A.P. Poll

[SLCDad]

School Rec Pts Pvs
1. Carroll (20) 5-0 200 1
2. Spring Westfield 3-0 164 2
3. Longview 6-0 155 3
4. Lufkin 4-0 140 4
5. Trinity 5-0 119 5
6. Katy 4-0 103 6
7. Abilene 5-0 78 7
8. Copperas Cove 5-0 58 8
9. Dallas Carter 5-0 32 9
10. Schertz Clemens 6-0 15 -

Dropped out: No. 10 Tyler Lee. Others receiving votes: Smithson Valley 13, Galena Park North Shore 10, Leander 9, Irving MacArthur 3, Austin Westlake 1.

[LoboFan07]

No Tyler Lee? What a surprise! *holds laughter in*

[LUFPAN]

Every team in that top 7 has a legitimate shot at winning it all.

[c-lisle]

Another brutal road this year to the D2 title.

[CCBoy]

Every team in that top 7 has a legitimate shot at winning it all.
I will say the whole top ten and the other receiving votes have legitimate shots as well to win the big one. All are great programs.

[CoveFan05]

Every team in that top 7 has a legitimate shot at winning it all.


Every team in the top 8....And #10, they have the best defense in texas this year

[LongviewLobo209]

What is your orignal source for the AP poll, I would like to the 4A - 1A polls as well.

[badger95]

Westlake still getting a vote! That's what I'm talkin' about!

[SLCDad]

What is your orignal source for the AP poll, I would like to the 4A - 1A polls as well.This poll came from the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram website. The Dallas Morning News also has it.

Here is the 4A poll:

CLASS 4A

School Rec Pts Pvs
1. La Marque (17) 4-0 195 1
2. Highland Park (2) 5-0 178 2
3. Stephenville (1) 5-0 153 3
4. Brenham 4-0 135 4
5. Wollforth Frenship 5-0 103 6
6. Marshall 4-1 88 7
7. Texarkana 4-1 66 8
8. Ennis 4-1 50 9
9. Austin Lake Travis 5-0 38 10
10. Kilgore 4-1 24 5

Others receiving votes: Rosenberg Terry 19, Corpus Christi Calallen 15, New Branfels Canyon 12, Austin Travis 7, Hebron 7, Plainview 6, Klein Oak 2, Pflugerville Connally 1, El Paso Riverside 1.

[LUFPAN]

Every team in the top 8....And #10, they have the best defense in texas this year

I'd say the best defense in the state belongs to Lufkin this year...tons of speed. But I will admit that I am biased.

[CoveFan05]

Thats like me saying Cove has the best QB in the state Brent Garner. Thats not right, hes ONE of the best. Very versatile, if Cove has to run to win hell pick up 100+ while the runnin back does too. If we gotta pass hell do it too. Against Bryan he threw for 173 and ran for 110

[CCBoy]

I'd say the best defense in the state belongs to Lufkin this year...tons of speed. But I will admit that I am biased.
What he's saying, everyone in the top other than Carter.

[LUFPAN]

No doubt Cove is having a good year. I just don't think they have the speed or depth to still be hanging around at the end of December. Cove will have to proove themselves for the rest of the state to begin to believe in them the way you do. The way to proove it is by making a deep run in the play-offs. If they are still around in the second or third week of December then I'll be impressed. :cool:

[LUFPAN]

What he's saying, everyone in the top other than Carter.

Carter is always a regular season stud but can't follow up that success in the play-offs. Unfortunately for Carter, the brackets always end up pairing them with Longview early. That's a roadblock I just don't see Carter breaking through this year.

[CoveFan05]

No doubt Cove is having a good year. I just don't think they have the speed or depth to still be hanging around at the end of December. Cove will have to proove themselves for the rest of the state to begin to believe in them the way you do. The way to proove it is by making a deep run in the play-offs. If they are still around in the second or third week of December then I'll be impressed. :cool:


Cove doesn't have the speed? Thats why Cove is so good!!! Garner QB 4.6, Buckram Rb 4.3, Millsap RB 4.3, WR Powell 4.5....Slowest man on D runs a 5.3....No Speed...C'mon...

[Eagle81]

Any team looking past Longview is making a big mistake. While it looks like the race for state is wide open, until someone other than a team called Katy beats SLC they have to be the odds on favorite.

