19-5A make up games voted down

[KT2000]

http://www.katytimes.com/articles/2005/09/29/sports/03dec.txt

Strake is the biggest winner in this scenario since they'll most likely be the only team in the district who doesn't have to play Katy. That essentially amounts to a one game advantage for them vs. the rest of the field (not including Katy) if the Tigers win out as they'll be favored to do.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Not right! Some one may end up with a perfect 9-0 record...that shouldn't be there!!!!

That's Okkkkk!! The playoffs will bust them back down to reality!

[t00 playa]

does this affect playoff implications with katy in regards to Div I or II?

[ktchamp97]

does this affect playoff implications with katy in regards to Div I or II?

I would say so...it all but assures that Strake will make the playoffs, therefore meaning that if either of the Taylors makes the playoffs (highly likely), Katy will go D1. If either Hastings or Elsik claims the 3rd spot, then Katy will go D2, but neither has looked very good thus far.

[KT2000]

Nothing is set in stone at this point without getting too speculative, but I think it is fair to say Strake's playoff chances went up as did Katy's chances of going Division I. Too early to say anything beyond that with any real certainty.

[bullrock]

Are you implying Strake will run the table in 195 now?

[dada]

Are you implying Strake will run the table in 195 now?
Elsik is better than their record indicates also...Start the season with North Shore, Humbe and Ike...a lot of team would come out 1-2 or 3-0. Strake losses to Elsik and another team catches them napping. I guess the Katy-Strake seating thing worked itself out.

[Favpack]

I think all of this is much ado over nothing. Coach Outlaw got voted down because the other coaches feared that Lufkin and Klein Forest would both run the table otherwise and not face each other. Obviously the same holds true here, but other coaches sided with injury and scheduling issues over getting uptight over who runs the table.

This issue proves beyond a doubt you're in the other coaches heads constantly anyway - and that's a bigger issue than scheduling.

Programs like Katy, Lufkin, etc. are not that concerned about district to begin with.

[ktchamp97]

Are you implying Strake will run the table in 195 now?

Not that long ago, that might have been unbelievable, but the district seems to be way down from previous years. I'm not saying it's certain, but there's certainly a chance.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

does this affect playoff implications with katy in regards to Div I or II?If Katy goes D1, I feel good about Westfield's chances even more.

[bullrock]

Share your reasoning with us scooter..

[SmilinTiger]

Share your reasoning with us scooter..

Yeah, Scooter. What does that mean?

[Tut]

If Katy goes D1, I feel good about Westfield's chances even more.
I think that Scooter is suffering from sleep deprivation. He fled Rita (see "Last Post" thread). Hopefully, his brain will recover along with the rest of the devastated area. He couldn't have possiby meant to make such a ridiculous statement.

[Fleeman93]

I'm sure Westfield would love to have to face Katy in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I'm sure Westfield would be love to have to face Katy in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

I'm sure they would too! I've seen Katy and Westfield play....it would be a very good game. But I have to go with who should of won state last year...Westfield.

But it will be a much heralded match-up!

[Fleeman93]

More of a tongue in cheek comment.

[Joboots]

Dowling outta be fired for letting them do this-might face the fact of possible
co-champs with facing one another?

[KT2000]

Katy, as a football team, sets its ultimate goals a little higher than district championships these days (although you gotta take care of business there first) so I don't see it effecting the team.

[bhs06]

That is an incredibly weak decision. That would really suck, example, if it happened last week in 6-5A it would benefit us for not having to play MacArthur, but it would hurt Irving because they missed out on the cupcake GP. That's not right...

[OfficerCartman]

What's wrong, Alief and Strake? No hunger for competition? Scared to play the big bad Katy schools? I guess Strake wasn't as excited to play Katy as they led us to believe.

[Fleeman93]

The cowards want no part of a fight they can't win.

