Longview, Rankings, etc (separated from Scores thread)

[myround0]

McElroy hit while passing. Fumble advanced to 4 yard line. Colleyville Heritage scores. SLC answers with a drive to inside the 1 yard line but settles for a FG.

SLC 45
Colleyville Heritage 21

Both McElroy and Newton have over 150 yards rushing each (Luna and Daniel who?)


another team who keeps it's starters in when the game is over...wow playing to the national rankings...fourth quarter 45-21 and your starters still in...what is the point...run up the score...and this makes you how good...Mcgee, Ivory, and freeman from longview played 2 quarters last I heard Longview was up 45-14 with second and third team players playing

[SLCDad]

another team who keeps it's starters in when the game is over...wow playing to the national rankings...fourth quarter 45-21 and your starters still in...what is the point...run up the score...and this makes you how good...Mcgee, Ivory, and freeman from longview played 2 quarters last I heard Longview was up 45-14 with second and third team players playingSelf righteous jerk. Congratulations on your state championship 70 years ago.

[SLCDad]

Colleyville Heritage was trying to score and goes for it on 4th down but is stopped. Two plays later SLC scores.

SLC 52
Colleyville Heritage 21

[myround0]

Self righteous jerk. Congratulations on your state championship 70 years ago.

we are into name calling...i didn't call you any names, just stated a fact...the truth hurts....you're bad,

[Fleeman93]

He has a very good point. Most teams would pull their starters being up by that much. All fun and games until someone gets hurt.

[SLCDad]

we are into name calling...i didn't call you any names, just stated a fact...the truth hurts....you're bad,You telling the truth? No way. You make acusations when you have no idea about what's happening in the game.

[ktchamp97]

Originally Posted by myround0
another team who keeps it's starters in when the game is over...wow playing to the national rankings...fourth quarter 45-21 and your starters still in...what is the point...run up the score...and this makes you how good...Mcgee, Ivory, and freeman from longview played 2 quarters last I heard Longview was up 45-14 with second and third team players playing


Well...it's great that Longview can pull their starters early, but I would say that criticizing how Carroll operates is a bit silly. Playing to the rankings??? They don't need to...they are going to be 52-1 in 5A ball with 2 titles in those three years! I would say their method does make them pretty good, wouldn't you?

we are into name calling...i didn't call you any names, just stated a fact...the truth hurts....you're bad,

He shouldn't have called you jerk, you are correct.

[rich_pack]

Who made the last td for SLC? Was wondering if Newton has atd in this game yet, and what are his stats?

[myround0]

He has a very good point. Most teams would pull their starters being up by that much. All fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Fleeman, this is why Euless and SLC have sure amazing offensive numbers...no one is sayign they aren't good, I am just saying longview's starters have played one entire game all season...that is why our numbers don't match out output, if we played our starters all game over every game we would shut the UIL down...Both Euless and SLC are amazing teams but their numbers are bloated, Nance for Trinity was in the Trinity-Lee game until 3:36 in the fourth quarter...Vondrell Mcgee had 8 carries tonight for 170 yards in the first half and he was done...

[SLCDad]

He has a very good point. Most teams would pull their starters being up by that much. All fun and games until someone gets hurt.The difference here is that SLC plays about 40+ guys. 2nd teamers are in the game in the 1st quarter. I don't think anyone here needs to tell SLC how to run a football program, least of all, a Longview fan. When they learn how to win the big games they can talk.

[FootballJunkie]

Fleeman, this is why Euless and SLC have sure amazing offensive numbers...no one is sayign they aren't good, I am just saying longview's starters have played one entire game all season...that is why our numbers don't match out output, if we played our starters all game over every game we would shut the UIL down...Both Euless and SLC are amazing teams but their numbers are bloated, Nance for Trinity was in the Trinity-Lee game until 3:36 in the fourth quarter...Vondrell Mcgee had 8 carries tonight for 170 yards in the first half and he was done...

That is your opinion..until it occurs it is just speculation. To SLC's credit they have 2 titles. Until Longview wins one it just sounds like sour grapes!! :mad:

[SLCDad]

Fleeman, this is why Euless and SLC have sure amazing offensive numbers...no one is sayign they aren't good, I am just saying longview's starters have played one entire game all season...that is why our numbers don't match out output, if we played our starters all game over every game we would shut the UIL down...Both Euless and SLC are amazing teams but their numbers are bloated, Nance for Trinity was in the Trinity-Lee game until 3:36 in the fourth quarter...Vondrell Mcgee had 8 carries tonight for 170 yards in the first half and he was done...At SLC Morefield and Newton platoon at running back. Newton has gotton more playing time the last couple of games but the patooning continues. McElroy and Dodge platoon at QB with Dodge playing 1/3 of the time. The 4 starting WRs platoon with 4 other guys. The same thing happens for the DBs, offensive line and defensive lines. Perhaps Longview could learn a thing or two about a winning football program.

[Fleeman93]

I hear ya Round. No need to argue though cause you can't be right. Katy played their starters for one series in the third after going up 45-0 at half. Like I said it is all fun and games until someone gets hurt then the coach looks like a huge idiot.

[pack0808]

Fleeman, this is why Euless and SLC have sure amazing offensive numbers...no one is sayign they aren't good, I am just saying longview's starters have played one entire game all season...that is why our numbers don't match out output, if we played our starters all game over every game we would shut the UIL down...Both Euless and SLC are amazing teams but their numbers are bloated, Nance for Trinity was in the Trinity-Lee game until 3:36 in the fourth quarter...Vondrell Mcgee had 8 carries tonight for 170 yards in the first half and he was done...



I have never seen anybody more obsessed with 2nd stringers in my life. I have been watching Lufkin put their 2nd stringers in the 3rd quarter in the vast majority of their games for 4 years and slc still beat Lufkin 33-30 and 37-30 in that time period. I will be honest with you. I like Longview's chances against anybody this year including slc but quit acting like this is so rare?? 2nd stringers come in for great teams in blow outs all of the time. It is part of the game!! SLC is a dominant team and i do not know if i would be talking smack to a team that has beat Lufkin twice in a row who has beaten Longview 9 times in a row?? I seriously think Longview is as good or better then anybody this year but calm down man it is early.

[rich_pack]

Don't you like how SLC dad seems to think he runs the roost, just cause their team has a few championships. He makes it sound like noone else can talk about SLC but him. You guys barely won it last year in the championship game and should have lost to Lufkin, if not for a couple of headsets that they even admitted ti listening in on Lufkin's play calling, but Lufkins coach had enough pride to let it go. I hope Longview or Lufkin meets up with them this year, cause I don't see SLC stopping Longviews offense, and I don't see them scoring over 20 points on Lufkin's Defense. P.S. This is just my opinion, remember, you do not HAVE to respond back to this.

[Fleeman93]

SLC is very deep and it is hard to argue their system. If it works then why change it.

[myround0]

Well...it's great that Longview can pull their starters early, but I would say that criticizing how Carroll operates is a bit silly. Playing to the rankings??? They don't need to...they are going to be 52-1 in 5A ball with 2 titles in those three years! I would say their method does make them pretty good, wouldn't you?



He shouldn't have called you jerk, you are correct.

I was not critizing, Dodge runs his program how he runs his program...I was stating a fact SLC has a 45-14 lead in the fourth and they still have starters in...i stated that fact because you guys read numbers and you list Carroll first and Trinity second, when the facts are they continue to play their starters well past the game being over...and then you people at the ranking sight pedestalize them as if they are offensive juggernauts, when the facts are if Longview left their starters in for the entire game, what would their number look like...it's a fact, I was stating, and the underlining fact is the numbers you people post for Carroll and Trinity are skewed, by running up the score...I could care less how Dodge runs his program, but when you pass them off as beign the best team in the state, i just want everyone to go inside the numbers and see how these teams have accumulated the totals they have, that is all...nothign like an informed American

[pack0808]

Don't you like how SLC dad seems to think he runs the roost, just cause their team has a few championships. He makes it sound like noone else can talk about SLC but him. You guys barely won it last year in the championship game and should have lost to Lufkin, if not for a couple of headsets that they even admitted ti listening in on Lufkin's play calling, but Lufkins coach had enough pride to let it go. I hope Longview or Lufkin meets up with them this year, cause I don't see SLC stopping Longviews offense, and I don't see them scoring over 20 points on Lufkin's Defense. P.S. This is just my opinion, remember, you do not HAVE to respond back to this.


