Trinity week 11 in division 1........I don't think Trinity realizes what they could be in for. By playoff time, this SLC team could be as good if not better than last years team!!

[zippy]

The game will air 7:30 Thursday? Live? Saved me a trip if this is true!


Carroll-Denton Ryan Game Moves To Thursday
Just a reminder that the game between Carroll and Denton Ryan will be played on Thursday, October 13 at CH Collins Athletic Complex in Denton. The date was changed because the game will be televised on Fox Sports Southwest at 7:30 p.m.

[SLCDad]

The game didn't suddenly "move to Thursday". It's been a scheduled Thursday TV game since long before the season began.

[zippy]

First off, 63-20? I doubt that will happen, and as for the Trinity comment, I think, with the very slim possibility of it working out, that if SCL and Trinity faced off, it might be the other way around. I went and watched this Trinity team, and they are as good of a team as I have seen in the past few years in 5A.


SLC 63
DR 20

This will be a laugher after the first quarter!! SLC is getting better by the moment and DR is a shell of what they were last year.

I have become a Grapevine fan!!

SLC vs Trinity week 11 in division 1........I don't think Trinity realizes what they could be in for. By playoff time, this SLC team could be as good if not better than last years team!!

[DR Raider]

With only six starters back, DR is still finding its way this year. Without Justin Willis, the offense has been inconsistent and has had to rely primarily on the big play to score points. That strategy works against lesser teams but not against teams of the quality of SLC. On defense, DR has had difficulty stopping teams that are multidimensional. Because of the small size of DR's defensive linemen and lbs, large, agile offensive linemen have been able to create wide running lanes for the running backs. Similarly, in the secondary, DR's dbs are small (5'8" and 5'10") and have had trouble staying with quick receivers. Tackling has also been an issue.

Having seen both teams several times this year, it is doubtful the game will be competitive. Having said that, the game could be relatively close if DR continues to develop its power running game (remember the name Greg Garden, a defensive starter who has been subbing at running back) and if DR can effectively play the same type of bend but don't break defense it did in last year's playoff game when it held SLC to 28 points.

BTW, CH plays Grapevine in the last district game - could very well determine if the SLC - ET dream matchup will happen.

[RyanRaiderDad]

I have to agree with DR Raider on most everything he pointed out. Will the game be competitive? Don't know. We seem to lack the passion we played with last year. This could be in part to having so many new players on the starting roster. We seem to have to play catch up in the second half of every game.... that doesn't work with SLC!! Many have tried... almost all have failed, and it's no different for DR.

I hope it's not the beating we took last year! Because everyone saw it on TV, we quickly became the "over rated" Raiders. We beat everyone else, so over rated might be a bit of an over statement. I give a pat on the back to Lufkin (and I believe Abilene) who gave SLC a run.... but no one else came close! Ironically, we got the most respect from the SLC fans!

This year we might be ranked honestly. Our record is better than many in the top 25, but taking a shalacking from a 4a school sure does hurt! :o

[SLCDad]

This year we might be ranked honestly. Our record is better than many in the top 25, but taking a shalacking from a 4a school sure does hurt! :oI wouldn't feel to bad about losing to Highland Park. They may be a top 10 team in 5A. Not only that, they are pretty much the same size as Ryan. HP=1921 DR=1981

[singularity]

I give a pat on the back to Lufkin (and I believe Abilene) who gave SLC a run.... but no one else came close!

SV....?

[pack0808]

(4a) Highland Park 40 Denton Ryan 14 you do the math on how ugly this one will be?? DR beat HP last year correct?? Seems like DR is not 1/4th they were last year but it is DR and they have a great coach so you know they will only get better. I still say SLC 60-20

[DragonFan]

Before everyone puts Denton Ryan on the shelf, let it be pointed out that the only 5A school to beat Denton Ryan since it became a 5A school has been SLC. It is hard to beat the same team 3 times in a row! SLC beat Denton Ryan on ESPN2 and again in the playoffs last year. This is a new year.

That said, I think that SLC is as good if not better than last year and Denton Ryan is a little less with a new offensive leader, and the loss to graduation of their best defensive players.

That said I think the score could be the same as the SLC/CHHS score.

But before SLC can think about Denton Ryan it has to focus on the surprise team of the year, Haltom!

[stinger]

How many languages do we have to post the fact that Trinity willNOT face SLC in the playoffs! Two different size schools will two different divisions. We need to leave that horse alone. But...SLC will soundly beat Denton Ryan, but, the game will not be decided till the second half.

[RyanRaiderDad]

(4a) Highland Park 40 Denton Ryan 14 you do the math on how ugly this one will be?? DR beat HP last year correct?? Seems like DR is not 1/4th they were last year but it is DR and they have a great coach so you know they will only get better. I still say SLC 60-20


Yes. We've beat them the last several years. Last year in week 0 and the year before in the 4a state semi's after they knocked out Ennis (Ennis beat us something along the lines of 54-17 in week 0 of that same year with Willis at QB). With that being said, Florence knows how to push players to bounce back and do their best. I know, I know, different players, but same coach.

I love my Raiders, as two of my sons are on the football squads, but I will be surprised if we pull a win out of this game. I agree with most that currently we are not the team we were last year, but, that could change as the season wears on. I do believe we will meet SLC in the playoffs again this year. Just my humble opinion.

[DR Raider]

How many languages do we have to post the fact that Trinity willNOT face SLC in the playoffs! Two different size schools will two different divisions. We need to leave that horse alone. But...SLC will soundly beat Denton Ryan, but, the game will not be decided till the second half.
Am I missing something? If Grapevine is the third playoff team (along with SLC and DR) from 5-5A, then SLC goes DI and will play ET in the first round. Right?

[Arazorback]

Am I missing something? If Grapevine is the third playoff team (along with SLC and DR) from 5-5A, then SLC goes DI and will play ET in the first round. Right?

You are correct sir. The other poster was unaware of the facts, probably.
SLC rolls by 28+

[SLCDad]

Before everyone puts Denton Ryan on the shelf, let it be pointed out that the only 5A school to beat Denton Ryan since it became a 5A school has been SLC. It is hard to beat the same team 3 times in a row! Hasn't SLC been beating pretty much everybody 3 years in a row?(Just joking)

[DrEdward]

This is easy; they both run the spread.


That is pretty good. :D

[toonman]

Yes. We've beat them the last several years. Last year in week 0 and the year before in the 4a state semi's after they knocked out Ennis (Ennis beat us something along the lines of 54-17 in week 0 of that same year with Willis at QB). With that being said, Florence knows how to push players to bounce back and do their best. I know, I know, different players, but same coach.

I love my Raiders, as two of my sons are on the football squads, but I will be surprised if we pull a win out of this game. I agree with most that currently we are not the team we were last year, but, that could change as the season wears on. I do believe we will meet SLC in the playoffs again this year. Just my humble opinion.

I believe that DR are the #2 team in District 5 and will qualify for the playoffs, along with SLC and not with Grapevine. Fossil Ridge or Colleyville will take the third spot and with it the D1 route.

[pack0808]

Before everyone puts Denton Ryan on the shelf, let it be pointed out that the only 5A school to beat Denton Ryan since it became a 5A school has been SLC. It is hard to beat the same team 3 times in a row! SLC beat Denton Ryan on ESPN2 and again in the playoffs last year. This is a new year.

That said, I think that SLC is as good if not better than last year and Denton Ryan is a little less with a new offensive leader, and the loss to graduation of their best defensive players.

That said I think the score could be the same as the SLC/CHHS score.

But before SLC can think about Denton Ryan it has to focus on the surprise team of the year, Haltom!

Everybody knows that dr has been a great 4a program. They were actually God's in 4a at the end of their 4a run, and they were a very good 5a team last year. But remember when you make that statement about last year they only played 3 top 10 5a teams (twice SLC) last year. They went 1-2 and won the other one in the last second vs Irving Mac i believe?? Either way, it is obvious that they are a very inexperienced team and they are not near the team they were last year as the dr faithful will tell you that. But like i said, they always have talent and they have a great coach and program that is used to winning. I still give them no shot at all in this one.

[Blitzkreig]

What we will see at SLC/DR game: 1) a packed house; 2) a DR team that is skyhigh; and, 3) DR fans/team demonstrating some the the best sportsmanship (together w/FRIG) in the division. Pick SLC by 24+ pts.

[dentonRYAN]

SLC 46 DRyan 24

[zippy]

They were closer than anyone. Good point there.


SV....?

[zippy]

One language is fine, but it however IS a possibility. A small one, but possible.

How many languages do we have to post the fact that Trinity willNOT face SLC in the playoffs! Two different size schools will two different divisions. We need to leave that horse alone. But...SLC will soundly beat Denton Ryan, but, the game will not be decided till the second half.

[RyanOline]

Dont sell us short of a good game. If we execute on both sides of the ball and use the weapons we got it will be a good game. We are not the same team that played HP. We have come a long way just since that game. We come into this game with alot of emotion. For people not to even give us a chance is insulting. SLC is very good but anybody is beatable. We did not execute against Hp. Almost any team will lose having 8 turnovers off of fumbles and ints. We will come out ready to play the best game this season. Im not saying we are definitely going to pull an upset but dont deny the fact that we are a good team. And to the comment about losing too many people, we lost alot of people at the graduation of 2002 and went to state the next year with a new and young team.