[unoit]

Dowling did all he could to get them to play. The other 4 schools voted not to play. KISD wanted to play. Tie vote and therefore no game. Not up to Dowling to say game or no game.

[Fleeman93]

Certainly not Dowling's fault.

[tigersdad09]

I say it shows what kind of program SJ has....here was their AD on ch. 13 news in Houston the other night crying because the UIL wont let the kids from NO play except under certain restrictions and then they turn around and vote not to play what some of them have called their "BIGGEST" game of the season....SAYS A LOT FOR THEM AND THEIR PROGRAM.

[t00 playa]

I say it shows what kind of program SJ has....here was their AD on ch. 13 news in Houston the other night crying because the UIL wont let the kids from NO play except under certain restrictions and then they turn around and vote not to play what some of them have called their "BIGGEST" game of the season....SAYS A LOT FOR THEM AND THEIR PROGRAM.


harsh words... but.. very hard to argue with :eek:

[Tut]

I say it shows what kind of program SJ has....here was their AD on ch. 13 news in Houston the other night crying because the UIL wont let the kids from NO play except under certain restrictions and then they turn around and vote not to play what some of them have called their "BIGGEST" game of the season....SAYS A LOT FOR THEM AND THEIR PROGRAM.

They want to play with the big boys......Well, maybe not the BIG ones. :mad:
Were they booted out of TAAPS because they are too large or because they are too big for their britches? :confused:

I can't believe the Alief schools went along. Are the Mayde Creek Rams really mightier than the Elsik Rams? The battle of the Taylors won't happen either except for a possible coin flip. :(

[The Lone Ranger]

They want to play with the big boys......Well, maybe not the BIG ones. :mad:
Were they booted out of TAAPS because they are too large or because they are too big for their britches? :confused:

I can't believe the Alief schools went along. Are the Mayde Creek Rams really mightier than the Elsik Rams? The battle of the Taylors won't happen either except for a possible coin flip. :(

Strake was never in TAPPS....they refused to take JCP and SJCP because both were too big.

The TCIL ended after the 1999 football season. Of the 4 competing teams that year, Cathedral (enrollment 550 boys) and St Thomas (enrollment 650 boys) were taken into TAPPS, but Strake (enrollment 850 boys pre Katrina) and Dallas Jesuit (enrollment 1050 boys pre-Katrina) were turned down because they were so much larger than the other schools...to give an example, the largest school before the TCIL's demise was Bishop Lynch, which now has approx. 1050 students COED--half of what Jesuit CP has.

They might have tried to get into the SPC, but if they did, were rejected for size concerns...the biggest there, St. Mark's School of Texas, has only 350 boys.

SJCP didn't outgrow their britches...the britches were too small when they tried them on.

[htownfootball]

how can yall call jesuit "cowards"? even in the katy times, the writer says that he has no doubt the crusader players would have walked 10 miles in concrete to play katy.
come on all i hear is whining. the outcome of the katy-strake game was never in doubt--more whining whether it be about the food at the stadium or the capacity to seat it's still the same argument...katy always putting down anything jesuit does. get over it they are here (5A) to stay, deal with it.

[KTFURB]

