Significance of SLC (TX) vs. MNW (FL)

[Drake]

I know what the winning and losing fans will be saying AFTER the game is played. I'm interested to see what they think BEFORE the game is played.

My question is: What does this game prove?

[Maxthedog]

IMO it will be a battle of systems and in the end it won't prove alot. Bottom line, how will each team fare in the run for a state championship.
If I had to pick between losing to Miami and winning state vs beating Miami and not winning state,,,,,I will take a state championship and not give a rat's rear who won this game. As a matter of fact, I agree with Hum and some others,,,let's get this damn game overwith and get on with Texas HS football. Note to SLC and others, don't schedule any games with teams that DON'T share a border with the state of Texas.

[KT2000]

The significance will clearly be which team plays best that day in my opinion. I believe anyone insinuating this is some kind of validation for either state is a little off their rocker. Some bragging rights, sure, but that's not going to carry any real significance in the grand scheme of things. I don't see this as a mythbusting game for either Texas or Florida as football states.

Both states produce quality football players with factory-like efficiency. That will not change based on this game.

It also depends on what you as a person define as being the best. Personally, I take the overall product into consideration. Talent is only one variable. In regard to individual talent, Texas and Florida are equally outstanding. However, when you start to bring other variables such as the overall balance of talent/quality of programs, community aspect, how the sport is cultivated overall, etc. then Texas pulls way out ahead.

The only state that can claim to be in the same galaxy as Texas in that regard is Ohio in my opinion.

This is a very intriguing match-up, but I think it carries very little significance in regard to validating or invalidating either Texas or Florida as football states. It's just not that big and to suggest so is an overstatement in my opinion.

[bigdaddydog]

I know what the winning and losing fans will be saying AFTER the game is played. I'm interested to see what they think BEFORE the game is played.

My question is: What does this game prove?

It proves which team was better for that game.

The unfortunate part of all this is that people will draw all sorts of conclusions and infer all sorts of causal relationships based on emotion and certainly non scientific, or non statistically significant basis.

Florida pwns Texas
Texas pwns Florida

The system overcame the talent
The talent overcame the system

Southlake is the best HS team ever in the entire universe
Miami Northwestern is the best team in the entire universe ever.

Riley Dodge is a great quarterback
Riley Dodge is not that great of a quarterback

Jacory Harris is a great quarterback
Jacory Harris is not that great of a quarterback.

and on, and on, and on, and on.....

If Southlake wins I think folks on here will be more humble (well most folks).

If Miami Northwestern wins then I think they will be falling all over themselves to trash Texas HS football and Southlake (well most of them).

Cheers,

[STJL41]

I'm pretty sure that no matter what the outcome of the game is, there will be people from the winning side acting like idiots. I'm not saying SLC wouldn't handle a win with class, because most of the community (especially those on these boards) seems to have handled their past success in the same manner. But we all know there will be plenty of trash talking from either side once this game is finally done with. Of course, by the way some of the MNW fans are already acting on here, I won't be shocked to read about it for weeks if they win.

But they won't...

Dragons 45
Bulls 17

PS (and I'm trying to be classy about this) Texas HS doesn't need this game to prove its worth. Just like everything else with Texans, we already know we are better.

[jbusch]

MNW is bringing their band and many of the players have never been out of the Miami.

Has anybody thought about Texas is going to handle all the defections of the Miami kids that will want to stay in Texas after the game? Kind of like the athletes from the "other" countries that want to stay in the US when their teams play here once they find out the high quality of life.

[drgnbkr]

MNW is bringing their band and many of the players have never been out of the Miami.

Has anybody thought about Texas is going to handle all the defections of the Miami kids that will want to stay in Texas after the game? Kind of like the athletes from the "other" countries that want to stay in the US when their teams play here once they find out the high quality of life.

Janet Reno will swoop in and return them all to South Florida, ala Elian Gonzales, the Cuban kid who was taken from his home in Miami and returned to that paradise known as Cuba.