[SLCDad]

Dont sell us short of a good game. If we execute on both sides of the ball and use the weapons we got it will be a good game. We are not the same team that played HP. We have come a long way just since that game. We come into this game with alot of emotion. For people not to even give us a chance is insulting. SLC is very good but anybody is beatable. We did not execute against Hp. Almost any team will lose having 8 turnovers off of fumbles and ints. We will come out ready to play the best game this season. Im not saying we are definitely going to pull an upset but dont deny the fact that we are a good team. And to the comment about losing too many people, we lost alot of people at the graduation of 2002 and went to state the next year with a new and young team.You are absolutely right on every point. SLC had better bring it's "A Game" or Ryan could pull an upset. SLC is favored but bigger upsets than this happen almost every week at all levels.

Let's not forget that everyone considers Ryan to be a lock on making the play-offs. They will probably win every district game this year except for perhaps the SLC game. Not bad.

[drgnbkr]

Dont sell us short of a good game. If we execute on both sides of the ball and use the weapons we got it will be a good game. We are not the same team that played HP. We have come a long way just since that game. We come into this game with alot of emotion. For people not to even give us a chance is insulting. SLC is very good but anybody is beatable. We did not execute against Hp. Almost any team will lose having 8 turnovers off of fumbles and ints. We will come out ready to play the best game this season. Im not saying we are definitely going to pull an upset but dont deny the fact that we are a good team. And to the comment about losing too many people, we lost alot of people at the graduation of 2002 and went to state the next year with a new and young team.

I also agree with what you are saying...Carroll better be ready to play, because I know Coach Flo will have you guys ready...

[DR Raider]

After watching DR's game against Richland last night, one has to conclude that either Coach Florence was intentionally setting the SLC scouts up, or, in the more likely alternative, DR is still very much a struggling football team that realistically has little chance to stay with SLC. Although the weather was a big factor (strong wind and very cold), DR was making mistakes that shouldn't occur after the first couple of games. If DR's performance against SLC is anything like last night, the game will get out of hand early.

[RyanRaiderDad]

After watching DR's game against Richland last night, one has to conclude that either Coach Florence was intentionally setting the SLC scouts up, or, in the more likely alternative, DR is still very much a struggling football team that realistically has little chance to stay with SLC. Although the weather was a big factor (strong wind and very cold), DR was making mistakes that shouldn't occur after the first couple of games. If DR's performance against SLC is anything like last night, the game will get out of hand early.

I didn't make it to the game last night, but I was shocked by the headline on the front page of the sports section in the Denton paper this morning. "CLOSE CALL" is not something we should be seeing when DR plays Richland. I hope Flo was just setting you SLC scout guys up!!! >fingers crossed< :eek:

[dragons08]

I didn't make it to the game last night, but I was shocked by the headline on the front page of the sports section in the Denton paper this morning. "CLOSE CALL" is not something we should be seeing when DR plays Richland. I hope Flo was just setting you SLC scout guys up!!! >fingers crossed< :eek:
im sure the dragon game plan was made before that game anyways, im sure they look at all the games and what not

[RyanRaiderDad]

im sure the dragon game plan was made before that game anyways, im sure they look at all the games and what not

I agree.... thing is... we've played the same game for a month now. Slow start, first half defensive struggle, and finally getting our act together in the second half and scoring some points. It's like reading the same book over and over.

I've got faith in our guys, but our offense seems to be still finding its way.

[dragons08]

it seems that DR is a 2nd half team, it seems like we are, the first couple games we took a while to get going, once we started, there was no stopping us, should be interesting, does your defense wake up in the 2nd half as well? or they "up" the whole game, because if their sleeping in the first half...that can lead to a halftime blow out

[RyanOline]

OK. I will be one of the first to admit that I looked past Richland. We came out ready for a blowout and we got our butts handed to us first half(offensively). Defense played like a championship defense the whole game. The only touchdown for the Rebels came off an offensive mistake. I dont see where our defense struggled. Offense, um...... well I'm not sure what happened. I played what I thought was one of my better games and it looked to me we were doing what needed to be done up front. It was a lot of little things that went wrong. The good thing about that is we can always fix the little things. I cant guarantee we will be perfect next week but I do plan on preparing like it was a championship game (which we should be doing every week). SLC is still going to have to play. We are gonna have to stop the second half comebacks because SLC will not let us come back. Good Luck SLC. You have a great team and I cant wait to step on the field with you.

[Redneckn]

Is there a team that can beat SLC? I ask because week in and week out I see the threads and everybody is like "SLC will win" even fans from the other teams seem to say that. No wonder nobody can beat them.

Since nobody can beat them, what's the point of playing the game? :confused:

[DR Raider]

After watching the first half of the SLC-Haltom game, I would say no one will beat them. 49-0 at half - and Haltom has a good team. SLC scored on seven drives and NO drive took longer than 2:00 minutes. Unbelieveable.

Where is Katy when you need them?

[Eagle Hombre]

I don't see SLC losing until they get into the playoffs --

[dragons08]

Good Luck SLC. You have a great team and I cant wait to step on the field with you.
thanks man, you guys have a great team to, i look forward to the game next week, should be a dandy, no doubt both teams will be pumped for this one. i know im already pumped and im in band!

[DR Raider]

In years past (2000-2004),DR had its share of High School Superstars - Battle, Moss, Jones, Dowdy, Smith, Williams, and Starks in 2000-2002, Lokey, Goldsmith, Ishe, and Willis in 2003, and Ishe and Willis in 2004. DR won regularly and sometimes easily because these great athletes made great individual plays that complemented the team play of the other good - but not great - players around them. Justin Willis was a good example of this individual effort carrying the team to the 2004 regional finals. Those great plays by the individual athletes allowed DR to defeat some very good teams (e.g., IMAC and Plano West).

This year, however, DR has some very good players - Fenty, Sawyer, Garden, e.g., - but no superstars. Therefore, in most games, its DR's good athletes against the opponent's good athletes without the advantage had in year's past of individual stars for DR making game winning plays. The result is that almost every game is competitive and the outcome unpredictable into the fourth quarter. And, against teams that have very good athletes and some superstars of their own (e.g., SLC and HP), DR simply does not match up very well. That is why in part the game this week against SLC will most likely be one sided.

[c-lisle]

dr38-slc35

i'm pulling for the under dog. lol

[RyanOline]

And, against teams that have very good athletes and some superstars of their own (e.g., SLC and HP), DR simply does not match up very well. That is why in part the game this week against SLC will most likely be one sided.[/QUOTE



Even our fans dont give us a chance? Theres another thing we have to play through. It always helps to have fans that support us no matter what. I guess our fans left with the superstars of the last three years. All I have heard at school and everywhere I go around town is how we'll be lucky to make playoffs or we'll be lucky to have a winning season. People think just because we are small and dont have many returning starters that we are going to suck. Your opinion. We have the ability to be great its a matter of execution and teamwork. We have a great team and great coaches. We've had to play against some of our fans as well as the other teams, but fans dont play the game and we will do the best we can. Just a little support would be nice.

[RyanRaiderDad]

OK. I will be one of the first to admit that I looked past Richland. We came out ready for a blowout and we got our butts handed to us first half(offensively). Defense played like a championship defense the whole game. The only touchdown for the Rebels came off an offensive mistake. I dont see where our defense struggled. Offense, um...... well I'm not sure what happened. I played what I thought was one of my better games and it looked to me we were doing what needed to be done up front. It was a lot of little things that went wrong. The good thing about that is we can always fix the little things. I cant guarantee we will be perfect next week but I do plan on preparing like it was a championship game (which we should be doing every week). SLC is still going to have to play. We are gonna have to stop the second half comebacks because SLC will not let us come back. Good Luck SLC. You have a great team and I cant wait to step on the field with you.

RyanOline... let me be the first to say, the DR fans are behind you guys 110%!! Forgive us for our perceived lack of faith. Yes... it is a little frustrating watching our Raiders struggle in the first half in games this year. It's just not something we are used to, but it doesn't at all mean you have lost even one ounce of our support!!! You and your team mates know you will have to execute an almost flawless game to beat SLC. That's just what it will take for ANY team to beat them. Sometimes as fans we can be to critical when we see our team struggle a bit. Please forgive us for that. We are not fair weather fans in this town. Please take a moment to look up in the stands on Thursday night and realize that. Everyone on the home side will be cheering you guys on to play the game of a life time!!!

[DR Raider]

Even our fans dont give us a chance? Theres another thing we have to play through. It always helps to have fans that support us no matter what. I guess our fans left with the superstars of the last three years.

RyanOLIne, you should realize that a critical analysis of a team's performance in no way indicates a lack of support. In fact, its just the opposite - do you really think DR fans would take the time to write these posts if they did not fully and enthusiastically support the Raiders? The Raider Faithful will always support DR no matter what the record.

