Texas vs. the Nation

[TrojanHorse03]

No this isn't a pissing contest thread actually far from it. I simply have a interesting question. Did the SLC vs. MNW game increse anyone else's interest in a annual Texas vs. the Nation event like the Herbstreit Challenge but with Texas teams instead? Even though Southlake lost(to a better team) I think this will only help them in their pursuit of the postseason and another state title. It also increased the respect I already had for the class that their players and coaches show, both in defeat and victory. It was clear last Saturday by the energy and the way fans packed Ford stadium as they did Texas Stadium last year, that the excitement in Texas for high school football is special. I think Ohio was ahead of the curve on this one, but I think Texas would be a great backdrop for a select number of games between Texas's best and the Nation's best every year. However I know some people don't like the marketing of high school football and/or Texas vs. Out of State games so I made it poll.

[ktCarl]

No this isn't a pissing contest thread actually far from it. I simply have a interesting question. Did the SLC vs. MNW game increse any one else's intrest in a annual Texas vs. the Nation event like the Herbstreit Challenge but with Texas teams instead? Even though Southlake lost(to a better team) I think this will only help them in their pursuit of the postseason and another state title. It also increased the respect I already had for the class that their players and coaches show, both in defeat and victory. It was clear last Saturday by the energy and the way fans packed Ford stadium as they did Texas Stadium last year, that the excitement in Texas for high school football is special. I think Ohio was ahead of the curve on this one, but I think Texas would be a great backdrop for a select number of games between Texas's best and the Nation's best every year. However I know some people don't like the marketing of high school football and/or Texas vs. Out of State games so I made it poll.

Only if there is a thread limit for the game on this site. :D

[GRP05]

No this isn't a pissing contest thread actually far from it. I simply have a interesting question. Did the SLC vs. MNW game increse any one else's intrest in a annual Texas vs. the Nation event like the Herbstreit Challenge but with Texas teams instead? Even though Southlake lost(to a better team) I think this will only help them in their pursuit of the postseason and another state title. It also increased the respect I already had for the class that their players and coaches show, both in defeat and victory. It was clear last Saturday by the energy and the way fans packed Ford stadium as they did Texas Stadium last year, that the excitement in Texas for high school football is special. I think Ohio was ahead of the curve on this one, but I think Texas would be a great backdrop for a select number of games between Texas's best and the Nation's best every year. However I know some people don't like the marketing of high school football and/or Texas vs. Out of State games so I made it poll.

Are you sure?

[jrock210]

No this isn't a pissing contest thread actually far from it. I simply have a interesting question. Did the SLC vs. MNW game increse anyone else's interest in a annual Texas vs. the Nation event like the Herbstreit Challenge but with Texas teams instead? Even though Southlake lost(to a better team) I think this will only help them in their pursuit of the postseason and another state title. It also increased the respect I already had for the class that their players and coaches show, both in defeat and victory. It was clear last Saturday by the energy and the way fans packed Ford stadium as they did Texas Stadium last year, that the excitement in Texas for high school football is special. I think Ohio was ahead of the curve on this one, but I think Texas would be a great backdrop for a select number of games between Texas's best and the Nation's best every year. However I know some people don't like the marketing of high school football and/or Texas vs. Out of State games so I made it poll.

I agree. Scare them off with the Haka of Trinity, the greatness of SLC, and the history of Permian and Judson. Plus Katy maybe :D

[katyfan52]

No this isn't a pissing contest thread actually far from it. I simply have a interesting question. Did the SLC vs. MNW game increse anyone else's interest in a annual Texas vs. the Nation event like the Herbstreit Challenge but with Texas teams instead? Even though Southlake lost(to a better team) I think this will only help them in their pursuit of the postseason and another state title. It also increased the respect I already had for the class that their players and coaches show, both in defeat and victory. It was clear last Saturday by the energy and the way fans packed Ford stadium as they did Texas Stadium last year, that the excitement in Texas for high school football is special. I think Ohio was ahead of the curve on this one, but I think Texas would be a great backdrop for a select number of games between Texas's best and the Nation's best every year. However I know some people don't like the marketing of high school football and/or Texas vs. Out of State games so I made it poll.
I don't, and I'm sorry to see that so far I'm in the minority. :cry We already draw a capacity crowd every game. Why do we need an exhibition?

