Very Sad

[SLCDad]

Haltom football star facing sexual assault charge

By Domingo Ramirez Jr. and Anthony Andro
Star-Telegram Staff Writers

HALTOM CITY - A top football recruit from Haltom High School has been accused of having sex with a 15-year-old girl. Jermey Brent, 19, of North Richland Hills was released Tuesday from the Haltom City Jail on $15,000 bail. He declined to comment Wednesday.

Police said they began an investigation this summer after the girl told her mother about the incident. Her mother then contacted Haltom City police.

"It apparently occurred at a friend's home in Haltom City," Haltom City police Cpl. Shawn Holt said.

Police provided no other details. Brent was arrested Monday at Haltom High School, more than two months after an arrest warrant was issued.

"At the time, investigators did not know where he was living," said Holt, explaining why it took several weeks before Brent was arrested.

Brent, a 6-foot-5 wide receiver, attended classes Wednesday but has been suspended from the team indefinitely, said coach Kenny Perry. Brent played in Haltom's first four games and has 22 catches for 311 yards and six touchdowns for the Buffalos, who are 3-1.

"It's just an unfortunate situation all around," Perry said. "As a team, we can't let this get to us. We've had such a good season so far, we don't want this to be a distraction."

Brent had more than 1,000 yards receiving last season and is the No. 53 high school receiver recruit in the nation, according to the football recruiting Web site rivals100.com. If convicted of sexual assault of a child, Brent faces a maximum of 20 years in prison.

[dada]

Haltom football star facing sexual assault charge

By Domingo Ramirez Jr. and Anthony Andro
Star-Telegram Staff Writers

HALTOM CITY - A top football recruit from Haltom High School has been accused of having sex with a 15-year-old girl. Jermey Brent, 19, of North Richland Hills was released Tuesday from the Haltom City Jail on $15,000 bail. He declined to comment Wednesday.

Police said they began an investigation this summer after the girl told her mother about the incident. Her mother then contacted Haltom City police.

"It apparently occurred at a friend's home in Haltom City," Haltom City police Cpl. Shawn Holt said.

Police provided no other details. Brent was arrested Monday at Haltom High School, more than two months after an arrest warrant was issued.

"At the time, investigators did not know where he was living," said Holt, explaining why it took several weeks before Brent was arrested.

Brent, a 6-foot-5 wide receiver, attended classes Wednesday but has been suspended from the team indefinitely, said coach Kenny Perry. Brent played in Haltom's first four games and has 22 catches for 311 yards and six touchdowns for the Buffalos, who are 3-1.

"It's just an unfortunate situation all around," Perry said. "As a team, we can't let this get to us. We've had such a good season so far, we don't want this to be a distraction."

Brent had more than 1,000 yards receiving last season and is the No. 53 high school receiver recruit in the nation, according to the football recruiting Web site rivals100.com. If convicted of sexual assault of a child, Brent faces a maximum of 20 years in prison.
DISCLAIMER!!!! I in NO WAY CONDONE THIS, but Both are in High School right? How is this sex with a minor.....I'm 30.....my sons mother is 35....They should put her up under the jail.

[pack0808]

It is even worse when it is a 19 year old with a 17 year old and it is completely consensual!! I have seen people like that go to jail and it is just not right?? The system does not make sense??

[dada]

It is even worse when it is a 19 year old with a 17 year old and it is completely consensual!! I have seen people like that go to jail and it is just not right?? The system does not make sense??
Yeah....like I said...I cant say it's RIGHT, but you have a young man in High School who will now be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life....Life ruined.

[LUFPAN]

DISCLAIMER!!!! I in NO WAY CONDONE THIS, but Both are in High School right? How is this sex with a minor.....I'm 30.....my sons mother is 35....They should put her up under the jail.

Its a matter of legality. No one under the age of 17 can legally consent to a sexual relationship with somebody 18 years or older. Even if the sex is consentual it would still fall under the category of statuatory ****.

[dragonsdaddy]

this is a disturbing article on so many levels. this kid burst onto the scene after being recruited from the b-ball gym and was poised to take his skills to the next level. i'm sure he still will, but maybe based on his jr year rather than his sr year. his actions have negatively effected another family and the community in general. his teammates have been let down big time. metromess fans have lost the opportunity to see a rising star. i hope it is over-blown or completely false, but the stigma is already in place. kids being kids didn't seem so damaging 40 years ago.

[dragonsdaddy]

Its a matter of legality. No one under the age of 17 can legally consent to a sexual relationship with somebody 18 years or older. Even if the sex is consentual it would still fall under the category of statuatory ****.
i have little legal knowledge, but i remember hearing something about a 2 year rule, whereby a 17 and a 15 year old can have consensual sex, due to the proximity of their ages. seems it is 2 years. may be an urban myth.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

This is crazy. I was getting at freshmen and sophomores when I was a senior nobody said anything.

[dada]

Its a matter of legality. No one under the age of 17 can legally consent to a sexual relationship with somebody 18 years or older. Even if the sex is consentual it would still fall under the category of statuatory ****.
I mean this law made since in the 50's and 60's....dont you think it should be changed? 10 years from now he goes in for a job...they see SEX OFFENDER...dosent say he was in high school and was a SR and the girl was maybe what? A sophmore or Jr?... in 5 years he will be 24 and she will be 20....see my point...now if he was 19 and she was maybe 13....then I can see that...this is a touchy subject.

[SeguinMatadors]

DISCLAIMER!!!! I in NO WAY CONDONE THIS, but Both are in High School right? How is this sex with a minor.....I'm 30.....my sons mother is 35....They should put her up under the jail.

It is really sad when this happens. It happens all the time. By law, once you turn 17 the girl must be within two years of you to engage in any sort of sexual relations. Meaning, two seniors, one being 19 and one being 17, could have consensual sex and the 19 year old could be put in prison for it. I have seen it before and heard of it many times. I’ve heard of a guy who was 18 and had sex with a 16 year old and got a few years. It is really a stupid law. I just got out of HS and seniors date freshman and sophomores all the time. Hell, if I would have caught an evil parent in HS, I could have been accused and arrested for the same thing. It is just sad that this guy is going to lose his life over something so petty.

[DragonFan]

In the articule it said that the girl told her mom about the incident. If it was consentual then why did the mother go after the boy? It could also be that the boy used the girl now the girl wants to get back at the boy. Either way it is shame that this happened and that it was reported! There are a lot of people who are going to be effected by this action. The Boy, the girl, both familes, the football team and Haltom High School and all associated with it.

Please get this articule out to all the young men you know and let them know that every action has consequences so be careful of what you do!

[dada]

It is really sad when this happens. It happens all the time. By law, once you turn 17 the girl must be within two years of you to engage in any sort of sexual relations. Meaning, two seniors, one being 19 and one being 17, could have consensual sex and the 19 year old could be put in prison for it. I have seen it before and heard of it many times. I’ve heard of a guy who was 18 and had sex with a 16 year old and got a few years. It is really a stupid law. I just got out of HS and seniors date freshman and sophomores all the time. Hell, if I would have caught an evil parent in HS, I could have been accused and arrested for the same thing. It is just sad that this guy is going to lose his life over something so petty.
EXACTLY...his life could be ruined..over something that happens in High School...especially theses days, all the time....like I said...my sons mother is almost 6 years older than me....

[pack0808]

Law or not it is just not right to label this kid a sexual predator on society like a real child molestor is. They will be thought of as the same according to society and that is not fair. Example, a 40 year old that molested a little baby is labeled no differently then a 19 year old having consensual sex with a 17 or 16 year old. That just does not make sense no matter how you look at it. Something needs to be changed!!

[dada]

In the articule it said that the girl told her mom about the incident. If it was consentual then why did the mother go after the boy? It could also be that the boy used the girl now the girl wants to get back at the boy. Either way it is shame that this happened and that it was reported! There are a lot of people who are going to be effected by this action. The Boy, the girl, both familes, the football team and Haltom High School and all associated with it.

Please get this articule out to all the young men you know and let them know that every action has consequences so be careful of what you do!
Yeah..we really cant elaborate..we dont know all the details...it could have been consentual...the mom found out or heard about it...made her daughter tell her what happened...didnt like the boy anyway and called the cops....now if it was ****...he deserves this...but if this is a case of Boyfriend/Girlfriend and the parents disagreed with it.....it's sad.

[dada]

Law or not it is just not right to label this kid a sexual predator on society like a real child molestor is. They will be thought of as the same according to society and that is not fair. Example, a 40 year old that molested a little baby is labeled no differently then a 19 year old having consensual sex with a 17 or 16 year old. That just does not make sense no matter how you look at it. Something needs to be changed!!
I totaly agree!

[RidgePride]

It is even worse when it is a 19 year old with a 17 year old and it is completely consensual!! I have seen people like that go to jail and it is just not right?? The system does not make sense??
No you haven't because the legal consusual age in Texas is 17. Most people don't know that.

Most states age limit is 18.

It is really unfortunate because I know several 18+ years olds who have been with 14-16 year olds. It rarely gets this far.

I don't condone the action either, but most kids his age would have done that.

[SLCDad]

I'm stunned by some of the responses here. I'll get on my moral high horse now.

The first thing is the decline of the sexual morals in our society. It makes me very sad. There are worse problems here than nit picking over a year or two of age. Whatever happened to "chastiy before marriage and complete fidelity within marriage?" Second, the girl was only 15 years old. She is a child. I feel sorry for Jeremy Brent. He made a mistake and may pay a huge price for it. I hope the judge does what's right for him.

[pack0808]

No you haven't because the legal consusual age in Texas is 17. Most people don't know that.

Most states age limit is 18.

It is really unfortunate because I know several 18+ years olds who have been with 14-16 year olds. It rarely gets this far.

I don't condone the action either, but most kids his age would have done that.


Ok she must have been 16?? Either way it still does not make sense if it is consensual??

[pack0808]

mistake

[dada]

In these days I can see single men having to ask women they meet their age and what not, because you never know these days.....but in HIGH SCHOOL???

I hate stories like this because I've almost had to defend myself a couple of times. I'm 30....a young looking handsome 30(Austin Powers Voice "Grrr baby Grrrr!!) seriously...I still get carded....I've been to my sons school to pick him up only to be told that "His parents didnt inform us that someone else was picking him up"...etc....etc....I go to HS games a lot and you know...sometimes I'm approached and I'm terrified. I have to younger brothers who are twins...they are Seniors in High School this year and during the Summers they stay with me and Baby sit...and do "Teenage Boy" Stuff.....Then school starts and these High School girls are knocking on my door looking for them and I tell them they are gone...they leave, come back again asking me "What's up with YOU?"....I'm like I have you by ATLEAST 15 years...please dont knock on my door this late...the neighbors see this and I'm GUILTY until proven innocent and still...I have been ACCUSED which is bad as being Guilty.


Another situation happened recently...my son was in Dallas with my dad...I was bored and decided to go see a movie..when he's here I have to watch kiddy movies so I saw this as an oppurtunity to see something I wanted to see. I decided to see Hustle and Flow. When I got to the counter...3 girls approached me and asked if I could get them tickets(They were under 17) Hindsight is 20-20 and I shouldnt have done it, but at the same time I saw nothing wrong with it....I got them the tickets and went on my way...As I went to the movie..another woman stopped me and asked me where the girls with me...and that they would have to go in with me...again..I saw nothing wrong with it so I said "That's my little sister and her friends, they are with me"...got into the theater..they went their way....I went mine...thinking it was the end of that story....sorry this is so long....when the movie was over and I was on my way out...I was stopped by a cop. Evidently the girls were causing attention to theirselves and got put out of the theater...the cop wanted to know HOW they were under 17 in an R rated movie with out an adult....apparently one of the girls said with her "BOYFRIEND"......see where this is going??? The cop asked me who were they ..I said 'My sister and her freinds"..he said well they said you were a boyfriend...so after that i look REALLY suspect. So then I came out and told him...LOOK I dont know these girls...if I'm guilty of anything..it's buying them tickets...it took A LOT to get out of this situation....but you see my point...something like that could have ruined me forever.

[implacable44]

Look at the deterioration of our society at work on this post. I would like to know what all you men would say if that was your daughter. I second the comments of SLCDad and I will add that just because billy bob, john, tyrone, pepe and joe are doing it with "freshmen and sophomores" ( I won't even get into that - if you were "getting" the younger chicks then you had issues anyway and couldn't date girls your own age and took advantage of the younger girls youth and innocence) it is a LAW __ A WELL KNOWN LAW. You break the law - in any capacity and there are concequences. This happens every year - in every town - it is nothing new. It is the law - 19 yr olds do not have sex with 15 yr old girls. 15 gentleman - 15 and you are here trying to justify it because he is an athlete ? If it was your daughter.........

[dada]

I'm stunned by some of the responses here. I'll get on my moral high horse now.

The first thing is the decline of the sexual morals in our society. It makes me very sad. There are worse problems here than nit picking over a year or two of age. Whatever happened to "chastiy before marriage and complete fidelity within marriage?" Second, the girl was only 15 years old. She is a child. I feel sorry for Jeremy Brent. He made a mistake and may pay a huge price for it. I hope the judge does what's right for him.
Society changes......I think the laws should also....I mean do you really think "Chasity before marragie still exsists"....they even have High Schools for pregnant students now....How did he make a mistake? He's a High School kid involved with another high school kid. If it was a 15 year old boy and a 19 year old girl....the boy would probably be getting Hi-fives and pats on the back.

[dada]

Look at the deterioration of our society at work on this post. I would like to know what all you men would say if that was your daughter. I second the comments of SLCDad and I will add that just because billy bob, john, tyrone, pepe and joe are doing it with "freshmen and sophomores" ( I won't even get into that - if you were "getting" the younger chicks then you had issues anyway and couldn't date girls your own age and took advantage of the younger girls youth and innocence) it is a LAW __ A WELL KNOWN LAW. You break the law - in any capacity and there are concequences. This happens every year - in every town - it is nothing new. It is the law - 19 yr olds do not have sex with 15 yr old girls. 15 gentleman - 15 and you are here trying to justify it because he is an athlete ? If it was your daughter.........
Honestly if it was my daughter I would be upset at just the fact that she was having sex....but at the same time...I wouldnt go as far as calling the cops and ruining another highschool kids life for ever. Gets do ADULT crimes like stealing, drugs, etc and 10 years later it may not affect them...but Kids doing Kid things...and the rest of your life...you're a registered sex offender...who's gonna hire a sex offender?

[implacable44]

society changes and the law should too ? Has society changed for the better? THey have schools for pregnant girls and that is something to be applauded? Just what the world needs more babies having babies. More children born out of wedlock with no fathers that receive the benefit of my tax dollars in the form of government assistance because they can't afford the baby. - more lifes ruined. More sexually transmitted diseases -- AIDS - yes you are right - we need lots more of that. I assure you abstinence until marraige does exist and i find it humorous - no sad - that a lot of people defending this 19-yr old man having sex with a 15 yr old child as acceptable. Especially since a lot of you probably go to church and profess to be Christians and I think a lot of you posted about the storms wiping out the sin etc.. yet here you defend pre-marital sex which is a violation of the 10 commandments. -

[SLCDad]

Society changes......I think the laws should also....I mean do you really think "Chasity before marragie still exsists"....they even have High Schools for pregnant students now....How did he make a mistake? He's a High School kid involved with another high school kid. If it was a 15 year old boy and a 19 year old girl....the boy would probably be getting Hi-fives and pats on the back.Yes, society changes but right and wrong do not change. When did fornication become right? Chastity before marriage exsists in many places and with many people. He made a mistake because he had sex with a child. Having said that, I don't think he should be branded for life. In fact, I think he should be held accountable and at the same time be allowed to move on with his life and put this behind him for good.

