Michael Vick was Contrite

[Favpack]

He pleaded guilty, took 100% of the blame, and spoke honestly and ad-lib at his press conference. He's in shock and is sorry. I say give him 6 months in the pen, 3 months house arrest, two years probation with 200 hours of service at the local pet shelter, and let him come back to the NFL in '08.

[SLC93]

He pleaded guilty, took 100% of the blame, and spoke honestly and ad-lib at his press conference. He's in shock and is sorry. I say give him 6 months in the pen, 3 months house arrest, two years probation with 200 hours of service at the local pet shelter, and let him come back to the NFL in '08.

Was he just convincing or did he appear genuine? I'll catch it on ESPN News later. It may be too little too late with regards to sentencing & I'm not sure his carefully worded plea is going to help him in the eyes of the judge. Not wishing the worst for him just my opinion. His agent & legal teams have done an absolutely horrendous job of advising him how to handle this situation. Under no circumstance should this be the first time we've heard from him. Furthermore, if his original attorney had handled this correctly he would have avoided the involvement of the feds and probablt kept any sentence to the absolute minimum. Of course, we're not privy to what Vick was divulging to the people he pays to help keep him out of trouble.

[KT2000]

I've never lost millions in guaranteed present and future financial security, but I imagine that'd humble most people.

[Favpack]

Was he just convincing or did he appear genuine? I'll catch it on ESPN News later. It may be too little too late with regards to sentencing & I'm not sure his carefully worded plea is going to help him in the eyes of the judge. Not wishing the worst for him just my opinion. His agent & legal teams have done an absolutely horrendous job of advising him how to handle this situation. Under no circumstance should this be the first time we've heard from him. Furthermore, if his original attorney had handled this correctly he would have avoided the involvement of the feds and probablt kept any sentence to the absolute minimum. Of course, we're not privy to what Vick was divulging to the people he pays to help keep him out of trouble.

I listened to it - and did not see it yet. Most were surprised he wasn't just reading something scripted.

He said he was speaking from the heart and said he wasn't a great public speaker. He took full blame, apologized to everyone specifically -and further apologized to Goodell and Blank for lying - said he was ashamed of himself and lied to cover it up initially.

He said he found Jesus in this process -and I believed all of it. I've got no problem letting him play in '08, but then again I'm not the Commish.

[twcpfan1]

If Michael Vick does go to jail, I hope it's a minimum security facility like the ones the Enron convicts are in. I don't think he did anything that even compares to what those guys did. I don't think putting him in with murderers and other violent criminals will achieve anything. Certainly not rehabilitation which I feel is more appropriate in his case.

[Texasfrog]

I listened to it - and did not see it yet. Most were surprised he wasn't just reading something scripted.

He said he was speaking from the heart and said he wasn't a great public speaker. He took full blame, apologized to everyone specifically -and further apologized to Goodell and Blank for lying - said he was ashamed of himself and lied to cover it up initially.

He said he found Jesus in this process -and I believed all of it. I've got no problem letting him play in '08, but then again I'm not the Commish.

I think the NFL suspension will start when the Prison sentence is over from what I've heard.

So, he'll probably get 1 1/2 years in jail which basically knocks out two seasons. Then he'll probably get suspended for at least 1 year.

My hunch is he wont see a NFL field for at least 3 seasons.

[KT2000]

What still gets me about this whole case is comments Emmitt Smith made when asked about it roughly a month or so ago. He seemed to indicate dog fighting culture was prevalent in the NFL. Coming from someone as well respected as Emmitt, that was shocking to me.

[Texasfrog]

What still gets me about this whole case is comments Emmitt Smith made when asked about it roughly a month or so ago. He seemed to indicate dog fighting culture was prevalent in the NFL. Coming from someone as well respected as Emmitt, that was shocking to me.

Well, M. Vick is working for the government now as a (CW) so it will be interesing to see if he gives up any inside "info" about that to the FEDS.

One part of any Plea Aggrement is helping yourself which basically means you start talking to the FEDS about every and anything you know.

PS. Also so you know. If a FED ask you a question "You have to answer it."

If you get caught "LYING" than they can use that against you. So, M. Vick has to be totally honest with everything he says from now on.;)

[Favpack]

What still gets me about this whole case is comments Emmitt Smith made when asked about it roughly a month or so ago. He seemed to indicate dog fighting culture was prevalent in the NFL. Coming from someone as well respected as Emmitt, that was shocking to me.

Dog fighting was VERY prevalent in the NFL probably right up until this broke. Nate Newton was fined several years ago and he and everyone laughed it off with the "everyone does it" bit.

And, think about this - what is the logo for MTV2?

Two vicious dogs looking like they're ready to fight. This stuff is very, very prevalent in these circles.

[dada]

What still gets me about this whole case is comments Emmitt Smith made when asked about it roughly a month or so ago. He seemed to indicate dog fighting culture was prevalent in the NFL. Coming from someone as well respected as Emmitt, that was shocking to me.

Dog fighting in the NFL is just a prevalent as Office Pool tournaments for March Madness.

[ktCarl]

Dog fighting in the NFL is just a prevalent as Office Pool tournaments for March Madness.


It's still not right no matter if everybody in the Universe does it.

[SLC93]

What still gets me about this whole case is comments Emmitt Smith made when asked about it roughly a month or so ago. He seemed to indicate dog fighting culture was prevalent in the NFL. Coming from someone as well respected as Emmitt, that was shocking to me.

I love Emmitt as much as the next person but does anyone else feel like he's the next Magic Johnson with a mike in his hand? I've cringed everytime I've heard him on ESPN doing analysist work. Magic was the same way. I never could look at him the same way after listening to him speak on his short lived talk show & when he was doing commentary for the NBA. It's painful. The ability to speak should be a prerequisite for a job in broadcasting, no?