Oh rich i am embarrassed to claim you as a Lufkin fan?? No you did not bring up the bogus headset excuse?? Nauseating!! Although i think SLC dad thinks he is above everybody else in morals it still does not mean you should come up with that sorry excuse again. We lost last year plain and simple!! Close game or not!! I hate excuses sorry. I like Lufkin's defense vs anybody but that is not my concern this year. I am much more concerned with the offense.

[myround0]

That is your opinion..until it occurs it is just speculation. To SLC's credit they have 2 titles. Until Longview wins one it just sounds like sour grapes!! :mad:

win one

1937...Southlake Carroll was a twinkle in Dallas's eye...so don't pop off to your elders sonny until you learn your history

[rich_pack]

pack0808, I will remember that!!! I bet there will be a time in the season, where you will make a a$# out of yourself tooo :) :p

[ktchamp97]

My point is that you're too concerned with these offensive & defensive numbers when the only ones that matter are SLC 2 out of 3 and Longview 0 for the last ??...I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

Believe it or not, we are capable of looking past the raw numbers...that's why we don't like power polls and will never use them to rank teams...the numbers don't tell you everything. We post those stats for fun anyway...they don't factor into our rankings.

[FootballJunkie]

win one

1937...Southlake Carroll was a twinkle in Dallas's eye...so don't pop off to your elders sonny until you learn your history

1937 your grandfather wasn't born so if you win this year then you can say whatevever. Until then you sound really silly!!!

[pack0808]

win one

1937...Southlake Carroll was a twinkle in Dallas's eye...so don't pop off to your elders sonny until you learn your history

LOL is all i can say. :eek: Was anybody in here born then?? I would be pretty embarrassed bragging about a 1937 championship in 2005 i do not know about the rest of you?? I love east texas football but some of my compadres are killing me here.

[myround0]

My point is that you're too concerned with these offensive & defensive numbers when the only ones that matter are SLC 2 out of 3 and Longview 0 for the last ??...I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

Believe it or not, we are capable of looking past the raw numbers...that's why we don't like power polls and will never use them to rank teams...the numbers don't tell you everything. We post those stats for fun anyway...they don't factor into our rankings.

Longview 52

Mes. Horn 14

[Fleeman93]

I don't know what winning a championship has to do with makeing an observation about stats, but ok.

[myround0]

Longview has a national game next Thursday night against Tyler Lee who Euless Trinity beat in the closing seconds of the game ona Nance touchdonw with 3:36 second to go to seal the game 43-14...That Same Tyler Lee team face the lobos this thursday night and after that game I am sure you all will critize me

[pack0808]

pack0808, I will remember that!!! I bet there will be a time in the season, where you will make a a$# out of yourself tooo :) :p


Rich i am sure i will make a bad prediction on a game but i could not come close to hanging with you on making an *** out of myself on sport's related comments compared to you that is for sure. You never cease to amaze me?? Did you just start watching football last year i am just curious. Maybe you were the one that wore the purple panther helmet on the short bus every day with your handy slobber bucket?? It is possible??

[ktchamp97]

Longview has a national game next Thursday night against Tyler Lee who Euless Trinity beat in the closing seconds of the game ona Nance touchdonw with 3:36 second to go to seal the game 43-14...That Same Tyler Lee team face the lobos this thursday night and after that game I am sure you all will critize me

Seriously, I'm not trying to criticize you...I'm just trying to tell you that we know Longview is really, really, really dang good. I'm just saying there's no need to worry so much about who leaves their starters in longer, etc. The playoffs will sort out who's for real and who's not anyway...that's why it doesn't matter. FWIW, 52-14 is just as, if not more, impressive than 59-28. Everyone knows this Longview team is awesome. I would like to see them break through and win one, I really would, because I like to see teams get over that hump because I know exactly what it's like.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Longview has a national game next Thursday night against Tyler Lee who Euless Trinity beat in the closing seconds of the game ona Nance touchdonw with 3:36 second to go to seal the game 43-14...That Same Tyler Lee team face the lobos this thursday night and after that game I am sure you all will critize me

With a 43-14 win there's no such thing as "sealing the game" with 3:36 left in the 4th. The game was sealed at half-time! :D

[pack0808]

Longview has a national game next Thursday night against Tyler Lee who Euless Trinity beat in the closing seconds of the game ona Nance touchdonw with 3:36 second to go to seal the game 43-14...That Same Tyler Lee team face the lobos this thursday night and after that game I am sure you all will critize me


You were being sarcastic i hope?? Tyler Lee is mediocre this year and Longview should destroy them just as bad as Trinity did. That will prove nada!! Your team is great this year but you should learn to simmer down until they make it past the 3rd or 4th round.

[pack0808]

Seriously, I'm not trying to criticize you...I'm just trying to tell you that we know Longview is really, really, really dang good. I'm just saying there's no need to worry so much about who leaves their starters in longer, etc. The playoffs will sort out who's for real and who's not anyway...that's why it doesn't matter. FWIW, 52-14 is just as, if not more, impressive than 59-28. Everyone knows this Longview team is awesome. I would like to see them break through and win one, I really would, because I like to see teams get over that hump because I know exactly what it's like.


BIngo!! I could have not said it better!! easy man it is early!! You are like a Longview fan on meth or something?? ;)

[myround0]

BIngo!! I could have not said it better!! easy man it is early!! You are like a Longview fan on meth or something?? ;)

I am a Longview fan on facts...it is amazing how many here would prefer the truth not be discussed...that is exactly what I am hearing

[SLCDad]

Oh rich i am embarrassed to claim you as a Lufkin fan?? No you did not bring up the bogus headset excuse?? Nauseating!! Although i think SLC dad thinks he is above everybody else in morals it still does not mean you should come up with that sorry excuse again. We lost last year plain and simple!! Close game or not!! I hate excuses sorry. I like Lufkin's defense vs anybody but that is not my concern this year. I am much more concerned with the offense.With the morals comment are you referring to the discussion we all had about teenage sex? As a father of 6 daughters we keep our standards as high as we can. We must! I don't think I'm better than anyone else, but if anyone says that teenage sex is a good thing, or even if pre-marital sex is a good thing, I'll say over and over again that I think we should do better. That's how I feel and I'm not changing!

[wide-e-wide]

Longview no matter what happens...you will always have your scrimmage glory....remember? Celebrate Good Times! And t-shirts...and everybody in the View was content with the world...You OWN Lufkin in scrimmages bro....go on withcha bad ***.

[FootballJunkie]

I am a Longview fan on facts...it is amazing how many here would prefer the truth not be discussed...that is exactly what I am hearing

Fact is you have not won anything and they have. Win and there will be nothing to say until then YOU have nothing to say!!!

[pack0808]

I am a Longview fan on facts...it is amazing how many here would prefer the truth not be discussed...that is exactly what I am hearing

myround you have to be joking right?? The facts are that Longview has not won a championship since the freaking 1930's and you are talking smack to a Katy and SLC fan who's team's have won multiple championships in the last several years way way way way way before 19 freaking 37?? Who is not wanting to discuss the truth again?? Longview has a very legit shot at winning it all this year but you are trippin man?? Say no to hairy butt crack ASAP! ;)

[Kingwolf]

ok, my turn......

first, i think that he was talking about pulling starters early b/c to be honest with you, Longview has never had an offense that could score like this......EVER......so we just are not used to it.....

As far as Tyler Lee goes, without Hill at QB, this one is over at the half.....

As far as talking about the 1937 title, I looked at that trophy and the 97 runner-up tonight, and you know what, I WANT A NEW ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

0808, you are right, he needs to be quiet until we get passed the third or fourth round....the only way LV will get any respect is if they don't choke this year....and we will have to beat an undefeated Lufkin and SLC, i believe, to get any kinda respect...and probably have to beat them both soundly as well as Katy or SV in the finals......