The previous posts here and posts on other message boards about DR are simply an effort to explain to other interested persons how this year's team is doing as well as an attempt to analyze the various areas in which the team is succeeding or coming up short. Because of our general interest in football and our specific interest in and support for the team, many of us find these topics to be very compelling. We are not, however, cheerleaders - if a problem area is perceived, it will most likely be mentioned so others can agree or disagree. Similarly, if an opponent presents a formidable challenge, that will be mentioned even to the extent of suggesting DR may not prevail. But, again, that in no way suggests that the DR Faithful don't support you.

WRT to the game against SLC, most experts who have seen both teams play don't expect DR to be competitive. That prediction may or may not be reality.

Here hoping that you and the other Raiders prove it wrong.

[RyanOline]

I understand what you are saying. It's not you that I'm worried about. Its the people coming up to me every single day and telling me that we suck. It's the fact that people that I thought were the biggest supporters of our team telling us week in and week out that we will lose to whoever we play. Sorry for making it sound like I was pissed at yall. I appreciate the support and hope you will keep it up.

[Ryan Raider Dad]

I will be there to cheer you guys on and no matter what, as long as you leave it all on the field the Raider faithful will be proud of you no matter what the final score is.

[RyanRaiderDad]

Hey Ryan Raider Dad... looks like there's two of us here..

RyanOline... those people saying that to you were never true supporters anyway. Don't sweat it!

[SLCDad]

I understand what you are saying. It's not you that I'm worried about. Its the people coming up to me every single day and telling me that we suck. It's the fact that people that I thought were the biggest supporters of our team telling us week in and week out that we will lose to whoever we play. Sorry for making it sound like I was pissed at yall. I appreciate the support and hope you will keep it up.Denton Ryan has earned widespread respect both for this season and for seasons past. They are a class organization top to bottom with the players themselves at the top of the list along with Coach Flores.

[Ryan Raider Dad]

Denton Ryan and Southlake, in my opinion, are two of the states premier programs in the way that they are ran. Coach Florence and Dodge will not tolerate anything but good sportsmanship and character in their players. I have cheered for SLC in the past and will continue except of course when they play Ryan. I know a lot of Dragon backers that have cheered for Ryan in the past also. I think there is a mutual respect for each other.Denton Ryan has earned widespread respect both for this season and for seasons past. They are a class organization top to bottom with the players themselves at the top of the list along with Coach Flores.

[DR Raider]

As for as strategy goes, it will be interesting to see what approach DR takes both defensively and offensively. Last year, DR found out in the ESPN game that its corners could not stay with the SLC receivers (at least with Clint Renfro who made some spectacular catches). In the December playoff game, DR went to the deep zone and held SLC to its lowest point total in the playoffs (until the SV game). During recent games, DR has been experimenting with different zone coverages as well as a blitzing scheme in which it brings the corners. The guess here is that DR will use the zone, try to make SLC take as much time as possible (more than 2 minutes hopefully) on its drives, and simply accept the fact that the Dragons will get into the end zone at least 4-5 times.

On offense, the guess is that DR will try to establish a running game with Greg Garden (an Earl Goldsmith type runner) and Jaiston Sawyer. Garden will be of particular value because he gets many YACs. Also, DR does have a roll out passing game that can keep the chains moving (and, hopefully again, the SLC offense on the bench).

If the running game is not productive, then look for the long passing game to be tried. Justin Fenty is a real deep threat. SLC has not had much of a problem with JF in the past, but, this year the pass protection should be better such that QB Austin Knight should have time to let him get past the db. And, of course, if the running game is working at all, a play action to Garden would help free up JF.

If none of these ideas work, red jerseys bearing the name KATY have been ordered for the second half.

[dragonfootballfan]

Denton Ryan and Southlake, in my opinion, are two of the states premier programs in the way that they are ran. Coach Florence and Dodge will not tolerate anything but good sportsmanship and character in their players. I have cheered for SLC in the past and will continue except of course when they play Ryan. I know a lot of Dragon backers that have cheered for Ryan in the past also. I think there is a mutual respect for each other.
I remember in 2003 I was just as upset when DR lost as I was when SLC lost. I think that is what makes this an awesome game when we play. Both sides have such a history together. It is like playing against your brother or best friend

[DragonFan]

I do not think waving Red Katy jerseys at the Dragons is a very good idea! That is the only blimish in 3 years and a lot of the Dragons would love to have a wack at a Red Katy jersey!

[DR Raider]

I remember in 2003 I was just as upset when DR lost as I was when SLC lost. I think that is what makes this an awesome game when we play. Both sides have such a history together. It is like playing against your brother or best friend

You are exactly right. The mutual respect starts with the coaches, goes through the players, and permeates the fans. One reason I hated DR going 5A was because of the special bond that had developed between DR and SLC after all those afternoons together at Texas Stadium and at the Alamodome.

I still remember Coach Florence being one of the first people on the field when the SLC lb (Fleps?) was rocked last December as well as Coach Dodge pulling Justin Willis to the side after the game and talking to him at length like he was one of his players. A real class act on both sides.

Let's make sure it continues.

[dragonfootballfan]

You are exactly right. The mutual respect starts with the coaches, goes through the players, and permeates the fans. One reason I hated DR going 5A was because of the special bond that had developed between DR and SLC after all those afternoons together at Texas Stadium and at the Alamodome.

I still remember Coach Florence being one of the first people on the field when the SLC lb (Fleps?) was rocked last December as well as Coach Dodge pulling Justin Willis to the side after the game and talking to him at length like he was one of his players. A real class act on both sides.

Let's make sure it continues.
I remember going to an 8th grade game when with a Carroll school against a Denton school. Coach Dodges son was a quarterback and hurt his neck. Dodge and Florence went together to the hospital. There is so much history between these two teams. I can't wait till thursday. Then I can start rooting for Denton Ryan again

[dragonsdaddy]

no it was chubbs, and i thanked him for being my stand-in. i knew chubbs was ok when he went back into coaching mode.

[Mac Is Back]

Southlake Carroll, as much as I dislike them. And Denton Ryan too.

I used to follow Smithson Valley's varsity FB team around with my dad, who supported my cousin that played for them his senior year in 01. That year we drove to Waco for the state game vs. DR and watched the Rangers lose in overtime. Last year, we drove to Dallas to watch them lose from a field goal to SLC.

SLC over DR in a reasonably closer game than people thought. SLC wins by 7, or 10.

[SLC13]

As for as strategy goes, it will be interesting to see what approach DR takes both defensively and offensively. Last year, DR found out in the ESPN game that its corners could not stay with the SLC receivers (at least with Clint Renfro who made some spectacular catches). In the December playoff game, DR went to the deep zone and held SLC to its lowest point total in the playoffs (until the SV game). During recent games, DR has been experimenting with different zone coverages as well as a blitzing scheme in which it brings the corners. The guess here is that DR will use the zone, try to make SLC take as much time as possible (more than 2 minutes hopefully) on its drives, and simply accept the fact that the Dragons will get into the end zone at least 4-5 times.

On offense, the guess is that DR will try to establish a running game with Greg Garden (an Earl Goldsmith type runner) and Jaiston Sawyer. Garden will be of particular value because he gets many YACs. Also, DR does have a roll out passing game that can keep the chains moving (and, hopefully again, the SLC offense on the bench).

If the running game is not productive, then look for the long passing game to be tried. Justin Fenty is a real deep threat. SLC has not had much of a problem with JF in the past, but, this year the pass protection should be better such that QB Austin Knight should have time to let him get past the db. And, of course, if the running game is working at all, a play action to Garden would help free up JF.

If none of these ideas work, red jerseys bearing the name KATY have been ordered for the second half.
I think your thoughts on Coach Flo's defensive strategy are dead on. I expect something very similar to the scheme used in last years playoff game. The key will be if DR can establish any consistent rushing attack to control the clock. If you can, then it could be a pretty exciting game.

My guess, though, is SLC 35-14. :)

[dragonsdaddy]

the 3 td difference is about right. the d-line play for dr is critical. they must be able to get pressure without blitzing to the hilt, cause dodgeball has been very successful in the past vs blitzkrieg defenses. also playing the run with the front 6 is paramount. if tre gets loose in the secondary very often, the party's over. if the front 6 can accomplish those daunting tasks, greg may have 150+ rushing again. jacobsen will have a field day with everyone playing soft-12 for 175 or thereabouts. too many weapons for many a dc's stomach.

slc 44(3 fg)
dr 20(missed xp)

[dragons08]

slc 44(3 fg)
dr 20(missed xp)
missed xp? hmm im not sure..3 fg? also not sure, i think we'll have one field goal max..speaking of field goals, i hit a 35 yarder earlier today, you know how at DS they give you a car for a 45 yarder, im going to go for that on friday, when we have band practice at the stadium again

[DR Raider]

The key will be if DR can establish any consistent rushing attack to control the clock. If you can, then it could be a pretty exciting game.