[KT2000]

The ability to speak should be a prerequisite for a job in broadcasting, no?

Allow Stephen A. to chime in.

On the surface, YOU would be CO-RRECT! HOW-EVAH, there's a little thing TO-DAY known as the shock jock! I am the very def-i-nition! My man Ear-vin Ma-gic John-son has CHAR-IS-MA! A million-dollah smile! It's not a-bout bein able to SPEAK! It's about lovin the camera and the camera lovin you BACK! I am NOT Av-ery John-son! Magic is NOT Av-ery John-son!

[SLC93]

Allow Stephen A. to chime in.

On the surface, YOU would be CO-RRECT! HOW-EVAH, there's a little thing TO-DAY known as the shock jock! I am the very def-i-nition! My man Ear-vin Ma-gic John-son has CHAR-IS-MA! A million-dollah smile! It's not a-bout bein able to SPEAK! It's about lovin the camera and the camera lovin you BACK! I am NOT Av-ery John-son! Magic is NOT Av-ery John-son!

You ain't cool unless you pee your pants. After that one,KT, consider me Miles Davis.:D That's just good stuff. :D

[dada]

It's still not right no matter if everybody in the Universe does it.

That's what they told you at Rhodes when you tried to bring that cowbell in there!:D

[pack75]

If Michael Vick does go to jail, I hope it's a minimum security facility like the ones the Enron convicts are in. I don't think he did anything that even compares to what those guys did. I don't think putting him in with murderers and other violent criminals will achieve anything. Certainly not rehabilitation which I feel is more appropriate in his case.

Great post cavdad. This judicial system we have here often seems backwards. We let people who kill there own children and kill other humans escape pinatentary time! And just send them to a psychiatrist.:rolleyes: But we want to put someone under the darn jailhouse for killing animals (which I don't agree with killing animals at all). So I guess we're now putting animal rights over human rights now???

But I really think Vick should be able to return to the NFL. Don't know when, but he should be given another chance to play ball.

[LoneRocket]

I think the NFL suspension will start when the Prison sentence is over from what I've heard.

So, he'll probably get 1 1/2 years in jail which basically knocks out two seasons. Then he'll probably get suspended for at least 1 year.

My hunch is he wont see a NFL field for at least 3 seasons.

If he is on probation he might not be allowed to play in the CFL because he probably can't leave the country without permission.

[Favpack]

This week's sign of the Apocalypse.

ESPN has consulted with "Apology Experts" to grade the apology.

One gave Mike an A and another said he was in sharp disagreement - he gave it a C.

Now we need experts to grade the apology experts grades.

[pack75]

This week's sign of the Apocalypse.

ESPN has consulted with "Apology Experts" to grade the apology.

One gave Mike an A and another said he was in sharp disagreement - he gave it a C.

Now we need experts to grade the apology experts grades.

LOL!!!:p

[backthepack]

Allow Stephen A. to chime in.

On the surface, YOU would be CO-RRECT! HOW-EVAH, there's a little thing TO-DAY known as the shock jock! I am the very def-i-nition! My man Ear-vin Ma-gic John-son has CHAR-IS-MA! A million-dollah smile! It's not a-bout bein able to SPEAK! It's about lovin the camera and the camera lovin you BACK! I am NOT Av-ery John-son! Magic is NOT Av-ery John-son!

Hahaha, exactly how Stephen A. would say it as well. Also reminded me of Chris Rock.

But I agree mostly with what you guys are saying about his punishments. But I believe his punishment should have more interest pertaining to the crime. For example, giving a percentage of his yearly salary to animal charities or humane societies. Like someone said, putting him in jail with muderers and robbers is not going to help ANYONE out, but at least the other way he would be sort of making amends for his actions. Sort of an eye for an eye deal.

[Bobcat81]

Was he just convincing or did he appear genuine? I'll catch it on ESPN News later. It may be too little too late with regards to sentencing & I'm not sure his carefully worded plea is going to help him in the eyes of the judge. Not wishing the worst for him just my opinion. His agent & legal teams have done an absolutely horrendous job of advising him how to handle this situation. Under no circumstance should this be the first time we've heard from him. Furthermore, if his original attorney had handled this correctly he would have avoided the involvement of the feds and probablt kept any sentence to the absolute minimum. Of course, we're not privy to what Vick was divulging to the people he pays to help keep him out of trouble.

I didn't think it was that genuine. Just my opinion. Seemed more the tone of "Yeah,..i got caught so they say i'm supposed to say i'm sorry" kind of thing. He seemed a bit embarrassed that he had to say it almost holding back what appeared to be a smirk.

[SLC93]

This week's sign of the Apocalypse.

ESPN has consulted with "Apology Experts" to grade the apology.

One gave Mike an A and another said he was in sharp disagreement - he gave it a C.

Now we need experts to grade the apology experts grades.

Holy crap! Are you kidding me? Time to get right with your maker, fellas.:D

[SLC93]

If he is on probation he might not be allowed to play in the CFL because he probably can't leave the country without permission.

His passport has already been revoked and he's not allowed to leave the state without permission. Effective immediately he will be living under the rules set forth by the US Marshals & the federal government. Most likely he'll be required to report to an officer of the court on a strict schedule, perhaps once a week, until sentencing.

[SLC93]

I didn't think it was horrible but I wasn't as convinced as some. To his credit, he didn't read a prepared statement or use note cards. That counts for alot in my book. The problem is it's just too little, too late. Whomever thought it was a good idea for him to remain silent until now should be forced to share a cell with him for conspiracy to spread idiocy. Vick failed himself & the people he pays to protect him from himself failed him. Sad.

[KT2000]

Holy crap! Are you kidding me? Time to get right with your maker, fellas.:D

One of the many reasons I no longer watch MTV 3 unless a game is on. Merrill Hoge and the fake baseball press conference did it for me. Little did I know Trev Alberts was just an appetizer to the lunacy that would follow.