If we go Div I and beat Trinity and GPN or Westfield, i know we wont get any respect.....our fans need to hush and let this team do its talking on the field....

thurs night on FSN means squat....if we don't do it in the playoffs, what good is it???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

and SLCdad, just remeber, Midland Lee had a run close to yours, and now what???? it won't last forever.............. :eek:

[pack0808]

ok, my turn......

first, i think that he was talking about pulling starters early b/c to be honest with you, Longview has never had an offense that could score like this......EVER......so we just are not used to it.....

As far as Tyler Lee goes, without Hill at QB, this one is over at the half.....

As far as talking about the 1937 title, I looked at that trophy and the 97 runner-up tonight, and you know what, I WANT A NEW ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

0808, you are right, he needs to be quiet until we get passed the third or fourth round....the only way LV will get any respect is if they don't choke this year....and we will have to beat an undefeated Lufkin and SLC, i believe, to get any kinda respect...and probably have to beat them both soundly as well as Katy or SV in the finals......

If we go Div I and beat Trinity and GPN or Westfield, i know we wont get any respect.....our fans need to hush and let this team do its talking on the field....

thurs night on FSN means squat....if we don't do it in the playoffs, what good is it???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

and SLCdad, just remeber, Midland Lee had a run close to yours, and now what???? it won't last forever.............. :eek:



Wow!!! This a very smart and witty football fan!! How on earth did i ever get into a conflict with him in a thread?? Scratch that i am a hard headed smart a and i have had am argument with about everybody. LOL Seriously though, this guy makes great points and seems to be a very knowledgeable Longview fan like my boy bleedgreen. I hope you stick around wolf!!

[baylordad]

ok, my turn......

first, i think that he was talking about pulling starters early b/c to be honest with you, Longview has never had an offense that could score like this......EVER......so we just are not used to it.....

As far as Tyler Lee goes, without Hill at QB, this one is over at the half.....

As far as talking about the 1937 title, I looked at that trophy and the 97 runner-up tonight, and you know what, I WANT A NEW ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

0808, you are right, he needs to be quiet until we get passed the third or fourth round....the only way LV will get any respect is if they don't choke this year....and we will have to beat an undefeated Lufkin and SLC, i believe, to get any kinda respect...and probably have to beat them both soundly as well as Katy or SV in the finals......

If we go Div I and beat Trinity and GPN or Westfield, i know we wont get any respect.....our fans need to hush and let this team do its talking on the field....

thurs night on FSN means squat....if we don't do it in the playoffs, what good is it???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

and SLCdad, just remeber, Midland Lee had a run close to yours, and now what???? it won't last forever.............. :eek:

Well Put!! Maybe some of this jawing will stop.

[drgnbkr]

Don't you like how SLC dad seems to think he runs the roost, just cause their team has a few championships. He makes it sound like noone else can talk about SLC but him. You guys barely won it last year in the championship game and should have lost to Lufkin, if not for a couple of headsets that they even admitted ti listening in on Lufkin's play calling, but Lufkins coach had enough pride to let it go. I hope Longview or Lufkin meets up with them this year, cause I don't see SLC stopping Longviews offense, and I don't see them scoring over 20 points on Lufkin's Defense. P.S. This is just my opinion, remember, you do not HAVE to respond back to this.

Woulda's should's & coulda's ..if your aunt had B_____s she'd be your uncle..get a grip...

[DragonFan]

I saw the SLC/CHHS game. The starters were gone by mid 3rd. Newton was sitting with morefield in the game and McElroy was sitting with Dodge in the game. SLC still scored points. Over 600 yards in offense. The stats are what they are. If you want to talk about stats, then most of the CHHS yards were with the game well in hand and the intensity level down. Heck even CHHS pulled Ponder in the 4th because he was getting a physical beating.

Longview will gets its respect when it earns it. They seem to have a very good team this year and should do well in the playoffs. You do not help your cause when you make claims against other teams when you have not done it yourself. The SLC team was the same way back in 2002 when we first came into 5A. They were not taken seriously but now they have not looked back or skipped a beat (we will have to overlook that 1 point loss :rolleyes: ). Let the rest of Texas see Longview as it advances through the playoffs. Stats mean nothing unless it is something like 52-1 and 2 of 3 state Championships in 3 years.

I know how you feel. It is hard to get noticed when compared to other teams that have been there and are still doing it. Believe me, everyone is watching Longview to see if they can pull it off.

Good luck!

[wide-e-wide]

Woulda's should's & coulda's ..if your aunt had B_____s she'd be your uncle..get a grip...

finally somebody with stones says it...
drgnbkr.....
finally one of my shipmates stands up...and says ENOUGH....
just thought I would say that....
Hoo-rah
and carry on,...

[drgnbkr]

finally somebody with stones says it...
drgnbkr.....
finally one of my shipmates stands up...and says ENOUGH....
just thought I would say that....
Hoo-rah
and carry on,...

Haze Gray & underway.... :cool:

[drgnbkr]

I saw the SLC/CHHS game. The starters were gone by mid 3rd. Newton was sitting with morefield in the game and McElroy was sitting with Dodge in the game. SLC still scored points. Over 600 yards in offense. The stats are what they are. If you want to talk about stats, then most of the CHHS yards were with the game well in hand and the intensity level down. Heck even CHHS pulled Ponder in the 4th because he was getting a physical beating.

Longview will gets its respect when it earns it. They seem to have a very good team this year and should do well in the playoffs. You do not help your cause when you make claims against other teams when you have not done it yourself. The SLC team was the same way back in 2002 when we first came into 5A. They were not taken seriously but now they have not looked back or skipped a beat (we will have to overlook that 1 point loss :rolleyes: ). Let the rest of Texas see Longview as it advances through the playoffs. Stats mean nothing unless it is something like 52-1 and 2 of 3 state Championships in 3 years.

I know how you feel. It is hard to get noticed when compared to other teams that have been there and are still doing it. Believe me, everyone is watching Longview to see if they can pull it off.

Good luck!

They've still got to figure out how to get through Lufkin somehow...

[chap fan]

I trust with three losses, Tyler Lee will finally no longer make this site's top 25?

[myround0]

I can not beleive the administrator is telling me I am to wrapped up in numbers...what do you use to rank your teams KTCHAMP...Numbers, I am sure...Look it was not a critism, it was not a beat up SLC line it was a fact, it was the same as what I stated about Euless Trinity...super inflated bloated stats that make a team look really good...as for winning a title...Lufkin people talk noise like they have always been champs...well news flash we had been to the big dance twice before you ever went to your first title game in 2001, so you really have no need to speak to me until you get back, in fact you trailed in the game with westlake, so it is not like you are really dominate, Lufkin just got some hardware and they sound off like they are pencilled into the title game every year...and many would say to Lufkin, had we had just one champion like it was when Longview won it's title, you might not have any hardware, so don't come at me like you belong, because you don't...your little nine game win streak over us just gave you a one game lead in our over fifty year battle. all that says is we use to bury you and had you under our wing for the longest...ok, i admit we made a mistake and gave you a one game lead, you best hope we go division 1, because if we don't, trust me we will beat Lufkin if we don't beat anyone else...SLC you and Euless, you pile up your stats and it looks as if you have pounded enough knots on Lufkins head they are scared of you, but, call us crazy because we don't know any better, you are going to have to show us...I just hope we can go D.2 and settle this on the field...and the icing on the cake would be to have Katy from the Houston area...that would be Christmas come early...