Exactly. Coach Florence knows that DR's best chance of beating SLC is by making first downs, thereby keeping McElroy & Co. on the bench. Last year, DR's rushing attack was comprised of QB Justin Willis and Jaiston Sawyer, a scatback. Willis got the tough yards up the middle while Sawyer, due to his small size and speed, was more effective going to the outside. In the December playoff game, Willis had some success, but, could not get the first downs inside the SLC red zone when DR desperately needed some points. Sawyer was simply not a factor due to the speed of SLC's LBs and DBs in getting to the corners. This year, DR has recently added Greg Garden to the formula. He is a starter on defense, but, is also an excellent running back in the mold of Earl Goldsmith - quick and capable of running over DBs. Like Goldsmith, he gets yards after contact on a regular basis. He also has the speed to break one. The key for DR will be the OLine's ability to give GG a crease in which he can power through for the 4-5 yards needed on first or second down. If that happens, then the passing game should open up, thereby giving DR a much better chance of playing keep away from the SLC offense.

Also of significance is that Garden has the size and strength to pass block a blitzing LB. Last year, DR found out quickly that Jaiston Sawyer was simply too small to take on the SLC LBs. If Garden and the OLine can give Austin Knight some time, then Fenty and/or Worsham should have a reasonable chance of getting open.

All speculation, of course. Guess we will find out Thursday night.

[DR Raider]

the d-line play for dr is critical. they must be able to get pressure without blitzing to the hilt.



The jury is still out on DR's defensive line. The starting four are quick but relatively small. The backups that rotate in are larger, but, also slower.
HP (personnel changes since then), Grapevine, and Richland all had running success in varying degrees. The pass rush has been spotty.

I expect DR to probably go to a 3/4/4 alignment. The quickness of the down 3 should permit DR to put some pressure on McElroy, and, the 8 back should help both with coverage and with preventing Newton and/or McElroy from breaking a long run. If successful, then it should take the Dragon offense at least 5-6 minutes per drive to score. Couple that with DR making some first downs on offense and the game could be close going into the fourth quater.

[dragonsdaddy]

they were successful slowing down the onslaught last dec, by backing way off. they can force slc to slow down, with the same techniques, but the inevitable will occur unless you take some chances and guess right with blitzes and jumped routes. the short passing game is almost as automatic as a handoff, when coverage is loose. and until you see tre run, you won't be too frightened of our rushing numbers. our oline has turned the corner and is blocking like slc olines of old.

[DR Raider]

Saw both the SLC/KFR game and the SLC/Haltom game. I have always thought the OLIne was the real key to SLC's success. The pass protection has been excellent throughout the year (maybe there were some problems with Plano East?), and, ever since the bye week, the run blocking has been devastating.

The advantage of the three man line is that it requires the OLine to make some of their blocks in space - and DR should have the necessary quickness to escape some of those attempts. Not to say Newton (and probably Dodge when he is in the game) won't get substantial yardage - just that DR hopes to slow them down so the clock keeps running. And, of course, this strategy assumes good tackling - something which hasn't always been the case this year.

[SLCDad]

I've stated my respect for the DR program. Having said that, I'm predicting a SLC blowout. DR is a bit down this year and SLC (if you can believe it) is playing better than last year at this point of the season. Best of luck to both teams.

[bleed green]

slc will win this one with dr being a little weaker than last year on d

[Blitzkreig]

Really looking forward to this one and will travel considerable distance to see it. If DR fans are correct, expect SLC to open up with short outs, a couple up the middle, and then the long ball. Nothing startling: DR blitzs and we'll see draws, jail break screens, and under patterns. All OL have improved significantly, but return of fine center, so important in this offense, is most significant. Defense will continue to show improved play. SLC has too many weapons to be held for long. Expect if McElroy stays in more than a half to put up some big numbers along w/Tre/Jr. Fine DR team/coach will put up their usual best game together w/some of best player/fan sportsmanship in 5A. BTW have SLC guys noted that this fast improving team may be as good or better than '04? Early to tell, but our stats show '05 Dragons have scored 318 vs. 285 pts ('04) and given up 108 vs 119 ('04). Don't have yardage for '04, for comps, but expect it may be up significantly for '05. New version of Dodge Ball....w/Dragon team that has yet to show any level off. Dragons by +28.

[dragonsdaddy]

this team may yet be better, but are still relatively untested. this week will give some insight as to their mettle, which i feel is pretty salty. stats are somewhat misleading last year dodge had mcelroy sit on his hands when he was in, but not so much with riley. plus riley can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear when he's in late and the d is tired and ready for the after game dance. the main ??? coming into the season-rb's and oline has been a very pleasant success. the only important injuries have either been healed with time, or are adequately being dealt with thru depth. the one thing that really differs from last to this has been the reemergence of mckay. he is on a mission(sorry for the lds pun) and will make everyone pay for his time away last year. they are certainly capable of winning out in either division, but need to keep improving. tdodge isn't likely to let them plateau any time soon.

[DR Raider]

SLC looks unbeatable this year, but, it looked unbeatable (and was) last year too. WRT a comparison, should remember that 5-5A is down somewhat this year. DR was certainly much better (and I am afraid that will be obvious on Thursday) as was Keller. Grapevine may have been better with Melton, but, not sure. Haven't seen KFR yet.

If SLC rolls through the playoffs like it is in district, then the '05 version may be the best yet - which is amazing when you think that SLC lost Daniel and Luna and some key defensive players.

[zippy]

I dont think you can compare playoffs to that district. It is a complete 180 come playoff time.


SLC looks unbeatable this year, but, it looked unbeatable (and was) last year too. WRT a comparison, should remember that 5-5A is down somewhat this year. DR was certainly much better (and I am afraid that will be obvious on Thursday) as was Keller. Grapevine may have been better with Melton, but, not sure. Haven't seen KFR yet.

If SLC rolls through the playoffs like it is in district, then the '05 version may be the best yet - which is amazing when you think that SLC lost Daniel and Luna and some key defensive players.

[drgnbkr]

SLC looks unbeatable this year, but, it looked unbeatable (and was) last year too. WRT a comparison, should remember that 5-5A is down somewhat this year. DR was certainly much better (and I am afraid that will be obvious on Thursday) as was Keller. Grapevine may have been better with Melton, but, not sure. Haven't seen KFR yet.

If SLC rolls through the playoffs like it is in district, then the '05 version may be the best yet - which is amazing when you think that SLC lost Daniel and Luna and some key defensive players.

Melton was a distraction and a negative to Grapevine last year...ask anyone who played with him or against him....

[DragonFan]

Melton is a distraction and a negative for Texas this year!

[dragonsdaddy]

you need a smilie face on the tu-melton opinion. he has been a pleasant surprise for any local tu fans who saw him at gvine.

[dragonfootballfan]

you need a smilie face on the tu-melton opinion. he has been a pleasant surprise for any local tu fans who saw him at gvine.
I couldn't believe it in his first game. I was so dissapointed when Mack took him because I thought that first he wouldn't qualify and second he would tear the team apart. Now I think that either the Grapevine coaches drop the ball with him or Mack and the rest of the Horns are not letting him slide

[DR Raider]

Had a chance to review the tape of last December's playoff game. The first quarter went very much according to DR's game plan - on defense, slow down the SLC offense, and, on offense, sustain a long drive resulting in a DR touchdown. SLC opened the game and it took them over 3 minutes to score (twice as long as it took them on most of their drives against Haltom). DR on its first possession drove almost 80 yards for its touchdown, consuming almost 8 minutes of clock time. And that was it in the first quarter. DR was able to keep the ball that long because of its short passing game and some timely runs by Willis. Obviously, DR would love a repeat performance Thursday night.

[DragonFan]

Melton showed what type of player he is when he started to hot dog it in the Ohio State game instead of getting the 1 yard he needed.

Against OU the announces also talked about how he does not seem to run very well, that he should be able to get the tough yards by running lower. Does not seem to be ringing endorsements of Melton. He might turn out to be a good player but I have my doubts.

[lonny23]

It's Wednesday and SLC is still better than DR! :D

[DR Raider]

I couldn't believe it in his first game. I was so dissapointed when Mack took him because I thought that first he wouldn't qualify and second he would tear the team apart. Now I think that either the Grapevine coaches drop the ball with him or Mack and the rest of the Horns are not letting him slide

I suspect Mad Dog and some of the seniors were able to "persuade" Melton to conform to the team's work ethic.

[RyanRaiderDad]

Well... it starts tonight. The freshman and JV squads play each other. It may not mean much to most on here, but I have a son on the freshman team and one one the JV team. I for one, can not wait!!!

[dragonsdaddy]

will they let the kids have any input on where they go to school next year, or will it be strictly by boundaries? which school gets hurt the most with losses to the new school? poor bronchos don't have much room to fall.

[dragonsdaddy]

i just had the realization that dr won't be members of this esteemed fraternity next year. but maybe hp will. what a sucky trade, imo.

[RyanRaiderDad]

will they let the kids have any input on where they go to school next year, or will it be strictly by boundaries? which school gets hurt the most with losses to the new school? poor bronchos don't have much room to fall.

In my case, we live in the new high schools boundaries, however, if a student already has attended a high school, or an older sibling attending a high school within the old boundary lines, then they have the choice of going to either high school.

I'm not sure which school gets hurt the most by the new high school. I honestly have not looked at the new boundaries since my boys insisted on attending DR. If I were to guess I would say DHS.