how can yall call jesuit "cowards"? even in the katy times, the writer says that he has no doubt the crusader players would have walked 10 miles in concrete to play katy.
come on all i hear is whining. the outcome of the katy-strake game was never in doubt--more whining whether it be about the food at the stadium or the capacity to seat it's still the same argument...katy always putting down anything jesuit does. get over it they are here (5A) to stay, deal with it.
I'm not sure any of the Katy people are calling the SJ kids cowards. No doubt they didn't poll the players on what they wanted. I'm sure they all wanted to play Katy. They're competitors and they know they'll never be recognized as the best until they knock off the top dog. On the other hand, htown, if you want to play with the big boys and be recognized and respected, you have to act like you belong. Ya'll have the money, build a stadium that can accomodate the big boys. Or is it in your best interest to keep your cracker box and and avoid having your kids intimidated by a huge visiting crowd?
I think most Katy fans feel like I do about you guys. As long as you play by the rules,i.e. no recruiting, I don't think anyone cares if you're in the UIL. But no one is going to sit by and watch Texas HS football turn into Louisiana where the parochial schools can openly recruit players and dominate the public schools. And don't try to tell me that secret recruiting could never happen at Strake. In the same way there are wealthy college alumni who try to entice players to attend their alma mater, there could be wealthy SJ alums who wouldn't mind helping the program if they could. Not saying that its happening, but the possibility exists that it could! When I played HS football in the 60's if a player transferred into your school, he was ineligible to participate in varsity athletics for one year. I believe that rule should still be enforced. I'm sorry for what happened to the Jesuit kids in NOLA but they have no right to be allowed to join existing teams here. Its my understanding that Katy has one or two young men enrolled that are alledged to be all-state performers in La. Don't know if thats true or not. Either way, they shouldn't be eligible for varsity competition until they've sat out a season. If they're seniors, well, life sometimes gives us setbacks. I'm not whining...I just don't want to see Evangel Christians in Texas football.

[htownfootball]

prove one case of recruiting at strake jesuit, i dare you to. this should be funny.

[tigersdad09]

how can yall call jesuit "cowards"? even in the katy times, the writer says that he has no doubt the crusader players would have walked 10 miles in concrete to play katy.
come on all i hear is whining. the outcome of the katy-strake game was never in doubt--more whining whether it be about the food at the stadium or the capacity to seat it's still the same argument...katy always putting down anything jesuit does. get over it they are here (5A) to stay, deal with it.

So Htown if you say the outcome was never in doubt....then SJ was better off not playing the game and not getting a big "L" in the column....

now no one has said the kids were cowards but to me...if the admin. new the outcome and thats why they voted "NO"...then to me that a COWARD.

[dragonsdaddy]

how can yall call jesuit "cowards"? even in the katy times, the writer says that he has no doubt the crusader players would have walked 10 miles in concrete to play katy.
come on all i hear is whining. the outcome of the katy-strake game was never in doubt--more whining whether it be about the food at the stadium or the capacity to seat it's still the same argument...katy always putting down anything jesuit does. get over it they are here (5A) to stay, deal with it.
reminds me of the pekinese behind a high fence barking at the doberman on the outside. when given the opportunity to do more than bark, it runs in the house to momma, and sits in her lap, where it barks some more. gotta love the attitude.

[ktfiend]

Here is the second fabulous article in The Katy Times regarding the decisions that were made (for those of you that haven't seen it yet). I have to agree with Nick that the Principals of the non-KISD schools involved have sent the WRONG message to their kids! I would have probably taken it the same way, that we weren't good enough to beat KISD anyway. It's a great article!

19 5A DEC Decision - The Katy Times (http://www.katytimes.com/articles/2005/09/30/sports/02column.txt)

[ktCarl]

prove one case of recruiting at strake jesuit, i dare you to. this should be funny.

How else does a private school get it's athlete's? From the neighborhood it's located in like public schools do?
What is Strakes' district borders?

Why would Strakes' officials want to avoid playing Katy? Don't you think it taints your season? I feel sorry for your athletes on this decision. No matter how well your program does this season it will always be remembered as the year you avoided playing Katy. You guys lost a lot of respect from Texas High School football fans.

[tigersdad09]

How else does a private school get it's athlete's? From the neighborhood it's located in like public schools do?
What is Strakes' district borders?