[dada]

society changes and the law should too ? Has society changed for the better? THey have schools for pregnant girls and that is something to be applauded? Just what the world needs more babies having babies. More children born out of wedlock with no fathers that receive the benefit of my tax dollars in the form of government assistance because they can't afford the baby. - more lifes ruined. More sexually transmitted diseases -- AIDS - yes you are right - we need lots more of that. I assure you abstinence until marraige does exist and i find it humorous - no sad - that a lot of people defending this 19-yr old man having sex with a 15 yr old child as acceptable. Especially since a lot of you probably go to church and profess to be Christians and I think a lot of you posted about the storms wiping out the sin etc.. yet here you defend pre-marital sex which is a violation of the 10 commandments. -
I'm not saying it should be applauded....but THIS IS GOING on and it's nothing that you and I can do about it. 19 and 15 are numbers....they aare both in High School...everyone keeps saying what if it was YOUR daughter...well what if it was YOUR son? Does he deserve to have his life basicly taken from him because his girlfriend was 2 grades below him in high school?

[dada]

Yes, society changes but right and wrong do not change. When did fornication become right? Chastity before marriage exsists in many places and with many people. He made a mistake because he had sex with a child. Having said that, I don't think he should be branded for life. In fact, I think he should be held accountable and at the same time be allowed to move on with his life and put this behind him for good.
DRAGON08 and everyone else that's still in HighSchool...when a girl asks you to the prom....CHECK HER ID.....even if she is an aggresive fiesty one. You're in the wrong no matter what.....just getting you ready for the real world.

[StormingCowboy]

I'm stunned by some of the responses here. I'll get on my moral high horse now.

The first thing is the decline of the sexual morals in our society. It makes me very sad. There are worse problems here than nit picking over a year or two of age. Whatever happened to "chastiy before marriage and complete fidelity within marriage?" Second, the girl was only 15 years old. She is a child. I feel sorry for Jeremy Brent. He made a mistake and may pay a huge price for it. I hope the judge does what's right for him.


As Christian men particular, as Christian fathers, we are called to teach our children the ways of the Lord, and I'm sure most of us do; that is our daughters as well as our sons. As we teach them, we pray that they will take heed to what we teach them about morals, but unfortunately they follow their raging hormones and the ways of this sexual revolutionized society instead(just like most of us did).

And when our precious little 15 year old daughters, who we hope save themselves for marriage, open their legs, it tends to hurt us and we tend to want to hurt the person who our precious "babies" laid with because surely they were persuaded and used.

I'm pretty sure this could've been the mindset if this girl's family.

[dragonfly]

I'm stunned by some of the responses here. I'll get on my moral high horse now.

The first thing is the decline of the sexual morals in our society. It makes me very sad. There are worse problems here than nit picking over a year or two of age. Whatever happened to "chastiy before marriage and complete fidelity within marriage?" Second, the girl was only 15 years old. She is a child. I feel sorry for Jeremy Brent. He made a mistake and may pay a huge price for it. I hope the judge does what's right for him.

I think any kid in high school is a child. Sex before marriage is wrong in my opinion, but children make mistakes and even moral ones. Neither of them is justified but neither should pay for the rest of their lives if it was consentual. JMHO.

[Fleeman93]

I'm sure there are a lot of details that need to be known. Was the girl accusing him of sexual assault? Was the girl pissed because he "used" her? Were they dating? I understand the law and understand that it is in place to protect kids, but I would be willing to bet that the mom new the girl was sexually active. If anyone here believes that there are not Jr high kids having sex then you are blind. Society is much different now than it was even a few years ago. Is what he did right? No. Does he deserve to be marked for life? No.

[pack0808]

This is getting silly!! Nobody said that having sex before marriage is right!! Of course I would not want my 15 or 17 year old girls having sex but that is not reality on the vast majority of occasions. I am very conservative on most issues but this one i am not. I was not approving of their sexual relationship i was saying it was not fair for a 19 or 20 year old being labeled as a sexual predator in society when they were having consensual sex with a 15-17 year old. She knows what she is doing also!! It is usually dad's like some of you that freak smooth out when they find out their little innocent daughter is having consensual sex with an older boy and decide to press charges on the boy even though the girl was just as guilty. Yes i agree that morals have went downhill in this very liberal society but you are not going to convince me that this is fair.

[implacable44]

if it was my son I would have raised him differently and he wouldnt be stupid enough to have sex with a 15-yr old girl when he was a 19 yr old man in high school - what the heck is he doing in highschool at 19 anyway -- hopefully my son will have learned some morals and values like my parents taught me - I got married at 29 and didnt have sex prior to marraige and I have a whole heck of a lot of friends who did the same thing. It happens and there is something you can do about it - raise your children right - and then there is always the law.

look at the cowboy chiming in - sounds like you might have had a personal experience with this type of situation ? - I don't think anyone knows the facts and there are plenty of girls who are manipulative in this world - who knows if this was the case or not - as a general rule though 19 yr old men do not have sex with 15 yr old girls and to me - that is a character trait in this kid that I would not want in my system if I was a college recruiter.

[pack0808]

As Christian men particular, as Christian fathers, we are called to teach our children the ways of the Lord, and I'm sure most of us do; that is our daughters as well as our sons. As we teach them, we pray that they will take heed to what we teach them about morals, but unfortunately they follow their raging hormones and the ways of this sexual revolutionized society instead(just like most of us did).

And when our precious little 15 year old daughters, who we hope save themselves for marriage, open their legs, it tends to hurt us and we tend to want to hurt the person who our precious "babies" laid with because surely they were persuaded and used.

I'm pretty sure this could've been the mindset if this girl's family.


That is right on the button!! very true post

[dragonfly]

Look at the deterioration of our society at work on this post. I would like to know what all you men would say if that was your daughter. I second the comments of SLCDad and I will add that just because billy bob, john, tyrone, pepe and joe are doing it with "freshmen and sophomores" ( I won't even get into that - if you were "getting" the younger chicks then you had issues anyway and couldn't date girls your own age and took advantage of the younger girls youth and innocence) it is a LAW __ A WELL KNOWN LAW. You break the law - in any capacity and there are concequences. This happens every year - in every town - it is nothing new. It is the law - 19 yr olds do not have sex with 15 yr old girls. 15 gentleman - 15 and you are here trying to justify it because he is an athlete ? If it was your daughter.........

It she were my daughter I would whoop her ***.

[dragonfly]

Yes, society changes but right and wrong do not change. When did fornication become right? Chastity before marriage exsists in many places and with many people. He made a mistake because he had sex with a child. Having said that, I don't think he should be branded for life. In fact, I think he should be held accountable and at the same time be allowed to move on with his life and put this behind him for good.

Great point. I agree completely.

[pack0808]

if it was my son I would have raised him differently and he wouldnt be stupid enough to have sex with a 15-yr old girl when he was a 19 yr old man in high school - what the heck is he doing in highschool at 19 anyway -- hopefully my son will have learned some morals and values like my parents taught me - I got married at 29 and didnt have sex prior to marraige and I have a whole heck of a lot of friends who did the same thing. It happens and there is something you can do about it - raise your children right - and then there is always the law.

look at the cowboy chiming in - sounds like you might have had a personal experience with this type of situation ? - I don't think anyone knows the facts and there are plenty of girls who are manipulative in this world - who knows if this was the case or not - as a general rule though 19 yr old men do not have sex with 15 yr old girls and to me - that is a character trait in this kid that I would not want in my system if I was a college recruiter.


You can try to prepare you kids the best you can and raise them to do the right thing but they still might not make the correct decision. Kids are kids and hormones are hormones. By the way, Preacher's kids are usually one of the wildest!! Kids will rebel and kids make dumb decisions. One should not be branded for life just because mommy or daddy of the girl could not accept that their daughter was just as guilty as the slightly older boy was.

[implacable44]

" Originally Posted by StormingCowboy
As Christian men particular, as Christian fathers, we are called to teach our children the ways of the Lord, and I'm sure most of us do; that is our daughters as well as our sons. As we teach them, we pray that they will take heed to what we teach them about morals, but unfortunately they follow their raging hormones and the ways of this sexual revolutionized society instead(just like most of us did).

And when our precious little 15 year old daughters, who we hope save themselves for marriage, open their legs, it tends to hurt us and we tend to want to hurt the person who our precious "babies" laid with because surely they were persuaded and used.

I'm pretty sure this could've been the mindset if this girl's family.




That is right on the button!! very true post"


no that is not right on the button. That post implies that this little girl is guilty and could not possibly be taken advantage of. We dont know the facts but lets look at it this way - 15 yr old girl - 19 yr old man athlete pays attention to her. She is already consumed in the highschool life as a freshmen and a senior star football player wants to talk to her. she is starry eyed -- gaga -- goo goo and she is easily controlled and manipulated. - on the other - she could be fully cognisant on what is going on and be the pursuer with full intent to sleep with the football player for status etc.. either way the blame and the fault lies with the 19 yr old because the law is written and the law is known to the public and the the 19 yr old - ( be it male or female) - the fault lies with the legal adult to not sleep with the minor child.

[dada]

if it was my son I would have raised him differently and he wouldnt be stupid enough to have sex with a 15-yr old girl when he was a 19 yr old man in high school - what the heck is he doing in highschool at 19 anyway -- hopefully my son will have learned some morals and values like my parents taught me - I got married at 29 and didnt have sex prior to marraige and I have a whole heck of a lot of friends who did the same thing. It happens and there is something you can do about it - raise your children right - and then there is always the law.

look at the cowboy chiming in - sounds like you might have had a personal experience with this type of situation ? - I don't think anyone knows the facts and there are plenty of girls who are manipulative in this world - who knows if this was the case or not - as a general rule though 19 yr old men do not have sex with 15 yr old girls and to me - that is a character trait in this kid that I would not want in my system if I was a college recruiter.
Trust me...there is nothing wrong with that and I appalud YOU....but you are the minortity in this situtation...if everyone did it that way...the world would be a better place. But the world is not perfect and I cant knock everyone who did things differently than I did. You're right...why is a 19 year old in high school...maybe he just turned 19...I wouldn't say this is the warning sign that this guy is gonna be a child molseter. We can do our best to raise our children right and HOPE they do what is best...but we all know that's not the case. Like I say...take away the ages...you have two high school kids....but all of a sudden one is a child and one is a man....men shouldnt be allowed to play High school football if that's the case. This is areal touchy subject and we would need to know all the facts...maybe he dumped her and this was her way of getting even.....who knows....but I would say this high school get deserved to even be arrested.

[implacable44]

pack you dont know if she was guilty and the law specifically says she is not as guilty.

[StormingCowboy]

It she were my daughter I would whoop her ***.


LOL!!!

[dada]

" Originally Posted by StormingCowboy
As Christian men particular, as Christian fathers, we are called to teach our children the ways of the Lord, and I'm sure most of us do; that is our daughters as well as our sons. As we teach them, we pray that they will take heed to what we teach them about morals, but unfortunately they follow their raging hormones and the ways of this sexual revolutionized society instead(just like most of us did).

And when our precious little 15 year old daughters, who we hope save themselves for marriage, open their legs, it tends to hurt us and we tend to want to hurt the person who our precious "babies" laid with because surely they were persuaded and used.

I'm pretty sure this could've been the mindset if this girl's family.




That is right on the button!! very true post"


no that is not right on the button. That post implies that this little girl is guilty and could not possibly be taken advantage of. We dont know the facts but lets look at it this way - 15 yr old girl - 19 yr old man athlete pays attention to her. She is already consumed in the highschool life as a freshmen and a senior star football player wants to talk to her. she is starry eyed -- gaga -- goo goo and she is easily controlled and manipulated. - on the other - she could be fully cognisant on what is going on and be the pursuer with full intent to sleep with the football player for status etc.. either way the blame and the fault lies with the 19 yr old because the law is written and the law is known to the public and the the 19 yr old - ( be it male or female) - the fault lies with the legal adult to not sleep with the minor child.
WE KNOW THE LAWS...but honestly..do you think High School kids who are dating while in school brush up on the statutory **** laws??

[SLCDad]

. . . . She knows what she is doing also!! It is usually dad's like some of you that freak smooth out when they find out their little innocent daughter is having consensual sex with an older boy and decide to press charges on the boy even though the girl was just as guilty. Yes i agree that morals have went downhill in this very liberal society but you are not going to convince me that this is fair.I disagee that she knows what she is doing. She may think she does, but in reality she has no clue. I agree that he should not be branded for life. He should be held accountable and then be allowed to put this behind him with a clean slate.

Of course, if he were 1st team all-state then I think we should brush it all under the carpet and forget the whole thing. :D

[DragonFan]

Unfortunatly this is not a new thing! Back in 1976 I attended a school in Macon Ga that issued Sharpie like magic markers to the girls so that if they were attacked they could mark up the person doing the attacking and the teachers and administrators could spot the attacker. The girls started marking some kids for kicks and others for offenses such as looking at another girl! It was a good idea but it was taken out of context and a lot of kids got into trouble just for being at the wrong place.

These kids at Haltom were pretending to be adults and therefore will have to face the adult concequenses. If it is the parents who are getting in the middle of this to prove a point then the parents have taken a law out of context and are trying to hurt someone for their own failures.

I will bet that most of the people on this board, when 15-19 years old, were given the oppurtunity to have sex with a girl would have jumped on it (no pun intended), without thinking once about the possible concequenses. The biggest problem I have with this is that with the sexually charged multimedia that exsists today, and a president that made it OK to have oral sex, the old morals have disappeared. The old morals were not perfect but the new age where if they put out you should take advantage is worse.

My son in Middle School has a good friend who is female who has been treated very badly by boys because she has a very nice figuare and is fairly nieave about it. All the boys want to do is touch her and all she wants to do is be friends. It seems that the boys figuare if its there then it must be for them. That is a frighting mind set!

[dada]

pack you dont know if she was guilty and the law specifically says she is not as guilty.
So the only reason he is guilty is because of his age...even though he is still in high school?

[implacable44]

how can there be no punishment for a crime ? imagine the trend you would set and the precedent - I am not saying this kids life should be ruined forever either and obviously -0-at least to me - there was some hesitancy because it doesnt take 2 months to find people and I am sure he knew that the report was made - I think he knew anyways. I don't think he should be labeled for life either but a claim has been made and a warrant was issued for his arrest and now it becomes a legal matter and there is precedent and the right thing to do is not to let the kid go without punishment because then you are going to have issues going forward. 19 yr old sleeps with 14 yr old - 19 yr old sleeps with 13 yr old etc. I mean where does it end ?