[K-Rock]

I didn't think it was that genuine. Just my opinion. Seemed more the tone of "Yeah,..i got caught so they say i'm supposed to say i'm sorry" kind of thing. He seemed a bit embarrassed that he had to say it almost holding back what appeared to be a smirk.

Everyone is sorry after they ge caught. If his "boys" hadn't rolled on him, he would still be denying everything. He has a PR guy with a high salary coaching him through all of this IMO.

[SLC93]

One of the many reasons I no longer watch MTV 3 unless a game is on. Merrill Hoge and the fake baseball press conference did it for me. Little did I know Trev Alberts was just an appetizer to the lunacy that would follow.

I think you need to consult a Hoge expert for a better understanding of today's events. :confused: :D

[Bobcat81]

Everyone is sorry after they ge caught. If his "boys" hadn't rolled on him, he would still be denying everything. He has a PR guy with a high salary coaching him through all of this IMO.

No doubt. Had he not got caught, he'd probably be grinning ear to ear at the thought of throwing down on another round in this god awful blood sport.

[mad_fan]

No doubt. Had he not got caught, he'd probably be grinning ear to ear at the thought of throwing down on another round in this god awful blood sport.

Guess what he'll be doing...if he doesn't play football again...

[TheBigPeach]

I say lock his butt in a jail cell with "Bubba" and see if hurting dogs was worth it.:D

http://metaljesusrocks.com/gallery/d/880-1/Drop_the_Soap-Its_a_trap.jpg

[Pearland 06]

HAHAHHAHAHA freakin AMAZING pic. I love that you can see toes right behind him :-P

[Texasfrog]

If he is on probation he might not be allowed to play in the CFL because he probably can't leave the country without permission.

The CFL just passed what they call the "Ricky Williams Rule." A player that is suspended from the NFL cannont go play in the CFL anymore.

[Texasfrog]

Everyone is sorry after they ge caught. If his "boys" hadn't rolled on him, he would still be denying everything. He has a PR guy with a high salary coaching him through all of this IMO.

Probably right with all of that. I dont think he would of rolled over if he's "boys" didnt flip first. When the flipped he's attorneys really had no choice. Ya, they could of fought it in court but that's a big risk and if he would lose in court he would of been looking at 5 years at least.

Now, he'll probably only do 1 or 1 1/2 years and another 1 or so of an NFL suspension. I say it will probabbly be 3 seasons until he see's a NFL field. 2009 at the earliest but probably 2010.

Two things people are usually after they get "Caught and busted." They are usually very "SORRY" and they usually find "JESUS" really fast. Funny how all that works.;)

[Humblefied]

I didn't think it was that genuine. Just my opinion. Seemed more the tone of "Yeah,..i got caught so they say i'm supposed to say i'm sorry" kind of thing. He seemed a bit embarrassed that he had to say it almost holding back what appeared to be a smirk.

If he hadn't meant it, then he would of paid someone to write a speech instead of going through all the embarrassment. I don't know about you, but most men don't like to admitt they did wrong and I doubt you do as well (I really hope you are male). It really is Vick breaking out of his shell. He means it, its just hard because all men alike just don't like to admitt they did wrong.

[CyFair'86]

I think the NFL suspension will start when the Prison sentence is over from what I've heard.

So, he'll probably get 1 1/2 years in jail which basically knocks out two seasons. Then he'll probably get suspended for at least 1 year.

My hunch is he wont see a NFL field for at least 3 seasons.

The judge in this case is known for being a tough judge. Vick will probably be lucky to get only 1 1/2 years from this judge. The judge doesn't have to go by anything the prosecution request, and it still possible that the judge gives him the max of 5 years..

[Bobcat81]

If he hadn't meant it, then he would of paid someone to write a speech instead of going through all the embarrassment. I don't know about you, but most men don't like to admitt they did wrong and I doubt you do as well (I really hope you are male). It really is Vick breaking out of his shell. He means it, its just hard because all men alike just don't like to admitt they did wrong.

If there were a process to vote for dogfighting to be legal, rest assured, Vick would vote for it. He'd vote for it because he doesn't feel like there's anything wrong with it.

The only reason he got up there and made any kind of a half a$$ apology was because his attorneys told him it was the right thing to do, not because he wanted to on his own. Vick is only sorry about one thing and one thing only..getting caught.

I don't have any problem admitting when i'm wrong. If you're honest and try to do what's morally right, then more often than not, you won't have to make apologies. When you don't live by that rule, then yeah, i'd say apologies come pretty tough.

[Texasfrog]

The judge in this case is known for being a tough judge. Vick will probably be lucky to get only 1 1/2 years from this judge. The judge doesn't have to go by anything the prosecution request, and it still possible that the judge gives him the max of 5 years..

Ya, but 99% of the time the judge leans toward the deal the prosecution made with the defendant. You never know and the judge may try to make this an example to all Pro athletes and slam him (Vick) but I dont see it happennig. At the most I see two years in jail but I'm thinking he'll get about 18 months.

But, once he is released from jail is when the real NFL suspension kicks in. He wont serve the suspension while behind bars the NFL already said that. So, he'll probably miss 2 years of football because of jail and then probably another 1 NFL suspenson. That's why I think he wont see an NFL field for at least 3 years.

But, who knows.. We'll find out what the judge has to say in a couple of months. If I was M. Vick I would want to start serving that sentence "ASAP" because everyday that goes by right now and over the next couple of years is costing him bigtime "$$$$."

[Bobcat81]

Ya, but 99% of the time the judge leans toward the deal the prosecution made with the defendant. You never know and the judge may try to make this an example to all Pro athletes and slam him (Vick) but I dont see it happennig. At the most I see two years in jail but I'm thinking he'll get about 18 months.