Why would Strakes' officials want to avoid playing Katy? Don't you think it taints your season? I feel sorry for your athletes on this decision. No matter how well your program does this season it will always be remembered as the year you avoided playing Katy. You guys lost a lot of respect from Texas High School football fans.

hate to disagree with you KT but this will be a great year in SJ eyes....it will be the year they didn't LOSE to KATY,,,,no matter what the reason

[Tut]

hate to disagree with you KT but this will be a great year in SJ eyes....it will be the year they didn't LOSE to KATY,,,,no matter what the reason
If they do as well as they think they will, it would be an even better year with a reasonably close loss to Katy. The message they got is that they would get creamed. If they run the table, they'll be bragging about their district "championship" and how they "would have" beaten the Tigers.

[Fleeman93]

Cowards.

[STJL41]

prove one case of recruiting at strake jesuit, i dare you to. this should be funny.
No, what's funny is he merely mentioned the fact that the possibility exists for them to recruit players, and you got defensive and called him out. If you go back and actually read the post, you will notice he never actually says he suspects that Strake is recruiting.
And don't try to tell me that secret recruiting could never happen at Strake. In the same way there are wealthy college alumni who try to entice players to attend their alma mater, there could be wealthy SJ alums who wouldn't mind helping the program if they could. Not saying that its happening, but the possibility exists that it could!
I'm assuming this was the portion of his post to which you were referring. With that said, I dare YOU to prove where he ever actually accuses Strake Jesuit of illegally recruiting player. Merely stating that the possibility exists is nothing more than an observation, so don't get your panties in a wad.

So you're done with this, right? Good. I'm glad we had this little talk.

[KTMOM91]

Remember Katy fans that more times than not the road to the state championship game goes through Katy for the Region III championship. If Strake would by chance make the play-offs they'd most likely have to play Katy, anyway! I'd look forward to seeing the final score of that game! :eek:
:D :D

[KT2000]

If they do as well as they think they will, it would be an even better year with a reasonably close loss to Katy. The message they got is that they would get creamed. If they run the table, they'll be bragging about their district "championship" and how they "would have" beaten the Tigers.

I think anyone that saw the two play last year know dang well Strake is an extremely long way from competing with Katy. When Strake walked out onto the field, I almost felt sorry for them when I saw all 35-40 of them. I just shook my head and thought "well, I hope everyone that fought for Strake to join the UIL is proud because they're about to see the 'fruits' of their labor."

[SFAlobo]

i hardly think a loss to Katy would have kept them out of them playoffs (
if they run the table as some of you might think)... But as seen in recent years(Dallas Jesuit), they are usually brought crashing back to earth.

[ktrain]

Remember Katy fans that more times than not the road to the state championship game goes through Katy for the Region III championship. If Strake would by chance make the play-offs they'd most likely have to play Katy, anyway! I'd look forward to seeing the final score of that game! :eek:
:D :D

Two problems with that statement:
1: They won't get deep enough into the playoffs to meet Katy.
2: Very good chance Katy goes D1 this year.

[lonny23]

Two problems with that statement:
1: They won't get deep enough into the playoffs to meet Katy.
2: Very good chance Katy goes D1 this year.
Strake might do OK in the playoffs. It's not because they're that great, but they might be the best of a weak D2 bracket.

[TRsnare07]

they might be able to do ok in playoffs but that could bump a good team down just because of that

[Tut]

I think anyone that saw the two play last year know dang well Strake is an extremely long way from competing with Katy. When Strake walked out onto the field, I almost felt sorry for them when I saw all 35-40 of them. I just shook my head and thought "well, I hope everyone that fought for Strake to join the UIL is proud because they're about to see the 'fruits' of their labor."
A "reasonably close loss to Katy" meant 3 tds and was a big IF. I doubt that it would be that close, but they should have been given the chance. Don't expect Strake to win 3 PO games which it would take if Katy is in D2.

[ktCarl]

hate to disagree with you KT but this will be a great year in SJ eyes....it will be the year they didn't LOSE to KATY,,,,no matter what the reason

It's also the year they didn't BEAT Katy.