[dada]

how can there be no punishment for a crime ? imagine the trend you would set and the precedent - I am not saying this kids life should be ruined forever either and obviously -0-at least to me - there was some hesitancy because it doesnt take 2 months to find people and I am sure he knew that the report was made - I think he knew anyways. I don't think he should be labeled for life either but a claim has been made and a warrant was issued for his arrest and now it becomes a legal matter and there is precedent and the right thing to do is not to let the kid go without punishment because then you are going to have issues going forward. 19 yr old sleeps with 14 yr old - 19 yr old sleeps with 13 yr old etc. I mean where does it end ?
This is one of those situations where even with the law it's a judgement call. 19-13 is WRONG.....I graduated when i was 17 so I will assume the girl is a sophmore ir Junior 19-15(Sr-soph/Jr) by LAW yeah it's wrong...but look at the circumstances...these are two HIGH SCHOOL KIDS..I think the Parents should decide on punishment...and the arresst, police report, news report...etc is taking it too far. I can see if this was some guy not in school hanging around campus picking up on girls...but he attends the school also.

[implacable44]

yes dada that is what the law says -- stunning -- did you just have an epiphany -- amazing - he/she is 19 and the other party is a minority than yes the age is the only difference - -AMAZING --- ding ding ding ding -0 tell him what he won bob -....

I would not have jumped on the chance because my mother taught me to respect myself and my father taught me to respect women / girls.

[pack0808]

how can there be no punishment for a crime ? imagine the trend you would set and the precedent - I am not saying this kids life should be ruined forever either and obviously -0-at least to me - there was some hesitancy because it doesnt take 2 months to find people and I am sure he knew that the report was made - I think he knew anyways. I don't think he should be labeled for life either but a claim has been made and a warrant was issued for his arrest and now it becomes a legal matter and there is precedent and the right thing to do is not to let the kid go without punishment because then you are going to have issues going forward. 19 yr old sleeps with 14 yr old - 19 yr old sleeps with 13 yr old etc. I mean where does it end ?

You make a good point but that is why the law should be rewritten. The law should make obvious common sense judgement calls on each case. It should not be black and white is all i am saying. Of course a 18 or 19 year old having sex with a 13 year old is a completley different story and judges should be able to use their common sense on each case. Well i do not know if some judges have common sense these days?? Some ignore the constitution and the will of the people so i do not know if i want to give them more power?? :eek: ;) That is a completely different subject.

[implacable44]

you think the parents should decide on the punishment ? how in the world would that conversation take place ? -

"sir you son had sex with my daughter and she is underage"

" I am sorry - what shall we do to make it right"

" well how about he has to come cut the grass in my yard for the next 5 years and take the trash out for the next 3 and maybe you could ground him for 2 years and take away his cell phone"

what?

[pack0808]

What?? I said the judges not the parents?? It should not be a black and white type of rule is all i am saying. I have a feeling you will argue and preach to us all day with your high morals so i better go to lunch. Take care!! I probably agree with you on the vast majority of issues but not this one. My father and i disagree on this one also.

[StormingCowboy]

yes dada that is what the law says -- stunning -- did you just have an epiphany -- amazing - he/she is 19 and the other party is a minority than yes the age is the only difference - -AMAZING --- ding ding ding ding -0 tell him what he won bob -....

I would not have jumped on the chance because my mother taught me to respect myself and my father taught me to respect women / girls.


You are definitely a model for society!

I think most kids go left intentionally when their parents say go right!

[dada]

yes dada that is what the law says -- stunning -- did you just have an epiphany -- amazing - he/she is 19 and the other party is a minority than yes the age is the only difference - -AMAZING --- ding ding ding ding -0 tell him what he won bob -....

I would not have jumped on the chance because my mother taught me to respect myself and my father taught me to respect women / girls.
But at the time these laws were made...Elvis was making 'Devil music", women were frowned upon when the wore skirts or two piece bathing suits. Like I said believe it or not you are a minority this day and age....times have changed and not necsarrily for the better. IF everyone did it the RIGHT way...we wouldnt have this discussion...but everyone didnt grow up in your household. Some laws ARE wrong and sometimes MORALS are confused with LAWS....was what he did unmoral YES...I wouldnt say he broke the law....not in 2005.

[pack0808]

You are definitely a model for society!

I think most kids go left intentionally when their parents say go right!


Bingo!!

[implacable44]

pack - that post was not for you -- it was for dada who said the parents should decide. - you can disagree all you want but the law is the law and common sense judges have already decided on similar cases because a statute was written and if I had $100 to my name I would bet that this kid was well aware of the statue as the vast majority of kids are.

[dada]

you think the parents should decide on the punishment ? how in the world would that conversation take place ? -

"sir you son had sex with my daughter and she is underage"

" I am sorry - what shall we do to make it right"

" well how about he has to come cut the grass in my yard for the next 5 years and take the trash out for the next 3 and maybe you could ground him for 2 years and take away his cell phone"

what?
UNDER AGE....A few more months she can drive...is this a case of Daddy's little girl being an angel...how can you sit two high school kids....teenagers next to each other and call one a "Child" who knows no better and the other a "MAN".....it's crazy.

[pack0808]

pack - that post was not for you -- it was for dada who said the parents should decide. - you can disagree all you want but the law is the law and common sense judges have already decided on similar cases because a statute was written and if I had $100 to my name I would bet that this kid was well aware of the statue as the vast majority of kids are.


A law is a law but it can be changed for the better!! When you have 18 or 20 year olds doing major jail time and getting branded for life as a sexual predator for having consensual sex with a girl a few years younger then him something is wrong. I understand you have to draw a line somewhere and that if they do not enforce the law it will be pointless but some need to be changed a little if they use common sense.

[dada]

pack - that post was not for you -- it was for dada who said the parents should decide. - you can disagree all you want but the law is the law and common sense judges have already decided on similar cases because a statute was written and if I had $100 to my name I would bet that this kid was well aware of the statue as the vast majority of kids are.
And I still say...this could have been handled with out the police....when she gets to college and is 21 and decides to marry a 40 year old man...we will frown at it, but there is no law saying she cant do it. Laws should be consitent...not based on morals.

[owldog]

I hope EVRY COACH AND PARENT THAT IS COMMENTING IS PRINTING THIS ARTICEL AND SHOWING IT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.

This is real life and this has happened before many times, so the bottom line is no matter how horny you are, think is this worth ruining my life over, no matter what the girl or boy is promising. should be a quick cold shower thought. Aides, STD , Pregancy does not seem to scare the kids from having sex maybe the thougt of being RUINED/JAIL for life will.

[implacable44]

you stand alone in that - because the law is written and it varies by state.

[implacable44]

when she is 20 she is a consenting adult -0 the law is meant to protect the innocent. the law recognizes her as a minor and I can't believe you people are justifying a 19 yr old man - I again want to know what the heck he is doing in highschool anyway - with a 15 yr old girl. What did you know when you were 15?

Our society is worse off because of thoughts like yours - everyone is doing it - -it is the norm so the law should be changed. - it is a state law and several states have made changes to it. I doubt it will ever get to 15 though - I pray it doesnt - what do you mean she is about to drive? she can drive so she can have sex with men ? - he is only 19 - so what if he was 20 or 24 ? then would it be wrong in your mind ? where is the line in your mind ? see the law isn't written to your mind - it is written to the reasonable man.

[dada]

you stand alone in that - because the law is written and it varies by state.
It varies by state because people have different opinions...just like you an myself. What I mean by the law should be consistent..is like speeding...speeding should be speeding no matter how you look at it...in a sports car or mini van...speeding is speeding. This law isnt consistent because the same state that is enforcing this law that a 19 year old can be with a 15 year old is the same state that puts its stamp of approval on the marraige liscense of a 20 year old marrying a 50 year old.

[implacable44]

because the 20 yr old is a consenting adult - graduated from highschool and probably 2 years in college. she is 20 - passed through puberty for the most part and an adult and here you are comparing a scenario with two adults to one with a minor and an adult. It makes no sense. SHE IS A MINOR let me repeat it so you might grasp it - MINOR MINOR MINOR MINOR MINOR MINOR MINOR - not to even go into your acceptance of the sexual deviance - she is a minor.

[FootballJunkie]

It varies by state because people have different opinions...just like you an myself. What I mean by the law should be consistent..is like speeding...speeding should be speeding no matter how you look at it...in a sports car or mini van...speeding is speeding. This law isnt consistent because the same state that is enforcing this law that a 19 year old can be with a 15 year old is the same state that puts its stamp of approval on the marraige liscense of a 20 year old marrying a 50 year old.


You are so right. If this was Pennsylvania or some other states that I know of this would not even be an issue. Here is an example:


Pennsylvania Age of Sexual Consent: 14
**** to engage in sexual intercourse with a complainant who is less than 13 years of age.

**** to engage in deviate sexual intercourse with a complainant who is less than (1) 13 years of age or (2) 16 years of age and the actor is four or more years older.

It is unfortunate that this had to happen to the young man but on the other hand, if he is 19 it would seem he would want to have that type of relationship with someone closer to his own age.

[dada]

when she is 20 she is a consenting adult -0 the law is meant to protect the innocent. the law recognizes her as a minor and I can't believe you people are justifying a 19 yr old man - I again want to know what the heck he is doing in highschool anyway - with a 15 yr old girl. What did you know when you were 15?

Our society is worse off because of thoughts like yours - everyone is doing it - -it is the norm so the law should be changed. - it is a state law and several states have made changes to it. I doubt it will ever get to 15 though - I pray it doesnt - what do you mean she is about to drive? she can drive so she can have sex with men ? - he is only 19 - so what if he was 20 or 24 ? then would it be wrong in your mind ? where is the line in your mind ? see the law isn't written to your mind - it is written to the reasonable man.
15 years old...1990 I KNEW right from wrong...I was working, driving..having sex...etc...I'm not gonna make excuses for a 15 year old girl and call her innocent based on her age and I'm not gonna call a 19 year old guilty based on his age. LAW AND MORALS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS....If I grew up in a household to where my parents say I have to be in bed by 9...I'm gonna beleive that, but I'm not gonna ask the law to arrest everyone who could stay up late...As in EVERYTHING...even child custody battles...the WOMAN...no matter what is always the Victim...when its he vs. she...the man is already scum of the earth.

[SeguinMatadors]

if it was my son I would have raised him differently and he wouldnt be stupid enough to have sex with a 15-yr old girl when he was a 19 yr old man in high school - what the heck is he doing in highschool at 19 anyway -- hopefully my son will have learned some morals and values like my parents taught me - I got married at 29 and didnt have sex prior to marraige and I have a whole heck of a lot of friends who did the same thing. It happens and there is something you can do about it - raise your children right - and then there is always the law.

look at the cowboy chiming in - sounds like you might have had a personal experience with this type of situation ? - I don't think anyone knows the facts and there are plenty of girls who are manipulative in this world - who knows if this was the case or not - as a general rule though 19 yr old men do not have sex with 15 yr old girls and to me - that is a character trait in this kid that I would not want in my system if I was a college recruiter.

Now you are attacking the kid’s parents? Don't be naive implaccable. There is but so much you can do as a parent; teens will be teens. You have no idea how kids are these days. I have good friends who have parents just like you. Blind parents, out of touch with reality parents, Stupid parents. They think their kids are perfect little angels because they "brought them up right", but they are not. My friends dad is a minister and a very good man who thinks his kid is some kind of second coming but he doesn’t know that when his kid is at his friends house on the weekend he goes out and does the same things we all do. Fact is, there is no sure fire way to assure your kid is going to grow up and make all the right choices. You can be a good parent and your Teen will have a better chance of making the right decisions but you can’t be with them all the time and teens will be teens. Teens will make mistakes and if you were more in touch with reality you wouldn’t have such an ignorant view.

[implacable44]

this seems to be very personal for you - exeprience? divorce? - anyway - the law is the law - your parents telling you to be in bed by 9 and sex with a minor are different - vastly different-- the law calls him guilty - if he was 29 would he be guilty and if so why ? - what is the difference but age ? - what about 39 ? 59? -

[ktchamp97]

First of all, I sincerely appreciate y'all keeping this discussion thoughtful and civil...this is a very complex and controversial issue, but this has been a great thread.

Wow, where to begin?...

Really, the article doesn't give us nearly enough details to accurately assess the right/wrong, justice/injustice of this particular case. Like several of you have pointed out, it could have been consensual, but later the girl decided to get back at him...Or, he could have truly taken advantage of her...we really don't know. It's hard for me to say that this situation is sad, because he may well deserve what's coming to him...again, we just don't know. The fact is, his name has already been dragged through the mud and his reputation has taken a serious hit no matter how the judge finds.

If they were, in fact, having consensual sex, then, yes, this would be a VERY sad situation...on many different levels. We would all like to believe that our kids don't have sex in high school...especially in the situation where our 15 year old daughter is having sex with a 19 year old, or where our son is having sex with a 15 year old girl...both would be extremely alarming and very saddening. I'm going to do all I can to make sure my kids are educated enough and mature enough to, hopefully, not get themselves in those situations...very, very little good can come out of it, while the consequences are many and life-altering.

The other thing that would be sad, if the sex was consensual, is that once the female decides to press charges, the guys' life is esentially and unjustly ruined. Even if the guy is found innocent, his reputation has been scarred forever. I think the law has to protect the women (especially younger ones), but there have been, and will continue to be, cases where certain women take advantage of that and they know they can easily and quickly ruin a guys' life.

The main thing this case illustrates is the need for parents to educate teenagers about the potential consequences of having sex so that they can make better decisions. If they're going to do it despite parental advice, moral teachings, etc...they will at least have heard all of that advice and hopefully they'll sincerely consider what they're about to do.

All that said, I would LOVE to have a daughter one day, but at the same time, I know what guys are like...even the good ones...at that age and it will be a terrifying experience...my little girl may not have much of a HS social life :D, or at least it will be closely, microscopically monitored.

If I have a son, he won't have it much better...I'm going to expect alot out of him and he's going to know it.

Anyway, I think that's enough out of me...

[dada]

this seems to be very personal for you - exeprience? divorce? - anyway - the law is the law - your parents telling you to be in bed by 9 and sex with a minor are different - vastly different-- the law calls him guilty - if he was 29 would he be guilty and if so why ? - what is the difference but age ? - what about 39 ? 59? -
No..not from experince...it's just that everyone is so caught up in PC stuff and laws made in the 50's that no one has judgement or common sense anymore....by LAW it's a 19 year old and 15 year old...when this law was made...19 year olds went in school...off to war, smoking drinking...etc..and 15 year old girls where living in the church.....this is 2005 and I cant let a law take away my common sense....

[SeguinMatadors]

UNDER AGE....A few more months she can drive...is this a case of Daddy's little girl being an angel...how can you sit two high school kids....teenagers next to each other and call one a "Child" who knows no better and the other a "MAN".....it's crazy.

Exactly.

[implacable44]

woah -- football junkie - slow your roll - don't google something and find an old article and pretent to post it as current law - the law in PA is 16 and that is the youngest age anywhere and the majority of the states have age-gap requirements. - don't post garbage on this debate about being 14. - get better sources, get educated or get off the topic.