But, once he is released from jail is when the real NFL suspension kicks in. He wont serve the suspension while behind bars the NFL already said that. So, he'll probably miss 2 years of football because of jail and then probably another 1 NFL suspenson. That's why I think he wont see an NFL field for at least 3 years.

But, who knows.. We'll find out what the judge has to say in a couple of months. If I was M. Vick I would want to start serving that sentence "ASAP" because everyday that goes by right now and over the next couple of years is costing him bigtime "$$$$."

On top of being a hard-nosed judge, he's also stated that he's an avid dog lover. Vick probably looked like :eek: when he heard that.

To top it off, the judge told him, "When sentencing comes,..regardless of my decsion, it's my decision and you're going to have to live with it."

If i'd heard that from any judge, i'd take it that i might as well drop my pants, bend over and take what's coming :eek: :eek:

[Texasfrog]

On top of being a hard-nosed judge, he's also stated that he's an avid dog lover. Vick probably looked like :eek: when he heard that.

To top it off, the judge told him, "When sentencing comes,..regardless of my decsion, it's my decision and you're going to have to live with it."

If i'd heard that from any judge, i'd take it that i might as well drop my pants, bend over and take what's coming :eek: :eek:

Ouch !!!:eek:

Ya, that doesnt sound very good for Mr. Vick. But, we'll still have to see how it shapes out. I still think it's 2 years max behind bars but probably more like 18 months.

I'm not sure what the NFL is going to do. To be totally honest, I think the NFL may actually slamp Vick harder than the judge when it's all said and done.

[slorch]

I listened to it - and did not see it yet. Most were surprised he wasn't just reading something scripted.

He said he was speaking from the heart and said he wasn't a great public speaker. He took full blame, apologized to everyone specifically -and further apologized to Goodell and Blank for lying - said he was ashamed of himself and lied to cover it up initially.

He said he found Jesus in this process -and I believed all of it. I've got no problem letting him play in '08, but then again I'm not the Commish.

he played the "grace" card. Always a winning hand.:D

[slorch]

One of the many reasons I no longer watch MTV 3 unless a game is on. Merrill Hoge and the fake baseball press conference did it for me. Little did I know Trev Alberts was just an appetizer to the lunacy that would follow.

Now that Skip Bayless... he knows his stuff.:rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Michael Vick will be back in the NFL, in 2009.

3 Reasons why:

1) The Judge also told Vick, "I will give you a fair sentence, and nothing that is more than needed." We all know his reputation, by now.. but I don't think he goes after Vick that way. I think he gives Vick 12 months in a "Par 3 Vacation Resort".

2) CNN, Fox Sports and ESPN keep using these "Internet Polls" to try and see what the publics reaction is... that is all skewed. Vick's true followers (for the most part) live in low-income areas (ghettos) and can't afford computers and internet services. They aren't PETA followers or Middle-American's, who can afford 2 or 3 computers, per household. They aren't college preppies, at Yale (or any other college), that are bored and get online to voice their opinion about a "hip-hop culture" overpaid thug. Vick's true followers have been there, are there and will be there when he comes back to the NFL. (And THAT number is in the MILLIONS, btw!)

3) The NFL understands the weight of the decision, to reinstate Vick and loss of fanbase implications, but they also understand the longevity of an NFL football player's career. Regardless of what you guys may think.. Goodell will take that into consideration. I think he is more forgiving than some assume, just because he is quick to initially lay down a suspension.

Honestly,
I think this "dogfighting" sub-culture will open up a can of worms, for what I think is considered morally correct and what's not. The debate will become more racially charged. From deer-hunting for sport to test-animals to Horse Racing to the Rodeo to the Circus... I think this country will take a step back, in a sense. Sad, but probably needed. There are too many hypocritical outlooks on society and in law.

[Favpack]

Michael Vick will be back in the NFL, in 2009.

3 Reasons why:

1) The Judge also told Vick, "I will give you a fair sentence, and nothing that is more than needed." We all know his reputation, by now.. but I don't think he goes after Vick that way. I think he gives Vick 12 months in a "Par 3 Vacation Resort".

2) CNN, Fox Sports and ESPN keep using these "Internet Polls" to try and see what the publics reaction is... that is all skewed. Vick's true followers (for the most part) live in low-income areas (ghettos) and can't afford computers and internet services. They aren't PETA followers or Middle-American's, who can afford 2 or 3 computers, per household. They aren't college preppies, at Yale (or any other college), that are bored and get online to voice their opinion about a "hip-hop culture" overpaid thug. Vick's true followers have been there, are there and will be there when he comes back to the NFL. (And THAT number is in the MILLIONS, btw!)

3) The NFL understands the weight of the decision, to reinstate Vick and loss of fanbase implications, but they also understand the longevity of an NFL football player's career. Regardless of what you guys may think.. Goodell will take that into consideration. I think he is more forgiving than some assume, just because he is quick to initially lay down a suspension.

Honestly,
I think this "dogfighting" sub-culture will open up a can of worms, for what I think is considered morally correct and what's not. The debate will become more racially charged. From deer-hunting for sport to test-animals to Horse Racing to the Rodeo to the Circus... I think this country will take a step back, in a sense. Sad, but probably needed. There are too many hypocritical outlooks on society and in law.


I agree. Here in good ol' East Texas we've got Hog dogs. This is where pretty nasty dogs go huntin' wild hogs, corner them and while they don't kill the hog - they can mess one up. It's really big stuff among ET rednecks.

Plus, you do have lots of other borderline inhumane things that are not getting the same publicity. It will get interesting.

[chhspantherfan]

[/B]


I agree. Here in good ol' East Texas we've got Hog dogs. This is where pretty nasty dogs go huntin' wild hogs, corner them and while they don't kill the hog - they can mess one up. It's really big stuff among ET rednecks.

Plus, you do have lots of other borderline inhumane things that are not getting the same publicity. It will get interesting.