[DR Raider]

Another theory now being discussed is that Coach Florence will do the exact opposite of what he did in the December playoff game. Instead of dropping eight back in coverage, he will bring seven on the blitz (against six blockers) in an attempt to get turnovers, or, at the very least, disrupt the passing game and the running lanes. Other threads suggested Plano East had some success with this scheme due in part to the athleticism of the players. DR also has athletes, and, apparently unlike PEast, its offense is capable of scoring some points. If SLC hits the big play, so be it.

On offense, still think DR will try to establish a power running game with Garden. If that fails, look for bombs away to Fenty - that was the plan against HP and it would have resulted in more touchdowns except for the three turnovers inside the red zone.

Because DR is such a decided underdog, the Raiders will go into this game thinking they have nothing to lose. Expect the unexpected.

[dragonsdaddy]

the pesh success stemmed in no small part to the fact that several olmen were injured and 1 was suspended. our line returning to full strength corresponded to the return of our running game, and improved scoring. if you remember what happened when blitzing was tried last october, it will likely be a track meet again.

[drgnbkr]

Bring the blitz!...Love that blitz!.... ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

remember when Heritage blitzed everyone on every play

[DR Raider]

the pesh success stemmed in no small part to the fact that several olmen were injured and 1 was suspended. our line returning to full strength corresponded to the return of our running game, and improved scoring. if you remember what happened when blitzing was tried last october, it will likely be a track meet again.

My recollection of the ESPN game was that DR stayed in its 4-2-5 base defense and occasionally blitzed a LB or two. SLC had no problem picking up that attack. What I am hearing now is the possibility of blitzing 7 from a 3/4/4 alignment, with the man dbs playing off the receivers. That way, there will most likely be one man free and it will just be a question of whether McElroy can get it off before the unblocked blitzer gets there. If he does get it off, then the dbs must make the solo tackle or its lights out.

Having said that, a review of a tape of last year's playoff game makes me think the 3/4/4 is the way to go - DR actually did very well containing SLC's offense. Had Daniel and Luna not broken several tackles to keep drives going, the score might have been closer. Of course, not sure the DR talent level on defense compares to last year's team. And, DR's offense was able to play enough ball control to limit SLC's offensive opportunities. Again, not sure this year's offense will have the same success.

[dragonfootballfan]

My recollection of the ESPN game was that DR stayed in its 4-2-5 base defense and occasionally blitzed a LB or two. SLC had no problem picking up that attack. What I am hearing now is the possibility of blitzing 7 from a 3/4/4 alignment, with the man dbs playing off the receivers. That way, there will most likely be one man free and it will just be a question of whether McElroy can get it off before the unblocked blitzer gets there. If he does get it off, then the dbs must make the solo tackle or its lights out.

Having said that, a review of a tape of last year's playoff game makes me think the 3/4/4 is the way to go - DR actually did very well containing SLC's offense. Had Daniel and Luna not broken several tackles to keep drives going, the score might have been closer. Of course, not sure the DR talent level on defense compares to last year's team. And, DR's offense was able to play enough ball control to limit SLC's offensive opportunities. Again, not sure this year's offense will have the same success.
Its not the pass game that Carroll usually burns blitzing teams with; it is the run game. Most teams that blitz allow a lot of running lanes and if the running back or quarterback breaks one tackle there is nobody for about 20 yards

[dragons08]

Its not the pass game that Carroll usually burns blitzing teams with; it is the run game. Most teams that blitz allow a lot of running lanes and if the running back or quarterback breaks one tackle there is nobody for about 20 yards
reminds me of the CHHS, that made mcelroy look like a speed demon! and made tre look like a blur

[drgnbkr]

My recollection of the ESPN game was that DR stayed in its 4-2-5 base defense and occasionally blitzed a LB or two. SLC had no problem picking up that attack. What I am hearing now is the possibility of blitzing 7 from a 3/4/4 alignment, with the man dbs playing off the receivers. That way, there will most likely be one man free and it will just be a question of whether McElroy can get it off before the unblocked blitzer gets there. If he does get it off, then the dbs must make the solo tackle or its lights out.

Having said that, a review of a tape of last year's playoff game makes me think the 3/4/4 is the way to go - DR actually did very well containing SLC's offense. Had Daniel and Luna not broken several tackles to keep drives going, the score might have been closer. Of course, not sure the DR talent level on defense compares to last year's team. And, DR's offense was able to play enough ball control to limit SLC's offensive opportunities. Again, not sure this year's offense will have the same success.


IMO..it was not your inability to stop the Dragons last year..it was Willis & Co.'s inability to move the ball at all vs. the Carroll D...this years version of Dragon D is I think a little better...good luck...

[DR Raider]

IMO..it was not your inability to stop the Dragons last year..it was Willis & Co.'s inability to move the ball at all vs. the Carroll D...this years version of Dragon D is I think a little better...good luck...

Went back and checked the game stats - actually DR gained more yards against SLC in the playoffs than Lufkin or SV, and, its defense held SLC to fewer yards than Abilene, Lufkin, or SV.

Against SLC in December, DR was effective in moving the ball between the 20s. Once DR got to the red zone, though, SLC shut DR down - before halftime, after the second half kickoff return, and after the interception (Daniel's tackle on the interception was a key play). Seems like DR attempted and failed on 4-5 fourth down plays. The offense did, however, do a good job of keeping the ball away from the SLC offense - that was why as much as anything SLC only scored 28 points.

The DR offense this year does have something the 2004 version did not have - a power running back (Greg Garden) who has speed and quickness. And QB Austin Knight can move the chains with short passes. So it may very well be DR will try the same offensive strategy as it did last year - and maybe this year the Raiders will make those fourth downs.

Good luck to the Dragons! If SLC doesn't go D1, let's do it again later on in December this year.

[southlake thug]

reminds me of the CHHS, that made mcelroy look like a speed demon! and made tre look like a blur


McElroy is a speed demon. He is just showing his Vick like features now.

[Kingwolf]

SLC crushes DR....do we really need 110 posts (and counting :( ) to dispute this???????????

[DR Raider]

Not so sure - starting to have some doubts that it will be a blowout. Coach Florence's quotes in the Denton paper today sure makes it sound like he thinks DR can keep it close. As he said, the key will be the DR offense - keep the ball and run the clock.

[KT2000]

I saw DR play twice last year (once in person, once on TV) and it didn't look like they ran a very clock-running friendly scheme.

I never count out the Ryan program that's for sure. I think Carroll may have a better defense this year than they've had since 2002...by the time all is said and done, they may end up being better but that's still up in the air of course.

[dragonsdaddy]

what else is he going to say? no one loves joflo more than me, but c'mon. his team will feel, and rightly so that they have a great chance to play with slc every time they step on the field. i expect another good game and more great preparation from 2 of the best coached treams in the state.

[Favpack]

Went back and checked the game stats - actually DR gained more yards against SLC in the playoffs than Lufkin or SV, and, its defense held SLC to fewer yards than Abilene, Lufkin, or SV.

Against SLC in December, DR was effective in moving the ball between the 20s. Once DR got to the red zone, though, SLC shut DR down - before halftime, after the second half kickoff return, and after the interception (Daniel's tackle on the interception was a key play). Seems like DR attempted and failed on 4-5 fourth down plays. The offense did, however, do a good job of keeping the ball away from the SLC offense - that was why as much as anything SLC only scored 28 points.

The DR offense this year does have something the 2004 version did not have - a power running back (Greg Garden) who has speed and quickness. And QB Austin Knight can move the chains with short passes. So it may very well be DR will try the same offensive strategy as it did last year - and maybe this year the Raiders will make those fourth downs.

Good luck to the Dragons! If SLC doesn't go D1, let's do it again later on in December this year.

I guess everyone has, and is entitled to their take - but, c'mon DR Raider - wasn't the playoff score 28-0 or 28-7? Conversely, the Abilene, Lufkin and SV games ALL came down to the final play of the game. I could care less about stats when the final play decides who wins - that's all you can really ask for against this squad.

I personally hope DR bows up and plays way over their heads, but, sounds like it could be a long night.

[SLCDad]

I saw both SLC/DR games last year. I've watched the ESPN2 game a couple of times after the fact on my PVR (it's still there today).

I think the key to both games was the play up front at the line of scrimage. The SLC defense was in DRs backfield all game (both games). They also contained on the ends very well. On the other side, Daniel had enough time to throw and the holes opened for Luna/Daniel were large. In my opinion, that is why SLC won both games. DR was over matched up front. Strong line play makes everything else look sooooo much better.

I think the line play will make the difference tonight also.

Best of luck to DR who is deserving of all the respect they receive.

[Blitzkreig]

Blitz away! Dodge w/blue chip QB will use quick outs to hot receivers, draws, screens, and unders to counter the blitz. Then bombs away. Looking for Thunder and Lightning (MAC, Tre) to post some big ground numbers. SLC +38.

[cougarcb16]

What an intresting thread. I have a question for you guys. Based on what everyone is saying in this thread, from both SLC and DR fans, im getting the impression that SLC is a dream team. Compared to the college ranks and pro ranks they seem like last years Trojans and Patriots when talked about. Now tonight me and most of my friends will see the game on TV, and it will be the first team for a lot of kids watching Texas football. Will SLC really be this dominating? Or am I getting the wrong impression? Best wished to both teams for tonight ... and does anyone have the freshman and JV results?