Seguin- I will ignore the fact you are from Seguin and speak to you anyway - the only good thing to come out of Seguin is Andre Pitts - well and I had a few friends play for TLU and I gre up with the Coach Oswald and administrator Huntsman is a friend - I guess Seguin is alright - anyway - suffice it to say I am not attacking parents as we are dealing in hypotheticals and assumptions - because we have no facts except the written law. I am not naive and you should not pretend to know what kind of parent I am - If I am a parent of if I am in or out of tune with reality.

[FootballJunkie]

15 years old...1990 I KNEW right from wrong...I was working, driving..having sex...etc...I'm not gonna make excuses for a 15 year old girl and call her innocent based on her age and I'm not gonna call a 19 year old guilty based on his age. LAW AND MORALS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS....If I grew up in a household to where my parents say I have to be in bed by 9...I'm gonna beleive that, but I'm not gonna ask the law to arrest everyone who could stay up late...As in EVERYTHING...even child custody battles...the WOMAN...no matter what is always the Victim...when its he vs. she...the man is already scum of the earth.

I would agree with you except for the fact he WAS 19 and being that you are considered an ADULT at 18 why would he even be interested in a 15 year old. Although there are states that allow such relationships my question would be why would he even want to. I mean at 19 I was in college and the last thing on my mind would be looking for a 15 year old sophomore in high school to date. Consensual or not you have to really think about what was going through his mine.

[implacable44]

so is common sense defined these days as " what dada thinks is acceptable behavior" - maybe you should run for the senate or become a judge since your common sense is greater than all those who came before you and made these laws and established them over time with precedent and practice.

[dada]

This is a touchy subject as it is with Politics, religion and raising kids...I try to stay out of those arguments...
All I'm saying is that in some cases all Laws arent moral and all moral aren't (or shouldnt be) laws.

This if anything is a judgement call based on the situation and cirumstanses...I kid in high school by law cant date high school girls? But he can compete with 15 year old boys in high school sports? It needs to be consistent.

[dada]

so is common sense defined these days as " what dada thinks is acceptable behavior" - maybe you should run for the senate or become a judge since your common sense is greater than all those who came before you and made these laws and established them over time with precedent and practice.
No...its not what I think...I understand that one person should be punished on something someone was brought up to belive. Like I say..I'm not saying it's right...but like someone else said...you're putting this kid in the SAME catagory of sick 50 year old ice cream truch drivers who prey on 7-8 year old kids....the law dosent "see" that these are TWO KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL...not a "CHILD" and a "MAN"

[implacable44]

competing in football and having sex are two different things - one is sport and the other is life one has wins and losses - potentially injuries -0 the other has STD's, pregnancies - potential abortions - potential o government assistance - etc.. one has social problems attached to it and the other does not.

[Fleeman93]

Is 18 and 15 ok?

[implacable44]

depends on the state law and in texas that would be a no.

if you are asking me it is not a question of age it is a question of married , not married.

[Fleeman93]

Same situation as the topic but 18 and 15.

[dada]

depends on the state law and in texas that would be a no.

if you are asking me it is not a question of age it is a question of married , not married.
NOW we are getting somewhere :)
It's not about age...it's about MORALS....married/not married. Morals=beliefs
Laws shouldnt be based on beliefs.

[FootballJunkie]

woah -- football junkie - slow your roll - don't google something and find an old article and pretent to post it as current law - the law in PA is 16 and that is the youngest age anywhere and the majority of the states have age-gap requirements. - don't post garbage on this debate about being 14. - get better sources, get educated or get off the topic.

Seguin- I will ignore the fact you are from Seguin and speak to you anyway - the only good thing to come out of Seguin is Andre Pitts - well and I had a few friends play for TLU and I gre up with the Coach Oswald and administrator Huntsman is a friend - I guess Seguin is alright - anyway - suffice it to say I am not attacking parents as we are dealing in hypotheticals and assumptions - because we have no facts except the written law. I am not naive and you should not pretend to know what kind of parent I am - If I am a parent of if I am in or out of tune with reality.

Pretty educated or so they tell me anyway. If you can prove my facts are wrong then do so and I will retract otherwise what are you saying. If you read carefully it says age of consent is 14 and I picked that state because of a similar debate in the Harrisburg area in which this exact same thing happend only the girl got pregnant so I am familiar with this topic outside of Texas. Like I said if you can PROVE me wrong I will retract. If I am wrong I can admit it but I don't think that I am.

[implacable44]

then texas law says no

[implacable44]

no we are not getting somewhere - somewhere would be how this is personal to you then right ? - your apparent distrust of women - or somewhere would be - competing in football and having sex are two different things - one is sport and the other is life one has wins and losses - potentially injuries -0 the other has STD's, pregnancies - potential abortions - potential o government assistance - etc.. one has social problems attached to it and the other does not.

fjunkie - so who tells you ? anyway - look up the pennsylvania state statute -
this is long - sorry -

AGE OF
SEXUAL Consent:
STATE CONSENT
ALABAMA 16

ALASKA 16

ARIZONA 18

ARKANSAS 16

CALIFORNIA 18

COLORADO 17

CONNECTICUT 16

DELAWARE 18


DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 16

FLORIDA 18


GEORGIA 16

HAWAII 16

IDAHO 18

ILLINOIS 17

INDIANA 16

IOWA 16

KANSAS 16

KENTUCKY 16

LOUISIANA 17

MAINE 16

MARYLAND 16

MASSACHUSETTS 16

MICHIGAN 16

MINNESOTA 16

MISSISSIPPI 16

MISSOURI 17

MONTANA 16

NEBRASKA 17

NEVADA 16

NEW HAMPSHIRE 16

NEW JERSEY 16

NEW MEXICO 17

NEW YORK 17

NORTH CAROLINA 16

NORTH DAKOTA 18

OHIO 16

OKLAHOMA 16

OREGON 18

PENNSYLVANIA 16

RHODE ISLAND 16

SOUTH CAROLINA 16*

SOUTH DAKOTA 16

TENNESSEE 18

TEXAS 17

UTAH 18

VERMONT 16

VIRGINIA 18

WASHINGTON 18

WEST VIRGINIA 16

WISCONSIN 18

WYOMING 16*

[dada]

no we are not getting somewhere - somewhere would be how this is personal to you then right ? - your apparent distrust of women - or somewhere would be - competing in football and having sex are two different things - one is sport and the other is life one has wins and losses - potentially injuries -0 the other has STD's, pregnancies - potential abortions - potential o government assistance - etc.. one has social problems attached to it and the other does not.

fjunkie - so who tells you ? anyway - look up the pennsylvania state statute -
this is long - sorry -

AGE OF
SEXUAL Consent:
STATE CONSENT
ALABAMA 16

ALASKA 16

ARIZONA 18

ARKANSAS 16

CALIFORNIA 18

COLORADO 17

CONNECTICUT 16

DELAWARE 18


DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 16

FLORIDA 18


GEORGIA 16

HAWAII 16

IDAHO 18

ILLINOIS 17

INDIANA 16

IOWA 16

KANSAS 16

KENTUCKY 16

LOUISIANA 17

MAINE 16

MARYLAND 16

MASSACHUSETTS 16

MICHIGAN 16

MINNESOTA 16

MISSISSIPPI 16

MISSOURI 17

MONTANA 16

NEBRASKA 17

NEVADA 16

NEW HAMPSHIRE 16

NEW JERSEY 16

NEW MEXICO 17

NEW YORK 17

NORTH CAROLINA 16

NORTH DAKOTA 18

OHIO 16

OKLAHOMA 16

OREGON 18

PENNSYLVANIA 16

RHODE ISLAND 16

SOUTH CAROLINA 16*

SOUTH DAKOTA 16

TENNESSEE 18

TEXAS 17

UTAH 18

VERMONT 16

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WASHINGTON 18

WEST VIRGINIA 16

WISCONSIN 18

WYOMING 16*
Distrust of women? Far from it....Laws are made by humans...humans have opinions..some laws are common sense...some are and were made by people and THEIR beleives and leave room for you to choose common sense and judgement. If this boy was 15 and the girl was 19.....would the police be involved???

[implacable44]

yes - and they should be - havent you seen all the cases on the news of female teachers going to jail for sleeping with minor students?

[CentexMom]

yes - and they should be - havent you seen all the cases on the news of female teachers going to jail for sleeping with minor students?

Male or Female I find it disturbing for an Adult and yes I think at 19 he was an adult to be engaged in that type of behavior with a child and yes 15 is a child. Will you people still defend him when he is 25 with a 15 year old or how about 30 with a 15 year old. This type of behavior should not be condoned. Self control should be observed and if parents took the time to supervise and teach their children this would not be an issue.

[dada]

yes - and they should be - havent you seen all the cases on the news of female teachers going to jail for sleeping with minor students?
High profile cases...yes..everyday situations like this no.....one of the teacher recently married one of the boys.....

[dada]

Male or Female I find it disturbing for an Adult and yes I think at 19 he was an adult to be engaged in that type of behavior with a child and yes 15 is a child. Will you people still defend him when he is 25 with a 15 year old or how about 30 with a 15 year old. This type of behavior should not be condoned. Self control should be observed and if parents took the time to supervise and teach their children this would not be an issue.
20 and 15 is unaccebtable....it's pure judgement....

[implacable44]

she married him after she served her sentence -

20 and 15 is not acceptable but 19 and 15 is ? it is just 1 year - how is your judgment pure judgment ? elaborate why it is not acceptable at 20 and 15 but it is acceptable at 19 and 15

[CentexMom]

15 years old...1990 I KNEW right from wrong...I was working, driving..having sex...etc...I'm not gonna make excuses for a 15 year old girl and call her innocent based on her age and I'm not gonna call a 19 year old guilty based on his age. LAW AND MORALS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS....If I grew up in a household to where my parents say I have to be in bed by 9...I'm gonna beleive that, but I'm not gonna ask the law to arrest everyone who could stay up late...As in EVERYTHING...even child custody battles...the WOMAN...no matter what is always the Victim...when its he vs. she...the man is already scum of the earth.


You seem bitter toward women. Did you lose a custody battle?? Are you paying alimony?? Regardless your reason for being bitter I would just ask you what would you do if you found a 19 year old man with your 15 year old daughter?? Perhaps if you look it from that aspect you will see the reason for the laws because it is obvious you have no morals.

[dada]

she married him after she served her sentence -

20 and 15 is not acceptable but 19 and 15 is ? it is just 1 year - how is your judgment pure judgment ? elaborate why it is not acceptable at 20 and 15 but it is acceptable at 19 and 15
With Judgement...this 19 year old is a student at this school....the same school as his "Girlfriend" now...as far as we know he could have been 18 when it happened...Stop looking at the NUMBERS 15 and 19 and look more at the situation. We know have a highschool child and a highschool man....

[dada]

You seem bitter toward women. Did you lose a custody battle?? Are you paying alimony?? Regardless your reason for being bitter I would just ask you what would you do if you found a 19 year old man with your 15 year old daughter?? Perhaps if you look it from that aspect you will see the reason for the laws because it is obvious you have no morals.
No...I take GOOD CARE of my son...and even if Ididnt have custody I wouldnt need a court order telling me that I had to take care of my son...I dont know you so I'm not gonna attack your "Morals" so with the old saying..."If I can't find anything nice to say........"..Have a good day my fair lady. :cool:

[implacable44]

When I was in school there were two kids that turned 20 before they graduated so by your rationale it would be okay if they were sleeping with their freshmen girlfriend 14 or 15 yrs old. ????

[dada]

When I was in school there were two kids that turned 20 before they graduated so by your rationale it would be okay if they were sleeping with their freshmen girlfriend 14 or 15 yrs old. ????
I finised at 17 and was on my second tour by 20...so I cant relate....I see a high school Sr and an underclassmen. I guess its true when they say we are all just sheep.

[implacable44]

so you dont answer the question - in your mind - in that situation 20 and 15 would be acceptable - or even 20 and 14.

i finished at 17 too.

[FootballJunkie]

I finised at 17 and was on my second tour by 20...so I cant relate....I see a high school Sr and an underclassmen.

You should see a 19 year old man and a 15 year old child. Why is he still in high school at that age anyway.

[dada]

so you dont answer the question - in your mind - in that situation 20 and 15 would be acceptable - or even 20 and 14.

i finished at 17 too.
All I'm saying...for a SECOND...forget the numbers look at the sitution. High School sr....high school sophmore at the least.

[ktchamp97]

All I'm saying...for a SECOND...forget the numbers look at the sitution

I don't know what age is OK, but 15 year olds shouldn't be having sex, period...that is one number you can look at.

[DragonFan]

To be honest, it is hard to tell the age of kids these days. The style of clothes, makeup, attitude, a girl can be 14 or 19 and it is hard to tell. it used to be that a 14 year old girl would not be allowed to dress like the girls in the MTV video's. Now it is acceptable for midriffs and belly button rings at increassing younger ages. All the signs of maturity have been blured by the need of the young to look older!

The facts in this case are vauge at best. Should a 19 year old have sex with a 15 year old, Not is a perfect world. Do Seniors take advantage of Freshmen and Sophmores? yes they do. Do all Seniors take advantage of Freshmen and Sophmores? No. Is this an isolated case? No. Is it a case that made the news because the kid is a semi-celebrity? Yes. It is a clear cut case? No. Are we, as a society convicted because of a case such as this? Time will tell.

[Northshore Stang Parent06]

i think we are looking at the wrong picture here. Although this is a terrible situation would it even have been brought up if the young man wasn't a football player? What is he even doing playing football anyway at 19 years of age isn't he too old? I thought the uil had rules on the subject. :confused:

[Blitzkreig]

An unfortunate circumstance for all involved. Laws throughout the land were promulgated to help eliminate from society those that prey on the underaged (per statute), immature, and vulnerable. Unfortunately, they will never be 100% effective...only sure things in life continue to be old age, and taxes. Unfortunately there are “collateral” consequences involved with these civil actions…they really do a number on the "accused” as well as the "accuser". For all practical purposes they are really put on ice, both short and long term. Similar situation occurred last Spring when a fine young area scholar/athlete was accused, banished from his sports program, and not allowed to patrticipate in graduation. This week all charges were dropped for lack of evidence. No indication of the obvious psychological/life impact on the young lady. The damage done to all involved is forever. Sad indeed. Don’t know what the answer is. Do know we can’t legislate good judgement or preclude sexual attraction, whether it be consentual or otherwise. All we can do is do our most to install "moral compasses", reinforce them, and pray for the best.

[dragonsdaddy]

i think we are looking at the wrong picture here. Although this is a terrible situation would it even have been brought up if the young man wasn't a football player? What is he even doing playing football anyway at 19 years of age isn't he too old? I thought the uil had rules on the subject. :confused:
as long as he didn't turn 19 until 1 sept i believe, it's ok.

[dada]

i think we are looking at the wrong picture here. Although this is a terrible situation would it even have been brought up if the young man wasn't a football player? What is he even doing playing football anyway at 19 years of age isn't he too old? I thought the uil had rules on the subject. :confused:
Exellent point. I could be wrong, but I dont think 19 years olds can compete unless an exception has been made by the UIL...if that's the case...this story loses credibility.