[DrEdward]

The marketing success of this past weekend's game actually bothers me. It was a great football to watch and it was fun - the game itself, not all the crap surrounding it. What bothers me the most is what it could become- the commercialization of high school football. We have already seen its effects on the college game and it is already encroaching on the high school game. I understand that the districts love the extra sources of revenues from the advertising and the sponsorships, but that is before the advent of the big time tv markets and corporate sponsorships. Last season we saw the timing rules changed at the college level for the benefit of the tv sponsors. While they changed them back this season, they then proceeded to change the kickoff lines in an effort not so much to shorten the game time, but to be able to add more time to advertising while keeping the elpased time the same. Do we really want that sort of thing to encroach further upon the high school game? On that basis, as fun as the games could conceivably be, put me in the "no" category.

[katyfan52]

The marketing success of this past weekend's game actually bothers me. It was a great football to watch and it was fun - the game itself, not all the crap surrounding it. What bothers me the most is what it could become- the commercialization of high school football. We have already seen its effects on the college game and it is already encroaching on the high school game. I understand that the districts love the extra sources of revenues from the advertising and the sponsorships, but that is before the advent of the big time tv markets and corporate sponsorships. Last season we saw the timing rules changed at the college level for the benefit of the tv sponsors. While they changed them back this season, they then proceeded to change the kickoff lines in an effort not so much to shorten the game time, but to be able to add more time to advertising while keeping the elpased time the same. Do we really want that sort of thing to encroach further upon the high school game? On that basis, as fun as the games could conceivably be, put me in the "no" category.
Good post. I agree completely.

[TrojanHorse03]

I don't, and I'm sorry to see that so far I'm in the minority. :cry We already draw a capacity crowd every game. Why do we need an exhibition?
I can understand that. The way I see it, it will allow Texas's perenial powers to have a challenging nondistrict opponent that they wouldn't see again in the playoffs, in a playoff type atmosphere, out of their comfort zone BUT without traveling outside of the state of Texas. I think Texas better than any other state can draw top opponents to it, in part to the number of fans our games draw. Televised out of state games are already a a mostly positive part of high school football today, but Texas has more means than anybody to do it own its terms. Not to to mention the winners AND losers of these games often play for their respectitive state titles. All that being said I'm only proposing all these type of out of state games that our already being played be grouped together in a weekend classic format at a great venue.

[katyfan52]

I can understand that. The way I see it, it will allow Texas's perrenial powers to have a challenging nondistrict opponent that they wouldn't see again in the playoffs, in a playoff type atmosphere, out of their comfort zone BUT without traveling outside of the state of Texas. I think Texas better than any other state can draw top opponents to it, in part to the number of fans our games draw. Televised out of state games are already a a mostly positive part of high school today, but Texas has more means than anybody to do it own its terms. Not to to mention the winners AND losers of these games often play for their respectitive state titles.
We can already have a challenging non district opponent. We've been doing it for a long time. And I think the playoff atmosphere should be reserved for the playoff games. That's the payoff at the end of the long road. Why do we need to turn it into cash cow? Let's just let the kids play the game and let the fans support their team.