[KT2000]

Has anybody thought about Texas is going to handle all the defections of the Miami kids that will want to stay in Texas after the game?

That is a non-issue and Texas obviously isn't immune to rough neighborhoods. In everything I have read from these Northwestern players, you can tell they have a fierce pride in their Liberty City community. It is a rough place, no doubt, but I certainly don't think it's fair to paint the entire place with a broad stroke and dismiss it as producing nothing but Third World thugs. Some of the most remarkable human achievement stories I've ever heard started in places like Liberty City.

[SLC93]

This is one game between two teams. Nothing more, nothing less. There are many factors that make this matchup intriguing, so interest is up. This game pits two of the tops teams from two of the top states in the nation, so pride is swollen. We've debated, argued, accepted & dismissed every angle of this game for the better part of six months. Fact of the matter is this game will more than likely fail to live up to billing, one way or another. The great matchups actually being great games are few & far between. That's one of the reasons Carroll/Trinity was so special. Regardless of outcome both of these squads have games next week, districts to compete for & state playoffs to navigate. I'm excited & ready, no doubt, however it will be the internet blow hards that make this game out to be end all for the debate on state supremacy.

[toonman]

I hope it is a show case for high school football, especially Texas High School Football. I have e-mailed all my work colleagues throughout the country to watch this game. I have tried to explain what Texas High School Football is all about; I just want a game worthy of the occasion, proving what a great experience Texas High Football is.

No matter which team loses, life will go on and each team could still win their respective State Championships.

[stevefoxsc]

Nothing really matters between that game, if mnw that doesn't make it better then texas football. if slc wins it doesn't make it better the fl football. All off season its been slc this and mnw that i honestly could careless about either school right now. To me at this moment in time its just another dumb game being played on another dumb day.

The winner that day will be the one who came to play and played better.

[DragonBand06]

The game matters not; Good ole Texas pwns everyone when it comes to football.

[rams55]

That is a non-issue and Texas obviously isn't immune to rough neighborhoods. In everything I have read from these Northwestern players, you can tell they have a fierce pride in their Liberty City community. It is a rough place, no doubt, but I certainly don't think it's fair to paint the entire place with a broad stroke and dismiss it as producing nothing but Third World thugs. Some of the most remarkable human achievement stories I've ever heard started in places like Liberty City.

LIKE grand theft auto..........(the video game):D

[CoppellDad]

Has anybody thought about Texas is going to handle all the defections of the Miami kids that will want to stay in Texas after the game? Kind of like the athletes from the "other" countries that want to stay in the US when their teams play here once they find out the high quality of life.

I think they will have to think about their chances of academically passing in Texas. According to other links and messages, they have issues with grades. If they were to join the Texas school system, they would probably not be considered in the Top 25 percent of their graduating class. No-Pass No-Play!

[Texasfrog]

The game will be bragging rights mostly. I've said it before and I'll say it again from growing up in Texas and playing HS ball there to living in Miami-Dade Co. for 3 years (2003,04 & 05) and going back there in a couple of months.

I'm not sure MNW was the State of Florida's #1 or #2 team last year and I'm not totally sure they were the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. last year either because I think Booker T.Washington would of given them a good game.

This year brings the same tune from me. I think there really might be about five or six teams around the State of Florida better than this MNW bunch and again I'm not convinced their the #1 team in Dade Co. Booker.T Washington would give them everything they want.

SLC.. We dont know how they will stack up come December. I think SLC wins their district without much problem but come playoff time SLC will probably be tested more than once and if they happen to play Katy it could be a barn burner.

But, no doubt it will be a match-up of two top teams from both States. I think it's very safe to say both teams are legit Top #5 at least.

What I want to see against SLC is this supposely great World Class Miami-Dade speed.. I've been to many games in Dade Co. and never was like "Oh my God that is speed like I've never seen before" so I want to see how MNW looks against SLC.

My honest opinion is I think many many Florida people will be in shock when they see that the "Pale Texas kids" can run step for step with MNW.