[bullrock]

DaDa..I can see your point and I can see implaccables. Remember something. You are fixing to be the father of a new daughter. We've already had this discussion in another thread. How many of us have been in the same situation? Unless you card them all you are a potential victim unless you ABSTAIN. Todays world is a lot different than the world I grew up in. I was watching TV last night with my wife. I believe the show was...heck I can't remember. They are all alike these days. Anyway, the girls in the show are Juniors in high school and jumping their boyfriends like bar climbers in strip joint! I'm appalled at this kind of behavior. And to let it be shown on Prime Time???!! What are the kids supposed to think these days? I have three daughters that I am very proud of. My youngest is 20 years old, a Junior in college. Regardless of what anyone says, we all know our kids. There isn't much they can hide from their parents. The signs are there if you care to look. I knew when my kids were doing things I didn't condone, but I had faith that they would be careful about what they were doing because I taught them to know there are consequences for all actions. So far, so good. It's easy for us to condemn this boy or this girl, but I beleive they are a product of our society. Somewhere along the line we forgot what separates humans from primates and dogs. The lesson we can learn from this incident is to teach our kids what they will face in a similar situation and hope to God they hear us.

[Thor]

After reading the majority of these posts , people are discussing consent. But from the charge on the original post it stated SEXUAL ASSAULT. Not statutory ****.

In any case a 19 year old man should not be having any type of pysical relationship with a 15 year old girl. And please to any male HS student posting on this site that thinks its alright for for this type of activities to occur. Reply back to me when your daughter becomes 15(in the distant future please) and let me know that your happy that your daughter has found a 19 year old man that she is working out her sexual fantacies with. Or maybe your little 15 year old sister experimenting with a college freshman/sophmore(19 years old).

A 15 year old girl might think she is ready for such activities , but it ends up most of the time either children raiseing children or grandparents raising grandkids. Or in this case a 19 year old man going off to the big house instead of the dorm.

[dada]

DaDa..I can see your point and I can see implaccables. Remember something. You are fixing to be the father of a new daughter. We've already had this discussion in another thread. How many of us have been in the same situation? Unless you card them all you are a potential victim unless you ABSTAIN. Todays world is a lot different than the world I grew up in. I was watching TV last night with my wife. I believe the show was...heck I can't remember. They are all alike these days. Anyway, the girls in the show are Juniors in high school and jumping their boyfriends like bar climbers in strip joint! I'm appalled at this kind of behavior. And to let it be shown on Prime Time???!! What are the kids supposed to think these days? I have three daughters that I am very proud of. My youngest is 20 years old, a Junior in college. Regardless of what anyone says, we all know our kids. There isn't much they can hide from their parents. The signs are there if you care to look. I knew when my kids were doing things I didn't condone, but I had faith that they would be careful about what they were doing because I taught them to know there are consequences for all actions. So far, so good. It's easy for us to condemn this boy or this girl, but I beleive they are a product of our society. Somewhere along the line we forgot what separates humans from primates and dogs. The lesson we can learn from this incident is to teach our kids what they will face in a similar situation and hope to God they hear us.
I saw implacables point also.....but in this paticular case...from what I've read. I dont think it's fair.

[implacable44]

the law says it is fair. and although I understand what you are saying - it is illegal - if the law is right or wrong - it is illegal and he knew that. - when your daughter is 15 - I dont think you will approve of such a relationship and if she comes to you and tells you the 19 yr old football player took advantage of her and assaulted her - ( if it is assault which would lead into **** etc..) I dare say you would take the same steps these parents have taken. It is easy to say you wouldnt - to quote from gladiator in the opening scene - when the Romans were set to fight the Germanians I think - and quintis states that a people should know when they are conquered to which Maximus responds - "would you ? would I ? " --

If I was in her parents situation I can't say that I wouldn't do the same thing. It would either be that or the alternative of Charles Bronson and handle it myself.

[dada]

the law says it is fair. and although I understand what you are saying - it is illegal - if the law is right or wrong - it is illegal and he knew that. - when your daughter is 15 - I dont think you will approve of such a relationship and if she comes to you and tells you the 19 yr old football player took advantage of her and assaulted her - ( if it is assault which would lead into **** etc..) I dare say you would take the same steps these parents have taken. It is easy to say you wouldnt - to quote from gladiator in the opening scene - when the Romans were set to fight the Germanians I think - and quintis states that a people should know when they are conquered to which Maximus responds - "would you ? would I ? " --

If I was in her parents situation I can't say that I wouldn't do the same thing. It would either be that or the alternative of Charles Bronson and handle it myself.
We dont know the facts. How do we know he took advantage of her...who's to say this guy decided to call it quits after he found out how old she was and this was her revenge? If he assulted...raped her...then no question....or this could be a case of puppy love and the parents not agreeing to it. I'm still trying to come to grips of having to change my daughters diaper..yet alone dating...and if the situation is like you described(assult...****) we wouldnt need a jury. I'm speaking on THIS STORY that was posted....more facts need to be presented before I say hang this young man.

[LPMOM]

thats why i always told my 4 sons to ask for i.d.! this happens to a lot of young men. i know of one 17 yr. old in lufkin that had consensual sex with a girl that said she was 16 and believe me when i say she looked 16. found out later she was 14. mother pressed charges. boy got 5 years, but the saddest is that he is now a registered sex offender. this is one of the reasons it's so hard for the system to keep up with registered offenders. a lot of them should not be listed and monitered because of reasons like this. makes it harder to keep track of the dangerous ones.
some 19 yr. old highschool boys or not as mature as say a 19 yr. old in the military. to him this girl was one of his peers.

[dada]

thats why i always told my 4 sons to ask for i.d.! this happens to a lot of young men. i know of one 17 yr. old in lufkin that had consensual sex with a girl that said she was 16 and believe me when i say she looked 16. found out later she was 14. mother pressed charges. boy got 5 years, but the saddest is that he is now a registered sex offender. this is one of the reasons it's so hard for the system to keep up with registered offenders. a lot of them should not be listed and monitered because of reasons like this. makes it harder to keep track of the dangerous ones.
some 19 yr. old highschool boys or not as mature as say a 19 yr. old in the military. to him this girl was one of his peers.
That's the point I was trying to make.....the law dosent discriminate between sex offenders....like you said ...this is one of his peers, but the rest of his life he will be labeled, pediphile, sex offender...etc.

[implacable44]

I did not say he took advantage of her - I said in the future and gave an example of if something happened to you - I see the inference now that I re-read it but as I have already stated a hundred times - we need more facts - based on the facts that are known - 19 and 15 -- it is illegal so not much else matters. he knowingly broke the law. (ignorance is not a valid defense and I doubt he was ignorant). the simple use of the word assault leads me to believe it to be something other than puppy love but i dont know.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Hey...this is a crap law. When I was in school it was the norm for Seniors and sophmores...juniors and freshman..to date. And even have sex! I don't think I ever heard anyone ask "Hey, by the way...how old are you...I mean I know you're a sophmore, but....?!"

[dada]

I did not say he took advantage of her - I said in the future and gave an example of if something happened to you - I see the inference now that I re-read it but as I have already stated a hundred times - we need more facts - based on the facts that are known - 19 and 15 -- it is illegal so not much else matters. he knowingly broke the law. (ignorance is not a valid defense and I doubt he was ignorant). the simple use of the word assault leads me to believe it to be something other than puppy love but i dont know.
ASSAULT is a strong word also.....I just wish I knew all the facts. But I cant rush judgement on this kid.

[implacable44]

oh well the greatone says it is a crap law - i will call congress and let them know that the greatone thinks sex with a minor is irrelevant. - stay away from my house greatone - i have three daughters -- all minors and there is another law in texas that allows me to shoot you ( with minimal provisions) once inside my residence. - so stay away buddy ! :D :D :D :D

[LPMOM]

we need a lawyer to explain the assault charge. it might not be as serious as statutory **** and they were trying to help by applying this charge instead of ****.

[dada]

oh well the greatone says it is a crap law - i will call congress and let them know that the greatone thinks sex with a minor is irrelevant. - stay away from my house greatone - i have three daughters -- all minors and there is another law in texas that allows me to shoot you ( with minimal provisions) once inside my residence. - so stay away buddy ! :D :D :D :D
Wait a minute....if he turns his back......he MIGHT have a case. Not self-defense anymore.

[SLCDad]

thats why i always told my 4 sons to ask for i.d.! this happens to a lot of young men. i know of one 17 yr. old in lufkin that had consensual sex with a girl that said she was 16 and believe me when i say she looked 16. found out later she was 14. mother pressed charges. boy got 5 years, but the saddest is that he is now a registered sex offender. this is one of the reasons it's so hard for the system to keep up with registered offenders. a lot of them should not be listed and monitered because of reasons like this. makes it harder to keep track of the dangerous ones.
some 19 yr. old highschool boys or not as mature as say a 19 yr. old in the military. to him this girl was one of his peers.Consensual or not, the guy was having sex with a girl he barely knew and visa versa. That's very sad, very wrong, very stupid and very immoral in my view. Our society has sunk to such a level that this is not uncommon and is accepted by some. We should be better than that.

[dada]

we need a lawyer to explain the assault charge. it might not be as serious as statutory **** and they were trying to help by applying this charge instead of ****.
Don't quote me, but I think if it's consentual...it's not assault...violence has to be proven in order for a "Sexual Assualt" charge....so it could be Statuatory...we need the full story...we can speculate all day.

[Thor]

That's the point I was trying to make.....the law dosent discriminate between sex offenders....like you said ...this is one of his peers, but the rest of his life he will be labeled, pediphile, sex offender...etc.

A new label is in store her ... Sex offender 2nd class(I didnt know she was 14 or 15 she looked good to me... point is that 19 year old males in a situation like this needs to think with his brain and not whatever he was thinking with.

The peers thing doesnt wash with me , when my daughter who will be 13 her freshman year shows up at school is she going to be considered as fresh meat for the 19 year old seniors . Just because she is his PEER. Manhood doesnt click to an on position upon HS graduation. In the armed services a 17 year old is expected to act like an adult because he is an adult. If we dont expect them to act like adults... then they wont.

[implacable44]

no that doesn't matter - long as i can prve he intended to cause me, my property or my family harm - I am good.

[bullrock]

implacable, after your first daughter starts dating and you feel comfortable that she will act responsibly, you should be fine. I'm not saying it will be easy, but it will be bearable. I second your warning to the greatone though.

[SLCDad]

Hey...this is a crap law. When I was in school it was the norm for Seniors and sophmores...juniors and freshman..to date. And even have sex! I don't think I ever heard anyone ask "Hey, by the way...how old are you...I mean I know you're a sophmore, but....?!"No wonder we have so many broken homes, unwed mothers, children having children and moral decay in our society. These kids are a product of our society and visa versa. It wasn't that many years ago when we were much, much better than this.

Now we accept this behavior as normal and we rationalize that "kids will be kids" and "they will do it anyway." We can/should have a much higher standard.

[dada]

no that doesn't matter - long as i can prve he intended to cause me, my property or my family harm - I am good.
Guess you're right...dead man cant plead his case. Which reminds me of the Geneva Convention.....you know you cant shoot a paratrooper. You KNOW what his mission is once he hits the ground....but you have to give him a chance....back to the subject. Like KTCHAMP said(except for Janet Reno calling me a bitter, dead beat dad with no morals) this was an civil, ADULT-Like conversation......I just wish we had more facts.

[implacable44]

hey i got it worse than most - i have a 3 yr old daughter and then just because the Lord found it humorous or maybe for past transgressions - he sent me twins. the coors light beer commercial is in my house. twin girls - how sad is that. Now you all know why I chose law school - not to practice law - but to be better prepared to get myself out of trouble when it happens in 10-12 years.

[bullrock]

You're in for trouble times 3. They'll all be dating at the same time. Have you figured out how you can be at 3 places at once? Maybe you will make them triple date???

[dada]

hey i got it worse than most - i have a 3 yr old daughter and then just because the Lord found it humorous or maybe for past transgressions - he sent me twins. the coors light beer commercial is in my house. twin girls - how sad is that. Now you all know why I chose law school - not to practice law - but to be better prepared to get myself out of trouble when it happens in 10-12 years.
I have less than 80 days before my life chances forever....MANY THOUGHTS are going through my mind right now. Boys I can handle......this girl is gonna give me grey hairs. :D

[implacable44]

actually I think i will just not let them date until they are 16 and then they have to go in roupos - no one-on one dates. I also think i will imploant chips in the ir toes and have GPS installed on my home PC. They will all have cell phones with GPS and my brother lives right here close to me. I think I might move to alaska or something to keep them further isolated or possibly convert to catholicism and convince them to be nuns.

or maybe I will just trust them -- NAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[bullrock]

That may be true, but I'll guarantee you won't trade all of the natural hair in the world for not holding that little girl in your arms. One thing that is true in this thread is that all, dads at least, parents think thier little angle is perfect. Some of us have different meanings of perfect though. Just remember, they are human and are subject to make mistakes. That shouldn't be grounds to demean them. Just love them and have them love you back. That's my perception of perfect. Course, I'm a simple minded person.....

[dada]

That may be true, but I'll guarantee you won't trade all of the natural hair in the world for not holding that little girl in your arms. One thing that is true in this thread is that all, dads at least, parents think thier little angle is perfect. Some of us have different meanings of perfect though. Just remember, they are human and are subject to make mistakes. That shouldn't be grounds to demean them. Just love them and have them love you back. That's my perception of perfect. Course, I'm a simple minded person.....
Simple minded people are sometimes the wise ones. My 8 year old son is excited and cant stop talking about his "Baby Sister"....maybe he will be the Enforcer in a few years. :) save me the trouble.

[SLCDad]

I am the parent of 6 fine daughters that I am extremely proud of. Three have graduated from Southlake Carroll, one is attending now and two are younger. None of them buy into the social norms that many young people embrace as acceptable today. We have taught them that they are daughters of God and not animals. They know that true happiness ONLY comes by following principles of integrity, goodness, and morality. They know that improper sexual behavior ultimately only leads to disappointment and regret. So far so good. We are working as hard as we can to guide our daughters through the mine field of bad stuff that our society offers that can cause them harm and bring them unhappiness. We also have 3 sons. Two have graduated from Southlake Carroll and one is younger. They feel the same as their sisters. We do everything we can to teach them that righteous living is the key to real happiness in life. Sin, in all of its forms, only brings sadness.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

To be honest, it is hard to tell the age of kids these days. The style of clothes, makeup, attitude, a girl can be 14 or 19 and it is hard to tell. it used to be that a 14 year old girl would not be allowed to dress like the girls in the MTV video's. Now it is acceptable for midriffs and belly button rings at increassing younger ages. All the signs of maturity have been blured by the need of the young to look older!