We have a rule in our lodge, that you eat what you kill. If all looked at it that way, then this would all go away. Except for the Vegans. :D

[Texasfrog]

[/B]


I agree. Here in good ol' East Texas we've got Hog dogs. This is where pretty nasty dogs go huntin' wild hogs, corner them and while they don't kill the hog - they can mess one up. It's really big stuff among ET rednecks.

Plus, you do have lots of other borderline inhumane things that are not getting the same publicity. It will get interesting.

I agree with that now. People that are taking the dogs out to hunt hogs. Those dogs "bay" those hogs and many times those dogs get screwed up.

I know because my Uncle (former NFL player) is big into that crap. He's had a number of dogs screwed up by Hog tusk.

[SLC93]

Michael Vick will be back in the NFL, in 2009.

3 Reasons why:

1) The Judge also told Vick, "I will give you a fair sentence, and nothing that is more than needed." We all know his reputation, by now.. but I don't think he goes after Vick that way. I think he gives Vick 12 months in a "Par 3 Vacation Resort".

2) CNN, Fox Sports and ESPN keep using these "Internet Polls" to try and see what the publics reaction is... that is all skewed. Vick's true followers (for the most part) live in low-income areas (ghettos) and can't afford computers and internet services. They aren't PETA followers or Middle-American's, who can afford 2 or 3 computers, per household. They aren't college preppies, at Yale (or any other college), that are bored and get online to voice their opinion about a "hip-hop culture" overpaid thug. Vick's true followers have been there, are there and will be there when he comes back to the NFL. (And THAT number is in the MILLIONS, btw!)

3) The NFL understands the weight of the decision, to reinstate Vick and loss of fanbase implications, but they also understand the longevity of an NFL football player's career. Regardless of what you guys may think.. Goodell will take that into consideration. I think he is more forgiving than some assume, just because he is quick to initially lay down a suspension.

Honestly,
I think this "dogfighting" sub-culture will open up a can of worms, for what I think is considered morally correct and what's not. The debate will become more racially charged. From deer-hunting for sport to test-animals to Horse Racing to the Rodeo to the Circus... I think this country will take a step back, in a sense. Sad, but probably needed. There are too many hypocritical outlooks on society and in law.

2009 is a longshot, imo. Sentencing is 12/11, so even if he only gets a year 07 & 08 are out. Then he'll have to deal with his NFL suspension. Let's pretend that's only 8 games, that puts the middle of 09 as the first time he'll be available. Now you're dealing with the issue of who signs him. Once he's signed this guy has 2-3 years of rust to knock off. 2010 is the year your looking for.

[dada]

[/B]


I agree. Here in good ol' East Texas we've got Hog dogs. This is where pretty nasty dogs go huntin' wild hogs, corner them and while they don't kill the hog - they can mess one up. It's really big stuff among ET rednecks.

Plus, you do have lots of other borderline inhumane things that are not getting the same publicity. It will get interesting.

Several dead dogs were found on DMX's Arizona property after a raid this week. I guess since he's really not selling records anymore it didnt make the news.

[Favpack]

Several dead dogs were found on DMX's Arizona property after a raid this week. I guess since he's really not selling records anymore it didnt make the news.

Some were speculating if Vick "helped" this prosecution.

[chhspantherfan]

Some were speculating if Vick "helped" this prosecution.

or "persecution":rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

2009 is a longshot, imo. Sentencing is 12/11, so even if he only gets a year 07 & 08 are out. Then he'll have to deal with his NFL suspension. Let's pretend that's only 8 games, that puts the middle of 09 as the first time he'll be available. Now you're dealing with the issue of who signs him. Once he's signed this guy has 2-3 years of rust to knock off. 2010 is the year your looking for.

I here yeah, but I'm going with 2009. Unless the Judge really hammers him (which I don't think he will) or the State goes after him, Vick will be on the field in 2009. I think Goodell will consider that this is not like Pacman Jones or other players. The reason he hands down Games/Season Suspensions is to take away the opportunity to make money, have football success and benefit a team, from the player standpoint. In Vick's case, he'll most likely lose two football seasons, WITHOUT PAY! THE MAIN ASPECT IS NO FOOTBALL PLAY OR PAY!! Goodell WILL take into account that Vick is not playing and is not being paid, which is why he gave an Indefinite (Uncertain) Suspension. He'll evaluate Vick's progression (in prison) and consider him for reinstatement, as soon as he comes out of prison. You guys will be surprised.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Several dead dogs were found on DMX's Arizona property after a raid this week. I guess since he's really not selling records anymore it didnt make the news.

DMX is selling... it's just not Middle-America, so.. "who cares?":rolleyes: ;)

Oh.. and he's not a $130-million dollar (hoody) superstar!:D

[pack0808]

Is anybody really surprised that DMX was fighting pit bulls considering his videos. What happened to that guy anyways? I thought he was going to be a rap star for a long time?

[Favpack]

Is anybody really surprised that DMX was fighting pit bulls considering his videos. What happened to that guy anyways? I thought he was going to be a rap star for a long time?

Long is relative in that biz. I personally like Tone Loc - what happened to him? Hammer?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Is anybody really surprised that DMX was fighting pit bulls considering his videos. What happened to that guy anyways? I thought he was going to be a rap star for a long time?

DMX still sells.. it's just more "urban" (and East Coast) than ever. Not many "hard" rappers that are selling, nationwide, anymore. There is alot of censorship involved, so most true hip-hop songs sound likey a mixture of pop and hip hop. I call it Hip Pop! (IE.. T-Land, Timberlake, Kingston, P.Diddy etc.) 50 Cent and Eminem also come to mind. They're not "hard" rappers (or at least not like DMX, Jigga, Busta, Snoop, M.P, Wu-Tang, Swisha, Pastor Troy, Tru etc.) and have a sound that is marketable to 15 yr-old Middle-American rebels... who blast that (Hip Pop) sound in their $65K+ BMW's. Hilarious.