[LUFPAN]

Cove doesn't have the speed? Thats why Cove is so good!!! Garner QB 4.6, Buckram Rb 4.3, Millsap RB 4.3, WR Powell 4.5....Slowest man on D runs a 5.3....No Speed...C'mon...

We'll find out if those numbers are true or not when the play-offs come around. If they are still around in late December, then I'll believe.

[CoveFan05]

Speed has nothing to do with being around in December. You said Cove has no depth or speed and I was saying that Cove does. Must not know much about Copperas Cove

[LUFPAN]

Speed has nothing to do with still being around in late December? Gonna have to disagree with you on that one bud. Successful teams are built on speed.

[ktchamp97]

Speed has nothing to do with still being around in late December? Gonna have to disagree with you on that one bud. Successful teams are built on speed.

My state championship team had 1 guy that ran a legit sub 4.5. He was known to run folks over when he got thirsty :D.

[SLCDad]

Thats like me saying Cove has the best QB in the state Brent Garner. Thats not right, hes ONE of the best. Very versatile, if Cove has to run to win hell pick up 100+ while the runnin back does too. If we gotta pass hell do it too. Against Bryan he threw for 173 and ran for 110Let's see anyone argue with this. SLC has the best 7-8 WRs group in the state. There may be 1 or 2 or even 3 that can compare but no one has 7-8 that are as good as a group. ;) ;)

[CCBoy]

Carter is always a regular season stud but can't follow up that success in the play-offs. Unfortunately for Carter, the brackets always end up pairing them with Longview early. That's a roadblock I just don't see Carter breaking through this year.
So, are patterns never broken? I think so, but we will see.

[LUFPAN]

So, are patterns never broken? I think so, but we will see.

I certainly hope patterns can be broken. Us Lufkin folks sure would like to beat SLC eventually.

[lonny23]

We don't know if Clemens has the best defense or not. They've only played chumps so far.

[clemensbuff]

We don't know if Clemens has the best defense or not. They've only played chumps so far.

Like I said before, you just can't miss a chance to take a shot at Clemens!

[clemensbuff]

We don't know if Clemens has the best defense or not. They've only played chumps so far.

Another thing Lonny, if Judson can't shut out Roosevelt this week with all of the starters that they suspended, you will at least have to admit that Clemens' defense is better than Judson's defense!!!

[SVite]

Thats right suits,err voters,keep SV out of the top 10,you always want to,But we all know they`ll finish in the top 5.So you guys live the glory now,cause many will not end up there.

[DragonFan]

Polls do not really mean that much right now. However, all the top ten teams are currently undefeated. If you have a loss at this time then you are not a "Top Ten" team as of 10/3/05. The top ten will change week to week depending on how each team does. Right now a loss of any kind will make you tumble.

[lonny23]

Another thing Lonny, if Judson can't shut out Roosevelt this week with all of the starters that they suspended, you will at least have to admit that Clemens' defense is better than Judson's defense!!!
It all depends on what part of the game Judson gives up a score. If they're up 38-0 and TR gets a TD, it might not say anything, but if TR scores 10 points in the first half, I'll think about agreeing.

[lonny23]

Like I said before, you just can't miss a chance to take a shot at Clemens!
I don't mean it as a shot and am really serious. I know Clemens always has a real good defense and they played good defense for the most part against Judson in the playoffs. I was at the game the 2 years before that, too.

I do think it's legit to say we can't draw a lot of conclusions about them so far. I'll have a better idea after San Marcos and Seguin. I still have 5 weeks to say Clemens will beat Judson and I'll say it if I believe it.

What we can say about Judson is they'll beat most teams and can struggle with the top teams. If their offense improves, their chances to win a lot in the playoffs goes up exponentially.

[clemensbuff]

I don't mean it as a shot and am really serious. I know Clemens always has a real good defense and they played good defense for the most part against Judson in the playoffs. I was at the game the 2 years before that, too.

I do think it's legit to say we can't draw a lot of conclusions about them so far. I'll have a better idea after San Marcos and Seguin. I still have 5 weeks to say Clemens will beat Judson and I'll say it if I believe it.

What we can say about Judson is they'll beat most teams and can struggle with the top teams. If their offense improves, their chances to win a lot in the playoffs goes up exponentially.

I would agree with you that if Judson's offense takes off, then everyone better look out! I have never questioned their defense. Judson's defense year end and year out is always good and that defense is a big reason for all of the hardware in the case!