The facts in this case are vauge at best. Should a 19 year old have sex with a 15 year old, Not is a perfect world. Do Seniors take advantage of Freshmen and Sophmores? yes they do. Do all Seniors take advantage of Freshmen and Sophmores? No. Is this an isolated case? No. Is it a case that made the news because the kid is a semi-celebrity? Yes. It is a clear cut case? No. Are we, as a society convicted because of a case such as this? Time will tell.I messed with this "supposed" to be 18 yr old back in 2003, she looked like she was a freshman here at MSU in WF, that's what she told me anyway, come to find out she was a 15 yr old sophomore at one of the high school's here. I quickly stopped that relationship permanantly! :eek:

I check ID's now. :D

[implacable44]

I hear you SLCDAD but at the end of the day I am aware enough of the presence of peer pressure and the power it holds in many youth. Granted I plan to empower my daughters with knowledge to battle the pressure they will face as teenagers from their peers - who routinely attempt to manipulate and take advantage of the weak ( which could possibly be what happened to this 15 yr old girl). I will empower them with knowledge and faith based principles and beliefs but at the same time those friends have an awful lot of power and influence for me to overcome. Choose your friends wisely is good counsel. I have no sons to protect my daughters -- I only have faith.

[Thor]

we need a lawyer to explain the assault charge. it might not be as serious as statutory **** and they were trying to help by applying this charge instead of ****.

$15,000.00 seems to make me think they are serious

[pack0808]

implacable i have twins also but they are boys. I have 4 boys in all!! I wanted a girl but 4 is enough either way!! ;)


What is funny is this, several of you talk like today's morals are horrible compared to the old days but back in the real old days 12 and 13 year olds married had sex and kids all of the time. That was the norm. Did they all of the sudden turn into infants at age 15 and 16 in 2005?? I agree that this country is on a moral decline but yall are kind of being hypocritical in that sense. I know At 16 i had a girlfriend that was 15 and she was a star cheerleader and all of that stuff and we definitely were together a zillion times. Her parents had no clue and thought she was an innocent princess. I am not bragging believe me but i was just pointing out reality!! She was one of many in my dumb young hormonal years but that story is played over and over and over a million times all over the United States and even more in other countries like Canada and France. I will do my best and try and teach my kids not to follow in my dumb footsteps but i can only try!! In the end it is their decision. There are consequences for your actions but i think this law needs to be tweeked a little to make common sense.

[implacable44]

I didnt have sex with anyone -- had lots of opportunities but there was that fear of God since it was a commandment and all - added to which -- it was more important for me to be able to tell my wife that I waited all those years and saved myself for her instead of being a partner to countless women in wasted moments. I mean I can't imagine if I grew up in a city and my wife was in the same city and say we both had slept with like 15 people - and all 30 of those folks lived in the same town and everytime i would see my friend wade -0 i would be thinking - hey i slept with your wife - or vice versa with my wife - I just think it is immoral and wrong.

as far as the old days you are referring to --well that was when the life expectancy was a lot less I guess - not sure why but people lived to be what 30 or something years old ? It was a different society -- different culture I dont think you can compare the two. EIther way rampant sexuality with partner after partner - after partner has rarely been the accepted social norm -- see sodom and gomora,

[pack0808]

implacable i commend you and respect your decisions and i wish i had your restraint as a teenager but i did not. I do think you are a rareity in today's society. On the old days, I was just making a point but i do not think you have to go that far back to see what i was talking about. Not when the life expectancy was 30?? :eek: Even my grandparents got married at 15.

[SLCDad]

My wife is the one and only also and always will be.

[implacable44]

they were married and both 15 though - this man is 19 and the kid is 15.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

No wonder we have so many broken homes, unwed mothers, children having children and moral decay in our society. These kids are a product of our society and visa versa. It wasn't that many years ago when we were much, much better than this.

Now we accept this behavior as normal and we rationalize that "kids will be kids" and "they will do it anyway." We can/should have a much higher standard.

The lessons of life are always easier to preach and understand when you're older!

[RidgePride]

Isnt 19 kinda old for a high school football player - I wonder if he turned 19 before September 1st. If so, I believe he would have been ineligible.

[Reaganrattler07]

Isnt 19 kinda old for a high school football player - I wonder if he turned 19 before September 1st. If so, I believe he would have been ineligible.

He might've redid a few grades in elementary school....

[FootballJunkie]

I didnt have sex with anyone -- had lots of opportunities but there was that fear of God since it was a commandment and all - added to which -- it was more important for me to be able to tell my wife that I waited all those years and saved myself for her instead of being a partner to countless women in wasted moments. I mean I can't imagine if I grew up in a city and my wife was in the same city and say we both had slept with like 15 people - and all 30 of those folks lived in the same town and everytime i would see my friend wade -0 i would be thinking - hey i slept with your wife - or vice versa with my wife - I just think it is immoral and wrong.

as far as the old days you are referring to --well that was when the life expectancy was a lot less I guess - not sure why but people lived to be what 30 or something years old ? It was a different society -- different culture I dont think you can compare the two. EIther way rampant sexuality with partner after partner - after partner has rarely been the accepted social norm -- see sodom and gomora,

Guess you didn't study the Roman Empire..they were as immoral as they come.

[Red Raiders]

wow if it was a girl that is 17 and turned 18 tommorow with a guy that is 18, I am sure he would get arrested anyway which is kind of odd. He shouldn't have to be with this girl but he should have to be with a 18-year old girl...

[CoppellCowboy57]

I have alot to say on this...so be prepared, in im prob going to get introuble for this but I dont care because I have alot to say about it...

First of all. People my age do not need to be having sex. Peirod. At 17-18-19 and still in high school, men should have more respect for females. Respect them and wait until they are both out of high school or married. For the record I am not a virgin I lost my virginity when I was 16. After the summer I became a christain and no longer belive in sex before marriage. My realtionships with females have improved. Guys my age, and younger arnt ready for that kind of commettement, I dont care who you are, or what you think. You are not ready for that stuff yet, its not worth to "Accidently" get a girl pregent, because theres no way to support her.

Secondly, The age of concent in Texas is 17...That means if a girls mom doesnt approve of you sleeping with there daugther even if she is 16 you get introuble. I dont agree with this, because this also involves kissing and other harmless stuff. For thoughs of you disagree with my first statement, I do belive in the 3 year rule, where if a girl is within three years of you, it should be a crime to make sexual contact with that person. this should take place up until the age of 19 it would be leagel to sleep with a 16 year old as long as it was concensual.

Third, this situation has happend to a couple of my friends before, they have got introuble because the girl said she was 17 when they were 19, they ended up getting a slap on the wrist, and thats all because the perents of the girl droped the charges. Revenge is often the motive behind this. a 19 year ends up cheating on his 15 year old girlfriend, the girl gets pissed and goes and tells his mom "He Touched me."

That sad part of guys who are 17 and get introuble for sleeping with a 16 year old is because they go onto the sexual preditor list, and in fact, a child molestaion list, they cant get jobs because of a mistake when they were 17, and now there 35, 40 years old, and still it messes there lifes up forever.

Hopefully this court case will end up being just a scary listion for this kid... My prayers go out to him.

[abilenefan]

if it was my son I would have raised him differently and he wouldnt be stupid enough to have sex with a 15-yr old girl when he was a 19 yr old man in high school - what the heck is he doing in highschool at 19 anyway -- hopefully my son will have learned some morals and values like my parents taught me - I got married at 29 and didnt have sex prior to marraige and I have a whole heck of a lot of friends who did the same thing. It happens and there is something you can do about it - raise your children right - and then there is always the law.

look at the cowboy chiming in - sounds like you might have had a personal experience with this type of situation ? - I don't think anyone knows the facts and there are plenty of girls who are manipulative in this world - who knows if this was the case or not - as a general rule though 19 yr old men do not have sex with 15 yr old girls and to me - that is a character trait in this kid that I would not want in my system if I was a college recruiter.

Totally agree!!!!!

[abilenefan]

Guess you didn't study the Roman Empire..they were as immoral as they come.

Yea and it crumbled. Some Theologians believe it was due to the fact that they turned their back on God.

[CoppellCowboy57]

i think having sex b4 i was married was the worst mistake ive ever made...i mean what good comes out of having sex b4 marraige...STDs, Pregency, break ups, emtional stuff...its stupid...every time me and my girlfriend talk about this subject, im embarresed to tell ive lost my virginity...

I look at premartle sex like this...I slept with someone elses wife

[wide-e-wide]

I finised at 17 and was on my second tour by 20...so I cant relate....I see a high school Sr and an underclassmen. I guess its true when they say we are all just sheep.

dada...leave aggy out of this. Our laws don't apply to them.

[wide-e-wide]

i think having sex b4 i was married was the worst mistake ive ever made...i mean what good comes out of having sex b4 marraige...STDs, Pregency, break ups, emtional stuff...its stupid...every time me and my girlfriend talk about this subject, im embarresed to tell ive lost my virginity...

I look at premartle sex like this...I slept with someone elses wife

CC57 slept with somebody else's wife?...I always knew you had pimpin' in your blood dawg.

[Redneckn]

All I'm going to say about the situation is that the young man broke the law and he should have to pay the penalty for it. If we, as a society, don't like the law and/or the punishment, then we need to change it.

It's the same as speeding. I have never once complained about getting a ticket. I knew it was illegal when I stepped on the long skinny petal. I got caught, I paid the ticket.
While this situation is a bit more serious than me doing 87 in a 35, the fact does not change that breaking the law is breaking the law.

Hopefully for this guy, luck will be on his side and he can get out of it.. But if not, then that's just what he gets for breaking the law.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

In simple terms:

You do the crime - you gotta pay. This 19 year old man of LEGAL AGE aided in the deliquency of a 15 year old MINOR. From the time I thought my son might be interested in sex, I warned him about things like this could happen. He know tells me his most memorable saying of mine is "Accidents can cause people."

[Thor]

Guess you didn't study the Roman Empire..they were as immoral as they come.

And the inmorality of the Roman Empire lead to its fall. At first the Roman Empire was very moral by the standards of the time . Their armies and people were held up to standards and all Roman citizens were to serve the Empire. Towards the end morality of the leaders and the people lead to its downfall.
The people of the Roman Empire forgot what made them great.

[implacable44]

I did study the roman empire perhaps you didnt - you cant rent a copy of Caligulla and feel like you studied the Roman empire and think that it was the standard of the time. Rome fell when they become carnal, lustful and unruly. As previously stated Rome turned their back on God so he did likewise and they were destroyed. Morals are morals - it doesn't change with the times or make it right because other people do it. You profess to be a Christian then you do not believe nor should you condone premarital sex. That is it- bottom line - end of discussion as far as morality goes. then to trump that for all the rest of yas - it is the law - the man in high school broke the law.

[pack0808]

France, Canada, and Sweden are as sexual promisicious as a country can get!! :eek: No matter how you look at it sex is a natural desire and kids are going to act on it the majority of the time. Adults for that matter. When kids are close in age and both decide to do it i do not agree that the slightly older one should be branded for life i am sorry. I will never think that is fair. All of you that are so anal about sex and big time law sticklers that is fine but most with common sense thinks this law needs to be tweaked a little to make more sense. Laws can be changed or slightly tweaked the last time i checked!! Look i am a christian and i know what the good book says about sex but some need to be realistic. Some of you act like you have never sinned in your life and those types are usually the biggest hypocrits of all. Last time i checked there has been only one person that has never sinned on this earth and that was Jesus.

LOL wide on the pimping comment. You are so wrong man :D

[implacable44]

france - canada and sweden are you examples ? 3 spineless countries full of cowardice and corruption - (france at least) ? that is your rebuttal ? WHo exactly are the " most with common sense ? " I mean - do you fall in that category ? I guess if you fall in that category then I don't want your definition of common sense - I will stick with the definition I learned in church and the definition of wiser and more intelligent men than both of us who wrote the statue and signed it into law and the judges who have set precedent in courts of law establishing it. I will stick by those intelligent folks instead of Packs puny common sense. Look at your arguement - well everyone is doing it so we need to adjust - wow - good thing you weren't around Nazi Germany when Hitler was there because -- well everyone was doing it so you would have jumped right in with your common sense and condoned that - or in Christ's time - we everyone was demanding for him to be crucified so you would have jumped on that band wagon condoning that too. Ridiculous.

[pack0808]

Let me tell you something you higher then everybody else bs. I have not called you a name once but you have constantly belittled people and called other's names on this thread so i will do the same to you. You take the term hypocrisy to a whole other level. I bet you are the biggest sinner of us all HYPOCRITE!!

You preach christianity at us but then you go and call others names and talk down to others. I guess you missed the part of turning the other cheek mr perfect christian man??

You take things people say so out of context it is ridiculous! I was just making a point about those countries when yall brought up Rome. I am not a fan of any of those countries what so ever and especially not France. Was not my point mr no reading comprehension jerk!!

You can call me all the petty bs names that you want "Mr Perfect Christian" but i still do not think a 18 year old having consensual sex with a 16 year old in hs is a crime to the extreme where the 18 year old is branded as a sexual predator for life.Sorry get over it!! Call it weak and petty common sense all you like but you are not going to change my mind and many others. If you supported all of our great laws in the history of our country then you support slavery also. I guess we should have not tweaked that one either huh hypocrit??

[implacable44]

I didnt call you a name and I never professed to be perfect. All I said was I refrained from premarital sex and I dont believe in or condone it and neither should any Christian. I dont drink either- never have. I am not chastising you or anyone and I certainly didnt call you any names. Beside the point though -

what are you talking about 18 and 16--- GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE PRINTED STORY -- this is a 19 yr old adult male and a 15 yr old child and without knowing all the facts of this case -- all I know is he broke the law and 19 and 15 is wrong.

What did I take out of context ?

I am not saying he should be branded for life right now either -- the courts will decide that. I am saying that you can't let him off with no punishment at all - what message would that send ( depending on the facts of the case)?

Well Slavery wasn't a law to the best of my knowledge - I mean there was no written law that demanded you own a slave - so that is a silly point and thus they made the GOOD law to abolish it. just like is is a good law that wise and intelligent men made and continue to establish in courts that sex with a minor is illegal.

If I were to call you any name it would be bleeding heart liberal - and I would nickname you Hillary 0808 instead of Pack 0808

[pack0808]

Yeah they just ignored slavery with their brilliant minds. Me a liberal?? LMAO. Hillary Clinton?? LOL It is not possible to be more of an idiot if you think that?? I am as conservative as a Republican as you can find but i do not agree with some of this law!! Many other christian conservatives feel the same. I think our founders were brilliant for the most part but i do not think they were perfect that is for sure. You really have no clue about me and my beliefs?? I am a christian and i teach my kids the bible. You said the law is a law no matter what and 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old would be the same consequences so why can i not make this point?? I never said that the 19 year old with the 15 year old did not deserve some type of punishment?? You must have me mixed up with somebody else?? I said he does not deserve to be branded a sexual predator the rest of his life if it was consensual sex. A 15 year old is no innocent infant!! Call me a liberal all you want but i still say that you are a hypocrit. You have belittled many in this thread with all kinds of comments. Learn to have an adult argument and others will have an adult argument with you. But if you get childish and start to belittle the person that you are arguing with they will respond with the same childish response like i have. Let me go work on my puny common sense that you say i have because i dare to believe consensual sex between two older teenagers is not a life type of crime. And that makes me Hillary Clinton?? Wow is all i can say?? :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

The same goes for the death penalty. Christian coservatives disagree with each other on this subject also. Not all agree 100 percent on all subjects and i do not call other conservatives Hillary Clinton if they do not believe in the death penalty. Both have valid arguments based on christian principle's.