[FootballJunkie]

I can not beleive the administrator is telling me I am to wrapped up in numbers...what do you use to rank your teams KTCHAMP...Numbers, I am sure...Look it was not a critism, it was not a beat up SLC line it was a fact, it was the same as what I stated about Euless Trinity...super inflated bloated stats that make a team look really good...as for winning a title...Lufkin people talk noise like they have always been champs...well news flash we had been to the big dance twice before you ever went to your first title game in 2001, so you really have no need to speak to me until you get back, in fact you trailed in the game with westlake, so it is not like you are really dominate, Lufkin just got some hardware and they sound off like they are pencilled into the title game every year...and many would say to Lufkin, had we had just one champion like it was when Longview won it's title, you might not have any hardware, so don't come at me like you belong, because you don't...your little nine game win streak over us just gave you a one game lead in our over fifty year battle. all that says is we use to bury you and had you under our wing for the longest...ok, i admit we made a mistake and gave you a one game lead, you best hope we go division 1, because if we don't, trust me we will beat Lufkin if we don't beat anyone else...SLC you and Euless, you pile up your stats and it looks as if you have pounded enough knots on Lufkins head they are scared of you, but, call us crazy because we don't know any better, you are going to have to show us...I just hope we can go D.2 and settle this on the field...and the icing on the cake would be to have Katy from the Houston area...that would be Christmas come early...


DUDE...bottom line is SLC has won and you have not. Stats are good but the game is played on the field. Once you WIN then that will speak for itself. Now does anyone have any of the scores from the Saturday games since this is the score section!!!!

[myround0]

DUDE...bottom line is SLC has won and you have not. Stats are good but the game is played on the field. Once you WIN then that will speak for itself. Now does anyone have any of the scores from the Saturday games since this is the score section!!!!

yes we have (won one) and we went in 97 when was the last time your home town went...i thought not...

[FootballJunkie]

yes we have (won one) and we went in 97 when was the last time your home town went...i thought not...


Point is you are cyring about stats and polls when the championship will be settled on the field if they are as good as you say then we will see in December.

[myround0]

Point is you are cyring about stats and polls when the championship will be settled on the field if they are as good as you say then we will see in December.

pick a topic and stick to it...you first said Carroll had won so have we...now you move on to points..we score point, with our second team as well...I could care lees how Carroll scores, I don't care if they play their starters everydown...I just what the people who do the rankings to use that in factering the top ranked teams that is all...yes their numbers look good, but they are doing it over teams they have beaten in two quarters yet they continue to run up the score...Some people really think I care what Carroll does, and other think i am critizing them, all i am doing is making peopls aware of the facts...Stop trying to hush the facts...No doubt Carroll is a great team with great coaches, but the facts are the facts

[FootballJunkie]

pick a topic and stick to it...you first said Carroll had won so have we...now you move on to points..we score point, with our second team as well...I could care lees how Carroll scores, I don't care if they play their starters everydown...I just what the people who do the rankings to use that in factering the top ranked teams that is all...yes their numbers look good, but they are doing it over teams they have beaten in two quarters yet they continue to run up the score...Some people really think I care what Carroll does, and other think i am critizing them, all i am doing is making peopls aware of the facts...Stop trying to hush the facts...No doubt Carroll is a great team with great coaches, but the facts are the facts

OK since you dont understand how it work lets try it this way polls mean nothing. There is a playoff system in Texas so you have to win the championship on the field. If you are first in stats or last you still have to win it on the field. You are talking about something that in the end does not mean a darn thing. My topic is still the same they won 2 of the last three and you have not so beat who you have to on the field. Quoting stats won't win you a title neither will worrying about were you are in the polls in October only where you finish in December.

[myround0]

OK since you dont understand how it work lets try it this way polls mean nothing. There is a playoff system in Texas so you have to win the championship on the field. If you are first in stats or last you still have to win it on the field. You are talking about something that in the end does not mean a darn thing. My topic is still the same they won 2 of the last three and you have not so beat who you have to on the field. Quoting stats won't win you a title neither will worrying about were you are in the polls in October only where you finish in December.

you said we hadn't won and that would be inaccurate...you also said point is what i was crying about and that to was wrong...so you are batting 0 for 2...my whole premise is to inform...i just wonder why so many take the information i have printed and twist it as if I am critical of carroll or as if I care what Carroll is doing, there are no rules against what they are doing, so why are you people at me posting the facts...I don't understand the wanted poster attitude for a guy telling the truth...

[FootballJunkie]

you said we hadn't won and that would be inaccurate...you also said point is what i was crying about and that to was wrong...so you are batting 0 for 2...my whole premise is to inform...i just wonder why so many take the information i have printed and twist it as if I am critical of carroll or as if I care what Carroll is doing, there are no rules against what they are doing, so why are you people at me posting the facts...I don't understand the wanted poster attitude for a guy telling the truth...

No you have not won since whenever and yes you are crying because your team is not ranked where you think they should be eventhough it does not matter :confused: so I am 2 and 0 my friend. I would like some scores for Saturday games. Does anyone have any???

[drgnbkr]

No you have not won since whenever and yes you are crying because your team is not ranked where you think they should be eventhough it does not matter :confused: so I am 2 and 0 my friend. I would like some scores for Saturday games. Does anyone have any???

He's just frustrated because, like most teams, they can't beat Lufkin....maybe they'll break out this year..but my guess is it won't be soon enough for myround...

[Lobo Dude]

I love the way KT acts like the mother and everyone is his kids... thats why i dont post alot is bc unless i am 100% sure i'm right i'm not gonna post it... i guess i just dont like being wrong though haha

[myround0]

He's just frustrated because, like most teams, they can't beat Lufkin....maybe they'll break out this year..but my guess is it won't be soon enough for myround...


you people and the amazing thing Lufkin has done baffles me...Lufkin has beaten Longview 9 times in a row...and you look at the overall record you find Lufkin is 31-and 30 and 1 against Longview...in a series that has one game between them it is hard to say they own us...now you would think if they had won 9 in a row the overall series would be in their favor in a landslide...but the real story reveals one game one game in Lufkin's favor...wow they won the last nine and it puts them up one, the question is who owns who...i understand Lufkin climbing to the tippy top of the highest peak and screaming at the top of their Lungs, we are Free of the Lobos rule that has dominated us for the longest...I understand you guys pain...9 straight wins over a remarkable program like longview and no one else in the state can claim that, but when your nine wins translate into a one game lead i wouldn't tell anyone , because even the dumbest person would say if you won nine straight and you are only up by one, that must mean longview at one point held an eight game domination on you and it wasn't that long ago...

[FootballJunkie]

you people and the amazing thing Lufkin has done baffles me...Lufkin has beaten Longview 9 times in a row...and you look at the overall record you find Lufkin is 31-and 30 and 1 against Longview...in a series that has one game between them it is hard to say they own us...now you would think if they had won 9 in a row the overall series would be in their favor in a landslide...but the real story reveals one game one game in Lufkin's favor...wow they won the last nine and it puts them up one, the question is who owns who...i understand Lufkin climbing to the tippy top of the highest peak and screaming at the top of their Lungs, we are Free of the Lobos rule that has dominated us for the longest...I understand you guys pain...9 straight wins over a remarkable program like longview and no one else in the state can claim that, but when your nine wins translate into a one game lead i wouldn't tell anyone , because even the dumbest person would say if you won nine straight and you are only up by one, that must mean longview at one point held an eight game domination on you and it wasn't that long ago...

9 years in a row is an eternity...Win this year and stop crying man.

[myround0]

9 years in a row is an eternity...Win this year and stop crying man.

you are the one snot bubbling, need a kleenex...i am stating facts...everytime i post a facts you come sniffling, snot bubbling saying anything you can think of...no facts just spewing what ever comes out..

[SLCDad]

I can not beleive the administrator is telling me I am to wrapped up in numbers...what do you use to rank your teams KTCHAMP...Numbers, I am sure...Look it was not a critism, it was not a beat up SLC line it was a fact, it was the same as what I stated about Euless Trinity...super inflated bloated stats that make a team look really good...as for winning a title...Lufkin people talk noise like they have always been champs...well news flash we had been to the big dance twice before you ever went to your first title game in 2001, so you really have no need to speak to me until you get back, in fact you trailed in the game with westlake, so it is not like you are really dominate, Lufkin just got some hardware and they sound off like they are pencilled into the title game every year...and many would say to Lufkin, had we had just one champion like it was when Longview won it's title, you might not have any hardware, so don't come at me like you belong, because you don't...your little nine game win streak over us just gave you a one game lead in our over fifty year battle. all that says is we use to bury you and had you under our wing for the longest...ok, i admit we made a mistake and gave you a one game lead, you best hope we go division 1, because if we don't, trust me we will beat Lufkin if we don't beat anyone else...SLC you and Euless, you pile up your stats and it looks as if you have pounded enough knots on Lufkins head they are scared of you, but, call us crazy because we don't know any better, you are going to have to show us...I just hope we can go D.2 and settle this on the field...and the icing on the cake would be to have Katy from the Houston area...that would be Christmas come early...I'd suggest you get off this rant of yours. Let it go. LV has a good team this year but they still have a long way to go.