[LeanderLions3033]

I like it how Leander has gotten votes every week for the top 10 but we've just missed out. Lets keep it that way for the rest of the year. I like being undefeated and being oh #12 or so. It keeps the publicity off of us (because every year we just crack the top 10, we lose that game no matter who we play).

[The Great Evaluator]

I would have to say the top 6 are placed properly. I believe those are clearly the best in 5A, I could see anyone of them winning it all. I still believe SLC is the team to beat in Division 2 and Westfield in Division 1. It would not shock me to see any of the other 4 make it to the finals. I'm still not sold on Carter, although this is the best they've looked since Wilson arrived. The question for them will be what can they do when they have to pass. They're still a little 1 dimensional - but that one dimension is pretty good, especially with Curtis Bailey up front. I still like Smithson Valley as a darkhorse, they are very well coached and will be a tough out in the playoffs.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I'm intrigued by this Abilene team! Does anyone have any info on them? QB's? RB's? Defense?

Also, what heralded athletes do Galveston Ball have, this year??

[lonny23]

I'm intrigued by this Abilene team! Does anyone have any info on them? QB's? RB's? Defense?

Also, what heralded athletes do Galveston Ball have, this year??
Abilene has a 10'2" receiver who runs a 4.2 in the 40. At least that's what Texas Football said! :D Lyle Leong is a good receiver and Taylor Potts is a good QB and they'll be a tough draw for SLC in Round 3.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Abilene has a 10'2" receiver who runs a 4.2 in the 40. At least that's what Texas Football said! :D Lyle Leong is a good receiver and Taylor Potts is a good QB and they'll be a tough draw for SLC in Round 3.

Sounds good. How about Ball?

[RidgePride]

Carter is always a regular season stud but can't follow up that success in the play-offs. Unfortunately for Carter, the brackets always end up pairing them with Longview early. That's a roadblock I just don't see Carter breaking through this year.
When was the last time Carter played Longview?

[Go Buffs]

We don't know if Clemens has the best defense or not. They've only played chumps so far.
True enough lonny, we don't know if it's the best, but we do know it's good. I assume what you're saying is that it's unknown just how good the defense really is because most of the teams have been subpar.

On the other hand, given the competition, they are doing exactly what a great defense would do...keep 'em out of the endzone, create turnovers, and also score. If they weren't that good, even the lesser teams would be scoring more than they are now.

We'll see if they're really, really good or just really good. :D

[RidgePride]

Speed has nothing to do with still being around in late December? Gonna have to disagree with you on that one bud. Successful teams are built on speed.
I disagree with teams having to be built on speed. I believe Denton Ryan had more team speed than Southlake Last year. So did Lufkin - Longview and others.

[zippy]

I will agree but it does not matter, cause you can only have 5 out there at one time, and 4 in most situations. That leaves 4 on the sidelines useless. I just dont see the dream taking place this year. The way it it going, I dont know if SV or SLC will even make the finals. But I have been proved wrong before.


Let's see anyone argue with this. SLC has the best 7-8 WRs group in the state. There may be 1 or 2 or even 3 that can compare but no one has 7-8 that are as good as a group. ;) ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

maybe yes and maybe no, but no one would have mistaken slc for slow.

[Redneckn]

I'm a little peeved that I dont see my Smackover Buckaroos on that top25 poll. They are 5-0 this year. Springdale is in the same state and wont even play 'em.

I hate polls. They are just popularity contests.

[dragonsdaddy]

or sales gimmicks.

[Redneckn]

or sales gimmicks.


I don't guess I've ever thought about it that way before.. interesting concept.

[Red Raiders]

Polls do not really mean that much right now. However, all the top ten teams are currently undefeated. If you have a loss at this time then you are not a "Top Ten" team as of 10/3/05. The top ten will change week to week depending on how each team does. Right now a loss of any kind will make you tumble.

Your wrong, we were 2-2 at Top 10 and if we have won than we would have stayed in Top Ten for 3-2.

[bhs06]

The pollsters must be thinking highly of Allen, Lakeview, Bell, and Coppell for Mac to get 3 votes.

[CCBoy]

When was the last time Carter played Longview?
RidgePride,
The last meeting between Carter and Longview was in 2002. It was a close game throughout. It was 10-7 Longview in the final minutes to play and Longview broke for a huge play to seal their victory 17-7. Longview showed to be the better team that year because Carter didn't follow through to do what it took to win the game in which they had plenty chances.

[Texasfrog]

I don't guess I've ever thought about it that way before.. interesting concept.