SLC- 45
MNW- 21

[drgnbkr]

The game will be bragging rights mostly. I've said it before and I'll say it again from growing up in Texas and playing HS ball there to living in Miami-Dade Co. for 3 years (2003,04 & 05) and going back there in a couple of months.

I'm not sure MNW was the State of Florida's #1 or #2 team last year and I'm not totally sure they were the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. last year either because I think Booker T.Washington would of given them a good game.

This year brings the same tune from me. I think there really might be about five or six teams around the State of Florida better than this MNW bunch and again I'm not convinced their the #1 team in Dade Co. Booker.T Washington would give them everything they want.

SLC.. We dont know how they will stack up come December. I think SLC wins their district without much problem but come playoff time SLC will probably be tested more than once and if they happen to play Katy it could be a barn burner.

But, no doubt it will be a match-up of two top teams from both States. I think it's very safe to say both teams are legit Top #5 at least.

What I want to see against SLC is this supposely great World Class Miami-Dade speed.. I've been to many games in Dade Co. and never was like "Oh my God that is speed like I've never seen before" so I want to see how MNW looks against SLC.

My honest opinion is I think many many Florida people will be in shock when they see that the "Pale Texas kids" can run step for step with MNW.

SLC- 45
MNW- 21

The final 06 rankings had Lakeland at #3 and MNW at #5 nationally, for whatever that was worth....the national guys favored Lakeland.

[Texasfrog]

The final 06 rankings had Lakeland at #3 and MNW at #5 nationally, for whatever that was worth....the national guys favored Lakeland.

That's why I said I'm not totally convinced they were #1 or #2 in the State of Florida last year (2006).

I think Lakeland was #1. I think there was about 4 or 5 teams that had a legit claim for #2 in Florida.

I'm not impressed with the Miami-Dade Co. (6A) football. Most of it's on par with HISD inner-city Houston 4A football. Plus, I think last year and even this year Booker T. Washington (Fla 4A) might be the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. when it's really all said and done.

I do think there is some FlA 4A and 3A teams around Tampa, Orlando and Jacksonville that MNW last year and this would be challenged down to the wire.

[DragonDad]

Which team is best that day... and that's all that matters and all that's needed to win championships. It's stringing them together that's the hard part.

[Drake]

Which team is best that day... and that's all that matters and all that's needed to win championships. It's stringing them together that's the hard part.Hey! That seemed like a slight dig at Katy! Which I'm ALL FOR of course! :D

[DrEdward]

While I am convinced from top to bottom, Texas high school ball is the best in the nation, this game only proves which team played better that evening. For only the second or third week in the season, we don't know that MNW is the best team in Florida. For that matter, we can not say for certain that Carroll is the best team in Texas this year (although I do hope that proves to be the case once again.)

[The King]

I cannot wait till the game is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO that we can stop talking about it

No one game determines which state is better than the other. It would take several games over a couple of years, with teams that maybe aren't state ranked playing each other.

[DrEdward]

I cannot wait till the game is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO that we can stop talking about it

No one game determines which state is better than the other. It would take several games over a couple of years, with teams that maybe aren't state ranked playing each other.


A number of us share your feelings about getting this thing over with!!!!!!

[dada]

Coming from a NON-SLC fan(avatar will change Sunday) I'm SICK and TIRED of the Miami Herald and this Rich vs. Poor, Black vs. White, over exaggerating....they can't do ONE article without throwing out $$$$$$ this isnt what it's all about.....I get tired of reading the same thing over and over...SLC and there $15 Million dollar stadium....the practice facility the Cowboys use...etc...etc....if they lose to SLC will the excuse be "If we had the money they had, we would be a great team also"? Is everyone in Miami THAT stupid and Naive????

[Fleeman93]

Hey! That seemed like a slight dig at Katy! Which I'm ALL FOR of course! :D

Just proves how bad the jesuits or Baytown Lee is.

:D :D :D

[charger85]

MNW is bringing their band and many of the players have never been out of the Miami.