I wouldn't criticize a team that has won more games than ANYBODY in Texas over the last 20 years.

[Lobo9498]

9 years in a row is an eternity...Win this year and stop crying man.

They have not beat us 9 years in a row.....if you'll remember, or maybe you don't, we played in a round-robin district with Lufkin, Lee, JT, and the Lobos for two years. 5 of those wins came from those 2 years.....4 in district and one in the playoffs. So, it has NOT been 9 years in a row. They have not owned us as much as everyone thinks. Both teams have played extremely well in each game, Lufkin has just come out on top the last 9 meetings, that's it. If you don't win on the scoreboard, nobody much cares WHAT you did in the game.

Last year at SFA Vondrell ran all over their defense. The Lobos just fumbled too many times and they couldn't stop Lufkin on the final drive to win it. It was one helluva game, probably one of the best I've ever seen. Lufkin fans keep bringing up the 9 wins in a row...so what? Your team is good, you don't have to tell the Lobo fans that. The Lobo fans have a LOT of respect for Lufkin's fans, team, and the band. Lufkin and Longview are a lot a like. Yes, Lufkin has won a title recently, but I think Longview has a good shot this year. We will see what happens on the feild.


Last win was in 1998. Here are the scores from then on. The games were a bit closer than what the score might suggest in some of these.

1998
Lufkin Win 24-21 OT

1999
Lufkin LOSS 17-7

2000
Lufkin Loss 30-22

2001
Lufkin LOSS 21-7

2002
Lufkin* Home LOSS 23-12
Lufkin* Away LOSS 29-20
REGION FINALS: Lufkin LOSS 24-21

2003
Lufkin* Away LOSS 35-21
Lufkin* Home LOSS 14-0

2004
REGION SEMIFINALS: Lufkin LOSS 31-21 (SFA's Homer Bryce Stadium)

It's been more like 6 years....NOT 9. Might want to get your facts straight.

[lonny23]

I'm really enjoying this thread. Can you guys keep it going? I like seeing everybody else argue with each other. :D

[DragonFan]

Hey lonnie, you want to get into this thread.

"Judson seemes to have passed the tourch of San Antonio football to Smithson Valley!" SV has been in the State Championship game 2 of the last 3 years. They have not won one yet but they are playing the best out of the teams from San Antonio.

Just messing with you Lonnie. Stay safe and continue to post! :)

[dragonsdaddy]

when did the state go to the 4-3-2-1a and b system? i think lviews state title precedes that. did they win the city or the country title? did anyone on either team have a helmet that wouldn't fit in their back pocket? how many minorities were on the l-view team? how many people posting have ever talked to anyone who even attended the game? having the trophy is great, but it doesn't carry much weight anymore with many of the lobos on the field.

myround, you are quoting facts based on what you read in the dmn sat morning. did you happen to see the reserve qb throw a td in the first qt? did l-view pull their starters that early? our starting qb was involved in 18 passes and about 35 running plays, which isnt a whole lot of work, esp for a first year starter. good luck getting to the annual loss in round 4.

[DragonFan]

An interesting stat that I heard on the radio at the game of Friday. In 5 games the Dragons have had over 10 TD on drives that lasted a minute or less! That is over 70 points in less than 10 minutes. The starters from SLC make it happen and make it happen quick. However, at least 2 of those drives were engeneered by the 2nd string QB.

[Lobo Dude]

when did the state go to the 4-3-2-1a and b system? i think lviews state title precedes that. did they win the city or the country title? did anyone on either team have a helmet that wouldn't fit in their back pocket? how many minorities were on the l-view team? how many people posting have ever talked to anyone who even attended the game? having the trophy is great, but it doesn't carry much weight anymore with many of the lobos on the field.

myround, you are quoting facts based on what you read in the dmn sat morning. did you happen to see the reserve qb throw a td in the first qt? did l-view pull their starters that early? our starting qb was involved in 18 passes and about 35 running plays, which isnt a whole lot of work, esp for a first year starter. good luck getting to the annual loss in round 4.


i just wanted to say my grandfather played for htat team... and so did all his friends so i've accomplised one of those things haha

[stinger]

And, as usual, my round0 ( I emphasize 0) spouts off about Trinity. Nance ran 18 times...a far cry from the whole game. How can you call all these games from Wichita Falls? Even if Trinity fails to get to the end in December, they will still have more class than MYROUND0. You immaturity and lack of class show every time you post.

[drgnbkr]

I googled inferiority complex & got "myround"..... :D

[c-lisle]

another team who keeps it's starters in when the game is over...wow playing to the national rankings...fourth quarter 45-21 and your starters still in...what is the point...run up the score...and this makes you how good...Mcgee, Ivory, and freeman from longview played 2 quarters last I heard Longview was up 45-14 with second and third team players playing

I don't exactly agree with the purpose of this post but I do think it is true. Mcgee had 244 yds on 12 carries and just played two quarters. Can you imagine if he had played the whole game?....wow. Carrol does have outrageous offensive numbers and maybe this is why.

[dragonsdaddy]

our offensive numbers include one wr in the top 30 in the area(#4 jacobsen). our leading rusher is about #20 in the area. does that sound like they have left the stars in to pump up stats to you? our offensive totals lead the area and prolly the state however. maybe our backups are pretty good too, huh.

[drgnbkr]

I don't exactly agree with the purpose of this post but I do think it is true. Mcgee had 244 yds on 12 carries and just played two quarters. Can you imagine if he had played the whole game?....wow. Carrol does have outrageous offensive numbers and maybe this is why.

This is getting old..if you were to see a Carroll game, you would see Coach Dodge rotating players from beginning to end..it's one of the deepest Carroll teams I've seen in 13 years...are the starters still in at the end? Most of the skill players are taking it easy...so no is your answer, but again, as opposed to myround just winging it...you'd actually have to see a game...

[FootballJunkie]

They have not beat us 9 years in a row.....if you'll remember, or maybe you don't, we played in a round-robin district with Lufkin, Lee, JT, and the Lobos for two years. 5 of those wins came from those 2 years.....4 in district and one in the playoffs. So, it has NOT been 9 years in a row. They have not owned us as much as everyone thinks. Both teams have played extremely well in each game, Lufkin has just come out on top the last 9 meetings, that's it. If you don't win on the scoreboard, nobody much cares WHAT you did in the game.

Last year at SFA Vondrell ran all over their defense. The Lobos just fumbled too many times and they couldn't stop Lufkin on the final drive to win it. It was one helluva game, probably one of the best I've ever seen. Lufkin fans keep bringing up the 9 wins in a row...so what? Your team is good, you don't have to tell the Lobo fans that. The Lobo fans have a LOT of respect for Lufkin's fans, team, and the band. Lufkin and Longview are a lot a like. Yes, Lufkin has won a title recently, but I think Longview has a good shot this year. We will see what happens on the feild.


Last win was in 1998. Here are the scores from then on. The games were a bit closer than what the score might suggest in some of these.

1998
Lufkin Win 24-21 OT

1999
Lufkin LOSS 17-7

2000
Lufkin Loss 30-22

2001
Lufkin LOSS 21-7

2002
Lufkin* Home LOSS 23-12
Lufkin* Away LOSS 29-20
REGION FINALS: Lufkin LOSS 24-21

2003
Lufkin* Away LOSS 35-21
Lufkin* Home LOSS 14-0

2004
REGION SEMIFINALS: Lufkin LOSS 31-21 (SFA's Homer Bryce Stadium)

It's been more like 6 years....NOT 9. Might want to get your facts straight.