[KT2000]

Is anybody really surprised that DMX was fighting pit bulls considering his videos. What happened to that guy anyways? I thought he was going to be a rap star for a long time?

He became too busy trying to keep himself out of jail.

[dada]

DMX still sells.. it's just more "urban" (and East Coast) than ever. Not many "hard" rappers that are selling, nationwide, anymore. There is alot of censorship involved, so most true hip-hop songs sound likey a mixture of pop and hip hop. I call it Hip Pop! (IE.. T-Land, Timberlake, Kingston, P.Diddy etc.) 50 Cent and Eminem also come to mind. They're not "hard" rappers (or at least not like DMX, Jigga, Busta, Snoop, M.P, Wu-Tang, Swisha etc.) and have a sound that is marketable to 15 yr-old Middle-American rebels... who blast that (Hip Pop) sound in their $65K+ BMW's. Hilarious.

Pimp C said it best....all the top selling "Hardcore Gangsta Rappers" where wearing timberlands, a backpack, one pants leg rolled up with headphones on" in 1995....now they are "Hard".

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Pimp C said it best....all the top selling "Hardcore Gangsta Rappers" where wearing timberlands, a backpack, one pants leg rolled up with headphones on" in 1995....now they are "Hard".

:D ;)

[SLC93]

I here yeah, but I'm going with 2009. Unless the Judge really hammers him (which I don't think he will) or the State goes after him, Vick will be on the field in 2009. I think Goodell will consider that this is not like Pacman Jones or other players. The reason he hands down Games/Season Suspensions is to take away the opportunity to make money, have football success and benefit a team, from the player standpoint. In Vick's case, he'll most likely lose two football seasons, WITHOUT PAY! THE MAIN ASPECT IS NO FOOTBALL PLAY OR PAY!! Goodell WILL take into account that Vick is not playing and is not being paid, which is why he gave an Indefinite (Uncertain) Suspension. He'll evaluate Vick's progression (in prison) and consider him for reinstatement, as soon as he comes out of prison. You guys will be surprised.

I agree that the commissioner may be more sympathetic than original estimations but Vick isn't going to walk away from this without a suspension from the league. It may not be life or even a full season but he will lose games as a result of the league punishment. Goodell will not want to appear to be satisfied with the incarceration being the only reason vick misses time. It won't go over well publicly & would be completely inconsistent with how he's dealt with other players after they've served their time. The only way Vick sees the field in 09 is if the judge comes in with a lighter sentence than the prosecutors have recommended. If Vick proves to be a fount of information as a cooperating witness that's not beyond the realm of possibility but it is unlikely.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I agree that the commissioner may be more sympathetic than original estimations but Vick isn't going to walk away from this without a suspension from the league. It may not be life or even a full season but he will lose games as a result of the league punishment. Goodell will not want to appear to be satisfied with the incarceration being the only reason vick misses time. It won't go over well publicly & would be completely inconsistent with how he's dealt with other players after they've served their time. The only way Vick sees the field in 09 is if the judge comes in with a lighter sentence than the prosecutors have recommended. If Vick proves to be a fount of information as a cooperating witness that's not beyond the realm of possibility but it is unlikely.

But that's my point, when the League hands out a suspension, most times (if not all times) it's to players who wouldn't miss the regular season, due to being in jail. Tank will miss the first 8 games and Pacman will miss a year.... of play and pay. With Vick missing "play and pay", due to possibly 2 years of incarciration, that may be enough time for Goodell to say, "Hey.. not only has he been in prison, but he's also missed 2 years of play and pay. I met with Vick and I feel that's enough of a punishment. I feel he must, now, earn his way back into the league, thus we're putting him on a probationary period." (Or something like that.) 2 years is a LONG time away from the NFL. Goodell is aware of that.

[Texasfrog]

But that's my point, when the League hands out a suspension, most times (if not all times) it's to players who wouldn't miss the regular season, due to being in jail. Tank will miss the first 8 games and Pacman will miss a year.... of play and pay. With Vick missing "play and pay", due to possibly 2 years of incarciration, that may be enough time for Goodell to say, "Hey.. not only has he been in prison, but he's also missed 2 years of play and pay. I met with Vick and I feel that's enough of a punishment. I feel he must, now, earn his way back into the league, thus we're putting him on a probationary period." (Or something like that.) 2 years is a LONG time away from the NFL. Goodell is aware of that.

I read that the NFL (Goodell) wont start the suspension until Michael Vick is done with he's jail time.

So, if he does approx 18 months that basically 2 football seasons. I expect the NFL will hit him with at least a 1 year suspension.

So, my hunch is that he wont see an NFL field for at least 3 years. I think the (2010) season is when we'll see Michael Vick suiting up again.

But, going three years without playing football at that level, Much less "QB" is going to be super tough. Plus, he wont be getting the multi-million dollar contract either from whoever signs him.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I read that the NFL (Goodell) wont start the suspension until Michael Vick is done with he's jail time.

So, if he does approx 18 months that basically 2 football seasons. I expect the NFL will hit him with at least a 1 year suspension.

So, my hunch is that he wont see an NFL field for at least 3 years. I think the (2010) season is when we'll see Michael Vick suiting up again.

But, going three years without playing football at that level, Much less "QB" is going to be super tough. Plus, he wont be getting the multi-million dollar contract either from whoever signs him.

We'll see, bro... it's just hard for me to believe Goodell would keep Vick out a third season. What would be the point?? He would've already missed 2 seasons of "play and pay"... all while being in a prison. I just wouldn't see the need to add more punishment.