Has anybody thought about Texas is going to handle all the defections of the Miami kids that will want to stay in Texas after the game? Kind of like the athletes from the "other" countries that want to stay in the US when their teams play here once they find out the high quality of life.

I admit football facility wise much nicer. Life outside of football it is much better in Miami. (ie beach, night life, fishing, or places to just hang out) So I would not expect many defections.

[Drake]

Just proves how bad the jesuits or Baytown Lee is.

:D :D :DFleeman! At LEAST be objective! If you're going to reason that LEE is bad because they're 0-2, then you have to concede that Strake Jesuit is good because they are 2-0!


But don't jump ship on Lee yet. We have the districts #1 offense and #4 defense, the leading passer, and the 2nd&3rd leading rushers. Admittedly Lee forgot to untether as we sailed, but the ship's not sunk yet! :)

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman! At LEAST be objective! If you're going to reason that LEE is bad because they're 0-2, then you have to concede that Strake Jesuit is good because they are 2-0!


But don't jump ship on Lee yet. We have the districts #1 offense and #4 defense, the leading passer, and the 2nd&3rd leading rushers. Admittedly Lee forgot to untether as we sailed, but the ship's not sunk yet! :)

Just messin' with ya Drake. I expect B Lee to make a run at it, once they find their shoes!

[jbusch]

Coming from a NON-SLC fan(avatar will change Sunday) I'm SICK and TIRED of the Miami Herald and this Rich vs. Poor, Black vs. White, over exaggerating....they can't do ONE article without throwing out $$$$$$ this isnt what it's all about.....I get tired of reading the same thing over and over...SLC and there $15 Million dollar stadium....the practice facility the Cowboys use...etc...etc....if they lose to SLC will the excuse be "If we had the money they had, we would be a great team also"? Is everyone in Miami THAT stupid and Naive????

I think SLC had to "donate" $15 Million of their tax revenue to other schools last year. Socialism at its' best. There are not as many "poor" schools in texas as you think there is, thanks to Robin Hood.

[padcrasher]

"Socialism at its' best."

I have no problem with current system. You may want a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, educational system for our kids in the State, but not me. It's money well spent.

[jrock210]

Great Question Drake!
IMO this game means best in nation, state, and whoever plays best that day. If someone has a bad game and lose by 20 they will still be called crap.

[DragonBand06]

"Socialism at its' best."

I have no problem with current system. You may want a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, educational system for our kids in the State, but not me. It's money well spent.

The only problem I have with robin hood is that to my knowledge there is no policing of how the money is spent. A few years back, there was a robin hood school that used the money to install a revolving stage. A revolving stage! How necessary is that???:eek:

[Humblefied]

I think there is a new SLC MNW thread being created anew everyday. Is that sad or what.

[Football4life]

I say Which State play best football if SLC wins :D

[hollywood]

I think there is a new SLC MNW thread being created anew everyday. Is that sad or what.It is closer to hourly ....

[steeler 01]

That's why I said I'm not totally convinced they were #1 or #2 in the State of Florida last year (2006).

I think Lakeland was #1. I think there was about 4 or 5 teams that had a legit claim for #2 in Florida.

I'm not impressed with the Miami-Dade Co. (6A) football. Most of it's on par with HISD inner-city Houston 4A football. Plus, I think last year and even this year Booker T. Washington (Fla 4A) might be the #1 team in Miami-Dade Co. when it's really all said and done.

I do think there is some FlA 4A and 3A teams around Tampa, Orlando and Jacksonville that MNW last year and this would be challenged down to the wire.

Were you impressed last night?

[yankee]

The only problem I have with robin hood is that to my knowledge there is no policing of how the money is spent. A few years back, there was a robin hood school that used the money to install a revolving stage. A revolving stage! How necessary is that???:eek:

a new football stadium was also built with our money too to go along with the revolving stage.

[hurricanesfan59]

Do u really expect to get a fair response on a Texas message board :rolleyes:

[DragonBand06]

Do u really expect to get a fair response on a Texas message board :rolleyes:
you should