[htownfootball]

Here is the second fabulous article in The Katy Times regarding the decisions that were made (for those of you that haven't seen it yet). I have to agree with Nick that the Principals of the non-KISD schools involved have sent the WRONG message to their kids! I would have probably taken it the same way, that we weren't good enough to beat KISD anyway. It's a great article!
-ktfiend

The Katy Times is the most biased newspaper I have ever read. Fabulous? Yeah, if you live off of Interstate-10 and the pile of concrete/dirt/whatever.

Oh, and on the subject of recruiting. You'll haven't proven it yet. Nice try though, maybe the great reporting done by the Katy Times can uncover some hidden truths at Strake Jesuit! (sarcasm)

[TRsnare07]

someone sounds angry so are you saying that the news paper is wrong <sorry kinda confused me a bit

[tigersdad09]

Oh, and on the subject of recruiting. You'll haven't proven it yet. Nice try though, maybe the great reporting done by the Katy Times can uncover some hidden truths at Strake Jesuit! (sarcasm)[/QUOTE]

And once again you have not proven that SJ doesnt recruit. why don't you enlighten us as to just where all of their players come from...do all of them live right around the school as do the kids that play and attend public schools are do they commute from anywhere that they want in order to attend SJ. if thats the case you could say thats recruiting... like someone from the school saying "Hey son..dont go to that public school in that part of town...why dont you come way over here and play for us" thats kinda like recruiting wouldn't you say......NAH i guess you wouldn't!

[KT2000]

Htown, it's not that yall have recruited a bunch of players and are using them against public schools right now. The fact the mere possibility exists you could recruit is why I don't think Strake, or any other private school, should be allowed to play with the public schools. There are too many ways to break the system.

Technically, anyone can go to your school if they have transportation. Sure, the UIL created a rule that says anyone who comes to Strake sophomore year or later must live in the attendance zone to play on the team.

However, what's to stop the Strake coaching staff from keeping tabs on junior highs around the city (like I'm sure they already do for Katy, Alief and their immediate surroundings in HISD) and identify the talent early if the school rules allow them to do so and the UIL doesn't keep tabs on whether or not they pull in junior high kids from outside their "zone?"'

As far as the football end of things goes this year, Strake received a tremendous gift from the dissent voters and football gods.

Last year's game...I'm not sure how 38-7 equals a three score difference, but math was never my strong suit. It was 38-0 after three quarters (starters were basically out midway through and all out by the end), and Strake's only score came with seconds left to play in the game.

[Fleeman93]

Someone said that Katy fans are not calling Strake cowards. Well, you are wrong. I am a Katy fan and I am saying that they are cowards. I don't care about this crap that the players would play the game if they could. The bottom line is that their administration (the same administration that fought to get them into UIL) voted for them not to make the game up. Cowards! Before they voted they should have said that if it came down to ties then the schools that voted nay would lose the tie break automatically. Again, cowards!

[TRsnare07]

but with katy how many schools does katy have in its district? if its just them then i wouldnt doubt that they are NOT reruting they are jsut getting alot of people from the middle schools

[TIGER07]

but with katy how many schools does katy have in its district? if its just them then i wouldnt doubt that they are NOT reruting they are jsut getting alot of people from the middle schools


Katy ISD just opened it's 6th High School this year.

[hornfan713]

Someone said that Katy fans are not calling Strake cowards. Well, you are wrong. I am a Katy fan and I am saying that they are cowards. I don't care about this crap that the players would play the game if they could. The bottom line is that their administration (the same administration that fought to get them into UIL) voted for them not to make the game up. Cowards! Before they voted they should have said that if it came down to ties then the schools that voted nay would lose the tie break automatically. Again, cowards!

Do you honestly think that you're gaining anything by calling the Jesuit administration cowards? All you and anyone else who says the same are doing is making yourselves look foolish. I can safely say Strake didn't want to replay the games because of scheduling issues due to the fact that they just DOUBLED their enrollment with students from New Orleans Jesuit, who are going to class at night on the Strake campus. 400 students, tuition free. Say what you will about cowardice, but I think it takes some courage to step up and offer every service they have to a group of kids they as an administration have never seen face-to-face.