[SLC93]

But that's my point, when the League hands out a suspension, most times (if not all times) it's to players who wouldn't miss the regular season, due to being in jail. Tank will miss the first 8 games and Pacman will miss a year.... of play and pay. With Vick missing "play and pay", due to possibly 2 years of incarciration, that may be enough time for Goodell to say, "Hey.. not only has he been in prison, but he's also missed 2 years of play and pay. I met with Vick and I feel that's enough of a punishment. I feel he must, now, earn his way back into the league, thus we're putting him on a probationary period." (Or something like that.) 2 years is a LONG time away from the NFL. Goodell is aware of that.

You never can tell but my feeling is he'll miss time. The commissioner has been terribly consistent, so far, during his time in office. Things that were once considered formalities, like reinstatement, are no loger. He's analyzing every case. Ask Odell Thurman, who was denied reinstatement. Regardless of how this plays out it is safe to assume Vick will be completelt removed from this game for 2 years minimum and quite probably more. I'm really not sure what his value is at the point he's able to come back. Don't misunderstand me. I believe he'll get a shot from someone. I also believe that since this was his first real brush with the law he deserves a second chance. I'm just unsure what he'll bring to the table. He's been an unpolished, at best, passer his entire career. How's he gonna be after 2-3years out of the game? His technique, mechanics and ability to read defenses have never been where they need to be in the past? How about after that lay off? He's got the best set of wheels in the NFL & it's been that gift that has made him amazing. How's the quickness, explosion, vision & cutback ability going to be after a 2-3 year layoff? Those legs will be 30 year old legs, not 27 year old legs. I wish the best for him. I hope he gets his life worked out & turned around. I pray he gets the chance to redeem himself as he said he has to. I'm just unsure what he'll be by the time this is all over.

[SLC93]

We'll see, bro... it's just hard for me to believe Goodell would keep Vick out a third season. What would be the point?? He would've already missed 2 seasons of "play and pay"... all while being in a prison. I just wouldn't see the need to add more punishment.

I think Goodell's line of thought is that the time Vick's losing right now is the debt he owes for breaking the laws of the land. He'll want him to pay a separate debt off for breaking the laws of the NFL. Don't underestimate the business situation Vick created when he chose to lie to the commissioner and Arthur Blank. Had his ego not overpowered his mind, there's a good chance that, with the NFL & it's attorneys behind him, all of this could have been handled on the state level and without the neverending, unmerciful, daily pounding of media coverage. His decision to lie and not accept the help of Goodell, a lifelong NFL employee, & Blank, a self made billionaire & one of the best business minds of our time, sunk him. The damage the league has sustained as a result of that untruth will have to be settled by Vick. The time he serves in prison may allow for a cooler head on Goodell's shoulder but, when the time comes, he will suspend him.

[dada]

I think Goodell's line of thought is that the time Vick's losing right now is the debt he owes for breaking the laws of the land. He'll want him to pay a separate debt off for breaking the laws of the NFL. Don't underestimate the business situation Vick created when he chose to lie to the commissioner and Arthur Blank. Had his ego not overpowered his mind, there's a good chance that, with the NFL & it's attorneys behind him, all of this could have been handled on the state level and without the neverending, unmerciful, daily pounding of media coverage. His decision to lie and not accept the help of Goodell, a lifelong NFL employee, & Blank, a self made billionaire & one of the best business minds of our time, sunk him. The damage the league has sustained as a result of that untruth will have to be settled by Vick. The time he serves in prison may allow for a cooler head on Goodell's shoulder but, when the time comes, he will suspend him.

He's setting the bar really high. If he does this to a guy who fights dogs, what is he gonna do to the next wife beater?

[Humblefied]

He's setting the bar really high. If he does this to a guy who fights dogs, what is he gonna do to the next wife beater?

I think he's hoping people will shape up now, BUT everyone knows that won't happen. Alls I got to say is the next wife beater is screwed. Yup screwed. Just flat out screwed.

[SLC93]

He's setting the bar really high. If he does this to a guy who fights dogs, what is he gonna do to the next wife beater?

Depends if the player lies about it, let's it dominate the headlines for an entire summer, admits his guilt at the last minute & only apologizes after the fact. The manner Vick chose to handle his situation :Censor: ed him as much as the actual crime. That's the sad state of the whole matter.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I think Goodell's line of thought is that the time Vick's losing right now is the debt he owes for breaking the laws of the land. He'll want him to pay a separate debt off for breaking the laws of the NFL. Don't underestimate the business situation Vick created when he chose to lie to the commissioner and Arthur Blank. Had his ego not overpowered his mind, there's a good chance that, with the NFL & it's attorneys behind him, all of this could have been handled on the state level and without the neverending, unmerciful, daily pounding of media coverage. His decision to lie and not accept the help of Goodell, a lifelong NFL employee, & Blank, a self made billionaire & one of the best business minds of our time, sunk him. The damage the league has sustained as a result of that untruth will have to be settled by Vick. The time he serves in prison may allow for a cooler head on Goodell's shoulder but, when the time comes, he will suspend him.

I think you will be surprised. If Vick does 18 months, I can see Goodell giving him a probationary period, instead. If Vick does 10-12 months, I can see Goodell suspending him for the 2008 season. It's the amount of time, away from "pay and play", that will weigh on the mind of Goodell.

JMO.

[SLC93]

I think you will be surprised. If Vick does 18 months, I can see Goodell giving him a probationary period, instead. If Vick does 10-12 months, I can see Goodell suspending him for the 2008 season. It's the amount of time, away from "pay and play", that will weigh on the mind of Goodell.

JMO.

I think we basically agree. We're just looking at it from two different angles. Alot of Vick's penalty from the NFL will be influenced by his sentence and his actions from yesterday's speech moving forward. The one thing Goodell has displayed a penchant for in analyzing a situation to best keep his options open. We'll see.

[mad_fan]

He's setting the bar really high. If he does this to a guy who fights dogs, what is he gonna do to the next wife beater?

Does she end up DEAD???