6 years 9 years either way its been a long time try to get over that hump first :p

[dragons08]

This is getting old..if you were to see a Carroll game, you would see Coach Dodge rotating players from beginning to end..it's one of the deepest Carroll teams I've seen in 13 years...are the starters still in at the end? Most of the skill players are taking it easy...so no is your answer, but again, as opposed to myround just winging it...you'd actually have to see a game...
exactly, they rotate so much its insane, now if they left the starters in the whole time......WOW, and for people who think we run up the score, you cant just tlel the 2nd string not to score, if your first string cant stop our 2nd string, theres nothing we can do about that

[pack0808]

I have just come to grips that some of these Longview fans are wacked out and obsessed!! :eek: I do not bother responding to the nonsense anymore because it is so so so played out. Been there done that a million times. I will worry about Longview if Lufkin meets them again this year. Longview could easily win the title this year but please shhhhh with the inferiority complex you have no idea how silly it makes some of you look. Going after Katy and SLC now?? LOL Oh well i am really not surprised to tell you the truth. :rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

where's bleed to add a voice of reason to it all?

[TRsnare07]

haha damn where did you get the whole luf. bio anyway my lord hahah thats crazy :eek:

[pack0808]

haha damn where did you get the whole luf. bio anyway my lord hahah thats crazy :eek:


What??

[PackAttack2005]

Pack08, he is talking about Lobo9498. I just don't respond to anything about Longview anymore, but I had to on this one. The road to the championship is a long and treacherous one. I only concern myself about Lufkin and who we play next, that is it. I don't think one Lufkin, SLC or Katy fan has come on this site this year proclaiming to win state in 2005 as much as the Lobo fans have done.

If Lufkin is good enough this year to go deep in the playoffs and perhaps meet the Lobos again, then I am sure it will be another great game to watch.
If the Lobos should win, so be it because that happens in football and it won't be the end of the world for us Lufkin fans either. That is because we are not obsessed or have the inferiority complex as some of the Lobo fans have been exhibiting here. The difference between our teams this year is Lufkin is young and although we are talented, we are not really expected by most to pose a serious threat for the championship this year. On the other hand, Longview is loaded with senior experience and ARE expected to compete for the title this year along with Southlake, Katy and Smithson Valley.

If Longview fails to get to the title game this year it will be considered as a huge disappointment considering all the experienced talent they have on hand, another failed opportunity to get the monkey off their back.

Don't get me wrong here, Lufkin also has the asperations to win it all, but are just not considered as serious a contender as are the Longview Lobos this year.

So, the Lobo fans need to drop this statistic nonsense and play out the season and just see where all the chips fall for everyone. That is how this whole issue will be solved.

[loboman]

This post could go one forever. What most people are saying is correct. We as lobo fans must win one to get the respect we think we deserve. We have a VERY good team this year, but it wont mean anything if we dont win a title this year. Lets give credit where credit is due. SLC has won titles. Lufkin has won a title. To all lobo fans posting dont make sound like a bunch of arragant ***holes.

[myround0]

I don't exactly agree with the purpose of this post but I do think it is true. Mcgee had 244 yds on 12 carries and just played two quarters. Can you imagine if he had played the whole game?....wow. Carrol does have outrageous offensive numbers and maybe this is why.

Rclisle41...we share a common goal...however, i will say this to you, the post served one purpose, and that was to inform...people from the Dallas area took offense and went on the defensivse, because they know what i am saying is true... and it cuts right into how good those teams really are...Dallas writers know it, and the dallas community knows it, this is why you see the knifers coming out trying to cut me down...no need for that since all i am posting are the facts...nance was in the game against Tyler Lee in the closing moments and those people are getting upset because my truth telling posts cuts a hole into just how good he is...now, their purpose is to try to gang up and discredit me...whatever...i am an Air Force man, dealt with people like these on a much larger scale, my name and credibility will stand up to any man to include the past two presidents so they don't frighten me...because I am from a small tiown they think i scare easily...remember i have slept in the Kuwaiti sands for over three months and also spent one year in Korea, also, many night in England including the night we bombed Libya...they don't scare me...I know what i state and I state facts...if you take umbrage with that then talk to the coach of these teams and make a liar out of me...Rclisle...I hope you don't feel as if you have been slighted

[pack0808]

myround you make yourself a very easy target to knife down!! Are you delusional for real?? Why do i have a feeling that you are a Longview fan from Rusk??

[LPFAN]

Rclisle41...we share a common goal...however, i will say this to you, the post served one purpose, and that was to inform...people from the Dallas area took offense and went on the defensivse, because they know what i am saying is true... and it cuts right into how good those teams really are...Dallas writers know it, and the dallas community knows it, this is why you see the knifers coming out trying to cut me down...no need for that since all i am posting are the facts...nance was in the game against Tyler Lee in the closing moments and those people are getting upset because my truth telling posts cuts a hole into just how good he is...now, their purpose is to try to gang up and discredit me...whatever...i am an Air Force man, dealt with people like these on a much larger scale, my name and credibility will stand up to any man to include the past two presidents so they don't frighten me...because I am from a small tiown they think i scare easily...remember i have slept in the Kuwaiti sands for over three months and also spent one year in Korea, also, many night in England including the night we bombed Libya...they don't scare me...I know what i state and I state facts...if you take umbrage with that then talk to the coach of these teams and make a liar out of me...Rclisle...I hope you don't feel as if you have been slighted
Please don't act like your military history makes you a tough guy. There are many in here that have slept in the Kuwaiti, Saudi, and Iraqi deserts during war and have also been to other foreign lands during peace and war. Most do not try to use their military background as a way to sound "tougher" then the non military people on this board. I know I don't. Do you think you are the only one who has or would have stood up to 2 presidents? (Whether it is your name, credibility or actually standing up to the Prez)If given the opportunity I am sure a lot of civilians and military personel would do the same if they were in a position to and if it was necessary. Big deal. That does not make someone any more of a man because you can stand up to the President or anybody else. :rolleyes:

[KT2000]

I've read this entire thread, and I still don't know what myround0 is so pissed about.

You keep saying you have a bunch of facts that no one wants to hear, and I'd love to see you post these. It would be a heck of a lot more productive than reading all of the "I'm a bigger man than you" talk. If I remember right, you are a Longview fan? I don't know why the Dragons' style of play would draw such a rise from a Lobo but here's my opinion anyway...

Here is my take on SLC and their huge offensive numbers...they're good, really freakin' good.

They run a very disciplined system on offense that few can defend because they put more people than you can defend in position to make plays. The Dragons make big plays much of the time, and score quickly so you can pile up the yards in a hurry especially when you have a defense that can get the ball right back so you can do it again.

As the SLC fans have mentioned, they sub in many players during the course of a game to keep fresh legs in. Todd Dodge does not stop running his system even with a big lead because once the game is in hand it becomes a valuable practice session for players who don't necessarily start. Dodge and the SLC program intend to play 16 games every year, and have accomplished that goal in each of their 5A seasons so far.

It's not Coach Dodge or the players' fault if the other team can stop them even when the back-ups are getting valuable reps. They aren't going to stop executing their system. Of course, there are more extreme examples of running the score up like calling a time out with 5 seconds left to throw a pass into the endzone or running a one or two minute drill in the last minutes to break 70, but I haven't known Carroll to do things like that.

Otherwise, Don't get mad...stop them. That's what I say anyway. I just don't see how a team can be critisized for continuing to play and try to score despite what's on the board. They are creating a 48-minute attitude within their team. Dodge and his staff are a forward thinking bunch, to say the least, and they want their entire team conditioned to go the distance in any given game because that's what it will take to get them where they want to go in the playoffs.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I've read this entire thread, and I still don't know what myround0 is so pissed about.

You keep saying you have a bunch of facts that no one wants to hear, and I'd love to see you post these. It would be a heck of a lot more productive than reading all of the "I'm a bigger man than you" talk.

Here is my take on SLC and their huge offensive numbers...they're good, really freakin' good.

They run a very disciplined system on offense that few can defend because they put more people than you can defend in position to make plays. The Dragons make big plays much of the time, and score quickly so you can pile up the yards in a hurry especially when you have a defense that can get the ball right back so you can do it again.