[ALLIN]

Do you know the history of either team? SLC should win and they should dominate, but DR is a very storied program in itself and has not lost at home in awhile. Could be a good game, but should be a beating.
SLC 52
DR 13

[SLCDad]

What an intresting thread. I have a question for you guys. Based on what everyone is saying in this thread, from both SLC and DR fans, im getting the impression that SLC is a dream team. Compared to the college ranks and pro ranks they seem like last years Trojans and Patriots when talked about. Now tonight me and most of my friends will see the game on TV, and it will be the first team for a lot of kids watching Texas football. Will SLC really be this dominating? Or am I getting the wrong impression? Best wished to both teams for tonight ... and does anyone have the freshman and JV results?SLC has won 98% (53-1) of it's games over the last 3+ years (since moving up to 5A) with appearances in the state championship game all three years with two championships. The only loss was in 2003 by 1 point to Katy in the finals. I'd say that's pretty close to a dream team.

Denton Ryan is also an oustanding team having appeared in 4 state championship games (all in 4A) in the last 5 years winning twice. Denton Ryan moved up to 5A last year and was undefeated except for two losses to SLC. This year they have one loss to very highly regarded 4A power, Highland Park.

Both are very well coached teams. Should be a very good game.

[dentonRYAN]

"Riod Out"
"Raiders are real....Dragons are fake"
"Duck the Fragons"
"Riod Rage"

oh how i love the Denton Ryan spirit

[ALLIN]

Man, u are funny, I think it is roid, not riod. Dumb, but funny!

[dentonRYAN]

yea roid not riod....lol....sorry

not my idea....i just saw these on shirts the past couple of days

[dragonfootballfan]

"Riod Out"
"Raiders are real....Dragons are fake"
"Duck the Fragons"
"Riod Rage"

oh how i love the Denton Ryan spirit
You get the creativity award this week. Nobody has ever said those before. Wow

[RyanRaiderDad]

Best wished to both teams for tonight ... and does anyone have the freshman and JV results?

Last night was not a good one for DR. I have sons on both the Freshman and JV squads. Freshman B down by 21, came back to take the lead only to lose the game in the last two minutes by 3. Freshman A lost by 2. JV B got blown out (not sure of the score) and JV A lost 38-27.

I'm sure at this point it may be tempting for some of you to say just get used to it because it's coming again... but everyone on here with a school that has a winning tradition understands that you never get used to a loss, even at the hands of one of the best HS teams in the country... so no need in saying it!!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

No offense but what is the big deal about this game. First, SL will win because Ryan is not that strong, it is a midseason district game against two teams who will make the playoffs. It has no bearing on their seasons. So what if it's on TV.

The big game in the district is Grapevine and FR. Grapevine wins it has the instead track for the 3rd spot behind Ryan and SL. If that happens then SL goes to the D1 playoffs and meets Trinity in the first round. Then the winner gets to play Plano.

The Playoffs is the only thing that matters. Whose got the championship trophy at the end of the run. By the way Plano has 7 which is tops in the state all-time.

[DR Raider]

Last night was not a good one for DR. I have sons on both the Freshman and JV squads. Freshman B down by 21, came back to take the lead only to lose the game in the last two minutes by 3. Freshman A lost by 2. JV B got blown out (not sure of the score) and JV A lost 38-27.

I'm sure at this point it may be tempting for some of you to say just get used to it because it's coming again... but everyone on here with a school that has a winning tradition understands that you never get used to a loss, even at the hands of one of the best HS teams in the country... so no need in saying it!!
RRD - actually, the JV results may be positive forshadowing. Last year the JV won and the varsity lost. Turnabout is fair play, right?

[Favpack]

No offense but what is the big deal about this game. First, SL will win because Ryan is not that strong, it is a midseason district game against two teams who will make the playoffs. It has no bearing on their seasons. So what if it's on TV.

The big game in the district is Grapevine and FR. Grapevine wins it has the instead track for the 3rd spot behind Ryan and SL. If that happens then SL goes to the D1 playoffs and meets Trinity in the first round. Then the winner gets to play Plano.

The Playoffs is the only thing that matters. Whose got the championship trophy at the end of the run. By the way Plano has 7 which is tops in the state all-time.

Awwright!!! We got some Plano smack talk going -man that will make you feel young again. Plano has 7 5A state trophies? That is something to crow about for sure.

[Favpack]

No offense but what is the big deal about this game. First, SL will win because Ryan is not that strong, it is a midseason district game against two teams who will make the playoffs. It has no bearing on their seasons. So what if it's on TV.

The big game in the district is Grapevine and FR. Grapevine wins it has the instead track for the 3rd spot behind Ryan and SL. If that happens then SL goes to the D1 playoffs and meets Trinity in the first round. Then the winner gets to play Plano.

The Playoffs is the only thing that matters. Whose got the championship trophy at the end of the run. By the way Plano has 7 which is tops in the state all-time.

Upon further review - I only count Plano with 4 State 5A titles - did they win some lower classifications?

[Dargason]

Upon further review - I only count Plano with 4 State 5A titles - did they win some lower classifications?SEVEN TIMES A CHAMPION
Plano has won seven state titles and finished as the state runner-up in two other seasons.
Year Finish Score
1965 Class 2A State Champion Plano 20, Edna 17
1967 Class 2A State Champion Plano 27, San Antonio Randolph 6
1971 Class 3A State Champion Plano 21, Gregory-Portland 20
1977 Class 4A State Champion Plano 13, Port Neches-Groves 10
1978 Class 4A State Runner-Up Houston Stratford 29, Plano 13
1986 Class 5A State Champion Plano 24, La Marque 7
1987 Class 5A State Champion Plano 28, Houston Stratford 21
1993 Class 5A State Runner-Up Converse Judson 35, Plano 13
1994 Class 5A Division I State Champion Plano 28, Katy 7

[Favpack]

SEVEN TIMES A CHAMPION
Plano has won seven state titles and finished as the state runner-up in two other seasons.
Year Finish Score
1965 Class 2A State Champion Plano 20, Edna 17
1967 Class 2A State Champion Plano 27, San Antonio Randolph 6
1971 Class 3A State Champion Plano 21, Gregory-Portland 20
1977 Class 4A State Champion Plano 13, Port Neches-Groves 10
1978 Class 4A State Runner-Up Houston Stratford 29, Plano 13
1986 Class 5A State Champion Plano 24, La Marque 7
1987 Class 5A State Champion Plano 28, Houston Stratford 21
1993 Class 5A State Runner-Up Converse Judson 35, Plano 13
1994 Class 5A Division I State Champion Plano 28, Katy 7

Welcome aboard Dargason - thanks for the clarification.

[KLH75287]

Where is the stadium???

GO PACK IN '05

[dentonRYAN]

Its in Denton....

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=2384

some people put directions to the stadium in that thread

[KLH75287]

Thanks

[cougarcb16]

Thanks for all the information. It is truly unimaginable the results that SLC has gotten so far. It is also good to hear that Denton Ryan is a storied program. I think the best part about it is that they both win with class. Ill be hoping for a good game tonight, but I predict SLC winning by atleast 4 scores because if DR blitzes im pretty sure McElroy will find the open man.

[RyanRaiderDad]

No offense but what is the big deal about this game. First, SL will win because Ryan is not that strong, it is a midseason district game against two teams who will make the playoffs. It has no bearing on their seasons. So what if it's on TV.

The big game in the district is Grapevine and FR. Grapevine wins it has the instead track for the 3rd spot behind Ryan and SL. If that happens then SL goes to the D1 playoffs and meets Trinity in the first round. Then the winner gets to play Plano.

The Playoffs is the only thing that matters. Whose got the championship trophy at the end of the run. By the way Plano has 7 which is tops in the state all-time.

Okay.... here's the deal. We're all HS football fans here. This may not be a big deal to most. I haven't counted, but I would say 75-80% of the posts here are from DR and SLC fans. So if it's not a big deal to everyone else that is cool. It's a big deal to both sides in this game. Even though the history between these two teams is short, it is a proud and respectful one. So ya... we're excited to go head to head!! Everyone saw us take a beating last year on national TV, so this year any talk about it is labeled as overhyped... That's okay, still important to us... If this were a thread labeled "SLC vs. Plano" there would be tons of posts here from fans about the game, playoffs or not. That's what makes this board fun!! It's quite okay that others don't think it's a big deal.... really! Survivor is on CBS tonight from 7-8.... after that I'm sure there is something on PBS!!

[Favpack]

what time is kickoff?

[dragonfootballfan]

what time is kickoff?
7:30

[Redneckn]

I am having my parents tape it for me since I'm going to be on the road.

I really am curious to see SLC on screen or live.

[relraiderfan]

Good luck to both teams tonight. I will be flipping back and forth between that game and the stros. Hopefully this will be a better matchup then what fox had last week. Too bad my raiders didnt show up.

[DragonFan]

41-0 Another shutout by the Dragon Defense. The Dragons did not look overpowering but the score says otherwise.

[drgnbkr]

Ryan played very hard as Florences teams are known to do..too much Dragon for them....

[dentonRYAN]

I blame the officials.... for making the score look so one sided

Carroll is the better team....but this would have been a really close game the way both teams were playing.....but i guess not thanks to the ref.....