[mad_fan]

I think you will be surprised. If Vick does 18 months, I can see Goodell giving him a probationary period, instead. If Vick does 10-12 months, I can see Goodell suspending him for the 2008 season. It's the amount of time, away from "pay and play", that will weigh on the mind of Goodell.

JMO.


People search for Jesus for years...Vick found him on the weekend...I take the man at his word...
His furture can't be determined now...good jail time...no state charges...etc...would be positives for him...
Time heals a lot of wounds...but also will allows us to forget what could have been...and move on...
I don't know if he'll get himself to the point of a comeback...or if he'll be accepted...
But I wish him well...

[Texasfrog]

What's going to be real interesting in 2009 or 2019 is what NFL team take a chance and signs him.

That team will know that there will be a lot of public "backlash" from many different groups and it might hurt their reputation.

It will be interesting.

PS. To Mad Fan, I already said it once but I'll say it again. I've noticed over the years that when people finally get "Busted, admit guilt or basically get caught." Two things usually happen, They are all the sudden very very Sorry for what they did and they all the sudden find Jesus.

Not saying he (Michael Vick) isnt those two things but it's almost text-book.

[SGP 06 Alumni]

What's going to be real interesting in 2009 or 2019 is what NFL team take a chance and signs him.

That team will know that there will be a lot of public "backlash" from many different groups and it might hurt their reputation.

It will be interesting.

PS. To Mad Fan, I already said it once but I'll say it again. I've noticed over the years that when people finally get "Busted, admit guilt or basically get caught." Two things usually happen, They are all the sudden very very Sorry for what they did and they all the sudden find Jesus.

Not saying he (Michael Vick) isnt those two things but it's almost text-book.



Took the words right out of my mouth.

[SLC93]

What's going to be real interesting in 2009 or 2019 is what NFL team take a chance and signs him.

That team will know that there will be a lot of public "backlash" from many different groups and it might hurt their reputation.

It will be interesting.

PS. To Mad Fan, I already said it once but I'll say it again. I've noticed over the years that when people finally get "Busted, admit guilt or basically get caught." Two things usually happen, They are all the sudden very very Sorry for what they did and they all the sudden find Jesus.

Not saying he (Michael Vick) isnt those two things but it's almost text-book.

Yup.

[cajun]

Vick is done!

He was a sorry QB to boot...I admit, I liked watching him run around, but the world/NFL can live without this guy...

Ain't no team gonna waste money on this guy unless they make him a punt returner or something....

[HUM398]

What's going to be real interesting in 2009 or 2019 is what NFL team take a chance and signs him.

That team will know that there will be a lot of public "backlash" from many different groups and it might hurt their reputation.

It will be interesting.

PS. To Mad Fan, I already said it once but I'll say it again. I've noticed over the years that when people finally get "Busted, admit guilt or basically get caught." Two things usually happen, They are all the sudden very very Sorry for what they did and they all the sudden find Jesus.

Not saying he (Michael Vick) isnt those two things but it's almost text-book.

You're giving the guy way to much credit. The guy flicked off his own fans, do you honestly think he is going to do anything text-book?????

Sounded like an authentic apology to me... but it didnt matter, they guy is still going to do time...as he should. So, Apology was nice to those that were offended and upset about his actions... he didnt blame his child hood, or his daddy for the way he treated Milo when he was a wee lad....He took 100% accountability....Text book or not....Its tough to do.

[dada]

Depends if the player lies about it, let's it dominate the headlines for an entire summer, admits his guilt at the last minute & only apologizes after the fact. The manner Vick chose to handle his situation :Censor: ed him as much as the actual crime. That's the sad state of the whole matter.

If I'm a white woman...I'm pissed right about now. Miss Kitty you better be nice to me because over the years I've learned that I can kill you (OJ) and walk.....**** you (Kobe) and walk.....get drunk, run you over and kill you(Leonard Little) and walk..the way I look at it....as long as I don't injure any dogs....I'm good!....Oh...if for some reason I HAVE to kill a dog...all I have to do is be "humane" and give it an injection of lethal drugs under his paw.......What a great country!:D

[twcpfan1]

If I'm a white woman...I'm pissed right about now. Miss Kitty you better be nice to me because over the years I've learned that I can kill you (OJ) and walk.....**** you (Kobe) and walk.....get drunk, run you over and kill you(Leonard Little) and walk..the way I look at it....as long as I don't injure any dogs....I'm good!....Oh...if for some reason I HAVE to kill a dog...all I have to do is be "humane" and give it an injection of lethal drugs under his paw.......What a great country!:D

Actually in Kobe's case, he was afforded Charter flights so he can get to a playoff game straight from the courthouse.

[mad_fan]

If I'm a white woman...I'm pissed right about now. Miss Kitty you better be nice to me because over the years I've learned that I can kill you (OJ) and walk.....**** you (Kobe) and walk.....get drunk, run you over and kill you(Leonard Little) and walk..the way I look at it....as long as I don't injure any dogs....I'm good!....Oh...if for some reason I HAVE to kill a dog...all I have to do is be "humane" and give it an injection of lethal drugs under his paw.......What a great country!:D

You're barking up the wrong tree...:D

[mad_fan]

Actually in Kobe's case, he was afforded Charter flights so he can get to a playoff game straight from the courthouse.

Yeah, those jocks are ALWAYS getting the shaft...especially the black ones...

[Crank_It]

Allow Stephen A. to chime in.

On the surface, YOU would be CO-RRECT! HOW-EVAH, there's a little thing TO-DAY known as the shock jock! I am the very def-i-nition! My man Ear-vin Ma-gic John-son has CHAR-IS-MA! A million-dollah smile! It's not a-bout bein able to SPEAK! It's about lovin the camera and the camera lovin you BACK! I am NOT Av-ery John-son! Magic is NOT Av-ery John-son!

this was single-handedly the greatest thing ive ever read in my life.