[LPMOM]

The marketing success of this past weekend's game actually bothers me. It was a great football to watch and it was fun - the game itself, not all the crap surrounding it. What bothers me the most is what it could become- the commercialization of high school football. We have already seen its effects on the college game and it is already encroaching on the high school game. I understand that the districts love the extra sources of revenues from the advertising and the sponsorships, but that is before the advent of the big time tv markets and corporate sponsorships. Last season we saw the timing rules changed at the college level for the benefit of the tv sponsors. While they changed them back this season, they then proceeded to change the kickoff lines in an effort not so much to shorten the game time, but to be able to add more time to advertising while keeping the elpased time the same. Do we really want that sort of thing to encroach further upon the high school game? On that basis, as fun as the games could conceivably be, put me in the "no" category.

i voted no too. i was discussing this with a fan sitting in front of me at the game (before the game started). these young men are still children!, and i didn't like all the trash talk and pressure. plus everything said in the post above. it was an awsome game, but we all could have lived without it.

[LPMOM]

p.s. bear with me lufkin, i'm stuck with this avatar untill somebody helps me change it.
but, it's o.k.! the dragon is cute!:D

[Football4life]

i dont' think there children anymore and there will be plenty of trash talking at any game

[rancher52]

The marketing success of this past weekend's game actually bothers me. It was a great football to watch and it was fun - the game itself, not all the crap surrounding it. What bothers me the most is what it could become- the commercialization of high school football. We have already seen its effects on the college game and it is already encroaching on the high school game. I understand that the districts love the extra sources of revenues from the advertising and the sponsorships, but that is before the advent of the big time tv markets and corporate sponsorships. Last season we saw the timing rules changed at the college level for the benefit of the tv sponsors. While they changed them back this season, they then proceeded to change the kickoff lines in an effort not so much to shorten the game time, but to be able to add more time to advertising while keeping the elpased time the same. Do we really want that sort of thing to encroach further upon the high school game? On that basis, as fun as the games could conceivably be, put me in the "no" category.

ditto

[katyfan52]

i dont' think there children anymore and there will be plenty of trash talking at any game
How many kids do you have?

[LPMOM]

i dont' think there children anymore and there will be plenty of trash talking at any game

when you have some kids, get back to me on this one!
i said they were YOUNG MEN! but they're still children untill they walk across that stage and get their diploma!

[LPMOM]

i dont' think there children anymore and there will be plenty of trash talking at any game

and the trash talking is not as harsh when it's kept instate because deep down we're family and work through it.

[katyfan52]

when you have some kids, get back to me on this one!
i said they were YOUNG MEN! but they're still children until they walk across that stage and get their diploma!
Thanks LPMom. That was my point. :)

[Slim-Rob]

It would be nice to see but there is no way to be sure that the Rep from each state will still be the best in the state the next season...

[TrojanHorse03]

I personally wouldn't label these games as "cash games." That's not these schools' motivation is money. Every year these games are played due to schedule needs because EVERY year there will be teams people REFUSE to play and teams in smaller districts and in teams like Longview's case both of the above, the final choice for the games to be televised remains strongly the school's choice. Whether they chose NOT to have the game televised, or YES to having the game televised, it is their right. As for the trash talk thing, it really doesn't matter if it comes from in state or out of state there's a line that shouldn't be crossed,period.

[TrojanHorse03]

As for the pressure of games being billed the best rep of Texas vs. rep of another state, the teams themselves always ultimately determine through the rest of the season whether they are elite teams. I not talking about 1 game "for all the marbles" every year however. When the Herbie was only Tyler Lee vs. Colerain it WAS overhyped. And SLC vs. MNW on its own was inaccurately made Texas vs. Florida. However since the Herbie has expanded to multiple games no one game has carried "the end all, be all" hype since. I would only propose about 3 games on the same weekend each year. So this year for example it would be something like Texas High vs ECA, Longview vs. Curtis, and Slc/Mnw on a Fri and Sat. at one neutral field. I wouldn't be surprised that if a slate like that was proposed it would lessen the emphasis on just the Slc and Mnw game at least a little bit.

[The King]

You know in most states private schools are the better schools and they more likely than not recruit. That would put a Texas team that just draws from the surrounding neighborhood or town at a disadvantage,

I read one poll earlier that an ohio team thought two transfers would help out. In my opinion this type of stuff at the High School level is bad.