Hey Redneck.. did you see the Billy Barefield kid at Memphis. He's playing alot of QB. He made alot of plays against UTEP at QB. I didnt think he would be a college QB but he's playing well.

[SLCDad]

I will agree but it does not matter, cause you can only have 5 out there at one time, and 4 in most situations. That leaves 4 on the sidelines useless. I just dont see the dream taking place this year. The way it it going, I dont know if SV or SLC will even make the finals. But I have been proved wrong before.Hey Zippy, I guess you haven't seen SLC play the last few weeks have you. :) :p They haven't missed a step from last year.

The 8 deep WRs make a HUGE DIFFERENCE. The DBs have a hard time keeping up with 4 and every few plays 4 new guys with fresh legs come in. They run DBs off the field. NO TEAM can defend them for very long.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Hey Zippy, I guess you haven't seen SLC play the last few weeks have you. :) :p They haven't missed a step from last year.

The 8 deep WRs make a HUGE DIFFERENCE. The DBs have a hard time keeping up with 4 and every few plays 4 new guys with fresh legs come in. They run DBs off the field. NO TEAM can defend them for very long.

When I think of SLC I think of Texas Tech!! The ultimate passing show!!!

But SLC knows how to win on the highest HS level. Tech is still having problems with OU, UT and aTm!! But then again, that's College Football, not HS!

[zippy]

I was just messing with you. What you are saying however is nothing new. SLC always has great players. If SV only had an offense this year, they would be back to face you guys. However, SLC might run into someone in the playoffs this year early that will have a chance. Its not as predictible as it was last year. Good luck to you guys, and I hear the RB has started doing better. Thats always good. Oh yea, the last I seen of SLC was against Lee. Didnt look too hot (for a SLC team), but I knew they would get it going. Abilene, Lufkin, Longview, and if Pflugerville can figure out a way to hold onto the ball are going to be tough competition this year. Looks like SLC will have another hard road. I honestly think that if Pflugerville would not turn the ball over so much, and if their defense got a little better, they might see you guys late...

Hey Zippy, I guess you haven't seen SLC play the last few weeks have you. :) :p They haven't missed a step from last year.

The 8 deep WRs make a HUGE DIFFERENCE. The DBs have a hard time keeping up with 4 and every few plays 4 new guys with fresh legs come in. They run DBs off the field. NO TEAM can defend them for very long.

[Redneckn]

Hey Redneck.. did you see the Billy Barefield kid at Memphis. He's playing alot of QB. He made alot of plays against UTEP at QB. I didnt think he would be a college QB but he's playing well.


Yeah I saw that.. I was actually a little shocked. I never thought much of him at QB. He didnt seem to gel with the ECA offense at QB. But I guess if he is doing good (and it appears he is) then good for him. I hope he has a successful career for college. He only the QB because of where he is though. But if thats what he wants then it's a good thing. At a big school he'd be running.. If playing at all.

[zippy]

Im ready to see how they do against a very good team, TT that is. I sure hope they didnt put too much into the offense and not enough into the D.


When I think of SLC I think of Texas Tech!! The ultimate passing show!!!

But SLC knows how to win on the highest HS level. Tech is still having problems with OU, UT and aTm!! But then again, that's College Football, not HS!

[SLCDad]

When I think of SLC I think of Texas Tech!! The ultimate passing show!!!

But SLC knows how to win on the highest HS level. Tech is still having problems with OU, UT and aTm!! But then again, that's College Football, not HS!Yes they are the ultimate passing show. However, they have averaged about 350 yards rushing the last two weeks. Season to date they gain 55% of their yards passing and 45% rushing. Quite balanced. It's due in large part to the huge rushing games over the last two weeks.

[SLCDad]

I was just messing with you. What you are saying however is nothing new. SLC always has great players. If SV only had an offense this year, they would be back to face you guys. However, SLC might run into someone in the playoffs this year early that will have a chance. Its not as predictible as it was last year.No problem my friend. I can't believe you said last year was so predictable. SLC had the toughest road to the finals in many, many years.

[zippy]

Well it was predictible up to that point. I knew SV would be there once they pounded San Benito 52-0, however each week I predicted SLC to win, and was surprised each week that it was so close, I however knew they would find a way to win. I knew that if SLC's defense played just a B+ game, they would make it, and they did

No problem my friend. I can't believe you said last year was so predictable. SLC had the toughest road to the finals in many, many years.