Also, Say what you must about recruiting, but it happens everywhere. Kids come to Strake because their families make the ACTIVE decision to do so. We have no merit based scholorships, only need based (and those are very hard to come by). Just my two cents

[CLFalcon2006]

I think its funny when people call Jesuits cowards.
Im in AP Euro history and we just started elarning about the catholic reformation. Those Jesuits are CRAZY.

They called themselves the army of God and when the Pope asked for missionaries to go deep into the Amazon and the jungles and mojuntains of southern brazil and argentina only the Jesuits volunteered.

Nothing to do with HS ball in the 21st century but still sort of funny.

[CLFalcon2006]

Katy ISD just opened it's 6th High School this year.

Just how many people live in Katy exactly?

[unoit]

Depends on what you really call katy. Population sign says about 11,000. That's probably how many can vote for the city of katy stuff. So depends what is truly Katy. I know kinda confusing.. still confused myself.

[Fleeman93]

They sure didn't act like cowards when it came to getting into the UIL. Fought like hell for that one. The kids coming into Strake from NO has nothing to do with the football program except possibly make it better with some additional athletes. The majority of the schools in this region that missed games are making them up so why couldn't 19-5A? No one has given a valid reason as to why the Jesuits didn't want to play this game. The obvious answer is that they didn't want to take a loss, but only the cowards know the answer to that one.

[hornfan713]

I don't think you understand my point. These NOLA kids go to school from 3:30 to 8. It might be just a tad bit hard to schedule a game on the weekday with that in addition to Strake's normal class load. Or maybe not. Maybe I'm just a coward. But I don't get off calling a bunch of men and women trying to help out a group of refugees, regardless of football politics, cowards

[tigersdad09]

hornfan this has nothing to do with the NO kids....SJ sued to get into the UIL...they brag about how good their team is...how their gonna make the playoffs....then RITA comes along and everyone cancels their games...and for a good reason....now its time to make up those games...but WAIT they were suppose to play KATY.....and they voted "NO" what a way to avoid a loss...do you really think they would have voted no if the game that was canceled would have been HASTINGS...I DOUBT it...they would have been the first school to vote to make up the game and take the "W".....no the admin. at SJ are just COWARDS...say what you want but that is the cold hard facts. THEY are out for #1 and thats all...the heck with what is right for all...only what is best for them...and that makes them "one way" in everyone elses eyes....

[KT2000]

It had nothing to do with the second school session. Smart move on Coach Counter's part as far as the playoffs are concerned. He, like everyone else in attendance, knew what he saw on the field last year. A complete mismatch in every facet of the game. He obviously didn't think it beneficial for his football team to be tossed around for 48 minutes again and wants to keep confidence up.

However, I don't think it sends a very good message to his team. If I'm Strake's coach, I want to play Katy because that tells my team I'm willing to go into battle with them no matter how far outmatched and that we'll keep fighting. In the long run, I think that approach would prove far more valuable than the temporary sigh of relief you give them because you didn't play.

If Strake does end up winning out in district, and possibly win a share of the district title, I doubt the players will fully believe they deserve it (which is sad) since they didn't have to play what many consider to be the best overall program of the Houston area in the last 15 years.

I think all any Katy fan wanted out of this whole Strake ordeal was to play the game on the field and settle it there like it's supposed to be. However, that obviously wasn't in Strake's plans.

Strake may not have asked to be in 5A, but 5A didn't ask for Strake either. After all, we weren't the ones that had lawyers storming Austin with stacks of paper threatening to abolish the UIL if we didn't get our way.

[KT2000]

I seem to have knack for ending threads.

[Tigerjag]

Just how many people live in Katy exactly?

Around 100,000 live in Katy Independent School District. Close to 50,000 students attend KISD schools.