[implacable44]

PAck if you want to see childish - look in the mirror -- it states back at you gloomingly everyday.

the law is the law and that kid knew the law and he knowingly broke it. If you want to play the game there are rewards and consequences - he got a reward and now he is getting a consequence. -

I dont know you but you know me well enough to question my sins and call me a hypocrite ? and you know this girl well enough to proclaim that she is not an angel or innocent ? You assume her to be some harlot ? Talk about hypocrite - maybe that might be in the mirror as well as the child.


I have already stated that "consensual sex" which we don't know that this was consensual especially with the words Sexual assault being used - is not a life crime and I hope he doesnt get that brand - but he should get some type of punishment -- talk about taking things out of context and not being able to read ????

[pack0808]

Yawn, i am done with you mr super christian!! You would continue all day and night like i predicted. You would think a super christian would have better things to do then preaching to people on a football board?? I got childish with you when you got childish with me so i am sorry you cannot handle a taste of your own medicine. I come here on this "football board" to talk football not to get preached at by some super christian telling me i have puny common sense because i disagree with them. :rolleyes: I should know better to respond to something like this in here. If i want this i would go to a different type of board. The funny thing is this, I bet we would agree 95 percent of the time. LOL I think we have agreed on many other issues in different threads now that i think of it?? Some have no tolerance when others disagree with them and your true colors showed when that happened. Bye Bye now, Don't you need to check the lock's on your daughter's chastity belt's or something?? ;) Since you called me a liberal and Hillary Clinton i will call you Jim Baker because i bet you are one of those that talk the talk but do not walk the walk?? And how many times do i have to tell you?? The kid should be punished but it should not be as extreme as i have seen in the past. The punishment should not be black and white is all i am saying for the 1000'th time. If this was consensual sex and it was not some type of **** or assault i think he should have some type punishment but not branded for life as a sexual predator. What part of that do you not understand?? I also think the daughter should be punished by her parents for having consensual sex at 15. I am done take care!! :rolleyes:

[doc skurlock]

Yes....Yes....Yes....We all know nothing like this ever happens in Southlake where all people are too morally upstanding for this kind of hen house behavior......

Wait a minute???? Didn't I read about a middle school kid and a teacher from Southlake a few months ago?????

Get a clue fella's, your Southlake daughters and son's are doing everything these kids are doing....Face it, money makes things disappear....Rest assured the naivity of you people to admit this could happen anywhere including SLC will end up biting some mighty dragon nation parents in the arse....

You heard it here first.....

[DragonFan]

I think this thread is getting a little lost. The facts are a 19 year old young High School guy had sex with a 15 year old High School Girl. Someone called the police on this act and now because of the young mans semi-celebrity status, this incident shows up in the local newspaper. The only punishment that was talked about is suspension from football for an unspecified length of time.

All of the moralities that have been posted are valid. No one persons views are more valid than anyone elses in this thread. The facts are a lapse of judgement, or thinking with the wrong head, has gotten a young man and woman in trouble. The long term concequences have yet to be determined.

I think that the title of this thread is very appropriate. "Very Sad". I think everyone in this thread can agree to that!

[implacable44]

pack - i respond to you - that is you keep going thus forcing me to reply. and you keep using the word consensual - i didnt read that word - I will go re-read the article. and I dont care if you get childish it doesnt bother me. Consider the source mama said. I am not preaching we are debating law - moral and civil.

draron fan - I assure you if the law is involved the only punishment will no deal with lack of football. there is no statute that dictates violation of such statute will result in lost football playing time.

[pack0808]

Ok i promise this is my last response. ;) If it was not consensual sex and it was forced he definitely deserves to be punished severely!! Totally different ballgame!! Big time!! That is ****!! I was not just talking about this article, i was talking in general and i was responding to some of the judgements i have seen were the ages were even more close together and the girl was older.

[dada]

Ok guys, lets end this. Like I said earlier, Politics, Religon, beleifs(sp) and how you raise your children are all touchy subjects that we should not discuss...not in here anyway. Due to MY Religious upbringing I beleived certain things also...then it found out everyone didnt beleive what I beleived in. It took me longer to realize that since we didnt have the same beleives... it didnt mean that THEY were wrong and I was right. We are all rushing to judgement without knowing all the facts, and yes...according to the LAW this young man was wrong. I still beleive that this law in some cases can be judgement cases based on the circumstances. Maybe they need different catagorys of Statuatory ****....Level 1 and level 2....this could be a case of two high school kids dating...one older than the other...but now this kid or adult Male student as some are calling him is a FELON...the rest of his life and will have it far worse than those out shooting people, selling drugs...etc.. These are SERIOUS charges and all the facts should be know before we act as Judge Judy and executioner(Homer Simpson) :D

[DragonFan]

I was just reviewing the articule and the only punishment that was stated in the articule was suspension from the football team. If this incident goes to the courts or to lawyers for that matter then there will be more harsh punishment. All the conjecture about branding a sex offender for life is just that conjecture. The articule was short and too the point. All of the postering and speculation on the incident and the outcome is just hersey.

I applaude the moral indignation, understand the frustration of those who feel this is not that big a deal, but the final outcome and the real facts of this story has yet to be determined.

As the title states: Very sad!

[implacable44]

actually it says :

If convicted of sexual assault of a child, Brent faces a maximum of 20 years in prison

[DragonFan]

actually it says :

If convicted of sexual assault of a child, Brent faces a maximum of 20 years in prison

You are right. It does say IF convicted. That is not a fact in this incident. It is a possible outcome, so is the chance that we will never hear of this incident again because the kids talked the parents into dropping all changes. The only punnishment that we outsiders know about is the suspension. All other is just speculation and sensationlization of the story. The story has more sizzle if the boy is facing a 20 year prison term.

The possible prison term is a legitamate statement, but it is not a fact in the story as it stands today. It is a possible outcome, just not the actuall outcome, yet.

[SLCDad]

Yes....Yes....Yes....We all know nothing like this ever happens in Southlake where all people are too morally upstanding for this kind of hen house behavior......

Wait a minute???? Didn't I read about a middle school kid and a teacher from Southlake a few months ago?????

Get a clue fella's, your Southlake daughters and son's are doing everything these kids are doing....Face it, money makes things disappear....Rest assured the naivity of you people to admit this could happen anywhere including SLC will end up biting some mighty dragon nation parents in the arse....

You heard it here first.....Your mocking post is unecessary and stupid. Southlake has huge problems in this area. We are all very aware of that. You don't need to be a jerk.

[SLCDad]

I heard a news report about this case this morning. They reported there is no evidence of force of any kind and that Jermey Brent and the girl were friends.

[Fleeman93]

I certainly have no clue if this case was **** or not, based on the article, but anyone with half a brain can see that it wasn't. Do you really think they would let a 19 year old high school rapist go unfound for 2 months (he played football as a star at the HS level)? It is very clear to me what happened in this case and law or no law this kid does not need to be branded as a child molester or sexual predator for the rest of his life. Both of them should be sentenced to some type of community service where they learn about raising children and the consequences of having sex at that age. I certainly don't feel that any of my friends or myself for that matter were sexual predators in HS, but almost all of us dated younger girls and I know most were sexually active. It happens and if you don't think it does then you are blind.

[Thor]

I heard a news report about this case this morning. They reported there is no evidence of force of any kind and that Jermey Brent and the girl were friends.

Then he knew her age...

[Fleeman93]

I heard a news report about this case this morning. They reported there is no evidence of force of any kind and that Jermey Brent and the girl were friends.


So I guess based on this then we should be able to agree that it was consensual sex between friends and most likely the girl ended up getting pissed off at him for some reason or another. Yep, he is a child molester and sexual predator for sure. Hell, burn him at the stake.

[gobuffs04]

this sounds all too familiar :( ...i doubt it will even go to court...i was arrested for that same thing and held with 15000 dollar bond (just like in this case)... and i was told that it was a 3 year rule...so if i had been a year younger or she had been a year older, other than a few nights in jail, that's all that woulda happend...but since it was 4 years it was pending in the courts for a couple months (longest months of my life) and then they just dropped the case... and i'm not listed as a sex offender or child molester or n e thing like that but however the only thing i have now is an arrest record :eek: ...if the girls parents don't press charges, depending on how b*tchy the DA is... it'll more than likely just be dropped...who's to say what the football team will do to him tho after the publicity :confused:...prolly nothin tho its texas for god sake

[Fleeman93]

I'm glad things turned out for you the way they did Gobuffs. Had some of the people in this forum been in charge then you would probably be living off their taxes collecting welfare and eating Top Romen every night.

[Thor]

I certainly have no clue if this case was **** or not, based on the article, but anyone with half a brain can see that it wasn't. Do you really think they would let a 19 year old high school rapist go unfound for 2 months (he played football as a star at the HS level)? It is very clear to me what happened in this case and law or no law this kid does not need to be branded as a child molester or sexual predator for the rest of his life. Both of them should be sentenced to some type of community service where they learn about raising children and the consequences of having sex at that age. I certainly don't feel that any of my friends or myself for that matter were sexual predators in HS, but almost all of us dated younger girls and I know most were sexually active. It happens and if you don't think it does then you are blind.

Just because it HAPPENS doesnt make it right. There was a term my father used when I turned 17... years ago. JAIL BAIT , I have used that term with my son , who has recently turned 17.
I also read in the story that it occured at a friends house, and her parents are the ones that origanally filed the charges. So I imagine this was done behind the parents back. That would make me think that the boy and the daughter knew that this was illegal . And that would be an act of a predator... would it not? Not sure , but if my 15 year old daughter brought home a 19 year old man . That relationship would be over real quick.

IMHO :cool:

Am I the only father out there bring up the JAIL BAIT term.

17 is alright 15 will get you 20

[Fleeman93]

Oh I didn't say it was right. I did say that it is wrong to tag this young man with something that will most likely ruin his life.

[dada]

Just because it HAPPENS doesnt make it right. There was a term my father used when I turned 17... years ago. JAIL BAIT , I have used that term with my son , who has recently turned 17.
I also read in the story that it occured at a friends house, and her parents are the ones that origanally filed the charges. So I imagine this was done behind the parents back. That would make me think that the boy and the daughter knew that this was illegal . And that would be an act of a predator... would it not? Not sure , but if my 15 year old daughter brought home a 19 year old man . That relationship would be over real quick.

IMHO :cool:

Am I the only father out there bring up the JAIL BAIT term.

17 is alright 15 will get you 20
Yeah we use the term Jail Bait....but I never thought the day would come in High School when a girl asks a guy out and he had to ask for ID....out here in the adult world...YES....In High School....I dont think you have the Statuatory **** thing comprehended...just my opinion.

[Fleeman93]

I can promise you that words like rapist, sexual predator or sexual assault NEVER crossed my mind as a 18 year old in HS.

[Thor]

Oh I didn't say it was right. I did say that it is wrong to tag this young man with something that will most likely ruin his life.

If he didnt care about his future , how can we? I know its hardcore, but please he took the chance and got caught. Time to pay the piper. I do hope he doesnt get branded a sexual predator and maybe this will wake up this 19 year old man. Maybe he is allowed to finish the season out and go on to college , the next time this situation comes up he will THINK. And say no thank you mamm. And maybe also it opens some eyes for HS upper classmen around the state.

[dada]

If he didnt care about his future , how can we? I know its hardcore, but please he took the chance and got caught. Time to pay the piper. I do hope he doesnt get branded a sexual predator and maybe this will wake up this 19 year old man. Maybe he is allowed to finish the season out and go on to college , the next time this situation comes up he will THINK. And say no thank you mamm. And maybe also it opens some eyes for HS upper classmen around the state.
How do we know this....I mean there IS a possibility that he didnt know she was 15...how do we no he had bad intent....You guys are already making him look like a sexaul predator and he had this innocent young girl in his sights. Right or Wrong...this HAPPENS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND IN SOME CASES MIDDLE SCHOOL....Of course it's not moral etc....but are we that blind to think that it dosent happen and when it does it was done by the lowest scum of the earth?

[Fleeman93]

I know its hardcore, but please he took the chance and got caught.

I have a different opinion with you on that point. I know that I didn't have a clue about it being wrong when I was 18. Let me rephrase that. I knew what the law was, but I honestly didn't think I was doing anything wrong. With that said, I don't think he was being sneaky and got caught I just think he was being a kid. How many stupid things did we all do as kids which were legal or not?

[implacable44]

how do we know he knew? - they go to the same school - that is how i know.

[Thor]

How do we know this....I mean there IS a possibility that he didnt know she was 15...how do we no he had bad intent....You guys are already making him look like a sexaul predator and he had this innocent young girl in his sights. Right or Wrong...this HAPPENS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND IN SOME CASES MIDDLE SCHOOL....Of course it's not moral etc....but are we that blind to think that it dosent happen and when it does it was done by the lowest scum of the earth?

I agree that there is a possibility that its the 15 year olds fault, BUT he is also 19 and should known better. And I havnt heard of any 19 year olds in middle school. Matter of fact I was shocked to hear of a 19 year old in HS.

No one called him scum of the earth. I have called him a 19 year old man with BAD judgement. When he gets out of HS and heads for the real world were mom and dad wont be there to clean up his mess. He will need much better judgement.
I also had an instance after my freshman year in college. There was a young lady whom I was talking to at a summer job in Houston. She told me that she was a freshman atTexas A&M and we had set up a date for the next day. Within 2 hours a friend of mine had told me she was only 14 and just graduated from Jr High. I cancelled the date and spoke with her parents.

In this case they were friends per recent posts. He should have stayed away.
He made a choice and it was the wrong choice.

IMHO

[implacable44]

nobody said anything about this being **** - we allowed the conversation to go into hypotheticals and different areas as we discussed the basics of the law and moral character. - bottom line - as i have said from the beginning - he broke the law - he is at fault. he should and will be punished accordingly - i dont think he should be branded a sex offender and tagged for life but he should be punished and if that little girl has a father with a shred of self-respect and sense that little girl will be punished too.

[Fleeman93]

You have really never heard of a 19 year old in HS? If you fail one year then you would be 19 when you graduate. Bet you had loads of them in your grade when you graduated.

[dada]

I agree that there is a possibility that its the 15 year olds fault, BUT he is also 19 and should known better. And I havnt heard of any 19 year olds in middle school. Matter of fact I was shocked to hear of a 19 year old in HS.

No one called him scum of the earth. I have called him a 19 year old man with BAD judgement. When he gets out of HS and heads for the real world were mom and dad wont be there to clean up his mess. He will need much better judgement.
I also had an instance after my freshman year in college. There was a young lady whom I was talking to at a summer job in Houston. She told me that she was a freshman atTexas A&M and we had set up a date for the next day. Within 2 hours a friend of mine had told me she was only 14 and just graduated from Jr High. I cancelled the date and spoke with her parents.

In this case they were friends per recent posts. He should have stayed away.
He made a choice and it was the wrong choice.