[dentonRYAN]

if you call a penelty on one side.....call it on the other

and if you watched this game on tv....you problaby have no idea the amount of times the officials impacted this game

[Texasfrog]

if you call a penelty on one side.....call it on the other

and if you watched this game on tv....you problaby have no idea the amount of times the officials impacted this game

What really killed Ryan was going for it twice on 4th and short and getting "stuffed" and giving SLC offense a short field.

[RyanRaiderDad]

Ouch %@$#%!$%

Good Game Dragons!

Our offense has been iffy all year... really showed tonight. Your receivers also ran away from our secondary. One bright spot for us... we did shut down the running game. Not sure why we dont run more crossing routes with our recievers... just straight down the field. That works okay until you're up against someone that can match your speed.

Not that it would have changed the outcome of the game... but the officiating was horrible... many, many questionable calls and non calls. That does take the wind out of your sails in a hurry.

[BigFanSLC]

if you call a penelty on one side.....call it on the other

and if you watched this game on tv....you problaby have no idea the amount of times the officials impacted this game

yes blame the officials for that 41-0 loss. Dragons are just unstoppable on O.

[dragonfootballfan]

this must be the first game all season where the calls have gone Carroll's way. Carroll never got any calls from the officials especially in the Heritage game.

[RyanRaiderDad]

Just out of curiosity... for those of you who saw it on TV, when McElroy got his helmet torn off, did our guy even come close to touching his face mask. From our side of the field and the instant replay on the scoreboard it didnt even look close... but the ref on that side (who made bad calls all night) gave us a PF penalty. Does it automatically call for a penalty when a player gets his helmet torn off

[Sakatha]

Guys...

Be real. There were at least 5 dead ball personal foul penalties against DR. There could've been more.

I don't know what was going on out there, but there were a helluva lotta cheap shots.

Looked more like DR players losing their cool than anything else.

That's not a shot. Just what it looked like over here.

As far as the 'facemask'. I don't know what happened. It was Dodge, though, not McElroy.

~DnM

[LPFAN]

Just out of curiosity... for those of you who saw it on TV, when McElroy got his helmet torn off, did our guy even come close to touching his face mask. From our side of the field and the instant replay on the scoreboard it didnt even look close... but the ref on that side (who made bad calls all night) gave us a PF penalty. Does it automatically call for a penalty when a player gets his helmet torn off
It was Riley Dodge and yes it was an obvious facemask. Must have been a bad angle they had to show you on the replay screen but on TV it was obvious. Now I doubt it was intentional but no doubt it was a facemask. And by the way if I am not mistaken you don't necessarily have to grab the facemask to be called for it. You could be called for a facemask even if you grab the back of the helmet and yank the players helmet off or make him turn his head. Heck I think they just call it even if you just grab the back but then let go. Now I could be wrong but I am pretty sure I am not.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Okay.... here's the deal. We're all HS football fans here. This may not be a big deal to most. I haven't counted, but I would say 75-80% of the posts here are from DR and SLC fans. So if it's not a big deal to everyone else that is cool. It's a big deal to both sides in this game. Even though the history between these two teams is short, it is a proud and respectful one. So ya... we're excited to go head to head!! Everyone saw us take a beating last year on national TV, so this year any talk about it is labeled as overhyped... That's okay, still important to us... If this were a thread labeled "SLC vs. Plano" there would be tons of posts here from fans about the game, playoffs or not. That's what makes this board fun!! It's quite okay that others don't think it's a big deal.... really! Survivor is on CBS tonight from 7-8.... after that I'm sure there is something on PBS!!

I was right though. It wasn't a close game for the 2nd straight year. SL is a better progarm at this stage. It's good to be a fan but you had to realize Ryan was not going to win. However, when people start talking about Freshman B team scores from each program that is taking it a bit to far in these message boards.

[RyanRaiderDad]

I was right though. It wasn't a close game for the 2nd straight year. SL is a better progarm at this stage. It's good to be a fan but you had to realize Ryan was not going to win. However, when people start talking about Freshman B team scores from each program that is taking it a bit to far in these message boards.

In no part of that post did I predict or call for a victory, in fact, if you read some of my earlier posts, I also stated I did not see us winning that game as I have seen all but one Ryan game and watched two SLC games.

As for the other scores, look at the post again.... it was a reply to a question about how the other SLC/DR games went. I knew, so I told him. If someone asks you about Plano and you know the answer I'm sure you would reply. You wouldnt tell them they are taking it to far with thier questions...

[DR Raider]

Most disturbing part of the game from this perspective was the unsportsmanlike penalties against DR. In past years, that has not been part of DR football. I see in the Denton paper where Coach Florence was quoted as saying he intends to address that problem. From the DR side of the field, it was impossible to see what happened with Demoyne Hogg (DR #18) and Tony Adams (DR#11). If anyone has any additional info, please enlighten us.

Several surprises in the game - DR used a different defense (4/3/4) that was effective in shutting down the running of McElroy and Newton, but, left DR's dbs on an island with SLC's receivers.

DR's defense also put SLC in many third and long situations because of excellent play on first and second - only to have SLC make the third down. The third down pass on SLC's first touchdown drive was a thing of beauty.

The biggest difference between the two teams was that SLC consistently shut down DR's passing attack (except for the short sideline routes) while DR's dbs won some battles but also lost some battles with SLC's receivers - and the losses usually meant six points.

And, of course, the decision to go for it on fourth down right before the half was very questionable - the SLC touchdown after the failed attempt was very damaging psychologically.

Obviously, the best team won - good luck to SLC - if Grapevine doesn't make it to the playoffs, maybe we will see you again in December.

[SLCDad]

Several surprises in the game - DR used a different defense (4/3/4) that was effective in shutting down the running of McElroy and Newton, but, left DR's dbs on an island with SLC's receivers.

DR's defense also put SLC in many third and long situations because of excellent play on first and second - only to have SLC make the third down. The third down pass on SLC's first touchdown drive was a thing of beauty.

The biggest difference between the two teams was that SLC consistently shut down DR's passing attack (except for the short sideline routes) while DR's dbs won some battles but also lost some battles with SLC's receivers - and the losses usually meant six points.

Obviously, the best team won - good luck to SLC - if Grapevine doesn't make it to the playoffs, maybe we will see you again in December.SLC ran wild with short passes and long runs the last two weeks. It's not surprising that Coach Florence felt he needed to shut that down. He took a chance on SLC not being able to hit the long pass. That's why we saw the two farthest wide outs (Fentriss and Renfrow) have huge games. They are the predominant targets on the long ball. I don't think anyone can fault Coach Florence for his tactics on defense.

[Sakatha]

DR Raider -

Thanks for acknowledging that this happened... The unsportsmanlike stuff I mean. I have *TONS* of respect for DR, but there was some cheap shotting going on last night. I dunno what caused it, and as I said to my wife from the stands, it's impossible know who's fault... Some of our kids might've said something awful to a DR player, and we provoked the whole thing...Who knows!!! I was just shocked, that's all.

That's just hard to see from the stands, unfortunately. Do you have *any* idea what was up with the, what looked like, eye gouge that went on? I assume it was involving the player you mentioned above?

~DnM

[Sakatha]

SLCDad nailed it.

Contrary to some people's observations, SLC is *not* one dimensional. We'll take the short pass, the long pass, the run.. Whatever is open. It can't all be covered. SLC lived out of the slots(Allen and McKay)and the run(Tre') the first 6 weeks. DR shut it down almost completely, with the exception of McElroy missing Jacobson over the middle in the end zone. Therefore, SLC decided to hit the deep posts and streaks.

~DnM

[toonman]

I blame the officials.... for making the score look so one sided

Carroll is the better team....but this would have been a really close game the way both teams were playing.....but i guess not thanks to the ref.....

I watched the game on television and yes, I saw the Ref make one touchdown pass, and think the line judge caught 3 passes for touchdowns or was that the Umpire. At the end of the day, DR was not good enough on both sides of the ball.

[SLCDad]

Just out of curiosity... for those of you who saw it on TV, when McElroy got his helmet torn off, did our guy even come close to touching his face mask. From our side of the field and the instant replay on the scoreboard it didnt even look close... but the ref on that side (who made bad calls all night) gave us a PF penalty. Does it automatically call for a penalty when a player gets his helmet torn offI TIVO'd the game and watched that play a couple of times after the game. They showed a few different angles. From two angles I thought it was a bad call, however, the 3rd angle showed that the right call was made. If he didn't grab the face mask he grabbed the helmet where the face mask is attached. Either way, it was the right call.

[SLCDad]

Let's not forget that Ryan has lost only four games in 5A. Three to the #1 team and the other to the #8 ranked team (when all divisions are ranked together). To put that in perspective Highland Park ranks above Smithson Valley, Converse Judson, Plano and Abilene this year.

[DR Raider]

Having seen SLC play twice before and then again last night, there is no question SLC deserves its ranking. A few impressions:

1. It did look like on occasion that the speed of the DR defensive line was a problem for the SLC Oline. The DR DLine was getting pressure without any blitzes.