As the SLC fans have mentioned, they sub in many players during the course of a game to keep fresh legs in. Todd Dodge does not stop running his system even with a big lead because once the game is in hand it becomes a valuable practice session for players who don't necessarily start. Dodge and the SLC program intend to play 16 games every year, and have accomplished that goal in each of their 5A seasons so far.

It's not Coach Dodge or the players' fault if the other team can stop them even when the back-ups are getting valuable reps. They aren't going to stop executing their system.

Don't get mad...stop them. That's what I say anyway. I just don't see how a team can be critisized for continuing to play and try to score despite what's on the board. They are creating a 48-minute attitude within their team. Dodge and his staff are a forward thinking bunch, to say the least, and they want their entire team conditioned to go the distance in any given game because that's what it will take to get them where they want to go in the playoffs.

I agree..I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone's excuse as to why SLC is #1. Soft schedule, home field advantage, sterriods, etc...hahahaha!!! Give me a break!! If they're nothing then your team should beat them.

It's simple, really!!

[pack0808]

I agree..I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone's excuse as to why SLC is #1. Soft schedule, home field advantage, sterriods, etc...hahahaha!!! Give me a break!! If they're nothing then your team should beat them.

It's simple, really!!



You do not have to convince me!! I have seen them twice and nobody beats Lufkin twice in a row these days. They are the real deal!! They are that good and yes Lufkin was tied with them 30-30 under 2 minutes in both games and had a very good chance to win both, but if your team has played Lufkin lately and SLC has beaten the pack twice in the last 3 years there should be no question in your mind on how good they are?? Do i think they are the best this year no!!, but i think they are top 3!! They might prove me wrong and i would not be surprised to tell you the truth.

[lvref22]

I just want to say that 99.9% of all longview fans have the utmost resect for lufkin and southlake. I guess myround wants slc to start kneeling the ball in the third quarter and not try to score. I can tell you that longview has played the second team alot this year which is a change but Coach King is still trying to score. He (like SLC) is not saying dont run up the score. How can anyone tell a team to go let up and not score. Thats just ludicris. You go out there and give it all you have for four quarters. You dont quit because you have a forty point lead. Play calling might change but you still dont want to give up trying to score. Hopefully we will get our chance against LP and SLC this year. Good luck to both you guys this weekend.

[Lobo9498]

First off, I want to say that I do have a lot of respect for Lufkin, SLC, and all of the other teams in Texas 5A. I have not seen SLC play, except for the game on TV against Denton Ryan. I have seen Lufkin play quite a bit, since they were in our old district. I think Longview and Lufkin match up pretty good usually. Just, they've had our number the last few years. That's fine with me, whatever. The past is the past. They have had some outstanding teams. This year? Who knows, we'll worry about that when we get there, IF we get there. Right now, all I care about is Tyler Lee on Thursday night.

As for where I got the information for those score? www.etsupersite.com They have the records for the Lobos dating back to 1909. They also have records for many of the other old 11/12-5A teams, and 17-4A teams. It's interesting to go back and look at who the teams played, and what the scores were. I was just posting those scores so that everyone could see when we played Lufkin. You're right, whether it was 6 or 9 years, it doesn't matter Lufkin has just played better than Longview to win the games.

Guess we'll just see how this year plays out. I am in no way saying we'll meet Lufkin, or SLC this year. We have to worry about Lee this week, and that's all that concerns me. If none of you had ever heard of Longview, that'd be fine with me. I like playing the underdog. It shocks you more when they come out on top. We'll see how the season plays out for all of the teams mentioned here.

Honor, Loyalty, Character, and Pride...these Lobo traits will be my guide.

[KT2000]

Longview matches up fine with Lufkin. The Lobos inability to take care of the football against the Panthers is what prevented you from getting a shot at Southlake and the Division II title. If Longview and Lufkin should meet again, I think the Lobos would have a good shot as long as they take care of the ball.

Obviously, Longview has a very good program. One of the very best in 5A without a state championship in my opinion. In this state, elite programs are measured by championships so Longview has some work to do there. Anyway, like you said, Tyler Lee should be the main focus right now.

[stinger]

How can myround0 know facts, especially ones involving when a player is playing in a game, when he is sitting in fron of the computer during the game. Probably sipping on some Geritol and using Preparation H (too much time on his backside sliding away from the true facts) cause he always has the facts when he isn't at the game. How can he have the fact when he posts from Wichita Falls? He's not a couch potato; he is a recliner almanac.

[bleedgreen]

calling names, SLC Dad??? how mature you are??? you people need to wake up just a bit...this thread is not a "dog Longview" thread...myround made a comment(HIS opinion)about leaving starters in when the game is well in control...do we understand how to comprehend or identify the topic sentence??? stick to the thread subject....nooone is dogging a program like SLC--that would be pretty ridiculous to down a national championship program....but, it damn sure seemed like many of you are ready to pounce on Longview's case....a few of you, i'm really surprised by your comments....just when you think you know someone????? another good "plug" made about the "streak" that Lufkin has on Longview by my buddy pack0808...you guys seriously need some new material there in Lufkin, brother--LOL.......yea, no title since 1937---laugh it up--poke a little more fun at a program like Longview...makes you look even more intelligent than you already are :confused:

[pack0808]

LOL bleed i hardly comment in Lufkin Longview threads anymore but you know that is going to be mentioned anytime a Lufkin/Longview discussion is going on. Yall would do the same no doubt!! Nobody is laughing at Longview they have a great program and i think they have a very good shot at the title this year. I was laughing at myround he is a trip. :)

[SLCDad]

calling names, SLC Dad??? how mature you are??? you people need to wake up just a bit...this thread is not a "dog Longview" thread...myround made a comment(HIS opinion)about leaving starters in when the game is well in control...Yeah, I was thinking foolish, uninformed, silly, stupid and immature. He was spewing HIS opinion that SLC and Trinity were "playing to the polls" and "leaving their starters in to get national recognition." He was also saying how Longview was superior because they took their starters out. He has no clue about the facts but he wanted to take a shot at SLC and Trinity and tell the world that Longview was superior. I think my use of self righteous jerk was right on target. :D :D

[SLCDad]

LOL bleed i hardly comment in Lufkin Longview threads anymore but you know that is going to be mentioned anytime a Lufkin/Longview discussion is going on. Yall would do the same no doubt!! Nobody is laughing at Longview they have a great program and i think they have a very good shot at the title this year. I was laughing at myround he is a trip. :)Me to.

[dragonsdaddy]

Rclisle41...we share a common goal...however, i will say this to you, the post served one purpose, and that was to inform...people from the Dallas area took offense and went on the defensivse, because they know what i am saying is true... and it cuts right into how good those teams really are...Dallas writers know it, and the dallas community knows it, this is why you see the knifers coming out trying to cut me down...no need for that since all i am posting are the facts...nance was in the game against Tyler Lee in the closing moments and those people are getting upset because my truth telling posts cuts a hole into just how good he is...now, their purpose is to try to gang up and discredit me...whatever...i am an Air Force man, dealt with people like these on a much larger scale, my name and credibility will stand up to any man to include the past two presidents so they don't frighten me...because I am from a small tiown they think i scare easily...remember i have slept in the Kuwaiti sands for over three months and also spent one year in Korea, also, many night in England including the night we bombed Libya...they don't scare me...I know what i state and I state facts...if you take umbrage with that then talk to the coach of these teams and make a liar out of me...Rclisle...I hope you don't feel as if you have been slighted
your claim to speak the truth by saying it loudly and often makes one wonder. no one has to make a liar or anything else negative as you do a bang-up job for yourself. your facts have a tinge of bias and subjectivity to them. some might go so far as to call them opinions.