IMHO
True....but I just dont like the labels 19 year old MAN and 15 year old child...they are both students at a high school....It's sort of a catch 22...if this was a 19 year old MAN in college...having sex with a 15 year old who was in high school...it could be different. That's why I say it's a judgement call based on circumatances...we label him a man when it comes to dating, but he's able to compete in sports as a student. But the law does say 19 and 15 is wrong.....I mean the girls parents could have been so in shock that their little angel was having sex and KNEW it couldnt have been HER fault since they raised her the right way...it HAD to be that darn football player....what? He just turned 19?.....we'll teach HIM.


See what I'm saying....if we were the jury in the trial, we would be deadlocked.

[Thor]

I have a different opinion with you on that point. I know that I didn't have a clue about it being wrong when I was 18. Let me rephrase that. I knew what the law was, but I honestly didn't think I was doing anything wrong. With that said, I don't think he was being sneaky and got caught I just think he was being a kid. How many stupid things did we all do as kids which were legal or not?

I agree and I also made mistakes , but I also took the punishment. And didnt expect people to forgive me because I was a kid. But in this case he is 19 years old , we have 18 and 19 years olds serving our country in Iraq. If they make a mistake of this magnitude would we consider them as kids. I dont think so, how old do we have to be before we are suppose to grow up and take on responsibility. Is it 15,16,17,18 or maybe 22. The state of Texas says 17 , if a 17 year old student assaulted a teacher. What should we do?

[Fleeman93]

nobody said anything about this being **** - we allowed the conversation to go into hypotheticals and different areas as we discussed the basics of the law and moral character. - bottom line - as i have said from the beginning - he broke the law - he is at fault. he should and will be punished accordingly - i dont think he should be branded a sex offender and tagged for life but he should be punished and if that little girl has a father with a shred of self-respect and sense that little girl will be punished too.

If he is found to be guilty then he will be punished accordingly which by law will mean that he is tagged with a sex offender label of some sort. You can't have it both ways implacable.

[Fleeman93]

The state of Texas says 17 , if a 17 year old student assaulted a teacher. What should we do?

To me there is very little interpretation needed for assault. If he walked up and started beating the teacher unprovoked then lock his *** up. I guess I am just saying that there has to be some sort of judgment calls made in "sexual assault" cases like this.

[implacable44]

That is not entirely true. he can plead out - he can be found guilty of a lesser offense that does not requirte the label - there are alwasys options with the law in that sense - justice demands satisfaction but mercy is allowed to step in and intervene to some degree.

how is it different if he is in college or high school ? he knew how old she was - maybe you think society should just look the other way let him go and watch him end up like leon smith - randy moss - len bias - or worst case oj simpson - society routinely allows its athletes off easy and frequently turns the other cheek - and this teaches them from an early age that there are no consequences for their actions - someone will either bail them out or let them off easy - anyone who has played sports competitively has experienced this and knows it to be fact -- from grades - to freebies - to looking the other way in sexual crimes etc.

[Fleeman93]

I think you are starting to see our points Implacable. The kid was wrong, but he doesn't need to be labeled as a sexual predator for the rest of his life. He needs to be punished for sure, but not in that way.

[dada]

That is not entirely true. he can plead out - he can be found guilty of a lesser offense that does not requirte the label - there are alwasys options with the law in that sense - justice demands satisfaction but mercy is allowed to step in and intervene to some degree.

how is it different if he is in college or high school ? he knew how old she was - maybe you think society should just look the other way let him go and watch him end up like leon smith - randy moss - len bias - or worst case oj simpson - society routinely allows its athletes off easy and frequently turns the other cheek - and this teaches them from an early age that there are no consequences for their actions - someone will either bail them out or let them off easy - anyone who has played sports competitively has experienced this and knows it to be fact -- from grades - to freebies - to looking the other way in sexual crimes etc.
Can we PROVE he knew she was 15 and he had ill-intent? Like I say..asking to see fellow students ID's is something I never thought would come about. "Wanna go to the prom...sure but I need to see your ID first to make sure you are legal" Has school changed THAT much?

[implacable44]

what? - I have never said he should be labeled as a sexual predator -

[Thor]

You have really never heard of a 19 year old in HS? If you fail one year then you would be 19 when you graduate. Bet you had loads of them in your grade when you graduated.
No my oldest daughter graduated at 17. My son will graduate at 18 but that because of a 9/1 bithday. And my youngest will graduate at 17. I graduated at 17. Guess I just never thought about it.

[Thor]

Can we PROVE he knew she was 15 and he had ill-intent? Like I say..asking to see fellow students ID's is something I never thought would come about. "Wanna go to the prom...sure but I need to see your ID first to make sure you are legal" Has school changed THAT much?

We CAN prove he was 19 and she was 15. Thats all that needs to be done

[dada]

We CAN prove he was 19 and she was 15. Thats all that needs to be done
Wow.....I'm done

[implacable44]

i guess you are done - because that is the law. the law does not require you to prove he knew she was 15.

[Thor]

To me there is very little interpretation needed for assault. If he walked up and started beating the teacher unprovoked then lock his *** up. I guess I am just saying that there has to be some sort of judgment calls made in "sexual assault" cases like this.

There was a judgement call and the 19 year old man made the wrong judgement. FACT


Its now the time for him to work it out with the courts and get on with his life.

[dada]

i guess you are done - because that is the law. the law does not require you to prove he knew she was 15.
Like I said...my OPINION....is that it should be a judgement call. I think when the law was made...the fact that a man could turn 19 and actually still be in HS was not taken into consideration.....Like with what you were saying yesterday about The Great One...the LAW says you have the right to defend your house....But even though you have the right...what if you were'nt registered to have a handgun or you couldn't have one(Not YOU in this case)...do you just turn the other cheek and say this guy was protecting his property and had the right to use the gun? Or do you dig in and and say...the LAW says this guy shouldnt have a weapon at all?? Purely judgment calls IMHO. Dont think I'm defending a rapist...if this guy KNEW she was 15 and went out knowingly taking advantage of her...then so be it....

[Fleeman93]

My birthday is in Jan which always fell in the middle of the school year and I graduated when I was 18. There is no doubt that the kid broke the law. There is no doubt that he should be punished. In my opinion he doesn't deserve what the law is going to give him if he is found to be guilty. The kid made a mistake by sleeping with a girl that most likely wanted to sleep with him. He didn't stalk her. He didn't prey on her. He made a very poor choice as most of us did as kids.

[bullrock]

This is great! History, law....I'm learning a whole lot. We've been in the Roman Empire, we have someone eating Romen ??? (I forgot), we have people fighting, we have people trying to be calm, we have...well...chaos. Oh, and we've been to France and Canada! I'm not sure if I'm liberal or conservative. I just try to be me as much as possible. I spend a lot of money, so I guess in that sense I'm liberal. I don't believe in abortion so I guess I'm conservative. Folks, we are all Americans. That's what makes our country so great! Arguments such as this are exactly why there is contempt in Ireland and death in Isreal and Palestine. Nobody is wrong. We all have opinions. OPINION - a belief held with confidence but not substaniated by positive knowledge. Let's try to get along. Oh, and I have one for you implacable. I'll bet you didn't know France has never lost a war.

[dada]

My birthday is in Jan which always fell in the middle of the school year and I graduated when I was 18. There is no doubt that the kid broke the law. There is no doubt that he should be punished. In my opinion he doesn't deserve what the law is going to give him if he is found to be guilty. The kid made a mistake by sleeping with a girl that most likely wanted to sleep with him. He didn't stalk her. He didn't prey on her. He made a very poor choice as most of us did as kids.
AGAIN...not trying to make excuses for this kid/man. But when I was in School...we had certain classes that dealt and tought us the ups and downs about sex, teenage pregnacy, drug awareness...etc....I dont think the Statuatory **** thing EVER came up...You didnt have to worry about that until you graduated and even then there were these un-written rules that you dont date someone in High School once you finshed....but I agree with YOU guys...By LAW...he broke the rules....It's the Rules and the LAW that I dont agree with. And Implacable...I see your stance as a father of 3 girls...Maybe my tune will change once I have my daughter...I already think that once she kids to that age I'm gonna give her the "All boys are evil and stay away from them" speech...I think this was more MORALLY wrong then breaking the law. Catch 22....but in the end he broke the law..should he be punished like the 55 year old guys who have to get your approval to move into the neighborhood? No......

[dada]

This is great! History, law....I'm learning a whole lot. We've been in the Roman Empire, we have someone eating Romen ??? (I forgot), we have people fighting, we have people trying to be calm, we have...well...chaos. Oh, and we've been to France and Canada! I'm not sure if I'm liberal or conservative. I just try to be me as much as possible. I spend a lot of money, so I guess in that sense I'm liberal. I don't believe in abortion so I guess I'm conservative. Folks, we are all Americans. That's what makes our country so great! Arguments such as this are exactly why there is contempt in Ireland and death in Isreal and Palestine. Nobody is wrong. We all have opinions. OPINION - a belief held with confidence but not substaniated by positive knowledge. Let's try to get along. Oh, and I have one for you implacable. I'll bet you didn't know France has never lost a war.
And the Freedom to VOICE our opinions...as Lt. Dangle(Reno 911) said..."What is this? Communist China?"

And back to France....If I start a fight with you...see that you are bigger than me so I call my big brother to pummel you....I'm not the one who lost that fight. :D

[Thor]

AGAIN...not trying to make excuses for this kid/man. But when I was in School...we had certain classes that dealt and tought us the ups and downs about sex, teenage pregnacy, drug awareness...etc....I dont think the Statuatory **** thing EVER came up...You didnt have to worry about that until you graduated and even then there were these un-written rules that you dont date someone in High School once you finshed....but I agree with YOU guys...By LAW...he broke the rules....It's the Rules and the LAW that I dont agree with. And Implacable...I see your stance as a father of 3 girls...Maybe my tune will change once I have my daughter...I already think that once she kids to that age I'm gonna give her the "All boys are evil and stay away from them" speech...I think this was more MORALLY wrong then breaking the law. Catch 22....but in the end he broke the law..should he be punished like the 55 year old guys who have to get your approval to move into the neighborhood? No......

Here we go with the old saying. Ignornce of the law is no excuse. Did that first DPS trooper let you off that speeding ticket. Because you didnt remember if they went over that 80 mph in a school zone in Mrs Simpsom drivers Ed class. He probley just said tell it to the judge.

[dada]

Here we go with the old saying. Ignornce of the law is no excuse. Did that first DPS trooper let you off that speeding ticket. Because you didnt remember if they went over that 80 mph in a school zone in Mrs Simpsom drivers Ed class. He probley just said tell it to the judge.
Hopefully the Judge would have a lil sympathy and not throw the book at me like some of us are wanting to happen to the student in this case.

I'm not saying it's ignorance of the law....but in high school that's not something you worry about....just like you dont worry about all those speed limits when you're not old enough to drive.

[implacable44]

France has never lost a war? well Gaul (france) was defeated by Rome , The vikings beat the Franks ( France) in the 900's ; I think you could say the black death plague beat France - ummh-- I don't think they won the 7 -year war either -- They lost the Franco Prussian war trying to stop the unification of Germany - WW1 - germany basically had France conquered until we saved them and likewise in WW2 - I think there was a French unit in Vietnam that surrendered to the Vietcong like the Cowards they are. -

[Thor]

Hopefully the Judge would have a lil sympathy and not throw the book at me like some of us are wanting to happen to the student in this case.

Believe me I hope the judge does go easy on the man, but he needs to go and face it like a man. And we need to expect him to act like an adult. Because he is one.

Wether he is a 17 year old Senior or a 21 year old senior . He is responsible for his actions in HS or not.

[dada]

Believe me I hope the judge does go easy on the man, but he needs to go and face it like a man. And we need to expect him to act like an adult. Because he is one.

Wether he is a 17 year old Senior or a 21 year old senior . He is responsible for his actions in HS or not.
And Hopefully he LEARNS from it and this serves as a wake up call to high school kids everywhere.

[Thor]

France has never lost a war? well Gaul (france) was defeated by Rome , The vikings beat the Franks ( France) in the 900's ; I think you could say the black death plague beat France - ummh-- I don't think they won the 7 -year war either -- They lost the Franco Prussian war trying to stop the unification of Germany - WW1 - germany basically had France conquered until we saved them and likewise in WW2 - I think there was a French unit in Vietnam that surrendered to the Vietcong like the Cowards they are. -

The French were defeated during WW2 even signed their surrender papers at the same place Germany surrendered to them in WW1. Freekin FROGS

[GoOwls]

France never lost a war, eh? Then I guess you know why they have so many tree lined boulevards then? It's because the German Army likes to travel in the shade.

Maybe you heard about the French Army rifle for sale?
The add read: Pristine French Army rifle for sale. Never fired, dropped once. :D

[bullrock]

I was really hoping to soften this thread up a little and get all the fighting stopped. I knew if I said something positive about the French I could detract everyone from the fight. I went to France last year on business. If you take your blinders off and just get to know people, instead of governments, you get a whole different view. I try to stay out of their politics. None of my business as ours is none of theirs. The only thing that was discussed politcally was how scared they are of Bush. Anyway, one did remind me that they haven't lost a modern day war (for obvious reasons) and I reminded him of the Louisiana purchase and what the USA got for a dollar. His come back was "look what the British got for their US investment". Anyway, I learned a little more history on this thread.

[Fleeman93]

I thought the Frenchies didn't care for America and Americans for the most part.

[Thor]

I was really hoping to soften this thread up a little and get all the fighting stopped. I knew if I said something positive about the French I could detract everyone from the fight. I went to France last year on business. If you take your blinders off and just get to know people, instead of governments, you get a whole different view. I try to stay out of their politics. None of my business as ours is none of theirs. The only thing that was discussed politcally was how scared they are of Bush. Anyway, one did remind me that they haven't lost a modern day war (for obvious reasons) and I reminded him of the Louisiana purchase and what the USA got for a dollar. His come back was "look what the British got for their US investment". Anyway, I learned a little more history on this thread.

The Brits got Canada. Hell the French couldnt even hang on to Mexico.

[4down]

I hate to digress from the topic of the Liberty, er, French and their "alleged" cowardice, ;) but this whole situation brings to mind an interesting article in ESPN the magazine about Bronco Mendenhall and BYU's efforts to maintain a standard of integrity while still fielding a competitive football team - I'm glad theres still one example of a team that tries to enforce its rules - even if it means losing some football games instead of coddling athletes and making them think they can get away with anything

[implacable44]

me too. I applaud coaches that don't allow bad eggs into their program.

[Redneckn]

this sounds all too familiar :( ...i doubt it will even go to court...i was arrested for that same thing and held with 15000 dollar bond (just like in this case)... and i was told that it was a 3 year rule...so if i had been a year younger or she had been a year older, other than a few nights in jail, that's all that woulda happend...but since it was 4 years it was pending in the courts for a couple months (longest months of my life) and then they just dropped the case... and i'm not listed as a sex offender or child molester or n e thing like that but however the only thing i have now is an arrest record :eek: ...if the girls parents don't press charges, depending on how b*tchy the DA is... it'll more than likely just be dropped...who's to say what the football team will do to him tho after the publicity :confused:...prolly nothin tho its texas for god sake


Child Toucher!

[CoppellCowboy57]

Child Toucher!

Hey man, uncalled for...this thread need to be locked its getting out of hand

[KT2000]

I think all that needs to have been said on the original subject has been said. This thread has run its course.