2. McElroy does not seem to have the same running ability as Daniel had. The really frustrating thing about Daniel was that sometimes he was more dangerous after you had flushed him out of the pocket than he was in the pocket. Riley Dodge strikes the same kind of fear once he starts running.

3. Every year before the game I am sure Fenty can get deep on Simpson. And every year after the game, JF has zero catches. Is Simpson that fast or does he just cover well?

4. The SLC LBs and Agnew are excellent in both run support and pass coverage.

5. Surprised at the smaller than usual SLC travelling party.

[SLCDad]

Having seen SLC play twice before and then again last night, there is no question SLC deserves its ranking. A few impressions:

1. It did look like on occasion that the speed of the DR defensive line was a problem for the SLC Oline. The DR DLine was getting pressure without any blitzes.

2. McElroy does not seem to have the same running ability as Daniel had. The really frustrating thing about Daniel was that sometimes he was more dangerous after you had flushed him out of the pocket than he was in the pocket. Riley Dodge strikes the same kind of fear once he starts running.

3. Every year before the game I am sure Fenty can get deep on Simpson. And every year after the game, JF has zero catches. Is Simpson that fast or does he just cover well?

4. The SLC LBs and Agnew are excellent in both run support and pass coverage.

5. Surprised at the smaller than usual SLC travelling party.McElroy is not as fast as Daniel but Dodge is probably faster.

Part of the Dragon Nation stayed home last night. It was a school night and the kids would get in late. After battling huge oversold crowds the last two weeks I think that many SLC fans didn't want to go through it again and then travel all the way home. It's easier to sit on the sofa and watch.

[ALLIN]

Simpson is not all that fast, but he is always and i mean always in position to make a play. I really dont know how he does it, but he is very good at coverage.

[Fleeman93]

I TIVO'd the game and watched that play a couple of times after the game. They showed a few different angles. From two angles I thought it was a bad call, however, the 3rd angle showed that the right call was made. If he didn't grab the face mask he grabbed the helmet where the face mask is attached. Either way, it was the right call.

The only mistake that the ref made on the play was allowing it to continue. Once the QB lost his helmet then the play should have been blown dead for safety reasons (in the rule book).

[ALLIN]

How many of yall saw SLC #77 get gouged in the eye by the DR End? It was in slow motion on national tv

[Sakatha]

I saw it.

~DnM

[SLCDad]

How many of yall saw SLC #77 get gouged in the eye by the DR End? It was in slow motion on national tvI saw it also. A flag was thrown. The unsportsmanlike conduct penalties against DR surprised me.

[RyanRaiderDad]

How many of yall saw SLC #77 get gouged in the eye by the DR End? It was in slow motion on national tv

That's unfortunate, and I promise Flo will repremand that player for that sort of behavior. I have a son on the DR team. He has taken two very cheap shots this season. On both occasions, after the game I asked him why he didn't retaliate, at least a little (I know, I know, but my dad instinct wants him to fight back). His response, "It's not worth the trouble it would cause him in the locker room from the coaching staff". It's just not condoned or accepted by Flo and company, retaliatory or not!

[Sakatha]

The Ryan Fans and Coaches along with the SLC Fans and Coaches, overall, seem to have a good relationship... I believe there is a mutual respect.

When you're gettin' taken to the woodshed, you lose your cool sometimes. It's hard to do the right thing when it's under those conditions.

:)

One day, we'll get our hide tanned and know what it feels like again. Let's hope we handle it correctly.

~DnM

[Sakatha]

RyanRaiderDad -

On that note, your facility gets a HUGE A+ from me. Aside from shakey exiting capability from the game, it was a GREAT venue. We're a little jealous in Southlake. We got a bad deal on our stadium... It's wonderful, if we were still 4A.. :(

~DnM

[DR Raider]

RyanRaiderDad -

On that note, your facility gets a HUGE A+ from me. Aside from shakey exiting capability from the game, it was a GREAT venue. We're a little jealous in Southlake. We got a bad deal on our stadium... It's wonderful, if we were still 4A.. :(

~DnM
I have a running joke with my brother-in-law (his kids, my nephews go to Southlake) that when he asks me where the cupholders are at the Denton Stadium, I tell him that, unlike Dragon Stadium, we chose instant replay instead of cup holders.

Denton Stadium is great, but, as many people have pointed out, the sideline is VERY, VERY (TOO) close to the concrete stadium walls. One of these days, there is going to be a serious accident.

[RyanRaiderDad]

RyanRaiderDad -

On that note, your facility gets a HUGE A+ from me. Aside from shakey exiting capability from the game, it was a GREAT venue. We're a little jealous in Southlake. We got a bad deal on our stadium... It's wonderful, if we were still 4A.. :(

~DnM
I only have one real issue with our new stadium... They should have added 10-15 ft. to each sideline. They are to squished down there and it is just a matter of time before a player gets hurt from hitting a bench or a wall. Such a basic thing to make such a dumb design mistake on. For what that thing cost, they could have made it 30 ft wider and cut off the last row of parking on either side. It would have taken the same amount of space. Other than that it is a nice stadium.

I wouldn't say that about your stadium... as I was walking up to in on Wed night for the JV game, I really like how it looked from the outside. Ours is very, very plain.... no stone work etc to dress it up.

[SLC13]

RyanRaiderDad -

On that note, your facility gets a HUGE A+ from me. Aside from shakey exiting capability from the game, it was a GREAT venue. We're a little jealous in Southlake. We got a bad deal on our stadium... It's wonderful, if we were still 4A.. :(
Sakatha, were you living Southlake at the time that the bond issue for the stadium came up?? If you were I'm surprised you don't remember the politics of that time. We were pretty fortunate to get the stadium we have. While most Dragons on this board knew we should build something more, there was a very large group of folks that thought just about anything that was an upgrade over "old" Dragon Stadium was good enough. The thought of spending anywhere near the $21M that Denton spent, would have never come close to passing.....

[SLC13]

I have a running joke with my brother-in-law (his kids, my nephews go to Southlake) that when he asks me where the cupholders are at the Denton Stadium, I tell him that, unlike Dragon Stadium, we chose instant replay instead of cup holders....................

DR Raider, you all do have a beautiful facility. Great place to watch a game!! I am wondering if last night, though, you might rather have had the cupholders?? ;) ......JK

Good luck the rest of the year, maybe we'll catch you again down the road!!

[drgnbkr]

How many of yall saw SLC #77 get gouged in the eye by the DR End? It was in slow motion on national tv

It was #18 for DR..he was kind of a hot dog all night...

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

It was #18 for DR..he was kind of a hot dog all night...


SL fans
GAme over you won big as expected. Move on get to 10-0 and get ready for Trinity then Plano in D1. Thats when the fun begins. No offense thought,but your district is not very strong this year way to many 5-5 teams.

[DR Raider]

It was #18 for DR..he was kind of a hot dog all night...

Coach Florence's statement in the Denton paper today suggests strongly that the problem will be addressed promptly.

[dragonsdaddy]

SL fans
GAme over you won big as expected. Move on get to 10-0 and get ready for Trinity then Plano in D1. Thats when the fun begins. No offense thought,but your district is not very strong this year way to many 5-5 teams.
as opposed to the juggernaut that is 8-5a. there aren't 2 teams in your district that should win a game in the po's. if pshs wasn't where they are, your district wouldn't have a po worthy team at all.

[SLC13]

SL fans
GAme over you won big as expected. Move on get to 10-0 and get ready for Trinity then Plano in D1. Thats when the fun begins. No offense thought,but your district is not very strong this year way to many 5-5 teams.
As compared with that district of powerhouses that you're in?? Sounds to me like the pot callin' the kettle...... :)

[SLC13]

as opposed to the juggernaut that is 8-5a. there aren't 2 teams in your district that should win a game in the po's. if pshs wasn't where they are, your district wouldn't have a po worthy team at all.
you must type faster than me........... :D

[dragons08]

You get the creativity award this week. Nobody has ever said those before. Wow
how about slay the dragons, or dragons only exist in dreams, welcome to your worst nightmare, and puff the magic dragon...common signs i see every game, no signs i saw last game..were we like not allowed to have signs cause of sponsers or what?

[dragons08]

Just out of curiosity... for those of you who saw it on TV, when McElroy got his helmet torn off, did our guy even come close to touching his face mask. From our side of the field and the instant replay on the scoreboard it didnt even look close... but the ref on that side (who made bad calls all night) gave us a PF penalty. Does it automatically call for a penalty when a player gets his helmet torn off
it was riley, but yea it was obvious, happend right in front of me, at first i thought riley hit hte concrete afterwards, and i noticed after the play was over, a couple DR players sticking fingers in the SLC helemts, i cant recall the numbers, but it was a hard fought game, really aggresive by both teams IMO, good luck DR the rest of the season

[dragons08]

RyanRaiderDad -

On that note, your facility gets a HUGE A+ from me. Aside from shakey exiting capability from the game, it was a GREAT venue. We're a little jealous in Southlake. We got a bad deal on our stadium... It's wonderful, if we were still 4A.. :(

~DnM
great stadium!! only problem was, the crickets and the narrow sidelines, i got a teacher tahts a football coach and was saying they mismeasured, and didnt realize till after the cement was poured, cause i was like wow it is NARROW