[bleedgreen]

you guys need to understand that sometimes fans make silly comments..but, that doesn't reflect what the community of Longview is really thinking......yes, we have pulled our starters after EVERY 1st half of this year----no big deal...game is well in control, don't want to risk injury by leaving them in....plus, by the 2nd teamers getting alot of playing time(just as much as the 1st team), it makes a team just a little deeper--this is all fine with me......SLC is a great program, just as Lufkin is...that is why you will never hear me talk down on great programs, that's just classless!! i'm not ever going to question how you guys run your programs--obviously, something is working...... it seems as if alot of people rank our team and program down because we have only 1 title...there are alot of great teams that will beat your head off that haven't won alot of state titles......we are one of them....we can make all of the excuses that we want, but we haven't gotten it done in the "state title" department--that's a fact.....but, poking fun of a program like Longview isn't very wise and shows a complete lack of respect for one of the best programs in Texas, titles or no titles......not calling any names, but you know who you were.....don't worry SLC and Lufkin fans, we definitely respect you guys, why not a little in return????

[SLCDad]

you guys need to understand that sometimes fans make silly comments..but, that doesn't reflect what the community of Longview is really thinking......yes, we have pulled our starters after EVERY 1st half of this year----no big deal...game is well in control, don't want to risk injury by leaving them in....plus, by the 2nd teamers getting alot of playing time(just as much as the 1st team), it makes a team just a little deeper--this is all fine with me......SLC is a great program, just as Lufkin is...that is why you will never hear me talk down on great programs, that's just classless!! i'm not ever going to question how you guys run your programs--obviously, something is working...... it seems as if alot of people rank our team and program down because we have only 1 title...there are alot of great teams that will beat your head off that haven't won alot of state titles......we are one of them....we can make all of the excuses that we want, but we haven't gotten it done in the "state title" department--that's a fact.....but, poking fun of a program like Longview isn't very wise and shows a complete lack of respect for one of the best programs in Texas, titles or no titles......not calling any names, but you know who you were.....don't worry SLC and Lufkin fans, we definitely respect you guys, why not a little in return????I think everyone respects Longview. They have my respect. Longview has a great team.

In my humble, totally objective opinion they have a very good chance to go all the way this year and lose to SLC in the semi-finals. :D :D

[PACKMAN]

I can not beleive the administrator is telling me I am to wrapped up in numbers...what do you use to rank your teams KTCHAMP...Numbers, I am sure...Look it was not a critism, it was not a beat up SLC line it was a fact, it was the same as what I stated about Euless Trinity...super inflated bloated stats that make a team look really good...as for winning a title...Lufkin people talk noise like they have always been champs...well news flash we had been to the big dance twice before you ever went to your first title game in 2001, so you really have no need to speak to me until you get back, in fact you trailed in the game with westlake, so it is not like you are really dominate, Lufkin just got some hardware and they sound off like they are pencilled into the title game every year...and many would say to Lufkin, had we had just one champion like it was when Longview won it's title, you might not have any hardware, so don't come at me like you belong, because you don't...your little nine game win streak over us just gave you a one game lead in our over fifty year battle. all that says is we use to bury you and had you under our wing for the longest...ok, i admit we made a mistake and gave you a one game lead, you best hope we go division 1, because if we don't, trust me we will beat Lufkin if we don't beat anyone else...SLC you and Euless, you pile up your stats and it looks as if you have pounded enough knots on Lufkins head they are scared of you, but, call us crazy because we don't know any better, you are going to have to show us...I just hope we can go D.2 and settle this on the field...and the icing on the cake would be to have Katy from the Houston area...that would be Christmas come early...



Yo quero (ALL BARK ..... NO BITE !!!) Your cart's way ahead of your horse ...

[Favpack]

Lufkin and Longview probably put their 2nd teamers in early to a fault. Other teams do it differently. I've never felt or believed SLC goes out to run the score up all night long. At the same time you would wonder why Riley's not in there from about the 2nd or 3rd possesion in the second half on. It's been mentioned several times that the opponent was clueless on D.

SLC Dad - how about showing a bit more class? This is like the 3rd time you've called people jerks and have generally gone off on folks for absolutely no reason. People come here to discuss and debate - live with it or go start your own forum. No need to tee off on people. You're acting anything but like the SLCDads I've met at games.

[bleedgreen]

I think everyone respects Longview. They have my respect. Longview has a great team.

In my humble, totally objective opinion they have a very good chance to go all the way this year and lose to SLC in the semi-finals. :D :Dthis is a very true prediction.....but, i think Lufkin will have something to say about that---even if we make it that far??????

[SLCDad]

SLC Dad - how about showing a bit more class? This is like the 3rd time you've called people jerks and have generally gone off on folks for absolutely no reason. People come here to discuss and debate - live with it or go start your own forum. No need to tee off on people. You're acting anything but like the SLCDads I've met at games.You are forgetting that I called the guy a jerk but then stated a 2nd time that my original comment about him being a jerk was accurate. :D :D Does that now make it 4 times? :D :D Just wondering.

(Psssssst . . . I'm sure myround is a very nice person. I've never thought otherwise.)

[mad_fan]

Interesting thread. I'm glad there's not a bunch of scores mixed in with it.

[Redneckn]

This is for the SLC people... You will hear this kind of crap until you start to lose games. By beating other teams and being consistantly good, you have gained a large group of people that hate you and will hate you at all costs.

I support a school from back in La. that gets this same type thing. It was fine until they started winning games. Then it was fine when they were beating 1A teams. It was still ok when they were beating 3A teams. It was not fine when they moved to 5A and dominated.

They have been accused of everything from recruiting to steroids. To beating teams that were nobodys. When they did beat teams that were somebodys, well, then they werent really anybody.

Unfortunately, when you're good, everybody wants to hate you..

Even when you fall, as ECA has this year, everybody still wants to hate you.

So SLC people, you may as well, quit trying to defend it and just it roll off your shoulders.

[c-lisle]

this is a very true prediction.....but, i think Lufkin will have something to say about that---even if we make it that far??????

I have alot of respect for LP but I just don't think they have the O to take them this year. I could be wrong but think their inexperience on O will be their demise. Like I've said a million times I do hope Lview gets another shot this year. You all know my opnion about that one. Lview won't meet their match until SLC this year. My opinion.

[stinger]

Leave your military out of it MYROUND0....it has nothing to do with your sill--- posts that have no credibility. You draw information from the twilight zone and in front of your computer during the game at home. So what...I am a vet with Viet Nam,,,to include removing the mines we dropped in the harbors. It has no bearing on anything except my American pride. Get a life and try and back up something you say. If you aren't noticing, people are just getting downright fed up with the baseless posts from you. If you have so much pride in Lonview then go to a game and report what you ACTUALLY SAW!!!!

[Favpack]

What a thread - what is the topic here? - lol - I've forgotten. Must be the long days of waiting for district to really kick in.

Am I the only one wondering if Longview might be overlooking Lee in 3 days? I surely doubt Coach King is.

[dragonsdaddy]

with the history these 2 have had recently, i'm betting no one in uniform is underselling either team. should be a war going to the fittest. unless tlee got really well recently, like yesterday, i expect a 40's to 21 game for lv.

[Favpack]

with the history these 2 have had recently, i'm betting no one in uniform is underselling either team. should be a war going to the fittest. unless tlee got really well recently, like yesterday, i expect a 40's to 21 game for lv.

I agree DD - losing their qb will hurt Lee big time - they're kind of reeling right now. I think Longview wins it by that margin.

BTW - Mesquite Horn was the first team all year long to hold Longview to a 3 and out (first possession) -- and the Lobos have played some decent teams.

[pack0808]

I do not think Lee can score that often vs Longview unless it is their 2nd string late in the 4th. i say 41-7

[Lobo9498]

I agree DD - losing their qb will hurt Lee big time - they're kind of reeling right now. I think Longview wins it by that margin.

BTW - Mesquite Horn was the first team all year long to hold Longview to a 3 and out (first possession) -- and the Lobos have played some decent teams.

Very few teams have held Longview to 3 and out this year. Against Mesquite we weren't forced to punt until midway through the 4th quarter. I think that punt after the first possession was our only punt of the night against Horn. McGee was upset with himself for not getting anywhere. The next play Longview had the ball, he busted it for 67 yards and the TD.

Horn gave us a heck of a fight. I think we needed that gut check before we played Lee. We didn't need to let up at all. Horn helped us stay focused. Should be fun on Thursday.